States rights and marial law

[highball]

Did anyone else listen to coast to coast am last night . About the steps some States are taking to preserve sovereignty and personal freedoms which include gun ownership, gold & silver ownership, & home schooling.

http://www.infowars.com/you-tube-alex-jones-on-coast-to-coast-am-states’-rights-martial-law/

[professorchaos]

After decades of the Federal government usurping powers reserved for the state, I cannot say I am upset to hear this. Pending further investigation. I'd like there to be some real, discernible differences between the states beyond weather and accents.

[Jasonian]

I didn't catch Coast to Coast last night, though I usually try.

From what I understand, Alex Jones was the guest, and while there are a lot of good things to say, he does like to keep people in fear, which may or may not be a good thing.

Martial law is coming. He's right. There are FEMA camps already built, and others probably under construction. There are FEMA plastic coffins in storage on privately owned land all over the place. You can find this stuff all over the place on the web if you really want to.

Part of the problem is that if you don't actually watch the progression, you'll think that people like Alex Jones are a bunch of chicken littles. It's happening more slowly than expected, but the progress hasn't stopped. It's definitely coming. We just don't know when.


After decades of the Federal government usurping powers reserved for the state, I cannot say I am upset to hear this. Pending further investigation. I'd like there to be some real, discernible differences between the states beyond weather and accents.

We don't pay a state income tax, and there's no sales tax on food. Not to mention, when TX joined the union, we held the right to secede at our own discression. In fact, every year, the state has to vote to continue being a state rather than a republic.

I'd say there are quite a few differences between states besides weather and accents. Not to mention, If you heard me speak, you would guess I were from the NE region of the country, so the accents thing is flawed. I've never even been to the NE region.

[Leche]

http://www.hslda.org/laws/default.asp

This is a really good site. I get email updates because California wants Home Schooling to disappear. California is a sinking ship. The time has come to leave.

[TimmyBoston]

I actually did listen to coast to coast last night. Coast to Coast should only be listened to for comic relief. It is as ridiculous as horoscopes. It should never be taken seriously without a doctor's supervision. :rolleyes:

[Stubblefield]

This is a really good site. I get email updates because California wants Home Schooling to disappear. California is a sinking ship. The time has come to leave.California has no intention of getting rid of homeschooling, nor are they trying to make it go away. Nor is any other organized group, for that matter. Second Appellate District Court of Appeal ruled it constitutional last August.

Link Here:

http://www.hslda.org/elert/archive/2008/08/20080808163800.asp

The State sadly has far more pressing matters on it's hands.

[slcsteve]

I actually did listen to coast to coast last night. Coast to Coast should only be listened to for comic relief. It is as ridiculous as horoscopes. It should never be taken seriously without a doctor's supervision. :rolleyes:


Ditto! (not a pun but intended nonetheless)

[ouch]

I actually did listen to coast to coast last night. Coast to Coast should only be listened to for comic relief. It is as ridiculous as horoscopes. It should never be taken seriously without a doctor's supervision. :rolleyes:


Ditto! (not a pun but intended nonetheless)

Yep. Art Bell and the gang are funny as hell, but they should concentrate on their particular field of expertise- people who have travelled back in time from the future or can contact the afterlife through their ipod. :tongue_sm

[Dustinl]

I for one, think Alex Jones is a nut-job. Mr. Jones gets ratings by instilling fear with his far-fetched cospiracy theories. Ratings=paycheck.

FEMA camps for an American population in civil unrest? Give me a break. Even if the federal government wanted to do a mass gun confiscation, the plan wouldn't even get off the ground. The government simply does not have enough man-power to initiate such an undertaking. Many in the military and police would abandon their post if ordered to use force on their own populace. Besides, what would the federal government hope to achieve by suppressing the population? Whose tax dollars pay their salaries? You don't bite the hand that feeds you.


Do I believe that there will be civil unrest in this country in the near future? You betcha. MASS civil unrest? I don't know but I am skeptical. The dominoes are falling as we speak. Only time will tell.


DL

[Trench]

I had a friend whose parents kicked him out of the house after high school and was living in his car for a while. While driving around aimlessly in the middle of the night or trying to sleep parked in some wooded lot, he came across this show and ended up introducing it to me and the rest of our friends. Very humorous and creepy all at the same time. One of the more interesting installments had Merle Haggard on as a guest talking about UFO conspiracies.

[xdkeys]

After decades of the Federal government usurping powers reserved for the state, I cannot say I am upset to hear this. Pending further investigation. I'd like there to be some real, discernible differences between the states beyond weather and accents.

Yeah, we fought a war over that, but, the ALmighty President of that time, stampleded all over the constitution, and arrested all those that opposed him. Then invaded his own country slaying his own countrymen and destroying their homes and farms. But, the winner wrote the history books and they say it was fought over something else.

[ouch]

Uh-oh. :eek:

[slcsteve]

"O, that way madness lies; let me shun that;
No more of that."

King Lear

[arcman]

Yeah, we fought a war over that, but, the ALmighty President of that time, stampleded all over the constitution, and arrested all those that opposed him. Then invaded his own country slaying his own countrymen and destroying their homes and farms. But, the winner wrote the history books and they say it was fought over something else.
Funny, my history books always taught that the civil war was fought over the southern states attempting to secede. Funnily enough I don't recall seeing in the constitution where states ever had the right to secede. Also, if the "something else" you're referring to is slavery, calling it a strawman for the civil war isn't particularly convincing, especially considering that nearly 100 years later when then federal government declared that whites could no longer discriminate against black children by shuttering them in sub-standard underfunded schooling, the southern state governments threw a huge backlash.

Not to mention all of the programs like roads, schools, and health care that are horribly sub-standard compared to the rest of the developed world because they're mis-manged by local state governments. Woo-hoo for States Rights, ensuring an enduring cycle of poverty.

[richmondesi]

I love listening to Coast to Coast, but I have a hard time believing that there are many people that really take it seriously. It is funny and entertaining, but it is definitely not a source for serious information IMHO.

[masonjarjar]

Yeah, we fought a war over that, but, the ALmighty President of that time, stampleded all over the constitution, and arrested all those that opposed him. Then invaded his own country slaying his own countrymen and destroying their homes and farms. But, the winner wrote the history books and they say it was fought over something else.

I think it's time to let it go..


:lol:

[xdkeys]

Funny, my history books always taught that the civil war was fought over the southern states attempting to secede. Funnily enough I don't recall seeing in the constitution where states ever had the right to secede. Also, if the "something else" you're referring to is slavery, calling it a strawman for the civil war isn't particularly convincing, especially considering that nearly 100 years later when then federal government declared that whites could no longer discriminate against black children by shuttering them in sub-standard underfunded schooling, the southern state governments threw a huge backlash.

Not to mention all of the programs like roads, schools, and health care that are horribly sub-standard compared to the rest of the developed world because they're mis-manged by local state governments. Woo-hoo for States Rights, ensuring an enduring cycle of poverty.

That didn't take long, I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think there is anything in the Constitution that says states can't secede. But the Constitution does say, New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.
So, West Virginia is unconstitutional.

[Stubblefield]

Uh-oh. :eek:to the tenth power.

[arghblech]

I listened to Art a ton in the 90's. I worked in a bar so I was leaving work in time to catch a good chunk of his show. It's a comedy show. Not as subtle as Rush Limbaugh's but still a comedy. Art, couldn't even keep from laughing at some of his guests. Listening to him try to keep it together was golden.

[knlgskr]

I have had a "wait and see" attitude in regard to the machinations of our government and there seems to be a 40 year pendulum swing; 20 years each to the right/left and back to the center.

"Because something is too incredible to be believed does not mean it is too incredible to happen or have happened."

Richard

[ouch]

Art couldn't even keep from laughing at some of his guests. Listening to him try to keep it together was golden.

George Nouri, too. He's more gracious than Joe Franklin.



BTW- lest Timmy reappear, guns blazing, some of you may want to ease up on the rhetoric.

[Obsessed]

I think the FEMA camps are where they are holding the "astronauts" who participated in the fake moon landings.

[joscobo]

Coast to Coast also has guests who have proof of structures on the moon. Not that we'd ever know, since, they also have guests that have proof we never went to the moon.

When Art Bell was still the host there was the fax that came through from someone claiming to be a time traveler who was sent back in time to find a 1970's computer because in the future they don't have computers that can interface with their mainframes and it's easier to send a guy back in time than to just build a new one. This was discussed for years.

Coast to Coast is a fun show to listen to, no doubt, but you have to take this stuff with a grain so salt. They give a microphone to just about any nut that has a juicy conspiracy story.

Orrrr maybe some time traveler from a moon city, with funding from FEMA, came back in time and seeded the clouds above my head, with a mind control drug developed by the CIA and the KGB jointly, so that the rain yesterday would make me NOT believe the story about impending martial law. Yeah that's the ticket.

[Dustinl]

I don't doubt that that the FEMA camps exist, I just think Alex Jones is loopy for thinking that the government will use them for Americans who are "out of control".

But what do I know, I've never been harassed by "black helicopters".

DL

[xdkeys]

I think it's time to let it go..


:lol:

My history teacher said, "History always repeats itself." But I'll go back to shaving.

[Austin]

I don't doubt that that the FEMA camps exist, I just think Alex Jones is loopy for thinking that the government will use them for Americans who are "out of control".

But what do I know, I've never been harassed by "black helicopters".

DL

Yep! And he lives in Austin. :eek:

[Dustinl]

Yep! And he lives in Austin. :eek:

I met Mr. Jones at the Saxtet Gun show on 290 in Austin about 6 or 7 years ago. Does he still have his radio show?


DL

[Austin]

I met Mr. Jones at the Saxtet Gun show on 290 in Austin about 6 or 7 years ago. Does he still have his radio show?


DL

I don't know. He used to be on the public access channel. I don't know if he still has that either. I used to catch it around 2 or 3 a.m. when I suffered from insomnia.

[behrendprof]

I've gotten up early to go hunting or fishing sometimes and caught snippets of coast to coast and I thought it was amusing. That is, I thought it was a parody, like a Monty Python skit or Dr Demento slowing down and I thought they did a good job.

And now I find it is seriously intended? That is both funnier than ever AND highly disturbing.

[dpm802]

When Art Bell was still the host there was the fax that came through from someone claiming to be a time traveler who was sent back in time to find a 1970's computer because in the future they don't have computers that can interface with their mainframes and it's easier to send a guy back in time than to just build a new one. This was discussed for years.

You have scrambled together two popular C2C threads.

Copied and pasted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Bell
One night in 1997, Art Bell received a fax from a woman named Jill who requested he clear a line for her boyfriend, whom she claimed was determined to fly a small plane into Area 51. He cleared the "Wild Card Line," took the man's call, which he broadcast on-air. Bell warned that the U.S. government would either try to force him down or shoot him down and warned, "You'd better turn around now." The caller described military jets arriving to intercept him, then taking fire from the ground before shouting "Oh baby, I think I'm going in!" and the line went dead. Bell traded follow-up faxes with the woman, but never heard again from the man. Bell allows that the call may have been a hoax, but many listeners at the time believed it was genuine.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Bell#cite_note-7) Some even believe that, rather than killing the man, the personnel actually had him work for them.

Copied and pasted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor
John Titor was the name of a purported time traveller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_travel) from the year 2036 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2036). He posted on several time travel-related Internet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet) bulletin boards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulletin_board) during 2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000)/2001 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001), making many vague, but seemingly falsifiable (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability), predictions about events in the near future and giving an explicit, detailed account of his supposed native time period. Whether or not John Titor was a hoax is a topic of controversy on web-based paranormal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomalous_phenomenon) discussion boards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_forum).

Titor claimed to be a serving soldier who was recruited to a governmental time travel project. He was supposedly sent from 2036 back to 1975 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975) to retrieve an IBM 5100 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_5100) computer which he claimed was needed to "debug" various legacy computer programs in 2036. Some believe the computer was needed to overcome a Unix (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix) bug—Unix-based machines would no longer function after 2038 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2038), a known bug (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_bug) related to the 32-bit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/32-bit) nature of the Unix clock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_time). However, John Titor rejected that, but stated the machine was needed as an aid to translate between some legacy IBM systems and UNIX.

[dpm802]

I have been a C2C fan for many years ... although I had heard a few broadcasts from the early days when it was just Art Bell, I didn't start listening regularly until George Noory began his Monday~Friday run.

I find it entertaining and informative, but I do listen with a critical ear and take everything I hear with a grain of salt.

My favorite guest is R. Gary Patterson (http://rgarypatterson.com/) (Rock & Roll Legends.)

My vote for stupidest regular guest is Glynis McCants (http://www.numberslady.com/) (The Number Lady.)

[DS/B MCS]

Do I believe that there will be civil unrest in this country in the near future? You betcha. MASS civil unrest? I don't know but I am skeptical. The dominoes are falling as we speak. Only time will tell.


DL

Just Remember the Boy Scout Motto...

[highball]

In response to increasing federal encroachment, a growing number of states have passed and proposed resolutions to assert the Tenth Amendment and the Bill of Rights of the Constitution.
Washington, New Hampshire, Arizona, Montana, Michigan, Missouri, Oklahoma, California, and Georgia have all introduced bills and resolutions declaring sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment. Colorado, Hawaii, Pennsylvania, Arkansas, Idaho, Indiana, Alaska, Kansas, Alabama, Nevada, Maine, and Illinois are considering such measures.
Here is a link to HJM4009 - washington state http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?year=2009&bill=4009

HCR6 -New Hampshire http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2009/HCR0006.html

HCR 2024-Arizona http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/1r/bills/hcr2024p.htm

[Obsessed]

In response to increasing federal encroachment, a growing number of states have passed and proposed resolutions to assert the Tenth Amendment and the Bill of Rights of the Constitution.
Washington, New Hampshire, Arizona, Montana, Michigan, Missouri, Oklahoma, California, and Georgia have all introduced bills and resolutions declaring sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment. Colorado, Hawaii, Pennsylvania, Arkansas, Idaho, Indiana, Alaska, Kansas, Alabama, Nevada, Maine, and Illinois are considering such measures.
Here is a link to HJM4009 - washington state http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?year=2009&bill=4009

HCR6 -New Hampshire http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2009/HCR0006.html

HCR 2024-Arizona http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/1r/bills/hcr2024p.htm

But wait -- don't these states get federal money to maintain the FEMA camps?

[Kit Walker]

Funny, my history books always taught that the civil war was fought over the southern states attempting to secede. Funnily enough I don't recall seeing in the constitution where states ever had the right to secede.

IIRC, Texas for one had the right to secede as part of the treaty under which the Republic of Texas joined the United States.


Also, if the "something else" you're referring to is slavery, calling it a strawman for the civil war isn't particularly convincing, especially considering that nearly 100 years later when then federal government declared that whites could no longer discriminate against black children by shuttering them in sub-standard underfunded schooling, the southern state governments threw a huge backlash.

Slavery was an issue used to help prevent Great Britain and France from recognizing the Confederate States. If either or both had done so, it is quite likely that the Civil War would have ended quite differently, because the Union would not have been able to blockade southern ports against the naval might of Great Britain.



Not to mention all of the programs like roads, schools, and health care that are horribly sub-standard compared to the rest of the developed world because they're mis-manged by local state governments. Woo-hoo for States Rights, ensuring an enduring cycle of poverty.

It's rather obvious that you work for the federal government.
There is NOTHING as mis-managed as any federal project.

[TimmyBoston]

This debate is utterly ridiculous. :rolleyes:

[Morbo]

All I know is that Art Bell was playing himself in the awesome video game "Prey". He is heard through the game talking about the current alien invasion during Coast to Coast. I'm sure that means he takes it all very seriously.

[kongjie]

C2C is great. I subscribe and have it downloaded to my computer, and don't have to listen to the commercials, although the downside is that you don't get the bumper music, either.

My wife listens as she works at the computer all day long at home and she even made it on the recent Halloween "Ghost to Ghost" installment.

That being said, I consider it entertainment, like Rush Limbaugh. if I took seriously 90% of what is on that show, I would be in trouble. And I certainly wouldn't base my real-life behavior or ideas on 90% of the content.

[Obsessed]

This debate is utterly ridiculous. :rolleyes:

No, this is important stuff. For example, if Texas secedes (again), what happens to the inmates of its FEMA camps? Does George W. Bush get his presidential pension if he continues to reside there? Can the Cowboys and Texans stay in the NFL?

I couldn't find that Texas treaty online, by he way. If anyone has a link, I'd love to see it.

[urr-lord]

coast to coast was better under art bell.noory is ok.alex jones has found his niche and is making a good living at it.big deal.
one thing you must realize--some times it is good to have someone who is obsessed about a subject.because they dig through loads of garbage and find a few diamonds(info) in there.
as for the secession issue raised earlier. texas has the right to secede or to break up into 5 states.texas also is the only state that can fly its flag at the same height as the u.s. flag since it was an independant republic.also the man responsible for writing most of the early u.s. legal code said of secession that it was inherent right but the organ governing it had yet to be determined.
secession has been an issue a few times in our history. in the early 1800's the northeast threatened to secede as they felt that since they had most of the industry and should wield more power and receive more of the tax monies.i forget what agreement was reached in that crisis.should have let them go IMO.lol

[TimmyBoston]

No, this is important stuff. For example, if Texas secedes (again), what happens to the inmates of its FEMA camps? Does George W. Bush get his presidential pension if he continues to reside there? Can the Cowboys and Texans stay in the NFL?

I couldn't find that Texas treaty online, by he way. If anyone has a link, I'd love to see it.

Obsessed is a very accurate screen name for you. :wink:

[Cheech]

iirc, texas for one had the right to secede as part of the treaty under which the republic of texas joined the united states.



Slavery was an issue used to help prevent great britain and france from recognizing the confederate states. If either or both had done so, it is quite likely that the civil war would have ended quite differently, because the union would not have been able to blockade southern ports against the naval might of great britain.



It's rather obvious that you work for the federal government.
There is nothing as mis-managed as any federal project.

+∞

[Obsessed]

Obsessed is a very accurate screen name for you. :wink:

Oh, yeah. You don't even know the half of it! :w00t:

Anyway, forgive me for having a little fun with the FEMA thing at the expense of an earlier poster. I'll stop now. The horse is dead.

[highball]

Texas has joined the states’ right and Tenth Amendment movement by introducing House Concurrent Resolution No. 50, filed earlier this week by Republican state representatives Leo Berman, Brandon Creighton, and Bryan Hughes.
H.C.R. 50 serves “as notice and demand to the federal government, as our agent, to cease and desist, effective immediately, mandates that are beyond the scope of these constitutionally delegated powers” and that “all compulsory federal legislation that directs states to comply under threat of civil or criminal penalties or sanctions or that requires states to pass legislation or lose federal funding be prohibited or repealed.

here is the link to H.C.R. 50
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/81R/billtext/html/HC00050I.htm