The DE Buyers Guide....

[joel]

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DE, DE, which one for me?

This is the tune nearly all of us have hummed at one point… so many options, so little information, and such a price difference! Who wants to buy a well built implement that will last generations, only to find out they over/under bought, or just plumb purchased the wrong razor for their wants, needs, and desired effect? Well – I aim to clear up some confusion, and give you the knowledge to venture forward with the purchase of the RIGHT double edge razor for your wants and needs.

First off – What are your wants, desires, and end goals? Some of you may be fighting a horrid ingrown hair problem, where as others might be getting severe irritation from conventional products/methods, or the last group… wanting the closest possible shave. Before you read any further – stop and truly think about what your desired goal is. ANYONE can get a perfectly baby butt smooth face, the distinction is how long it will take them to do so, and how torn up their face will be. There must be a balance between closeness and comfort/irritation. Also, keep the size of the razor in mind… if you are a very large individual, a tiny razor is not going to be as effective, as it will be hard to hold and control and you will inadvertently apply too much pressure, and have miserable shaves. Conversely, if you are a smaller individual, a large razor will be a bit too unwieldy, be too large for you hands/face and be a bit laborious.

Adjustable or Fixed head?
There is no real NEED for an adjustable razor, however with an adjustable razor – you are armed with the ability to essentially make the razor “mimic” other razors. If you wish for an incredibly close, aggressive shave, you can dial the razor in accordingly; just as you can dial it down and have an incredibly comfortable, smooth (yet not baby’s butt smooth) shave. Many of us do not want to fumble with adjustments, and typically end up sticking to one “medium” not so aggressive setting on an adjustable anyways – so adjustable, at least for me is not a major selling point in my eyes. Fixed head razors, in my opinion tend to be a bit more rigid, and provide a more consistent shave, are far less prone to break or “loosen up” and are far less expensive. It boils down to the type of person you are… if you truly feel you would get so involved as to change settings on different passes, etc – then the adjustable razor might be your ticket! Remember – the best is NOT always the most expensive.

Razor by Razor “review/comparison”
So you know you want a DE, but are still not sure which one? Here are several examples of DE’s that are currently in production, and can be readily purchased at specialty stores on via the internet.

FIXED HEADED RAZORS….

Merkur Classic HD
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I would recommend this razor for EVERYONE. Aggressive enough to get a superb shave, but delicate enough to make it difficult to really make hamburger out of your face. A wonderfully comfortable, balanced and easy to use tool. This razor is perfect for those who have normal to sensitive skin, and a light to moderate beard. It can and will work well for those with tougher beards, but there are better solutions out there for you tougher bearded fellas, so keep reading. This razor is also quite reasonably priced, and will provide you with generations of use. Only complaint? The razor is a bit small. The long handle might be a better option for some of us bigger guys….
Razor Stats
Handle Length: 2.65in
Beard: Light to Medium
Skin Type: Sensitive to Normal
Skill Level: Beginner to Advanced
Level of aggression (1-5): 2

Merkur Slant Bar
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If the HD or Classic won’t cut it, this ugly beast is your ticket. This is in my opinion the most effective shaving device (save for a straight razor) and happens to be my favorite DE razor. Baby butt smooth shaves with zero irritation – but it does come at a cost. This razor has quite an aggressive stance, and if used improperly, or by an unskilled hand, will cause TREMENDOUS damage to your face. So long as you keep it slow, steady and apply ZERO pressure, you should be fine. If you do NOT have an incredibly thick, tough beard, this is not needed, and a Merkur classic/HD should do the trick just fine. If used correctly this is an incredibly effective tool, and CAN be incredibly easy on the skin. Great size and weight, but a bit small for those of us with large hands.
Razor Stats
Handle Length: 2.65in
Beard: Heavy to Werewolf
Skin Type: Normal to Leather Tough
Skill Level: Advanced
Level of aggression (1-5): 5


ADJUSTABLE RAZORS…

Merkur Progress
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The Progress is just one of those all around fantastic tools, and I highly recommend it to beginners. Good size, weight, adjustments, built well, bulletproof. This is the “Honda” of razors, just gets the job done, does not make any lofty claims or excuses. It isn’t the closest shaving razor, it isn’t the best looking razor, and it isn’t the most comfortable or luxurious, but it is superb, and it is a fantastic deal. This razor can be dialed down to work wonders for those with a light to medium-tough beard, and sensitive to normal skin. The handle is a touch on the short side, but it is large enough to work acceptably for those with large hands.
Razor Stats
Handle Length: 3in
Beard: Light to Medium/heavy
Skin Type: Sensitive to Normal
Skill Level: Beginner to Advanced
Level of aggression (1-5): 2-4

Merkur Futur
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The futur is an interesting tool. It has an incredibly heavy handle, with a light head. Very awkward and prone to slip when gripped with a wet hand. This razor sports an impressive range of adjustments and is highly effective – but it is strange to use, and not much entertainment or elegance to it. The blade loading and unloading mechanism is TERRIBLE, as it is cheap, and quite dangerous. Some are quite fond of the Merkur futur, but it is my opinion the Merkur Progress is a much better razor, and is less costly, so I do NOT recommend the futur.
Razor Stats
Handle Length: 3.5in
Beard: Light to Heavy
Skin Type: Sensitive to Tough as leather
Skill Level: Advanced
Level of aggression (1-5): 3-4

Merkur Vision
http://www.badgerandblade.com/pics/vision/IMG_0288.jpg
The “bad boy” of the Merkur adjustable line. This thing is a monster, and provides the widest array of adjustments, the greatest handle size, the best weight distribution and the coolest “look.” Although it is quite pricey, I feel it is a superb razor, and with its lifetime warranty, it is more of an “investment” compared to the aforementioned razors. This razor is superb for both the beginner (with the ability to REALLY dial it down) and for the advanced “baby face” junkie as this thing can be opened up to REALLY and I mean REALLY get serious. A vision opened to its widest setting is an incredibly fearsome force. This is a fantastic razor as it give you “growing room” so a beginner never has to worry about needing more firepower.
Razor Stats
Handle Length: 4in
Beard: Light to werewolf
Skin Type: Sensitive to Tough As Leather
Skill Level: Beginner to Advanced
Level of aggression (1-5): 1-5

OVERALL
No one razor is truly perfect for everyone…. Choose wisely, but my suggestion is to start with a Merkur Classic HD, and if you ever feel the need for a closer, more aggressive shave, upgrade to a Merkur Slant Bar.

Just remeber... take your time and buy the right razor.... just look at the size difference of the two "bad boys"
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Big difference from razor to razor... if you have any questions feel free to tack them onto this thread!

[Austin]

Joel, thanks for the great write-up. Very informative.

[rtaylor61]

Joel,

Great job. Any plans to do a review of Gillette and/or injectors?

Randy

[Bill]

Joel, great post! Always learn alot from your write-ups. Really appreciate all of the info you provide on this forum. :thumbup1:

[joel]

Joel,

Great job. Any plans to do a review of Gillette and/or injectors?

Randy


Gotta be honest with you.... I am not a fan of Gillette razors - I find them medeocre at best, and I have only used one injector - and was not over impressed either. Dunno what it is, but can't get a superb shave with a Gillette DE.

[Joe Lerch]

Great post Joel. I feel the same way about the Gillettes. I think they're just too tame. That might be OK for a newbie, but it loses its appeal after a while, and it becomes frustrating to get close.

I've had my Futur for 40 years and I have always thought it was too harsh. I didn't have the benefit of this kind of site when I first started with it, and it took a long time before I could get past a 3. I think it should go up to 5 in aggressiveness.

One thing that might be of interest is that the slant and Futur are transformed by Feather blades. They both become much smoother, and even closer shavers. The slant becomes unbelievably smooth and can (must) be used with the lightest touch. They are only for those with advanced shaving technique. On repeated tests, both of them shave closer than a str8 for me. Chris Moss has found the same thing.

People are also experimenting with cutoff Feather blades in injector razors. This proves to be an amazing combination, shaving incredibly close with the lightest touch. I use it as a touch up razor and it can improve on a str8, because it is so maneuverable.

[guenron]

Hi Joel,
:em2300: Well done, but where are the toothed comb razors and the long handle? Come on Joel! No review is complete without these two. RAD must be radical!

[joel]

Hi Joel,
:em2300: Well done, but where are the toothed comb razors and the long handle? Come on Joel! No review is complete without these two. RAD must be radical!

Ron,
I have used a few open combs, and don't think they are too notable... nothing all that special. I haven't actually used a long handle, but I wouldn't mind having one. Care to donate? :biggrin:

[guenron]

Ron,
I have used a few open combs, and don't think they are too notable... nothing all that special. I haven't actually used a long handle, but I wouldn't mind having one. Care to donate? :biggrin:
:em3400: Swap ya' my new longhandle for that new camera? Is it a deal??
A Rosey Picture - Gently Used, Driven by Mature Male Only (http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php?t=449)

[rtaylor61]

Joel,

Just to add to your excellent review of the Merkur HD Classis. The HD stands for "Heavy Duty", and it does have some "heft" to it. If for no other reason, I believe that alone makes this an ideal razor for beginners. It was my first DE, and is my "go to" razor. With it's weight, it makes using "no pressure" easy. The weight of this razor alone will aid in a great shave. And as far as the handle length, at first I felt like a longer handle would be better, but now feel that it is fine the way it is, and I am definitely a bigger guy!

Great description of this fine product!

Randy

[Joe Lerch]

I no longer recommend the HD to newbies. I recommend the Progress, because it makes it possible to turn the exposure way down, making it easier for them to get started. I think they need to maximize their chances of success, don't you?


Joel,

Just to add to your excellent review of the Merkur HD Classis. The HD stands for "Heavy Duty", and it does have some "heft" to it. If for no other reason, I believe that alone makes this an ideal razor for beginners. It was my first DE, and is my "go to" razor. With it's weight, it makes using "no pressure" easy. The weight of this razor alone will aid in a great shave. And as far as the handle length, at first I felt like a longer handle would be better, but now feel that it is fine the way it is, and I am definitely a bigger guy!

Great description of this fine product!

Randy

[rtaylor61]

Joe,

As much as I always value your input and opinion, this time I would disagree. Only for one reason. When learning wet shaving, technique is key. Keeping things the same is important. And if given the option, someone new, who experiences 2-3 improved shaves in a row, will immediately start tampering with the settings. So, if they start at 2 and get good shaves, will they then turn the setting up to it's maximum? My guess is that they will! It's like aspirin. If 2 help with a headache, 10 will eliminate it! Although I don't have a Progress (yet), I believe it offers too many variables. I have come to the opinion, based on my experience, that someone new should start with one razor, one cream or soap, and stay with it for at least a month. This will allow for learning. Experimentation can come later. Definitely just my opinion, and no disrepect to you for your opinion.

Randy

[roughrider]

Awesome job Joel.

[Joe Lerch]

I agree with what you say, but I have more confidence in users. Although they might do what you say, when they run into trouble, they'll know why, hopefully by reading posts like this. If not, whe they come asking for help, we can tell them why, but at least they will have experienced some success.

In the mean time, I've found that too many newbies fail because the HD is too aggressive, and they give up in frustration. Having the option to start at a 1 or 2 instead of 3.5 can often make the difference between failure and success in learnng the right technique. We're each an experiment of one. I can only tell you that you're one of the lucky ones.

What turned me around on this is all the reading and e-mail on method shaving. They put a newbie right on a Progress with Feather blades! And they have a pretty good success rate with difficult problems. So, my thinking is that just on a statistical basis, I can help a lot more people by suggesting a Progress with a tamer blade like a Merkur and a starting setting of 2 for a month. They still have the option of dialing down if necessary.


Joe,

As much as I always value your input and opinion, this time I would disagree. Only for one reason. When learning wet shaving, technique is key. Keeping things the same is important. And if given the option, someone new, who experiences 2-3 improved shaves in a row, will immediately start tampering with the settings. So, if they start at 2 and get good shaves, will they then turn the setting up to it's maximum? My guess is that they will! It's like aspirin. If 2 help with a headache, 10 will eliminate it! Although I don't have a Progress (yet), I believe it offers too many variables. I have come to the opinion, based on my experience, that someone new should start with one razor, one cream or soap, and stay with it for at least a month. This will allow for learning. Experimentation can come later. Definitely just my opinion, and no disrepect to you for your opinion.

Randy

[rtaylor61]

Having the option to start at a 1 or 2 instead of 3.5 can often make the difference between failure and success in learnng the right technique...

Joe,

That's a valid point I had not considered!

Randy

[Shermdog]

Been doing this for a couple months. Bought an HD from Charles.....

It has been easy to learn thanks to this forum and SMF too. I have very sensative skin and a beard made of steel cables....I find the HD is easy for me to get the baby butt smoooooth shave in two passes.

Also, I am 6'4" and 210 pounds. The size of the handle was hard at first, but I am used to it now and find it perfect. Makes it easier to get under the nose and around the jaw line.I think the shorter handle gives excellent feedback and makes a more precise shave due to better "feel."

At any rate, I am very pleased with the HD. More than I thought. If I ever go for anything else in the razor world, it would be a slant bar. But until then, SCAD is here to stay!

[EcoRick]

After reading it, I was glad that I purchased the HD as my first (and to this point, only) DE razor. I am also new to DE shaving and the Merkur HD was my first experience. I certainly had a few false starts, but no visible scars and within 1 week felt very comfortable with it. If I had bought the Progress, there is no doubt I would have been one of those that pushed the razor to it's max before I knew how. The fact that I was careful and read the suggestions on this site seemed to be very helpful to me. I would also not shy away from recommending the HD to a newbie.

[Joe Lerch]

I have to admit that when I got my Merkur I was a young wippersnapper and tried to dial it up the first time, just like you think you might have done. But anyone with sense backs off pretty quickly. It's not a pleasant sensation when you don't know what you're doing, and you do know why it's not working for you.


After reading it, I was glad that I purchased the HD as my first (and to this point, only) DE razor. I am also new to DE shaving and the Merkur HD was my first experience. I certainly had a few false starts, but no visible scars and within 1 week felt very comfortable with it. If I had bought the Progress, there is no doubt I would have been one of those that pushed the razor to it's max before I knew how. The fact that I was careful and read the suggestions on this site seemed to be very helpful to me. I would also not shy away from recommending the HD to a newbie.

[alchemist]

Joel:
Thanks for the informative guide. Also, i never did get a chance to thank you and Bernd for the SMF brush, which i am very happy with.
Regards,
Mahesh

[Scotto]

Nice guide, Joel. Now I want me some slantbar....

[Rik]

Very nicely done!

[ouch]

Excellent post, Joel. Until about a year ago, if someone had told me that I would someday consider the mundane routine of shaving to be a hobby of mine, I would have thought of them as daft.
I came to this hobby by way of kitchen knives. I have some pretty good ones, and after some time have developed a pretty decent ability to put an edge on one. Boy, do I have a lot of stones! Honing a razor, I have found, is a different animal altogether. I've had some reasonable success with some NOS straights, and am developing a love for Thiers-Issard.
Still, my earliest memories of shaving are watching my dad with his old Gillette DE, so I had to get one. I bought the much maligned Feather DE, and although it is just about entirely plastic, I kind of like it. I wanted to but a better one, so my natural inclination was to spring for the Merkur Vision- I'm the type of guy that usually finds that the "best" isn't nearly good enough. So it was so nice to read your comments regarding these devices. I will take your advice and get a non-adjustible Merkur, either an HD or a long handled.
Of course, I'll be needing a better strop, and a better brush, and oh god do all those lovely soaps, creams, and a/s's beckon! No sweat: with audio equipment, cameras, wine, motorcycles, tropical fish, and knives as my main hobbies, shaving- with all of its attendant gear- will have a hard time breaking into my top six most expensive pursuits.

Thanks for all the great info. Hope to be sticking around here for a while.

[straightman]

I think that a very underrated and oft forgotten Merkur is the very slightly more aggressive than HD, 1904. That thing gives fabulous shaves, especially if you're looking to go one step beyond an HD in "aggressiveness". The 1904 is the least expensive DE Merkur makes and is often overlooked in favor of the other razors in the line. And while I'm on the subject of underrated razors in the Merkur lineup the Vision is no slouch. It can be tamed to train newbies but can also open up to shave like a straight. I find it ironic that 2 of Merkur's most overlooked razors are their most and least expensive models. Just my 2 cents worth.:confused:

Tom

[threeputt]

What would you guys recommend for a DE newbie to try? I shave predominately with a straight, but on occasion I will use an ancient Schick Injector if I'm in a rush to get out the door. I have a couple of old Gillette DE's that I ended up with somehow, both adjustables, and picked up a SuperSpeed last weekend at an antique shop for $5. I gather that Gillette isn't really a match for Merkur? Aggressive isn't a problem for me, and actually preferred, but bear in mind I have no experience with a DE. I'm thinking slant bar or vision...thoughts appreciated...

Jeff

[rtaylor61]

Jeff,

I have Gillette adjustables, non-adjustables and a Merkur HD Classic and now a Progress. For a newbie who plans to use the razor, I like the HD or the Progress. I think the head design makes getting technique and angle perfected a bit easier. I'm looking for an HD for my son to use now. He has a Gillette, but I'd like to add some variety for him.

Randy

[threeputt]

Ah to hell with that Randy. I ordered a slant bar and some feathers! :w00t: I shaved with the superspeed and a drug store blade and it went beautifully. Took 3 passes to get "str8 smooth" though, and it tugged a bit on the first pass. No irritation, nicks or burn though, I'm happy to report. It took me about the same amount of time with this DE as it does with a str8. I can't make a good judgement on just one shave, but I don't think the DE will replace my str8s. I like the idea of experimenting though, and if I can build up a little speed with this thing, then I might travel with one. One thing, it was definitely easier going against the grain under my chin. Str8s always give me a little difficulty there. Tough call between this and the injector though for touch-ups or hurry days...more to follow later..

[rtaylor61]

Jeff,

I would never want the DE to replace my straights...I enjoy them too much, but my shave is quicker with the DE. Most of the time I now shave at night to have time to use the straights...I don't need any more scars!:biggrin: I'm looking at add the Slant as I understand it is as close to a straight shave as you can get with a DE...just don't think I'll load a Feather on the first run. I had an email from Charles at QED, and he does stock the Slant for $33.00, but it is not currently listed on his website.

Randy

[Scotto]

I got my slant from Charles. Personally I think it shaves better with a Merkur blade, but YMMV.

[threeputt]

I have some CVS blades, some ancient Gillettes that came with that $5 superspeed but I'll probably tuck those away, the feathers on the way, and I ordered one pack of merkurs with the slant and feathers from Ray's place. Just in case. I've read so many stories about how sharp the feathers are, I figured I needed a backup plan!

Jeff

[Joe Lerch]

Jeff, I'd be interested in your reaction to the slant/feather combination in comparidon to a str8. I find it to be every bit as good in terms of closeness.

I still need to make an adjustment whenever I switch between str8s and DEs (I use Feathers on all of them). I find the str8s require pressure and pull a little bit. For that reason I can't use them against the grain in the mustache area. If I switch to a str8 after using DEs a while, the shave always feels a little rougher. If I go from using str8s for a while to DEs, I find I use too much pressure and sometimes I nick myself. The adjustment is quick, but there is one.

[threeputt]

I'll definitely post my thoughts and experiences. I'm predominately a str8 user, although I have played with an old injector from time to time, and I have used my new (old) superspeed a few times. I'm anxious to try the slant, I must admit.

Jeff


Jeff, I'd be interested in your reaction to the slant/feather combination to a str8. I find it to be every bit as good in terms of closeness.

I still need to make an adjustment whenever I switch between str8s and DEs (I use Feathers on all of them). I find the str8s require pressure and pull a little bit. For that reason I can't use them against the grain in the mustache area. If I switch to a str8 after using DEs a while, the shave always feels a little rougher. If I go from using str8s for a while to DEs, I find I use too much pressure and sometimes I nick myself. The adjustment is quick, but there is one.

[threeputt]

My slant came in this afternoon, but, as luck would have it, I got a better-than-usual, really REALLY close str8 shave today before work. I probably won't have enough to shave tomorrow. I'll try the slant on my next shave for sure.

Jeff

[rtaylor61]

My slant came in this afternoon, but, as luck would have it, I got a better-than-usual, really REALLY close str8 shave today before work. I probably won't have enough to shave tomorrow. I'll try the slant on my next shave for sure.

Jeff

Jeff,

If you don't like the Slant, you can always send it to me! Oh, and include that old "bottle" that you have! :001_tt2:

Randy

[threeputt]

:biggrin: :biggrin:

[threeputt]

OK so I didn't really need to shave this afternoon before work, but decided to give the slant bar a try anyway. Maybe I should have waited a day! Put in a feather blade, and the shave was very smooth and effortless. I'll say this much, the first pass, N-S, is the closest first pass I've had with any razor, ever. I probably should have stopped there. I couldn't stand it though, and did an against the grain pass. It went fine everywhere except my neck directly above the adams apple. I stretched the skin like I do with a str8, and ended up with a little razor rash. Nothing that cold water didn't put a quick stop to, but still it's a little sensitive down there even now ~ 6 hours later. No blood ran, but it got that red spotty look, if that makes sense. These blades are indeed sharp, and that slant is indeed aggressive! With one shave, I haven't made up my mind yet. It is a very small razor, not much to hang on to, but I think I could get used to it. It is fast for sure, and a good single pass with this combo is a very good shave in itself, but I may have stretched my skin too tight for the S-N pass on my neck. Thoughts?

[atnight]

My thought is I think a Merkur or Hoffritz Slant will be my next razor acquisition!

[joel]

It is fast for sure, and a good single pass with this combo is a very good shave in itself, but I may have stretched my skin too tight for the S-N pass on my neck. Thoughts?

All razors require a bit of an "introduction" if you will. It depends on the lather you've got, whether it is a soap or a cream, how "loose" the skin is on your neck, etc etc. It is really hard to gve specific advice in regards to DE's, however - with a light touch, and good lubrication, you can never do HARM by not pulling the skin as tight as you normally would. I'd say experiement (albeit carefully) and make sure to take it slow and easy as you get used to the slant-beast. If I may - I recommend you start off using the slant with Merkur blades, as it will give you a much more user friendly introduction to your new pal.

:thumbup1:

[bladerunner]

Hello-I have the merkur razors. The DE slant bar is hard to manage without cutting one's face, but does give a close shave. In regards to the adjustables. I prefer the Progress to Future and Vision because it's easier to handle and less expensive. The Future scrapes my face too much and the handle slipped in my wet hand nicking my throat. The Vision comes apart for cleaning like a gun, but be careful on reassembling it, because if not done properly it can missalign. They are are expensive, but can sometimes be purchased cheaper on Ebay or Corrado's Cutlery in SKokie Il, and 2-3yrs ago there was a sale on merkur razors at the Nashville Knifeshop.
I like merkur interchangable with adapters that accomodate Trac ll, Sensor, Protector(no longer manufatured by Schick, but sometimes you can find the blades at Big Lots),and Atra. A bit of warning the Protector adapters tend to pop off and are thin, though Classic Shaving sells repalcements. But in the long run for economy sake purchase some Gillette adjustables on Ebay. Once in a while one can get them cheap, plus they have a 1-9 setting as opposed to the Merkur 1-6.

[htownmmm]

J,

Great review- i wished i had seen it on my return to wetshaving. In fact, I am someone who started off with the merkur hd and after 3 weeks ,moved 2 the vision. the main reason I changed is that I do change the settings when shaving my cheeks, neck, and 'goat' area.

also, the hd would cramp my hand( holding it tightly because of its small size); however, now when i shave, i do the first pass with the vision and the 2nd pass with the hd. since the hd isn't being used as the main shaver, it doesn't cramp my hand now(or my technique has improved:wink: ) and my face ends up BBS.

now if i could only find a review for large brushes.........


marty

[guenron]

J,

...SNIP...
now if i could only find a review for large brushes.........


marty
Hi Marty,
We are going through a cycle here at B&B where suddenly all the young lads are going from the sublime (BIG KNOT Brushes) to the ridiculous (diminutive knot Brushes)..
I have some pix and some words for several 26mm, 28mm, and larger brushes. What are you looking to do? UPsize, UPgrade, or both? What are you using now?

[ead]

Great review :thumbup1:

Now I want to try out the slant too :smile:

[lorcandaly]

Im a newbie also and am now slightly confused as some people are reccomending an adjustable to start out as its possible to 'scale down' the severity of the shave-while others suggest the HD (what does this stand for-id appreciate a link to this razor) as one to start out with! Iv read alot of reviews at this stage and am very keen to make a purchase but i genuinely dont know which one to get! I have sensitive skin, ingrown hairs on the neck and particullary sensitive skin on my jaw bone. Again im completely new to the DE and will be coming off a Mach 3!

[DoubleE]

Im a newbie also and am now slightly confused as some people are reccomending an adjustable to start out as its possible to 'scale down' the severity of the shave-while others suggest the HD (what does this stand for-id appreciate a link to this razor) as one to start out with! Iv read alot of reviews at this stage and am very keen to make a purchase but i genuinely dont know which one to get! I have sensitive skin, ingrown hairs on the neck and particullary sensitive skin on my jaw bone. Again im completely new to the DE and will be coming off a Mach 3!

Welcome to the journey that will likely take you down the path to multiple razors, blades, creams, soaps, etc.... and turning the mundane act of shaving into something you look forward to.

As you've already found, there are two mindsets as to whether you should start with an adjustable or a non-adjustable. The adjustables will allow you to adjust the distance from the safety bar to the blade to increase or decrease the safety margin. The non-adjustables tend to be somewhere in the middle, generaly near the lower end, and some think you can learn your craft without the variables of adjusting the razor.

Which is correct? Probably both. The HD stands for heavy duty and Joel shows a picture of one in the start of this thread. It's pictured by itself under the first three razors. It has a fat, short handle that some love, some hate.

If I were going to recommend an adjustable to you, it would be the Progress. It's the mildest of the 3 adjustable Merkurs by far. My personal favorite non-adjustable is the long handle classic becuase I much prefer the handle length to that of the HD. Personal preferences.

The older Gillettes are nice adjustables that tend to run on the mild side so don't discount those either. Like most of us, you'll likely try several razors before you find what works best for you. Good luck.

[AFDavis11]

Joel, another interesting review and of what I must say is a topic I'd never try to attack. I've been thinking a little lately about the Vision as the HD and Long Classic aren't big enough for me. Lately I've heard about QC issues with the Vision 2000 so I'm getting turned off fast. I thought I might find something nice for the rushed mornings, over a straight.

So, one, could you comment on these issues and two, I've owned the Futur and didn't like it. Heavy and impossible to get under my nose. Is the Vision anymore manageable?

I use Feather blades typically if it matters.

[mparker762]

The Vision is bigger and heavier and clumsier than the Futur. I'm not sure how prevalent the QC issues are with the Vision. Mine took some adjusting, but now it's pretty good except for a slightly different blade gap on both sides. OTOH so do my two fatboys, it's just that their blade gap is so small to begin with that it's harder to tell visually, but it shows up in the shave. The Fatboys didn't cost $100 though (pre-fatboy-craze, I've heard they're pretty pricey nowadays).

One thing I like about the Vision that has gradually swayed me over to its side is the aural feedback, which is similar to a full hollow straight. I've gotten used to it with the straights and it feels kind of odd shaving with a Gillette since my usual feedback is missing.

[digitldlnkwnt]

Joe,

As much as I always value your input and opinion, this time I would disagree. Only for one reason. When learning wet shaving, technique is key. Keeping things the same is important.

Randy

Noted here as well. I started with a Future and just ended up confusing myself. If i started over again I would go non-adjustable HD. I have a regular classic now which I love....yes it's it light but my touch with razor is light as well and with a Feather....'nough said.

[SilverKarn]

You should mention in your talk about adjustables that the best way to use them is to dial it up and down for different parts of your face.

heck, somewhere on this forum someone posted the original instructions that came with a gillette adjustable, and it says right in there to adjust to different numbers according to the sensitivity/areas of your face.

EG: 4 for your cheecks and jawline, 3 or 2 for your more sensitive neck areas

[Risky]

I'd like to see a guide like this for Gillettes.

Anyway joel just one thing:
Are you sure you didn't get the Futur and the Vision mixed up?
You said the handle is heavy and the head light. This is just not true. The head is heavier as the razor is perfectly balenced on the tapered area beneath the adjustment dial where you are supposed to hold it. I do not find it awkward nor has it ever slipped, and I have large hands.

As for

The blade loading and unloading mechanism is TERRIBLE, as it is cheap, and quite dangerous.
I don't see how it is any more dangerous than any other razor. If anything it is an advantage over TTO mechanisms as you don't have to worry about weather it is closed tightly enough. I would hardly call it cheap either. Nothing on the Futur feels cheap to me.

I know everyone's experience is unique and we all have our personal opinions on each razor but I just feel you are being overly critical of a fantastic razor which many have no issues with at all. However, you are full of praise for the Vision, a razor with a history of problems and which many people have had to return to Merkur for replacements.

[Areler67]

Hello,

My first De razor was a Wilkinson classic DE back in 1992 then I choose to return to disposable razors for more than 10 years:cursing: :cursing: last november I discovered the real thing : Badger and blade and I decided to buy my first real DE : a merkur classic with Feathers. Then a 1949 SS, then a L type injector etc, etc.
I've got quiet a strong beard and I Think a classic Merkur is a good start (when I say classic I mean classic not the HD)
I think the more important thing is to be patient and relax when you first start with a DE. You have to take your time and you'll get great results.

[Joe Lerch]

Joe,

As much as I always value your input and opinion, this time I would disagree. Only for one reason. When learning wet shaving, technique is key. Keeping things the same is important.

Randy


Noted here as well. I started with a Future and just ended up confusing myself. If i started over again I would go non-adjustable HD. I have a regular classic now which I love....yes it's it light but my touch with razor is light as well and with a Feather....'nough said.I agree that technique is prime and that consistency is great, but not if it's consistently bad.

You have to have the discipline not to play with the adjustable. By starting at something like a 2 setting you can concentrate on technique without the harshness that a fixed head Merkur can present to a newbie. Some guys have difficulty with that. In any case, it makes it easier to learn technique and develop consistency. Then you can crank up the exposure to get the closeness you want.

The Futur is not a good choice for a newbie, because it's harsh. I don't know what was so confusing. All you had to do was set it on 2 and forget about it. Maybe you couldn't resist playing with it.

[digitldlnkwnt]

woooooooah...That was only my opinion, and how i feel about starting out with an adjustable. I'm sorry if i came across with effect of "startign with an adjustable is inherently bad"...that wasn't my point.

Having options isn't bad, it just wasn't for me. Setting the Futur 2 wasn't that great, 3 was worse, and shaving on 1 took me forever. Add to that I had a sampler pack of blades (highly recommended) and what i ended up doing was trying to dial in each blade perfectly to my face, instead of focusing on technique.
Some people share my views, other's don't. I bought the Futur because of the 89235634756783265632465 and one good reviews i read about it, aotof them from people with sparse beards like mine.

"The Futur is not a good choice for a newbie, because it's harsh. I don't know what was so confusing. All you had to do was set it on 2 and forget about it. Maybe you couldn't resist playing with it.-Joe Lerch"

This razor proved to be very harsh on me, hence why i played with it so much....to try and make it unharsh. Lesson learned for me.

Due to this personal experience of mine, I have started to ponder the world of straights, thinking that If all i need is one blade and something to hold it to get a great shave...you can't get much more basic than a straight.

I hope that clarifys, my stance on the whole "starting with adjustables or fixed" issue.

The bottom line is there are just one too many beards in this forum for any one opinion to be right.

[DoubleE]

woooooooah...That was only my opinion, and how i feel about starting out with an adjustable. I'm sorry if i came across with effect of "startign with an adjustable is inherently bad"...that wasn't my point.

Having options isn't bad, it just wasn't for me. Setting the Futur 2 wasn't that great, 3 was worse, and shaving on 1 took me forever. Add to that I had a sampler pack of blades (highly recommended) and what i ended up doing was trying to dial in each blade perfectly to my face, instead of focusing on technique.
Some people share my views, other's don't. I bought the Futur because of the 89235634756783265632465 and one good reviews i read about it, aotof them from people with sparse beards like mine.

"The Futur is not a good choice for a newbie, because it's harsh. I don't know what was so confusing. All you had to do was set it on 2 and forget about it. Maybe you couldn't resist playing with it.-Joe Lerch"

This razor proved to be very harsh on me, hence why i played with it so much....to try and make it unharsh. Lesson learned for me.

Due to this personal experience of mine, I have started to ponder the world of straights, thinking that If all i need is one blade and something to hold it to get a great shave...you can't get much more basic than a straight.

I hope that clarifys, my stance on the whole "starting with adjustables or fixed" issue.

The bottom line is there are just one too many beards in this forum for any one opinion to be right.

Only one? :biggrin: There are as many opinions on this board as there are members. Some sing the praises of a "you name the product", while others wrinkle their noses at it. What you really get is "This is what works for me and what I like based on my technique, and personal preferences." We just need to remember there is no "right" when it comes to products. The exception would be fundamentals such as good prep, not using too much pressure, etc.


Oh, yeah, and the long handle classic is the BEST razor EVER!!:wink1:

[joel]

A few fellas had asked about this post and wanted me to bring it back up from the grave. :smile:

[Joe Lerch]

I'll kick it off.

Tip O'neill once said that you're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. Sometimes we're not clear where we end one and start the other.

If I tell you that I like the Vision because it has close tracking, that's an observation and a resulting opinion. The observation is a fact.

Getting back to the subject of razors, I just got the new Merkur, what is it 38c or something like that. It fills a need. It's a large, hefty razor with a normal head. Those of us with large hands finally have something that feels comfortable and doesn't cost a fortune. It seems to handle very much like the Vision, but you don't have the large head that so many guys complain about.

The handling of the Futur has been somewhat problematic, because its geometry results in an unusually large flattest blade angle, which rresults in a bit of harshness, especially at settings above 3 (not so if you use Feather blades).

For me, that comfort factor of the new razor was a big improvement on a fixed exposure razor, because I always found them too small and too light. So far, I've only used it with the Merkur blades that came as a gift with it. The proof of the pudding will be when I use a Feather. Then I'll have a comparison on an even playing field.

[Nobeard]

I am new to the Badger & Blade. I currently use an cartridge razor and want to change. I like the idea of the DE, so I really appreciated this posting. The Merkur Classic HD looks like it is worth a try.

thanks

[copperhead]

Nicely done. Will there be a Gillette version?

[echophonic]

What I don't get, and hopefully someone here can straighten me out, is how much complaining there is about how slippery the Futur is, but the Vision has the *exact* same finish and nobody says anything about it.

What gives?

[joel]

What I don't get, and hopefully someone here can straighten me out, is how much complaining there is about how slippery the Futur is, but the Vision has the *exact* same finish and nobody says anything about it.

What gives?

I say this in an non-condescending manner - but have you ever seen/held a vision?

While it has the "same" finish, the balance is much different, and most important - the razor has "grip" by having the top knob (adjustment) as well as the bottom knob (silo door knob) creates an "I" shape versus the "l" shape of the futur. Major, major difference.

[echophonic]

I say this in an non-condescending manner - but have you ever seen/held a vision?

While it has the "same" finish, the balance is much different, and most important - the razor has "grip" by having the top knob (adjustment) as well as the bottom knob (silo door knob) creates an "I" shape versus the "l" shape of the futur. Major, major difference.

Interesting. No, I've not held a vision, just a Futur. That makes sense though.

[DoubleE]

I say this in an non-condescending manner - but have you ever seen/held a vision?

While it has the "same" finish, the balance is much different, and most important - the razor has "grip" by having the top knob (adjustment) as well as the bottom knob (silo door knob) creates an "I" shape versus the "l" shape of the futur. Major, major difference.

Different as day and night for me. I used my Futur for only a short time and sold it. It just didn't work for me for several reasons. I didn't like the balance, the way the blades load, or the way you have to adjust it.

The Vision on the other hand, is my favorite razor out of the 20+ razors I own. It just seems like an extension of my hand and the balance couldn't be better. It's heavy, but the balance seems to negate the weight. And, with a Feather blade, provides the closest shave I can achieve with any other razor/blade combination.

[Flaxorca]

Great review! Already ordered my HD before reading this (just of few more nail biting days), but it would only have confirmed my choice anyway. If I am going to try an adjustable, I think the Progress looks like a good choice after reading this review.

BTW here is the Merkur catalogue (PDF) (http://www.dovo.com/katalog/merkur.pdf), with their complete (?) collection. Not a lot of info, and since they have not named the razors a bit of a puzzle, but nice to see it all together.

[Furex]

This is one of the most informative threads I've read on B&B up to date.
:thumbup:

After reading it I'm happier I've chosen the Progress instead of the Futur; I also understood how one person starts with just one razor and end up with a full-blown RAD :biggrin:

/me wants more razors!!!

[castlecraver]

As this thread was mentioned in another thread just now, I thought it would be a good idea to bump it in case others also missed it.

[Johnny Dale]

Great Info! Being a newbie I am looking at taking the plunge on a DE. I was thinking Gillette but the more i read i may go with a Merkur.

I was surfing Amazon and found the Merkur HD Classic "Barber Pole" Long Safety Razor-#38C priced at $44.95. Not sure what they mean by "Barber Pole" but I'm guessing this has a longer handle.

Where should i shop for a Merkur HD Classic? I don't see a razors listing in the local Yellow Pages or is on-line purchasing my best bet?

Thanks!
JD

[slayer666]

I'm not sure why but Progress makes my want to buy it. Do I have RAD?:confused:

[dantes]

Hi,

I used to have a sensitive skin when shaving with mach3 quattro.

I have used a feather popluar loaded with feather Hi blades for about a month & i get great bbs shaves after 4 passes except in the chin / neck area. I am focusing on the chin for now. But in spite of multiple ATG passes I cannot get BBS. My beard is rather thick in this area.

I have been suggested a HD open comb with a milder blade.

What would be your suggestion considering I have a thick beard but a sensitive skin.

thanks

[Baines93]

Thanks for the write up, really handy for newbs like me!

Can't wait to start collecting, and using DE's.

Matt

[kwetiaw]

what is DE stands for? i'm a newbie here. any other shorts that i need to know? :P

[jholen]

what is DE stands for? i'm a newbie here. any other shorts that i need to know? :PDE refers to Double Edge - which is the style of razor that you see here in the post. Sometimes they are also referred to as Safety Razors.

If you're a newbie to B&B, I'd suggest checking out the faq as well as the newbie check-in section of the forum. Oh, and the wiki has a ton of great information. Welcome!

[dcnpaulk]

I'd like to see a guide like this for Gillettes.

Anyway joel just one thing:
Are you sure you didn't get the Futur and the Vision mixed up?
You said the handle is heavy and the head light. This is just not true. The head is heavier as the razor is perfectly balenced on the tapered area beneath the adjustment dial where you are supposed to hold it. I do not find it awkward nor has it ever slipped, and I have large hands.

I don't see how it is any more dangerous than any other razor. If anything it is an advantage over TTO mechanisms as you don't have to worry about weather it is closed tightly enough. I would hardly call it cheap either. Nothing on the Futur feels cheap to me.

I know everyone's experience is unique and we all have our personal opinions on each razor but I just feel you are being overly critical of a fantastic razor which many have no issues with at all. However, you are full of praise for the Vision, a razor with a history of problems and which many people have had to return to Merkur for replacements.

I strongly agree with everything Risky wrote and I would just like to make a further comment. First, as a newbie here, let me say that I am amazed at the size, vitality and excellent design of this site/forums! The originators and moderators and all involved in its formation and running are to be thanked and lauded. Super job! I find the forums quite informative as well as entertaining. But as in all publc forums, it is essential to remember that in most all cases we are dealing with personal opinions, which vary all over the place. Thus the YMMV caveats we often see. And that is fine. But newbies in particular must realize that to get the most out of these forums they must read a LOT, not just a few posts. Get the full overview of opinions, and then make your own.

However, the mods and founding fathers have a special responsibility. Their opinions carry a lot more weight because of their long experience and superior knowledge (at least I think so)! Like all of us, they too have their own personal opinions. But especially in the matter of reviews, which influence, especially newbies, to a considerable degree, they should try to be as objective as possible. That is why I think Risky's criticism is important and should be carefully considered.

Now I am such a newbie I don't even know exactly who Joel is in the hierarchy of B&B, but I do know from reading his many posts and reviews that he is as knowlegable and experienced about razors and shaving as anyone here. I highly value his opinions. That is why Risky's comments are relevant. Joel. please, especially when you post negative remarks about a product (and most especially when so many others have posted many positive remarks about that product) give reasons to back up your opinions! It would help us greatly to evaluate whether that opinion is relevant to our own experince or not. For example, you state "but it is strange to use, and not much entertainment or elegance to it. The blade loading and unloading mechanism is TERRIBLE, as it is cheap, and quite dangerous."

Well, the "entertainment and elegance" are obviously things in the eye of the beholder, clearly subjective and not anything I have heard you comment on any other razor. Or am I wrong? It sort of smacks of a hint of bias against this razor from the get-go. But my main concern is the damning statement about the blade loading being "TERRIBLE and dangerous". This surely merits an explanation, because it is beyond mere opinion or taste and hints of a serious defect in the razor's design.

Now admittedly with my inexperience I am at a loss to know exactly what to say about this, and that is why I would love some clarification from you. WHY is it dangerous? I have used both TTO's and the Futur. My own limited experience would not make me think the Futur as more dangerous, in fact quite simple! Am I missing something?

Please do not construe my remarks as anything personal. As I said, I amire your erudition and knowledge about things shaving. But what you have said about the Futur is just so contrary to my own experience, it makes me wonder WHY, what's going on? I learned DE shaving with this razor as an absolute newbie. No experience, just what I have read here. And after about a week's learning curve, I am getting wondeful shaves now. Today's best of all. Nothing bad or dangerous about this razor IMHO, just learn no pressure, gentle, let the weight of that head do all the work (and the head is much heavier than the handle btw). Result....BBS or near to it.

Anyhow....if you have time to reply,thank you! And if not, thank you anyway, and keep up the good work. Love B&B! Cheers!

Paul K.

[joel]

I strongly agree with everything Risky wrote and I would just like to make a further comment. First, as a newbie here, let me say that I am amazed at the size, vitality and excellent design of this site/forums! The originators and moderators and all involved in its formation and running are to be thanked and lauded. Super job! I find the forums quite informative as well as entertaining. But as in all publc forums, it is essential to remember that in most all cases we are dealing with personal opinions, which vary all over the place. Thus the YMMV caveats we often see. And that is fine. But newbies in particular must realize that to get the most out of these forums they must read a LOT, not just a few posts. Get the full overview of opinions, and then make your own.

However, the mods and founding fathers have a special responsibility. Their opinions carry a lot more weight because of their long experience and superior knowledge (at least I think so)! Like all of us, they too have their own personal opinions. But especially in the matter of reviews, which influence, especially newbies, to a considerable degree, they should try to be as objective as possible. That is why I think Risky's criticism is important and should be carefully considered.

Now I am such a newbie I don't even know exactly who Joel is in the hierarchy of B&B, but I do know from reading his many posts and reviews that he is as knowlegable and experienced about razors and shaving as anyone here. I highly value his opinions. That is why Risky's comments are relevant. Joel. please, especially when you post negative remarks about a product (and most especially when so many others have posted many positive remarks about that product) give reasons to back up your opinions! It would help us greatly to evaluate whether that opinion is relevant to our own experince or not. For example, you state "but it is strange to use, and not much entertainment or elegance to it. The blade loading and unloading mechanism is TERRIBLE, as it is cheap, and quite dangerous."

Well, the "entertainment and elegance" are obviously things in the eye of the beholder, clearly subjective and not anything I have heard you comment on any other razor. Or am I wrong? It sort of smacks of a hint of bias against this razor from the get-go. But my main concern is the damning statement about the blade loading being "TERRIBLE and dangerous". This surely merits an explanation, because it is beyond mere opinion or taste and hints of a serious defect in the razor's design.

Now admittedly with my inexperience I am at a loss to know exactly what to say about this, and that is why I would love some clarification from you. WHY is it dangerous? I have used both TTO's and the Futur. My own limited experience would not make me think the Futur as more dangerous, in fact quite simple! Am I missing something?

Please do not construe my remarks as anything personal. As I said, I amire your erudition and knowledge about things shaving. But what you have said about the Futur is just so contrary to my own experience, it makes me wonder WHY, what's going on? I learned DE shaving with this razor as an absolute newbie. No experience, just what I have read here. And after about a week's learning curve, I am getting wondeful shaves now. Today's best of all. Nothing bad or dangerous about this razor IMHO, just learn no pressure, gentle, let the weight of that head do all the work (and the head is much heavier than the handle btw). Result....BBS or near to it.

Anyhow....if you have time to reply,thank you! And if not, thank you anyway, and keep up the good work. Love B&B! Cheers!

Paul K.

Paul,
Firstly, thanks for your kind words.

This is a newbie guide and it is not designed to go into great lengths/details about every aspect of each razor, otherwise this would be an unbearably long, complex, and confusing "advanced" guide. If you're a beginner looking for your first DE, the vast majority of fellas want the essentials - not an overwhelming amount of info.... it then becomes too hard to compare the different razors.

While I appreciate your comments/feelings toward the futur, I do disagree with your assessment. Firstly, the futur is NOT head heavy. You may THINK it is, but this is only due to the exceptionally heavy handle of the razor. When you put it up against your face at an angle, the weight of the handle puts a lot of pressure on the head, thereby making the head SEEM heavy. Take the razor apart, grab a digital scale and weigh the head, then weigh the handle. You'll see the handle will be quite a bit heavier.

As far as loading the razor - i've been active on shaving forums for going on 7 years, and i've heard a lot of horror stories. 90% of the horror stories i've heard RE: people cutting the hell out of themselves whilst loading (or unloading) a razor have been from the Merkur Futur. To unload (or load) the futur, you have to remove the top of the razor by force, and it is held it place via a spring/wires. Even when dry, extreme caution should be used, as the futur is slippery at the head, and if you slip or make an error, you slice your fingers/hand. Often, people will find a blade unshaveworthy mid-shave, and will change the blade with slippery hands/razor and will slip - and cut the hell out of their hands. Sure - you CAN load a Futur safetly if shown how to do so, and if you take the right precautions, it would be very hard to cut yourself, however of ALL razors, it's by far the dumbest, and most unsafe design I have experienced.

Merkur classic designs are much safer as you can unscrew the head of the razor off (there is no spring/wire tension to require use of pressure/force) and can be easily re-loaded, regardless of whether your hands and the razor are covered in pre-shave oil. Try re-loading a futur (without using a towel) with your hands, and the razor drenched in lather, oil, etc. You might get away unscathed, however you'll find it considerably more difficult than you would with any other razor. While it might seem trivial to you - some fellas here are awake and shaving at 4AM, and aren't all "with the picture" when they're exceptionally tired/groggy.

TTO's like the vision, Fatboys, etc are even easier. Merely twist the bottom of the razor until the doors are fully open, turn the razor over a trash can to drop the blade from the head, and drop a new blase in (holding the unsharpened sides of the razor blade, tighten the head down, and you're set.

Accidents can happen with ANY razor, however it is my opinion (and history has shown) the Futur is most prone to accidents. Fellas have had them get loose in their luggage whilst traveling (it's the only razor where the top pops off, all others are screwed down) and plunged their hands into their suitcase to retreive their clothing/items - only to find a DE razorblade embedded into their hand. Others have just plumb lost the top hald of their razor traveling -and have had to purchase a mach III or disposables for the remainder of their travels.

Again, the Futur isn't bad (I still have one) but with so many other options that are as good, or better than the futur (many for less $) it certainly isn't what I recommend to beginners, or consider a particularly noteworthy razor.

Will it give you about as good a shave as you can get from a DE? Yes - no question, however I (merely my opinion) think a slant, slant hammer, and vision are superior shavers, and for most, the classic, or 38C will prove as effective as the Futur, albeit with a lower cost, increased grip, and a better loading mechanism.

As always, YMMV. Enjoy your Futur, it's a good 'lil razor!

[dcnpaulk]

Paul,
While I appreciate your comments/feelings toward the futur, I do disagree with your assessment. Firstly, the futur is NOT head heavy. You may THINK it is, but this is only due to the exceptionally heavy handle of the razor. When you put it up against your face at an angle, the weight of the handle puts a lot of pressure on the head, thereby making the head SEEM heavy. Take the razor apart, grab a digital scale and weigh the head, then weigh the handle. You'll see the handle will be quite a bit heavier.
<snip>

To unload (or load) the futur, you have to remove the top of the razor by force, and it is held it place via a spring/wires. Even when dry, extreme caution should be used, as the futur is slippery at the head, and if you slip or make an error, you slice your fingers/hand.
As always, YMMV. Enjoy your Futur, it's a good 'lil razor!

Joel,

Thank you for your prompt reply. I understnd now how you arrived at your comments (I think). As to the relative weight of head/handle, I don't think it's the absolute weight that matters, so much as the balance point (handle heavy or head heavy). As Risky pointed out, it balances about 3/4 of the way toward the head, making it "feel" head heavy.

Also, I now understand your remrks about the danger of loading. Your remark quoted above makes me think you are PULLING the head off! Thus "you have to remove the top of the razor by force". If done the way Merkur recommends, you push the side of the top (a small flange there) with your thumb and the top pops off! No force required, and your fingers don't go anywhere near the blade.

So no prob for me, and we'll just agree to disagree with this. But thanks for the clarification and your attention. Much appreciated!

Paul

[joel]

Joel,

Thank you for your prompt reply. I understnd now how you arrived at your comments (I think). As to the relative weight of head/handle, I don't think it's the absolute weight that matters, so much as the balance point (handle heavy or head heavy). As Risky pointed out, it balances about 3/4 of the way toward the head, making it "feel" head heavy.

Also, I now understand your remrks about the danger of loading. Your remark quoted above makes me think you are PULLING the head off! Thus "you have to remove the top of the razor by force". If done the way Merkur recommends, you push the side of the top (a small flange there) with your thumb and the top pops off! No force required, and your fingers don't go anywhere near the blade.

So no prob for me, and we'll just agree to disagree with this. But thanks for the clarification and your attention. Much appreciated!

Paul

We're opening it in the same way - but you're now talking semantics. A pop and a pull are similar - however you can't "pop" the top off with a slippery hand, as often when you "pop" the top off when slippery, at the top comes off, your finger slides into the blade.

I'm not sure how long you've been using your Futur, but it took me about 3-4 years to acquire my "accidental discharge" to the thumb. Might take awhile - but one day (hopefully not) you'll see/feel what I'm talking about. :wink:

[dcnpaulk]

I'm not sure how long you've been using your Futur, but it took me about 3-4 years to acquire my "accidental discharge" to the thumb. Might take awhile - but one day (hopefully not) you'll see/feel what I'm talking about. :wink:

I had a suspicion that something like this might be the root of your animosity toward the Futur!:eek: Sorry to hear about that, and hope damage was not too great! But I guess mama was right about always being careful with sharp objects!:redface: Thanks for the warning, and I think the lesson is (really just the same as when we are shaving, eh?) always be attentive to what we are doing and give proper respect to those sharp edges! Thanks Joel.

Paul

[Rousey]

Thamks Joel, great review. After weighing up the options I am going for the HD as my starting DE.

Cheers Rousey

[Aftaab]

I've been DE shaving for a couple of months now and bought the Futur merely based on its looks. It is a pretty decent piece of kit and although I don't have anything to compare it with yet (Gillette SS from the late 40's purchased off eBay in transit) I do believe it is very well built. I haven't had any issues loading it and find that if I place a face cloth on the edge of the basin I can pop the top off without issue when changing the blade. The top snaps on snuggly when you load a new blade. I haven't come across any issues with slippage either. I am using Proraso cream with a Shavemac 177 and can create some serious lather with it. In spite of being a somewhat messy shaver - lather everywhere - I haven't had the razor slip yet.

I do think that the adjustments are a bit overwhelming at first. I started at a 2.0 and have gone up to 3.5 and back down to 3.0. If you are new to DE shaving there are so many variables involved: what brush? what soap or cream? what razor? It may be wise to get a decent fixed head razor to begin with. I'm looking forward to using my Gillette Super Speed from the late 40's when it does arrive as I'm led to believe it is quite a 'mild' razor. At that point I will have something to compare with my Futur. No doubt I will try other razors, but for now I really like the Futur.

[SRock]

Excellent write up Joel! This is a great guide.

[Confilo]

I had been wet shaving since I started to get facial hair. I'm 60. I also think Joel is a very knowledgeable wet shaving mentor. I haveed learn a lot from him and these forums.
There is more to shaving than to remove beard.
He is also entitled to his opinion on the Futur and perhaps it might or not have to do with a nasty cut; however I respectfully disagree with his Futur assessment but I understand that he is trying to keep inexperienced hands from a razor that in his opinion presents some hazards.
If you are groggy at 4 am when shaving, God forbid, you should use one of the multi contraptions. What about those gentlemen like our grandparents who use straight razors?
I find the Futur very simple and wonderful razor and I admit that whenever I use it having read Joel's review remind me to be careful

[Hawkeyeted]

I bought the Merkur "Vision 2000" in 2007, following the use of a Progress for about three years. I have to say, the V2K is quite a magnificent razor.

The Vision pictured here is the "Original" Vision (notice the hex screw on the handle). It got terrible reviews when first produced due to its "questionable" construction and the amount of maintenance required. However, the V2K is of much better construction having removed the hex screw and reduced the number of parts. The result is a tool that is lot easier to maintain. If you're not willing to take the time every three months or so to disassemble for a cleaning, this isn't the tool for you.

While the Progress is considered the "Honda", the V2K is the Lamborghini of DE razors. It's not cheap (USD ~$125), gives the same quality of shave as the Progress IMHO, but the "feel" of the razor in your hand is second to none. It's hefty, very well balanced, and makes blades literally "sing" as the remove growth. :w00t:

While a Honda will get you on your date just the same, which would you rather arrive in?

[bd80wb]

DE, DE, which one for me?

This is the tune nearly all of us have hummed at one point… so many options, so little information, and such a price difference! Who wants to buy a well built implement that will last generations, only to find out they over/under bought, or just plumb purchased the wrong razor for their wants, needs, and desired effect? Well – I aim to clear up some confusion, and give you the knowledge to venture forward with the purchase of the RIGHT double edge razor for your wants and needs.

First off – What are your wants, desires, and end goals? Some of you may be fighting a horrid ingrown hair problem, where as others might be getting severe irritation from conventional products/methods, or the last group… wanting the closest possible shave. Before you read any further – stop and truly think about what your desired goal is. ANYONE can get a perfectly baby butt smooth face, the distinction is how long it will take them to do so, and how torn up their face will be. There must be a balance between closeness and comfort/irritation. Also, keep the size of the razor in mind… if you are a very large individual, a tiny razor is not going to be as effective, as it will be hard to hold and control and you will inadvertently apply too much pressure, and have miserable shaves. Conversely, if you are a smaller individual, a large razor will be a bit too unwieldy, be too large for you hands/face and be a bit laborious.

Adjustable or Fixed head?
There is no real NEED for an adjustable razor, however with an adjustable razor – you are armed with the ability to essentially make the razor “mimic” other razors. If you wish for an incredibly close, aggressive shave, you can dial the razor in accordingly; just as you can dial it down and have an incredibly comfortable, smooth (yet not baby’s butt smooth) shave. Many of us do not want to fumble with adjustments, and typically end up sticking to one “medium” not so aggressive setting on an adjustable anyways – so adjustable, at least for me is not a major selling point in my eyes. Fixed head razors, in my opinion tend to be a bit more rigid, and provide a more consistent shave, are far less prone to break or “loosen up” and are far less expensive. It boils down to the type of person you are… if you truly feel you would get so involved as to change settings on different passes, etc – then the adjustable razor might be your ticket! Remember – the best is NOT always the most expensive.

Razor by Razor “review/comparison”
So you know you want a DE, but are still not sure which one? Here are several examples of DE’s that are currently in production, and can be readily purchased at specialty stores on via the internet.

FIXED HEADED RAZORS….

Merkur Classic HD

I would recommend this razor for EVERYONE. Aggressive enough to get a superb shave, but delicate enough to make it difficult to really make hamburger out of your face. A wonderfully comfortable, balanced and easy to use tool. This razor is perfect for those who have normal to sensitive skin, and a light to moderate beard. It can and will work well for those with tougher beards, but there are better solutions out there for you tougher bearded fellas, so keep reading. This razor is also quite reasonably priced, and will provide you with generations of use. Only complaint? The razor is a bit small. The long handle might be a better option for some of us bigger guys….
Razor Stats
Handle Length: 2.65in
Beard: Light to Medium
Skin Type: Sensitive to Normal
Skill Level: Beginner to Advanced
Level of aggression (1-5): 2

Merkur Slant Bar

If the HD or Classic won’t cut it, this ugly beast is your ticket. This is in my opinion the most effective shaving device (save for a straight razor) and happens to be my favorite DE razor. Baby butt smooth shaves with zero irritation – but it does come at a cost. This razor has quite an aggressive stance, and if used improperly, or by an unskilled hand, will cause TREMENDOUS damage to your face. So long as you keep it slow, steady and apply ZERO pressure, you should be fine. If you do NOT have an incredibly thick, tough beard, this is not needed, and a Merkur classic/HD should do the trick just fine. If used correctly this is an incredibly effective tool, and CAN be incredibly easy on the skin. Great size and weight, but a bit small for those of us with large hands.
Razor Stats
Handle Length: 2.65in
Beard: Heavy to Werewolf
Skin Type: Normal to Leather Tough
Skill Level: Advanced
Level of aggression (1-5): 5


ADJUSTABLE RAZORS…

Merkur Progress

The Progress is just one of those all around fantastic tools, and I highly recommend it to beginners. Good size, weight, adjustments, built well, bulletproof. This is the “Honda” of razors, just gets the job done, does not make any lofty claims or excuses. It isn’t the closest shaving razor, it isn’t the best looking razor, and it isn’t the most comfortable or luxurious, but it is superb, and it is a fantastic deal. This razor can be dialed down to work wonders for those with a light to medium-tough beard, and sensitive to normal skin. The handle is a touch on the short side, but it is large enough to work acceptably for those with large hands.
Razor Stats
Handle Length: 3in
Beard: Light to Medium/heavy
Skin Type: Sensitive to Normal
Skill Level: Beginner to Advanced
Level of aggression (1-5): 2-4

Merkur Futur

The futur is an interesting tool. It has an incredibly heavy handle, with a light head. Very awkward and prone to slip when gripped with a wet hand. This razor sports an impressive range of adjustments and is highly effective – but it is strange to use, and not much entertainment or elegance to it. The blade loading and unloading mechanism is TERRIBLE, as it is cheap, and quite dangerous. Some are quite fond of the Merkur futur, but it is my opinion the Merkur Progress is a much better razor, and is less costly, so I do NOT recommend the futur.
Razor Stats
Handle Length: 3.5in
Beard: Light to Heavy
Skin Type: Sensitive to Tough as leather
Skill Level: Advanced
Level of aggression (1-5): 3-4

Merkur Vision

The “bad boy” of the Merkur adjustable line. This thing is a monster, and provides the widest array of adjustments, the greatest handle size, the best weight distribution and the coolest “look.” Although it is quite pricey, I feel it is a superb razor, and with its lifetime warranty, it is more of an “investment” compared to the aforementioned razors. This razor is superb for both the beginner (with the ability to REALLY dial it down) and for the advanced “baby face” junkie as this thing can be opened up to REALLY and I mean REALLY get serious. A vision opened to its widest setting is an incredibly fearsome force. This is a fantastic razor as it give you “growing room” so a beginner never has to worry about needing more firepower.
Razor Stats
Handle Length: 4in
Beard: Light to werewolf
Skin Type: Sensitive to Tough As Leather
Skill Level: Beginner to Advanced
Level of aggression (1-5): 1-5

OVERALL
No one razor is truly perfect for everyone…. Choose wisely, but my suggestion is to start with a Merkur Classic HD, and if you ever feel the need for a closer, more aggressive shave, upgrade to a Merkur Slant Bar.

Just remeber... take your time and buy the right razor.... just look at the size difference of the two "bad boys"

Big difference from razor to razor... if you have any questions feel free to tack them onto this thread!

:confused:Is the Merkur rake edge safety 25 a good razor? It was not mentioned in the DE buyers guide.

[AsylumGuido]

Do :confused:Also, I use the Rake edge safety 25 in conjunction with Trumper's Limes Shaving cream and the Edwin Jagger best medium badger brush. Do I have the best tools?

Many of us would say if you are not using a vintage Gillette razor you are not using the best tool.

:wink:

[jrcrow79]

im using #178 merkur classic shorthandle..now trying gillette sharpedge blades..so far sooo smooth!!..trying other blades after 1 more use ;-)..do I stick with my razor handle or look for something else?..im kinda confused as to why ppl go from 1 which they always used to something else?

[Fnord5]

..im kinda confused as to why ppl go from 1 which they always used to something else?

Because we can. :lol:

I started with a 48-49 Superspeed.

I have 4 of them now (one is a '47, another is a '52)

I don't use them much anymore, but I still like buying them(everything, not just 40's style superspeeds.)

[sammyjenkis]

Is this a Merkur 34C Heavy Duty Safety Razor a type of Merkur Classic HD, or are they different razors? I am looking at this at this:

http://westcoastshaving.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=29

34C is just an indicator of the height and color, correct?

[itb76]

I was going to get a Merkur HD, but the Futur is so darn good looking I got that instead. I'll try it tomorrow....

[tlanning]

Started with the futur and your right, awkward, but after 7 months, pretty good. ready for the slant now.:lol:

[Fester]

Can't believe it took me so long to find this site.

What a resource. I'm like a kid in a sweetshop right now!

Thanks to all involved.

Going to take the plunge, maybe a nice Merkur HD Classic will fit the bill.

Best Regards from Sunny Ireland. :001_smile

[King Colwin]

I learned to shave (or relearned) with a straight razor and got pretty good at it, so when I tried a DE shave was nick-free from the start. That indicates to me that guys should work down from an aggressive shave, rather than up to one. On the other hand I was highly motivated, having gotten an amazing straight-razor shave at the FSC Barber Shop here in NYC and decided to replicate that somehow. Because I'd experienced a really good shave I wasn't discouraged when my first (self-administered) str8 shave had been like something from the French Revolution. All it lacked was Madame Lafarge knitting at my feet -- lotta blood in the lather. But I kept at it, and after reading Chris Moss's essay and getting further help from him via e-mail, was able to get through it without serious danger of decapitation. So -- given that sequence of events, it makes sense that properly motivated people should start at the upper part of the learning curve.

[Fernando]

Thaks sir for this amazing thread, this will save me a lot of time and money making my next RAD decision.

[Tall Paul]

Very nice Joel. :thumbup1: I agree that it would be nice to see the open comb and the longer handle razors in your review......... even if to say that you don't feel that the open combs are not that significant of a difference.

I am a newer gentleman to this site, and am considering an open comb, on a long handle HD. I would expect that your view on the open comb, would cause others to respond about their views on them, and thus help those of us who are on the fence on that razor.

Thank you so much for your effort. It was a real pleasure to read. I especially liked the rating of how aggressive the razors are on a scale of 1-5.

Tall Paul

[Fine]

Quite interesting for this guide of DE
:001_tt1:

[Koss]

Quite interesting for this guide of DE
:001_tt1:

Hey there, welcome to B&B!

Back to the OP, great guide! Although... I guess they didn't much like the Futur.

I find all the problems they have with it nonexistant with my experience. YMMV I guess :biggrin:

Futur is still my favorite razor!

[Walker]

I own three Safety Razors, all by Merkur, including the Merkur Futur the other two are Merkur Classic Gold and the Merkur Hefty Classic Gold. The best out of all three in my opinion is the Merku Classic Gold (also the cheapest) I bought the Futur in a set which included the bowl, brush and stand. And paid a nice price for the whole set. I figured the old saying (You get what you pay for) goes for Safety Razors as well.....I was wrong. I tried every adjustment the Futur had and could never find the sweet spot. I stopped using it soon after buying it and have not used it since. Although it wasn't a complete loss since i still use the fabulous Badger hair Shaving brush, bowl and stand. The Merkur Hefty tends to make hamburg out of my face but I still use it occasionally. The 40.00 Merkur Classic is by far my best razor. So I guess my advice to new Safety Razor guys would be start out cheap.haha. It would have saved me time and money. Thank Joel for the great post.:thumbup:

[Futur]

I bought my Futur before joining this site, it was my first DE razor and what got me interested in DE shaving. The thing with the Futur is that people either seem to love them like crazy or hate them like crazy :-)

I love mine, I think it's very modern and beatiful. It's the only new DE razordesign I know of since the butterfly mechanism and the blade loading mechanism works absolutely great for me. It's so quick and easy to change blades that people could use one blade for their cheeks and one for the throat, if they wanted. It's also very easy to keep clean.
The balance is nothing less than perfect and the weight makes you do much more "deliberate" strokes, which means less chance of mishaps compared to a lighter and more flimsy razor, everything except the Vision is light and flimsy compared to this razor :-). With the Futur, you are aware that you have a serious "tool" in youl hand:-)
The best part is the shave, load a Merkur blade and dial it down, you get a wonderful comfortable shave with next to no risk of nicks or razorburn, it's much milder than my Edwin jagger DE89. Pop in a Feather and dial it up and you can skin an elk :-)

So my advice to newbees is to try the Futur and see if you are one of the people that love it. If not, just sell it and get a Progress.

[Trooper]

Because I could not decide after reading this thread, I contracted RAD!!!!:eek::eek::eek:

[Ski-Patroller]

I have a Futur, an HD and two Gillette Techs. I really like the Futur, but I have to use it in the 1.5 -3 range. It definitely gives me the best shaves of the group, but I did take a small divot yesterday that did not want to stop bleeding :sad:. If I am traveling, I always have my razor in a box, so there is no way I would have a loose blade in my luggage or kit. The box also keeps the blade from touching anything, so it stays sharp. I actually like the Futur's Blade changing. Much easier than the Tech.

The Tech is great when I am in hurry, and not too worried about how close I get. I could actually go over yesterdays divot and not make things worse this morning. Not very close, but I would really have to work to cut my self with it.

I haven't gotten as excited about the HD. Maybe because with 3 razors and lots of blade choices, it is for me hard to pick out the best combos. I have been using a Badger brush and mug for almost 50 years, but just recently returned to DE shaving.

This site has been great. I found it while trying to find a new source for shaving soap, and ended up with two new brushes, and four new razors, and a couple of new soaps:001_smile. (I keep gear at my Mountain Cabin as well as home, so there is some justification for the excess equipment beyond RAD)

[moshulu]

This review, with its effusive praise for the Merkur HD, is fine as far as it goes, but it ignores an important dimension of DE shaving: esthetics. For some people, this is unimportant, but it matters a great deal to others.

Take a good look at the HD. This thing is a dog. Crude, rough-hewn, ill-proportioned - a utilitarian, clunky clodhopper of a razor. Why would you want to hold such a lumpy thing in your hand, or display it alongside your fine brush and bowl? Who would not prefer a lovely British Aristocrat, or even a Diplomat, President, Bostonian, etc? They shave every bit as well as an HD, but they have style, grace, even a bit of whimsy.

Do looks matter? Yes. As I write this, I'm on a stressful business trip. Eight time zones away from home, wishing it were over. When I stumble out of my uncomfortable hotel bed, is it any wonder that I prefer to start the day with my rhodium-plated no. 66, rather than some Merkurian abomination?

[SRock]

This review, with its effusive praise for the Merkur HD, is fine as far as it goes, but it ignores an important dimension of DE shaving: esthetics. For some people, this is unimportant, but it matters a great deal to others.

Take a good look at the HD. This thing is a dog. Crude, rough-hewn, ill-proportioned - a utilitarian, clunky clodhopper of a razor. Why would you want to hold such a lumpy thing in your hand, or display it alongside your fine brush and bowl? Who would not prefer a lovely British Aristocrat, or even a Diplomat, President, Bostonian, etc? They shave every bit as well as an HD, but they have style, grace, even a bit of whimsy.

Do looks matter? Yes. As I write this, I'm on a stressful business trip. Eight time zones away from home, wishing it were over. When I stumble out of my uncomfortable hotel bed, is it any wonder that I prefer to start the day with my rhodium-plated no. 66, rather than some Merkurian abomination?

Fine observations. We all have varying taste(s), but I certainly agree with you that the finest Gillettes bury the finest Merkurs in terms of appearance.

[Dustinl]

Thanks to a suggestion by Dharion, and the moderator team for acting on it, this thread is now a sticky in this forum.

Thanks guys!


DL

[Sir Ronald]

This review, with its effusive praise for the Merkur HD, is fine as far as it goes, but it ignores an important dimension of DE shaving: esthetics. For some people, this is unimportant, but it matters a great deal to others.

Take a good look at the HD. This thing is a dog. Crude, rough-hewn, ill-proportioned - a utilitarian, clunky clodhopper of a razor. Why would you want to hold such a lumpy thing in your hand, or display it alongside your fine brush and bowl? Who would not prefer a lovely British Aristocrat, or even a Diplomat, President, Bostonian, etc? They shave every bit as well as an HD, but they have style, grace, even a bit of whimsy.

Do looks matter? Yes. As I write this, I'm on a stressful business trip. Eight time zones away from home, wishing it were over. When I stumble out of my uncomfortable hotel bed, is it any wonder that I prefer to start the day with my rhodium-plated no. 66, rather than some Merkurian abomination?

just goes to show, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I love the look of the Merkur HD. simple, classic, .... the ultimate workhorse. much like a 1952 Telecaster - it's simple design might not be fancy (or whimsical... thankfully) and once I pick up that perfectly weighted razor, I know another satisfying shave is on the way. in the words of Billy Joel, "I love you just the way you are....."

[Cristo]

I agree with what you say, but I have more confidence in users. Although they might do what you say, when they run into trouble, they'll know why, hopefully by reading posts like this. If not, whe they come asking for help, we can tell them why, but at least they will have experienced some success.

In the mean time, I've found that too many newbies fail because the HD is too aggressive, and they give up in frustration. Having the option to start at a 1 or 2 instead of 3.5 can often make the difference between failure and success in learnng the right technique. We're each an experiment of one. I can only tell you that you're one of the lucky ones.

What turned me around on this is all the reading and e-mail on method shaving. They put a newbie right on a Progress with Feather blades! And they have a pretty good success rate with difficult problems. So, my thinking is that just on a statistical basis, I can help a lot more people by suggesting a Progress with a tamer blade like a Merkur and a starting setting of 2 for a month. They still have the option of dialing down if necessary.
Joe, I think you are right. I started with a DE 52 years ago and found myself shaving way to fast which created a lot of nicks and cuts; which drove me to the new multi blades (Fushion) after years of use all I got were bumbs and ingrown hairs. So I am back, Merkur Progress Long Handle with Merkur blades. Started at 2 and now at 1 and will stay there for at least a month, sensitive skin. I am using The Art of Shaving Cream and badger brush and might explore with the cream; any suggestion?
Rick

[Smoothy]

Very relevant & informative thread, thank you Joel for starting it almost 5 years ago and everyone else, especially Joel, Joe & Randy, for contributing so much up to now. When I decided, not too long ago, to add a DE to my rotation of straights and SE, I read many threads but this was the one which really helped me out most. And because of it, I decided on a modified Progress 500 (the Mergress XL) and ordered, for good measure, 10 blades of Feather and Personna Red with it. That was 2 weeks ago and I am obviously still working on my technique but am also wondering whether I should maybe use different blades. And, actually today, I started doubting that I chose the right DE to begin with but after reading some here on B&B again, I let go of the doubts and decided that I will just keep on working with it for another month or 2.

So, thank y'all again for having shared your experiences and thoughts here, which have been of great help & motivation to me. :thumbup1:

[shawnmaze]

When finding a vintage razor like a SuperSpeed, what is best cleaning process to tackle it with? I have heard about ultrasonic cleaners but is that necessary? Just looking to cleaning the grooved handle and then polish it up.

[Aberneth]

I no longer recommend the HD to newbies. I recommend the Progress, because it makes it possible to turn the exposure way down, making it easier for them to get started. I think they need to maximize their chances of success, don't you?

*GROWL* Real men start with a Futur on 6 and a feather!

[DolimiteB]

Joe, I think you are right. I started with a DE 52 years ago and found myself shaving way to fast which created a lot of nicks and cuts; which drove me to the new multi blades (Fushion) after years of use all I got were bumbs and ingrown hairs. So I am back, Merkur Progress Long Handle with Merkur blades. Started at 2 and now at 1 and will stay there for at least a month, sensitive skin. I am using The Art of Shaving Cream and badger brush and might explore with the cream; any suggestion?
Rick

I started with the AoS stuff too. You can do better. AoS is better than the Edge gel concotions, but you can upgrade your shave experience with Musgo Real or Proraso (CO Bigelow at your local Bath and Body Works). I prefer the Musgo. It's about half the cost of an AoS tub and will last quite a long time. It smells a bit like "Italian barbershop" and I really enjoy it. Lather monster. Check out the reviews section for others. I've got about 20 on my "To Try" list. Olivia's Creams and the Fitjar in neroli also hold a special appeal to me. Godrej is popular in India and I just ordered some from Classic Shaving in Palm Springs. It's $5 and arguably among the best bang for buck creams out there. Classic Shaving also has Old Spice in the original Shulton Formula for $5.

[noahpictures]

Thanks Joel for the thread and for biting your tongue. Very informative and helpful. Love my Slant. I think your original thought was correct about recommending an HD for beginners. Adjustable razors can be frustrating for newcomers (it was for me with the Progress).

[armykunin]

Great post but I was wondering why you only gave reviews of Merkur razors in here? There are other razors available that work just as well.

[cswann1]

*GROWL* Real men start with a Futur on 6 and a feather!

*whimper* Well slap me twice and call me "Susan", cuz I guess I'm not a "real man" :blushing:

[kmfrank]

Great post, joel - thanks to this, I bought a Merkur HD, and then followed it up with a mint condition used Vision I found on the B/S/T. Your descriptions of them are spot on. Everyone looking to get into the hobby should read this.

[alroid]

I quite want a long barber pole slant, but is it safe? or is the short handle a bit safer, due to the increased feel, and closeness of the hand to blade?

[Master Yoda]

I have been shaving with a Gillette Knack my grandfather gave me for about a month, and have become intrested in shaving with a DE razors.
I want to buy a new DE and I am deciding between Merkur 38C, Progress and 39C Slant Bar.
The 38C looks very nice, but i already have a closed comb razor.
Progress it the one im currently leaning at, but that plastic knob seems too vulnerable and breakable. If I was from the US I would buy the Mergress, but as I understand it it can only be bought from leesrazors which is in the US and I would have to pay duty and other importing fees unlike ordering from the site based in the EU.
The 39C Slant Bar looks nice, but from reading the reviews I gather that as a begginner it will be too agressive and I would cut my head off, though my skin is sensitive and irritated and I read that this razor is a good choice for that.

So now I cannot decide which razor to get if any (should I stick with Gilette knack for a while and then buy one of those three and which one)?

[imabel2]

I am in my 70's and have been DE, SE, and straight shaving for over 55 years. To much thought about razor/blade/technique willl drive you nuts. My current favorite razor is the Mergress, a converted Progress by Eric. This razor is now unreal and probably the best razor/blade combination I have ever shaved with. I have a good collection of razors but the mergress is my day to day shaver. I also like my EJ89 and my Knack, which will give a very nice DFS shave when my concentration is not fully on the morning shave. I shave every day (Retired Marine and Generational thing). The thing with adjustables is people tend to mirgrate to higher numbers prior to having developed a good technique.
Recommendations are just that and YMMV but buy and use what you like and learn to like what you use.
Mike

[mharris127]

. . . If I was from the US I would buy the Mergress, but as I understand it it can only be bought from leesrazors which is in the US and I would have to pay duty and other importing fees unlike ordering from the site based in the EU. . .


Actually, you may not have to worry about duty on a small order from here. I can't say for sure about the EU, but here in the US we have a $200 exemption -- if the order has a value of less than $200 US, there isn't any duty or tariff due. Canada has a similar exemption. I receive at least two packages from Hong Kong every month and haven't paid duty in years. I would call your local Customs office and inquire about such an exemption.

[Master Yoda]

I wish that was so, here in Slovenia the exemption here is 22 EUR including the postage, if its over 22 EUR you have to pay Slovenia tax (i dont know what the duty exception maximum is). I ordered the Amazon Kindle payed for it about 103 EUROs - and had to pay 32 EURos for tax and other shit that they made up - thats one third of the price i payed for the thing.

Not to get offtopic: I ordered the Merkur Progress from shaving.ie.

[Master Yoda]

I received my Progress today and have a little problem: i almost cant turn the knob its extremely hard - do I have to oil it or something ?

[RonSpolar]

I have the Merkus Vision and agree with you. I have large arthritic hands and I can hold on to this and work with it. Very light pressure.

I wish they had numbers instead of letters on the adjustable collar. I find it confusing but then again at my age, lots of things are confusing.

Appreciate the thoughtfulness that went into your descriptions of these products. thanks.

[Luc]

I have the Merkus Vision and agree with you. I have large arthritic hands and I can hold on to this and work with it. Very light pressure.

I wish they had numbers instead of letters on the adjustable collar. I find it confusing but then again at my age, lots of things are confusing.

Appreciate the thoughtfulness that went into your descriptions of these products. thanks.

Welcome to B&B!

[MattB]

Just to add to and confirm the findings:

I started with the Merkur Classic, which to me was a perfect way to start and develop technique. I recently purchased a Futur from a member of this forum, and wow that was a jump. Not only in size and weight but you could practically hear the Futur snarling with aggressiveness.

I've learned that i really like the smaller razors like the Classic - it's easier to finesse around difficult parts of the face and be able to see more of what you are doing. While i did get a great shave out of the Futur (setting for first few shaves= 1), I felt like i was not able to see well enough because of the size. It was definitely an awkward transition.

I felt like it was the difference of being on a speedboat or an ocean liner. The speedboat turns faster and is more nimble. However the ocean liner, what it lacks in speed, makes up for in luxury and features.

I'll use the Futur a few more times just to see if it gets more comfortable, but i really like the finesse that the smaller razors allow.

[SaidWhat]

Very helpful

[salazch12]

Very nice review. It helps a lot . thanks.

[bladeruner]

Welcome to B&B:thumbup1:

[Ohenry]

A really great post, this is so much more helpful then the sellers of razors. Thank you for the work to put it out.

[Jeremysilverado]

Love the large Pictures!

[Jeremysilverado]

Joel, thanks for the great write-up. Very informative.
Merkur 1904 Bar

[MMorgan834]

I bought one of those Murk classics and I really like it. It was my first DE so I don't have alot to compare with but I get a nice shave and haven't done any damage yet. Shave On, Mike

[bohemondus]

Good job. Please post about gillette razors

[ChristopherH10]

I really enjoyed this post Joel. It was interesting to read someone's elucidation about the nuances between all the different razors.

I was very lucky when I bought my first razor a few months ago. Having thought I had done enough research to figure out that Merkur was the best maker of DE safety razors in the market today, I selected my razor based on price. The HD 34C turned out to be a perfect choice. But it was one made by someone entirely ignorant at the time.

Now I'm just slightly a little less ignorant. But I started looking at all the vintage Gillette models available. Again, I really lucked out with a ball end Old Type that I picked up for a reasonable price. I feel like using an open comb forced me to really pay attention to technique. My limited experience (not even a year into traditional wet shaving) is that when my technique is spot on, I get terrific shaves. If I don't concentrate and just whip through it, the experience is somewhat different.

So I won't bug you Joel about Gillettes, since you have already stated you don't care for them, but I'd love it if one of the moderators or contributors could work up a similar post about all the different vintage Gillette models. I'd especially be interested to know folks' feelings about TTO vs pre-TTO.

Also, Joel, I'd appreciate learning a bit more about the slanted head Merkur. It seems so counter-intuitive to see a head like that on a razor. The mechanics of how that works are intriguing to me.

Once again, thanks for a highly informative post--and I really look forward to a similar one from someone with experience on the Gillette vintage models.

[Harshaw]

Hello,

This is my first post, so I hope you'll excuse me if this question has been answered before. I'm 24 and capable of growing a full beard. However, my facial hair is not very coarse, and an electric razor passes over large patches without shaving closely. My one experience with a straight razor barbershop shave resulted in a badly cut-up face, presumably for the same reason (or a myopic barber).

I received a Merkur safety razor as a gift, and have been enjoying it more than any Gillette cartridge razor. However, it's a model with a "comb" under the blade, which I've read is specifically intended for coarse, difficult beards. I'm not completely free of the razor burn and irritation I'd get about 36 hours after a Gillette shave.

I'd like to buy the right razor. Any advice is very welcome.

Thanks!

[Luc]

Hello,

This is my first post, so I hope you'll excuse me if this question has been answered before. I'm 24 and capable of growing a full beard. However, my facial hair is not very coarse, and an electric razor passes over large patches without shaving closely. My one experience with a straight razor barbershop shave resulted in a badly cut-up face, presumably for the same reason (or a myopic barber).

I received a Merkur safety razor as a gift, and have been enjoying it more than any Gillette cartridge razor. However, it's a model with a "comb" under the blade, which I've read is specifically intended for coarse, difficult beards. I'm not completely free of the razor burn and irritation I'd get about 36 hours after a Gillette shave.

I'd like to buy the right razor. Any advice is very welcome.

Thanks!

Welcome to B&B!

I would first advise to keep the same razor. You probably have the 11c? Did you try a razor blade sample pack? The pressure is one of the key elements in razor burn/irritation, it should be none.

Also, what do you use as a lather? Canned, soap, brush, etc.

I would advise to start with this page: http://wiki.badgerandblade.com/index.php/Getting_started_wetshaving

Also, please post a thread in the Check-in Shave Clinic section of the forum. You will get help for sure! :thumbup1:

[Yutaka]

I am looking for a good baby face smooth shave with very little irritation. I have only used cartridge razors or an electric shaver to this point. After all my reading a nonadjustable sounds like the way I want to go. But am not firmly set on it. Is the HD still what you would recommend? Please give me all the advice you've got. I'm open and am looking for my first DE. Please help me!!

[Geo Dude]

Thanks for the guide. I've been thinking about investing in a DE for months. I love my straights, but I've been wanting something that requires less prep and a DE seems perfect. As a result of the reviews (and some digging on Amazon) I jumped in and ordered a Merkur 180 and a blade sampler from shaveplace. (http://www.shaveplace.com/Double-Edge-Safety-Razor-Blades-Sample-Pack-p/bld-sample.htm)

[jsj_297]

I am looking for a good baby face smooth shave with very little irritation. I have only used cartridge razors or an electric shaver to this point. After all my reading a nonadjustable sounds like the way I want to go. But am not firmly set on it. Is the HD still what you would recommend? Please give me all the advice you've got. I'm open and am looking for my first DE. Please help me!!

IMO, there is no other razor I will recommend to newcomers than the Edwin Jagger 89 series razor. Ive tried almost all the different merkurs out there.

Do yourself a favor and purchase either an EJ-89 or 89L. (89L is the same exact razor, only w/ a lined handle for grip). I own the EJ-89L, and it is an outstanding performing razor, and one of the best looking razors out there too. It's a cant miss razor, you will not regret that purchase at all. :thumbup1::thumbup1:

[d10winkel]

New to B&B and glad to be in such informed company. I've been a wetshaver for about five years and like a lot of guys, bought the Futur 'cause it looked so darn cool. Heck, I went he whole matching bowl-stand-brush route. But as my RAD developed to early addiction levels I added a long handle Merkur 180, a fatboy HD with a gold/quartz handle (beauty!), and the most recent (and the one that started to raise the wife's eybrows) an EJ89. The point of the rambling is that my Futur is still the go-to choice for me when I want flat out baby-butt cheeks and comfort. I'll admit, the snap-on blade cap puzzles and concerns me but it has never loosened up nor failed me yet. I don't know why, but I'm going to chalk it up to German mad scientist mojo.:sneaky2:
Risking early spousal termination, I've been eye balling the Vision for a long time. Your write up didn't help dissuade me either.:biggrin1: Is the Vision really worth the investment dollars over the Futur? I'd aqppreciate your opinion, and thank you for a great informative write-up!

[Luc]

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