well after searching high and low i finally found some DE blades that were not wilk whites. so guess where i found them... well you should know already... Buck or two (a cheap stuff store) and guess what... they were a buck! so since i needed blades i bought 7 packs (due to needing a $7 min purchase) and so later this night i loaded up with these "super-max platinum" and noticed them being much closer and smoother than my $6/pack-o-5 Wilkinson whites. less irritation and only a few weepers. (WS's usually give my 6-9) so needless to say im impressed with them. now lets see how they hold up against derby's and feathers when i get them later this week.