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Kyle
07-23-2006, 03:47 PM
PREFACE
Within my profession it is a common practice to frequent conventions for the purpose of hearing how others solve like problems. When going to one of these conventions, it is not with the intention of making a wholesale change to my own practices but to find an idea or a tweak that I can implement into my own existing procedure/plan that will contribute to a better solution. Additionally, hearing of others’ failures can help me to prevent making like mistakes. In the grand scheme of things, this is the same premise on which our message board operates.

Keeping these things in mind, the following information pertains to how I solve my shaving issues. These are certainly not the only solutions or ideas that will work, and it is just as likely that they are not the best available solutions either. They are, however, the concepts and practices that have worked best for me up to this point, and in sharing them, I hope that I can provide some of you with ideas that differ from your current practices and prove intriguing enough to warrant your own experimentation.

MY BEARD
At one time, I believed myself to be uniquely plagued with an extremely coarse beard and terribly sensitive skin. After being a member of this board (and others) for quite some time, I’ve come to realize that a majority of men believe this about themselves and the reality of the situation is such that many of us have very coarse beards and contrastingly sensitive skin. We are, in fact, only unique in this when compared to pre-pubescent boys or women. The mere facts that this message board has the number of members that it does and that this number is growing at a very rapid rate is proof that many gents have whiskers that are difficult to remove without suffering irritation of the underlying skin.

The truth of the situation is that I have a coarse, thick, darkly colored beard and my skin gets irritated when I drag a razor across it too many times without adequate lubrication or attention to pressure.

PREP
It would appear that the most popular school of thought leans toward showering before one shaves. This is not, however, a practice that I subscribe to. After completing my third or fourth DE shave, I thought to try showering after my shave. This was not a stroke of genius that I came to after much deliberation, it was simply a reactive measure taken to encourage the cessation of blood flow before departing for work in the mornings. For this cause, it works beautifully.

As I became a more experienced shaver and blood became a less frequent side effect of the morning ritual, I experimented with showering before the shave. In my very non-scientific findings, I discovered that showering first did not contribute to as good of a shave as waiting and opting for the post-shave shower. It could have something to do with the presence or removal of natural skin oils or it could be a horrible trick played on me by my twisted mind. Whatever the fault, I don’t shower before I shave.

My prep consists of holding a hot moist towel over the area to be shaved for 2-3 minutes. I use hot water from the tap and will “refresh” the towel in the sink bowl every 30-45 seconds until I have reached the aforementioned 2-3 minute mark. The only additional prep work that I will ever perform is the addition of some Proraso Pre/Post shave cream.

LATHERING
When I first began this fabulous journey that is wet shaving, I was a build-the-lather-on-the-face zealot. I viewed using a bowl as cheating and as a copout for weak and incapable people. While loading my brush with soap one morning and on a complete whim, I grabbed my empty coffee mug (the big bowl-like cup of joe style mug), rinsed it out and began making swirls. Before I knew it, I was giggling like a schoolgirl and slinging globs of lather around the bathroom like it was going out of style. Since this day, I have never looked back.

I love the control that a lather bowl gives. It is much easier to manipulate the water component and to properly agitate a more stubborn medium. Certainly, the diameter and depth of the bowl are important in finding a proper lather vessel, but to some degree, the final preferences will be individual.

When looking at the qualities of a good or even great lather, it is important to remember that many of your personal criteria are not universally necessary traits. The only thing that lather must do to be considered a success is to be lubricating enough to provide a skilled wet shaver with an irritation free shave (of course an allergy to said product negates its ability to perform in a satisfactory manner). Other desires filled or not filled by a particular product are the highly subjective traits that pertain to an individual’s personal preferences

As a side note, one method that I employ for testing the quality of my lather is that of rubbing it between index finger and thumb. This will give you immediate feedback as to a lather’s performance potential.

HOLDING THE RAZOR
Indeed this is something that I think is horribly overlooked by new and old wet shavers alike. A proper razor grip can provide a quick solution to those who struggle with the issue of too much pressure. By using a two or three-fingered grip on the tip of the handle, one can maintain excellent control of the razor and razor angle while retarding their ability to apply pressure.
http://badgerandblade.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=3005

http://badgerandblade.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=3006

RAZOR ANGLE AND RAZOR PRESSURE
Razor angle and razor pressure are the two most difficult components in wet shaving to consistently master. Additionally, these two things become increasingly difficult when you move from the planes of the cheeks to the hills and valleys of the neck. Practice, practice, practice is the only thing that can earn the angle and pressure merit badges.

Not surprisingly, these two elements are not at all independent of one another. I find that improving one will automatically encourage the improvement of the other. Perhaps the most important tool in conquering these foes is to understand that as men, when faced by opposition of a stubborn whisker, or posse of whiskers, our natural response is the old “I’ll show you, you stubborn little…” attitude. When faced with a stubborn problem, avoid violence. Attack the issue, or whiskers in this scenario, from a different angle of approach until you emerge the victor.

NUMBER AND DIRECTION OF PASSES
Like many of you, while performing my due diligence in wet shaving research, I ran across the ever-popular cut sheets. For a beginning wet shaver, I believe these to be an invaluable tool. They are not the final answer in wet shaving, but they are a terrific guide for the inexperienced and can get you some very good shaves while you are figuring out the intricacies that best suit your individual hair growth patterns.

For the longest time, I performed shaving passes from N-S, ear-to-chin, jaw-to-nose, and S-N. This was followed by some touch and cut where I utilized a pressure-blading technique. This series of passes provided many a good shave. It has been quite recently, however, that I’ve added another pass to this regime, which has dramatically changed the resulting shave and for the better. The change of which I speak is a pure E-W or ear-to-nose pass that has been inserted as the third pass. Instituting this little miracle has caused the S-N pass to be only necessary in a few select areas and with an incredibly light, almost negative pressure touch. Additionally, the touch and cut is now rarely necessary. This change up has resulted in a higher percentage of A+ shaves while nearly eradicating instances of even slight razor burn or even sensitivity.

CONCLUSION
I doubt that there is anything I do in the process of a shave that is truly unique or original. Perhaps the way that I’ve paired some of the building blocks is different or new, but everything I do is essentially something that I picked up from another member here at B&B.

To those of you gentlemen who have forged the path ahead of me and left behind the map and the trail to the nirvana or Zen that you have found, I say thank you.

AJS
07-23-2006, 03:51 PM
A new bible for the novice wet shaver, as well as the hopelessly impractical (i.e me.) Great post Kyle.

NMMB
07-23-2006, 03:58 PM
Great post indeed! Kyle, posts like this one are the reason why B&B is such a great resource. Thanks for the time, thought and energy that must have been invested in this post.

Tito
07-23-2006, 04:27 PM
Kyle,

Once again you take the crusade to the next level and a better place. Thanks!

msandoval858
07-23-2006, 04:32 PM
Definately great info. The part about holding the razor is very easily overlooked. I know, I learned the hard way. Thanks for sharing!

roughrider
07-23-2006, 04:38 PM
Good job Kyle. Great info.

Austin
07-23-2006, 04:47 PM
Kyle, great post. I confer the advanced degree of Doctorate in Shaving Science! Well done.

Kyle
07-23-2006, 04:50 PM
Kyle, great post. I confer the advanced degree of Doctorate in Shaving Science! Well done.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

JMT
07-23-2006, 05:25 PM
Good post. I especially like the point about holding the razor, I hold it much closer to the head and sometimes find myself applying too much pressure. I will try your technique next shave to see if it helps me.

Jim
07-23-2006, 05:43 PM
BRAVO-well done! another valuable resource for the neophyte beard buster!

May I ask how long that took to write?

jduffy
07-23-2006, 06:00 PM
Thank you and particularly with regards to the Holding the Razor portion of your article. That runs counter to the way I have been holding my razors. I'm becoming more comfortable holding them but my grip is much closer to the head. Your grip leaves me thinking that there would be less control.

I will experiment with your technique this week.

Joedy
07-23-2006, 06:09 PM
Just remember, the blades are plenty sharp enough to do their jobs, so focus on using "negative pressure" and your shaves will improve.

-joedy

TraderJoe
07-23-2006, 06:13 PM
Kyle, thanks for taking the time the post this. I'm sure it will help many, I believe it will help me a great deal.

Kyle
07-23-2006, 07:12 PM
My thanks to all of your very kind comments.

TraderJoe
07-23-2006, 07:28 PM
My thanks to all of your very kind comments.

Its good to know that I'm not the only one with "uniquely plagued with an extremely course beard and terribly sensitive skin."

Mycroft999
07-23-2006, 07:34 PM
Excellent advice. I can put this to use for my next shave.

Nick

bigDee
07-23-2006, 07:44 PM
Great read. I was interested in the part about prepping the face and the way you hold the razor. Good work. I will consider these techniques in my first shave.

rtaylor61
07-23-2006, 07:55 PM
Well thought out, and well said. Great job!

Randy

tonyespo
07-23-2006, 09:30 PM
Your post is GREAT. This post should be saved and emailed or PM'ed to every newbie who askes how to get started. Even though I am a shower shaver I agree with your hot towel prep being so important if one doesn't shave in the shower. Good job Kyle.

Tony Espo

varpula
07-23-2006, 11:31 PM
Great post.. thanxs.. will try "your" way of holding the razor next time. I have noticed that I am putting a little to much pressure on the razor and maybe this will helpo me

Jonnybc
07-23-2006, 11:36 PM
I don't hold the razor anything like that, I'm going to give it a try...

Rik
07-24-2006, 03:13 PM
Excellent Thread Kyle!!!

Wolfman
07-24-2006, 05:08 PM
Very nice post Kyle! I too used to always shower after my shave to help stop the blood from pouring out of my face. However, since using the DE I've been able to shave after my shower.

ouch
07-24-2006, 05:45 PM
Kyle's posts have always been great, but lately he has stepped it up another notch. Aside from Joel, Scott, and Ron, I don't know of anyone who puts more effort into their posts.

Nice job!

mrob
07-25-2006, 02:21 PM
I would second Ouch's comment above--and add that Kyle is always a gentleman in his approach and delivery when dispensing advice. He's one of the guys that makes B&B what it is.

Thanks Kyle! Great job!

misterjoshua
07-26-2006, 09:55 AM
Thanks for that! Great stuff for this newbie.

Josh

joepa
08-03-2006, 06:15 AM
In the "Passes" section of the parent post, what do "E-W," "S-N," and "N-S" mean? Do they just mean "East-to-West," "South-to-North" and "North-to-South"? If so, I don't understand what Kyle means when he says that he added an "E-W or ear-to-nose pass." Going from ear-to-nose on the right side of the face would indeed be a movement from east-to-west. But moving from ear-to-nose on the left side of the face would be a movement from west-to-east. And I wouldn't think that one is supposed to move from ear-to-nose on the left side of the face, and from nose-to-ear on the right side. But this is what "E-W" literally implies. So what is the deal? Is the "E-W" movement understood to be relative to the right side of the face, and simply mirrored on the left? Do I sound like an idiot for even getting confused about this? :)

Also, are there any other abbreviations that are commonly used when talking about passes? As a newbie, I'm finding talk of the number and type of passes to be the most difficult part of wet shaving to understand. So I would really appreciate it if you guys could help me to better understand that aspect of things.

Thanks!
-Joe

Kyle
08-03-2006, 07:26 AM
In the "Passes" section of the parent post, what do "E-W," "S-N," and "N-S" mean? Do they just mean "East-to-West," "South-to-North" and "North-to-South"? ...If so, I don't understand what Kyle means when he says that he added an "E-W or ear-to-nose pass." Is the "E-W" movement understood to be relative to the right side of the face, and simply mirrored on the left?
Yes, N-S would indicate North-to-South, etc. Another way of interpreting these would be:
N-S = North-to-South = with the grain
Ear-to-Chin = downward diagonal stroke working toward the midline of the face = somewhat diagonal to but with the grain
E-W and W-E = horizontal stroke working toward the midline of the face = across the grain
Jaw-to-Nose = upward diagonal stroke working toward the midline of the face = somewhat diagonal to but against the grain
S-N = South-to-North = against the grain
I hope this helps clarify everything.

TimmyBoston
09-19-2006, 02:37 AM
I'll admit when I first saw the grip, I thought, "No Way" it couldn't possibly work, but after just a few days, my technique improved drastically. Kyle this was a great post, thank you so much. Every newbie here should have it emailed to their account upon membership, out of all the great advice I've gotten, this is the simplest and most effective thing. I never thought just holding the razor could change things so much, but it does.

Edcculus
09-19-2006, 04:14 AM
I havent gotten my Merkur yet, but I tried a similar, less heavy grip on my Sensor last night. I didnt add any more pressure than was needed (although you have to add pressure since the razor isnt weighted). I think this helped contribute to one of my most comftorable shaves to date.

Duggo
09-20-2006, 09:12 PM
Kyle-

Great post. Very informative.

Not only does does your grip work on DE razors, it also works on toothbrushes, of all things.

Duggo

Jim
09-21-2006, 06:24 AM
Welcome to the B&B Duggo!:biggrin:

TimmyBoston
10-01-2006, 02:14 AM
I wish I had read Kyle's whole post here more carefully instead of just focusing on the grip part alone (which is amazing by the way). I wasted weeks cutting myself and still unable to get a close shave along my jawline, before I figured out the Horizontal E to W, W to E stroke on my own. If I had just read it carefully, I would have known before I even started with a DE. :redface:

srk1103
11-03-2006, 11:39 PM
good stuff, but I'm still scared to hold dthe razor that far to the end :eek:


I'll give it my best shot!

theshankleton
11-12-2006, 08:34 AM
I still cant get the hold correct when shaving the neck!! Any tips?

TimmyBoston
11-22-2006, 12:19 AM
I still cant get the hold correct when shaving the neck!! Any tips?

Patience, it does work. I also tip my head up very high it makes the angle much easier when you hold the razor that low.

gigemlee
02-27-2007, 08:21 AM
Thanks for the hold technique!

I had been gripping my Long Handle Open Comb Classic toward razor head, this works much better!

fritz
02-28-2007, 10:08 AM
Your post is GREAT. This post should be saved and emailed or PM'ed to every newbie who askes how to get started. Even though I am a shower shaver I agree with your hot towel prep being so important if one doesn't shave in the shower. Good job Kyle.

Tony Espo

I have converted the post into a Word document and a PDF file. Now I just need to know what to do with them. IANAL, but I think technically Kyle has an inherent copyright on it; however I don't know what happens to that when it gets posted. Perhaps I could just email them to Kyle. Or, I could put them up on my web site to be downloaded. But it seems like the forum could post it somewhere.

Rousey
03-12-2007, 12:28 PM
Hi Kyle

I wanted to drop you a line to thank you for taking the time to write such a detailed and informative guide to DE shaving. After two weeks I was on the verge of giving up due to my shave being uncomfortable, however I read your thread and saw the videos on yourtube and over the weekend had the shave of my live!!!

Many thanks, Rousey

Kyle
03-12-2007, 02:57 PM
Rousey,
You are very welcome. I am glad that this post has proven helpful to you and that your shaves have begun to "turn the corner".

fritz
03-13-2007, 12:54 PM
Hi Kyle
I wanted to drop you a line to thank you for taking the time to write such a detailed and informative guide to DE shaving. After two weeks I was on the verge of giving up due to my shave being uncomfortable, however I read your thread and saw the videos on yourtube and over the weekend had the shave of my live!!!
Many thanks, Rousey

I'll add my thanks to you also, Kyle. For both of these How-to Stickys. I've been getting "acceptable" shaves most of my life, even though I went through some brief periods of Edge Gel, Trac-2's and even Mach 3's. Over the last few weeks I've tried the no-shower, Proraso preshave, lather + massage + hot towel techniques and have been amazed at the extra closeness with comfort. Especially after combining with the "stubble reduction" technique of 3 or 4 passes.

The only other thing I've tried for the last two days is an "undercoat" of Jason's 84% Aloe Vera lotion (which has glycerin) before applying the lather. Wow! Glides..... slicker than greased owl feathers!:biggrin::biggrin: Probably, just about any kind of lotion with plenty of glycerin would work.

Yes, the whole magillah takes a little more time, but just keep in mind "Shave in haste, regret at leisure."

Kramer
06-06-2007, 07:52 PM
greased owl feathers?

I'm not sure how to respond to that, but I'm begining to understand the 'wow!'.

fritz
06-16-2007, 01:14 PM
greased owl feathers?
I'm not sure how to respond to that, but I'm begining to understand the 'wow!'.
You aren't from around here, are ya? Well, the, ahem, guano that owls produce is an oily semi-liquid kinda stuff, very slippery when fresh. Now, if you were to take some of that stuff, and then grease it, you'd have something that was really slick. Something that was even more slick would then be "Slicker than greased owl $#!+":biggrin:
But those of us who have been gentrified will use the more polite expression "Slicker than greased owl feathers." (Actually, the small feathers on the bottom of the owl's stomach area really are pretty smooth and slippery, as well.)

2bits
01-20-2008, 09:06 AM
A minimalist at heart, I find there is increased joy by - simplifying - the shaving process. This does not mean to compromise, but rather to optimize.

In my experience:

Shave with a safety razor as you would with a straight razor (aka Paying attention).
Brain AWOL (Away With Out Leave) = cuts & nicks.
Shaving is not like sleeping / watching TV / talking on a cell phone ...

Do NOT shave with this - The Motorola "RAZR" :eek:

http://badgerandblade.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=10654

If you are unwilling or unable to attend to the task and adjust as you go, you need a barber or an electric razor.

There is no dial setting that is equal to a map of your face so you adjust the angle of the blade by ear (aka listen the sound of the whiskers being cut). Luckily (for most of us) our ears are not too far from where the action is!

The final result depends on the pre-shave (see Lyle's posts - for why this is so).

There is a reason that more of your brain is used to process the feeling in your hand than any other sensory process. For example: it is easier to feel stubble than to see stubble. [I'm in my 60's and need to take off my glasses to see stuff close up ... anyway ... ]

If our bodies were proportional to our brains sensory areas we would look like this -

http://badgerandblade.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=10655

Clearly touching your face with your hands is the way to know what's going on.

A Minimal / Optimum Process in 3 steps: Pre-Shave, Shave, Finish

1) Pre-shave - to get at least 3 minutes of hot, wet, soapy beard prep ...

a) While showering - first shampoo and rinse your hair
b) With your finger tips - coat WELL all of your beard with a little water and a small amount of shaving cream (or soap)
c) Finish showering and drying yourself - BUT LEAVE THE BEARD SOAPY!
d) Prepare a shaving lather as you like on face, hand or in a bowl
e) Apply lather over the cream you used to prep beard

2) Shave - applying little or no pressure, with a sharp blade on the stick of your choice ...

a) 1st stroke, down adjusting the blade angle as you go - by ear
b) FEEL with your finger tips to establish growth direction (grain) of the whiskers in that area.
c) next stroke - go against the grain
d) FEEL to see if your done
e) Done? Move on to next area
Not Done? Repeat 1x against grain & Move on to next area
f) Continue, an area at a time, until your shave is complete

3) Finish - Touchups required?
After rinsing with hot water, apply a little lather and feel your skin.
Carefully note the location and the direction of any remaining whisker growth.

Shave 1x against the grain only where you feel stubble.

Rinse with cool water. Pat dry with a towel.

Apply a moisturizer and/or balm or "Blind man test" confirming your face = baby butt :biggrin:


Optonal extra - Limbic brain inclusion

If the act of shaving must rival a week on the beach in Hawaii, add to your lather
a drop of coconut extract
or
sunscreen you used on your last vacation. :w00t:

stripec30
01-24-2008, 10:26 AM
Thanks Kyle. These techniques really improved my shave quality.

Kyle
01-26-2008, 09:05 PM
Thanks Kyle. These techniques really improved my shave quality.

:thumbsup:

atr1981
03-06-2008, 07:26 AM
Indeed, I'll be trying some of these techniques in the future. A great posting from an obviously knowledgable guy.

Mr. Todd
03-14-2008, 07:52 PM
Interesting... I think I'll try this combination of passes tomorrow morn'

When you say "The change of which I speak is a pure E-W or ear-to-nose pass that has been inserted as the third pass."

DOes this mean that you no logner do the jaw-to-nose pass and this ear-to-nose pass instead? Or that you do this E-W pass just before hte S-N pass?

Kyle
03-18-2008, 03:48 PM
Interesting... I think I'll try this combination of passes tomorrow morn'

When you say "The change of which I speak is a pure E-W or ear-to-nose pass that has been inserted as the third pass."

DOes this mean that you no logner do the jaw-to-nose pass and this ear-to-nose pass instead? Or that you do this E-W pass just before hte S-N pass?

N-S
Ear-to-Chin
Ear-to-Nose
Jaw-to-Nose
S-N

Talleyrand
04-21-2008, 10:22 PM
As a new wet shaver I can't say enough good things about what seems to be called the Kyle Holding Technique. My very first DE wet shave (with a Merkur Classic) turned out to be a fantastic experience largely because I wasn't gripping my razor like a rake. A delicate yet quite precise touch seems to be a very good thing for me and one I can recommend to anyone starting out. You can always increase your grip so why not start out with a light touch?

Cordially,
M. Talleyrand

Kyle
04-24-2008, 04:59 PM
Thanks, M. I'm glad its working for you. :thumbsup:

kreigle
05-13-2008, 09:14 AM
The grip is one part that I still have trouble with. I generally grip the razor like shown in the pictures, but if I don't pay close attention to what I am doing, I find myself 'choking up' more on the handle, with my index finger ending up near the top of the handle.

This may be because I am still a newbie, but I frequently have to check myself and re-adjust my grip. Hopefully, the grip will become more natural as I practice it.

Kyle
05-17-2008, 08:43 AM
The grip is one part that I still have trouble with. I generally grip the razor like shown in the pictures, but if I don't pay close attention to what I am doing, I find myself 'choking up' more on the handle, with my index finger ending up near the top of the handle.

This may be because I am still a newbie, but I frequently have to check myself and re-adjust my grip. Hopefully, the grip will become more natural as I practice it.

This is something that I usually revisit anytime the quality of my shaves begins to dwindle. When I alter from these two grip styles, I invariably apply too much pressure and have mild blade angle issues.

wscott52
05-17-2008, 09:49 AM
Good post.

You describe basically what I do: N-S, S-N, E-W from ear to nose, W-E from ear to nose, then final touchup on any missed spots still with stubble.

I also shave before I shower. My main reason if the bathroom mirror is fogged when I get out the shower. I also seem to get just as good a shave before the shower.

I use three fingers on the end of the razor.

eric.huntley
08-20-2008, 01:42 PM
NUMBER AND DIRECTION OF PASSES
Like many of you, while performing my due diligence in wet shaving research, I ran across the ever-popular cut sheets.

What are "cut sheets" and where do I find them?

Bobtrumpet
08-20-2008, 01:55 PM
What are "cut sheets" and where do I find them?

Here you go.

http://www.enchanteonline.com/pages/faqs/cuttingforms.pdf

cpdetailing
02-09-2009, 07:57 PM
Here's a question: Kyle, you like to shave before taking a shower. After shaving, do you apply your moisturizer/balm, THEN shower, or do you shave, shower, THEN moisturizer/balm?

cpdetailing
02-16-2009, 12:03 PM
Ding, ding! Anyone can help me with my question above? Thanks...I know this thread is kinda old

Kyle
02-22-2009, 06:24 PM
cpdetailing,

I use aftershave products after showering.

cpdetailing
02-22-2009, 06:39 PM
muchas grazias Kyle!

OldSaw
03-07-2009, 11:20 AM
cpdetailing,

I use aftershave products after showering.

Dude!!! Your back. :clap::kyle1::clap:

Fernando
06-06-2009, 04:46 PM
A new bible for the novice wet shaver, as well as the hopelessly impractical (i.e me.) Great post Kyle.

+1 Tks.

SjhC
02-15-2010, 10:02 PM
I feel like I'm ready for my first DE experience. Let's see how things go.
Scott
(SjhC)

mitasol
03-12-2010, 09:36 PM
cpdetailing,

I use aftershave products after showering.

Finally I have found another person who shaves BEFORE showering:001_smile

After a cold rinse following the last pass, I tend to dry and then apply a light moisturiser. I then go for breakfast etc. After showering, and the last part of my shower is cold water running over my face (I do live in the tropics :001_smile), I dry my face and then apply an aftershave moisturiser. So far so good, not bad for a forty something novice :laugh:

Scientist
06-22-2010, 03:08 PM
Thanks this has really made a huge difference to how I shave, before I didn't pay too much attention to the growth of my beard and so at times was shaving against the grain without with the grain beforehand which gave me a lot of irritation :taz:

Much improved now! :badger:

MrLastway
06-22-2010, 03:15 PM
Very very nicely done :001_smile:thumbup:

Chacho
06-24-2010, 08:05 PM
Great post, love the information, detail and photos. At only two and a half weeks into wet shaving I'm still working on the pressure/angle issue, especially around the neck and jawline. I'll be trying out the razor grips tomorrow, and sending a link to this to a newbie friend of mine. Thanks for taking the time to educate. :thumbup:

Chacho
07-16-2010, 10:37 PM
Just a quick follow up. The three finger grip on the razor has dramatically helped me in the pressure/angle department and almost entirely eliminated razor burn for me. Thanks Kyle!

sdaniels
05-15-2011, 09:05 AM
I will try the 3 finger grip!

TheVibesGuy
05-18-2011, 03:02 PM
The three finger grip has helped me quite a bit!
Pleasantly surprised :thumbup:

greyrooms
02-24-2012, 10:02 PM
I've only been DE shaving for 2 months. I agree with shaving before a shower. Some face oils seem to help me keep the razor burn down.

Thanks for the post.

Rschan
06-11-2012, 06:29 PM
Nice to see a post by kyle after some time ( If I haven't missed some in the past)
As usual a great post by a great veteran. I was drawn to experiment further in wet shaving after reading the two reviews on HD34c and the slant by kyle. When that happened I was not even a member here.

Thank you very much for sharing

noahpictures
06-11-2012, 10:31 PM
Nice to see a post by kyle after some time ( If I haven't missed some in the past)
As usual a great post by a great veteran. I was drawn to experiment further in wet shaving after reading the two reviews on HD34c and the slant by kyle. When that happened I was not even a member here.

Thank you very much for sharing

+1

kubotta4
12-01-2012, 08:05 AM
Hey, very informative post. Good job. What happens though when you have whiskers (in my case the mustache area )that are hard almost impossible to cut?

unwrinkled
12-16-2012, 10:16 AM
OP: "My prep consists of holding a hot moist towel over the area to be shaved for 2-3 minutes. I use hot water from the tap and will “refresh” the towel in the sink bowl every 30-45 seconds until I have reached the aforementioned 2-3 minute mark."

As I am also a "shower after shave rather than before" kind of guy, i wanted to try the above advice. I end up looking like batman being waterboarded when i do this. Can someone educate me as to the finer points of this menaouver? I end up standing in front of the sink with towel dripping from corners and no matter how i hold it, half my face is not being lubricated.
i have tried using less water on towel, but less water isnt enough to let my face soak it up.

do you do this standing up?

i realize how tediously detailed i'm being, but this act is very inelegant the way i do it, and in general i am a pretty graceful, athletic dude. (i am comfortable enough with my sexuality to cal myself graceful as a compliment, thank you):biggrin1:

azshave
04-14-2013, 09:12 PM
OP: "My prep consists of holding a hot moist towel over the area to be shaved for 2-3 minutes. I use hot water from the tap and will “refresh” the towel in the sink bowl every 30-45 seconds until I have reached the aforementioned 2-3 minute mark."

As I am also a "shower after shave rather than before" kind of guy, i wanted to try the above advice. I end up looking like batman being waterboarded when i do this. Can someone educate me as to the finer points of this menaouver? I end up standing in front of the sink with towel dripping from corners and no matter how i hold it, half my face is not being lubricated.
i have tried using less water on towel, but less water isnt enough to let my face soak it up.

do you do this standing up?

i realize how tediously detailed i'm being, but this act is very inelegant the way i do it, and in general i am a pretty graceful, athletic dude. (i am comfortable enough with my sexuality to cal myself graceful as a compliment, thank you):biggrin1:


Sounds like you have too much water. Ring it out, there is still enough water in to for your beard/face to soak it up. When it cools a little, dip/rinse with hot again, ring it out, repeat.

Good luck!

Viper
05-30-2013, 10:12 AM
Good read! I definitely will try the grip you posted, seems like a better one than I normally do.

Wyokid
05-31-2013, 09:05 PM
Gripping the end really helps with pressure problems! Thanks for the reminder!