My Guess... 3017

kevdogg329 said:

I am bored with the Palmolive now.

Getting predictable shaves from it. I only needed stypic yesterday due to switching to an Astra SP from my Personna Reds in my slim.

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Use more stick... and it will work!

I am going to start a breakout thread for the "costs per shave" that has been so fascinating to read here. You gents that have already posted please copy your posts over to it.

Here it is_ http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showth...ed-from-the-3017-thread?p=6884278#post6884278

Jarick said:

I'll be honest, I'm getting pretty bored with the Maca Root. It shaves well, but I probably have another 6-8 weeks of the same thing over and over again. I might take a break.

I calculate my shaves by start and end dates, which gives me number of days, plus or minus any additional lathers or skipped days.

Started	Finished	Days	Prev	Shaves	Brand	Price	Grams	G/Shv	$/Gr	$/Shv
8/12/2013	9/16/2013	36	10	46	Van der Hagen Luxury	$5	100	2.2	0.05	0.11
9/17/2014	11/5/2014	50	0	50	Palmolive Shave Stick	$2	50	1.0	0.04	0.04
11/24/2013	12/23/2013	30	7	37	Van der Hagen Deluxe	$3	50	1.4	0.06	0.08
7/30/2014	8/20/2014	22	14	36	RazoRock XXX	$10	125	3.5	0.08	0.28
8/22/2014	9/3/2014	13	8	21	Coates Lime	$5	50	2.4	0.10	0.24
9/4/2014	9/12/2014	9	10	19	Cella	$3	50	2.6	0.06	0.16
9/13/2014	9/30/2014	18	2	20	Tabac (paused)	$4	50	2.5	0.08	0.20
10/1/2014	10/18/2014	18	2	20	SCS Pumpkin	$7	85	4.3	0.08	0.35
10/19/2014	10/25/2014	6	25	31	Tabac (finished)	$4	50	1.6	0.08	0.13

Highest cost per shave were SCS Pumpkin, a soft and crumbly soap, and RazoRock XXX, another soft soap.

Lowest cost per shave were Palmolive shave stick and VDH Deluxe, both really cheap soaps.

One of the hardest soaps I've used, Pre de Provence, will probably last about 90 lathers at 150 grams, which is about 16 cents per shave. Tabac is around 13 cents per shave, but highly estimated.

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Is your calculation of the soaps based on the weights on the containers or did you have a chance to pre-weight them before using? I find that some that say 125ml, only contain 90-100g of soap and some of the hard pucks that say 100g are actually 110g etc. It only changes things a few cents here or there, but does make a difference

FYI....my PdP numbers were/are pretty much exact as yours.

brucered said:

Is your calculation of the soaps based on the weights on the containers or did you have a chance to pre-weight them before using? I find that some that say 125ml, only contain 90-100g of soap and some of the hard pucks that say 100g are actually 110g etc. It only changes things a few cents here or there, but does make a difference

FYI....my PdP numbers were/are pretty much exact as yours.

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I don't have a scale so it's purely guesses based on their weights. To make it worse, I was guessing to see how much was remaining after being used, like Tabac.

Something I was thinking...if you made a really easy to lather soap that used up a lot of product per shave and then sold it in really big quantities, it might seem like a really attractive option. Kind of like MdC. I don't know what the typical usage is, but I'm guessing that people might underestimate how much they are loading because there's so much of it.

My experience with SCS, I burned through 85 grams in three weeks. If they sold a 200 gram soap for $20 that you could lather super easily and would last 2+ months, would that be more attractive to the customer?

Like MdC...if I used 1 gram per shave, it would be roughly 43 cents per shave. But I'd bet I used closer to 2 grams per shave, which would be 86 cents per shave. SCS looks like a bargain compared to that.

Had another great shave today with Arko Velva. Probably about a week left, but I'm in no real hurry. I decided to face lather for a change today and enjoyed it. As with the previous 2 sticks I used (Valobra and Speick), I find that I can easily switch between face lathering and bowl lathering, switch between brushes, lather methods, and razors with no real change in performance. It's a pleasure to use these soaps that are so easy to lather.

On another note, something that I found interesting: When doing the tables for Jim's spin-off thread, I realized that my total average soap use for the last ten soaps is 2.0 grams per day. Which is pretty consistent with the first 9 soaps that I gave the 3017 treatment to. In my first round of 3017, I used 2.1 grams per day. So, if nothing else, it looks like I've figured out how much soap I need to load for good lather.

Cosmos Mariner said:

Making it through a whole Arko stick next year is going to be brutal.

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It's why I am thinking of slicing it and infusing with aqua velva, brut, drakkar nor, and possibly clubman.

Rotate between the 4

Thoroughly enjoying my November choice of soap: Mitchell's. The ideal brush for the job? The small but mighty Plisson synthetic. By far the best performer in the MWF lather category. Super thick, rich, creamy, slick lather with ease. The Fat is my favorite scented soap out there. So clean and simple <3

My mini-3017 is going fine. Thanks for letting me pretend to be part of the club even though these are tiny samples. When I get to my Stirling and B&M samples in December it will be more 'legit' because I will have a measurable amount and will take a few weeks for each. My last B&M sample gave me 14 shaves which is 4 weeks of shaves at my schedule.

Should I be listing dates that I shave, or show no interruption? See how below I have a gap because I only shave every other day:

RazoRock XXX (s) 11/17 - 11/24
TOBS Avocado (s) 11/26 - 11/26

Thought about straying from the Maca Root cream, but didn't. Ended up "breaking through" the bottom of the jar. Now, there's still a ton of product left on the sides, but I wouldn't be surprised if the cream doesn't last until 2015. I might be using a bit too much product as I've been lazy and dipped my giant brushes into the super soft cream, as opposed to a harder cream or soft soap.

Jarick said:

Thought about straying from the Maca Root cream, but didn't. Ended up "breaking through" the bottom of the jar. Now, there's still a ton of product left on the sides, but I wouldn't be surprised if the cream doesn't last until 2015. I might be using a bit too much product as I've been lazy and dipped my giant brushes into the super soft cream, as opposed to a harder cream or soft soap.

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Maca root is a fantastic cream IMO. Back when I did not follow the 3017 approach I would use it whenever I used aggressive razors. It is one of the most slick creams I have used.

I still have plenty left. But it'll be a long time before I give it the 3017 treatment.

Just finished a tub of tabac soap. Wasn't planning to 3017 it but I moved recently and ended up just using it exclusively. Great soap and the scent doesn't bother me at all. Cleaned out the tub and shoved a puck of MWF in there so I guess that's up next.

Week 4 of Strop Shoppe Bay Rum. What an awesome soap! I was pointed to the perfect aftershave for it in another thread here on B&B -- Crown Shaving tonic. I'd never heard of it before, but it was recommended as a good match and it really is a great combo. If you're a fan of the scent of the strop shoppe bay rum (or mystic water which is similar to the SS but is a bit different) that's one you need to check out. It doesn't look to be quite at its halfway point but it's pretty close. We all know the 2nd half goes faster as the soap is hydrated so I think about Christmas is a good call for how long it'll last (it was started November 1).

I bowl lathered for the first time in a long time today. I got my Dottie bowl out and whipped up a mountain of lather with my Savile Row 3824. Still prefer face lathering but it's fun to switch it up. I've asked Mrs. Claus for a G20 scuttle for Christmas this year so hopefully I'll be playing around with bowl lathering more in the new year.

So far I'm really enjoying my first Strop Shoppe 3017. That's good because I have like 6 more scents in the cupboard I need to work through. I think they're particularly good for my skin type. My complexion is as good as it's been in years.

Gig103 said:

My mini-3017 is going fine. Thanks for letting me pretend to be part of the club even though these are tiny samples. When I get to my Stirling and B&M samples in December it will be more 'legit' because I will have a measurable amount and will take a few weeks for each. My last B&M sample gave me 14 shaves which is 4 weeks of shaves at my schedule.

Should I be listing dates that I shave, or show no interruption? See how below I have a gap because I only shave every other day:

RazoRock XXX (s) 11/17 - 11/24
TOBS Avocado (s) 11/26 - 11/26

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You're not pretending, you're living the dream! I will sometimes use some other products in the middle of using up another, and I just list the dates from when I started a soap until I finished it. For my SCS New Spice, I broke in some brushes with a variety of products over a few weeks in the middle, and listed my finish date of the New Spice as if there were no interruption.

I had to demote the Wilkinson blue bowl to shower duty. Mediocre shaves. Not the slickest soap. I almost feel like I failed, not using it to "the bottom of the bowl", but on the other hand, I have no desire to be a shaving martyr, either. I think the desire to enjoy my shaves won out.
I pressed a sample of Mikes Bay Rum into the bottom a shaving mug. Much nicer shave today.
I have a bunch of samples I will be 3017ing, in no particular order: Mikes Lime, Mugso Original, Spiced Citrus, Orange Amber, B&M Leviathan, Maggards London Barbershop and Limes and Bergamot, Strop Shoppe Black Tie and Date Night, and LASS Spring Street. I think these samples will take me into 2015, then I will resume my full sized 3017ing.

05-29-2014 to 06-29-2014: Mikes Barbershop
06-30-2014 to 10-03-2014: Mitchell's Wool Fat
10-04-2014 to 10-31-2014: Coates Cream Almond
11-01-2014 to 11-10-2014: Classic Shaving Rose- binned due to irritation
11-12-2014 to 11-25-2014: Wilkinson Blue Bowl-binned, mediocre shaves
11-26-2014 to ??-??-????: Samples

Stone Cottage Soapworks Pumpkin will be gone tomorrow....


SCS Mochaccino 4 oz round next up


10.01.2012 to 10.25.2012 - SCS Pumpkin....will replace
10.26.2012 to 01.30.2013 - SCS Sandlewood....( Huge puck from Sue auctions) will replace
02.01.2013 to 03.16.2013 - Klar Siefient....
03.17.2013 to 03.24.2013 - Vintage Yardley....(just a small amount, Thanks Rudy) Damn I wish could replace this
03.25.2013 to 04.05.2013 - Klar Siefient....will not replace
04.06.2013 to 05.06.2013 - Vintage Colgate....Wished I could replace
05.07.2013 to 05.25.2013 - LaToja Manantiales....I would replace if I could.. I do have 1 more puck
05.26.2013 to 05.29.2013 - Sample SCS Mochaccino....Will most definitely buy
05.30.2013 to 05.31.2013 - Sample Provence Sante cream....Will Not Buy
06.01.2013 to 06.09.2013 - SCS Bay Rum with a twist.... Will Replace
06.10.2013 to 06.21.2013 - SCS Lime.... Will Replace
06.22.2013 to 07.03.2013 - SCS Oak Moss Lavendula....Maybe Replace
07.04.2013 to 07.19.2013 - SCS Coconut....Must Replace
07.20.2013 to 08.12.2013 - SCS Moss Lime... Not a lover
08.13.2013 to 09.04.2013 - SCS Mochaccino... A must replace
09.05.2013 to 09.22.2013 - SCS Bulgarian Lavendar... meh scent... ?
09.23.2013 to 09.27.2013 - Godrej Cream... Okay stuff.... not replace
09.28.2013 to 10.21.2013 - SCS Pumpkin First Puck Excellent should be on everybodies list!!
10.22.2013 to 11.20.2013 - SCS Pumpkin Second Puck
11.21.2013 to 12.15.2013 - Partial Latoja Manantiales
12.16.2013 to 01.24.2014 - SCS Sandlewood....A must replace
01.25.2014 to 03.06.2014 - SCS Mochaccino....A must replace
03.07.2014 to 04.08.2014 - SCS Coconut....A must replace
04.09.2014 to 05.05.2014 - SCS Fairway....A must replace
05.06.2014 to 06.14.2014 - SCS New Spice about 6 more shaves in it
06.15.2014 to 06.21.2014 - Stone Cottage Soap Premium Shave Cream..... Good stuff !!!!!!
06.21.2014 to 06.25.2014 - SCS New Spice... Will Replace
06.26.2014 to 07.13.2014 - SCS Lime
07.14.2014 to 07.18.2014 - Stone Cottage Soap Premium Shave Cream
07.19.2014 to 08.02.2014 - SCS Lime....Will replace
08.03.2014 to 08.16.2014 - SCS Refined plus Menthol.... Will Replace
08.17.2014 to 09.30.2014 - Stone Cottage Soapworks Coconut Holiday/ Fougere... Will Replace
10.01.2014 to 10.31.2014 - SCS Pumpkin !!...Fantastic !!!!
11.01.2014 to 11.27.2014 - Stone Cottage Soap Premium Shave Cream Pumpkin.. Will Replace
11.28.2014 to 00.00.2014 - SCS Mochaccino






00.00.2015 to 00.00.2015 - SCS
00.00.2015 to 00.00.2015 - SCS
00.00.2015 to 00.00.2015 - SCS
00.00.2015 to 00.00.2015 - SCS

Brian, have all your SCS soaps been Stone Cottage or St Charles Shave?

redrider_99 said:

Brian, have all your SCS soaps been Stone Cottage or St Charles Shave?

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Yes.

jzuzphreek said:

Yes.

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How youse doing Brian ?

Week 4 of purple haze. The last few days I have been working over my TOBS Lavender cream with a SOG boar. Just dunking that big boar right into the cream and loading it like I hate it. Broke thru to the bottom this morning, the SOG is really doing some damage. I'm thinking 4 or 5 shaves left at most.

brianw said:

How youse doing Brian ?

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Don't youse know, Brian?