Another Bike Question

[Holton181]

So, I'm looking for a city bike. My wife, a former triathlete, recomended this bike shop to buy the bike, so we went. After hearing my needs (realitivley inexpensive, great for going ten blocks to the grocery store, or on a bike path every now and then, the guy at the shop suggested this (http://www.jamisbikes.com/usa/bikes/08_bikes/08commuter1.html). I think it's a cool bike, don't get me wrong, but the salesman in me knows to do some research before listening to one "expert's" opinion.

What do you say bike lovers, $300 a decent amount to spend on a knock around bike? Is Jamis a good brand?

[redbike]

So, I'm looking for a city bike. My wife, a former triathlete, recomended this bike shop to buy the bike, so we went. After hearing my needs (realitivley inexpensive, great for going ten blocks to the grocery store, or on a bike path every now and then, the guy at the shop suggested this (http://www.jamisbikes.com/usa/bikes/08_bikes/08commuter1.html). I think it's a cool bike, don't get me wrong, but the salesman in me knows to do some research before listening to one "expert's" opinion.

What do you say bike lovers, $300 a decent amount to spend on a knock around bike? Is Jamis a good brand?

For what you want, it'll be fine. The store gets points for not trying to sell you one that cost 3x as much. Good luck.

jim

[MotoMike]

I don't see if it has braze ons for rack and panier. if you are using it for shopping, it would be good to be able to load it a bit. Other than that I say it would be a good starter bike for commuting. the upright position takes weight off your hands and wrists and makes a straight bar acceptable. usually an upright seating position causes your spine to take road shock. but with your plump seat and shock adsorber seat post you will probably be ok. a bit soft seat is ok for short rides, but if you get to where you are putting real miles on, it will be counter productive and uncomfortable. if you are going to be climbing hills you might find the gearing lacking. also if you are commuting, you might make sure that there is room for fenders which will allow you to install them if you so desire.

good luck

[greenerock]

I have an Electra Townie 21 speed and really like it. You sit more upright but it's very comfortable. You wouldn't use it for long distances but I got it for around town or the bike trail

http://www.electrabike.com/townie/

[kongjie]

$250-$300 is the range for many entry-level "comfort" bikes. These are the ones where you're sitting up nice and straight.

I think if you go with a decent manufacturer, most of these are going to be comparable. One thing you could look at is if any other models/brands offer any accessories you might need:

lights?
bell?
fenders?
rear rack?

And of course you'll need some kind of lock.

With a few exceptions, it is hard to get stock commuting fenders on any bikes, and in this price range it should be almost impossible. For carrying your groceries you can either go with a rear rack and panniers as suggested above, or you can just wear a backpack, which is what I usually do.

Depending on where you live, craigslist might be the best bet. There are going to be people who bought a bike like this and want to upgrade, and there are going to be people who thought they were going to change their lifestyle and pedal everywhere, and aren't. Between those 2 groups there is a good chance you can get something nice used.

[_JP_]

Giant and TREK both make city bikes that I like. Both brands have proved to be very well built and reliable over the years. Expect to pay $400 to $500 for a nice one in either brand.

[Suzuki]

If you buy a bike with a MSRP of less than $300, you're almost certainly getting a piece of junk.

I hate to say this, but you get what you pay for and for less than $300 for a new bike, you're buying something that's almost certainly made from inferior materials (as opposed to simply entry-level).

Jamis makes good bikes - its a lesser known brand without the marketing machinery of Trek or Specialized and they typically represent good value for the money.

This is exactly the sort of entry-level commuter that should suit your purposes - if you want something better down the road, you can still keep this one for trips to the grocery store, as its less likely to get swiped than a fancier bike.

I also agree that you should check into whether you can attach racks - critical if you want to carry lots of groceries.

[Samovar]

I would suggest a
Trek Soho one speed at 549$
http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/2008/urban/soho/sohos/

It's a all around nice city bike, perfect for shopping.

Even better, why not an Africabike by Kona?
http://www.konaworld.com/08_africabike_c.htm
http://www.konaworld.com/bikes/2k8/images/625/2K8_AFRICABIKE-20.jpg

[Mysterion]

I don't see if it has braze ons for rack and panier... if you are going to be climbing hills you might find the gearing lacking. also if you are commuting, you might make sure that there is room for fenders which will allow you to install them if you so desire.



I also agree that you should check into whether you can attach racks - critical if you want to carry lots of groceries.

The frame has double rear eyelets for rack and fenders, and plenty of clearance. The fork has eyelets for fenders, too. (You've gotta look really hard at the photograph to see them.)

With a 42-tooth chainring and what looks like a 32-tooth cassette, gearing should be low enough for a DC grocery-getter. It's not that hilly.

Finally, please leave room in your budget for a helmet. Then adjust it properly and wear it every time you ride. No excuses.

[Suzuki]

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Finally, please leave room in your budget for a helmet. Then adjust it properly and wear it every time you ride. No excuses.

Good point - I've been hit twice by cars - once hard enough to total my bike!

[robertw]

I have a bike with the in-post suspension. I think it's gimicky. The wide fat seats are nice for shorter rides but anything long tends to sit (no pun intended) badly with me. Of course, YMMV but, I'd look for something better in the post and seat.

[Spikestrip]

It's difficult to buy much of a bike for $300.

I owned a Jamis once and it was OK. This model looks to be comparable to other $300 bikes.

If you begin to ride more than once in a while, you'll find yourself wanting a better bike.

All good advise above. Absolutely spend for a good quality helmet.

Spike

[tm3]

So, I'm looking for a city bike. My wife, a former triathlete, recomended this bike shop to buy the bike, so we went. After hearing my needs (realitivley inexpensive, great for going ten blocks to the grocery store, or on a bike path every now and then, the guy at the shop suggested this (http://www.jamisbikes.com/usa/bikes/08_bikes/08commuter1.html). I think it's a cool bike, don't get me wrong, but the salesman in me knows to do some research before listening to one "expert's" opinion.

What do you say bike lovers, $300 a decent amount to spend on a knock around bike? Is Jamis a good brand?

bike quality goes up in big incremental jumps with each $100 spent, up to maybe $1000 or so and then the differences are not as large. meaning that a $600 bike is going to be very different from a $300 bike, but there is not going to be that much difference going from $2000 to $2300.

so i would say try to increase your budget. you are going to love riding it and will spend a lot of time on it, so get a nice one.

imo you are on the right track with the type of bike. too much marketing is aimed at getting recreational riders on bikes designed for lance armstrong, often creating an uncomfortable and not very enjoyable result.

if possible, take a look at the Rans "crank forward" bikes. pretty innovative design.

[Holton181]

I'm so confused about prices, and what makes a good bike... For example, there's a $200 difference between the 1.0 and the 2.0 commuter models for Jamis, and I really can't see a difference between the two. What should I look for in a commuter?

[Samovar]

If money was no object, that is what I would get!
http://www.antbikemike.com/
ANT bike Alternative Needs Transportation are so nice.

http://www.antbikemike.com/images/Bikes/Boston%20Roadster/BRoptions4big.jpg

[tm3]

I'm so confused about prices, and what makes a good bike... For example, there's a $200 difference between the 1.0 and the 2.0 commuter models for Jamis, and I really can't see a difference between the two. What should I look for in a commuter?

in general, more money in a bike buys better components (drivetrain, wheels, etc.) and overall lighter weight. this can make for a more enjoyable ride, better durabilty, and less maintainance. example: some of the townie bikes weigh around 40 pounds, while an upper end Rans approaches 20 pounds.

it might be a good idea to have the bike store take you through the differences as they can show you.

you want to make sure that you have a good fit on the bike, which a good store can provide. you want to make sure that you have low enough gearing for where you are going to be riding as you can hurt yourself (and hate the experience) if you are trying to push gears that are too high up a hill.

[Mysterion]

If money was no object, that is what I would get!
http://www.antbikemike.com/
ANT bike Alternative Needs Transportation are so nice.


Ant Bike Mike builds some delicious stuff, and I like the Boston bike mafia connection--I've got an early Indy Fab Crown Jewel. I do question the wisdom of a $3K "lock up" bike; the only place I'd lock that thing is between my legs.

I considered an ANT touring custom a few months back, but couldn't resist a NOS Heron Wayfarer frame, which I built up over the winter. Bringing the total to 6. Or is it 7?

[Mr. Gillette]

I would suggest a
Trek Soho one speed at 549$
http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/2008/urban/soho/sohos/

It's a all around nice city bike, perfect for shopping.

Even better, why not an Africabike by Kona?
http://www.konaworld.com/08_africabike_c.htm
http://www.konaworld.com/bikes/2k8/images/625/2K8_AFRICABIKE-20.jpg

My father would have something to say about this:

"You look like a DAMN FOOL on that thing...that's a GIRL'S Bike!"

[Samovar]

The difference in price is often based on the component quality. Shimano produces very cheap part for Walmart type bike and some mind blowing groups like XTR or Dura Ace. Often you will get the same frame, but a different group. The quality of tires or saddle might add to the price. My saddle alone is worth 150$ and my pedals about 100$.

What is a good commuter, well it depends how far you are going. My main commuter is a cyclo-cross bicycle with pannier in the back. I spend the rest of the time on my brakeless track bike with a messenger bag. The cyclo-cross is a super plush ride and a perfect long distance bike.

A very simple bike that is fun to ride, will be better than an expensive bike that you are afraid to lock outside a movie theatre.

How fast do you want to get there? Remember that skinny tires are super fast, but you will feel every crack in the pavement.

You want a commuter to let you hook up a basket, have fenders and be unbreakable.
My best commuter ever was a sturdy Dutch Gazelle bike
http://www.gazelle.nl/nl/imagebank/fietsen/2008_favo_toer_pop_rvs_h_001_popup.jpg

I'm so confused about prices, and what makes a good bike... For example, there's a $200 difference between the 1.0 and the 2.0 commuter models for Jamis, and I really can't see a difference between the two. What should I look for in a commuter?

[DrRansom]

For what you want, it'll be fine. The store gets points for not trying to sell you one that cost 3x as much. Good luck.

jim

+1

For a knock around bike and short recreational rides that bike will be perfect and with appropriate maintenance the components should remain serviceable for some time. The big difference between the Commuter 1 and Commuter 2 is the component group, there is little if any difference in the frame (other than color). If you have the money, go for the Commuter 2, it has a little nicer components. Also do yourself a favor and have the bike shop replace the p.o.s. adjustable stem with a good fixed stem. Good luck and remember to keep the rubber side down!:biggrin:

[TrekRider]

I know my name is TrekRider but don't worry I am not going to try to push a trek on you. My advice is that you test ride a few different types of bikes. You may want a "commuter" bike right now, but take it out for a spin. Most bike shops like Big Wheel Bikes, Performance, and Spokes will let you take it out for a ride. Don't just ride it around the block. You should take it out for at least 20-30 minutes. I know that it is time comsuming, but it will help you get a feel for what fits you. Try the Commuter 1& 2 you are looking at, try a Marin hybrid, a mountain bike, a road bike to see what the differences truly are.

The bigger seat will become very uncomfortable if you start riding longer distances on the Capital Cresent Trail, GW Parkway, or the WO & D Trail.
If you ride the commuter 1 and like it you should get it, but be aware that you needs might change. It is easier to take a nice hybrid on a short trip than a commuter on a long trip.

In regards to price....once you are in a certain price point the differences between brands for that type of bike is not that great. A $500 Trek is similar to a $500 Specialized.

Trekrider

[micah1_8]

I like my Fuji Thunder. I gave about 300 bucks for it. It came loaded with a rack, fenders, generator lights, and a bell. It's a nice smooth ride. I outfitted it with a couple of litterboxes of doom and it makes a great commuter. Unfortunately, this bike isn't supposed to be available in the US, and I got it because of a fluke mistake in shipping. But there might be others available if you ask your local fuji dealer.

[Mysterion]

Ultimately, how much you spend is about what you want the bike to do, and what kind of person you are. If you tend to get into new things, then upgrade and acquire a load of supporting gear as your enthusiasm grows, then you should step up a notch or two, for lighter, more durable components.

If you're just going for groceries a few times a week, or casual spins in fair weather, a $300 bike is plenty. If you might give it harder use, you should consider more bike, maybe in the $450-500 range. The quality of the materials and bearing assemblies will yield greater durability. Lower weight is a bonus in a town bike.

If you're going to commute to work daily, plan on fenders to keep your pants cuffs tidy. If you're going to carry groceries, you'll need a rear rack and panniers. If you're never going to use the bike that way, save your money. Remember that accessories can add up. Some conservative examples:

Rear rack--$40
Fenders--$35
Lock--$50
Helmet--$40
Panniers--$50-175

Suddenly, your bottom line almost doubles; most shops offer free or reduced-cost installation when you accessorize a new bike, and maybe a discount on the parts, so it makes sense to buy everything at once.

All of this said, I'd encourage you to use your bike ever day, for everything, and to dress it up accordingly. Two wheels have been my main mode of daily transport in DC for many, many years. This is a very bike-able city.

(Full disclosure: I sold hundreds--if not thousands--of bikes in an earlier life. Accessories are a shop's bread-and-butter; there's virtually zero profit in a $300 bike. A good, honest salesperson will sell you the accessories you need for your intended usage--stuff that will make the bike more enjoyable and useful, which will make you a long-term customer. )

[Holton181]

Thanks guys. I think I might wait a bit until I can afford the 2.0, and all the accesories I need. It sucks, because I wasn't intending on spending $650 on a bike + accesories, but I think I'll like it better in the long run.

[Mr. Gillette]

Thanks guys. I think I might wait a bit until I can afford the 2.0, and all the accesories I need. It sucks, because I wasn't intending on spending $650 on a bike + accesories, but I think I'll like it better in the long run.

Well...as long as you're on THIS site, there's no way you'll save up the money for that! :lol::lol::lol:

[Holton181]

Well...as long as you're on THIS site, there's no way you'll save up the money for that! :lol::lol::lol:

So true. I just finished talking to my wife about buying a colored 38C and a 39c last night, while I was shaving my head with my slant razor and $30 shave soap that's been sitting in my collection for months because I wanted to use up all of my other $30 shave creams first, and I have the nerve to complain about a few hundred dollars:lol::lol::lol:

[Mr. Gillette]

So true. I just finished talking to my wife about buying a colored 38C and a 39c last night, while I was shaving my head with my slant razor and $30 shave soap that's been sitting in my collection for months because I wanted to use up all of my other $30 shave creams first, and I have the nerve to complain about a few hundred dollars:lol::lol::lol:

HA! I'm scrimping and saving by carrying my lunch to work, selling one car and buying another used one, AG-O-NI-ZING over where to buy gas to save maybe 1.30 a tank...I took back some computer gear I'd bought and some Cables to the Sony Store...

And this big box comes in....:lol::lol::lol:

[kongjie]

Thanks guys. I think I might wait a bit until I can afford the 2.0, and all the accesories I need. It sucks, because I wasn't intending on spending $650 on a bike + accesories, but I think I'll like it better in the long run.

That's why I suggested the used route. I'll admit up front that I prefer new shiny things and the only used items I regularly purchase are books. But bikes are like cars in the sense that you can save some bucks if you're willing to buy a bike/car that's a year old instead of a new one.

And sorry I forgot to emphasize a helmet in my list of accessories above. It's automatic for me, like putting on a safety belt in a car, so I don't even think about it. I've been hit by a truck (his fault) and wiped out in the rain (my fault) and both times my noggin has been protected from an impact with the hard stuff. The last time I hit so hard and suddenly that 2 hours later I still didn't know what year it was, and was concussed, but imagine if it were my bare skull?

Granted I could have gone without a helmet thousands of other times, but you can't predict when something will happen.

[liege]

Is this the type of commute you are talking about?

[Holton181]

:lol: Just trying not to be this guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWW-pi5u3mU