Ufc

[denissawyer]

Just wondering how many of you members are fans of the UFC?

[papasmurf]

Just wondering how many of you members are fans of the UFC?

Huge fan over hear




Never miss a PPV





Nick

[denissawyer]

Neither do I, its a great opportunity to catch up with the boys since were all in university spread throughout the maritimes but we make a point to migrate back to Saint John for UFC nights.

[analog_kid]

While I'm a huge fan of MMA, I'm not much of a fan of the UFC. More so, the people who run the show there. I CAN NOT STAND DANA WHITE. I also wonder why Mike Goldberg still has a job with the organization, or at least why Rogan doesn't slap a rear naked choke on him at every show for his ridiculuos comments.

Management aside, there really isn't much else to watch anymore after the demise of Pride. The IFL, EliteXC, WEC and the other smaller organizations don't have much along the lines of talent, but a lot of the new guys out there are looking good so there is hope.

[denissawyer]

While I'm a huge fan of MMA, I'm not much of a fan of the UFC. More so, the people who run the show there. I CAN NOT STAND DANA WHITE. I also wonder why Mike Goldberg still has a job with the organization, or at least why Rogan doesn't slap a rear naked choke on him at every show for his ridiculuos comments.

Management aside, there really isn't much else to watch anymore after the demise of Pride. The IFL, EliteXC, WEC and the other smaller organizations don't have much along the lines of talent, but a lot of the new guys out there are looking good so there is hope.


Pride and K-1 are awesome hopefully ill be able to see a live fedor fight before he retires.

[mpmartinez99]

HUGE fan here. Went to the Gonzaga/Coture Fight in Vegas for my Bachelor Party! Great time. I also love WEC, Pride, and K-1. I remember this sport I also used to love called boxing.....anyone else remember that?????

[denissawyer]

HUGE fan here. Went to the Gonzaga/Coture Fight in Vegas for my Bachelor Party! Great time. I also love WEC, Pride, and K-1. I remember this sport I also used to love called boxing.....anyone else remember that?????

How in the blue moon did you get tickets?

[mpmartinez99]

How in the blue moon did you get tickets?

My best man did the leg work. We had it planned out way in advance. Wasn't cheap, but it was a great time. We had 12 guys with us, so he called for Mandalay Bay for group seating.

[denissawyer]

arent tickets like 750 a piece?

[denissawyer]

congrats on getting married too btw:w00t:

[mpmartinez99]

arent tickets like 750 a piece?

No. We paid 250 each. Tickets range in price depending on the event. We got them the day they went on sale too, so that helped. Some of the tix were going for well over $1000 the day of. It was mayhem. Thanks for the Congrats also! I appreciate it!!!!

[denissawyer]

its definetely something me and boys here want to do its just were all up here in Canada so it could get pricey.

[mpmartinez99]

If you sign up for the UFC fight club, you can get tix earlier than the general public. I am willing to bet that you can get them for around $150/ticket for the cheapest seats to most of the fights. I would give that a shot. Its a must do once in a lifetime.

[jnich67]

I'm a big MMA fan also.

Shame about boxing. When I was a kid you used to be able to see a quality championship fight on network TV almost every weekend. I think PPV ruined the sport.

Jordan

[denissawyer]

No. We paid 250 each. Tickets range in price depending on the event. We got them the day they went on sale too, so that helped. Some of the tix were going for well over $1000 the day of. It was mayhem. Thanks for the Congrats also! I appreciate it!!!!


definetely and seeing as how were all getting a little older , I am 23, ppl we know are starting to get married so ...

[SmoovD]

Add me to the list of MMA fans. As far as the UFC, Dana White is a twit. IMHO, the UFC rides the fine line between athletics and entertainment ala WWE. I prefer more competition and less crap. And what is the deal with the UFC's attempts to create/market "stars"? Good fighters should get good matches, not only those who will sell the brand.

On a related topic, Big Ten Network has been showing collegiate wrestling live, in prime time. Everyone knows that Big Ten wrestling is the conference for wrestling. Hands down. And this weekend is Minnesota and Iowa. :w00t:

[jnich67]

Add me to the list of MMA fans. As far as the UFC, Dana White is a twit. IMHO, the UFC rides the fine line between athletics and entertainment ala WWE. I prefer more competition and less crap. And what is the deal with the UFC's attempts to create/market "stars"? Good fighters should get good matches, not only those who will sell the brand.

On a related topic, Big Ten Network has been showing collegiate wrestling live, in prime time. Everyone knows that Big Ten wrestling is the conference for wrestling. Hands down. And this weekend is Minnesota and Iowa. :w00t:

I understand why so many don't like Mr. White and agree that UFC is close to the edge on entertainment/sport, but...I also understand that the sport has to generate some mainstream appeal in order remain viable. It languished for 10 years and almost went under before Zuffa got the marketing going. Its a tough balance and I have mixed feelings. Reminds me of how I feel about AOS :lol:

Jordan

Jordan

[SmoovD]

Jordan,

They do need to be marketed to be viable. But that can be accomplished without resorting to Tito/Shamrock III. Or the seasonal idiots at TUF. The problems of the fledgling UFC were more along the lines of it wasn't so much of an atheletic competition as a street brawl. Rules have been established, they are licensed to fight in several states, they are attempting to begome legitimate. And all the while marketing the brawl. I just wish they would emphasize the athletes, not the entertainers.

[mpmartinez99]

Speaking of Entertainment vs. Athletes, how about Brock Lesnar v. Frank Mir this weekend?

[analog_kid]

Speaking of Entertainment vs. Athletes, how about Brock Lesnar v. Frank Mir this weekend?

Depends which Mir shows up. I see Mir either destroying Lesnar, or Lesnar getting by with a decision.


Nog/Silvia has me the most excited. I'd like nothing more than the Nog from Pride to show up and play Timmah like a fiddle with quick, accurate strikes, and then finish him with a nice choke. The Nog that bowed into a leg kick by Heath Herring wasn't the guy I knew from Pride.

[rodd]

I am also a MMA fan, a group of friends and I get together for every event we can get.

[mpmartinez99]

Depends which Mir shows up. I see Mir either destroying Lesnar, or Lesnar getting by with a decision.


Nog/Silvia has me the most excited. I'd like nothing more than the Nog from Pride to show up and play Timmah like a fiddle with quick, accurate strikes, and then finish him with a nice choke. The Nog that bowed into a leg kick by Heath Herring wasn't the guy I knew from Pride.

I like the Nog/Silvia fight too, but Pride fighters have had a weak showing since the merger (minus Rampage). UFC needs to pay some actual money and get Fedor in to clean up the Heavyweight division.

[SmoovD]

I see Mir catching Lesnar and submitting him. Even if Mir shows up smoking a cig he still has BJJ. Lesnar is a physical speciman but I have a hard time believing that his defense skills are very developed. Mir can come up with some pretty inventive holds. Lesnar would have benefitted from the patented UFC kid-glove treatment- let him beat some also-rans before throwing him into the cage with a quality fighter. Maybe Dana is counting on Mir not training?

Sylvia bores me to tears and the Minotauro who fought Herring wasn't very impressive. So I am not looking forward to this match. Hopefully, Nog just took the Herring match off and he cleans Sylvia's clock.

IMHO, the cage vs. the ring is the biggest detriment to the PRIDE fighters. It is harder to cut-off the ring in the cage. Then you have the different striking rules. After years of fighting with one set of rules it must be difficult to adjust.

[AACJ]

I'm a fan, not all out though. My neighbor has a party each and every PPV, I have a standing invitation (and reminder call) and when I'm not working, I usually bring brats and/or wings. Plus Mickey's Big Mouth beer, you know, a sponsor of the UFC.

[mpmartinez99]

I see Mir catching Lesnar and submitting him. Even if Mir shows up smoking a cig he still has BJJ. Lesnar is a physical speciman but I have a hard time believing that his defense skills are very developed. Mir can come up with some pretty inventive holds. Lesnar would have benefitted from the patented UFC kid-glove treatment- let him beat some also-rans before throwing him into the cage with a quality fighter. Maybe Dana is counting on Mir not training?

Sylvia bores me to tears and the Minotauro who fought Herring wasn't very impressive. So I am not looking forward to this match. Hopefully, Nog just took the Herring match off and he cleans Sylvia's clock.

IMHO, the cage vs. the ring is the biggest detriment to the PRIDE fighters. It is harder to cut-off the ring in the cage. Then you have the different striking rules. After years of fighting with one set of rules it must be difficult to adjust.

You have to remember that Lesnar was a NCAA Champion Wrestler in 2000, and has an extensive wrestling background (not WWE). This will be a good test for his skillset, and we will see which Mir shows up.

[ouch]

Speaking of Entertainment vs. Athletes, how about Brock Lesnar v. Frank Mir this weekend?

Don't think for a moment that Brock isn't an athlete. He used to destroy people in his amatuer days.

We should start our own B&B fight club. :lol:

[texcattlerancher]

Another fan here. Hughes was/is one of my favorites, but he is past his prime. He just isn't quick enough any more for a guy like St. Pierre(sp?). I think Serra's defeat of St. Pierre was a fluke -- a lucky strike to the back of the head essentially.

[jnich67]

Jordan,

They do need to be marketed to be viable. But that can be accomplished without resorting to Tito/Shamrock III. Or the seasonal idiots at TUF. The problems of the fledgling UFC were more along the lines of it wasn't so much of an atheletic competition as a street brawl. Rules have been established, they are licensed to fight in several states, they are attempting to begome legitimate. And all the while marketing the brawl. I just wish they would emphasize the athletes, not the entertainers.

I completely agree.

Anyway, I do think the level of athletes and their training has been improving by leaps and bounds over the past few years. The skill level now is just amazing. I'm looking forward to seeing more of the lighter weight guys. They really scrap.

Jordan

[Nick]

I also wonder why Mike Goldberg still has a job with the organization, or at least why Rogan doesn't slap a rear naked choke on him at every show for his ridiculuos comments.
Perhaps it's because Mike Goldberg likes to impose his will. I bet he's also had high altitued training at big bear. :rolleyes:

You could make a drinking game out of how many times that guy says something completely asinine.

-Nick

[SmoovD]

You have to remember that Lesnar was a NCAA Champion Wrestler in 2000, and has an extensive wrestling background (not WWE). This will be a good test for his skillset, and we will see which Mir shows up.

Yeah, I am aware. Granted, wrestling provides a good foundation but wrestling is much different than MMA. Submission defense will be a liability on the ground.

And we don't need a B&B fight club when there is sherdog.com

[mpmartinez99]

Yeah, I am aware. Granted, wrestling provides a good foundation but wrestling is much different than MMA. Submission defense will be a liability on the ground.

And we don't need a B&B fight club when there is sherdog.com

Yeah, I am aware also that MMA and wrestling are very different. Im sure Lesnar is getting sufficient BJJ training as well as stand up. I guess we'll see on Saturday.

[analog_kid]

I like the Nog/Silvia fight too, but Pride fighters have had a weak showing since the merger (minus Rampage). UFC needs to pay some actual money and get Fedor in to clean up the Heavyweight division.


Don't hold your breath. Dana botched signing Fedor and both parties walked away very bitter about the whole deal. Dana actually said that Fedor "Isn't even one of the Top 5 heavyweights in the MMA world". Dana apparently lives on a different planet.

The rule changes and the Octogan play a big role in Pride fighters having trouble in the UFC. Taking away the knees to downed opponents(Guido/Huerta proved how ridiculous that rule is, oh your going to knee me? I'll just drop to my knees then it's illegal), giving them elbows which they were not used to, and obviously the Octogan is a huge difference. You can't cut off your opponent in the Octogan like in a ring. Also, as I'm sure Tim will display this weekend, you can't pin your opponent up against the cage in a ring and lay on them for 3 rounds and win a decision. :mad:

[analog_kid]

Yeah, I am aware also that MMA and wrestling are very different. Im sure Lesnar is getting sufficient BJJ training as well as stand up. I guess we'll see on Saturday.


I'm sure he is too. But you can't become a proficient striker or BJJ practitioner in a year, which is the length of Lesnar's MMA training, or so I've heard.

I'm not totally counting Lesnar out. He has a chance, but a very small one in my opinion. Especially if Mir comes in shape and focused.

[Johnny_Z]

I liked UFC when it was one style vs another. Now it's just brawling, no art involved.

Yeah, they're tough, but I don't consider them martial artists.

[denissawyer]

I honestly believe that occassionaly Dana White is sometimes taken by the talent he has currently under the UFC umbrella, the problem is that he believes he has the best talent and puts on the blinders beyond that. Although the heavyweight class isnt what it is in Pride especially it is improving and signing Fedor would have been the tip of the Ice Berg. Another thing although Joe Rogan has some training in BJJ I believe I really think he should stick to Fear Factor same goes for Mike Goldberg. One person I really enjoyed in the broadcast booth was Randy couture.

[SmoovD]

It is a not a martial art. These fighters are an amalgamation of many styles. Successful fighters must be able to strike, grapple, submit and provide defense. I still can see styles emerge within a fight, when one fighters begins to dominate. Usually after a weakness or a mistake is exploited by one of the fighters.

so I kinda agree with you.:online2long:

[Huskysibe]

I love the UFC! I have Tivo tape everything that has to do with it LOL

Billy

[analog_kid]

I honestly believe that occassionaly Dana White is sometimes taken by the talent he has currently under the UFC umbrella, the problem is that he believes he has the best talent and puts on the blinders beyond that. Although the heavyweight class isnt what it is in Pride especially it is improving and signing Fedor would have been the tip of the Ice Berg. Another thing although Joe Rogan has some training in BJJ I believe I really think he should stick to Fear Factor same goes for Mike Goldberg. One person I really enjoyed in the broadcast booth was Randy couture.


I actually enjoy Rogan's commentary. He actually understands the sport very well, but can't offer a lot of insight due to lack of in ring experience. Bas with Pride was an excellent combination. I personally think the UFC should have Rampage do guest commentary as often as possible, if for nothing more than is one-liners are hilarious.

[Mejnoon]

Sorry to bump an old thread, but I had to.

In a slightly bizarre, indirect way MMA is what brought me to wetshaving. ~2 years ago I was training at a little hole in the wall mma gym, and I got a spot of ring worm on my cheek from the mats. It turned into a staph infection that took 4 courses of antibiotics to shake, and ended up leaving my skin on that side of my face extremely sensitive. I couldn't shave without getting psoriasis, and the only answer my dermatologist could give me was "don't shave as often." That started me on the path that led to wetshaving:biggrin:

One thing I'd like to mention...if any of you guys decided to get into mma or any type of grappling art (brazilian jiu jitsu, submission wrestling, sambo) be VERY careful about hygeine and avoiding infections. That staph infection was NOT fun...I know a fighter that was temporarily paralyzed last year due to a staph infection that attacked his spine...others have died. Be concientous.

[germ79]

I too am a fan. My wife LOVES it too and we never miss a PPV.

Anyone else watch it in HD? It's great!

Also, anyone else laugh at the fact that Joe Rogan YELLS EVERYTHING HE SAYS?!! We always crack up about that.

J

[Ltltony]

I'm a huge MMA fan and train BJJ.

[papasmurf]

Silva VS Henderson coming up in a couple of days I can not wait to see this one it should be a great fight . I Hope Hendo will destroy Silva . But Once Silva gets in Silva's clench it will be over real fast . I just hope Silva does not end up breaking Hendos nose the way he did Franklin's . That was brutal !

What is every ones opinion on Brock Lesnars journey into the UFC ? Personally I think he will do really well once he settles in . Fighting in front of a crowd is not an issue with him since he has been on stage for so long in the WWE .He has a great wrestling background and I do not mean Pro wrestling . Although it would be funny as hell to see him do and F5 (or what ever the hell the called it) to some one in an MMA fight .

The UFC is getting some really good new talent and the sport will blow up and become even more popular thanks to Dana White and his management skills .
Love him or hate him he has done lots of good for the UFC . I have been a fan since day one . I have been to a few underground shows around NYC and have seen many fights . All the UFC needs to do now is get rid of Joe Rogan and Mike Goldberg . Mostly Mike is the guy that needs to get the boot he brings nothing to the table and all he does is ask Joe the same dumb questions over and over .

Example
Mike: Joe Hughes is in a bad position know isn't he ?

Joe :well GSP has a full mount and is dropping some bombs on Matt Hughes !
He needs to get out of this position or Big john will stop the fight !!

Mike : yeah he should get out of there fast .


It is always some thing stupid like that . If they kept Joe it would not be all bad he does know what he is talking about for the most part I just think he should go back to his worm and roach eating show .(more of a personal issue with Joe)
Mike needs to either stop asking all these idiotic questions or be replaced with some one a bit more knowledgeable .

[analog_kid]

Silva VS Henderson coming up in a couple of days I can not wait to see this one it should be a great fight . I Hope Hendo will destroy Silva . But Once Silva gets in Silva's clench it will be over real fast . I just hope Silva does not end up breaking Hendos nose the way he did Franklin's . That was brutal !

What is every ones opinion on Brock Lesnars journey into the UFC ? Personally I think he will do really well once he settles in . Fighting in front of a crowd is not an issue with him since he has been on stage for so long in the WWE .He has a great wrestling background and I do not mean Pro wrestling . Although it would be funny as hell to see him do and F5 (or what ever the hell the called it) to some one in an MMA fight .

The UFC is getting some really good new talent and the sport will blow up and become even more popular thanks to Dana White and his management skills .
Love him or hate him he has done lots of good for the UFC . I have been a fan since day one . I have been to a few underground shows around NYC and have seen many fights . All the UFC needs to do now is get rid of Joe Rogan and Mike Goldberg . Mostly Mike is the guy that needs to get the boot he brings nothing to the table and all he does is ask Joe the same dumb questions over and over .

Example
Mike: Joe Hughes is in a bad position know isn't he ?

Joe :well GSP has a full mount and is dropping some bombs on Matt Hughes !
He needs to get out of this position or Big john will stop the fight !!

Mike : yeah he should get out of there fast .


It is always some thing stupid like that . If they kept Joe it would not be all bad he does know what he is talking about for the most part I just think he should go back to his worm and roach eating show .(more of a personal issue with Joe)
Mike needs to either stop asking all these idiotic questions or be replaced with some one a bit more knowledgeable .


I don't see Hendo stopping Silva. Anderson is good. Like Fedor, BJ Penn, GSP good. I just watch that guy in awe every time he steps into the ring/cage. I love Hendo, but I got to give the nod to Silva, especially when weight is taken into consideration. Anderson is a natural 185, Hendo belongs at 205 and has to cut too much weight in this class.

As for the commentating, yes, Golide is a complete moron and why he even has a job commentating is beyond me. I don't think he knows a kimora from a rear naked choke.

I actually really like Rogan. I used to despise him, but after watching a lot of his stand up, I've grown to like his crude, in your face type of comedy. And he is a huge fan of MMA and really brings that to his commentating I think. I say get rid of Mike and have Joe commentate and have guest fighters for each event. Rampage, Mir, Hendo, and a handful of other guys do a great job in the booth and have the experience to back up what they say. I'd love to see Bas come back to comentating but I don't see that happening in the UFC!

[ouch]

I don't think he knows a kimora from a rear naked choke.


I know the difference. A rear naked choke is when you sneak up behind a guy and squeeze every last bit of breath out of him. A kimora is when you sneak up behind Russell Simmons and squeeze every last nickel out of him.

:tongue_sm

[jnich67]

I haven't seen Silva fight that many times, so I can't pick in this case. However, I think Hendo was relatively small for 205 and if he's used to mixing it up - and holding his own - with guys who walk around at 220+ and then cut to 205 (Wandi and Rampage for example), I think any 185 pounder is going to have trouble with him. We'll see. It should be a good fight.

Jordan

[papasmurf]

I know the difference. A rear naked choke is when you sneak up behind a guy and squeeze every last bit of breath out of him. A kimora is when you sneak up behind Russell Simmons and squeeze every last nickel out of him.

:tongue_sm



Damn Newbies always trying to highjack a thread .





Well if you check out Pride on FSNY they show a lot of the older fights and you may see some of Silvas fights

Here is a little highlight real of his

Highlight real (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1312685170156764171&q=anderson+Silva&total=868&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2)


If you do a quick search of his name for videos you will find a lot of this mans fights and you will see what a great fighter he really is .

He has incredible stand up but one of his main things is clench and knees to the face . usually when he lands a knee the fight is stopped shortly after .

I am really looking forward to this fight with hendo and I think it will be his (Silva's) hand raised at the end of the fight .

[Mejnoon]

I'm really lookin forward to Silva/Hendo too. I'm betting on Silva.

Tough call, but heres my reasoning. Hendo loves to duck, throw a huge overhand right, and plow his way into the clinch. Thats how he closes the distance most of the time, he's a greco guy...he doesn't change elevation and shoot, he charges in, chinches and throws.

Silva is too mobile and too precise with his striking. Hendo will eat leather (and knees) trying to get in, and while he's got quite the chin, Silva is deceptively powerful.

I could see Hendo holding Silva down, but not doing damage on the ground. Silva's guard is extremely hard to pass, his legs are long enough that he can just lock up a body triangle from the bottom.

[Mejnoon]

He has incredible stand up but one of his main things is clench and knees to the face . usually when he lands a knee the fight is stopped shortly after .


Look for his KO of Tony Fryklund, I guarantee you've never seen another KO like it:wink:

Fryklund is a super cool guy and fearless, he's taken some pretty bad beatings in his career. I chatted with him for a while after he fought Bang Ludwig in Strikeforce (Tony got socked up pretty bad, KO'd with a head kick if I recall correctly). He needed to get the webbing between to of his fingers stitched up because he didn't wrap his hands before the fight. Told me he doesn't like to wrap 'em, so sometimes he just doesn't:eek:

[papasmurf]

Look for his KO of Tony Fryklund, I guarantee you've never seen another KO like it:wink:

Fryklund is a super cool guy and fearless, he's taken some pretty bad beatings in his career. I chatted with him for a while after he fought Bang Ludwig in Strikeforce (Tony got socked up pretty bad, KO'd with a head kick if I recall correctly). He needed to get the webbing between to of his fingers stitched up because he didn't wrap his hands before the fight. Told me he doesn't like to wrap 'em, so sometimes he just doesn't:eek:

I have seen that fight before ......but for those who have not seen it here you go
silva vs Fryklund (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8680682831599423320&q=anderson+Silva+vs+Tony+Fryklund&total=6&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0)

[papasmurf]

I'm really lookin forward to Silva/Hendo too. I'm betting on Silva.

Tough call, but heres my reasoning. Hendo loves to duck, throw a huge overhand right, and plow his way into the clinch. Thats how he closes the distance most of the time, he's a greco guy...he doesn't change elevation and shoot, he charges in, chinches and throws.

Silva is too mobile and too precise with his striking. Hendo will eat leather (and knees) trying to get in, and while he's got quite the chin, Silva is deceptively powerful.

I could see Hendo holding Silva down, but not doing damage on the ground. Silva's guard is extremely hard to pass, his legs are long enough that he can just lock up a body triangle from the bottom.




That is going to be his biggest downfall of this fight once he goes to throw one of those Overhand rights that he steps into like a wild man he will catch a knee to the face that will take him out .

The only way he might not eat that knee is if that right lands and he knocks out Silva .

This should be a very interesting fight and I can not wait to see it

Any one that is looking to post results of the fight when it ends please put the words spoiler in the tittle so I do know read it I will not watch the fights until Sunday and rather not have the results spoiled for me :smile:

[Mejnoon]

That is going to be his biggest downfall of this fight once he goes to throw one of those Overhand rights that he steps into like a wild man he will catch a knee to the face that will take him out .

The only way he might not eat that knee is if that right lands and he knocks out Silva .

This should be a very interesting fight and I can not wait to see it

Any one that is looking to post results of the fight when it ends please put the words spoiler in the tittle so I do know read it I will not watch the fights until Sunday and rather not have the results spoiled for me :smile:

I hate to say it but besides Hendo/Silva, that card is kinda weak. Kongo/Herring has potential, and Cummo/Fioravanti could be exciting (if it airs on the PPV). Every other fight on the card is pretty easy to call.

Koscheck Fitch and Sanchez are all getting easy fights. I'd love to see Koscheck vs Fitch but that won't happen (they're training partners).

[analog_kid]

I hate to say it but besides Hendo/Silva, that card is kinda weak. Kongo/Herring has potential, and Cummo/Fioravanti could be exciting (if it airs on the PPV). Every other fight on the card is pretty easy to call.

Koscheck Fitch and Sanchez are all getting easy fights. I'd love to see Koscheck vs Fitch but that won't happen (they're training partners).


And this is different from every other UFC PPV how? Oh how I long for the days of Pride...:frown:

[Mejnoon]

And this is different from every other UFC PPV how? Oh how I long for the days of Pride...:frown:

Yeah, you have a point. There have been some notable exceptions...and its better than boxing...but I would LOVE to see some cards that rival old Pride cards. I think we'd have a better chance of getting them if M1/Dream had the UFC's roster to work with.

I'll take this opportunity to weigh in on the Dana White issue. In my opinion, Dana is pretty much solely responsible for the commercial success mma is enjoying at the moment. As a fighter (i've had one pro fight) and training partner/friend to fighters who do this full time and support their families by fighting, that is a godsend. The opportunities that exist for fighters today simply would not have been possible without Dana White.

As a businessman he is extremely savvy. He is building a business and a brand, first and foremost, and he is concerned about the sport second. Fans need to remember this when discussing Dana and his contributions to the sport...he is a businessman first.

My only problem with the man is his complete lack of willingness to co-promote, cross-promote, share fighters, or engage in any other practice which might lend credibility/market share to a competing organization. But think about what I just said...as a businessman, why would he?

[CJMaxey]

I love watching the UFC. Although I don't buy the ppv matches, maybe if there was other's to watch it with. However I don't miss a Spike Tv broadcast of it.

[papasmurf]

I love watching the UFC. Although I don't buy the ppv matches, maybe if there was other's to watch it with. However I don't miss a Spike Tv broadcast of it.



I often wish the same thing most of my friends do not like to watch UFC events and it drives me crazy having to shell out so much money every month to watch the fights but what the heck we spend so much money on shaving why not spend some money on other things we enjoy as well

[CJMaxey]

I often wish the same thing most of my friends do not like to watch UFC events and it drives me crazy having to shell out so much money every month to watch the fights but what the heck we spend so much money on shaving why not spend some money on other things we enjoy as well

That's true. Also though, I figure with my luck, if I bought the $50 ppv, the main event I wanted to watch would be a quick k.o. or a boring fight. Last ufc I bought was...I think it was Silvia and Arvloski (sp?) and all they did was run around the octagon for 3 or 5 rounds.

[papasmurf]

That's true. Also though, I figure with my luck, if I bought the $50 ppv, the main event I wanted to watch would be a quick k.o. or a boring fight. Last ufc I bought was...I think it was Silvia and Arvloski (sp?) and all they did was run around the octagon for 3 or 5 rounds.



That was one of the most boring fights for me as well . not because nobody got knocked out but only because all they did was run around in circles it was like the were playing ring around the Rosie or some thing .

plus I would be with the majority of UFC fans I hate Silvia :biggrin:

I was hoping for Arlowski to take care of him the way that Couture did .

It was a very disappointing fight

[CJMaxey]

That was one of the most boring fights for me as well . not because nobody got knocked out but only because all they did was run around in circles it was like the were playing ring around the Rosie or some thing .

plus I would be with the majority of UFC fans I hate Silvia :biggrin:

I was hoping for Arlowski to take care of him the way that Couture did .

It was a very disappointing fight

+1 x 100:lol:

[Mejnoon]

I often wish the same thing most of my friends do not like to watch UFC events and it drives me crazy having to shell out so much money every month to watch the fights but what the heck we spend so much money on shaving why not spend some money on other things we enjoy as well

A lot of bars are airing UFC PPV's these days.

[papasmurf]

A lot of bars are airing UFC PPV's these days.



Not many in NY

I do not know how it is in other states but in NY for a bar to order any PPV event they have to pay depending on the seating of the place not a set price of $50 bucks . then the bar charges you accordingly to get in so you can watch or they will make an event .

I am sure some place in NY shows it .but for the most part the places I have seen wants you to pay $20 as a cover charge plus a 2 drink minimum I rather just order it at home and pay the same amount of money and not be in a crowded bar

[denissawyer]

Im the same way locally a Boston Pizza has a similar system 15 bucks gets you in the door with a free beer but its packed and is really an uncomfortable setting. I would rather pay 40 watch it at home with friends on my new big screen plasma.

[Mejnoon]

Not many in NY

I do not know how it is in other states but in NY for a bar to order any PPV event they have to pay depending on the seating of the place not a set price of $50 bucks . then the bar charges you accordingly to get in so you can watch or they will make an event .

I am sure some place in NY shows it .but for the most part the places I have seen wants you to pay $20 as a cover charge plus a 2 drink minimum I rather just order it at home and pay the same amount of money and not be in a crowded bar

It is the same everywhere. I know a couple of bar owners that order it here...I remember Liddell/Silva, one guy paid ~$1k and the other paid ~$4k. The guy that paid $4k runs the busiest spot in town currently.

I've never been charged a cover, but there is usually the 2 drink limit.

[denissawyer]

a drink limit? thats weird well for Canadian standards anyways. hahaha

[papasmurf]

I am in no way saying I mind having to have a couple of drinks . but if going to a bar to watch the event would cost me $50 I much rather spend the same money and watch it at home on my couch and not worry about looking for parking being stepped on by every Tom Dick and Harry in the joint . and having to move my way through a crowd . I much rather watch the event as god intended laying down on my couch in my underwear with my wife sitting right there next to me .


Nick

[Mejnoon]

I am in no way saying I mind having to have a couple of drinks . but if going to a bar to watch the event would cost me $50 I much rather spend the same money and watch it at home on my couch and not worry about looking for parking being stepped on by every Tom Dick and Harry in the joint . and having to move my way through a crowd . I much rather watch the event as god intended laying down on my couch in my underwear with my wife sitting right there next to me .


Nick


I'm with you on that. Plus usually by the time the main event rolls around every meathead in the joint is a few drinks deep, keyed up from watching fights, and acting stupid...

[papasmurf]

I'm with you on that. Plus usually by the time the main event rolls around every meathead in the joint is a few drinks deep, keyed up from watching fights, and acting stupid...



One of my favorite things to see are those meatheads that watch the fight and then think they know how to all the stuff that they saw .

Some times I do that with my wife I grab her and go to do an Arm bar on her . She is good at escaping all she needs to do is grab my you know whats and squeeze I usually stop what ever it is I am doing at that time and start tapping :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Mejnoon]

One of my favorite things to see are those meatheads that watch the fight and then think they know how to all the stuff that they saw .

Some times I do that with my wife I grab her and go to do an Arm bar on her . She is good at escaping all she needs to do is grab my you know whats and squeeze I usually stop what ever it is I am doing at that time and start tapping :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Its even better when the meatheads come in to train. Tapping out a dude thats got 100lbs on you is always fun, you can almost feel their ego deflating:biggrin:

[analog_kid]

One of my favorite things to see are those meatheads that watch the fight and then think they know how to all the stuff that they saw .

Some times I do that with my wife I grab her and go to do an Arm bar on her . She is good at escaping all she needs to do is grab my you know whats and squeeze I usually stop what ever it is I am doing at that time and start tapping :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


You know, I think Chris Wilson was trying to work that technique a few times in his fight last night.

I watched the fights at a buddies house with a few other guys(and girls :confused:)which is the way to do it. I thought the card was excellent. I was a little bummed they didn't show the Arlovski fight however has it didn't appear to be a snore fest.

[papasmurf]

I have seen the Hendo vs Silva fight I have the rest recorded just have not watched it yet .



I must say I was pretty disappointed . Hendo did a pretty good job on the first round . but of course he got caught with one of those Spider knees and that was the beginning of the end . Cant say I am surprised at the out come but I was really expecting a more fast paced fight .

I was actually surprised by Silvas comments after the fight saying he thought that Franklin has been one of his toughest opponents in the UFC .


I only have one question for you guys .

Who do you think is going to take the gold away from him .

many fighters do not want to fight him . as a fan I have to say I can not blame them at all he has taken down some really incredible fighters including "Ace" two times .

I do not see any one in the UFC right now that can take him down as of yet .

I do wonder if Hughes is still thinking of changing divisions to fight him . I remember reading that he wanted to fight Silva after Franklin's second loss and he was considering jumping up to 185 . I really dont think Hughes would do much . but catch loads of knees going for the take down . But I think it would make for a very interesting fight .

[VR6ofpain]

I like UFC, but I prefer WEC. The fights seem more entertaining (in general).

[ouch]

She is good at escaping all she needs to do is grab my you know whats and squeeze I usually stop what ever it is I am doing at that time and start tapping :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

If you didn't already have a killer custom title............


"tapped out to a girl" would be decent. :lol:

[Mejnoon]

Who would beat Silva? I think Filho and Lindland have the best chances. And neither are currently on the UFC roster.:mad3:

[papasmurf]

If you didn't already have a killer custom title............


"tapped out to a girl" would be decent. :lol:




SHAZAAM

[Ltltony]

Some times I do that with my wife I grab her and go to do an Arm bar on her . She is good at escaping all she needs to do is grab my you know whats and squeeze I usually stop what ever it is I am doing at that time and start tapping :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Hmmm they don't teach that move at my gym... :eek:

[papasmurf]

Hmmm they don't teach that move at my gym... :eek:



I wonder why :lol::lol::lol::lol:

[analog_kid]

Who can beat Silva? That is a good question. GSP at 185 would be very interesting, but I would still give the advantage to Silva. Anderson isn't a big 185, he could really move up to 205, but he might lose a bit of the magic(like pulling monster front kicks out of nowhere).

[denissawyer]

Who can beat Silva? That is a good question. GSP at 185 would be very interesting, but I would still give the advantage to Silva. Anderson isn't a big 185, he could really move up to 205, but he might lose a bit of the magic(like pulling monster front kicks out of nowhere).

Especially after beating Henderson, who knows, I really hope the UFC bolsters its heavyweight roster to include maybe for a 3 fight contract Fedor among others etc...

[Mejnoon]

Especially after beating Henderson, who knows, I really hope the UFC bolsters its heavyweight roster to include maybe for a 3 fight contract Fedor among others etc...

I'm tellin you, PAULO FILHO. Dana doesn't want this to happen yet though, thats why he sent Filho to the WEC. Thats like sending A-rod to play AAA. If Silva leaves an arm hanging out for even a second, Filho will take it. He's got the best shot IMHO.

[papasmurf]

I'm tellin you, PAULO FILHO. Dana doesn't want this to happen yet though, thats why he sent Filho to the WEC. Thats like sending A-rod to play AAA. If Silva leaves an arm hanging out for even a second, Filho will take it. He's got the best shot IMHO.

PAULO FILHO VS The Spider would be an awesome match .

I dont even want to get my hopes up about this one

[analog_kid]

Especially after beating Henderson, who knows, I really hope the UFC bolsters its heavyweight roster to include maybe for a 3 fight contract Fedor among others etc...



Not going to happen. Dana White made a lot of really unprofessional comments(and asinine imo)about Fedor because he wouldn't sign with the UFC. Dana commented on how Fedor's record is supposedly fluffed(coming from a guy who claims to have been a pro boxer, yet no evidence of this has ever been found)and that Dana doesn't consider Fedor to be even one of the top 5 heavyweights in the world(this is just absurd). I don't think the two are going to be at each other's houses for Sunday dinner. As for Fedor not signing the contract, it's very apparent with the recent events concerning Couture, Ortiz, and Arlovski, that the UFC is very explicit about competing outside of the UFC. Fedor is very adamant about competing in the Sambo tournaments in Russia, and most seem to think this is where a lot of the problems arose. That and I've heard that the amount of money they offered Fedor was a slap in the face.

That all being said, who is there for Fedor to fight in the UFC? Beat Nog for the 4th time?(I know the second meeting was a NC, but that changes little imo)

[VR6ofpain]

I'm tellin you, PAULO FILHO. Dana doesn't want this to happen yet though, thats why he sent Filho to the WEC. Thats like sending A-rod to play AAA. If Silva leaves an arm hanging out for even a second, Filho will take it. He's got the best shot IMHO.

Didn't you see Chael Sonnen totally own Filho a couple months back? Filho can't compete, Silva would destroy him.

[Mejnoon]

Didn't you see Chael Sonnen totally own Filho a couple months back? Filho can't compete, Silva would destroy him.

Filho looked lethargic against Sonnen and got outwrestled badly, but how did that fight end? Sonnen left his arm on Paulos chest and Paulo took it. He's not the most well rounded, by any stretch of the imagination. He's a horrible striker. His wrestling is good, but not elite. But if you make even the slightest mistake against him he'll break a limb or put you to sleep. He's a devastatingly effective submission fighter, and if given the opportunity, he WILL catch you. His submission game is the equivalent of Silva's striking game in that regard.

And its not like Silva hasn't been caught in the past, by much lesser grapplers than Filho.

[VR6ofpain]

I think Sonnen will take Filho in the scheduled rematch.

Now a fight I am waiting for is Faber vs. Pulver. That will be interesting.

[papasmurf]

I think Sonnen will take Filho in the scheduled rematch.

Now a fight I am waiting for is Faber vs. Pulver. That will be interesting.

didnt BJ retire him :lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Mejnoon]

I think Sonnen will take Filho in the scheduled rematch.

Now a fight I am waiting for is Faber vs. Pulver. That will be interesting.

Faber is gonna destroy him.

[analog_kid]

Faber is gonna destroy him.


QFT. Pulver doesn't have the slightest of chances imo.

[Ltltony]

QFT. Pulver doesn't have the slightest of chances imo.

I think Pulver is a joke now.

[desmoface]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tztMAxEg81w

Granted Silva was dominating up till this point.


And its not like Silva hasn't been caught in the past, by much lesser grapplers than Filho.

Steve

[analog_kid]

Granted Silva was dominating up till this point.



Steve


I remember I about crapped my pants the first time I saw that. He took a HUGE chance with a flying anything attempt on Anderson, but it certainly paid off. Beautiful.

[Mejnoon]

QFT. Pulver doesn't have the slightest of chances imo.

Urijah is ridiculous at 145...I wanna see him fight Kid Yamamoto, short of that, I'm not even really interested.

[Mejnoon]

Granted Silva was dominating up till this point.



Steve

Such a great fight, and an even greater finish:biggrin: Chonan is a warrior. Its not just him though...Silva got triangled by Takase a few fights before that.

[Ltltony]

I think this is the craziest fight or at least the craziest arm bar I have ever seen.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3242068904856523014

[Mejnoon]

I think this is the craziest fight or at least the craziest arm bar I have ever seen.



Big Nog has taken so many brutal beatings...Sapp, Crocop, Fedor, etc...poor guy's granite chin is his worst enemy. Word is he has serious issues with his eyesight these days and is nearly blind in one eye. That was a great fight, and an amazing triumph by Nogueira, but it makes me somewhat sad to watch it.

[Ltltony]

Word is he has serious issues with his eyesight these days and is nearly blind in one eye.

That's kind of depressing.

[analog_kid]

That's kind of depressing.


I love big Nog, but watching him fight as of late is similar to watching Sakuraba, I cringe and hope he doesn't get killed in there. :eek:

[VR6ofpain]

Faber is gonna destroy him.
I think Pulver may be the last person in that weight class that Faber will need to destroy. After that he may as well move up a weight class, because he will simply have no equal.

[VR6ofpain]

Yahoo article (http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=dd-mmarankings030608&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

[desmoface]

I'm sure Fedor isn't rated higher because of the organization he's fighting with, but I don't think anyone will argue that he's the best fighter in the world, period.

Steve

[Mejnoon]

I think Pulver may be the last person in that weight class that Faber will need to destroy. After that he may as well move up a weight class, because he will simply have no equal.

Kid Yamamoto. Until he fights Kid, he will not be undisputed at 145. And I don't think he wants any part of 155...he's a TINY dude, I think he walks around right around 150, and he's maybe 5'5" (I'm 5'9" and I felt like I towered over him). Rumor is he was offered a rematch with Tyson Griffin repeatedly at 155 and he turned it down. With guys like JZ Calvancante walkin around at 180lbs and fighting 155, Urijah is just too small.

[desmoface]

I'd pay to see kid vs faber.

Steve

[Soto]

I enjoy watching mma. I also get tickets often since I know people in the industry. Same with the sweet science, I was able to attend the pavlik taylor fight and press confrence as I will the marquez pacquiao fight.

[Mejnoon]

I enjoy watching mma. I also get tickets often since I know people in the industry. Same with the sweet science, I was able to attend the pavlik taylor fight and press confrence as I will the marquez pacquiao fight.

Both Pavlik/Taylor fights were excellent, and I expect Marquez/Pacquiao will be too. I love Manny...I wish my hands were half as fast as his. People keep saying boxing is on the decline, etc etc, but there are still a lot of good fights being made.

Oh, and Karelin is the bomb:biggrin:

[VR6ofpain]

Kid Yamamoto. Until he fights Kid, he will not be undisputed at 145. And I don't think he wants any part of 155...he's a TINY dude, I think he walks around right around 150, and he's maybe 5'5" (I'm 5'9" and I felt like I towered over him). Rumor is he was offered a rematch with Tyson Griffin repeatedly at 155 and he turned it down. With guys like JZ Calvancante walkin around at 180lbs and fighting 155, Urijah is just too small.
I agree about his weight. I think he likes being a "big shot". He knows he would be in a whole new situation if he moved up a weight class. Still for 145, that guy is huge...if that makes any sense. :biggrin:

[Mejnoon]

I agree about his weight. I think he likes being a "big shot". He knows he would be in a whole new situation if he moved up a weight class. Still for 145, that guy is huge...if that makes any sense. :biggrin:

Makes complete sense:wink: The funny thing is he doesn't cut that much. Like I said he walks around in the low 150's. The guy is just naturally lean and muscular...that and he trains hard constantly (as opposed to ramping it up for a few months prior to a fight as many fighters do).

155 is such a highly competitive weight class these days that guys are really pushing the envelope in terms of bulking and still being able to make weight. JZ is one drastic example...Joe Stevenson is another...Melvin Guillard...you get the idea. These dudes are HUGE...they weigh no where near 155 when they actually fight. Guys like Nate Diaz can have all the skills and heart in the world (and Nate does), but he's at a serious disadvantage fighting the bigger guys in his weight class.

[neli]

my first UFC was UFC 5
I was a young man back than haha

[jadam318]

Another MMA fan here. My two favorite fighters are fighting in the next UFC: Chuck Lidell and Anderson Silva. Silva is the best technical fighter I've ever seen. He's flawless, and Lidell is just explosive. Both are so much fun to watch.

[6thRound]

I'm a huge, huge fan and also run a fairly prominent MMA news/opinion/results site at http://www.6th-Round.com

Great to see so many other fans on here. The sports's seriously taking off as of late and is headed to great things.

Fight Night 18 last night was great, and I went a perfect 11-0 in my picks.

[The Nid Hog]

Just noticed this thread. I'm a big MMA fan too. I made the transition from Pride to UFC without losing my self-respect, but I'll watch anything. Getting HDNet was the best investment I've made in a long time. With more sanctioned events in my state, I'm looking forward to catching some local fights this summer.

[6thRound]

Just noticed this thread. I'm a big MMA fan too. I made the transition from Pride to UFC without losing my self-respect, but I'll watch anything. Getting HDNet was the best investment I've made in a long time. With more sanctioned events in my state, I'm looking forward to catching some local fights this summer.

Great to hear you'll attend local events. Those up and coming fighters really need the support, and plug we get to see great bouts for a cheap price :)

I really wish Comcast would offer HDNet for me. I need to call them again and bug 'em...

[SRock]

I'll revive this thread. It seems we have many MMA fans that got a little lost in the thread shuffle.