Ingredients?

[Felix.]

Hi All,

I have a question about ingredients in some of the high-end products versus the Fusion gel that I am still using. A high-end cream like Trumper's Limes is much more expensive, but what are we actually paying for? To use a brush?

I compared the ingredients of the two, and I'm disappointed. I thought we were supposed to be getting away from the "chemical goo" ?

Gillette Fusion Hydra Gel, Ultra Sensitive:

Water, Palmitic Acid, Triethanolamine, Isopentane, Glyceryl Oleate, Steric Acid, Fragrance (Parfum), Isobutane, Sorbitol, Glycerin, Hydroxyethylcellulose, PTFE, Peg-90M, Tocopheryl Acetate, Peg-23M, Propylene Glycol, Glyceryl Acrylate/Acrylic Acid Copolymer, PVM/MA Copolymer, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Methlyparaben, Propylparaben, Green 3, Blue 1.

Geo. F. Trumper West Indian Limes Shaving Cream:

Aqua, Stearic Acid, Myristic Acid, Potassium Hydroxide, Coconut Acid, Glycerin, Perfum, Triethanolamine, Sodium Hydroxide, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, CI 19140, CI 42090, CI 14700, Alpha-Isomethyl Ionone, Benzyl Benzoate, Citral, Coumarin, Hexyl Cinnamal, Limonene, Linalool.

Any chemists out there?

[rabidpotatochip]

I am not a chemist, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night...

Aqua = water.

There you have it. Now that all your questions have been answered we can close the thread. :biggrin:

[Felix.]

I am not a chemist, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night...

Aqua = water.

There you have it. Now that all your questions have been answered we can close the thread. :biggrin:

Haha. :lol:

[pbroddi]

Hi All,

I have a question about ingredients in some of the high-end products versus the Fusion gel that I am still using. A high-end cream like Trumper's Limes is much more expensive, but what are we actually paying for? To use a brush?

I compared the ingredients of the two, and I'm disappointed. I thought we were supposed to be getting away from the "chemical goo" ?

Gillette Fusion Hydra Gel, Ultra Sensitive:

Water, Palmitic Acid, Triethanolamine, Isopentane, Glyceryl Oleate, Steric Acid, Fragrance (Parfum), Isobutane, Sorbitol, Glycerin, Hydroxyethylcellulose, PTFE, Peg-90M, Tocopheryl Acetate, Peg-23M, Propylene Glycol, Glyceryl Acrylate/Acrylic Acid Copolymer, PVM/MA Copolymer, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Methlyparaben, Propylparaben, Green 3, Blue 1.

Geo. F. Trumper West Indian Limes Shaving Cream:

Aqua, Stearic Acid, Myristic Acid, Potassium Hydroxide, Coconut Acid, Glycerin, Perfum, Triethanolamine, Sodium Hydroxide, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, CI 19140, CI 42090, CI 14700, Alpha-Isomethyl Ionone, Benzyl Benzoate, Citral, Coumarin, Hexyl Cinnamal, Limonene, Linalool.

Any chemists out there?

Very, very good question.

I'm a bit of an ingredients reader myself (I drive my wife nuts while we shop sometimes!). Whereas the lather-building and shave qualities of the high-end soaps is far, far superior to the canned stuff, there are (in my opinion) still too many scary ingredients in some of them for me to put them near my face. Parabens are a big no-no for my own personal use, but others swear by the products with no adverse effect. It might serve you well to investigate what each of the above ingredients is and what it's potential effects might be, then make your choice based on what you're prepared to use personally and of course your budget. Be the chemist!

[Felix.]

Very, very good question.

I'm a bit of an ingredients reader myself (I drive my wife nuts while we shop sometimes!). Whereas the lather-building and shave qualities of the high-end soaps is far, far superior to the canned stuff, there are (in my opinion) still too many scary ingredients in some of them for me to put them near my face. Parabens are a big no-no for my own personal use, but others swear by the products with no adverse effect. It might serve you well to investigate what each of the above ingredients is and what it's potential effects might be, then make your choice based on what you're prepared to use personally and of course your budget. Be the chemist!
Thanks for the great reply pbroddi. What products do you use?

I hope more people will chime in soon. :)

[Walking_Target]

Gillette Fusion Hydra Gel, Ultra Sensitive:

Water, Palmitic Acid, Triethanolamine, Isopentane, Glyceryl Oleate, Steric Acid, Fragrance (Parfum), Isobutane, Sorbitol, Glycerin, Hydroxyethylcellulose, PTFE, Peg-90M, Tocopheryl Acetate, Peg-23M, Propylene Glycol, Glyceryl Acrylate/Acrylic Acid Copolymer, PVM/MA Copolymer, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Methlyparaben, Propylparaben, Green 3, Blue 1.

Geo. F. Trumper West Indian Limes Shaving Cream:

Aqua, Stearic Acid, Myristic Acid, Potassium Hydroxide, Coconut Acid, Glycerin, Perfum, Triethanolamine, Sodium Hydroxide, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, CI 19140, CI 42090, CI 14700, Alpha-Isomethyl Ionone, Benzyl Benzoate, Citral, Coumarin, Hexyl Cinnamal, Limonene, Linalool.

Any chemists out there?


For starters, the stuff i've put in bold are nice Alkaline substances; these raise the outer surface of the hair allowing water(moisture) in. This softens the hair and makes it much easier to cut.

The underlined text is the perfuming agents....

Take note... Gillette's product just says 'Fragrance(parfum)'

Trumpers is composed of simpler and possibly naturally derived perfuming agents, Lime, Citrus, Cinnamon extracts and Linalool; Which in this case is probably a citrus or flower extract of the compound.

Seems you're paying more for certain knowledge of what's in your product, not to mention the overall quality is far better in soaps than the mass produced goo, whose biggest ingredient, after artificial perfume, is Isobutane, a propellant.

[rickw]

PTFE is teflon. The alkali is to saponify any fats/oils, like the coconut, to make soap. Using the combination creates a cream.

[Kingram]

Hi All,

I have a question about ingredients in some of the high-end products versus the Fusion gel that I am still using. A high-end cream like Trumper's Limes is much more expensive, but what are we actually paying for? To use a brush?

I compared the ingredients of the two, and I'm disappointed. I thought we were supposed to be getting away from the "chemical goo" ?

Gillette Fusion Hydra Gel, Ultra Sensitive:

Water, Palmitic Acid, Triethanolamine, Isopentane, Glyceryl Oleate, Steric Acid, Fragrance (Parfum), Isobutane, Sorbitol, Glycerin, Hydroxyethylcellulose, PTFE, Peg-90M, Tocopheryl Acetate, Peg-23M, Propylene Glycol, Glyceryl Acrylate/Acrylic Acid Copolymer, PVM/MA Copolymer, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Methlyparaben, Propylparaben, Green 3, Blue 1.

Geo. F. Trumper West Indian Limes Shaving Cream:

Aqua, Stearic Acid, Myristic Acid, Potassium Hydroxide, Coconut Acid, Glycerin, Perfum, Triethanolamine, Sodium Hydroxide, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, CI 19140, CI 42090, CI 14700, Alpha-Isomethyl Ionone, Benzyl Benzoate, Citral, Coumarin, Hexyl Cinnamal, Limonene, Linalool.

Any chemists out there?

I try to avoid all of these. I am using Col. Conk right now to see the lather making ability. I will be getting back to my lovely
natural soaps (http://puresoapworks.com/bar_soap.htm). I am reading about essential oil and how I can add them to my natural (http://www.shaveinfo.com/videos/custom_scenting.htm) unscented soaps, specially the clay bentonite soap.

[Dan Forest]

I wanted to get away from the synthetic ingredients that is in a majority of shaving soaps and creams. I found a company that uses truly natural ingredients. The following link will take you to their web site entitled, why natural soap, which explains a whole lot about the difference between what is synthetic and what is truly natural. They explain the difference between synthetic and natural scents as well.

http://www.awildsoapbar.com/default.asp?pageid=28561

This is their description about their shaving soap:

Sassafras Shaving Soap: Our deliciously spicy shaving soap is made with cold pressed olive oil and organic aloe juice (instead of water) to soothe and soften plus castor oil and calcium bentonite clay for a rich creamy lather.

Ingredients: saponified cold pressed olive, coconut, organic palm & castor oils, organic aloe, essential oils (orange, lavandin, cinnamon, patchouli, clove, bay), calcium bentonite clay, wild sassafras root bark, organic cinnamon bark, organic oats, sea salt

You don't have to be a chemist and you don't even have to know that aqua=water, because their shaving soap doesn't have any aqua in it.

[swartzkip]

a difference is that most shaving soaps seem to last forever. i have yet to finish one. I would not be suprised if the "expensive" soap turns out to be cheaper on a "per shave" calculation.

[Dan Forest]

Here is another site that gives more information about what truly natural ingredients are as compared with synthetic.

http://www.naturalingredient.org/

[pbroddi]

Thanks for the great reply pbroddi. What products do you use?

I hope more people will chime in soon. :)

Hi.

I use a facial scrub and shave cream from Laidback (I think they're made by Touch my Face). Junk free and very good quality, although not cheap. A jar lasts a good while though. I'm in the UK, so get them from: http://www.naturesparlour.co.uk/For-Men-p-1-c-46.html
I use a few drops of Somerset's natural shave oil as well.
I also use an anti-bacterial after shave balm called Zeoderm by Salcura
http://www.naturesparlour.co.uk/Zeoderm-50g-p-213.html
Hope that's helpful. Most people don't suffer problems with good quality shave soaps, so depending on your skin type, work with what suits.

[trewornan]

Aqua - Water
Stearic Acid - Tallow
Myristic Acid - Palm Oil
Potassium Hydroxide - Alkali used for converting oil to soap
Coconut Acid - Coconut Oil
Glycerin - Glycerin
Perfum - What it sounds like
Triethanolamine - pH buffer/stabiliser
Sodium Hydroxide - Alkali used for converting oil to soap
Methylparaben, Propylparaben - Preservatives
CI 19140, CI 42090, CI 14700 - ?
Alpha-Isomethyl Ionone - Probably some sort of synthetic flower scent
Benzyl Benzoate - Fixative to hold the scent
Citral, Coumarin, Hexyl Cinnamal, Limonene, Linalool - Natural scents

It's a little silly to think that because something is "natural" it's good for you and because it's synthetic it's bad, unfortunately the real world just isn't that simple.

Parabens have no toxicity as has been demonstrated by many studies. You simply cannot make soap without some sort of oil and either Potassium Hydroxide or Sodium Hydroxide. Some sort of preservative must be included or the stuff would go rancid before it reached you.

Enjoy your shave cream and don't pay any attention to this sort of ignorant scaremongering.

[pbroddi]

This is their description about their shaving soap:

Sassafras Shaving Soap: Our deliciously spicy shaving soap is made with cold pressed olive oil and organic aloe juice (instead of water) to soothe and soften plus castor oil and calcium bentonite clay for a rich creamy lather.

Ingredients: saponified cold pressed olive, coconut, organic palm & castor oils, organic aloe, essential oils (orange, lavandin, cinnamon, patchouli, clove, bay), calcium bentonite clay, wild sassafras root bark, organic cinnamon bark, organic oats, sea salt

You don't have to be a chemist and you don't even have to know that aqua=water, because their shaving soap doesn't have any aqua in it.

Mmmm.... that is something I might have to try!

I personally try not to scaremonger. As i said, most people have no reaction to good quality soap, parabens or not. There is an ongoing debate as to whether parabens are harmful or not (there are some highly-disputed studies linking parabens in anti-perspirant to breast cancer). Just based on my own experience, my skin works better with natural products. Other people's MMV.
S'about choice really.:001_smile

[Dan Forest]

Aqua - Water
Stearic Acid - Tallow
Myristic Acid - Palm Oil
Potassium Hydroxide - Alkali used for converting oil to soap
Coconut Acid - Coconut Oil
Glycerin - Glycerin
Perfum - What it sounds like
Triethanolamine - pH buffer/stabiliser
Sodium Hydroxide - Alkali used for converting oil to soap
Methylparaben, Propylparaben - Preservatives
CI 19140, CI 42090, CI 14700 - ?
Alpha-Isomethyl Ionone - Probably some sort of synthetic flower scent
Benzyl Benzoate - Fixative to hold the scent
Citral, Coumarin, Hexyl Cinnamal, Limonene, Linalool - Natural scents

It's a little silly to think that because something is "natural" it's good for you and because it's synthetic it's bad, unfortunately the real world just isn't that simple.

Parabens have no toxicity as has been demonstrated by many studies. You simply cannot make soap without some sort of oil and either Potassium Hydroxide or Sodium Hydroxide. Some sort of preservative must be included or the stuff would go rancid before it reached you.

Enjoy your shave cream and don't pay any attention to this sort of ignorant scaremongering.


:em3200:I like to know the sources of the products that are used. With regard to just the first three ingredients, it is unknown what the source really is:

Aqua=Water

If a company states that they are using distilled water, then it is known that all the impurities are removed.

Stearic Acid=Tallow

Stearic acid is a saturated fatty acid that occurs in many animal and vegetable fats and oils, and it is a waxy solid. Its name comes from the Greek word stéar (genitive: stéatos), which means tallow. It is known that most toxins in animals, including humans, resides in these saturated fatty acids. Our skin absorbs anything that is put onto it. If the ingredient is animal fat (which it probably is), then it is probably coming from a commercial slaughterhouse, and the fat would contain all the chemicals that were pumped into the animal as well as toxins from any disease the animal may have. I don't want more toxins in my body.

Myristic Acid=Palm Oil

Myristic acid, also called tetradecanoic acid, is a common saturated fatty acid. Myristic acid is named after the nutmeg (Myristica fragrans). Nutmeg butter is 75% trimyristin, the triglyceride of myristic acid. Besides nutmeg, myristic acid is also found in palm oil, butter fat and spermacetin, the crystallized fraction of oil from the sperm whale. (Does size really make a difference?) The ingredient probably is from the oil palm tree, but is it palm oil or palm kernel oil? Was it processed through physical or chemical refining? If it was chemical then it is also bleached.




CONSCIOUSLY CHOOSING FOR MYSELF

[kongjie]

I found a company that uses truly natural ingredients.

Please post a review of this soap if you use it. Does sound yummy but I have my doubts about shaving performance.

[Walking_Target]

CI 19140, CI 42090, CI 14700

these are most likely colouring agents or dyes.

[Dan Forest]

Please post a review of this soap if you use it. Does sound yummy but I have my doubts about shaving performance.


I just received the shaving soap from a wild soap bar today. This will be the first shaving soap that I will try in my short career of wet shaving. I have been using creams up to this point. Although I won't be able to compare it to any other soap, I will be able to compare it to the experiences that I have had with creams. I'll get back to this thread in a week or two (when I have had enough experience with the soap) and give a review of it.

I wish I had that B&B 2008 LE brush now!:badger:

[Dan Forest]

I am not a chemist, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night...

Aqua = water.

There you have it. Now that all your questions have been answered we can close the thread. :biggrin:


:jump::jump::jump::jump::jump:

[studman46]

Oh, lovely Cinnamal!..'YOU GIVE ME FEVER...IN THE MORNING..FEVER ALL THRU THE NIGHT...FEVER!!!...WHAT A LOVELY WAY TO BURN!!!

Like to finish off a nice TOBS Sandlewood shave with a cold splash of Embalming Fluid...it closes pores, tightens skin, prevents skin aging, kills bacteria, and feels so good!!

[ateace]

some of the gel ingredients listed above included:

Isopentane, Isobutane, Propylene Glycol, Glyceryl Acrylate/Acrylic Acid Copolymer, PVM/MA Copolymer

I may be wrong about these. I'm no chemist, but these look like gas propellants, antifreeze and plastics. Very unappealing to me.

I did a bit of research on this and found that Tom's of Maine has the simplest, easiest-to-understand list of ingredients. Click on the link below, then click on "ingredients". They even explain the purpose of every ingredient used. No parabens, either, if you're concerned about those. I also like their minimal use of plastic (cap) for the packaging, which is a major downfall of other products marketed as all natural or organic.

http://www.tomsofmaine.com/toms/product.asp?dept%5Fid=550&pf%5Fid=BW%2DNSC

[talibeard]

Don't let your fusion hydra gel get too hot: the PTFE will fall apart in a lot of stuff including fluor gas; that kills.

[Walking_Target]

um... it may offgas fluorine, but the liklihood of any actually surviving to get out of the can would be just about nil.

Assuming it gets hot enough to break down PTFE, it would probably also destroy the plastic valving mechanism...

More than that, as Fluorine is one of the most reactive elements going, it would quickly react with another substance; probably not a good thing, but very unlikely that it would be gaseous or hightly toxic.

[talibeard]

um... it may offgas fluorine, but the liklihood of any actually surviving to get out of the can would be just about nil.

Assuming it gets hot enough to break down PTFE, it would probably also destroy the plastic valving mechanism...

More than that, as Fluorine is one of the most reactive elements going, it would quickly react with another substance; probably not a good thing, but very unlikely that it would be gaseous or hightly toxic.

Just kidding (more or less) ;you will have to heat it till over 300 degrees celsius before PTFE will fall apart. Whether this will cause serious problems depends a lot on the quantity that will be formed. Nevertheless I threw out all my wife's pans with a teflon coating when we got married and I will never buy myself a goretex waterproof (I like campfires too much) because of the PTFE in there. There are safer solutions.

[Walking_Target]

Well... Wool coats and cloaks are just as waterproof and breathable (not to mention highly fire resistant)

I only cook on Cast Iron and Stainless Steel myself....

[jfreaksho]

My house is paraben-free, after my wife discovered she has severe skin allergies to parabens, as well as a lot of other chemicals. (She'll break out in a rash on her feet from the residue in the shower if I use the wrong kind of shampoo.) Burt's Bees makes a shave cream, and most solid soaps do not contain parabens. Her sister-in-law makes natural soaps (on a farm in Kansas, but I don't recall the website) that work really well for shaving for me, but I don't have a brush and just rub it on my face.
J.

[NeckShaver]

:em3200:I like to know the sources of the products that are used. With regard to just the first three ingredients, it is unknown what the source really is:

Aqua=Water

If a company states that they are using distilled water, then it is known that all the impurities are removed.

Snip....

So I'm assuming you shower or bathe in only distilled water....:confused:

[Bobtrumpet]

Her sister-in-law makes natural soaps (on a farm in Kansas, but I don't recall the website) that work really well for shaving for me, but I don't have a brush and just rub it on my face.

Please post the site if you can. The soap junkies (no, not me, no way . . .) are always on the lookout for another new fix. :001_smile

[Dan Forest]

So I'm assuming you shower or bathe in only distilled water....:confused:


Not distilled water for showering, but filtered water from a whole house water filtering system that takes out almost all of the not-so-good stuff. (I like the word "stuff".) I find that organic fresh goat milk with a hint of cinnamon and nutmeg is great for baths. Consciously Choosing for Myself is the name of the game I play; with the emphasis on "Myself". :ladysman:

[jfreaksho]

Please post the site if you can. The soap junkies (no, not me, no way . . .) are always on the lookout for another new fix. :001_smile

By request...
http://www.fayefarms.com/homemade-soap/

I like the Sugar Daddy scent, but it appears to be sold out at the moment.
J.

[soapbuddy]

Handmade soaps have a higher PH than the synthetic ingredients used to make so called syndet bars (the stuff you buy at the grocery store).
Handmade soaps do not require a preservative.

I like to use the K.I.S.S. principle; the less ingredients, usually the better.
With that said, if I had to choose between the two, I would choose the second one. I prefer paraben free though, so it doesn't irritate my skin.

[NeckShaver]

Not distilled water for showering, but filtered water from a whole house water filtering system that takes out almost all of the not-so-good stuff. (I like the word "stuff".) I find that organic fresh goat milk with a hint of cinnamon and nutmeg is great for baths. Consciously Choosing for Myself is the name of the game I play; with the emphasis on "Myself". :ladysman:

You are one of a kind my man, but to each their own. By the way, how much does a bath tub full of goat milk cost you? :tongue_sm

[Dan Forest]

Please post a review of this soap if you use it. Does sound yummy but I have my doubts about shaving performance.


I tried the shaving soap (their soap specifically stated as a shaving soap) from A Wild Soap Bar and I did not like it. I have only used Taylor of Old Bond Street Lavender Shaving Cream and Saint Charles Shave Coconut Oil Shaving Cream, prior to using this soap. In comparing it to the creams, the creams seemed to have a more dense lather, but the soap was as slick as the creams. I have very sensitive skin and both of the creams and this soap left me with razor burn on my neck . (I have tried lighter pressure with my razor and have used the sampler pack of blades.) Although I don't like to put anything on my face after the shave, I always had to because both of the creams and this soap left my face feeling dry and tight. None of these effects are present with another soap that they make, called Wild Carrot Complexion Soap.

At the time that I ordered the shaving soap, I ordered a bath soap bar with shea butter in it. When I decided that I did not like the shaving soap, I tried the bath soap bar with the shea butter for shaving and I found that I did not have the razor burns. I checked their (A Wild Soap Bar) web site again and found a bath soap bar called Wild Carrot Complexion Soap and ordered this soap to try and shave with. The ingredients are a bit different than what was in the soap bar that I originally had with the shea butter in it.

I ordered the Wild Carrot Complexion Soap and found it to be fantastic for me to shave with. I did not do any preparation of my beard prior to shaving. I face lathered and it was really, really easy to make lather from this soap. No burns or bumps, no need to put anything on my face after the shave (except water - filtered of course), and no weepers - Baby Butt Smooth and Baby Butt Soft.


Wild Carrot Complexion Soap
http://www.awildsoapbar.com/product.asp?productid=413473
Our creamy ultra moisturizing Wild Carrot Complexion Soap contains wild African shea butter, goat milk, wild carrot extracts, and a therapeutic blend of anti-aging essential oils. (4 oz. labeled bar) Ingredients: saponified cold pressed olive oil, coconut oil, wild shea butter, and castor oil, distilled water, goat milk, essential oils (fennel, carrot seed, frankincense, palmarosa, benzoin, rose geranium), wild carrot herb and root, organic oats, sea salt

Since this is the soap that I will now be using for my shaves, I milled it in my Mini Cuisinart and pressed it into the bowl that I wanted to use. The Cuisinart makes milling the soap really easy and fast (I cut the soap into about eight chunks prior to putting into the Cuisinart). You will see on B&B that some of the members melt their soaps to fit into a specific bowl. This soap is made by the cold process method and therefore I didn't want to heat it.

P.S. I have been using this soap for about a week now. I definitely believe that it is the shea butter that makes the difference for me. I still do no prep on my face prior to face lathering and I go directly to shaving. I have had no razor burns or bumps, and I put nothing on after the shave because the shea butter soaks into my skin and keeps it conditioned. I definitely recommend the Wild Carrot Complexion Soap for shaving. Baby Butt Smooth and Baby Butt Soft.:thumbup: There is a listing of stores that carry their products http://www.awildsoapbar.com/default.asp?pageid=40610 or you can order it on-line.

[ColbyPants]

I don't want more toxins in my body.

I guess, as I sit here eating my fatty dinner and drinking this glass of bourbon, pondering the lovely hadmade Dominican Puro that will follow, I have decided if the cream gets my face the way I want it to look, and smells nice, without overtly attempting to kill me, I am okay with some "artificial" ingredients.

[Dan Forest]

You are one of a kind my man, but to each their own. By the way, how much does a bath tub full of goat milk cost you? :tongue_sm

Not much: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1388/1174307455_02166332d4.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.flickr.com/photos/circulating/1174307455/&h=500&w=400&sz=162&tbnid=WhLWgMzSbqcJ::&tbnh=130&tbnw=104&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgoat%2Bmilking&usg=__Hh-gl6Ny8vNbrnD0r05En3DDyYE=&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&cd=1:lol:

[ColbyPants]

Not much: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1388/1174307455_02166332d4.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.flickr.com/photos/circulating/1174307455/&h=500&w=400&sz=162&tbnid=WhLWgMzSbqcJ::&tbnh=130&tbnw=104&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgoat%2Bmilking&usg=__Hh-gl6Ny8vNbrnD0r05En3DDyYE=&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&cd=1:lol:


Now that is funny.

[Zach V.]

Enjoy your shave cream and don't pay any attention to this sort of ignorant scaremongering.

Hilarious.

[rickw]

Goats milk comes in a powdered form. Just add water.