Well ... the other day I did my first attempt at a four pass shave, it went ok. I cut myself up pretty good. Not too bad though ... but I did learn what Im going to try in future shaves to build my own routine ... Im going to adapt the N-S pass, and the halves of the "V" on the other two passes on my cheek all the while maintaining a N-S On my neck ... That seems to be the best for my neck.