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tantousha
04-02-2009, 07:01 PM
Hey guys,

I just got a sampler pack (thanks ntguy!) in the mail today. Included in the pack were some Derbys, SuperMax Super Platinum, and some green (Russian-made right?) Gillette 7 O'Clock blades. It also came with a pack of Blue Bird blades which I can't find anything about. The only other thing it says on the package is "Chromium-Ceramic-Tungsten-Platinum and Polymer Coated Edges" which sounds like they slapped on every element they could find on the Periodic table (not sure how useful that is) and "Hi-Stainless Blades". Anyone familiar with these things?

Prince
04-02-2009, 07:06 PM
pics?

tantousha
04-02-2009, 08:04 PM
Duh. Can't believe I forgot to post pics...

They come in a similar package to Derby blades (white plastic with a cardboard sign inside). Single wrapped with a couple spots of glue. Blades and package don't contain any sort of manufacturing information.

Commander Quan
04-02-2009, 08:45 PM
The 3 & 4 on the corners seam to be the same as the numbers that are on Derbys, and the packaging is similar. Perhaps a new brand from the factory that manufacturers Derby's in Turkey?

Prince
04-02-2009, 08:46 PM
I've seen a lot of blade, but this is a first.

Prince
04-02-2009, 08:48 PM
I've seen a lot of blade, but this is a first.

Any other blade they can compare to?



Edit: I guess I did hit submit twice.

mmack66
04-02-2009, 08:57 PM
How do they shave?

SRock
04-02-2009, 08:59 PM
Haven't seen these before.

TheBigL
04-03-2009, 02:54 AM
The "Chromium-Ceramic-Tungsten-Platinum and Polymer Coated Edges" sounds very derby like.

tantousha
04-03-2009, 07:33 AM
I'll load one up later today and let you guys know how it shaves. I started out with Derbys and am currently using an IP, so that's all I can compare it with.

Dubbya
04-03-2009, 07:37 AM
Hey guys,
... "Chromium-Ceramic-Tungsten-Platinum and Polymer Coated Edges" which sounds like they slapped on every element they could find on the Periodic table...

Sounds like all they missed was Iridium for the typical hard coatings on sharp things. That and the kitchen sink.:lol:

RichGem
04-03-2009, 07:38 AM
Sounds like all they missed was Iridium for the typical hard coatings on sharp things. That and the kitchen sink.:lol:

That's what they made the blades out of. :wink:

Something about the shape of the blades reminds me of KAIs altho they come with no markings on them at all. Any idea as to the origin of these babies?

senorsignor
04-03-2009, 07:41 AM
Having a materials science background, I really am curious how they implement ALL of those things in one coating. That goes for the Derbys as well. Especially the polymer...can't see how a polymer coating would be good for making something hard and sharp.

Dubbya
04-03-2009, 06:54 PM
Having a materials science background, I really am curious how they implement ALL of those things in one coating. That goes for the Derbys as well. Especially the polymer...can't see how a polymer coating would be good for making something hard and sharp.

The polymers are usually over the hard plating for extra lubrication to reduce edge wear and increase blade smoothness.

rainman
06-04-2009, 08:35 PM
+10 for them being Derby's.

tantousha
06-05-2009, 09:33 PM
I found them to pretty much be identical to Derbys, which for me means each blade was hit or miss and they just don't shave as close as I'd like. That said, I gave them to my fiancee who can't put them down. YMMV I guess.

bearbear
06-15-2009, 07:11 PM
Hey guys,

I just got a sampler pack (thanks ntguy!) in the mail today. Included in the pack were some Derbys, SuperMax Super Platinum, and some green (Russian-made right?) Gillette 7 O'Clock blades. It also came with a pack of Blue Bird blades which I can't find anything about. The only other thing it says on the package is "Chromium-Ceramic-Tungsten-Platinum and Polymer Coated Edges" which sounds like they slapped on every element they could find on the Periodic table (not sure how useful that is) and "Hi-Stainless Blades". Anyone familiar with these things?


How do they shave?


The "Chromium-Ceramic-Tungsten-Platinum and Polymer Coated Edges" sounds very derby like.

My new favourites, consistent good shaves, sharper and smoother than a derby imo.

I've started hoarding.

check out my review of them and be sure to throw in you .02 cents gents.

http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php?t=93983

Topgumby
06-15-2009, 07:21 PM
I just got a five pack in a trade...might be awhile before I get a review in as I'm still giving the Sharks a workout.

melyus
06-16-2009, 02:04 AM
Hi My Friends,
I would like to help about Blue Bird Blades. As you know im located where Derby Blades are producing in Turkey so i talked with Company of derby about bluebirds blades for you.
The Answer was that:Yes Definetely bluebirds producing same factory of Derby and everything is same except logo and brand. Bluebirds brand is registered a company From United Arab Emirates.Derby producing these blades for this company.So they are same blades..
Regards.

SRock
06-16-2009, 05:26 AM
Hi My Friends,
I would like to help about Blue Bird Blades. As you know im located where Derby Blades are producing in Turkey so i talked with Company of derby about bluebirds blades for you.
The Answer was that:Yes Definetely bluebirds producing same factory of Derby and everything is same except logo and brand. Bluebirds brand is registered a company From United Arab Emirates.Derby producing these blades for this company.So they are same blades..
Regards.

Thanks for the info! :cool:

Jethro1984
07-06-2009, 07:50 PM
Hi My Friends,
I would like to help about Blue Bird Blades. As you know im located where Derby Blades are producing in Turkey so i talked with Company of derby about bluebirds blades for you.
The Answer was that:Yes Definetely bluebirds producing same factory of Derby and everything is same except logo and brand. Bluebirds brand is registered a company From United Arab Emirates.Derby producing these blades for this company.So they are same blades..
Regards.

Thanks for the info. I like them so maybe I should give Derby's a try.

tlanning
07-06-2009, 08:40 PM
Definitely different from what I remember of Derby.

This blade gave me an unusual shave to say the least.
No irratation at all, bbs and lasted longer than I wanted to use it. Thats the strange part. Delivered a top notch shave but required a great deal of effort on my part. Not an enjoyable shave for me but the end result was as good as any! I'm not going to try and find out but I kinda wonder what you'd have to do to get irratation from this blade.
Like I said, very strange

Topgumby
07-06-2009, 09:12 PM
Definitely different from what I remember of Derby.

This blade gave me an unusual shave to say the least.
No irratation at all, bbs and lasted longer than I wanted to use it. Thats the strange part. Delivered a top notch shave but required a great deal of effort on my part. Not an enjoyable shave for me but the end result was as good as any! I'm not going to try and find out but I kinda wonder what you'd have to do to get irratation from this blade.
Like I said, very strange

I have found this blade to be unusual also, and as tlanning said, the end result was quite good, but getting there seemed a little ragged, in a hard to describe way. It's not like the blade is dull, far from it, but the shaves it gave were not glide rides.

If the Bluebird was a pistol, it would be a Glock. From a technical standpoint, it reliably delivers rounds downrange, but even though I can tear the center out of the target with it I'd be more inclined to reach for something with a little more fun factor to do the same job.

Not a bad blade at all, and if I had money riding on the end result of a shave a Bluebird would sure be a sound choice, but I get results just as good with other blades that seem to move more smoothly over my ugly mug.

TheBigL
07-07-2009, 03:56 AM
I have only tried one blade so far, the first shave was a great DFS. The second shave had a day in between and was the worst, most irritated DE shave I have ever had.

HOWEVER, I am not blaming the blade...yet. I know I was having a bad lather day and the shelf I keep my razors hanging from had been jostled. It was very possible that the blade edge had been damaged.

I will continue to try them in different razors and we'll see from there.

Also, about the possible Derby link: perhaps Derby junked some old equipment and someone picked it out of the dumpster. The blades are getting the same coatings, but the machine is not calibrated the same, hence the non-Derby like shaves. Just a thought! :biggrin1:

antdad1969
07-07-2009, 07:46 AM
Hi My Friends,
I would like to help about Blue Bird Blades. As you know im located where Derby Blades are producing in Turkey so i talked with Company of derby about bluebirds blades for you.
The Answer was that:Yes Definetely bluebirds producing same factory of Derby and everything is same except logo and brand. Bluebirds brand is registered a company From United Arab Emirates.Derby producing these blades for this company.So they are same blades..
Regards.

So we got melyus here who's told us the origins of Bluebird is that they are Derby's but repackaged and then there's ntguy who says he mailed Derby and they didn't know what he was takling about.

I believe both of them and reading the results claimed by users of Bluebirds I would say that was familiar with Derby users. Some get great shaves and some don't but one thing they seem to be is fairly inconsistant.

jangozo
07-07-2009, 01:00 PM
So we got melyus here who's told us the origins of Bluebird is that they are Derby's but repackaged and then there's ntguy who says he mailed Derby and they didn't know what he was takling about.

I believe both of them and reading the results claimed by users of Bluebirds I would say that was familiar with Derby users. Some get great shaves and some don't but one thing they seem to be is fairly inconsistant.

So basically they ARE Derby's and there's no point in digging them up from remote places of the internet to give them a try, when we can just order a normal Derby's pack instead?

Has anybody tried both?

Thanks

r0ckrat
07-07-2009, 01:30 PM
The 3 & 4 on the corners seam to be the same as the numbers that are on Derbys, and the packaging is similar. Perhaps a new brand from the factory that manufacturers Derby's in Turkey?

I've seen that on other blades as well, with a corresponding 1 & 2 on the other side. As if they expected you to use each edge in succession, and flipping the blade over in the razor to increase life.

Do these blades have printing on the flip side?

Commander Quan
07-07-2009, 02:20 PM
The numbers on the blades are for manufacturing purposes and are not meant to have a use for the shaver. If you want to use them to shave buy that's up to you but that is not the intention.

tlanning
07-07-2009, 07:48 PM
I have one, (1) sealed 5 pack of Bluebirds for someone who hasn't tried them and would like to. I won't be using them anytime soon. :biggrin:
Shoot me an address, (PM) and there yours

slickster514
07-14-2009, 05:33 AM
The box of Bluebird says 'Made In Europe'
Is Turkey reall considered as part of Europe?

TheBigL
07-14-2009, 05:52 AM
The box of Bluebird says 'Made In Europe'
Is Turkey reall considered as part of Europe?

From wikipedia:

"Turkey is a transcontinental[59] Eurasian country. Asian Turkey (made up largely of Anatolia), which includes 97% of the country, is separated from European Turkey by the Bosporus, the Sea of Marmara, and the Dardanelles (which together form a water link between the Black Sea and the Mediterranean). European Turkey (eastern Thrace or Rumelia in the Balkan peninsula) includes 3% of the country.[60]"

They could be made there and considered Made in Europe, but only in a small part of Turkey. Derby's factory is in Istanbul, which is in the European part.

Jaybird180
08-04-2009, 05:15 PM
I found this link because I wanted more info. I have a pack of the same blades and am getting great results, especially considering my N00bness. I also have some Derby but have been averse to trying them due to the complaints I've heard of inconsistency.

The BB blades however seem to be different on each edge, but from blade to blade pretty consistent (I've used 2 sofar). It feels like one side is slightly more aggressive that the other.

I think I have experienced 2 good shaves and they were both with the Bluebird. Maybe my subjective measuring scale will change as I gain more experience, but she was happy with the feel of my face the following morning (I'm a night shaver).

Jaybird180
08-20-2009, 12:16 PM
I'd like to report that the Bluebird is my current blade of choice. Sadly though, this is skewed by the fact that I've only tried 2 other brands (don't recall which at the moment). The blade does seem to last a long time as reported earlier.

Honestly, I'm afraid to try something else as I'd like to keep some consistency in my routine for the moment, while I'm learning. With the time that it takes before I toss a blade and considering that I have only used 3 or 4, it will be awhile before my 10 pack is done.

callmesubtle
09-06-2009, 11:49 AM
Hi Guys,

I've been shaving with a de edge over the last three months and I can safely say from just smoothness of shave and sharpness that my derby extra blades do not compare to my bluebirds. Where the derbys irritate my skin the bluebirds don't. I would recommend to all derby extra users to give bluebirds a try.

mainaman
09-06-2009, 12:01 PM
when I was shopping for razor blades I went to the review section and saw those had good revies.
I bought mine from here
http://bestgroomingtools.com/razor-blades-c-83.html

can say they shave very well , smooth and easy.

Jaybird180
09-06-2009, 12:09 PM
I tried Derby. BB and Derby are NOT the same blade. The Derby's will cut me and I don't even know that I'm cut until I see blood seeping through my next lathering. I also easily cut my upper lip. That one I did see (and feel). The nick is still there several days later.


Still trying more blades...today I think it will be Gilette 7'Oclock.

thadoggfather
09-14-2009, 02:18 PM
@ntguy, why is it not possible for you to trace where the bluebirds are produced, i mean... you sell them so you have to buy them somewhere, if not directly from the producer, then the person you buy them from should know where he bought them, etc... so in the end is the producer !!???

thadoggfather
10-26-2009, 08:01 AM
Could somebody compare the Bluebirds with "Iridium Supers" and/or "Gilette Seven o Clock" yellow (SharpEdge) ? They are all consired very sharp, almost as sharp as feathers...
Wich of the three do you like best and think is sharper/smoother/lasts longer ??

gaj90027
10-26-2009, 11:28 AM
BlueBirds were just a touch sharper and smoother for me in my Feather Portable compared to the Gillette Yellow's. I have not tried Iridium Supers yet.

beaker
10-26-2009, 11:46 AM
Iridiums and 7 O'clock yellows along with Astra Superiors are my favourite blades.

Bluebirds don't even come close in my opinion.

But remember YMMV.

nmerth
10-26-2009, 04:40 PM
I have been buying Bluebirds from Ntguy for about two months now. They are in my opinion second only to Feather. They are an incredibly nice smooth blade and maybe slightly less scary! They are smooth and run through my thick course hairs like hot knife through soft butter. Ive tried Astra Superior as well and these (the BlueBirds)are way way better and smoother. They make Derbys look like a blade youve used for a couple weeks. Give these a try! and by the way...NTGUY is an awesome EBAY seller and always has free shipping. He ships fast and responds to communication ASAP. And don't be surprised if you find a freebie every once in a while. Especially if you make multiple orders like some guy I know:tongue:

gaj90027
10-26-2009, 08:14 PM
I have been buying Bluebirds from Ntguy for about two months now. They are in my opinion second only to Feather. They are an incredibly nice smooth blade and maybe slightly less scary! They are smooth and run through my thick course hairs like hot knife through soft butter. Ive tried Astra Superior as well and these (the BlueBirds)are way way better and smoother. They make Derbys look like a blade youve used for a couple weeks. Give these a try! and by the way...NTGUY is an awesome EBAY seller and always has free shipping. He ships fast and responds to communication ASAP. And don't be surprised if you find a freebie every once in a while. Especially if you make multiple orders like some guy I know:tongue:

Sounds like we are on the same path as far as blades go (#1 Feather, #2 BlueBird). Have you tried Astra Platinum yet? They are tied with the BlueBird for me. :biggrin:

nmerth
10-26-2009, 08:51 PM
Have you tried Astra Platinum yet? They are tied with the BlueBird for me. :biggrin:

Yes thats what I meant when I said Astra Superior (Platinum) They really felt sharp at first...but I felt like the edge deteriorated quickly and I ended up with some BURN!

Lionel106
10-27-2009, 05:56 PM
I've been using Bluebirds in a Gillette flair tip. I like them.

Bit2
10-27-2009, 08:48 PM
If they are made in the same factory as the Derby that would be a shock. :eek:
These Blue Birds shave closer to a feather than the hair ripping Derby.

Just my 2 cents,

John

dmachine
10-28-2009, 04:35 AM
Blue Birds are my second favorite razor blades - Feather being #1.

redbike
10-30-2009, 10:41 AM
I've shaved with a lot of Derbys, trying them out in many of my 40+ Gillette razors, because they're an inexpensive blade. I just tried a Bluebird blade and really doubt it's the same blade as the Derby. It feels noticeably sharper and smoother than the Derby, and I like Derbys.

I just put in an order for 100 of the Bluebirds - to alternate with my 150 Derbys.

jgjoneslaw
10-30-2009, 10:54 AM
I have to second the notion that these are not the same as derby's. I don't think my technique drastically improved within the span of 2 shaves and my bluebird shave gave me zero burn while I suffered from a bit of burn with the derby.

Swampfox
10-30-2009, 12:23 PM
Bluebirds and Derbys are definitely different from my standpoint. The Bluebirds were murder. While the Derby isn't as good as others I have tried so far, they still haven't met my hopes for them.

sandmountainslim
10-31-2009, 05:01 PM
Yo Ray!! (swampfox),

I noticed you ain't flying the Ivory Club colours anymore ........Are you tryin' to back out on The Posse? :mad:

The Ivory Club is blood to blood and bone to bone! Once you in there is no "out". You dig??.


Thread Hijack now over :biggrin:
Wp

Topgumby
10-31-2009, 05:55 PM
I'm sure Bluebirds work like a charm for those that like them.

They sure look like Derbies, are packaged like Derbies, and who cares? If I got good shave with 'em, I wouldn't care if they were made by Oompa Loompas in Oompa Loompaland, or were made out of recycled Dorco rejects.

I found them to be a little rough for my tastes, but I'm certain it's a YMMV thing.

If you like them and they were made in the same plant as Derby, or a secret unnamed plant in Spain, would it matter?

dt_in_av
02-28-2010, 10:17 PM
I was told by the dealer they were made in Spain by a company that makes different unknown brands and he has exclusivity to sell them worldwide!...

Is there a name for this generic company in Spain?

Maul555
03-01-2010, 03:11 AM
So would it be safe to say that BlueBirds are comparable to the Derby Horizontal pack, which is pretty good... The virticle Derbys are what most people complain about when it comes to Derby problems...

PS: Thanks ntguy for my blade sampler!!!

xillion
03-01-2010, 03:19 AM
For me Blue Birds have performed much better than any Derby blade I have ever used, both horizontal and vertical packs. They are as good as Gillette Yellows and Iridium's but are half the price per 100. I keep them in the rotation because they are very smooth on my face and the quality is consistent. I have yet to find a bad one in the 8 packs I have gone through.

DE Shaver
03-01-2010, 03:49 AM
I to concur these blades are great and consider them one of the top 3 blades that I use.

mrscottishman
03-01-2010, 07:09 AM
I liked the one blue bird I have used so far, but you can't do much of a review on one blade. I asked the question myself "are these derbys repacked?" but the one I have used wouldn't be mistaken for a verticle derby in the razor. Much better IMHO. I put them so far here in just these three:

Kai
Blue Bird
Feather

I wouldn't buy another derby, so I didn't put them in the list. Old Schick platinums were one heck of a blade, I have three left. Walmart personnas will do if you have to.

Man, I just like a Kai and haven't got a bad one yet. Feathers are sharp but don't last for me. I want a blade that will stand up for 5 or more good shaves. I am not buying a bunch of Blue Birds yet on one blade like I did derby's. I am afraid we might get derby syndrome and wind up with some dud's. I will wait a while on them.

I am starting with a super iridium. I had a quick shave yesterday that was pretty good. I may have an Iridium, Kai, Bluebird, Yellow 7 o'clock shave off to find my best of the blades favorite.

best,
mrscottishman

shamus
03-21-2010, 01:33 PM
I agree with you Mr. Scottishman.

KAI, Bluebirds and Feather's are some real nice blades. I also like the Gillette Yellow Russians, Gillette Black Indians - Super Platinum and the IP's. We agree on the Vertical Derby blades, I have never tried a horizontal one so I can't say anything about those blades. Those Schick Platinum Plus blades are real fine along with the Wilkinson Sword English blades. I really don't see what all the "Hoopla" is over the Gillette Spoiler. To me the Spoiler was just....a bad blade.

Tutti Frutti, Cheers :biggrin1:

Chester
03-22-2010, 09:33 AM
I tried my very first BlueBird blade last night, and it was a little more tuggy than I expected it to be -- it didn't grab, per se, but I did sense more resistance to the cut than with the iridiums I've been using over the last couple weeks. I'm going to try flipping the blade and see if the second shave is any better.
-- Chet

americanarmsdealer
03-22-2010, 12:46 PM
My first shave with a Bluebird wasn't exactly impressive, either. Loaded it up in my Fat Handle Tech expecting shaving bliss. It wasn't exactly a bad shave, but I even took more passes than usual, and it left all kinds of stubble behind. Didn't want to do more passes for fear of irritation. The next day, I loaded the exact same blade into my newly acquired Fatboy, set it to 3, and shaved away. Did my normal 3 passes, and then dialed down to 1 for some touch-up. Best shave I've ever had!! Repeated the same process the next day, with even better results. Repeat on day 3 for the Fatboy with even more superior results. Going for shave 5 on this blade today to see if it will get even better. I'm not sure if the blade gets that much better from shave to shave, if my technique is finally coming along that strongly, or if the Fatboy just likes the Bluebird blades way more than the Tech does. Has anyone else experienced such differing results from simply loading the same blade into another razor?

Jim B.
03-22-2010, 05:53 PM
I usually put a Blue Bird in any new razor I am trying. I do this because I find the Blue Birds to be reasonably sharp and smooth. I know how they have worked with other razors and that gives me a good way to evaluate the new razor.

shamus
03-22-2010, 06:05 PM
Some might say that these are similar to the Gillette Swedes or Blue's. I ordered some for a friend, who is in the VA Hospital, who says they are just like the Gillette Swedes. It seems that he won't shave with any other blade.

Tutti Frutti, Cheers.

coolbluewater
03-22-2010, 10:33 PM
I used one for the first time yesterday and second time today - BBS in 2 passes in a 40s SS. I put 'em right there with Feather, Gillette Yellows and red IPs.

DE Shaver
03-23-2010, 03:48 AM
Could somebody compare the Bluebirds with "Iridium Supers" and/or "Gilette Seven o Clock" yellow (SharpEdge) ? They are all consired very sharp, almost as sharp as feathers...
Wich of the three do you like best and think is sharper/smoother/lasts longer ??
I have used all three blades and would consider Blue Birds as smooth as either brand you have mentioned, maybe even smoother. They are sharp but I get a slightly better shave with the Super Iridium blade. However, I think the Blue Birds do a little better than the 7 O'Clock SharpEdge in terms of overall shave quality, although I get the impression the SharpEdge is a little sharper. We are talking about small differences in any case. Longevity is similar but again I give the nod to the Super Iridiums over the other two blades. Regardless, the Blue Birds are a great blade and perform above their pay grade.

kyo_clone
03-23-2010, 06:21 AM
blue birds , smooth and sharp . My favorite blade!

Chester
03-25-2010, 03:03 PM
After 2 shaves with the bluebird (same blade), I think I like iridiums better, as they seem to be smoother and give less irritation. I'm going to give bluebirds another couple shaves, though, just to make sure I try a second or third blade.

dalecooper51
06-16-2010, 08:43 AM
I tried a Blue Bird last night and it was the absolute worst shave I have had. It reminded me of dry shaving a 3 week growth with a month old mach 3 razor. Tossed the rest of the pack in the bin.

Chester
06-16-2010, 10:36 AM
Tossed the rest of the pack in the bin.

Sad. Would have been a nice PIF for someone else to try them. Oh well. I'd have taken them off your hands, but I just bought a couple hundred of them.
-- Chet

hdhaskell
07-27-2010, 06:24 AM
I have to say, I've read this thread over a couple of times and it sounds like bluebirds and Derbys really ARE identical. The evidence in favor is that:

1. They're "Made in Europe", which sounds evasive; and if they are in fact made in Istanbul then the manufacturer might want to use an evasion to make it sound like their product is German or British.

2. The box and razor appear to have been manufactured identically, from the markings on the blade to the box to the coatings.

3. At least one person claims to have verified this from the horse's mouth.

The evidence against is that:

1. NTguy's source claims that they come from Spain. Of course, NTguy's source might just be acting mysterious to prevent NTguy from going around him.

2. Several people have claimed that they get much better shaves with Bluebirds than with Derbies. Of course, lots of other factors play into this, so this could just be people's mileage varying.

Does anyone disagree?

BTW I'd be most interested to see what these two blades look like under a microscope, if anyone has the capability.

REALTORE!!!
07-27-2010, 09:30 AM
I have to say, I've read this thread over a couple of times and it sounds like bluebirds and Derbys really ARE identical. The evidence in favor is that:

1. They're "Made in Europe", which sounds evasive; and if they are in fact made in Istanbul then the manufacturer might want to use an evasion to make it sound like their product is German or British.

2. The box and razor appear to have been manufactured identically, from the markings on the blade to the box to the coatings.

3. At least one person claims to have verified this from the horse's mouth.

The evidence against is that:

1. NTguy's source claims that they come from Spain. Of course, NTguy's source might just be acting mysterious to prevent NTguy from going around him.

2. Several people have claimed that they get much better shaves with Bluebirds than with Derbies. Of course, lots of other factors play into this, so this could just be people's mileage varying.

Does anyone disagree?

BTW I'd be most interested to see what these two blades look like under a microscope, if anyone has the capability.

IMHO they are the same exact blades. I think it started as placebo effect type thing that made some think they were different. My face can tell no difference whatsoever.

demaro
07-27-2010, 11:51 AM
I like the Bluebirds and Derbies. They do shave very well for me. They do feel alike.

Shaving.ie
07-28-2010, 02:16 AM
Does anyone disagree?



Not at all... They are Derby blades.

tantousha
07-28-2010, 06:58 AM
I'll back it up as well. I was intrigued when I first got them and immediately noticed the similarities between them and Derbys... My face also acted the same with them. I must admit that I'm confused as to why the second brand exists...

DE Shaver
07-28-2010, 08:45 AM
Despite the spate of recent opinions to the contrary, these blades feel and shave differently to me. Even if they are made by the same manufacturer, that in of itself does not make them equivalent. Manufacturers can and do make different blades for various markets. However, the only way this debate can be reasonably settled is for someone to do a hone and grind analysis of each blade's edge.

awesomefunn
07-28-2010, 11:34 AM
^^^ isnt there a guy on another forum who does analysis like this? Perhaps someone has looked into this already.

DE Shaver
07-28-2010, 01:13 PM
^^^ isnt there a guy on another forum who does analysis like this? Perhaps someone has looked into this already.
It was in his "queue" of things to do but that was some months ago. If and when he gets around to it, the probable outcome is that the Blue Birds will be similar in grind and hone to Derbys, indicating they're made by the same manufacturer, but will have better finish and QC. I'm half tempted to do the analysis myself with my microscope.

hdhaskell
07-29-2010, 07:33 AM
^^^ isnt there a guy on another forum who does analysis like this? Perhaps someone has looked into this already.

You're probably thinking of Squire's blade reviews on shavemyface:

http://www.shavemyface.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29705

They're a great resource, but as far as I can tell he's never reviewed bluebirds.

Shaving.ie
07-29-2010, 09:01 AM
You're probably thinking of Squire's blade reviews on shavemyface:

http://www.shavemyface.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29705

They're a great resource, but as far as I can tell he's never reviewed bluebirds.

Not sure if he is still doing it... Hane not seen a new one in a while.

DE Shaver
07-29-2010, 10:05 AM
Not sure if he is still doing it... Hane not seen a new one in a while.

That's the gentleman I was referring to in my previous posts. He stated he would do a Blue Bird review but that was quite some time ago. I'm not sure if he's doing any more reviews, to be perfectly honest.

Sir Ronald
07-30-2010, 05:27 PM
had a marvelous shave with a Blue Bird in my HD just now. BBS, zero irritation. they're a great blade!

bladeruner
08-02-2010, 08:22 AM
Hey DE Shaver have you or. anyone for that matter used a BB in a slant. And if so how was it?

DE Shaver
08-02-2010, 06:26 PM
Hey DE Shaver have you or. anyone for that matter used a BB in a slant. And if so how was it?
I use Blue Birds all the time with my Merkur 39C and I've been getting excellent results.

bladeruner
08-02-2010, 09:04 PM
I use Blue Birds all the time with my Merkur 39C and I've been getting excellent results.

I saw your post in a Gillette super thin thread. Did you ever get around to try them and if so how would you compare those to the BB's?

zliv
08-03-2010, 12:48 AM
Tried the Blue birds an hour ago. I must say these are NOT like Derbys. They are much sharper. As sharp as Iridiums.

DE Shaver
08-03-2010, 06:56 PM
I saw your post in a Gillette super thin thread. Did you ever get around to try them and if so how would you compare those to the BB's?
Actually, I rather like them. I still prefer the Blue Birds but not by a wide margin. Just a touch less smooth and almost as sharp.

sandmountainslim
08-03-2010, 07:46 PM
I am using a BB this week for the first time and love it :thumbup1:
Sharp and smooth blades.

I rank it on par with Red Personna and Super Thin.
Wp

Baartel Van StratenShaven
08-03-2010, 08:05 PM
The Bluebirds were my first DE Blade and I get great shaves from them. The mystery of their origin only adds to thier mystique and this thread has developed a great entertainment value. They're sharp, sharp, sharp and the first shave had 10-15 weepers. My first ever DE shave with way too much pressure. They work in well and no cuts for 5 shaves with one blade and close shaves. I learned to use the blance point with no pressure. I've since used Astra Platinum and Personna Blue which are great as well, but I would say are not as shrp as the Bluebirds. IMHO as a Noob.:blush:

scottb
08-03-2010, 08:42 PM
Despite the spate of recent opinions to the contrary, these blades feel and shave differently to me.

+1.

It might be my head playing tricks with me, but I thought Derby's were so-so...reliable, but nothing special, while Bluebirds are my favorite right now. Factoring sharpness, smoothness and price they seem to be the all-around best (for me.)

bladeruner
08-03-2010, 10:23 PM
Actually, I rather like them. I still prefer the Blue Birds but not by a wide margin. Just a touch less smooth and almost as sharp.

The reason I ask is because I've been looking to try a new blade in my 37c and super thins are my current favorite. I'll give them a try. Thanks :thumbup1:

DE Shaver
08-03-2010, 10:29 PM
The reason I ask is because I've been looking to try a new blade in my 37c and super thins are my current favorite. I'll give them a try. Thanks :thumbup1:

I doubt you'll regret your decision. They're a good, serviceable blade. :thumbup1:

Shaving.ie
08-04-2010, 04:04 AM
I'm not sure if he's doing any more reviews, to be perfectly honest.

It’s a pity he never got round to doing the comparison. It would be interesting to see if in fact Derby did anything different when making them. My enquiries to Derby lead me to believe they were simply repackaged. For me they behave the same as a Derby... a good solid performer. If others are getting better results that is good to hear.

rainman
08-04-2010, 04:20 AM
Yes Bluebirds better than Derby's. Epecially better than the new Derby's.
http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php?t=143426&highlight=derby+vertical

The Bluebirds are sharper and smoother.

Wil Dorenbos
08-04-2010, 04:31 AM
It’s a pity he never got round to doing the comparison. It would be interesting to see if in fact Derby did anything different when making them. My enquiries to Derby lead me to believe they were simply repackaged. For me they behave the same as a Derby... a good solid performer. If others are getting better results that is good to hear.

For me there is a huge difference between Derby (bad) and BlueBird (good).

Baartel Van StratenShaven
08-05-2010, 10:41 AM
Any manufacturer can do private labels. Its just like Canadian Tire (Sears brand, if your Murkan) Brand Motor Oil, everybody knows it's made by *Esso (*Mobil, if your Murkan) but you'll never get any of them to admit it because it would be against their contracts and they'd be sued. Same with the Bluebirds: everybody knows, but there will never be proof.

*These are alleged facts and I in now way claim anything in this post to be true or factual. In fact it should probably be ignored completely as conspiracist tripe*:laugh: