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striperman36
10-17-2005, 08:42 AM
I have added in the striperman album, several of the brushes I have been working on.
I have worked with stabilized box elder but this is my first
effort in shaving brushes.

I have found super badger with a 25 mm top knot and a 67 mm overall
height.
I have access to many different sizes but felt this was the most
comfortable for me.
The elder handle is 1.5" wide and 2" high.
I also have access to all sizes of elder and many other woods. I like
the elder as it is a light wood and takes a dye very well.

Any feedback regarding the size or style would be appreciated

Bill
http://badgerandblade.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=461
http://badgerandblade.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=462
http://badgerandblade.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=463

robofunk
10-17-2005, 11:16 AM
beautiful!

nice work...

robofunk
10-18-2005, 08:42 AM
i wonder what the undyed wood looks like?

guenron
10-18-2005, 08:54 AM
i wonder what the undyed wood looks like?
Good question! Why don't you ask?
Striperman, why don't you tell us about the process of making and finishing a handle..

Cliff
10-18-2005, 11:55 AM
Striperman, the stabilized wood should be impervious to water because of the stabilization process. Is that a true assumption? That is my understanding of stabilized wood.

striperman36
10-18-2005, 07:38 PM
How to make a shaving brush:
Find a supplier of material
The most important is the brush itself. I don’t think I have to tell anyone here that it is difficult but not impossible to find Silver Tip Badger Hair sources in China. Fortunately I have been able to find one in Northern China that I can deal with and deliver the quality and quantity I need to make them.
Find a handle source decide what type of material you want to work with. I enjoy working with a lathe so I can turn most protein based – wood, horn, antler and synthetic materials used to also turn game calls and pens. There are many suppliers on the internet

I choose stabilized burled box elder. Box elder is a light colored wood growing just about anywhere in North America. The idea is to find a wood that has a significant abnormality in the grain, swirls, waves, ripplies, etc.. Also spalt or semi-decayed wood is also preferable.
Box elder is a light colored wood with the burl it has some interest. The burl is accented by the application of a wood dye. Wood dye is applied by a vacuum method forcing the dye completely thru the wood. Different portions of the wood accept the dye more deeply than other parts, heightening the contrast created by the burl. You can see areas of no dye to areas of dense dye. Colors like green, blue, black, gold, red show the contrast well. Some pieces are ‘double-dyed’ to show almost a kalediscope of colors and density through the wood.
Once the dye is thoroughly dried, about a week at 140 degrees F, a acrylic resin is vacuumed into the wood sealing and filling the voids in the wood. After the resin has set the wood can be processed as any acrylic product, SHARP TOOLS and HIGH SPEED.

Now that you have identified your material, you need to define your shape of the handle. I take my design from existing historical pieces and modify them to fit my hand. Draw out your design FULL SIZE on graph paper to understand the high and low points and most particularly the transitions between those points. In turning on the lathe the art of turning is in those transitions.
Once you have finalized a shape. Create prototypes with a durable wood to see how the shape looks full size and how it appears. I use Clear Alaskan Yellow Cedar, as it is my favorite turning wood.

Now that you have a full size template mount your target handle source in the lathe and crank it out.
Turning it out is a simple process of connecting the dot’s from high point to low point with the accurate transitions.
Once you have the basic shape turned out now the fun part. Finishing.
Finishing is the make or break of an item, it is what the user sees
Here is my basic approach.

Start with 140 grit to finalize the basic shape
Dust with a damp lint free cloth
Sand with 220 grit
Dust with a damp lint free cloth
Sand with 300 grit
Dust with a damp lint free cloth
Sand with 400 grit
Dust with a damp lint free cloth
Sand with 800 grit
Dust with a damp lint free cloth
Sand with 1200
Dust with a damp lint free cloth
Inspect for finish


Part off the handle, you have to use a very fine parting tool, I actually use my flush cut saw to avoid scarring the wood.

At this point you have a choice. Continue with sanding up to 12000 if you are going to use an oil finish
Or
Setup to use a lacquer type finish

I have been using shellac for several years after I got hooked on French Polish
I like shellac in that it dries to the touch in 10 minutes and can be recoated after 60 -90 mins. You can’t do that with poly

If you get serious with shellac you will buy shellac dry by the pound and mix what you need when you need it. Shellac goes stale if you leave it too long in solution.
I use a 2 lb cut of shellac to finish the brush handles
I apply a very light coat with a high grade bristle brush
The coat dries within minutes
After 60 min, sand lightly with a 400 grit paper
Clean the surface with alcohol and then a tack cloth
Apply another coat
After 5 coats let dry for 24 hours
Almost done!!

After I have finished the handle, I cut the brush hole with a 1” forstner bit on the drill press.

I use a three step buffing system to buff out the final surface and to apply a fine layer of carnauba wax

I do not put the wax in the brush hole.
I mount the brush with a hot high adhesive glue.


And you have a shaving brush

striperman36
10-18-2005, 07:43 PM
Yes Cliff stabilizing does seal the wood but most burl spalted wood will have voids that get exposed during the processing. Although most will be sealed, there still is the possibility that water can penetrate the wood. I finish the wood to build lustre and depth to the wood itself and secondly seal the voids.
I have about 10 different color combinations that look good and are extremely unusual.
I can post some of the wood pictures as I don't yet have them all in the final form.
Bill

robofunk
10-19-2005, 08:25 AM
i'm anxious to see the wood in raw and unfinished stage. that's alot of knowledge in one post. thanks!

guenron
10-19-2005, 08:33 AM
Striperman,
Excellent description of the process. Is this a hobby? or hobby/business? If you have the time, could you tell us more about the vacuum application process? Is it done in a special chamber? etc???
Thanks once again for the really interesting description.

striperman36
10-19-2005, 09:52 AM
It's is a major effort to describe something that you do as a matter of fact.
I am selling these brushes but more as a hobby then as a business.
I also will be starting to make matching scales.


I will take a pic of the raw wood tonight.

I actually farm out my dying and stablization to several others so I could describe it. But I would be not being honest about it.

Bill

Cliff
10-19-2005, 10:31 AM
Thanks for the info Striperman. Great process, have you been woodworking long?

guenron
10-19-2005, 10:44 AM
It's is a major effort to describe something that you do as a matter of fact.
I am selling these brushes but more as a hobby then as a business.
I also will be starting to make matching scales.


I will take a pic of the raw wood tonight.

I actually farm out my dying and stablization to several others so I could describe it. But I would be not being honest about it.

Bill
We have a forum of STR8 razor addicts who would probably :o16: Stop in and show and tell!

striperman36
10-19-2005, 10:50 AM
I been woodworking for 30 years. I have been turning for about 10.

roughrider
10-19-2005, 02:13 PM
What are some prices and different knot sizes? Do you have any other pictures of different style handles?

striperman36
10-19-2005, 06:12 PM
Here is the natural box elder
http://badgerandblade.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=480

Here it is dyed Green
http://badgerandblade.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=482

Red
http://badgerandblade.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=483

Blue

http://badgerandblade.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=485

Black

http://badgerandblade.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=486


And the creme' de la creme'

http://badgerandblade.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=484

And what is made from it
http://badgerandblade.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=481

And I just want to say that I won't post how much those calls sold for each. But they each are being well used in Iowa right now!!!
Let's say about 20 ducks a piece at restureant prices. If you have had a whole duck you know what that cost.

robofunk
10-19-2005, 06:47 PM
JAW DROPS....

:yikes:

striperman36
10-19-2005, 07:04 PM
JAW DROPS....

:yikes:

Sorry man, you asked.
Now shaving brushes like that would, well, be pretty foamy :w00t:

striperman36
10-19-2005, 07:17 PM
I do have to tell you, that I love this wood and what you can do with it with dyeing and stabiliization. After processing it becomes something not available with any other product. I have tried other woods and am experimenting with the south america woods but I have been unable to match the burled box elder I can get. I also cannot,get acrylic products that look like this. Pens, Pencils, hunting calls, anything with a shaft or cylinder can become something with depth, lustre and uniqueness. It becomes a one of a kind piece

mark the shoeshine boy
10-19-2005, 09:36 PM
Sorry man, you asked.
Now shaving brushes like that would, well, be pretty foamy :w00t:

That just QUACKS me up....

That would make an awesome shave bowl too....

My friend should have my cocobola wood bowl about ready...I am going to show these pics to him...

very very nice......

mark tssb

bebosky
10-19-2005, 10:11 PM
I wish I could :rolleyes: do that I have two left hands.

Cliff
10-20-2005, 08:04 AM
Striperman, that last piece of wood, the creme de la creme, is that also box elder, the difference being the burl ? It looks fantastic and the calls came out great, nice finish.

striperman36
10-20-2005, 08:44 AM
Yes it is all burled elder, it's amazing. Its all from the same tree!! There were 8 pieces out of a 9' X 4' piece of tree that looked like that.
They almost look marbled. I do use a duplicator on the calls, that is NOT by hand, well I do turn the wheel!! and the finish is by hand, but the tolerance for the call components required accuracy I can't get free hand.

guenron
10-20-2005, 09:48 AM
Yes it is all burled elder, it's amazing. Its all from the same tree!! There were 8 pieces out of a 9' X 4' piece of tree that looked like that.
They almost look marbled. I do use a duplicator on the calls, that is NOT by hand, well I do turn the wheel!! and the finish is by hand, but the tolerance for the call components required accuracy I can't get free hand.
I must admit, I am impressed... And I am not easily impressed.. :biggrin:

striperman36
10-20-2005, 09:57 AM
You Oklahoma dudes are tough.