New Standard accident

[cooncatbob]

I score a batch of razors that included some NEWs an Old Type a couple of Techs and a very black New Standard.
Well they arrived today and it was a very good score, all the NEWs are long hooks which I prefer, one of the Techs has a Goodwill cap that doesn't fit properly.
The New Standard looked to be in pretty good shape except for a badly bent end tooth that was bent in both direction.
Well I inserted a small screwdriver in between the teeth and start to rock it over, snap it broke off as soon as I applied pressure to it, I'm heart broken.
I cleaned it up with silver polish and the plating is in very good shape except for a bit of brassing on either end of the cap.
I'm just sick about the tooth as this is a nice hefty razor (76grams) nothing to do now but put a blade in it and try it out. :cryin:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_6P_7INYCblE/SZc-kDnVXXI/AAAAAAAAApU/5itwiedd1VQ/s640/New%20Standard%20%28Large%29.jpg

[bythbook]

damn! that's tough...

I'm interested in hearing how it shaves w/out an end tooth....

[sprescott]

The New Standard looked to be in pretty good shape except for a badly bent end tooth that was bent in both direction.
Well I inserted a small screwdriver in between the teeth and start to rock it over, snap it broke off as soon as I applied pressure to it, I'm heart broken.

I'm just sick about the tooth as this is a nice hefty razor (76grams) nothing to do now but put a blade in it and try it out. :cryin:

I feel your pain. I tried the same fix several months ago with the same type of razor. My end tooth on the razor snapped off the same way.

Lesson learned for me: Do not try to adjust or fix any of the teeth on a New.

Steve

[bythbook]

Since I've started acquiring razors I've taken the general advice of the membership & have lived with the bent end teeth on my vintage open-comb razors... in my experience the shaves from these various razors have not been compromised. I don't have any razors with teeth so bent that they touch each other or are bent off the plane....

For future reference - has anyone discovered ANY way to repair/straighten bent teeth other than sticking the blade of a screwdriver between 'em & twisting?

[Jabo]

How about applying some heat before attempting to bend it? That might do the trick.

[thirdeye]

How about applying some heat before attempting to bend it? That might do the trick.

Interesting thought for sure and I know many of us here have pondered the very same thought however, how would you suggest generating enough heat to do the "trick" and not effect the silver plate?

Bob, sorry to hear of this unfortunate event...That bites....

[JEEP]

Aww. That must sting!

Thanks for the warning though. I was actually toying with the thought of doing something about a bent tooth on my ball-end Old Type. Now I know that I should just leave it as it is.


Regards.

Jakob

[wetshavewonder]

man, that was painful to read

[ctakim]

Condolences, the people here can really feel your pain.:frown:

[cooncatbob]

I've straighten the teeth on Old Type heads with no problem.
The head on a Old Type seems to be a simple stamping from sheet metal while the New Standard head looks like it's either cast or hot forged, in any case it's rather brittle.
I've acquired and sold lots on NEW heads and haven't had any bent teeth. does anyone know if the NEW teeth are brittle of not?

[nrek619]

that sucks.......good luck with da shave..........:frown:

[tom myers]

I've straighten the teeth on Old Type heads with no problem.
The head on a Old Type seems to be a simple stamping from sheet metal while the New Standard head looks like it's either cast or hot forged, in any case it's rather brittle.
I've acquired and sold lots on NEW heads and haven't had any bent teeth. does anyone know if the NEW teeth are brittle of not?

Yes, Bob, I'm afraid they are. Like you, I've had a lot of success straightening Old Type teeth but I've broken the tooth on a New doing the same procedure as I've used on the Old Types which is the same method I believe you were attempting, using the screwdriver.

The cast heads on the New Improved and the New just don't seem to be mallable enough to be able to stand the re-bending. I believe that the original bending causes enough stress in the metal to preclude any further working of the material.

Regards,
Tom

[cooncatbob]

Yes, Bob, I'm afraid they are. Like you, I've had a lot of success straightening Old Type teeth but I've broken the tooth on a New doing the same procedure as I've used on the Old Types which is the same method I believe you were attempting, using the screwdriver.

The cast heads on the New Improved and the New just don't seem to be mallable enough to be able to stand the re-bending. I believe that the original bending causes enough stress in the metal to preclude any further working of the material.

Regards,
Tom

I just sent a e-mail to Bill Ellis of "Billy's Blades" to see if he has any ideas.
I'm wondering if you annealed the head would it be less brittle.

[onotoman]

I score a batch of razors that included some NEWs an Old Type a couple of Techs and a very black New Standard.
Well they arrived today and it was a very good score, all the NEWs are long hooks which I prefer, one of the Techs has a Goodwill cap that doesn't fit properly.
The New Standard looked to be in pretty good shape except for a badly bent end tooth that was bent in both direction.
Well I inserted a small screwdriver in between the teeth and start to rock it over, snap it broke off as soon as I applied pressure to it, I'm heart broken.
I cleaned it up with silver polish and the plating is in very good shape except for a bit of brassing on either end of the cap.
I'm just sick about the tooth as this is a nice hefty razor (76grams) nothing to do now but put a blade in it and try it out. :cryin:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_6P_7INYCblE/SZc-kDnVXXI/AAAAAAAAApU/5itwiedd1VQ/s640/New%20Standard%20%28Large%29.jpg

If I come across a 'new' body that you could use, I'll let you know. I have a few spare heads from the older type three-piece razors, but no news

Hope it'll shave OK til you get a replacement.

Dave

[shaved_*****]

This is why I hate New Improved Gillettes

[Darjeeling Express]

Bummer. How's did the shave turn out?

[cooncatbob]

Bummer. How's did the shave turn out?

I'm just about to give it a go.
I received an answer to my e-mail to Bill Davis, he said annealing the head would work to make the teeth less brittle.
Heat it to glowing red and cover it in Vermiculite.

[The Real McCoy]

This is why I hate New Improved Gillettes

Yeah you can bend the older stuff (Old and New) but not the new improved....

[cooncatbob]

Yeah you can bend the older stuff (Old and New) but not the new improved....

If you anneal the head it will not be brittle, I wish I'd contacted Bill before I screwed up this razor.
I just shaved with it, I was concerned about the side with the missing tooth but I had no problem, I really like this razor and now I want to get a better specimen.

[MrGuy]

If you anneal the head it will not be brittle, I wish I'd contacted Bill before I screwed up this razor.
I just shaved with it, I was concerned about the side with the missing tooth but I had no problem, I really like this razor and now I want to get a better specimen.

You could try putting the broken tooth under your pillow and see if the Gillette Fairy leaves anything :lol:

Seriously tho, glad it seemed to shave fine for you. Good luck with your search for a better one.

[uberlegit]

If you anneal the head it will not be brittle, I wish I'd contacted Bill before I screwed up this razor.
I just shaved with it, I was concerned about the side with the missing tooth but I had no problem, I really like this razor and now I want to get a better specimen.

In a moment of charitable thought I considered offering you my New Deluxe, but then the insanity subsided. With all of the PIFs and good will on this site, it's hard not to think of ways to help your fellow man, but with your favorite razor? :001_rolle

My sweethearts:

http://badgerandblade.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=15940

[AsylumGuido]

Interesting thought for sure and I know many of us here have pondered the very same thought however, how would you suggest generating enough heat to do the "trick" and not effect the silver plate?

Bob, sorry to hear of this unfortunate event...That bites....

I have considered this myself and have figured the best tact may be to take it to a jeweler friend for advice. They work with all kinds of metals and regularly heat them to size them. Either that or just live with it. My Bulldog has one of the outer teeth that is bent slightly inward and it does not affect the shave whatsoever. Although, that is the one I have considered taking to a jeweler.

[cooncatbob]

In a moment of charitable thought I considered offering you my New Deluxe, but then the insanity subsided. With all of the PIFs and good will on this site, it's hard not to think of ways to help your fellow man, but with your favorite razor? :001_rolle

My sweethearts:

http://badgerandblade.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=15940

Thanks for the offer but I've already got another coming.
I'm not all that concerned about the silver plating unless it's pristine otherwise I'll just have it nickel plated.
The silver plating doesn't seem to be as slippery as the nickel.
I get a big improvement from my NEW heads that have been nickel plated over the bare brass.

[BillEllis]

I'm just about to give it a go.
I received an answer to my e-mail to Bill Davis, he said annealing the head would work to make the teeth less brittle.
Heat it to glowing red and cover it in Vermiculite.That Davis guy thinks like I do... :biggrin:

[cooncatbob]

That Davis guy thinks like I do... :biggrin:

Excuse the brain fart Bill, I meant you.
BTW. how would the heating effect the silver plating?
I've got another News Standard coming and the picture doesn't show any bent teeth, but it only show one side of the razor.
It also looks like there some brassing on the handle, but I don't really care I'd just have it replated like I did my Bulldog, I have no qualms replating worn out razors.
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_6P_7INYCblE/SXePohrsRtI/AAAAAAAAAhQ/krmAHptiIlY/s640/Nickel%20Plated%20Bulldog%20%28Large%29.jpg

[BillEllis]

BTW. how would the heating effect the silver plating?I think the best way to answer that one is to just try it out on a razor that could be sacrificed through experimentation. Too much heat could definitely cause problems.

[cooncatbob]

Well I scored 2 New Improved which arrived today.
One a New Standard and the other seems to be a Tuckaway.
They're in fine shape except for some micro cracks in the tubes.
No bent teeth or brassing.
Anyone interested in the one with the broke tooth?
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_6P_7INYCblE/SZ88vVPqFXI/AAAAAAAAAq8/8Ucx1CR38UA/s640/New%20Improved%20%28Large%29.jpg
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_6P_7INYCblE/SZc-kDnVXXI/AAAAAAAAApU/5itwiedd1VQ/s640/New%20Standard%20%28Large%29.jpg