"Cussing"

[Mark5-9]

The place I work the language is, to say the least, colorful. In fact sailors have been known to leave offended from the place where I work. Four letter words are used as a noun, adjective and verb, often simultaneously. Perhaps because of this my language has sometimes been criticized by certain members of the public.

Which may be fair.

I mention this because a member of this forum went ahead and clicked the link to my blog at the bottom of one of my posts and found the level of "cussing" (I love that term :biggrin:) to be somewhat akin to listening to Mike Tyson. Now, I'm not sure quite what that means but I'm led to believe it is not good.

I'm starting this thread for two reasons.

First to warn people who have a problem with the 21st century NOT to click the link below. There is "cussing", possibly occasional nudity and almost certainly something to offend everyone if they sit down and think hard enough about it.

Second, and actually the real reason, is to find out your opinions on this sort of stuff. What, if anything, do you find offensive? What could you really do without? (Probably best not to single out any particular people, groups, ect. Just general stuff you are confronted with, day to day.)

I'll start.

I have a problem with closed mindedness and people who try to subject others to their own personal set of values.

Over to you.

[ouch]

This is an inappropriate post for this site. You complain of "people who try to subject others to their own personal set of values," yet this is precisely what you are doing here.

Please change it.

[mdunn]

people told you off for swearing on your personal blog?

[Leche]

I'm not one of those people looking to get offended, I really don't get offended anyways. If I read a blog or something similar and don't like it I don't read it.

[Mark5-9]

Ouch. You are the moderator and what you say goes.

I really am interested in peoples views and I am not just trying to be confrontational. How would you like me to change it?

[Mark5-9]

people told you off for swearing on your personal blog?
Yep.

[ouch]

Start by removing any links that might be offensive.

If your interest is in pushing buttons, you'll have to find another place to do so.

[dpm802]

I'm pretty open-minded about language. There is a time and place where "cussing" is appropriate, and times when it is not.

I don't mind when someone inserts an occasional four-letter word into their speech, but it irks me when they use a stream of foul language to camouflage the fact that they have nothing to say.

[GoldenMonkey]

People that are easily offended by coarse or even crude language need to relax. There's a time and a place for everything, and although it doesn't make you cool or manly to swear like a drunken sailor, it certainly isn't anything to whine about. I'm sure you're a perfectly good person and so are your co-workers. I'm sure you understand the value of moderation in certain situations (like, if you were in church, or in front of little kids, or a guest in someone's home that you were on polite terms with). I agree with you on the whole nature of closed-mindedness and intolerance and people forcing you into accepting their way of thinking, but you DO have to realize that thre is a time to be yourself and a time to check your s#@t, so to speak. Just be aware of other people's feelings and accept things as they are wherever you go, unless you set the rules. Around here, more often than not, you'll be expected to comport yourself with a level of decency and "gentlemanliness", and to be expected to treat others as you yourself wish to be treated. It's a small sacrifice, and when we're kicking back in your garage having a beer, you can call me all the names you want...I won't be offended, lol...believe me, I can shock MYSELF sometimes with the things that come out of MY mouth, lololol...

By the way...I bookmarked your blog, lol...

AND..that said...if I stumbled across someone's blog on these here intarwebz and didn't like what I read, the LAST thing I do would be to complain about it. Probably the FIRST would be to just close the browser and get on with my life. It's people that complain about such things that sit in their basement all day writing letters in protest and "strenuously objecting" to any and all forms of free speech. They keep themselves warm by the fires of righteous indignation...

[ouch]

Compared to me, none of you even know how to curse. I've made it an art form.

But if I can contain myself, you'll have to as well. This is, after all, a gentlemanly site.

[Mark5-9]

Start by removing any links that might be offensive.

If your interest is in pushing buttons, you'll have to find another place to do so.

Thats not what I am interested in at all. Your request to "remove any links that might be offensive" is exactly why am am asking this sort of question. To find out what the community of B&B finds offensive. We are a varied and international group of people here. What may be offensive to some will not be to others. As GoldenMonkey implied, it is all a mater of context.

I just want to start an intelligent discussion on the subject, which is already happening.

And, for the record, I have never used a "cuss word" on this site.

I think...

[Austin]

People that are easily offended by coarse or even crude language need to relax. There's a time and a place for everything, and although it doesn't make you cool or manly to swear like a drunken sailor, it certainly isn't anything to whine about. I'm sure you're a perfectly good person and so are your co-workers. I'm sure you understand the value of moderation in certain situations (like, if you were in church, or in front of little kids, or a guest in someone's home that you were on polite terms with). I agree with you on the whole nature of closed-mindedness and intolerance and people forcing you into accepting their way of thinking, but you DO have to realize that thre is a time to be yourself and a time to check your s#@t, so to speak. Just be aware of other people's feelings and accept things as they are wherever you go, unless you set the rules. Around here, more often than not, you'll be expected to comport yourself with a level of decency and "gentlemanliness", and to be expected to treat others as you yourself wish to be treated. It's a small sacrifice, and when we're kicking back in your garage having a beer, you can call me all the names you want...I won't be offended, lol...believe me, I can shock MYSELF sometime with the things that come out of MY mouth, lololol...

By the way...I bookmarked your blog, lol...

Golden, I have to agree with you. When I'm at a pub with my pals, we tend to be a little salty.


Compared to me, none of you even know how to curse. I've made it an art form.

But if I can contain myself, you'll have to as well. This is, after all, a gentlemanly site.

You sir are the master. I have been subject to tirades via pm by this gent. He is a kung fu master. :biggrin:

[marvin100]

Thanks to the internet, every link leads to something offensive, either directly or indirectly. Policing people's own blog links is a step too far.

/my two shekels

[GoldenMonkey]

*tip of the hat* Austin, I thank you for that.

Austin is proof that moderation cuts both ways.

And didn't you just know I'd be one of those that had to chime in on this thread, lol...:lol::lol::lol:

[richmondesi]

First point, cussing has nothing to do with the 21st century. Second point, talk how ever you like; I couldn't care less. The great thing about being a grown up is that we get to choose our associations for the most part. I don't push my values on anyone, but me not associating with people that talk like that (excessively) doesn't mean I need to relax. I don't associate with people that do much of anything in excess (exercise, cuss, drink, smoke, work, etc.). What it means is that I like people that do things in moderation.

Having said that, I'd like to give a big +1 to Jay on this one :thumbup1:

[nikkuchan]

There is no language that offends me. No matter how crudely, voilently, or politely anybody may speak, the personal views that they communicate are what's important. Some of the worst things I've ever heard were clean and void of "cussing."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbALbZ9bHFU

Here's a good point. Warning: This video has "cussing!"

[BEAR DEN]

I have drank with an otter....so my priorities must be in order. I cuss so much in the real world that I actually find it refreshing to come here and not see it. Am I offended or does it make me blush? Hell no! All it really does is bring me back to the world that I live in most of the time...the time when I'm not on B&B.

[Hanzo]

I don't cuss except under my breath and now I am very self concious if I use a four letter word out loud but listening to or reading cuss words doesn't offend me at all. In fact some folks can cuss with great skill and it becomes a hysterical, skilled use of language, like Samuel L. Jackson characters.

[marvin100]

Wait, isn't the point of this thread the idea that simply linking to something that doesn't fit B&B's gentlemanly atmosphere is verboten? I don't think anybody's trying to question the rules here, right?

But is B&B trying to stop us from cussing elsewhere (or at least trying to make us pretend we don't cuss elsewhere? Or cover that fact up?)?

Because that doesn't make much sense to me.

[Obsessed]

Compared to me, none of you even know how to curse. I've made it an art form.

Ah, but the rules you have established make it impossible for us to challenge that claim. How Machiavellian!

[_JP_]

Thats not what I am interested in at all. Your request to "remove any links that might be offensive" is exactly why am am asking this sort of question.

OK, here's my answer. A lot of people view this site from their workplace. A link that contains stuff that is not safe for work is a booby trap for them. People have actually been let go from their jobs in the past because they accidentally had nudity on their computers. So cut it out!

Or at least include a warning with your link.

[Shane]

This notion of saying and doing whatever you want to say or do, regardless of how offensive/annoying, and not only being flippant about it, but saying it's everyone else's problem for getting upset by it, is just patently rude. Life doesn't work that way, never has, never will, never should. This applies to the virtual world and actual world.

[marvin100]

This notion of saying and doing whatever you want to say or do, regardless of how offensive/annoying, and not only being flippant about it, but saying it's everyone else's problem for getting upset by it, is just patently rude. Life doesn't work that way, never has, never will, never should. This applies to the virtual world and actual world.

This is a straw man and cannot be equated with anyone's point so far in this thread.

[_JP_]

Compared to me, none of you even know how to curse. I've made it an art form.

But if I can contain myself, you'll have to as well. This is, after all, a gentlemanly site.


Ah, but the rules you have established make it impossible for us to challenge that claim. How Machiavellian!

You can challenge him via PM. Whoever comes out of that battle without stuttering will be the winner! :devil:

[Mark5-9]

Ah, but the rules you have established make it impossible for us to challenge that claim. How Machiavellian!

Perhaps we could all make a blog, link to it, and have a "cuss off"?

Just putting it out there...:wink:

[GoldenMonkey]

First point, cussing has nothing to do with the 21st century. Second point, talk how ever you like; I couldn't care less. The great thing about being a grown up is that we get to choose our associations for the most part. I don't push my values on anyone, but me not associating with people that talk like that (excessively) doesn't mean I need to relax. I don't associate with people that do much of anything in excess (exercise, cuss, drink, smoke, work, etc.). What it means is that I like people that do things in moderation.

Having said that, I'd like to give a big +1 to Jay on this one :thumbup1:

I don't think the OP's point is that "Cussing is Modern(!)", it's just that..well, my take on it anyway, is that if you're going to feel upset or outraged about something, there's many more important things to get bent out of shape about.

And since the second bolded statement refers to something I said, let me just elaborate further...I did not mean that people need to put their OWN values aside and put up with things they don't agree with...far from it...what I meant simply goes back to my point above...there is a time and a place for everything, and if one feels the need to be whipped up into a frenzy about something, pick a better battle to fight than trying to police someone else's way of expressing themselves.

If the OP's blog was full of pictures of animal torture, Goatse, Tubgirl, racism, and all manner of things purely designed to incite disgust, violence, hatred, and confrontation, I TOO would feel that his link is inappropriate. As it is, I'm ok with what he has to say on it (although I have not read a whole lot yet). I'm also ok with Ouch saying that it should be removed, however, because the rules of conduct around here are immutable and apply to everyone. It's not censorship. If the OP was banned for it though, I would probably have an issue with that, but we're here just discussing things, so it's ok...:biggrin:

[GoldenMonkey]

Ah, but the rules you have established make it impossible for us to challenge that claim. How Machiavellian!

+1. Well said. It takes me MANY more words to express that, lol...

[Shane]

This is a straw man and cannot be equated with anyone's point so far in this thread.
You know something? I'm no moderator. I'm not an owner of the website, I have nothing to do with how it's run, I don't even contribute money to it. What I am is someone that's spent the past three years or so here, and I've learned that I, along with many, many others, are seriously tired or the argument-for-the-sake-of-argument. Straw man, point-counterpoint, it's old, tired, and dead.

It started off with political discussion. People couldn't keep their pants on about that, so they started flaming like mad forgetting that it was the internet and no one really cared. I remember Badger & Blade back when there wasn't a mass influx of people who sat behind keyboards picking people's words apart. It's not the same forum now, and it's because there's people on this forum that, to this day, see this place as somewhere to argue. It isn't.

This forum is under the jurisdiction of moderators. Moderators that don't get paid for what they do, moderators that allow this site to run free of charge for anyone who wants to join it. Is it really too much to ask for those of us members who value the site to just stop arguing and accept what is? I don't get it. I really don't get what's so hard about it anymore.

Anyone that would read this post might think that I've gone a little tangential with it all, and that's fine. All I know is that this forum and the rules by which it's governed aren't forced upon anyone, and if you think it's too nanny-state or heavy-handed for you to tolerate, the out door works just as well as the in door.

[marvin100]

OK, here's my answer. A lot of people view this site from their workplace. A link that contains stuff that is not safe for work is a booby trap for them. People have actually been let go from their jobs in the past because they accidentally had nudity on their computers. So cut it out!

Or at least include a warning with your link.

People have also been fired for reading perfectly "gentlemanly" forums while they're being paid for "working."

This message board can hardly hold itself responsible for people being bad employees and surfing the Internet at work.

[Mark5-9]

This notion of saying and doing whatever you want to say or do, regardless of how offensive/annoying, and not only being flippant about it, but saying it's everyone else's problem for getting upset by it, is just patently rude. Life doesn't work that way, never has, never will, never should. This applies to the virtual world and actual world.
Fair point. But who measures what is offensive? For a site to be considered offensive I would say it would have to be objectionable to the average member of the community. I personally do not fine swearing, in itself, to be offensive.

But perhaps I'm not "average". Thats why I've posed the question.

[Obsessed]

Perhaps we could all make a blog, link to it, and have a "cuss off"?

No point. The way I see it, if I win, I'm the best cusser, but if I lose, it's because I don't need to resort to that kind of language to express myself. :biggrin:

[marvin100]

Okay, I won't argue any more, Shane, but it's not a bad idea to know what a straw man is and how not to use them, since they are responsible for a lot of endless arguments that can never go anywhere (because they devolve into abstractions and moving goalposts).

(sorry, kinda can't help it, I used to teach rhetoric and coach debate)

[richmondesi]

I don't think the OP's point is that "Cussing is Modern(!)", it's just that..well, my take on it anyway, is that if you're going to feel upset or outraged about something, there's many more important things to get bent out of shape about.

And since the second bolded statement refers to something I said, let me just elaborate further...I did not mean that people need to put their OWN values aside and put up with things they don't agree with...far from it...what I meant simply goes back to my point above...there is a time and a place for everything, and if one feels the need to be whipped up into a frenzy about something, pick a better battle to fight than trying to police someone else's way of expressing themselves.

If the OP's blog was full of pictures of animal torture, Goatse, Tubgirl, racism, and all manner of things purely designed to incite disgust, violence, hatred, and confrontation, I TOO would feel that his link is inappropriate. As it is, I'm ok with what he has to say on it (although I have not read a whole lot yet). I'm also ok with Ouch saying that it should be removed, however, because the rules of conduct around here are immutable and apply to everyone. It's not censorship. If the OP was banned for it though, I would probably have an issue with that, but we're here just discussing things, so it's ok...:biggrin:

Here's the deal though: you cannot offend me, I have to choose to be offended by things. The fact is we "own" our emotions and react how we do by choice. But to the point, he specifically reference having a problem with "the 21st century" which implied exactly what I said it did. And you have to put the list of the things that you admitted would offend you into perspective. You said that there is a time and place for everything, I disagree. I disagree because I don't think that there is a time or place for that ugliness. I don't get offended; I disassociate when people demonstrate consistently unattractive behavior.

[GoldenMonkey]

You know something?... *snip*

Shane makes a good point though...people can speak their mind, but people also can't moderate themselves, so there ARE rules. It's nice in its own way to find someplace on the internet that doesn't allow every conversation to devolve into mud slinging. Can the moderation be a tad draconian and overly-zealous? Yes, at times. But at least you're afforded the luxury of at least TRYING to defend your position before the smack comes down. That said...

Mark, you've got to realize that you're tipping at windmills here...I mean, there's definitely a pecking order as to who can say what they want, and Mr. 33 Posts is NOT going to come out unscathed against Mr. 17,000 Posts. The Old Boy Network has a very strong grip...that's not an indictment against B&B in any way, or meant to be an insult to any of the Established Ones, it's just that there is a certain amount of familiarity afforded to you once you have been around long enough and "proven" yourself to be an upstanding member of the community. I am nowhere NEAR that point with these guys, so don't listen to me, lol...I'm Mr. Piss Off the Mods...I poke, I prod, I speak my mind as best and as often as I can, and I don't tolerate intolerance, but I do try to lay by their rules. Feel free to PM any one of these guys, and take your argument offline. They are very good about that (which reminds me Ouch...I STILL owe you a reply from way back, lol...don't think I forgot :001_smile)

[nikkuchan]

No point. The way I see it, if I win, I'm the best cusser, but if I lose, it's because I don't need to resort to that kind of language to express myself. :biggrin:

Translation: I'm blowing steam and have no chance of winning.

[Shane]

Okay, I won't argue any more, Shane, but it's not a bad idea to know what a straw man is and how not to use them, since they are responsible for a lot of endless arguments that can never go anywhere (because they devolve into abstractions and moving goalposts).

(sorry, kinda can't help it, I used to teach rhetoric and coach debate)
I know what a straw man is, I was just making a general comment that it's not all that constructive to say things that we know will offend and then get mad at those who get offended. It's a two-way street.

[GoldenMonkey]

Here's the deal though: you cannot offend me, I have to choose to be offended by things. The fact is we "own" our emotions and react how we do by choice. But to the point, he specifically reference having a problem with "the 21st century" which implied exactly what I said it did. And you have to put the list of the things that you admitted would offend you into perspective. You said that there is a time and place for everything, I disagree. I disagree because I don't think that there is a time or place for that ugliness. I don't get offended; I disassociate when people demonstrate consistently unattractive behavior.

That's fair...you're absolutely right about choosing to be offended or not. Many people certainly choose to be offended by something and start a crusade against it. Many simply choose to ignore it.

As for "a time and a place for everything"...yeah, that didn't come out right in its original context. What I mean is that there is a time and a place for picking your battles, NOT the things I mentioned that would offend me, lol. Sorry that came out that way (for the record, those are the things that I have NO time for, in ANY place).

[marvin100]

I know what a straw man is, I was just making a general comment that it's not all that constructive to say things that we know will offend and then get mad at those who get offended. It's a two-way street.

That's a much better point, and one with which I can do nothing but agree.

[Mark5-9]

Shane makes a good point though...people can speak their mind, but people also can't moderate themselves, so there ARE rules. It's nice in its own way to find someplace on the internet that doesn't allow every conversation to devolve into mud slinging. Can the moderation be a tad draconian and overly-zealous? Yes, at times. But at least you're afforded the luxury of at least TRYING to defend your position before the smack comes down. That said...

Mark, you've got to realize that you're tipping at windmills here...I mean, there's definitely a pecking order as to who can say what they want, and Mr. 33 Posts is NOT going to come out unscathed against Mr. 17,000 Posts. The Old Boy Network has a very strong grip...that's not an indictment against B&B in any way, or meant to be an insult to any of the Established Ones, it's just that there is a certain amount of familiarity afforded to you once you have been around long enough and "proven" yourself to be an upstanding member of the community. I am nowhere NEAR that point with these guys, so don't listen to me, lol...I'm Mr. Piss Off the Mods...I poke, I prod, I speak my mind as best and as often as I can, and I don't tolerate intolerance, but I do try to lay by their rules. Feel free to PM any one of these guys, and take your argument offline. They are very good about that (which reminds me Ouch...I STILL owe you a reply from way back, lol...don't think I forgot :001_smile)

Yes I understand that. That is the way it works everywhere, I guess.

I think I am being misunderstood if you think I am trying to win a battle here. In my mind it is not "me verses them". There is no right or wrong answers here and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I just want to gauge what that opinion is.

That's why I started this and why I want as many people to chime in as possible. What does the COMMUNITY think?

[GoldenMonkey]

I know what a straw man is, I was just making a general comment that it's not all that constructive to say things that we know will offend and then get mad at those who get offended. It's a two-way street.


That's a much better point, and one with which I can do nothing but agree.

Yes to both of you guys here, lol. I'm sure we've all found ourselves at some point arguing just for it's own sake, being upset about things we couldn't care less about, etc. I don't think this entire thread went the way ANYBODY intended...it sort of became a freeform discussion about...about...um...

[Mark5-9]

Yes to both of you guys here, lol. I'm sure we've all found ourselves at some point arguing just for it's own sake, being upset about things we couldn't care less about, etc. I don't think this entire thread went the way ANYBODY intended...it sort of became a freeform discussion about...about...um...

Free speech?

[Obsessed]

Translation: I'm blowing steam and have no chance of winning.

Hey . . . :mad::wink:

[wundergussy]

Wow, I started reading this and was going to post about things that are offensive to me, but apparently this has become thread drama. Now I will awkwardly back out of the room.

(For the record, I am offended by jokes about English food. I love me a Ploughman's!)

[marvin100]

Now I will awkwardly back out of the room.

That's offensive. Please only walk in the direction you're facing, at least while I'm on the Internet at work.

[Obsessed]

Wow, I started reading this and was going to post about things that are offensive to me, but got caught up in the thread drama. Now I will awkwardly back out of the room.

Don't back out. You might bump into something and start cussing.

[GoldenMonkey]

Free speech?

LOL...that's one arguement you WON'T win...there is no free speech here. Well, let me clarify...there is, so long as it is not inciteful, hostile, negative, condescending, hurtful, or has anything to do with casting Art in a negative light. Although I STILL feel that a vote for Art is a vote for tyranny...

[Mark5-9]

Wow, I started reading this and was going to post about things that are offensive to me, but apparently this has become thread drama. Now I will awkwardly back out of the room.

(For the record, I am offended by jokes about English food. I love me a Ploughman's!)

Don't go now. This is just getting interesting. Here, I'll start a new drama with you.

Ploughmans are rubbish!!!

Cummon, put up your dukes...:biggrin:

[wundergussy]

That's offensive. Please only walk in the direction you're facing, at least while I'm on the Internet at work.

Hooray! Now I'm involved!

[TimmyBoston]

Free speech?

This is a private forum. There is no guarantee of free speech here. We have rules. I'm sorry if you don't like that, but the rules aren't optional here. You do not have the right to offend others. You want to cuss your head off, go ahead and cuss your head off, but do it somewhere else.

[Stubblefield]

Swearing is ungentlemanly, tasteless, and unnecessary. It is the calling card of the crude and unrefined. And I simply can't think of a time or situation when it is actually necessary (or appropriate) to swear.

Now if you want to "cuss", by all means, go ahead. I'm not stopping you.

[GoldenMonkey]

I can't believe it took three whole pages before the bouncer showed up...

[GoldenMonkey]

Swearing is ungentlemanly, tasteless, and unnecessary. It is the calling card of the crude and unrefined. And I simply can't think of a time or situation when it is actually necessary (or appropriate) to swear.

Now if you want to swear, by all means, go ahead. I'm not stopping you.

It's never necessary, but it can feel very cathartic. Give it a try some time...perhaps at your next toe stubbing or twisted ankle. :thumbup1:

[marvin100]

Swearing is ungentlemanly, tasteless, and unnecessary. It is the calling card of the crude and unrefined. And I simply can't think of a time or situation when it is actually necessary (or appropriate) to swear.

Now if you want to "cuss", by all means, go ahead. I'm not stopping you.

Intolerance of cultural, socio-economic, and linguistic difference is a far greater "calling card of the crude and unrefined," nowadays, actually.

Samuel L. Jackson's wonderful career, for example, would be impoverished without the choice expletive, as would the scathing social criticism in the comedy of the late Bill Hicks.

ON EDIT:
That said, I'm not at all arguing that B&B should allow cussing. Clearly the community founders & mods don't want it here, and that's how it should be.

[GoldenMonkey]

Bill Hicks, George Carlin, Charles Bukowski, Lenny Bruce, Richard Pryor, Frank Zappa, Adam Sandler...wait...where was I going with this?

[Mark5-9]

This is a private forum. There is no guarantee of free speech here. We have rules. I'm sorry if you don't like that, but the rules aren't optional here. You do not have the right to offend others. You want to cuss your head off, go ahead and cuss your head off, but do it somewhere else.


I do. My blog. remember?

[Jasonian]

I'm pretty open-minded about language. There is a time and place where "cussing" is appropriate, and times when it is not.

I don't mind when someone inserts an occasional four-letter word into their speech, but it irks me when they use a stream of foul language to camouflage the fact that they have nothing to say.

Sounds like a lot of stand-up "comedy". It's not funny. It's just foul. A string of cursing isn't a joke. It's intended to stand out and make you laugh for shock value, not because there is any creative wit being put to use.

[marvin100]

It's intended to stand out and make you laugh for shock value

Is anybody under 70 "shocked" by cussing?

[GoldenMonkey]

For what it's worth...not one "cuss word" has been uttered this entire thread, either directly or implied. Not one argument has broken out, nor has there been anything but open honest discussion. I applaud all of you gents. Top class, you @$#%&@#ers!

I kid. None of you are ACTUALLY "@$#%&@#ers". There is no such thing. I made it up. The symbols in that "word" do not indicate actual letters. Please, continue...:lol::lol:

[Mr. Igg]

I'm seriously procrastinating more work yet tonight, and if I don't wrench myself away fromm here, I'm going to find out other ways to get fired from my job.

So I'll simply endorse, probably to the every-single-word-level (without actually going back and reading every single word again), everything Jay, Paul, Jon & Shane have said. And that endorsement has zero to do with any authority, real or perceived.

[GoldenMonkey]

So I'll simply endorse, probably to the every-single-word-level (without actually going back and reading every single word again), everything Jay, Paul, Jon & Shane have said. And that endorsement has zero to do with any authority, real or perceived.

Way to take a stand. :thumbup1:

Personally, I endorse everything John, Paul, George, and Ringo ever said. Goo goo g'joob g'goo goo g'joob.
Goo goo g'joob g'goo goo g'joob g'goo.

[Jasonian]

Is anybody under 70 "shocked" by cussing?

I am 25, and while I am not shocked by it, I think that without shock value it has lost its purpose.

I'm inclined to agree with Stubblefield about the "merits" of cursing. The question isn't about the words themselves, but rather, about the intentions behind their use. Are they ever truly noble?

[marvin100]

Sure, sometimes, just like any other words. When I see a long-lost friend, I'm apt to approach him with a bear hug and the phrase "My mother*expletive deleted*!"

[Mark5-9]

I kind of think the four letter word is the exclamation point of our generation...:tongue:

[TimmyBoston]

I do. My blog. remember?

Your blog is fine, you can do and post whatever you want on your blog. But what I'm curious about is why you keep mentioning your blog?

[Mark5-9]

Your blog is fine, you can do and post whatever you want on your blog. But what I'm curious about is why you keep mentioning your blog?

Because, if you read the first post, thats what kicked this whole thing off. Someone clicked on the link, got offended and messaged me to complain. Which was fine.

What I wanted to find out was if he was in the minority or the majority of people that felt that way about swearing. Thats all it was!

[Jasonian]

I kind of think the four letter word is the exclamation point of our generation...:tongue:

What's "our" generation?

I consider the exclamation point to be the exclamation point of my generation.

[tblech]

I lost interest about half way down the first page of this thread. I also sware like a sailor, acctually like a bunch of factory working women, but I do try to limit myself while here. I don't think it has any business in trying to get a point accross in the written form, although an explanitive or two while conversing orally is sometime helpful.

[GoldenMonkey]

If nothing else, the blog is worth it SOLELY for the "monkey swordfight" picture...it's my new desktop.



Oh, by the way everyone(:a30:)...I was talking to Brayden, Chazz, Jimbo, Schuyler, Ethan, Tony the Moose, No-Neck, Po!t'ch'(click), Willy, Biff, Samson, Elephant Joe, Nickles the Monkey, Doctor Jamboree, Skiv, Kevin the Atom Smasher, Charles, and Slamdance the other day...and well...you know how THOSE guys can get...especially Doctor Jamboree...anyway, we all decided that we were gonna form our OWN little club, and none of you guys would be allowed in our fort, so :001_tt2:neenerneenerneener:001_tt2:...



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[Jasonian]

Because, if you read the first post, thats what kicked this whole thing off. Someone clicked on the link, got offended and messaged me to complain. Which was fine.

What I wanted to find out was if he was in the minority or the majority of people that felt that way about swearing. Thats all it was!

On that note, what you do is your own business, and I am not in any position to tell you what you can or cannot do.

But personally, I tend to lean towards the ~"cussing" side rather than the "cussing" side.

[SRock]

You know something? I'm no moderator. I'm not an owner of the website, I have nothing to do with how it's run, I don't even contribute money to it. What I am is someone that's spent the past three years or so here, and I've learned that I, along with many, many others, are seriously tired or the argument-for-the-sake-of-argument. Straw man, point-counterpoint, it's old, tired, and dead.

It started off with political discussion. People couldn't keep their pants on about that, so they started flaming like mad forgetting that it was the internet and no one really cared. I remember Badger & Blade back when there wasn't a mass influx of people who sat behind keyboards picking people's words apart. It's not the same forum now, and it's because there's people on this forum that, to this day, see this place as somewhere to argue. It isn't.

This forum is under the jurisdiction of moderators. Moderators that don't get paid for what they do, moderators that allow this site to run free of charge for anyone who wants to join it. Is it really too much to ask for those of us members who value the site to just stop arguing and accept what is? I don't get it. I really don't get what's so hard about it anymore.

Anyone that would read this post might think that I've gone a little tangential with it all, and that's fine. All I know is that this forum and the rules by which it's governed aren't forced upon anyone, and if you think it's too nanny-state or heavy-handed for you to tolerate, the out door works just as well as the in door.

Well said Shane! We all join here and we all know there are rules. Why must certain people always test those rules? Why put Moderators in a position where they have to consider blocking/banning you when you already know in advance what the rules are.

This is a gentleman’s forum. It's simple, let’s keep it gentlemanly.


Fair point. But who measures what is offensive? For a site to be considered offensive I would say it would have to be objectionable to the average member of the community. I personally do not fine swearing, in itself, to be offensive.

But perhaps I'm not "average". Thats why I've posed the question.

On the B&B that answer is simple, the owners/moderators. The rules are established. It shouldn't be a shock to anyone. It doesn't matter what one person finds offensive what matters are the rules in place on this particular forum. If one wants to remain a member in good standing they follow the rules, agree with them or not.


This is a private forum. There is no guarantee of free speech here. We have rules. I'm sorry if you don't like that, but the rules aren't optional here. You do not have the right to offend others. You want to cuss your head off, go ahead and cuss your head off, but do it somewhere else.


+1

To be perfectly honest and fair to the OP this is my answer to your post/question at hand:

I think that linking to material that doesn't meet the rules of this forum is no different than posting that material here. If your blog does not meet the decency requirements of the B&B stop linking to it. It doesn't matter if we like it, agree with it, disagree or despise it. Many of us may enjoy what you have to say, myself included, but that doesn't matter. What does matter is what is in good taste by the measure of this forums rules.

[DefaultAnon]

This is a gentlemanly internet forum, if there ever was such a thing. A large part of that, I feel, is a certain amount of lightheartedness and fun. While in depth discussions on the sexual promiscuity of another member's mother should be avoided, the occasion good natured ribbing and swearing should be taken in jest and chalked up to "boys being boys"
this is how i feel. but then again, cussing doesnt bother me and i rarely give the "potty mouthed" behaviors of others a second thought.

[Austin]

Gents, this thread has run it's course. I am locking it. Thank you.