UFC 100, Pick you fighters....

[Sullybob]

UFC 100 is tomorrow. Here are my predictions.

Brock Lesnar Vs. Frank Mir
I want Mir to win but I don't think that Bock is going to go to the ground with him this time. I think the canned hams are going to Ko/TKO Mir.

Georges St-Pierre Vs. Thiago Alves
GSP takes it. Foot work, timing, wrestling and BJJ are all in his favor. Alves is bigger and may very well be stronger and a better striker then GSP but I don't think he has as well rounded of a game as GSP.

Jon Fitch Vs. Paulo Thiago
I am not very familiar with Thiago but I am with Fitch. Fitch takes it by sheer toughness.

Dan Henderson Vs. Michael Bisping
This could go either way, I'm not really a fan of either fighter but I am starting to like Bisping more and more. If Bisping plays it safe and can avoid Dan's right hand and his GnP then he will probably win. I think that Bisping is faster then Dan and if he employs a strategy like he did against Chris Leben then Dan could be in for a frustrating fight. If Dan can take Bisping down and keep him down then Bisping is in for a rough night. I think Bisping takes it.


What are your predictions?

[JBLAZE725]

UFC 100 is tomorrow. Here are my predictions.

Brock Lesnar Vs. Frank Mir
I want Mir to win but I don't think that Bock is going to go to the ground with him this time. I think the canned hams are going to Ko/TKO Mir.

Georges St-Pierre Vs. Thiago Alves
GSP takes it. Foot work, timing, wrestling and BJJ are all in his favor. Alves is bigger and may very well be stronger and a better striker then GSP but I don't think he has as well rounded of a game as GSP.

Jon Fitch Vs. Paulo Thiago
I am not very familiar with Thiago but I am with Fitch. Fitch takes it by sheer toughness.

Dan Henderson Vs. Michael Bisping
This could go either way, I'm not really a fan of either fighter but I am starting to like Bisping more and more. If Bisping plays it safe and can avoid Dan's right hand and his GnP then he will probably win. I think that Bisping is faster then Dan and if he employs a strategy like he did against Chris Leben then Dan could be in for a frustrating fight. If Dan can take Bisping down and keep him down then Bisping is in for a rough night. I think Bisping takes it.


What are your predictions?

I agree on all fights except the first. I want Lesnar to win, but believe Mir's BJJ will prevail again. Also on the Bisping Henderson fight I want Henderson to win, but agree with your breakdown of the fight for the most part.

[Kratos]

Bisping is a loudmouth with a bad attitude. He needs to lose a fight. Get his head right. I think Lesnar may have learned a few things from the last fight. We will see. GSP and Alves should be a good bout.

[greenerock]

Will there be a website so we can watch it tomorrow? The last fights had some link to watch them.:001_smile

[thunder54]

I want Mir to win, but I want to see how much Lesnar has learned since the first fight.

GSP should win.

I watched an old fight of Fitch's yesterday and I feel he will win.

I want Henderson to win. After having officiated some of his matches in wrestling and being at the 96 Olympics he is my favorite. Really have gotten kind of tired of Bisping.

[The Nid Hog]

I'm not going to go with my heart anymore. I'm going to pick Lesnar over Mir (although I want Mir to win) and St-Pierre over Alves (although I want Alves to win). I think Fitch is likely to come out on top, and I'm OK with that. I do want to see Henderson thrash Bisping. "The Count"--bah!

[Sean]

Mir v Lesnar: Lesnar takes it. He's gonna go Donkey Kong on Mir. He's going to take him down and mash him with hammer fists and knees.

GSP v. Alves: GSP wins a hard fought battle I think. He's too technically superior in too many aspects. Alves has a 'punchers/grapplers' chance and is HUGE for that weight, which doesnt really happen often to GSP.

Hendo v. Bisping: Henderon is going to knock Bisping down and wear him out on the mat. I don't think Bisping has any of the skills to handle Henderson on the ground.

Thiago v Fitch: This is going to the ground and it'll probably stay there for the majority, grappler (thiago) vs. smasher (fitch) I think Fitch will defend the submissions and pput a vicious beating on Thiago for the win.

[perry]

I'm not a big UFC fan, have been to a couple this year at a buddy's house. But, ever since I saw the preview for Brock Lesner several months ago, I've been looking forward to seeing the fight tonight. The guy is the size of a main battle tank. I honestly have no clue if he has a chance or not, I just want to see him fight!

[Sean]

Lesnar does have a chance, he nearly finished Mir in their first fight but got screwed by the ref (yes, I thought the back oif the head call was bad) and ended up getting caught with a knee bar submission.

It's pretty much a strength vs technique battle. Except this time Lesnar has another year of training and 2 more fights under his belt. He's seen more slick grappling from his training camp as well. And Mir is looking better than he did leading up to their previous battle.

I'm curious how the fight goes on their feet. Will Lesnar respect Mir's grappling and avoid take downs? Or wait for a good shot anyway. Or will he try to box him? They both have drastically improved boxing.

Lesnar can also wear him out by mauling him into the cage.

[Kratos]

I would give the edge in conditioning to Lesnar, despite the size differential. Mir has admitted he hates cardio, and that won't work in his favor. If it goes the distance I'd have to give the advantage to Lesnar.

[ouch]

Lesnar has a score to settle. Don't forget how easily he took <ir down in the first fight, seemingly at will, and that Mir was in a precarious position before the ref made them stand up due to rabbit punches. Lesnar, crushingly.

GSP is one of most well rounded and proficient fighters the sport has produced, but Alves is hard headed and hungry. Alves in a surprise, by TKO.

Bisping will goad Henderson into exchanges, but but eventually be worn down. Henderson by split decision.

[Sullybob]

Great answers.

The fight starts in 4 hours 40 minutes for me.

[greenerock]

So no one knows a website to watch it in the morning? I can't afford the pay-per-view.

[Sean]

Find video of the end of the Henderson vs. Bisping fight.

HOLY CRAP!

I'm not wanting to give it away, but I nearly jumped across my living room.

[Sean]

Next is the Alves/St Pierre fight.

Alves is a HUGE guy for that weight. He's a sledgehammer in a ball-peen weight class, lol,.

He absolutely has a punchers chance. And Kickers chance.

Still picking GSP.

[ouch]

And GSP it is. Too many takedowns to count.

[wakeboarder4402]

I can't belive Lesnar won, that guy is such a douche.

[The Nid Hog]

I can't belive Lesnar won, that guy is such a douche.

Yeah, I'm not looking forward to the next several years of having to watch this guy every couple of UFCs. Maybe he'll have a spat with Zuffa and go sign with Affliction. And take The Beautiful Sable with him.

[The Fish]

Bah. I really think Lesnar is everything the UFC does NOT need to be. Foul-mouthed, trash-talking, unsportsmanlike gorilla who can win simply by laying on his opponents and slamming down his giant hamfists. He's like a more athletic Tank Abbott. All of the most popular UFC fighters are humble and respectful, he has said that he has no respect for anyone he fights. Get him out of the sport.

I was absolutely thrilled with the Henderson fight. The end of that fight was just BRUTAL. I couldn't have been happier with the result. At least one trash-talker got what was coming to him.

I have to admit I was a little worried about the GSP fight just because Alves is so huge for the 170 class, but Rush proved again that there is just no one who can defend against his takedowns. Every fight I'm just amazed by his instincts and power. I think he may be the only fighter who could give Silva a legitimate challenge.

[stripec30]

I was looking at the salaries and Lesner got 400k to show while Mir got 40k--looks like he'll be moving over to the WEC full time... It's funny how Joe Rogan looked kind of nervous in that post-fight interview... talk about roid rage... wow.

The Alves/GSP fight was awesome. I've never liked Alves--he just reminds me of some pompus ass who got his hands on some HGH instead of cocaine. It's just amazing how the world-class fighters can pick apart challengers.

As far as the Henderson fight all I can say is ouch. Bisping's gonna be wearing a soft collar for a few weeks.

[thunderball]

Just watched it...great event. Hendo's added forearm smash to an unconscious Bisping will look pretty cool on the highlight reel but pretty unneccesary in my opinion, especially as he admitted he knew Bisping was already down for 'the count' :wink: (sorry couldn't resist). Lesnar is a monster for sure but I firmly believe that Fedor would destroy him were they ever to meet. GSP...well what can you say? Not many left in his division...time to move on up. :biggrin: I am also a big Akiyama fan but I'm not sure he really deserved the decision over Belcher...was close though and I was glad to see him get the win. He did look a bit small though...he would probably do much better fighting at 170 or so as he is very skilled and had he been the same size as Belcher I think he would have destroyed him. Just my 2 yen.

[ouch]

That's my man Brock- all class, all the time.

At least I picked two out of three, losing only my longshot Alves pick. Apparently, GSP was suffiently motivated. What a skill set he has.

Fighters don't have long careers, but it's amazing to think how far Matt Hughes has fallen. He's now just an opponent to prop up a rising star. I used to hate him when he was at his peak, but he comes across as far more dignified late in his career.

[Sullybob]

I wonder if Mir thought that making fun of Brock's WWE back ground and the other trash talking that went on was going to help him by purposely making Brock mad and cause him to make a mistake? I think the fake wrestler comments really set Brock off. That said, he really is a class act (that's sarcasim) GSP didn't talk trash about BJ when they fought the second time, but BJ sure talked a lot of trash about GSP.

I'll disagree with you about Matt Hughes, Ouch. After watching the countdown of the top 100 fights I still think he comes across as arrogant and cocky. He certainly is much more humble then he was when he was the champ though.

[Kratos]

It's only a matter of time before Lesnar gets his comeuppance. Just like his apparent role model Tank. Fedor would put him in his place I don't doubt. Even Rogan seemed to think he was a douchebag, and that's sayin' a lot. What I thought was stupid, was,"You avenged your ONE loss!" Please, he's had 5 fights! Start bragging on him when he's 12-1. As if he needed more hot air to swell his head.

[Leche]

Enjoyed the fights except for the Lesner/Mir fight. The Akiyama fight was good but he shouldn't have gotten the decision. Akiyama seems like a total class act and "A Time to Say Goodbye" was totally unique. A true respect for the sport. The Henderson fight was exciting but the salt in the wound punch at the end was uncalled for. Bisping had a beat down coming though. GSP I think will move up a weight class soon. GSP/Silva?:thumbup1: Alves was too one demensional and strictly out classed by GSP. I can't stand Lesnar. I really wanted Mir to win and had he not thrown that knee, well who knows. Lesnar brings that fake entertainment wrestling with him and I think he is incredibly boring. His career is going to be use his over bearing weight to lay on people and pound them out. If he was in the mid 200 range this guy would be a nobody in MMA.

[thunderball]

Enjoyed the fights except for the Lesner/Mir fight. The Akiyama fight was good but he shouldn't have gotten the decision. Akiyama seems like a total class act and "A Time to Say Goodbye" was totally unique. A true respect for the sport. The Henderson fight was exciting but the salt in the wound punch at the end was uncalled for. Bisping had a beat down coming though. GSP I think will move up a weight class soon. GSP/Silva?:thumbup1: Alves was too one demensional and strictly out classed by GSP. I can't stand Lesnar. I really wanted Mir to win and had he not thrown that knee, well who knows. Lesnar brings that fake entertainment wrestling with him and I think he is incredibly boring. His career is going to be use his over bearing weight to lay on people and pound them out. If he was in the mid 200 range this guy would be a nobody in MMA.

Good post. :biggrin: Sums up a lot of what I was thinking as well.

[Mejnoon]

Decent card overall. I hate Lesnar with a passion though...I can't wait for someone to embarass him.

[wakeboarder4402]

Decent card overall. I hate Lesnar with a passion though...I can't wait for someone to embarass him.

+1 :mad3:

[TimmyBoston]

Great event. I really expected more from Mir, he was totally dominated. Now Alves, I expected him to be dominated, but holy cow, GSP threw him around like a rag doll. He may just be the best pound for pound fighter in the world. If Silva loses to Forrest Griffin, that clinches GSP as the best in the world. And the Henderson knockout, that was one of the most powerful I've ever seen. Awesome!

[Sean]

Why is everyone happy Bisping got his come uppance for trash talking but not Mir for his? Lesnar barely said anything and Mir was constantly running his mouth, with that Matt hughes Cocky ***hole look on his face.

I;m not the biggest fan of Lesnar and he did go over the top, but Mir had that coming. "Talk ISH now!" that was great.

Reportedly Lesnar appologized to Dana, who apparently went bananas on him in the back room and said he felt embarassed. I hope he was sincere and tones it down some. He can be a monster if he stays in good graces.

[Kratos]

Why is everyone happy Bisping got his come uppance for trash talking but not Mir for his? Lesnar barely said anything and Mir was constantly running his mouth, with that Matt hughes Cocky ***hole look on his face.

I;m not the biggest fan of Lesnar and he did go over the top, but Mir had that coming. "Talk ISH now!" that was great.

Reportedly Lesnar appologized to Dana, who apparently went bananas on him in the back room and said he felt embarassed. I hope he was sincere and tones it down some. He can be a monster if he stays in good graces.

I think probably because Bisping talks a lot more trash and Lesnar's piss-poor attitude took most of the focus off of anything Mir said. He just made the sport look even worse, as if The Ultimate Fighter wasn't bad enough.

[The Fish]

I think everyone comes down harder on Lesnar because it didn't seem like it was just showmanship to him. After the fight, Mir had the class to say that Lesnar did a good job and he made too many mistakes. Most of the pre-fight banter that goes on is just to hype the fight, and the fighters actually hold a lot of respect for each other. Lesnar just came across like he took it all far too seriously. And flipping off the crowd? That was just childish.

[Mejnoon]

Great event. I really expected more from Mir, he was totally dominated. Now Alves, I expected him to be dominated, but holy cow, GSP threw him around like a rag doll. He may just be the best pound for pound fighter in the world. If Silva loses to Forrest Griffin, that clinches GSP as the best in the world. And the Henderson knockout, that was one of the most powerful I've ever seen. Awesome!

Ummm...Fedor?!?

[Sean]

Dan "Say HELLO to my Right Hand, Mr. Bisping!" Henderson

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[TimmyBoston]

Ummm...Fedor?!?

Fedor is going to have to face tougher competition to earn that title. IMO, he's the best heavyweight, but he's definitely not the best in the world pound for pound.

[Sean]

Fedor's fought top-5 HW's throughout his career, he belongs in the mix with Silva and GSP.

He's fighting Barnett, widely considered #2 in the world in a month or two. If he beats him, he has cleared out the non-UFC heavyweights I think. There's another guy in Affliction... Rogers... might be top-10.

But the rest of the big names are UFC, Lesnar, Noguiera, Couture, Maybe still Mir, Shane Carwin is in the mix

Only other guy not in UFC is Oveream, and he may be borderline top-10.

Bottom line, for Fedor to CEMENT his legacy, he has to figure out a way to do a deal with UFC for a few fights. The holdup is he wants big time money and only ONE fight contract. UFC wants 6 fight deal.

If they can do a 3 fighter, it could work.

If he and the UFC don't get a deal done, he will be martyred by the hardcore fans as the greatest HW EVER, but the casual fan will relegate him to the 'backwoods' not even knowing what Pride or Sambo are.

[TimmyBoston]

Dan "Say HELLO to my Right Hand, Mr. Bisping!" Henderson

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Thanks so much for posting this. I think I've watched it 50 times. :biggrin:

[The Nid Hog]

Some good fights on the card--UFC did a nice job of organizing this one. I'm not a huge Mir fan, but the Lesnar victory was a disappointment. Personally, I think that there's something wrong with a weight class when one of the fighters has to give up sixty pounds or so. I wouldn't pay to watch Anderson Silva fight Lord Littlebrook, and I think that Lesnar's dominance is a lot of hype. I don't mean that he's not a good athlete. He's fast and has a great wrestling background. He's certainly not a Bob Sapp. But his incredible size gives him a ridiculous advantage in a division that is far from the UFC's strongest. I don't think that his post-fight antics were at all surprising either. This is what Dana paid for--and the knuckle-dragging WWE goofball fans who buy the PPVs.

[Kratos]

Fedor's fought top-5 HW's throughout his career, he belongs in the mix with Silva and GSP.

He's fighting Barnett, widely considered #2 in the world in a month or two. If he beats him, he has cleared out the non-UFC heavyweights I think. There's another guy in Affliction... Rogers... might be top-10.

But the rest of the big names are UFC, Lesnar, Noguiera, Couture, Maybe still Mir, Shane Carwin is in the mix

Only other guy not in UFC is Oveream, and he may be borderline top-10.

Bottom line, for Fedor to CEMENT his legacy, he has to figure out a way to do a deal with UFC for a few fights. The holdup is he wants big time money and only ONE fight contract. UFC wants 6 fight deal.

If they can do a 3 fighter, it could work.

If he and the UFC don't get a deal done, he will be martyred by the hardcore fans as the greatest HW EVER, but the casual fan will relegate him to the 'backwoods' not even knowing what Pride or Sambo are.

Pride has always been superior to the UFC. Some of the top UFC fighters came from Pride, as a matter of fact. I'm surprised CroCop dis so poorly, though.


+1 on the knuckle-dragging. I guess he thinks he's still in the WWE.

[thunderball]

Anyone who has a look at Fedor's resume and doesn't think he's in the top couple PFP fighters in the world thinks much differently than me:

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Fedor-Emelianenko-1500

Who else even comes close to the number of wins over top competition?...almost all in the first round by complete domination.

[Mejnoon]

Fedor is going to have to face tougher competition to earn that title. IMO, he's the best heavyweight, but he's definitely not the best in the world pound for pound.

Who in the heavyweight division has fought tougher competition? Instead of listing off all the top 10 fighters he has destroyed, I'll list all the relevant heavyweights I can think of that he has yet to fight. Lets see...Barnett (coming up in a couple weeks)...Lesnar...maybe Couture? Who else is there? Mir? Gonzaga?

He's beaten 3 former UFC HW champs in his last 6 fights. And its not just that. Its the sheer consistency, the impenetrability...he has been fighting amongst the best in the world for 7 years and has not lost. With the exception of the chicken dance he did against Fujita, no one has really ever been close.

He outstrikes elite strikers. He outgrapples elite grapplers. He's faster and has better conditioning than EVERYBODY.

I think Fedor is absolutely #1 pfp. I don't think anyone else is even in contention. And I'd put Silva and GSP behind Miguel Torres and possibly Machida to be honest with you.

[wakeboarder4402]

Dan "Say HELLO to my Right Hand, Mr. Bisping!" Henderson

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Friggin Dan Henderson has a sledgehammer for a right hand!

[TimmyBoston]

He's beaten 3 former UFC HW champs in his last 6 fights.


Beating people years past their prime isn't that impressive as when they are at the top of their games. Look at Silvia's and Arlovski's most recent fights. They were jokes.

Fedor has to move to the UFC to be considered the best pound for pound fighter. Without that, he never will be considered it.

[Mejnoon]

Beating people years past their prime isn't that impressive as when they are at the top of their games. Look at Silvia's and Arlovski's most recent fights. They were jokes.

Fedor has to move to the UFC to be considered the best pound for pound fighter. Without that, he never will be considered it.

Years past their prime? Coleman maybe, but Sylvia and Arlovski were right in their primes. They were no worse when they fought Fedor than they were when they were champs...their reps may have been tarnished by losses, but they were every bit as good as they ever were if not better.

I'm afraid the majority of the mma world disagrees with you about Fedor's place on the pfp list. I just googled "mma pound for pound rankings"...these are the top five hits:

profighting-fans.com - fedor #1
mmaplayground.com - gsp #1, fedor #2
mmanews.com - fedor #1
nbcsports - fedor #1
mmaringreport.com - fedor #1

Who does the UFC have for him anyway? He's about to fight the guy widely regarded as #2 in the world at heavyweight outside the UFC. Lesnar is really the only compelling match up for Fedor in the UFC, and the only reason theres any question on that one is Brock's sheer size, strength and athleticism.

[TimmyBoston]

Years past their prime? Coleman maybe, but Sylvia and Arlovski were right in their primes. They were no worse when they fought Fedor than they were when they were champs...their reps may have been tarnished by losses, but they were every bit as good as they ever were if not better.



Google their most recent fights, that's what you consider prime? :rolleyes: Arlovski could still be in his prime, that one is at least debatable, but Tim Silvia? Come on!


Sherdog has him at 3. You forgot that one.


Fedor isn't good, he's great, he's the best heavyweight I've ever seen. By far. But he has yet to prove it in the US. And proving it is the only thing that matters, you can say anything you want, but he hasn't proved it, not yet. He's had two fights here. A decisive win against Barnett will show something as well, Barnett is very good. He may very well be the best pound for pound. But he is yet to prove it against the current best competition. Wins against Lesnar, Mir (he's still a good fighter despite his loss to Lesnar, he did dominate Big Nogiuera after all) Couture, Shane Carwin and Barnett (possible others) could cement him as the best ever to set foot in the ring, octogon, cage, etc. But it's just ridiculous to say he's the best ever when he's never fought in the largest and most prestigious fighting organization in the world today. Once he does that and if he wins he most likely will overtake Anderson Silva and GSP and reign supreme as the greatest ever.

The first rule of all combat sports, if you want to be the best, you have to beat the best. Fedor did that some years ago, but he hasn't done it in the sports current (and improved) climate and he must do it again now. Hopefully, he will sign with the UFC after the Barnett fight, I'd love to see what he can do.

[jiujitsuguy]

I ended up going 8-3 last night in my picks. I got the Mir, Bonnar and C.B fights wrong but nailed the rest. Brock is just a roid monkey...one that can back it up however. I'm looking forward to seeing Shane Carwin or Cain Velasquez fighting Brock. Brock is the reason why there needs to be another weight class to split up the heavy weight division. I mean Brock (or anyone for that matter) outweighing his opponents by 45-50 pounds by fight night is ridiculous! That's like Rampage fighting someone at LW. They wouldn't sanction that, would they?

I look forward to the day where Brock gets knocked out by someone with good striking. Maybe Alistair Overeem (I can dream, right?!).

[Kratos]

True. A 40-lb advantage is huge. Against someone his size with some ability, I'm not sure he'd fare as well. I'd like to see Fedor tear up the UFC. The heavyweight class has been mostly a joke for the past couple of years, although it has gotten better.

[jiujitsuguy]

True. A 40-lb advantage is huge. Against someone his size with some ability, I'm not sure he'd fare as well. I'd like to see Fedor tear up the UFC. The heavyweight class has been mostly a joke for the past couple of years, although it has gotten better.

I wish the CC of the 06 Grand Prix shows up to his fights and makes a run for the HW title. I read some where that he signed a 3 fight deal with the UFC so I'll keep my fingers crossed. A nice LHK to the dome might change Brocks attitude a tad :D.

I don't know why Frank was contempt to stay in the half guard. Mind you I've been doing jiujitsu and other martial arts (as you can tell by my screen name no doubt) for a few years now and no where as experienced as Frank but your options are limited in the half guard. Maybe he was worried it would get passed and Brock would have ended up in side control? Who knows.

You can tell the 40 pounds came into play when Brock just grabbed Mir's arm and pinned it to the ground. However Brock did admit to getting dazed by Mirs shots during the 2nd round so it will be interesting to see someone a little heavier and also has some good striking fight Brock.

The HW division was indeed a joke in the past and even right now continues to be a joke of sorts with some good fighters in the mix. I would love Fedor to come and fight in the UFC as well. I mean what fan wouldn't? Would pose for a lot of great match ups and some new blood into the mix. Dana said Fedor is coming to the UFC and is pretty much a matter of time...However how often have we mma fans heard that?

[The Nid Hog]

I'm looking forward to seeing Shane Carwin or Cain Velasquez fighting Brock.

Hmm...that's worth some thought. I don't think that Velasquez is anywhere near ready yet. I think that if he fights Lesnar the way he fought Kongo, he'll get hung out to dry. Carwin has some serious power too, but I kind of feel like he'll come up short. I guess well see what happens after their fight. That probably means that we won't see Lesnar fighting again until after the first of the year. That's fine with me.

[jiujitsuguy]

Shane Carwin would be the best match up in the HW division right now I would think. Shane is also a two-time NCAA Division II Wrestling National Runner-Up Heavyweight in 1996-7, and the NCAA II Wrestling Heavyweight National Champion in 1999. Not to mention none of his fights have gone past the 1st round. Styles make fights and Carwins background should bring some problems to the table in a fight with Brock.

I also concur in waiting a long time in seeing Lesnar fight again.

[JBLAZE725]

I have to say I thought Lesnar flipping off the crowd and some of his comments were in poor taste. Throwing salt in Mir's wounds after the fight I didn't mind. Mir was very disrespectful after the first fight and leading up to this one so I felt he made his bed and had to lay in it. As far as a Fedor fight would go, Lesnar has the physicalness to beat Fedor, but Fedor's skillset is unmatched possibly in any weight class. For Lesnar to mention Fedor after having 5 fights is absurd. GSP is amazing. Some people are saying his fights are beginning to get boring, but the fact is he is efficient at what he does. He doesn't take chances and he wins, it's a fight not poker, no need to take chances and get knocked out. I'm glad Bisping got what he deserved as well. Henderson was very quiet before the fight and Bisping kept talking crap and saying how he would knock Henderson out and Henderson hasn't knocked anyone out in years. Well that streak is over. I can deal with trash talk and some of it is amusing as long as it's in good taste, but people have to understand the more you say before the fight, the more you better make sure you don't lose and end up eating those words.

[FreezerBurns]

...the more you say before the fight, the more you better make sure you don't lose and end up eating those words.

That's a good point.

Hendo's additional forearm shiver was quite unnecessary but not surprising after the massive amounts of disrespect and junk talking he endured. Also, though unfortunate, we see it all the time, he's deffinitely not the first to do it.

[jiujitsuguy]

Brock is just a goon as far as I'm concerned. Did Mir talk a lot of crap?Yeah he did but there are better ways to handle it. Like Brock yelling at Frank after the fight, yelling at the security personal and flipping off the fans was way over the top. Way worse then anything Tito has ever done and he plays the heel in his fights as well. And I agree that Brock has no business in going into a fight with Fedor at this point in his career but I definitely wouldn't complain if they did fight.

I was really impressed with Thiago Alves in this fight with his ability to stand right back up even though he was taken down at will for most of the fight. I knew Alves had good wrestling but to do it against a fighter of GSP's caliber is amazing. I'm not sure exactly who his next fight will be against since at this moment in time there are no outstanding contenders off the top of my head. A fight with Anderson would be amazing but I'm not sure if the timing is right. Anderson has to fight Forest and if he gets out of that with injuries then has to defend his title before thinking about a super fight. They fight wouldn't be for the title I would think but probably a catch weight fight.

I was pulling for Dan to win but had him winning by decision not KO but either way I was happy. As for the last shot on Bisping...was it necessary in hindsight? No but in the heat of the moment that sort of stuff happens. At least he stopped when the ref pulled him off not like his training partner Soko at the Dream event.

All in all I enjoyed the fights and enjoyed my night so no real complaints here.

[FreezerBurns]

All in all I enjoyed the fights and enjoyed my night so no real complaints here.

+1 :thumbup1:

[The Fish]

Regarding a fight between Lesnar and Fedor...

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Any fighter who can get suplexed onto his HEAD hard enough to shake the arena and then go on to win the fight like nothing even happened would scare the living daylights out of me, no matter how big I was.

[thunderball]

He's not a man you want on top of you

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[Sullybob]

Regarding a fight between Lesnar and Fedor...

Any fighter who can get suplexed onto his HEAD hard enough to shake the arena and then go on to win the fight like nothing even happened would scare the living daylights out of me, no matter how big I was.

I remember watching that and thinking that Fedor was done at that point. I believe that he finished Randalman in another minute or two by submission right after that.



He's not a man you want on top of you


That was a brutal beating for sure. Isn't this the fight where their was a young Japanese girl ringside that was crying? The kept showing her.

[JBLAZE725]

He's not a man you want on top of you

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Or underneath you, or in front of you, or behind you.

[jiujitsuguy]

I remember watching that Fedor/Randleman fight and I thought Fedor was going to either a) die or b) suffer paralysis from a broken neck. Kevin suplexed him so hard that they were both lifted off the ground. Fedor is definitely the baddest man on the planet that's for sure. Personally I see him obliterating Josh Barnette. After the Gilbert Yvel fight I wasn't exactly too impressed. He'll need to bring a hellva lot more to the table with Fedor that's for sure.

Oh how I love mma... I can never get enough of it. I have a serious addiction problem with this sport.

Like many of you here who have an AD with shaving, I have a AD with anything mma related. I can never get enough chutebox, BTT, Sinister and just plain mma t-shirts. Couple that with training gear my interest in this sport gets pricey.

Anyone else here at B&B train in a martial art of any kind?

[RBE17]

Anyone else here at B&B train in a martial art of any kind?

I started taking Taekwondo lessons at the beginning of the year. More as a means to get in shape, but w/ the added benefit of pursuing a childhood dream of becoming a blackbelt.

[Kratos]

Man, I expected so much more out of Randleman. He had all the tools...

I train a bit by myself. I'm thinking about getting a heavy bag setup for my downstairs area.

[jiujitsuguy]

I was watching an interview with Rampage (an older one I believe) in which he talks about the hardest hit he's ever taken. It happened to be Randleman. Rampage even said that with proper training Kevin could have been one of the best if not the best.

I've done shotokan karate, judo, BJJ, 10th planet JJ, Muay Thai and wrestling. However coming back home for the summer blows since I'm away from the club and lack of decent training facilities around these parts.

If you're interested I would suggest finding Bas Ruttens DVD of Combat, Gracies DVD set, and The Twister. Bas' Big DVD of Combat is a wealth of knowledge...plus who can ever get enough of El Guapo?! :biggrin:

I must say it's a little refreshing to have some discussion about mma/martial arts in general instead of logging into sherdog.

[Sullybob]

I studied Olympic style Tae Kwon Do for a few years. Wrestled in middle school and my freshman year of high school. Worked out/practiced with friends who studied other arts.

I barely log on to sherdog anymore, if I do go there I read the articles from the front page. Way to many key board warriors for me. It is nice to have a decent discussion of MMA with out hearing "shut up white belt." :rolleyes:

[Kratos]

Yeah, in the more physically-oriented the site, the more jackass attitudes you have to deal with. That's why I stopped posting at T-nation. Lots of internet badasses on those types of sites. Shoot, a lot of these wanna-be UFC warriors in real life are very annoying, and set a bad example. I hear them talking about running around picking fights a lot more often than I should.

[TimmyBoston]

I studied Olympic style Tae Kwon Do for a few years. Wrestled in middle school and my freshman year of high school. Worked out/practiced with friends who studied other arts.

I barely log on to sherdog anymore, if I do go there I read the articles from the front page. Way to many key board warriors for me. It is nice to have a decent discussion of MMA with out hearing "shut up white belt." :rolleyes:

Shut up white belt.



:biggrin: Sorry, couldn't resist. :biggrin:

[thunderball]

Anyone else here at B&B train in a martial art of any kind?

Black belt in Aikido (hardly the best discipline for MMA however! :biggrin:)


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[jiujitsuguy]

You never know Thunderball! No one thought traditional karate would transition well into MMA and look at Machida.

Kratos I hear ya. Some websites have been overrun by jackasses such as the one you pointed out as well as Sherdog. I think I actually enjoy Sherdog more when it all it was (when I joined in 2006) Pride vs UFC threads lol. I'm thinking I should make a UG account.

[ratcheer]

Hmmm, nobody seems to like Brock Lesnar. Let's see, this is a sport where the only objective is to whip the other guy's ass, no matter what it takes. But, Lesnar has a bad attitude? That seems like another one of his assets, to me. :confused:

Tim

[jiujitsuguy]

Hey, don't get me wrong I do respect Brocks fighting ability but his attitude after the Mir fight was terrible. It's one thing to talk trash but it's another thing start cursing and yelling at your opponent AFTER the fight and not to mention the security personal. Tito played the heel for years and never did anything like that and was successful.

Mind you I wanted Mir to win and was disappointed that Brock won but it was when Brock got into everyone’s face afterwards is what done it in for me. MMA has always been a respectful sport and having Brock act like that goes against the unwritten code of MMA. Mind you, no one should have to pull an Anderson/Franklin type of thing but at least shake hands and be done with it. Brock wasn't like this in his first two fights. In fact, he was extremely humble.

However, Brock is selling PPV's and it is a selling point so I don't see it changing anytime in the near future.

[The Fish]

The reason I love mma is best exemplified by a fight I watched between Roger Huerta and Leonard Garcia a few years ago. It was an amazing fight. Huerta was definitely getting the best of their exchanges, but they were both just wailing on each other for the entire fight. At the end of the fight they both just fell to their knees in the center of the ring, held each other by the shoulders, touched heads, and simply showed incredible respect for each other. That's the way it should be.

[Kratos]

Hmmm, nobody seems to like Brock Lesnar. Let's see, this is a sport where the only objective is to whip the other guy's ass, no matter what it takes. But, Lesnar has a bad attitude? That seems like another one of his assets, to me. :confused:

Tim

Well, it's not quite whatever it takes, there are rules. And a bad attitude isn't something I'd call an asset. When you don't respect your opponent you are likely to underestimate him, and he's said he has no respect for anyone in the UFC. He's only had 5 fights, and a big part of his "ability" is his 20-30 lb. weight advantage.

[JBLAZE725]

Well, it's not quite whatever it takes, there are rules. And a bad attitude isn't something I'd call an asset. When you don't respect your opponent you are likely to underestimate him, and he's said he has no respect for anyone in the UFC. He's only had 5 fights, and a big part of his "ability" is his 20-30 lb. weight advantage.

I would like to mention that while his weight and strength advantages are certainly assets, they alone don't win fights. If you look at Bob Sapp he's way bigger than Brock, but gets his ass handed to him regularly, same thing for Hong Man Choi. Brock does have some very impressive wrestling skill and he uses it well and he has learned ground and pound pretty quickly. I am not a Brock fan by any means, but I did want him to beat Mir because I really can't stand his attitude. Again I think his post fight behavior was pathetic, but I give him a bit of reprieve and will wait to see how he acts in the future before passing final judgement.

[jiujitsuguy]

Again I think his post fight behavior was pathetic, but I give him a bit of reprieve and will wait to see how he acts in the future before passing final judgement.

I share the same thoughts. Watch Brocks 1st two mma fights and he's nothing but respectful (even though his 2nd fight was with Mir). After the first Mir fight even though Brock lost I was impressed and hoped he would do well as his career went on. However in his next fight with Herring he just seemed to do a 180 in which his antics remind me of pro wrestling. Even though it seems that Brock only gets like that when people are mocking him but it doesn't give him the right to act like an bully/roid monkey. I think what did it in for Brock with a lot of fans was the UFC giving him a title shot after 1 win with a 2-1 record. That made a lot of people angry since the only reason he shot the title shot was because of his pulling power.

As much as I hope Brock goes back to his pre-Heath Herring days I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon or at all. With Carwin already calling him out I foresee the same situation happening all over again.

[Sullybob]

Shut up white belt.


:biggrin: Sorry, couldn't resist. :biggrin:

Because post count is a good indicator of your knowledge?:wink2:

Just to continue the sherdog madness:001_smile


Black belt in Aikido (hardly the best discipline for MMA however! :biggrin:)




I have always been fascinated by Aikido. Have you ever trained with a sword?

[Kratos]

I would like to mention that while his weight and strength advantages are certainly assets, they alone don't win fights. If you look at Bob Sapp he's way bigger than Brock, but gets his ass handed to him regularly, same thing for Hong Man Choi. Brock does have some very impressive wrestling skill and he uses it well and he has learned ground and pound pretty quickly. I am not a Brock fan by any means, but I did want him to beat Mir because I really can't stand his attitude. Again I think his post fight behavior was pathetic, but I give him a bit of reprieve and will wait to see how he acts in the future before passing final judgement.

This is true. Even a gun is worthless if not used properly. He definitely has more prowess than those two, and he does know how to use his weight to his advantage. Ground n' pound is a lot easier when you can pretty much just lay on top of your smaller opponent and smash him at will. I hope he changes some things for his next fight, whether he wins or loses.

[JBLAZE725]

This is true. Even a gun is worthless if not used properly. He definitely has more prowess than those two, and he does know how to use his weight to his advantage. Ground n' pound is a lot easier when you can pretty much just lay on top of your smaller opponent and smash him at will. I hope he changes some things for his next fight, whether he wins or loses.

Like I said I'm not a fan of his, but if he can continue to improve his game as he has done and maybe become a little more well rounded I may be. I just hope he doesn't have any more outbursts like the other night. I am all for trash talk to a certain point. Saying you're going to win is fine, nobody should go in saying they're going to lose. Getting colorful and creative about it is even better, but it should be done respectfully. That was my main gripe with Mir and Bisping and others who have done the same. Disrespecting your opponent is unnecessary and for those that choose to do it I'm more than happy to see them get theirs in the end. That siad I can't wait for the next UFC; Silva vs Griffin and Penn vs Florian. I actually don't know who to pick in these fights.

[Sullybob]

Silva vs Griffin
I think that this is going to be a very interesting fight. Forrest is a dog and he never quits, as long as he doesn't get KO'ed it should be a good fight. Anderson has KO power in his hands and feet. Also Forrest is a huge 205 pounder. I hope Silva doesn't go through Forrest like he did James Irvin:eek:


Penn vs Florian
Penn is a great fighter, I'm just tired of his mouth. I have been a Florian fan since he was on TUF. I think he may be better standing then Penn but the ground game is a whole different animal. Penn's flexibility is amazing.

[Kratos]

Well here's his apology.] (http://m.youtube.com/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DxBEs130CjYI&v=xBEs130CjYI). Being a sore loser would explain his sudden change in attitude after the Herring fight. I don't know about him "giving" the fight to Mir. Seems Mir "gave" him his ankle in return for tapping out.
Another thing, I thought his primary goal was the NFL. He didn't get that started when he was leaving the WWE, so he fell into MMA. That's what that whole lawsuit was about. Something in his contract about how he wouldn't go into any entertainment industry or MMA.


+1 on Silva/Griffin. This fight I want to see. Someone made mention earlier about nobody being able to hang with Silva besides GSP(or something to that effect), but I don't think this is the case, especially after Silva's last fight. Penn/Florian-I'd probably have to say I'm more in for Florian. I too, am tired of Penn running his mouth. Last time he did that he got put in his place. Some guys never learn. If Florian can stay off the ground he should take it.

[jiujitsuguy]

I'm hoping my picking streak from ufc 100 will continue over to UFC 101 (went 8-3). Just looking at the main two fights right now I've got Anderson and BJ taking the fights.

I've got Anderson winning for these reasons: Anderson as we all are aware of has a tremendous power in his striking. You couple this with Forrest not having the strongest of chins (but not a glass jaw) and it makes for a not so good combination for Forrest. Anderson on the other hand has an amazing chin (see the cage rage match between Lee Murray vs. Anderson Silva) so I don't think Forrest is going to KO Silva. Then you have Anderson's BJJ which is good for nullifying a lot of his opponents. That and Forrest only being a blue belt (I believe...might be purple by now) it his very unlikely (although not impossible) that Forrest will pull of a submission win. The wrestling advantage would go to Forrest but I'm not sure how effective it's going to be. Forrest’s best bet would be to do what Hendo did and tie him up with some Greco and drag him down that way.

Another factor that comes into play for Anderson is the training camp. While Forrest’s camp at xtreme Couture is a superb camp, Anderson’s camp is phenomenal. Size will also be a pretty big factor in this fight. Forrest is a big guy (walks around at 230) and often helps Randy prepare for his HW fights because of his size alone. This will be interesting to see how it plays out in the fight since it should help Forrest control Anderson on the ground if he ends up there on top. Not to mention Forrest has some nasty leg kicks and with all that weight behind them it would sting just a tad I assume.

IMO the only probable way for Forrest to win is via decision or possibly submission which is far less likely. I'm going to call it Anderson by KO.

As for the BJ/Florian fight BJ takes it for several reasons. In the striking department Kenny does have better all round striking but I do think that BJ will get the better of the exchanges with his boxing and will use that jab that he's known for.

BJJ wise I think we all know that BJ has the better jiujitsu on paper but we've never really seen BJ show is true BJJ potential at all, especially off his back which disturbs me a little as a fellow BJJ practitioner. Your guard is your work bench and where a lot of submissions are set up from. If it does end up on the ground I don't see Kenny being in any crazy amount of danger. What Kenny does have to look for in the guard his BJ's high guard or mission control and the omaplata's and gogoplatas that we see BJ loves to do.or at least attempt but never really gets the chance to pull it off.

In the wrestling department I would say none of them have crazy takedowns but the advantage I would say goes to BJ due to his great takedown defence. However this shows us that the fight will be fought standing up and probably won't go to the ground unless it's by a knock down.

In BJ's last fight against GSP he was outweighed significantly which after we saw last weekend, is a determining factor with fighters who are close to equally skilled. This won't be an issue during this fight. I don't think BJ's cardio is suspect at LW and even looked to be alright during the 2nd GSP fight (he just looked mentally out of it. Definitely not the BJ we're used to seeing that's for sure).

I see this fight being something like the Joe Stephenson fight although more technical standing up. I'm going to call it BJ by TKO.

[thunderball]

I have always been fascinated by Aikido. Have you ever trained with a sword?

Yes. Mostly heavy wooden swords during keiko (training session) but by knowing the right old fellas you can certainly get your hands on the real thing for a cut or two. I don't really want to hijack this thread too much more though...perhaps we should start an aikido thread? :biggrin: All I can say is that for me handling a real sword (for some reason) is infinitely more scary than handling a gun...perhaps because you can't really 'unload' a sword? Not sure. I have some pics of some amazing blades if you're really interested...

[Kratos]

Yes. Mostly heavy wooden swords during keiko (training session) but by knowing the right old fellas you can certainly get your hands on the real thing for a cut or two. I don't really want to hijack this thread too much more though...perhaps we should start an aikido thread? :biggrin: All I can say is that for me handling a real sword (for some reason) is infinitely more scary than handling a gun...perhaps because you can't really 'unload' a sword? Not sure. I have some pics of some amazing blades if you're really interested...

Infinitely more scary? I must say I disagree. I use both, and I am never worrried about an accidental discharge with a sword. I don"t know of too many people who have accidentally blown their faces off with a sword. You're infinitely less likely to blow your foot off, or your hand for that matter. Now you have me wanting to get another sword, dammit!

[Sullybob]

I'm interested in sword pictures. I'm also the OP so I don't care if this thread gets to far off track :001_smile

I have seen the guys from http://www.bugei.com/ perform sword demonstrations before. Impressive, to say the least.

[thunderball]

I'm interested in sword pictures. I'm also the OP so I don't care if this thread gets to far off track :001_smile

I have seen the guys from http://www.bugei.com/ perform sword demonstrations before. Impressive, to say the least.

Ok then here is one I almost bought off of one of my senseis. Sorry for the bad quality of the pics...and the cluttered background (not my house). It was by far the cheapest and newest of the blades he was offering at the time and I was a fool not to buy it...oh well...the wife just didn't see it that way unfortunately. It was forged by Gassan (月山 - I forget which one at the moment) and was just beautiful though a bit thick and heavy. It was the perfect length for me too (many are too short for me)...*sigh* He was letting it go for 6 grand including koshirae which I think was a steal.

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[Sullybob]

Thanks Dave.

Does that sword have a fuller or blood grove? It kind of looks like it in the pictures.

[Kratos]

Thanks Dave.

Does that sword have a fuller or blood grove? It kind of looks like it in the pictures.

+1 to that. That is an awesome blade. It looks like it has a fuller, though maybe not for the entire length of the blade. I'd love to have a sword like that someday. I love weaponry of all kinds, especially swords, though.

[thunderball]

Here are two more which were much, much older (1500s I think) and of course not for sale.

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Although I look sleepy in these pictures it's just the beer...and wine...and sake we were having. :biggrin:

[thunderball]

Thanks Dave.

Does that sword have a fuller or blood grove? It kind of looks like it in the pictures.

It had a groove ('Hi' in Japanese - pronounced HEE) running part of the length of the blade, starting just above the engraving and continuing to up near the yokote (not sure the English word for this).

[TimmyBoston]

Silva vs Griffin
I think that this is going to be a very interesting fight. Forrest is a dog and he never quits, as long as he doesn't get KO'ed it should be a good fight. Anderson has KO power in his hands and feet. Also Forrest is a huge 205 pounder. I hope Silva doesn't go through Forrest like he did James Irvin:eek:


Penn vs Florian
Penn is a great fighter, I'm just tired of his mouth. I have been a Florian fan since he was on TUF. I think he may be better standing then Penn but the ground game is a whole different animal. Penn's flexibility is amazing.

I'm looking forward to both, but I look forward to most every pay-per-view. :biggrin: I think Penn is going to destroy Florian and I'm fine with that never been a Ken-Flo fan, but he has improved dramatically over the years, but BJ is a damn good lightweight.

Now Griffin and Silva, this has the potential to be amazing. Griffin doesn't quit, fights he wins he looks like someone ran over his face with a bulldozer. This will be a true test of how good of a 205 pounder Silva can be. I know Forrest won't give up without a fight, really, really looking forward to this one. :001_smile

[TimmyBoston]

Although I look sleepy in these pictures it's just the beer...and wine...and sake we were having. :biggrin:

Always an excellent pairing with a sword. :biggrin: