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Can you 3017 pros recommend me a brush that will absolutely kill soaps?
Boars, chubby's, dense and short lofted etc. I could kill a soap with any brush with any loft, but that is not my goal or intent.

3017ing isn't about wasting product, it's about using it and getting to know it from start to finish.
 
Semogue SOC boar.

Did half a pass with the KMF then added some AOS because the lather sucked, then tossed the KMF.

I'm going to use my three AOS cream samples, unscented, lavender, and sandalwood. Not wasting my time with crappy lather.
 
Going through samples lately has really brought out the "life's too short" outlook. Red Leaf is a fine soap, but I've used enough excellent products now that fine isn't good enough. The rest of the Wasabi square will be used as a preshave face soap. I'll be using a few Mike's samples next.
 
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Think I took load it like you hate it a bit too far!! Wasn't expecting to go through the whole remained in 2 shaves! I stretched out this morning to a 4 pass to enjoy the last pit of my Proraso.
 
Can you 3017 pros recommend me a brush that will absolutely kill soaps?

Boars, chubby's, dense and short lofted etc. I could kill a soap with any brush with any loft, but that is not my goal or intent.

3017ing isn't about wasting product, it's about using it and getting to know it from start to finish.

Yip, don't aim to waste product. But, we do often end up using a lot of product and quickly, it just happens to provide better shaves when you load like there's a prize hidden beneath the puck.

A bigger brush like a Simpson's Chubby 2 or 3 will do the job. A 24-26mm Shavemac fan in D01 will make short work of soap too.

I agree, the bigger the knot size the better. If you can get into the 24mm - 26mm range you will pick up a lot of product effortlessly. If you can get up to the 30mm range soaps will cower before you. Shorter lofts/more backbone help too. So, a 26mm with soft hair and a 56mm loft won't be as good as a 26mm with plenty of backbone set at 48mm. In this thread, the Simpson Eagle has a special reputation for drilling through soaps.



Edit: Also!!!

It's always a puck. If you think there are times when it's not a puck, you aren't watching enough hockey. The last time someone droned on about cakes, we sent her to the guillotine. So, as is usually good advice, and is especially applicable here, focus more on hockey and less on cake then everything will be okay:lol:
 
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Yip, don't aim to waste product. But, we do often end up using a lot of product and quickly, it just happens to provide better shaves when you load like there's a prize hidden beneath the puck.



I agree, the bigger the knot size the better. If you can get into the 24mm - 26mm range you will pick up a lot of product effortlessly. If you can get up to the 30mm range soaps will cower before you. Shorter lofts/more backbone help too. So, a 26mm with soft hair and a 56mm loft won't be as good as a 26mm with plenty of backbone set at 48mm. In this thread, the Simpson Eagle has a special reputation for drilling through soaps.



Edit: Also!!!

It's always a puck. If you think there are times when it's not a puck, you aren't watching enough hockey. The last time someone droned on about cakes, we sent her to the guillotine. So, as is usually good advice, and is especially applicable here, focus more on hockey and less on cake then everything will be okay:lol:

First off, excuse my english. Not my native language.
I like my lather to be thick, creamy and top performing from pass 1-3, when i don't load enough the lather can be really good for pass 1-2 and barely anything left for the last pass. But usually when i am done it is lather left for another 2 passes in the brush, IMO it's not waste. Just me making sure i have the best lather for my passes.

I have lots of brushes,
6-8 semogue
1 FS finest
Simpsons Duke 3, Colonel, Commodore X3 ( I have sold the duke and commodore)
2 Omega
etc

My favourites is Colonel, Mistura, 620 and the FS finest but when i read how many shaves some of you guys get from a puck is amazing. None of my brushes is a soapkiller IMO
My pucks last at least twice, that is why i wondered about a new soapkilling brush.
To be honest i have WAY to many soaps (25-30) and need to kill some of them since i want to buy some new ones to try.

If i did not like the Duke 3 how do you think i will feel about the Chubby 2?
The Duke was a true lather hog, just a tiny bit floppy and scritchy as hell!!
None of my boars have been that scritchy ever, not even as new before breaking in.
 
If i did not like the Duke 3 how do you think i will feel about the Chubby 2?

No idea, I've never owned either one.

There is also the type of soap that counts as a factor. Being in Sweden, you may not come across some of the American artisan soaps as often as we do here in North America. Those are often a bit softer and end up being used up quickly because of that. Some are slow to make lather and end up getting used up quickly because of that. Other soaps that tend to be burned through at a quick pace are the Italian soft soaps, again because they are a bit softer.

If, in Sweden, you tend to get mostly German hard soaps, English triple milled soaps, Musgo, etc., then you are pretty much always shaving with the soaps that take the longest to finish. These also happen to be some of the best soaps, so that's a good thing, it might just make you think you are going through soap more slowly than others when you actually aren't. If you want to get a gauge on how quickly you would go through a softer soap, try to find an Italian soft soap in your collection or maybe pick up some Proraso soap (the soap in 147g containers not the cream, it should be available in Sweden).
 
If i did not like the Duke 3 how do you think i will feel about the Chubby 2?
The Duke was a true lather hog, just a tiny bit floppy and scritchy as hell!!
None of my boars have been that scritchy ever, not even as new before breaking in.

I've owned a D3 and it was a good brush...but I'd say if you didn't like it, you won't like a Chubby. It's my understanding they are even denser and if you didn't like the hair in the D3 (best?), it will likely have similar qualities in the Chubby. The Chubby should be denser, not as floppy though.

Two shaves into my RR Mudder Focker and I love it right out of the gate. Easy to lather, slick lather, no issues so far. It has given me better shaves then the CF was giving me in the end. I had a few sub-par shaves with CF throughout the month, the odd day with irritation and chalked it up to the shave/blade/razor, but maybe it was the lather...hard to tell for sure.

I'm not sure how much cheaper it is for me then some other soaps. Many claim they are dirt cheap, but if I price it out and get 30 shaves from a $10-13usd tub (plus 12% tax for Canadians as well as exchange, so $13-16 cad a tub), it's not as cheap as some think for the 30 shaves that some of us get from it. Don't get me wrong, it's not expensive and the shaves are amazing so I'm good with it.

Now if you can get 60-90 shaves out of it, that's another story.
 
After 54 shaves I can't quite see the bottom of the Prorasso green but there is a dark spot and I expect there to be a hole in the next day or two. I then need to figure out what I will use that will be finished on the last day of Jan so I can start my MdC for Feb.

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Ruckin

2014.05.31 - 2014.07.09 (40) Edwin Jagger Sandlewood Shaving Cream (100ml)
2014.07.10 - 2014.09.03 (56) RazoRock XXX (125ml)
2014.09.04 - xxxx.xx.xx (54) Proraso Shaving Cream Soap Menthol and Eucalyptus (150g)
 
AOS lavender cream was okay this morning. For some reason it was really foamy, not creamy at all. Not sure if it was my brush getting too much air in the mix. Added water, added cream, still okay, not great. Tomorrow I'll try again.

7/30/2014 to 8/20/2014: RazoRock XXX
8/22/2014 to 9/3/2014: Coates Lime
9/4/2014 to 9/12/2014: Cella
9/13/2014 to 9/30/2014: Tabac (paused)
10/1/2014 to 10/18/2014: SCS Pumpkin
10/19/2014 to 10/25/2014: Tabac
10/27/2014 to ???: Art of Shaving Samples
 
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First off, excuse my english. Not my native language.
I like my lather to be thick, creamy and top performing from pass 1-3, when i don't load enough the lather can be really good for pass 1-2 and barely anything left for the last pass. But usually when i am done it is lather left for another 2 passes in the brush, IMO it's not waste. Just me making sure i have the best lather for my passes.

I have lots of brushes,
6-8 semogue
1 FS finest
Simpsons Duke 3, Colonel, Commodore X3 ( I have sold the duke and commodore)
2 Omega
etc

My favourites is Colonel, Mistura, 620 and the FS finest but when i read how many shaves some of you guys get from a puck is amazing. None of my brushes is a soapkiller IMO
My pucks last at least twice, that is why i wondered about a new soapkilling brush.
To be honest i have WAY to many soaps (25-30) and need to kill some of them since i want to buy some new ones to try.

If i did not like the Duke 3 how do you think i will feel about the Chubby 2?
The Duke was a true lather hog, just a tiny bit floppy and scritchy as hell!!
None of my boars have been that scritchy ever, not even as new before breaking in.

I'm thinking you should go with a Whipped Dog 30 mm boar. Should mow through soaps and give you the soft tips you want.

For my 3017 update, still going strong on the RR KOTC Lime hard soap. Have use about a 1/3 of an inch of the soap. Seems to be going far more quickly. Keep on 3017ing my friends.
 
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No idea, I've never owned either one.

There is also the type of soap that counts as a factor. Being in Sweden, you may not come across some of the American artisan soaps as often as we do here in North America. Those are often a bit softer and end up being used up quickly because of that. Some are slow to make lather and end up getting used up quickly because of that. Other soaps that tend to be burned through at a quick pace are the Italian soft soaps, again because they are a bit softer.

If, in Sweden, you tend to get mostly German hard soaps, English triple milled soaps, Musgo, etc., then you are pretty much always shaving with the soaps that take the longest to finish. These also happen to be some of the best soaps, so that's a good thing, it might just make you think you are going through soap more slowly than others when you actually aren't. If you want to get a gauge on how quickly you would go through a softer soap, try to find an Italian soft soap in your collection or maybe pick up some Proraso soap (the soap in 147g containers not the cream, it should be available in Sweden).

Thanks for the answers guys!

I have soaps/creams from all over the world,
Mikes
RR
HTGAM
Tabac
CF
L'occitane
Stirling
TOBS
Proraso
Cella
MWF
etc etc

They all last me a VERY long time, the tabac has been in my rotation for 2 years and i am finally starting to se the end of it now when i have joined Tabactober.
 
I've owned a D3 and it was a good brush...but I'd say if you didn't like it, you won't like a Chubby. It's my understanding they are even denser and if you didn't like the hair in the D3 (best?), it will likely have similar qualities in the Chubby. The Chubby should be denser, not as floppy though.
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Maybe i will pick one up from the BST.
My colonels best hair felt like something totally different from the Duke, they are firm but yet soft tips.
What brushes do you use for killing the soaps like you do?

Has anyone used the Tubby 2 from New forest? How does it compare to the Chubby 2?
 
What brushes do you use for killing the soaps like you do?

Has anyone used the Tubby 2 from New forest? How does it compare to the Chubby 2?

I use a variety...no particular soap killer I reach for.

As for the NF brushes, I'd research and make an informed decision before purchasing.
 
Thanks for the answers guys!

I have soaps/creams from all over the world,
Mikes
RR
HTGAM
Tabac
CF
L'occitane
Stirling
TOBS
Proraso
Cella
MWF
etc etc

They all last me a VERY long time, the tabac has been in my rotation for 2 years and i am finally starting to se the end of it now when i have joined Tabactober.

If your soaps give you the lather you want and you get a longer life than some of the posters in this thread, then consider that a good thing. I think some of the people here are anomalies and their ability to destroy soaps should not be considered something to which one should aspire, more of a perverse spectacle and cautionary tale about the perils of lather porn addiction :lol:

Seriously though, rather than doing a rotation, stick with one soap start to finish and you'll get more of a measurable sense of progress. I've done the rotation thing for a long time and you never seem to be able to finish anything off - your cabinet piles up with shaving products and you never have a sense of accomplishment.

For the record, I have a Shavemac 3-band D01, Rooney 3/1 best badger, Omega pure badger, Omega Colors boar, and Semogue SOC. Lately it's been all boar, all the time, alternating between the Omega and Semogue.
 
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