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Ru4scuba?
02-26-2009, 06:00 AM
Well,

I recently got my puck of MWF from a fellow B&B member. Thanks BullGoose!

I thought I would post a quick "newb's" review of the stuff...I've read the hype, I've read the naysayers...I know there are some newb's looking for their next acquisition and contemplating this stuff.

I just finished my first shave with it...I figure I'll post this "one shave in" review and again after I've completed a full week of shaves with it.

Up til now, I've shaved with:
TOBS Almond Cream
Proraso Green Tub Soap
Col Conk's Amber Glycerine
TGQ - Desert Ironwood, Cavendish Black, Provenance Lavender, Highlander Cream, Oak Moss Cream

After a month of DE shaves (2 months of brush/quality cream and soap though) I felt prepared for my MWF experience.

First off, if you are contemplating a "first soap" MWF is not for you. It is a bit tricky to get the right lather. I practiced last night and again this morning. You have to have a pretty dry brush compared to other soaps and the soap puck itself should be lightly sprinkled with water. I brushed pretty vigorously on the puck and then lathered my face...gobs of lather. By the time the second pass came around though, the stuff needed a little tweak (which is fine...my month of other soaps taught me this). It took a little more work and a little more tweaking to get through pass 3 & 4.

That said, it offered a decent shave. If you are a scent guy, this stuff is NOT for you. Its a very mild, nice clean scent but nowhere near as robust as say TGQ Desert Ironwood. If you want to be "woken up" in the morning by the scent of your soap, look elsewhere.

After the shave, I finished with Proraso ASB and a Cold Towel. I can honestly say that my face feels different, and softer...which is really what this lanolin filled stuff is all about.

That said...after only one day of MWF shaving...IMHO if you're a brand new newb with no soap experience, give yourself a month with something more forgiving before buying MWF. If you're a more experienced newb...by all means try it out! I'm guessing as time goes on, I'm really going to love this stuff.

adamant
02-26-2009, 06:00 AM
good luck with the future shaves!

Gruder
02-26-2009, 08:45 AM
Nice review. I think you're right in that the face feel is a key component of MWF once mastered. I own and use MWF, but it doesn't come up in the rotation as often because of its' relative lack of scent (there is a scent, of course, but it's not something that one would come to specifically crave, IMHO). Still, I'll have to give it another go in the next couple of days in honor of your fine review.

SepticTank
02-26-2009, 08:52 AM
First off, if you are contemplating a "first soap" MWF is not for you. It is a bit tricky to get the right lather.

I still don't get this - it was my first soap and right out of the blocks I got huge quantities of good cushioning lather. As I'm not one for creating washing up, I'm a face latherer - maybe that's where I'm "going wrong with going wrong" with MWF :confused: (or perhaps I'm not trying hard enough to make it go wrong) :surrender:

markb
02-26-2009, 09:37 AM
I use this under the 'Kent' brand... Love it! Not much of a scent but the lather is extraordinary!

Scorpio
02-26-2009, 02:42 PM
I still don't get this - it was my first soap and right out of the blocks I got huge quantities of good cushioning lather. As I'm not one for creating washing up, I'm a face latherer - maybe that's where I'm "going wrong with going wrong" with MWF :confused: (or perhaps I'm not trying hard enough to make it go wrong) :surrender:

I agree. I have never had a problem lathering MWF. Now, If I used a "pretty dry brush" as stated in the OP, I would have all sorts of problems. No water, no lather. I am also a face latherer, I load the wet brush with soap by swirling on the soap a few times then I go to my face and there I create enough thick and moisturizing lather to last for several passes. I still don't get it with the lathering problem. But maybe the lack of water in the brush and soaking the soap prior to use have something to do with your soap performance. Or the "hard water" issue.

Raf

Antique Hoosier
02-26-2009, 03:37 PM
Thanks to your great review,...... Im using MWF tomorrow morning.... I love the stuff!

drumana
02-26-2009, 05:03 PM
I'm guessing as time goes on, I'm really going to love this stuff.

The wonders of Mitchell's Wool Fat SS really begin to show themselves after continued use...

I used my MWF this morning, and it was an extraordinary shave:cool:

BullGoose
02-26-2009, 05:14 PM
I can honestly say that my face feels different, and softer...which is really what this lanolin filled stuff is all about. I'm guessing as time goes on, I'm really going to love this stuff.

I hope you end up loving the MWF. After your comprehensive review, I know what I'm using for tomorrow's shave. :biggrin:

Ru4scuba?
02-26-2009, 05:37 PM
I've read the hard water effects on MWF. I have hard water here in our townhome and I'm thinking that it probably affects it some. Like I said, I got gobs of lather out of a bowl (not the face)...but it did dry in the bowl after pass 1 and then again (and more so) after pass 2 and 3. That was the reason behind my suggestion of it being a slightly difficult lather.

Again, keep in mind...I prefaced my review by saying that it was my first shave with the stuff...give me a week and I'll finish my post with more data.

andrew98
02-26-2009, 08:03 PM
A pump of Kiss My Face (peach in my case) will fix MWS's frangrance issue. I've switched from creams to soaps, so I just use my creams to "flavor" MWF now.

-Andy

The Seeker
02-27-2009, 08:06 AM
I have never had a problem lathering MWF. Now, If I used a "pretty dry brush" as stated in the OP, I would have all sorts of problems. No water, no lather.

I agree with the wet brush technique.

I give my brush a gentle shake after soaking then move to the puck and really work it for at least thirty seconds. I then move to my face and lather for a good couple of minutes, adding drops of water as needed to the brush. I never fail to produce mountains of lathery goodness.

Antique Hoosier
02-27-2009, 08:34 AM
I never fail to produce mountains of lathery goodness.

I did just that this morning with MWF. WOW! What a great lather...and I personally like the unique scent!

markb
02-27-2009, 08:36 AM
and I personally like the unique scent!
Same here.. Pleasant but non-intrusive.

scottydoint
02-27-2009, 08:45 PM
Same here.. Pleasant but non-intrusive.

Same here as well. I love the clean smell.

Jim
02-27-2009, 09:05 PM
MWF is a pretty soft soap and can dry out, especially in the winter time. Throw a shot glass or two of warm water on it tonight and see what you have in the morning.:001_smile

pj_rage
03-02-2009, 05:29 AM
Can anyone compare MWF to Tabac for me? MWF is on my short list of next to try, and I just tried tabac for the first time this morning. It's my first tallow based soap. For soaps I've tried trumper's, HBS, mama bear, TOBS, SCS, and col conk, but none left my face feeling like tabac did. Very interestingly soft. Like, it was nice and slick to shave with, but dried out very fast. By the time I did both cheeks and was moving to the neck, my cheeks were literally dry, and soft, so I could grab them to stretch for the neck. I've never been able to do this with any other soap as they are always still wet and slick. The lather that was not in areas I shave, like under my ears and the very bottom of my neck dried out so fast too, you could see it was dried and cracking in between passes. Very interesting stuff. I really did like the feel of my face when I was done though. The only bad thing, and it's not that bad, is that it dries so fast that it's interesting for doing touchup. Normally I can touchup most areas without relathering, but with the tabac I HAD to touch up because otherwise I was shaving dry. Is MWF a lot like this?

Bertilak
03-02-2009, 08:47 AM
Can anyone compare MWF to Tabac for me?

Partly.

I had my first MWF shave a couple of days ago but that was with a two-day blade on its third day. :001_smile So, I will need to try again. But first, I need to recalibrate my expectations by going back to my standby Tabac with a new blade then re-do the MWF.

I can say that despite rumors of difficulty lathering that was not the case with me. Lathered up just fine, and quickly too.

Ru4scuba?
03-02-2009, 11:53 AM
Havent tried Tabac...so unfortunately, I can't compare.

I'm on my third day of MWF...going to wait til Friday this week to finish this thread out. As the days have gone on though, my lathering technique is markedly improved with this soap.

I've also switched to face lathering this week...which may have helped!

Mooncalf
03-02-2009, 01:48 PM
I have been using both Tabac and Kent branded MWF. I can summarize the experience thusly: Tabac gives it up easily (lather that is), MWF makes you work for it.

My first experience with Kent soap was unerwhelming. I used a Kent BK4 brush, and tried to bowl lather. I did get lather, but it seemed a bit dry. Adding obviously (in hindsight) too much water, and the lather disintegrated into nothingness. OK, start again... Less water this time I note. Lather appeared, though lubricating enough to get the job done, it felt thin and not very creamy.

Second day... Time for my old standy brush: EJ BBB. Approached the puck with a soaked then shaken out brush (as the tutorial (http://wiki.badgerandblade.com/index.php/How_to_make_great_lather_from_a_soap) instructs), swirled on the puck for 30 seconds or so, then worked it in my bowl for a good 5 minutes, and again got a usable but underwhelming lather. I found it dried out very quickly - I had to add water to my brush after each pass, and sometimes even relather during a pass. Again I found there was sufficient lubrication, but no cushion or creaminess that I expect from a good tallow soap. I must be doing something wrong.

Third day... I'm gonna get it today, I simply must. Lots of water this time, along with my trusty EJ BBB. Face lathering instead of my bowl. Well, I might as well have shaved with just hot water (which does actually work by the way). Drops of thin (almost soupy) soap and water went flying all over the bathroom as I furiously and ineffectually scrubbed away with the brush. I'm so glad I didn't spend silly amounts of money on this stuff... Maybe it's just not for me.

Fourth day... I feel as though I'm flogging a dead horse, but I'm too stubborn to let it go now. I break out my Omega boar bristle brush. Throw some hot water on the pick and let it soak for a few minutes. Hit that puck with the boar bristle good and hard, adding water drop by drop as I went. Lathering directly on the puck for at least a minute, I think I somehow broke through the pucks outer defense layer! More lather appeared than ever had before, and even better yet it was thick and creamy just like Tabac.

I think I found the secret; I just needed MORE SOAP! While Kent/MWF will give you some sypmathy lather early on, to get the good stuff you have to work the puck thoroughly. Once I was actually able release a respectable amount of the tallowy goodness into my brush, it was a top performer. Incredibly slick, lots of creaminess and cushion, stayed wet between passes, and not an overpowering scent. After using the Palmolive shave sticks, I should have known better, as they too can be slow to release soap when they are new... If you fail to release enough product, you are doomed to thin lather. Do it properly, and you are immediately and bountifully rewarded!

As I tend to use ASB and/or moisturizers after shaving anyway, I haven't yet noticed the fabled MWF moisturizing subtleties. Admittedly I've only got one good day under my belt, so I'll keep on for another week and perhaps my opinion will change.

While Kent/MWF can create a lather on par with Tabac, in my mind it does not surpass, so I guess in the end I'm a "cheap and easy" kind of guy after all. The Tabac just gives me what I want, and doesn't demand a whole lot in return.

Ru4scuba?
03-04-2009, 03:41 AM
Well,

I just finished my full 5 day week of shaves with MWF.

Here are some thoughts:

1) I can get gobs of lather now whether face or bowl lathering....face lathering seems to let the soap sit on the face longer, so I get a better lanolin softening effect.

2) The lather is thinner than say a tub of TOBS when applied, and dries out a bit more quickly, but not to any negative effect shaving.

3) The feeling of soft skin after the shave is the whole reason to use MWF. It has more effect on the skin than any other soap I've tried.

4) Different AS tend to distort the effects of the MWF on the skin. After using Proraso ASB, I could still feel a soft face throughout the day. After using Nivea ASB, my face didn't feel as soft and was a bit tackier...but this is probably due to the fact that I really slathered up the face due to the bitter cold in NE US right now!

5) I found I had to recharge the brush on the puck on some days due to the drying effect on the soap. Again, didnt have a negative effect on the shave.

6) Using MWF, I've been able to accomplish 5 straight days of no irritation shaves. I generally credit this to getting my technique down more truthfully, but the MWF didnt hurt my experience and overall...improved it!

I still stand by my initial assertion that this is not a soap for a brand new Newb....its a bit tricky and requires a bit more effort (whether lathering, charging, keeping it wet etc), but it produces a wonderful shave and by the size of my puck after five shaves, I can tell it will last for over a year or two.

SilkySmooth
03-04-2009, 03:51 AM
I believe MWF works so much better by face lathering vs lathering in a bowl.

The soap also works great in a MB style jar. The lid prevents the soap from drying out.

Confilo
03-04-2009, 05:52 AM
Try filling the container with hot water while showering, throw the water, not the puck when working it with the brush. I alway get good lather with MWF even in a bowl

SepticTank
03-04-2009, 05:57 AM
Try filling the container with hot water while showering, throw the water, not the puck when working it with the brush. I alway get good lather with MWF even in a bowl

If your hot water is above about 100F/39C (and lets face it 39C is not actually hot), in doing that you'll be throwing much of the lanolin (aka wool grease, wool fat) that has melted in the hot water - so wasting the key property of MWF. Your call though.

AFG
03-04-2009, 06:16 AM
I really like MWF but then there are others I like too. It takes only a few seconds longer to load the brush over other soaps and I get very good lather. Face lathering does seem the way to go though. I get quality shaves with other products but it is the feeling on the skin that I like and is the reason I use it.

Confilo
03-04-2009, 01:19 PM
If your hot water is above about 100F/39C (and lets face it 39C is not actually hot), in doing that you'll be throwing much of the lanolin (aka wool grease, wool fat) that has melted in the hot water - so wasting the key property of MWF. Your call though.

I use hot tap water, and the slick moisturizing properties are still there. It is the way I prep most tallow hard soaps. I just put the water over the puck which is in an Anchor container, so it is less than a 1/4 inch of water covering the puck.
After that no more water on the soap.

Ru4scuba?
03-04-2009, 03:55 PM
Paco,

Dont get me wrong, I get gobs of lather in a bowl too...just seems like the face works better for whatever reason. Particularly with feeling the moisturizing properties of the soap.

I'm guessing its as simple as the fact that the soap is on my face longer.

ctakim
03-04-2009, 08:48 PM
Chris, thanks for this review. Your experience exactly matches mine. With effort and persistence you can get a fair amount of lather, but it is not as dense or creamy as a tallow based soap. But it is very lubricating and it leaves a softness to your skin long after you are done shaving. That is quite different from any other shave soap I've used. It has a place in my rotation because of this, probably not top three, but it is in the line up!:001_smile

StillShaving
03-09-2009, 06:54 PM
MWF newbie here. I have used it about 8-9 times and now understand what the all the fuss is about. The moisturizing quality is great and is where this soap excels, leaving the face feeling soft and nice. The lather itself is average in terms of cushioning and is nothing to get excited about. I plan to use this for a long time, but not every day.

I might agree with other's comments that it is tricky to lather, but I also think it is a matter of getting the puck moisturized properly, as each time I lathered puck gave up more soap with less effort than before. The last time I lathered with my C&E BBB which has a reputation as being pretty soft, but had no problems generating lather for a three pass shave.

Confilo
03-10-2009, 05:56 AM
Paco,

Dont get me wrong, I get gobs of lather in a bowl too...just seems like the face works better for whatever reason. Particularly with feeling the moisturizing properties of the soap.

I'm guessing its as simple as the fact that the soap is on my face longer.

Chris,
Nothing taken wrong, I'll have to try face lathering with MWF but at the moment through one of the coldest winters in Mass. I can't resist using the scuttle for warm lather.
I'm finding that I go for MWF more and more during the week, it leaves the face feeling great
Best,

Ru4scuba?
03-10-2009, 07:19 AM
Amen to that!

blackskorpion
03-10-2009, 12:15 PM
I have used MWF more often than any of my other soaps lately, and while it can be difficult to lather if it is too dry, it is worth the effort.

Mike 257
03-12-2009, 07:46 PM
Also a MWF newbie, I had no problem getting lather and I love the way it smells.

BullGoose
03-13-2009, 05:15 PM
Thanks to your great review,...... Im using MWF tomorrow morning.... I love the stuff!

+1 I love it too and do not find it any harder to lather than other soaps.

brumble
03-13-2009, 05:19 PM
Not to threadjack, but can someone list what the ingredients are in MWF?

Soulcraft
03-13-2009, 05:25 PM
You know what makes MWF so wonderful? The fact that you have to work harder to make good lather. It's like a book you have read countless time and every time you read it you find something new in it. You have to invest a part of yourself in MWf but it gives it back 10x. That's why MWf is the best soap out there.

ps: I bought Dr. Harris Lavender yesterday and its not bad, a bit akin to MWF actually.

BarryR
03-14-2009, 10:02 AM
Same here as well. I love the clean smell.+1
I've caught myself going into the bathroom for a whiff of MWF (it even rhymes). Clean and slightly creamy are the only words I can find to describe it but I find it to be an extremely pleasant scent (though I wish it were a little more potent).

MWF is one of my favorites and I agree that it leaves my skin feeling softer and moister than other soaps.

Ru4scuba?
03-14-2009, 12:40 PM
The other nice thing about it is that the puck alone will last you a year...if you shave with other soaps in your rotation, it will last multiple years!

erudolph
03-14-2009, 12:48 PM
Not to threadjack, but can someone list what the ingredients are in MWF?


Sodium Tallowate, Potassium Stearate, Sodium Cocoate, Sodium Stearate, Aqua, Potassium Cocoate, Glycerin, Parfum, Alpha-Isomethyl Ionone, Hexyl Cinnamal, Limonene, Linalool, Hydroxycitronellal, Lanolin, Titanium Dioxide, Sodium Chloride, Sodium Gluconate, Sodium Silicate, Tetrasodium EDTA, Magnesium Sulphate, Tetrasoium Etidronate.

These are as they are listed on the packaging. I am not going to check for spelling errors... :-) Can any chemists out there put these ingredients into layman's terms?

BarryR
03-14-2009, 12:54 PM
Can any chemists out there put these ingredients into layman's terms?Sure:
Great smell, great shave, wonderfully moisturizing! :wink:
Is that too "layman"? :biggrin:

erudolph
03-14-2009, 12:58 PM
Sure:
Great smell, great shave, wonderfully moisturizing! :wink:
Is that too "layman"? :biggrin:

Yes. I'm curious about the functionality of some of those many ingredients.

BarryR
03-14-2009, 01:03 PM
Sure:
Great smell, great shave, wonderfully moisturizing! :wink:
Is that too "layman"? :biggrin:I know. I was just messin' with ya. Actually, my uncle has been involved in cosmetics manufacturing, so if we don't get an answer from one of the knowledgeable forum members, I can ask him.

SepticTank
03-14-2009, 01:34 PM
Sodium Tallowate (soap made from beef fat), Potassium Stearate (soap made from animal fat), Sodium Cocoate (soap made from coconut oil), Sodium Stearate (more soap from animal fat), Aqua (water), Potassium Cocoate (yet more soap made from coconut oil), Glycerin (glycerin - there's no simpler way to say propan-1,2,3-triol), Parfum (smell), Alpha-Isomethyl Ionone, Hexyl Cinnamal, Limonene (found in citrus fruit), Linalool, Hydroxycitronellal, Lanolin (wool grease), Titanium Dioxide (makes it white), Sodium Chloride (mmm salty), Sodium Gluconate, Sodium Silicate, Tetrasodium EDTA, Magnesium Sulphate, Tetrasodium Etidronate.

there's a start...

erudolph
03-14-2009, 01:36 PM
there's a start...

Much obliged Septic. Informative.

Ru4scuba?
03-14-2009, 04:06 PM
Ahhh...the legendary Lanolin that makes this soap so great! #1 ingredient!

Just be careful what AS you use after...might negate the effects of the lanolin

erudolph
03-14-2009, 04:25 PM
Chris..... what would be examples of ones that would negate the effects of the lanolin. I've been using Witch Hazel after shaving. However, today, after using MWF for the first time this afternoon, I simply used cold water. Pleasant feeling afterwards.

The MWF has quite a salty taste!


Ahhh...the legendary Lanolin that makes this soap so great! #1 ingredient!

Just be careful what AS you use after...might negate the effects of the lanolin

Luc
03-14-2009, 04:52 PM
Good Thread. I have my MWF soap under the sink, waiting for me to finish a soap so I can put the puck in a container...

erudolph
03-14-2009, 04:56 PM
The pyrex container with the rubber top (maybe it's plastic) is working pretty well. Thanks to it, I didn't have to wait. The MWF puck itself is 3" in diameter and the pyrex is 3.5 or 4, but it works.

Ru4scuba?
03-15-2009, 07:22 AM
Usually, after a few shaves in the pyrex, the soap will stick to the bottom so the puck doesnt slide everywhere during your lathering process.

studman46
03-19-2009, 11:06 AM
Love my MWF. Got a puck from Leesrazors 6 or 7 months ago. I face lather with Vulfix 660 pure badger and always get thick, cushiony lather. Face is soft and moisturized all day. How long does a puck of MWF last?. It looks bigger now, than when I started using it.

Ru4scuba?
03-19-2009, 11:23 AM
Erudolph,

Sorry I missed your first question. I have used various AS after shaving with MWF. I've found that heavier AS or ASB (GFT Skin Food, Loreal hydrolyzer etc) tend to negate the soft skin effects of MWF or, if negate is too strong a word, at least leave my skin feeling so tacky that I can't feel the softness feature provided by the lanolin.

AS splash or lighter balms (Nivea ASB, Proraso, Musgo Real) seem to leave the lanolin effect in place. Of course, I could be using too much AS to begin with! I usually use a WH with alcohol to tone the skin immediately after the shave and then finish up with AS or ASB. If you are using just WH to finish w/o alcohol, I would imagine the lanolin full effect would still be in place (if not more so as the Aloe in many Thayer's products would likely add to the effect)

Studman,

From what I've read...the MWF will likely last you at least a year if not longer (assume you have a rotation going)

Cuttingboard
11-06-2009, 08:32 PM
I bought MWF in the ceramic dish a couple months ago to use during the cooler months and I plan on using it tomorrow for the first time. I just opened the container and filled the container half way with hot tap water to soak the puck over night so that it may soften and expand in the ceramic container. Here's to a great shave tomorrow!!

azmark
11-06-2009, 08:39 PM
I took about a 10 day hiatus from MWF to add some MB into my rotation. I went back to MWF this week and had disaster of a shave today, I still hurt:a15:. Puck had seemed to have lost its mojo. Lather was a pain. Im never going a few days without it. Actually really narrowed my rotation down to about 3 soaps.

WhosYerBob
11-07-2009, 04:29 AM
I own and use MWF, but it doesn't come up in the rotation as often because of its' relative lack of scent (there is a scent, of course, but it's not something that one would come to specifically crave, IMHO).
I find it interesting how we all experience scents. For me, MWF has a wonderful scent, one that lingers with me through to the afternoon. I really like it, both for the scent and for the results I get when shaving with it.

Ru4scuba?
11-07-2009, 04:33 AM
I bought MWF in the ceramic dish a couple months ago to use during the cooler months and I plan on using it tomorrow for the first time. I just opened the container and filled the container half way with hot tap water to soak the puck over night so that it may soften and expand in the ceramic container. Here's to a great shave tomorrow!!

Be careful with this method...I've heard (though not experienced) that you can kill a puck of MWF by doing this (full lengthy soak).

FWIW, I milled my MWF and now have zero lather problems from it since writing this review.

Funny how time/experience changes things!

Cuttingboard
11-07-2009, 07:40 AM
Be careful with this method...I've heard (though not experienced) that you can kill a puck of MWF by doing this (full lengthy soak).

Really...how? I poured the water out this morning and letting it dry.

brothers
11-08-2009, 06:01 AM
I still don't get this - it was my first soap and right out of the blocks I got huge quantities of good cushioning lather. As I'm not one for creating washing up, I'm a face latherer - maybe that's where I'm "going wrong with going wrong" with MWF :confused: (or perhaps I'm not trying hard enough to make it go wrong) :surrender:

I agree 100%. I read too much about how to do it, and after going off the track, getting frustrated, etc., (water under the bridge now) I just lathered it like every other soap, and the lather just became perfect. No biggie, it was my fault because I put too much attention on it. Ofr me, face lathering works well with MWF, as it does with most other soaps.

Haligonian
11-09-2009, 03:24 AM
I found MWF to be the easiest lathering soap I've used, but that may be because I live not far from it's birthplace, so my water is ideal. :cool:

Virgil
11-09-2009, 01:04 PM
I have never used MWF and am looking forward to it. Will be purchasing some this week especially after I have read so many good things here about it.