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PCFiend138
11-26-2008, 08:48 PM
for those of you whom have antique rifles what have you got? mines a mosin nagant m24. finish matched. my grandma told me my great uncle was in korea and got it from a sniper he shot. i cant really hit anything with it well but it sure is a blast to fire. turns heads just about as well as my .44 mag at the range :thumbup:
citizensoldierny
11-27-2008, 04:03 AM
M1 Garand
Enfield Mk 4
for those of you whom have antique rifles what have you got? mines a mosin nagant m24. finish matched. my grandma told me my great uncle was in korea and got it from a sniper he shot. i cant really hit anything with it well but it sure is a blast to fire. turns heads just about as well as my .44 mag at the range :thumbup:
Never heard of a Mosin Nagant M24. There are 4 types of mosins. There are the model 91's, the 91/30's, the M38's and the M44's. The 91's predate the Bolshevik Revolution. The 91/30's were an upgrade to the 91's first made in 1930. The M38's are a carbine version of the 91/30. It does not have a bayonet. The M44 is the same as the M38 except that it has an integral folding bayonet on it. How big is the rifle? Is it a carbine or not. Carbines being shorter versions. If it is then check the date stamp on the receiver. If it has a date of 44 or higher and has a bayonet then it's an M44. If not then it's an M38.
And yes I do have a mosin, it's an M44.
SRock
11-27-2008, 05:02 AM
M1
M1 Tanker
M1 Carbine
M14
Springfield 1903A3
K98 Mauser
Mosin-Nagant M44
Mosin-Nagant 91/30
Enfield MK4
I think that's about it for oldies :biggrin:
Suomäki
11-27-2008, 05:25 AM
Never heard of a Mosin Nagant M24. There are 4 types of mosins. There are the model 91's, the 91/30's, the M38's and the M44's. The 91's predate the Bolshevik Revolution. The 91/30's were an upgrade to the 91's first made in 1930. The M38's are a carbine version of the 91/30. It does not have a bayonet. The M44 is the same as the M38 except that it has an integral folding bayonet on it. How big is the rifle? Is it a carbine or not. Carbines being shorter versions. If it is then check the date stamp on the receiver. If it has a date of 44 or higher and has a bayonet then it's an M44. If not then it's an M38.
And yes I do have a mosin, it's an M44.
Best source for information about Mosin Nagant rifles in web http://www.mosinnagant.net/
Actually there is a model m91/24, russian rifles rebarreled in Finland for the Finnish Civil Guard. http://www.mosinnagant.net/finland/M24-Rifle.asp
I personally have m39 rifle made in Finland
http://www.mosinnagant.net/finland/finnish_mosin_nagantm39.asp
JarheadSgt
11-27-2008, 06:25 AM
Nothing antique, per se, though my Palma rifle is built on an 03-A3 action. I have shot my National Match AR15 (see my avatar) in one 1,000 yard event at Benning. Normally I just shoot across-the-course (200, 300, and 600 yards). Everything else is just modern defense and hunting.
Best source for information about Mosin Nagant rifles in web http://www.mosinnagant.net/
Actually there is a model m91/24, russian rifles rebarreled in Finland for the Finnish Civil Guard. http://www.mosinnagant.net/finland/M24-Rifle.asp
I personally have m39 rifle made in Finland
http://www.mosinnagant.net/finland/finnish_mosin_nagantm39.asp
cool, I learned something new. now, is his gun a m24 or an m44?
Black Adder
11-27-2008, 10:54 AM
Through the Civilian Marksmanship Program, I recently acquired a service grade M1 Garand. I've always wanted one, and I finally got one.
I really enjoy going to the range with this rifle. It's all steel, wood, and durable function. I'm no super marksman with it, but I get pretty good results with iron sights and my fading eyesight. It's one of the best purchases I've ever made!
Don
DeaconKC
11-27-2008, 06:22 PM
My 1903A3 is my most accurate rifle.
PCFiend138
11-27-2008, 06:44 PM
its a finish civil guard m91/24, so its a m91 that was rebuilt. mine was built with the german contract so it has a bohler-stahl barrel which puts the production date between 1924 and 1928. my particular rifle has definitely been around the block. ive spent hours at www.7.62x54r.net identifying all the parts on it. some are are from original russian m91 and some were added in the 60s-70s. if youre interested in mosins that site is awesome. i havent found any site, book whatever with more information.
ceebee
11-27-2008, 06:48 PM
Never heard of a Mosin Nagant M24. There are 4 types of mosins. There are the model 91's, the 91/30's, the M38's and the M44's. The 91's predate the Bolshevik Revolution. The 91/30's were an upgrade to the 91's first made in 1930. The M38's are a carbine version of the 91/30. It does not have a bayonet. The M44 is the same as the M38 except that it has an integral folding bayonet on it. How big is the rifle? Is it a carbine or not. Carbines being shorter versions. If it is then check the date stamp on the receiver. If it has a date of 44 or higher and has a bayonet then it's an M44. If not then it's an M38.
And yes I do have a mosin, it's an M44.
I don't own any type of Mosin, but I believe the M24 (aka Lotta rifle) is the Finnish version of the rifle. A half dozen other numbered models appear to have been produced in addition to the well known ones cited:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosin-Nagant
http://www.mosinnagant.net/finland/default.asp
Bushranger
11-27-2008, 11:23 PM
No.1 MkIII SMLE (Small Magazine Lee Enfield) Made in Lithgow Australia 1942 matching serial numbers. Real piece of Australian Military History.
iron maiden
11-28-2008, 12:11 AM
AH yes...the classics.
SMLE
M1 Garand
91/30 Mosin/Nagant
K98k Mauser 98
MP40
1919 Browning
SRock
11-28-2008, 03:32 AM
Lot's of nice Rifles listed here. We may all still be lucky to own them in a few years (at least those of us who live in the U.S.A.):
Obama Selects Janet Reno's Anti-Gun Point Man As Next Attorney General (http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=4243)
I hope nothing that drastic happens, but you never know.
DeaconKC
11-28-2008, 04:26 AM
You will notice that the rifles listed as most accurate shooters have the best sights on them. The Mauser 98s are excellent rifles, but the sights are lousy. The Finn's when rebuilding, used an improved sight picture over the already good Russian one. The later peep sights found on the Enfields, 03A3s and Garands are much better.
miza_b
11-28-2008, 06:38 PM
I don't own any antiques, but I have been looking at getting a mauser or mosin nagant. My biggest fear is that I'll get one covered in Cosmoline. I have no idea how to remove that stuff. I thought I had heard you could disassemble a rifle and boil the parts to clean them, but I don't have a container big enough to boil a barrel. Has anyone ever bought an older rifle coated in Cosmoline? How did you remove the gunk?
DeaconKC
11-28-2008, 07:06 PM
miza, cleaning cosmoline is not too bad. I've done a LOT of them over the years. Get some old rags and odorless mineral spirits. Wipe the outside down first, several times, then using a disasembly guide from www.surplusrifle.com or another good site, strip the rifle down and scrub some more. It will take an hour or so, but it's not hard at all.
SRock
11-28-2008, 08:50 PM
miza, cleaning cosmoline is not too bad. I've done a LOT of them over the years. Get some old rags and odorless mineral spirits. Wipe the outside down first, several times, then using a disasembly guide from www.surplusrifle.com or another good site, strip the rifle down and scrub some more. It will take an hour or so, but it's not hard at all.
+1 It's not nearly as bad as it sounds. There are also several Citrus based gun cleaners on the market. Many are safe for use on wood as well. Just Google and reasearch, there's plenty of affordable options out there and like Deac said it won't take long at all.
General Burnside
11-28-2008, 09:02 PM
I have an m44 and it is pretty accurate. The bulk surplus fmj you can get online is cheap and great.
GB
whodat
11-28-2008, 09:06 PM
It ain't old, but I absolutely love my Springfield M1A with its beautiful wood stock... Put 200 rounds through it today -- good times. I understand why people want to collect antique firearms but my interest is a little more practical. No room for collector's items that would not see range time :)
PCFiend138
11-29-2008, 12:05 PM
I have an m44 and it is pretty accurate. The bulk surplus fmj you can get online is cheap and great.
GB
i cant agree with you more but the only range im willing to drive to wont allow fmj so i have to get soft point which are about 30 grains heavier and you can feel every grain. especially with the steal but plate.
and disassembly of a mosin is pretty hard to screw up. after you remove the two bands around the barrel and slide them off along with the handguards, there are two screws that attach the trigger assembly to the stock, one on top and one on bottom and it comes apart. pull the trigger and the bolt slides out. to disassemble the bolt its a bit tricky the first time but its easy when you understand it. there is an awesome video on youtube which breaks it down.
the only problem you should encounter, unless you got a rifle in poor condition, is letting the barrel cool down after 5-10 shots. most of the barrels are over 80 years old so they dont hold up like the remington you just bought.
RoyalKooparillo
11-29-2008, 12:14 PM
This thread is useless without pics! :biggrin:
toucanlamp
11-29-2008, 12:24 PM
I have a Mosin Nagant which I bought about a year ago, it looks as thought it was never even issued, and it only cost $169.
It's a pretty good shooter, and it's good in that 7.62x54 ammo is fairly readily available up here in Canada for a decent price.
I also have an SKS which though certainly no marksman rifle, is quite fun to shoot. And, with 7.62x39 being by far the cheapest centerfire cartridge out there and surplus crates widely available it's good for just fun casual shooting.
I'd like to maybe at some point add some of the other world war II rifles, but I'm not sure, Mosin Nagants are so cheap because they built something like 40 million of them during the war. Stuff like Enfields and Mausers in good condition are a fair bit more, up here at least, $400-500 being a more average price for a good condition one of those. And if you want to shoot them, .303 and 8mm mauser are not cheap or available in surplus really anymore.
DeaconKC
11-29-2008, 01:41 PM
It ain't old, but I absolutely love my Springfield M1A with its beautiful wood stock... Put 200 rounds through it today -- good times. I understand why people want to collect antique firearms but my interest is a little more practical. No room for collector's items that would not see range time :)
Absolutely, no safe queens here. all mine get used regularly from the Luger & Broomhandle up to my Para .45 with light rail.
whodat
11-30-2008, 12:36 PM
Absolutely, no safe queens here. all mine get used regularly from the Luger & Broomhandle up to my Para .45 with light rail.
Cheers! :quickdraw
DeaconKC
11-30-2008, 02:21 PM
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff303/Kevin-Andra/m39gunknife016.jpg
PCFiend138
11-30-2008, 02:44 PM
leaned up against my wall
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f155/pcfiend138/11-30-08_1440.jpg
on my bed after i went crazy ordering ammo
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f155/pcfiend138/07-15-08_1901.jpg
finish civil guard symbol
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f155/pcfiend138/11-30-08_1441.jpg
side of rear sight where the arshini were filed off and replaced with meters
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f155/pcfiend138/11-30-08_1445.jpg
on my bed with my .44 mag after another crazed ordering of ammo
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f155/pcfiend138/IMG0276A.jpg
and finally with my remington 742, winchester model 94, my .38 spl and my .44 mag
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f155/pcfiend138/IMG0256A.jpg
I do my sniping with a Springfield 20ga pump.
SCWilson
12-01-2008, 07:19 AM
I've got an Enfield Number 4 Mk. 1. Some jack@$$ sporterized it, so I put a Shepherd scope on it. I'd love to get one in good condition that hasn't been jacked up and shoot it with irons.
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