Linux Mint

[Lynchmeister]

sniffle.

But, seriously welcome. Always rewarding to watch the "kids" grow up.



yeah. I avoid the ol' tarball as much as possible myself. but, it's a good exercise in blood pressure control.

you might try a normal google search for handbrake.deb (or whatever it's called ending in .deb) and see if someone may have built a package for you. then it's just a matter of :

sudo dpkg --install handbrake.deb<--gonna try this



OT, sorta, but how did you make out with the LXF mags?<--Still working on that Mandriva install, but loving the mags!

:tongue_sm

[RichGem]

Cory...

try here (http://handbrake.fr/?article=download) and scroll down to the linux (penguin) section. pre-built debs to be found.

[RichGem]

Question. I downloaded the tarball, extracted it in /usr/local/src, and now want to run the configure script, so I did this:


./configureand was met with


bash: ./configure: No such file or directoryI double checked and the configure file is in fact there...thoughts? Can I run the script through the GUI?

not sure what happened there... must've been a typo or something.

and btw, there's nothing magical about /usr/local/src you can do all this work in a sub-folder of your home directory if you wish. the only time the system gets picky is if you build your own packages, which you're not doing. Otherwise, it's just custom/tradition and can be a pain to navigate to.

[RichGem]

Question. I downloaded the tarball, extracted it in /usr/local/src, and now want to run the configure script, so I did this:


./configureand was met with


bash: ./configure: No such file or directoryI double checked and the configure file is in fact there...thoughts? Can I run the script through the GUI?

just had a longshot thougt... could be "configure" wasnt executable. try a "sudo chown +x configure" and then do the ./configure

[soapbox]

sniffle.

But, seriously welcome. Always rewarding to watch the "kids" grow up.



:biggrin: Awesome.

[Lynchmeister]

just had a longshot thougt... could be "configure" wasnt executable. try a "sudo chown +x configure" and then do the ./configure


daisy@daisy-desktop:~$ sudo chown +x configure
chown: `+x': invalid user

*wife's computer, Daisy is our Cat...:001_rolle

[Lynchmeister]

Cory...

try here (http://handbrake.fr/?article=download) and scroll down to the linux (penguin) section. pre-built debs to be found.

I actually did download this, but...apparently I have no :censored: clue what to do with it. :biggrin:

[RichGem]

daisy@daisy-desktop:~$ sudo chown +x configure
chown: `+x': invalid user*wife's computer, Daisy is our Cat...:001_rolle

MY MISTAKE... chown should be chmod

:blush: :blush: :blush:

In admission of my guilt I won't harass you about THE CAT having an account on "your wife's" computer.

[Lynchmeister]

Side Note: I'll tell you guys what, ever since I did a fresh install and ditched KDE, this machine (desktop) has been screamin'!

[Lynchmeister]

MY MISTAKE... chown should be chmod

:blush: :blush: :blush:

In admission of my guilt I won't harass you about THE CAT having an account on "your wife's" computer.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[RichGem]

I actually did download this, but...apparently I have no :censored: clue what to do with it. :biggrin:

sudo dpkg --install (file name here)

[Lynchmeister]

MY MISTAKE... chown should be chmod

:blush: :blush: :blush:

In admission of my guilt I won't harass you about THE CAT having an account on "your wife's" computer.


daisy@daisy-desktop:~$ sudo chmod +x configure
chmod: cannot access `configure': No such file or directory

[Lynchmeister]

sudo dpkg --install (file name here)

Oooh! This sounds promising...

[RichGem]

daisy@daisy-desktop:~$ sudo chmod +x configure
chmod: cannot access `configure': No such file or directory

well now we'er getting somewhere. according to bash, "configure" ain't there.

so... are you in the directory where configure is?

(ps... having flash backs tto the halcyon days of 5k linux posts ago... ah the memories)

[Lynchmeister]

Oooh! This sounds promising...


daisy@daisy-desktop:~$ sudo dpkg --install HandBrake-0.9.3-Ubuntu_GUI_i386.deb
dpkg: error processing HandBrake-0.9.3-Ubuntu_GUI_i386.deb (--install):
cannot access archive: No such file or directory
Errors were encountered while processing:
HandBrake-0.9.3-Ubuntu_GUI_i386.deb

[Lynchmeister]

well now we'er getting somewhere. according to bash, "configure" ain't there.

so... are you in the directory where configure is?

(ps... having flash backs tto the halcyon days of 5k linux posts ago... ah the memories)


...oops. :blushing: I'll get back to you...:whistling:

[Lynchmeister]

...oops. :blushing: I'll get back to you...:whistling:


daisy@daisy-desktop:~$ cd /usr/local/src
daisy@daisy-desktop:/usr/local/src$ sudo chmod +x configurechmod: cannot access `configure': No such file or directory
daisy@daisy-desktop:/usr/local/src$

[RichGem]

daisy@daisy-desktop:~$ sudo dpkg --install HandBrake-0.9.3-Ubuntu_GUI_i386.deb
dpkg: error processing HandBrake-0.9.3-Ubuntu_GUI_i386.deb (--install):
cannot access archive: No such file or directory
Errors were encountered while processing:
HandBrake-0.9.3-Ubuntu_GUI_i386.deb


same answer different file... you gotta be in the directory where the deb is for this to work or specify the path...

sudo dpkg --install /directory/directoty/handbrake.deb (for ex)

[Lynchmeister]

same answer different file... you gotta be in the directory where the deb is for this to work or specify the path...

sudo dpkg --install /directory/directoty/handbrake.deb (for ex)

Ah ha!

[Lynchmeister]

same answer different file... you gotta be in the directory where the deb is for this to work or specify the path...

sudo dpkg --install /directory/directoty/handbrake.deb (for ex)

I'm starting to think this is all a sick joke. :tongue:


daisy@daisy-desktop:/usr/local/src$ sudo dpkg --install HandBrake-0.9.3-Ubuntu_GUI_i386.deb
dpkg: error processing HandBrake-0.9.3-Ubuntu_GUI_i386.deb (--install):
cannot access archive: No such file or directory
Errors were encountered while processing:
HandBrake-0.9.3-Ubuntu_GUI_i386.deb
daisy@daisy-desktop:/usr/local/src$


...and for what it's worth...I submit, Exhibit B, your honor.

[RichGem]

hmmm.. I think this is a sick joke too. <sigh>

ok.... obviously bash isn't finding the file. I can't see the pic too well as I'm on my eeePC... but I'll assume it's evidence of the file being there.

so... that leaves one conclusion... are you spelling/capitalizing the file name EXACTLY as it is in the directory?

[Lynchmeister]

...and the plot thickens...

At the Handbrake website, I downloaded the file again and this time opted to use the GDebi Package Installer option to open it. I'll be damned if it didn't work!...but...when I click the icon, it doesn't open...so...who knows.

[Lynchmeister]

RE: it being there in the GUI, but not opening...would a restart help?

[RichGem]

...and the plot thickens...

At the Handbrake website, I downloaded the file again and this time opted to use the GDebi Package Installer option to open it. I'll be damned if it didn't work!...but...when I click the icon, it doesn't open...so...who knows.

very weird. is there a way to list all the installed packages? I'm not that conversant in dpkg commands.

with rpm systems you can

rpm -qa|grep name

or just

rpm -q exact-name

[RichGem]

ah,.. google to the rescue...

do a :

dpkg -l | grep handbrake

and see what happens. and that's a lower case L after the dash.. you may need to sudo

[Lynchmeister]

ah,.. google to the rescue...

do a :

dpkg -l | grep handbrake

and see what happens. and that's a lower case L after the dash.. you may need to sudo

I tried both with and without "sudo" for good measure. Seems like both worked.


You will not be elected to public office this year.
daisy@daisy-desktop:~$ dpkg -l | grep handbrake
ii handbrake 0.9.3-1 A program to rip and encode DVDs and other sources to
daisy@daisy-desktop:~$ sudo dpkg -l | grep handbrake
[sudo] password for daisy:
ii handbrake 0.9.3-1 A program to rip and encode DVDs and other sources to
daisy@daisy-desktop:~$ EDIT: LOOK AT THE FORTUNE! :eek:!!!!!

EDIT:EDIT: It doesn't say anything about hostile takeovers, though...:lol:

[RichGem]

I tried both with and without "sudo" for good measure. Seems like both worked.


You will not be elected to public office this year.
daisy@daisy-desktop:~$ dpkg -l | grep handbrake
ii handbrake 0.9.3-1 A program to rip and encode DVDs and other sources to
daisy@daisy-desktop:~$ sudo dpkg -l | grep handbrake
[sudo] password for daisy:
ii handbrake 0.9.3-1 A program to rip and encode DVDs and other sources to
daisy@daisy-desktop:~$ EDIT: LOOK AT THE FORTUNE! :eek:!!!!!

EDIT:EDIT: It doesn't say anything about hostile takeovers, though...:lol:

well.. the fortune if obviously wrong. we have been elected and just need to take office.
(yeah, funny fortune tho. :lol:)

at to the output...
it's showing that handbrake is, in fact installed. so if the icon won't work, try launching from the command line

just enter "handbrake" , cross fingers, hit enter, and pray. again, may need to sudo.

[Lynchmeister]

well.. the fortune if obviously wrong. we have been elected and just need to take office.
(yeah, funny fortune tho. :lol:)

at to the output...
it's showing that handbrake is, in fact installed. so if the icon won't work, try launching from the command line

just enter "handbrake" , cross fingers, hit enter, and pray. again, may need to sudo.

Looks like I didn't pray hard enough.


daisy@daisy-desktop:~$ handbrake
bash: handbrake: command not found
daisy@daisy-desktop:~$ sudo handbrake
sudo: handbrake: command not found
daisy@daisy-desktop:~$ HandBrake
bash: HandBrake: command not found
daisy@daisy-desktop:~$ Handbrake
bash: Handbrake: command not found
daisy@daisy-desktop:~$ sudo HandBrake
sudo: HandBrake: command not found
daisy@daisy-desktop:~$ sudo Handbrake
sudo: Handbrake: command not found
daisy@daisy-desktop:~$

[RichGem]

now if this dosn't work:

sudo dpkg --configure handbrake

then

try to run itt as aove.

[RichGem]

Looks like I didn't pray hard enough.


daisy@daisy-desktop:~$ handbrake
bash: handbrake: command not found
daisy@daisy-desktop:~$ sudo handbrake
sudo: handbrake: command not found
daisy@daisy-desktop:~$ HandBrake
bash: HandBrake: command not found
daisy@daisy-desktop:~$ Handbrake
bash: Handbrake: command not found
daisy@daisy-desktop:~$ sudo HandBrake
sudo: HandBrake: command not found
daisy@daisy-desktop:~$ sudo Handbrake
sudo: Handbrake: command not found
daisy@daisy-desktop:~$


:censored: :censored: :censored:

try the configure bit

[Lynchmeister]

daisy@daisy-desktop:~$ sudo dpkg --configure handbrake
dpkg: error processing handbrake (--configure):
package handbrake is already installed and configured
Errors were encountered while processing:
handbrake
daisy@daisy-desktop:~$ handbrake
bash: handbrake: command not found
daisy@daisy-desktop:~$ sudo handbrake
sudo: handbrake: command not found
daisy@daisy-desktop:~$

[Lynchmeister]

I think these guys (:censored:) are going to be getting quite a workout tonight...I've already warmed them up a lot bit.

:rolleyes:

[RichGem]

daisy@daisy-desktop:~$ sudo dpkg --configure handbrake
dpkg: error processing handbrake (--configure):
package handbrake is already installed and configured
Errors were encountered while processing:
handbrake
daisy@daisy-desktop:~$ handbrake
bash: handbrake: command not found
daisy@daisy-desktop:~$ sudo handbrake
sudo: handbrake: command not found
daisy@daisy-desktop:~$




ok. last ditch effort here... ie the computer equivalent of hitting it with a large hammer.

1. in terminal switch to true root: su - (enter ROOT password)
2. then try to run handbrake (enter "handbrake")

if this doesn't work.... just how attached are you to daisy (either the cat or the computer)? Pick one and throw through window.

(the su command above is: "su" followed by a dash)

[Lynchmeister]

Gonna break for some food and another drink.

Operators are standing by!

[Lynchmeister]

ok. last ditch effort here... ie the computer equivalent of hitting it with a large hammer.

1. in terminal switch to true root: su - (enter ROOT password)
2. then try to run handbrake (enter "handbrake")

if this doesn't work.... just how attached are you to daisy (either the cat or the computer)? Pick one and throw through window.

The food and booze can wait for this one...sounds like fun. :lol:

Edit: either I've got the syntax wrong, or I don't know the root PW...I'm assuming it's the only PW on the box since during install it only asks for one.

[RichGem]

Gonna break for some food and another drink.

Operators are standing by!


NO FAIR... I'm doing this without food and especially without booze! dag nab it!

but hey.. thanks for pushing me past 4900 posts... 5k ... here I come!

[Lynchmeister]

NO FAIR... I'm doing this without food and especially without booze! dag nab it!

but hey.. thanks for pushing me past 4900 posts... 5k ... here I come!

Yeah, but you get to SMOKE CIGARS IN YOUR HOUSE. That, my friend, is not fair. :biggrin:

[RichGem]

Yeah, but you get to SMOKE CIGARS IN YOUR HOUSE. That, my friend, is not fair. :biggrin:

Yes, well, um, ahem, we all must sacrifice. :wink:

[Lynchmeister]

So, to be clear to become root, it's


su -password
?

[RichGem]

So, to be clear to become root, it's


su -password?

no, sorry, wasn't clear

enter "su -"
then, the system will prompt you with "password:"
at that prompt, you enter the ROOT password and hit enter

[Lynchmeister]

I figured it out...

su

<enter>

(password)

<enter>

Despite this, it's still saying "su: Authentication failure. Sorry."

[Lynchmeister]

Well, tell ya what. I'm gonna reboot, grab that snack and drink, and try to lauch from the GUI again. Back in a few.

[RichGem]

I figured it out...

su

<enter>

(password)

<enter>

Despite this, it's still saying "su: Authentication failure. Sorry."

the password it wants is the root password that you created at installation, not the password associated with user "daisy"

[Lynchmeister]

the password it wants is the root password that you created at installation, not the password associated with user "daisy"

I never created such a password as it recommended not to. :frown:

[RichGem]

I never created such a password as it recommended not to. :frown:

crud. one reason I hate ubuntu.

ok, this can be fixed and it's easy, but I'm past tired now and it may or may not help the situation anyhow.

here's my reasoning and feel free to experiment... we can pick up tomorrow if you get nowhere.

1. we know handbrake is installed and configured yet it wont run
2. so this most likely means that you don't have sufficient perrmission
3. sudo usually takes care of #2, but not with all commands. sometimes you gotta be true root tho that is a rare situation.
4. being true root should not apply to handbrake, but maybe it does.

so, if you feel like burning the candle, go google how to activate the root user in ubuntu and play from there. be careful (just don't use the rm command and you should be ok). if you go this route, become true root and try to run handbrake. if it doesn't work, i'm outta ideas.

good luck

[Lynchmeister]

crud. one reason I hate ubuntu.

ok, this can be fixed and it's easy, but I'm past tired now and it may or may not help the situation anyhow.

here's my reasoning and feel free to experiment... we can pick up tomorrow if you get nowhere.

1. we know handbrake is installed and configured yet it wont run
2. so this most likely means that you don't have sufficient perrmission
3. sudo usually takes care of #2, but not with all commands. sometimes you gotta be true root tho that is a rare situation.
4. being true root should not apply to handbrake, but maybe it does.

so, if you feel like burning the candle, go google how to activate the root user in ubuntu and play from there. be careful (just don't use the rm command and you should be ok). if you go this route, become true root and try to run handbrake. if it doesn't work, i'm outta ideas.

good luck

Thanks for the tips. I'm also going to opt for the "pick it up tomorrow" option, though.

Until then...

[gugi]

well.. the fortune if obviously wrong. we have been elected and just need to take office.
(yeah, funny fortune tho. :lol:)

i think the lack of booze is badly affecting your thinking process rich

you were elected last year, so it is likely that you won't be elected this year and the cookie will be right.

as far as handbrake goes, i guess it's easiest to just try it...

well gdebi didn't say anything on the first attempt, but i only saw the cli binary installed, so i thought they may have messed up links. click again and this time gdebi tells me there's unresolvable dependency libgtk2.0-0
Well i'm running 8.04 and the binary was for 8.10 so i guess it caught with me trying to abuse it.
dpkg -L handbrake
will list all the files that the package installed.


gugi:~$ apt-cache policy handbrake
handbrake:
Installed: 0.9.3-1
Candidate: 0.9.3-1
Version table:
*** 0.9.3-1 0
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
gugi:~$ dpkg -L !$
dpkg -L handbrake
/.
/usr
/usr/sbin
/usr/share
/usr/share/applications
/usr/share/applications/ghb.desktop
...
...
/usr/bin/HandBrakeCLI
/usr/bin/ghb
gugi:~$ HandBrakeCLI
Missing input device. Run HandBrakeCLI --help for syntax.
gugi:~$ ghb
ghb: error while loading shared libraries: libxcb-render-util.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

[Lynchmeister]

i think the lack of booze is badly affecting your thinking process rich

you were elected last year, so it is likely that you won't be elected this year and the cookie will be right.

as far as handbrake goes, i guess it's easiest to just try it...

well gdebi didn't say anything on the first attempt, but i only saw the cli binary installed, so i thought they may have messed up links. click again and this time gdebi tells me there's unresolvable dependency libgtk2.0-0
Well i'm running 8.04 and the binary was for 8.10 so i guess it caught with me trying to abuse it.
dpkg -L handbrake
will list all the files that the package installed.


gugi:~$ apt-cache policy handbrake
handbrake:
Installed: 0.9.3-1
Candidate: 0.9.3-1
Version table:
*** 0.9.3-1 0
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
gugi:~$ dpkg -L !$
dpkg -L handbrake
/.
/usr
/usr/sbin
/usr/share
/usr/share/applications
/usr/share/applications/ghb.desktop
...
...
/usr/bin/HandBrakeCLI
/usr/bin/ghb
gugi:~$ HandBrakeCLI
Missing input device. Run HandBrakeCLI --help for syntax.
gugi:~$ ghb
ghb: error while loading shared libraries: libxcb-render-util.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory


I think this may be a large part of my problem as well...I'm running Mint, which as I understand it, uses the Ubuntu kernel, so I may be able to get away with it if I'm using the 8.10 equivalent, but...I'm not. I'm running Mint 4.0 on that particular PC because 5.0 won't play nice...If I'm remembering correctly, Mint 4 ~ Ubuntu 7.10...

Still working on getting a workable LiveCD of Mint 6. The first one I burned had boot errors, so I'm going to try a different source and reburn.

Also, I have found a Handbrake substitute, however, it doesn't encode into mp4...I'm left with .vob files. Anyone know of a free (as in "I don't have to deal with some silly 30 day, unregistered trial before forking out $30 for a registered version) .vob to.mp4 converter? Preferably .nix compatible, but XP will work as well.

Thanks!

[New2DEShaving_Montreal]

I just went and got Linux Mint Live CD. So far so good. It plays my Movies and Music and let's me edit documents. The Open Office software actually looks a heck of a lot better and featured packed than Microsoft Word 2003 which is what I still use.

I have another couple of distros, the Linux community has been no help. I have to tell you that so far I've met people who EXPECT you to know what you are doing when it comes to their distros. This is why I have not made the switch completely from Windows to Linux.

Here's my problem.

1) I don't want to install it just yet. But I would like to be able to save my settings, and use them with the live CD. Is this possible?

2) How do you run programs downloaded on to USB without installing them? (I have made Opera work under terminal in Sabayon, but could not do the same with Linux Mint using the same exact method, in terminal.)

[Lynchmeister]

I just went and got Linux Mint Live CD. So far so good. It plays my Movies and Music and let's me edit documents. The Open Office software actually looks a heck of a lot better and featured packed than Microsoft Word 2003 which is what I still use.

I have another couple of distros, the Linux community has been no help. I have to tell you that so far I've met people who EXPECT you to know what you are doing when it comes to their distros. This is why I have not made the switch completely from Windows to Linux.

Here's my problem.

1) I don't want to install it just yet. But I would like to be able to save my settings, and use them with the live CD. Is this possible?

2) How do you run programs downloaded on to USB without installing them? (I have made Opera work under terminal in Sabayon, but could not do the same with Linux Mint using the same exact method, in terminal.)

First off, really excited that you're enjoying Mint. I think it's a really great distro to get your feet wet with.

As far as saving to a LiveCD, I'm not sure that is possible...I could definitely be wrong, though! Next up, running those programs from the USB device. My initial thought was that the commands you used for Sabayon aren't working because Mint is Debian based and (I'm guessing) Sabayon is not.

Sorry that I don't have any solutions for you, but hopefully it will help in the long run.

[RichGem]

First off, really excited that you're enjoying Mint. I think it's a really great distro to get your feet wet with.

As far as saving to a LiveCD, I'm not sure that is possible...I could definitely be wrong, though! Next up, running those programs from the USB device. My initial thought was that the commands you used for Sabayon aren't working because Mint is Debian based and (I'm guessing) Sabayon is not.

Sorry that I don't have any solutions for you, but hopefully it will help in the long run.

Nope, can't save to a LiveCD which is (part of) the whole point. However, some live distros do allow you to save work, add ons, etc. to a flash drive and resurrect from there. DSL (damn small linux) comes to mind, I'm sure there are others.

[Lynchmeister]

Also, I have found a Handbrake substitute, however, it doesn't encode into mp4...I'm left with .vob files. Anyone know of a free (as in "I don't have to deal with some silly 30 day, unregistered trial before forking out $30 for a registered version) .vob to.mp4 converter? Preferably .nix compatible, but XP will work as well.

Thanks!

I may have found what I'm looking for...testing it as I type.

[RichGem]

I may have found what I'm looking for...testing it as I type.

:w00t:

(but in case it doesn't work, I need only 80 more posts for 5k :sneaky2:)

[Lynchmeister]

:w00t:

(but in case it doesn't work, I need only 80 more posts for 5k :sneaky2:) BREAK SOMETHING...NOW!

I've become well versed in reading between the lines. :lol:

[RichGem]

I've become well versed in reading between the lines. :lol:

<patting-lynch-on-the-back smiley>

[RichGem]

Gents, feel free to join "The Shaved Penguins" social group.

[Lynchmeister]

Gents, feel free to join "The Shaved Penguins" social group.

Hey Rich, just noticed your "Shaved Penguins" signature pic got nuked. Did you do that or did the upgrade wipe it out?

[RichGem]

Hey Rich, just noticed your "Shaved Penguins" signature pic got nuked. Did you do that or did the upgrade wipe it out?


Apparently the upgrade killed it (not a feature in the new software, I guess). So, I had just unread vb tags there which I ended up deleting. :sad: :crying:

[Lynchmeister]

Apparently the upgrade killed it (not a feature in the new software, I guess). So, I had just unread vb tags there which I ended up deleting. :sad: :crying:

:nonod:

[RichGem]

while I'm, uh, working, I'm also downloading both Kbuntu :tongue_sm and Mandriva-One to install on flash drives to try out on my eeePc.. Unfortunately, having gotten the 2G version, neither will install directly, but I can still boot off of flash altho, I'll most likely end up keeping the installed what-ever-it-is (totally can't remember right now).

[Confuzius]

You should check out the ubuntu netbook remix
http://www.canonical.com/projects/ubuntu/nbr

[RichGem]

You should check out the ubuntu netbook remix
http://www.canonical.com/projects/ubuntu/nbr

Will do. Thanks!

[Mr. Gillette]

Guys...I spent a wonderful almost 3 hours in Wisconsin this past weekend, enjoying the courtesy of the Czar. Lunch at Kewpie's in Racine, a trip to Farm and Fleet, and grocery shopping at Woodman's! I picked these rules and regulations up at the border. I suppose Cory made them up LINUX, by the way


If you consider it a sport to gather your food by drilling through 38 inches of ice and sitting there all day hoping that the food will swim by, you might live in Wisconsin .

If you're proud that your region makes the national news 96 nights each year because Park Falls is the coldest spot in the nation, you might live in Wisconsin .

If you have ever refused to buy something because it's "too pricey," you might live in Wisconsin .

If your local Dairy Queen is closed from November through March, you might live in Wisconsin .

If you instinctively walk like a penguin for five months out of the year, you might live in Wisconsin .
If someone in a store offers you assistance, and they don't work there, you might live in Wisconsin .

If your dad's suntan stops at a line curving around the middle of his forehead, you might live in Wisconsin .

If you may not have actually eaten it, but you have heard of Head Cheese, you might live in Wisconsin .

If you have worn shorts and a parka at the same time, you might live in Wisconsin ..

If you have either a pet or a child named "Brett," you might live in Wisconsin ..

If your town has an equal number of bars and churches, you might live in Wisconsin .

If you have had a lengthy telephone conversation with someone who dialed a wrong number, you might live in Wisconsin .

If you know how to say Oconomowoc, Waukesha , Menomonie & Manitowoc, you might live in Wisconsin .

If every time you see moonlight on a lake, you think of a dancing bear, and you sing gently, "From the land of sky-blue waters,"....you might live in Wisconsin .

YOU KNOW YOU ARE A TRUE WISCONSINITE WHEN:

1. Your idea of a traffic jam is ten cars waiting to pass a tractor on the highway.

2. "Vacation" means going up north past Hwy 8 for the weekend.

3. You measure distance in hours.

4. You know several people who have hit deer more than once.

5. You often switch from "heat" to "A/C" in the same day and back again.

6. Your whole family wears Packer Green to church on Sunday.

7. You can drive 65 mph through 2 feet of snow during a raging blizzard, without flinching.

8. You see people wearing camouflage at social events (including weddings and funerals ).

9. You install security lights on your house and garage and leave both unlocked.

10. You think of the major food groups as beer, fish, and venison.

11. You carry jumper cables in your car and your wife or girlfriend knows how to use them.

12. There are 7 empty cars running in the parking lot at Mill's Fleet Farm at any given time.

13. You design your kid's Halloween costume to fit over a snowsuit.

14. Driving is better in the winter because the potholes are filled with snow.

15. You refer to the Packers as "we."

16. You know all 4 seasons: almost winter, winter, still winter and road construction.

17. You can identify a southern or eastern accent.

18. You have no problem pronouncing Lac Du Flambeau.

19. You consider Minneapolis exotic.

20. You know how to polka.

21. Your idea of creative landscaping is a statue of a deer next to your blue spruce.

22. You were unaware that there is a legal drinking age.

23. Down South to you means Illinois .

24. A brat is something you eat.

25. Your neighbor throws a party to celebrate his new pole shed.

26. You go out to fish fry every Friday

27. Your 4th of July picnic was moved indoors due to frost.

28. You have more miles on your snow blower than your car.

29. You find minus twenty degrees "a little chilly."

[Lynchmeister]

Glad you enjoyed your stay, Tom!

...reading that list of yours made me so proud that I began to tear up a little. In fact, it's inspired a new signature.

[RichGem]

Wisconsin: A little place I like to call home. Colder than the North Pole, Hotter than Hell!



And apparently BRIGHTER than the sun. :tongue:

[Mr. Gillette]

Glad you enjoyed your stay, Tom!

...reading that list of yours made me so proud that I began to tear up a little. In fact, it's inspired a new signature.


Hey Cory...I did have a thought this weekend...seriously-- if they haven't dug your hole for your house yet...find out if they can add 2 feet to your basement. It's the time to do it...makes the basement 10 feet instead of 8...it's fairly cheap, but if you ever want to finish it, makes it easy to put an 8' ceiling in and not mess with pipes, ductwork, etc.

Just my tip.

LINUX...

Cheese.

(The Cheese curds at Woodman's were fresh made on Saturday..CRY-EYE!!!!)

[Lynchmeister]

Hey Cory...I did have a thought this weekend...seriously-- if they haven't dug your hole for your house yet...find out if they can add 2 feet to your basement. It's the time to do it...makes the basement 10 feet instead of 8...it's fairly cheap, but if you ever want to finish it, makes it easy to put an 8' ceiling in and not mess with pipes, ductwork, etc.

Just my tip.

LINUX...

Cheese.

(The Cheese curds at Woodman's were fresh made on Saturday..CRY-EYE!!!!)

Great tip, and, YES!, we actually are doing this. :smile: Originally, we were going to cantilever 2 feet out on the upper level to add space upstairs. Then we thought about it and for another $20 a square foot, we decided that it would be foolish not to just enlarge the foundation...plus 2 feet hanging off one side of the house would look weird. :tongue_sm

In addition, some other things we've opted for:

Large windows!
Heat pump. (Couldn't afford geo-thermal and these are really cool.)
High efficiency washer/dryer.
Utility sink in the garage.
Heated tile bathroom floor.
Laminate wood floors (kitchen and hallway).
3-sided breakfast bar.

I know there's more, but they just aren't coming to mind at the moment.

[OldSaw]

Hi guys,

Thanks for all the warm replies. Instead of the few minutes the doctor predicted, my sister lasted nearly 5 hours! It was very sad but also very beautiful. She talked with us for over two hours and even had a good sense of humor.

I'm not sure how much I will be around as the work that needs to be done is pretty busy and the relatives keep filling the house. We have a funeral this week and then we all head for Wisconsin and do it all over again there.

[New2DEShaving_Montreal]

Hey Cory, sorry you mis-read me. I know that you can't save anything to a Live-CD. It's a Read Only burn. What I meant was, as in Sabayon, there's a capability to save settings (Which is above and beyond me as I followed instructions to the 9 and well, it just didnt work), is there such an options where settings can be saved to my USB or some folder on a Hard drive, and upon bootup, it reads those settings so that I can work off a live CD, while keeping the settings I played around with.

As for the Terminal problem, I think you've got that right on. Sabayon is Gentoo based, while Linux Mint is Debian. Opera is made for linux, and the tar ball or whatever it is, comes with a file called "install" and another file called "opera". The opera file is made to be run under terminal and I was able to do this within Sabayon and Mandriva.

Thanks for your help though, if you find any new cool things about Linux, keep me updated. It's a shame that the Linux community seems to be pretty uptight. Each person thinks their distro is better, and its usually their support crowd. They expect you to know what you're doing, and you dare can't ask the same question twice or they'll go off on you. I have been called "nub" and basically a moron, in many intelligent and clever ways by these guys. So I went on figuring it out myself, but Google doesn't always have all the answers. So far though, I'm enjoying it, and my next mission to find out how I can do Virus Checking and Malware removal on an XP partition using Mint! Fun stuff.



First off, really excited that you're enjoying Mint. I think it's a really great distro to get your feet wet with.

As far as saving to a LiveCD, I'm not sure that is possible...I could definitely be wrong, though! Next up, running those programs from the USB device. My initial thought was that the commands you used for Sabayon aren't working because Mint is Debian based and (I'm guessing) Sabayon is not.

Sorry that I don't have any solutions for you, but hopefully it will help in the long run.

[Lynchmeister]

A very sad, yet touching sentiment, Dennis. I went through something similar with my dad, whom I lost to cancer 5 years ago. Thank you for opening up to us. We're looking forward to your return and wishing you the very best.

[New2DEShaving_Montreal]

Both Linux Mint and Mandriva do not detect my Linksys Ethernet Card. I have to manually configure each connection.

Do you think Linux ever be standardized in terms of compatibility and functionality?

[Lynchmeister]

Hey Cory, sorry you mis-read me. I know that you can't save anything to a Live-CD. It's a Read Only burn. What I meant was, as in Sabayon, there's a capability to save settings (Which is above and beyond me as I followed instructions to the 9 and well, it just didnt work), is there such an options where settings can be saved to my USB or some folder on a Hard drive, and upon bootup, it reads those settings so that I can work off a live CD, while keeping the settings I played around with.

As for the Terminal problem, I think you've got that right on. Sabayon is Gentoo based, while Linux Mint is Debian. Opera is made for linux, and the tar ball or whatever it is, comes with a file called "install" and another file called "opera". The opera file is made to be run under terminal and I was able to do this within Sabayon and Mandriva.

Thanks for your help though, if you find any new cool things about Linux, keep me updated. It's a shame that the Linux community seems to be pretty uptight. Each person thinks their distro is better, and its usually their support crowd. They expect you to know what you're doing, and you dare can't ask the same question twice or they'll go off on you. I have been called "nub" and basically a moron, in many intelligent and clever ways by these guys. So I went on figuring it out myself, but Google doesn't always have all the answers. So far though, I'm enjoying it, and my next mission to find out how I can do Virus Checking and Malware removal on an XP partition using Mint! Fun stuff.

Ok, that makes more sense about "saving stuff." :biggrin: Still, not sure though...:w00t:

RE: The Linux community. I agree! 99% of my knowledge (believe it or not) has come from this thread! Richard (RichGem), Ivan (gugi), Chip (Rabidpotatochip), Jesse (Soapbox), et al, have been absolutely wonderful in their patience and willingness to help me out with my noobish questions. It's really a shame that the entire *nix community (or any techie community for that matter) can't be so gracious.

As for new stuff, if you're looking for a great Linux DVD ripping app, look no further than dvd::rip. I got it going yesterday and, well, HandBrake is now in my rear view mirror!

[Lynchmeister]

Both Linux Mint and Mandriva do not detect my Linksys Ethernet Card. I have to manually configure each connection.

Do you think Linux ever be standardized in terms of compatibility and functionality?

Oh man...don't even get me started on Linux Mint and network connectivity...well, maybe it's just my particular desktop. The only version I've got a successful connection (wired or wireless) is Mint 4.0, which I'm currently running. Maybe tomorrow I'll take another crack at burning a 6.0 LiveCD and see what's what. Between internet problems, screen resolution issues, and choppy mouse action, this PC has been a bear. Nevertheless, I've learned a lot troubleshooting it!

[soapbox]

Instead of the few minutes the doctor predicted, my sister lasted nearly 5 hours! It was very sad but also very beautiful. She talked with us for over two hours and even had a good sense of humor.

I'm not sure how much I will be around as the work that needs to be done is pretty busy and the relatives keep filling the house. We have a funeral this week and then we all head for Wisconsin and do it all over again there.

Well here I am, tearing up at work. That's a beautiful, poignant post. My condolences to you Dennis. We'll see you when you return.

[RichGem]

Where to begin... no not with a mutli-quote (I'm looking at you Lynch!)

@Dennis...

So sorry to hear of your sister's passing. But, I am glad that she and you were able to communicate and say whatever needed to be said before her passing. May she be at peace and may you and your family be consoled.



@Cory...

re. Linux stuff.. stop, you're making me :blush:. But, I'm glad that I could be some small part of the learning experience. I met with all kinds of jerks when I was learning *nix and it wasn't fun. So, I had to learn from books mostly. Which are great for the basics, but do get outdated easily and are expensive. So, I'm glad to PIF a little knowledge when I can. Plus, and you may have had this experience as well, problem solving helps me to learn more as well.

re... house building... glad you're going for the larger basement. Now you'll have the square footage to put in the stairwell for the second floor. I mean, really.. a rope ladder off the master suite window would have just looked silly, especially with the cantilever. :biggrin:

[Confuzius]

Both Linux Mint and Mandriva do not detect my Linksys Ethernet Card. I have to manually configure each connection.

Do you think Linux ever be standardized in terms of compatibility and functionality?

Theoretically if the distros are using the same kernel it should, but it seems that everyone does something different.

[Mr. Gillette]

Hi guys,

Thanks for all the warm replies. Instead of the few minutes the doctor predicted, my sister lasted nearly 5 hours! It was very sad but also very beautiful. She talked with us for over two hours and even had a good sense of humor.

I'm not sure how much I will be around as the work that needs to be done is pretty busy and the relatives keep filling the house. We have a funeral this week and then we all head for Wisconsin and do it all over again there.


Dennis:

I'm glad it was a peaceful crossing for your sister. Whomever made the decision to end the life support can take comfort.

We all, (here near the Cheddar Curtain) are long LONG overdue for a meet-up. When things settle down, let's find a central location, and I'll grab Burnwood, we'll head up there, eat some cheese curds, have a fish fry, cut a hole in the ice and look at some "iceholes."

Keep in touch...and DENNIS...again, I'll PM you my #...don't hesitate to call, coming up past my world. I'm only about a mile from "The EYE."

[Mr. Gillette]

:thumbup1::thumbup1::thumbup1::thumbup1::thumbup1: :thumbup1::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thu mbup::thumbup:
Great tip, and, YES!, we actually are doing this. :smile: Originally, we were going to cantilever 2 feet out on the upper level to add space upstairs. Then we thought about it and for another $20 a square foot, we decided that it would be foolish not to just enlarge the foundation...plus 2 feet hanging off one side of the house would look weird. :tongue_sm

In addition, some other things we've opted for:

Large windows!
Heat pump. (Couldn't afford geo-thermal and these are really cool.)
High efficiency washer/dryer.
Utility sink in the garage.
Heated tile bathroom floor.
Laminate wood floors (kitchen and hallway).
3-sided breakfast bar.

I know there's more, but they just aren't coming to mind at the moment.

I LOVE it when you say "Cantilever!"

[rabidpotatochip]

Both Linux Mint and Mandriva do not detect my Linksys Ethernet Card. I have to manually configure each connection.

Do you think Linux ever be standardized in terms of compatibility and functionality?

The problem isn't so much a lack of standardization in Linux as it is a lack of manufacturer's support for Linux. In most cases, network drivers are either made to work with ndiswrapper (assuming you have the correct Windows drivers available (32 or 64 bit)) or dumb luck (it just works), which is a result of the card using a chipset with a known API.

Anyway, with Linux becoming more mainstream largely in part, I believe, due to Ubuntu, manufacturers will eventually release more Linux drivers or at least documentation that allows people to write the drivers themselves. Unfortunately, for a lot of us it will involve more waiting than we're willing to put up with.

[Mr. Gillette]

The problem isn't so much a lack of standardization in Linux as it is a lack of manufacturer's support for Linux. In most cases, network drivers are either made to work with ndiswrapper (assuming you have the correct Windows drivers available (32 or 64 bit)) or dumb luck (it just works), which is a result of the card using a chipset with a known API.

Anyway, with Linux becoming more mainstream largely in part, I believe, due to Ubuntu, manufacturers will eventually release more Linux drivers or at least documentation that allows people to write the drivers themselves. Unfortunately, for a lot of us it will involve more waiting than we're willing to put up with.

Chip's here...Chip's here! Who was Chip anyway? Is it like Linux? Linux. Chip's here!!!!:lol:

[rabidpotatochip]

Chip's here...Chip's here! Who was Chip anyway? Is it like Linux? Linux. Chip's here!!!!:lol:

While I'm here, I'm noticing a disturbing lack of birthday party. For shame, Mr. Gillette, for shame. :tongue:

[Mr. Gillette]

While I'm here, I'm noticing a disturbing lack of birthday party. For shame, Mr. Gillette, for shame. :tongue:

I'm sorry I was so ignorant.

Gents...today, Jan 13, is the birthday of the CONSUMMATE actor/raconteur, RIP TAYLOR, born in 1934. Happy birthday, Rip...GET AWAY FROM THAT GONG!!

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.riptaylor.com/p7hg_img_1/fullsize/rip_taylor_card_fs.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.riptaylor.com/gallery.htm&h=400&w=300&sz=48&tbnid=VUyJwAV1mwJD-M::&tbnh=124&tbnw=93&prev=/images&#37;3Fq%3Drip%2Btaylor%2Bphoto&usg=__VqpeJ2e0EDVrqIJV_Yg_BnqhyUo=&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=3&ct=image&cd=1

[rabidpotatochip]

I'm sorry I was so ignorant.

Gents...today, Jan 13, is the birthday of the CONSUMMATE actor/raconteur, RIP TAYLOR, born in 1934. Happy birthday, Rip...GET AWAY FROM THAT GONG!!

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.riptaylor.com/p7hg_img_1/fullsize/rip_taylor_card_fs.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.riptaylor.com/gallery.htm&h=400&w=300&sz=48&tbnid=VUyJwAV1mwJD-M::&tbnh=124&tbnw=93&prev=/images%3Fq%3Drip%2Btaylor%2Bphoto&usg=__VqpeJ2e0EDVrqIJV_Yg_BnqhyUo=&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=3&ct=image&cd=1

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

You win.

(Linux)

[gugi]

Since the handbrake packagers seem to be morons I thought I'll take a look for an alternative.

Here's how I installed it


gugi:~# wget https://launchpad.net/%7Ehandbrake-ubuntu/+archive/+files/handbrake-common_0.9.3+repack1-0ubuntu0~8.04jdong4_all.deb
--12:56:27-- https://launchpad.net/%7Ehandbrake-ubuntu/+archive/+files/handbrake-common_0.9.3+repack1-0ubuntu0~8.04jdong4_all.deb
=> `handbrake-common_0.9.3+repack1-0ubuntu0~8.04jdong4_all.deb'
Resolving launchpad.net... 91.189.90.211
Connecting to launchpad.net|91.189.90.211|:443... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Moved Temporarily
Location: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20538295/handbrake-common_0.9.3%2Brepack1-0ubuntu0%7E8.04jdong4_all.deb [following]
--12:56:28-- http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20538295/handbrake-common_0.9.3%2Brepack1-0ubuntu0%7E8.04jdong4_all.deb
=> `handbrake-common_0.9.3+repack1-0ubuntu0~8.04jdong4_all.deb'
Resolving launchpadlibrarian.net... 91.189.90.235
Connecting to launchpadlibrarian.net|91.189.90.235|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 13,196 (13K) [application/x-debian-package]

100%[================================================== ====================================>] 13,196 61.66K/s

12:56:29 (61.52 KB/s) - `handbrake-common_0.9.3+repack1-0ubuntu0~8.04jdong4_all.deb' saved [13196/13196]

gugi:~# wget https://launchpad.net/%7Ehandbrake-ubuntu/+archive/+files/handbrake-gtk_0.9.3+repack1-0ubuntu0~8.04jdong4_i386.deb
--12:58:09-- https://launchpad.net/%7Ehandbrake-ubuntu/+archive/+files/handbrake-gtk_0.9.3+repack1-0ubuntu0~8.04jdong4_i386.deb
=> `handbrake-gtk_0.9.3+repack1-0ubuntu0~8.04jdong4_i386.deb'
Resolving launchpad.net... 91.189.90.211
Connecting to launchpad.net|91.189.90.211|:443... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Moved Temporarily
Location: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20538297/handbrake-gtk_0.9.3%2Brepack1-0ubuntu0%7E8.04jdong4_i386.deb [following]
--12:58:10-- http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20538297/handbrake-gtk_0.9.3%2Brepack1-0ubuntu0%7E8.04jdong4_i386.deb
=> `handbrake-gtk_0.9.3+repack1-0ubuntu0~8.04jdong4_i386.deb'
Resolving launchpadlibrarian.net... 91.189.90.235
Connecting to launchpadlibrarian.net|91.189.90.235|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 5,086,340 (4.9M) [application/x-debian-package]

70% [================================================== ==========> ] 3,592,419 306.06K/s ETA 00:04debug2: channel 0: window 999330 sent adjust 49246
100%[================================================== ====================================>] 5,086,340 225.31K/s ETA 00:00

12:58:28 (305.39 KB/s) - `handbrake-gtk_0.9.3+repack1-0ubuntu0~8.04jdong4_i386.deb' saved [5086340/5086340]

gugi:~# dpkg -i handbrake-common_0.9.3+repack1-0ubuntu0~8.04jdong4_all.deb
Selecting previously deselected package handbrake-common.
(Reading database ... 117348 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking handbrake-common (from handbrake-common_0.9.3+repack1-0ubuntu0~8.04jdong4_all.deb) ...
Setting up handbrake-common (0.9.3+repack1-0ubuntu0~8.04jdong4) ...

gugi:~# dpkg -i handbrake-gtk_0.9.3+repack1-0ubuntu0~8.04jdong4_i386.deb
Selecting previously deselected package handbrake-gtk.
(Reading database ... 117352 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking handbrake-gtk (from handbrake-gtk_0.9.3+repack1-0ubuntu0~8.04jdong4_i386.deb) ...
Setting up handbrake-gtk (0.9.3+repack1-0ubuntu0~8.04jdong4) ...

[chickpea]

I figured it out...

su

<enter>

(password)

<enter>

Despite this, it's still saying "su: Authentication failure. Sorry."

*buntu systems have the root account disabled by default. You only enter a user password and that user is put in /etc/sudoers

su is a command that uses the "wheel group" Your user MUST be a member of the wheel group to be able to use su.

Also, without a root password, su will not work. So if root password, as on most default *buntu systems does not have a root password, you cannot su into root account.

[chickpea]

I just went and got Linux Mint Live CD. So far so good. It plays my Movies and Music and let's me edit documents. The Open Office software actually looks a heck of a lot better and featured packed than Microsoft Word 2003 which is what I still use.

I have another couple of distros, the Linux community has been no help. I have to tell you that so far I've met people who EXPECT you to know what you are doing when it comes to their distros. This is why I have not made the switch completely from Windows to Linux.

Here's my problem.

1) I don't want to install it just yet. But I would like to be able to save my settings, and use them with the live CD. Is this possible?

2) How do you run programs downloaded on to USB without installing them? (I have made Opera work under terminal in Sabayon, but could not do the same with Linux Mint using the same exact method, in terminal.)

Any reason you can't repartition your HDD and install the linux OS on the free partition?

I think your second question is more "I want to setup a LiveUSB install of Mint, how do I do that, and can I save my settings?".

I don't know the answer to either of those questions for Mint. (BTW, any Sabayon questions you have I can help (it's my primary distro)).

As far as the linux community is concerned, well, it's not that people are no help, they just expect that BEFORE you ask a question, you have researched the answer a bit. Google is your friend. So that you are not asking a question that has been asked and answered 1,000 times, or that has a helpful wiki page explanation. Most noobs that have come away jilted by the linux community are those who just show up and say something to the effect of "It doesn't work, make it work on my system." Rather than researching a bit what the problem is and if it has been solved before (hint: the answer to the second part of that sentence is almost always "yes").

My feeling is that you asked an question in the SL forums and got smacked by Wolfden who probably was a little gruff with your questions. SL is not a "noob friendly distro" although it is generally a "hands-free" distro. Many people (including Wolfden) spend hours upon hours in IRC and forums providing help to users who ask well-formed questions with all appropriate information about the problem. An attitude of "just feed me commands to fix this" will not be well-received. This is not Dell support, it is people who have volunteered their time to help you install free software onto your computer. I'm not saying that, that's what happened with you, but just as a heads up for you in the future, generally, Linux and supporting your linux system is a self-directed enterprise. You need to be pro-active and willing and able to use google and forum search effectively to solve your issues. Otherwise, buy red hat support, or ubuntu support, or Novell support contracts. That way, some one (other than you) is obligated to fix your system when all does not go according to plan.

/rant

[chickpea]

Hi guys,

Thanks for all the warm replies. Instead of the few minutes the doctor predicted, my sister lasted nearly 5 hours! It was very sad but also very beautiful. She talked with us for over two hours and even had a good sense of humor.

I'm not sure how much I will be around as the work that needs to be done is pretty busy and the relatives keep filling the house. We have a funeral this week and then we all head for Wisconsin and do it all over again there.

My sincerest condolences.

[Lynchmeister]

Currently burning the .iso of Linux Mint 6. One thing I will say about KDE is that I'm really liking the K3B! Nero, eat your heart out! :tongue:

[Confuzius]

I prefer gnome, but still install the KDE dependencies just because K3B kicks so much ass.

[rabidpotatochip]

You crazy kids and your fancy systems. :tongue:.

I use XFCE and love every moment of it. :biggrin:

[Lynchmeister]

I prefer gnome, but still install the KDE dependencies just because K3B kicks so much ass.

Whoa! I'll be taking this one to the bank! I had no clue you could do that...Holy sh*t! It just blew a bugle at me!...startled me. :lol:

[Lynchmeister]

Well, hopefully I'll be posting from 6.0 in just a few.

[chickpea]

Whoa! I'll be taking this one to the bank! I had no clue you could do that...Holy sh*t! It just blew a bugle at me!...startled me. :lol:

CHARGE!:lol::lol:

[Confuzius]

Whoa! I'll be taking this one to the bank! I had no clue you could do that...Holy sh*t! It just blew a bugle at me!...startled me. :lol:

Yep, and it's as easy as "sudo apt-get install k3b"

EDIT: I lied. I also use KDE for Yakuake which beats the pants off Tilda, but it's been a while since I've checked for any other gnome based contenders.

[soapbox]

Whoa! I'll be taking this one to the bank! I had no clue you could do that...

Yeah, to use Kile I had to install all the KDE deps. It's a lot of overhead, but they're really polite and don't use a bunch of system resources unless you're actually running the KDE desktop or a KDE app.

That didn't occur to me to suggest. Sorry.

[New2DEShaving_Montreal]

Cory, were you the one having trouble with booting up a Linux Mint 6.0? I booted it off my old Dell Pentium 3 and I didn't have any issues. Except the network problem. Troubleshooting - now that's the type of shooting I like to let an expert do :lol:


Oh man...don't even get me started on Linux Mint and network connectivity...well, maybe it's just my particular desktop. The only version I've got a successful connection (wired or wireless) is Mint 4.0, which I'm currently running. Maybe tomorrow I'll take another crack at burning a 6.0 LiveCD and see what's what. Between internet problems, screen resolution issues, and choppy mouse action, this PC has been a bear. Nevertheless, I've learned a lot troubleshooting it!

[New2DEShaving_Montreal]

Oh Believe me Sir, Google should pay me to google their google. I mean I google daily. I google in my sleep. I am on google therapy and google meds. Heheheh, all jokes aside. Yes I do google. I'm glad that Cory's found some good people here that can help us out with some nub questions. Well, I managed to read the little instruction manual on Linux Mint but I'm sure I'm going to get myself into something tough real soon. I don't think the SL guy was Wolfden, but in my opinion, teaching, voluntarily or paid, shouldn't be about condescending others. I teach something everyday. I also learn something new each day. I can understand that when you know something well, and you are teaching it to someone who does not know it, and refuses to believe you, you have all the right to smack them upside their head. I'll give you an example. A guy I know, whose Windows based computer I just resurrected out of demon spawn camp, actually believes that Linux is a computer. He heard it from someone, who knew what they were talking out, mis-interpreted it, and announced it to me. Well, I was shocked, and no matter how I approached it, he wouldn't listen. It is to a point where he is actually angry with me because I wouldn't believe him. So I have pretty much called in my peace corps with him and if he needs any more help, he can call someone and pay them. So while I completely understand your point, I am willing to accept someone who teaches because they want to, not because they think they are doing someone a favor.


Any reason you can't repartition your HDD and install the linux OS on the free partition?

I think your second question is more "I want to setup a LiveUSB install of Mint, how do I do that, and can I save my settings?".

I don't know the answer to either of those questions for Mint. (BTW, any Sabayon questions you have I can help (it's my primary distro)).

As far as the linux community is concerned, well, it's not that people are no help, they just expect that BEFORE you ask a question, you have researched the answer a bit. Google is your friend. So that you are not asking a question that has been asked and answered 1,000 times, or that has a helpful wiki page explanation. Most noobs that have come away jilted by the linux community are those who just show up and say something to the effect of "It doesn't work, make it work on my system." Rather than researching a bit what the problem is and if it has been solved before (hint: the answer to the second part of that sentence is almost always "yes").

My feeling is that you asked an question in the SL forums and got smacked by Wolfden who probably was a little gruff with your questions. SL is not a "noob friendly distro" although it is generally a "hands-free" distro. Many people (including Wolfden) spend hours upon hours in IRC and forums providing help to users who ask well-formed questions with all appropriate information about the problem. An attitude of "just feed me commands to fix this" will not be well-received. This is not Dell support, it is people who have volunteered their time to help you install free software onto your computer. I'm not saying that, that's what happened with you, but just as a heads up for you in the future, generally, Linux and supporting your linux system is a self-directed enterprise. You need to be pro-active and willing and able to use google and forum search effectively to solve your issues. Otherwise, buy red hat support, or ubuntu support, or Novell support contracts. That way, some one (other than you) is obligated to fix your system when all does not go according to plan.

/rant

[New2DEShaving_Montreal]

Cory, thanks for the heads up. I'm certainly glad that you were able to find most answers right here from these great folk. I am happy to hear that there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

How well versed are you now with the Terminal? Spoiled from Windows, I prefer to do less command typing. I know I've gotten spoiled, but my DOS days have long been forgotten.

I have yet to figure out how to get Opera to work (install or just directly run) in Linux Mint. Opera has a very cool Sync. feature which I love. This make all my bookmarks available anywhere instantly.


Ok, that makes more sense about "saving stuff." :biggrin: Still, not sure though...:w00t:

RE: The Linux community. I agree! 99% of my knowledge (believe it or not) has come from this thread! Richard (RichGem), Ivan (gugi), Chip (Rabidpotatochip), Jesse (Soapbox), et al, have been absolutely wonderful in their patience and willingness to help me out with my noobish questions. It's really a shame that the entire *nix community (or any techie community for that matter) can't be so gracious.

As for new stuff, if you're looking for a great Linux DVD ripping app, look no further than dvd::rip. I got it going yesterday and, well, HandBrake is now in my rear view mirror!

[rabidpotatochip]

Cory, thanks for the heads up. I'm certainly glad that you were able to find most answers right here from these great folk. I am happy to hear that there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

How well versed are you now with the Terminal? Spoiled from Windows, I prefer to do less command typing. I know I've gotten spoiled, but my DOS days have long been forgotten.

I have yet to figure out how to get Opera to work (install or just directly run) in Linux Mint. Opera has a very cool Sync. feature which I love. This make all my bookmarks available anywhere instantly.

To install Opera you should just have to load up Synaptic package manager and select it from the list; since Mint is Ubuntu-based I'm assuming that's still the same. If you use the terminal, just type "sudo apt-get install opera" and things should go ahead once you give it the password.

About the sync feature... If you install Foxmarks you can add that functionality to Firefox as well. I use it to keep my bookmarks synced between home, work and my semi-defunct laptop and find it to be a real lifesaver. If I have some spare time at either place I can organize my bookmarks and have the changes mirrored in the other ones. Combine that with the wonderful "Read It Later" extension and it's a winning combo.

Don't get me wrong, I love Opera too, but Firefox has more useful to me add-ins.

[Lynchmeister]

Yeah, to use Kile I had to install all the KDE deps. It's a lot of overhead, but they're really polite and don't use a bunch of system resources unless you're actually running the KDE desktop or a KDE app.

That didn't occur to me to suggest. Sorry.

Great to hear as this is a very important consideration for my whopping 632MB of RAM. :lol:


Cory, were you the one having trouble with booting up a Linux Mint 6.0? I booted it off my old Dell Pentium 3 and I didn't have any issues. Except the network problem. Troubleshooting - now that's the type of shooting I like to let an expert do :lol:

Yes, I was having issues booting due to some type of boot error. Initially, I thought the bad burn may have been the file itself...i.e., I blamed the download source. Then, I thought about it and decided that for as smart as Linux is, I probably needed to specify that I wanted to burn a bootable disc from the image file. This led me to k3b, which was awesome. It burned the disc, verified the write was good, and even went so far as to check the md5 checksum! Very cool.

It booted up about halfway, gave me the "Linux Mint" chime, but stopped at a black screen with a mouse cursor. I've had this issue in the past with other Mint and Ubuntu LiveCDs, so I just kept on trying. After 3 or 4 reboots, I was in business. I wasn't able to connect to my wireless network, but that was no surprise as with every other install I've done, regardless of distro or version, I've had to establish a hard wire connection, download some restricted drivers, and then connect to the WiFi with no problems. I had planned on doing this yesterday, but then something else grabbed my attention and well...you know how it is. Why do it today if you can do it tomorrow? :rolleyes:


Cory, thanks for the heads up. I'm certainly glad that you were able to find most answers right here from these great folk. I am happy to hear that there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

How well versed are you now with the Terminal? Spoiled from Windows, I prefer to do less command typing. I know I've gotten spoiled, but my DOS days have long been forgotten.

I have yet to figure out how to get Opera to work (install or just directly run) in Linux Mint. Opera has a very cool Sync. feature which I love. This make all my bookmarks available anywhere instantly.

I'm not a CLI freak, but I am definitely becoming more comfortable and well-versed in the Terminal. I actually enjoy putzing around with it and, if I'm feeling ambitious, will manipulate files via the terminal instead of "drag and clicking." I figure this is the best way to learn.

[Mr. Gillette]

Cory:

I thought of another essential Wisconsin upgrade for your home. Have the garage door made 10' tall instead of 8.

That way you can fit a John Deere 4020 or equivalent in there and keep it ready...or a large bo-at.:w00t:

[Lynchmeister]

Cory:

I thought of another essential Wisconsin upgrade for your home. Have the garage door made 10' tall instead of 8.

That way you can fit a John Deere 4020 or equivalent in there and keep it ready...or a large bo-at.:w00t:

Nice! In that vein, I've already dedicated a spot for both the rusted out pickup truck and snowmobile (circa 1970's), which of course can go without saying, won't run. :biggrin:

[Mr. Gillette]

Nice! In that vein, I've already dedicated a spot for both the rusted out pickup truck and snowmobile (circa 1970's), which of course can go without saying, won't run. :biggrin:

No kidding? I actually HAVE a non-running 1971 Evinrude Skeeter. I'll haul it up there for $300.00 if you want it.

I'm thinking of taking the 5 hp motor off the rototiller to make this thing cruise at 8 mph!:w00t:

Got a 95 Dodge pickup, but it's probably too new...

[New2DEShaving_Montreal]

Great to hear as this is a very important consideration for my whopping 632MB of RAM. :lol:/]

Your whopping 632MB Ram? Check out my "Butt-Load" of 512MB RAM. But the thing is, Linux works on it. With all the bells and whistles.


[QUOTE]
Yes, I was having issues booting due to some type of boot error. Initially, I thought the bad burn may have been the file itself...i.e., I blamed the download source. Then, I thought about it and decided that for as smart as Linux is, I probably needed to specify that I wanted to burn a bootable disc from the image file. This led me to k3b, which was awesome. It burned the disc, verified the write was good, and even went so far as to check the md5 checksum! Very cool.

It booted up about halfway, gave me the "Linux Mint" chime, but stopped at a black screen with a mouse cursor. I've had this issue in the past with other Mint and Ubuntu LiveCDs, so I just kept on trying. After 3 or 4 reboots, I was in business. I wasn't able to connect to my wireless network, but that was no surprise as with every other install I've done, regardless of distro or version, I've had to establish a hard wire connection, download some restricted drivers, and then connect to the WiFi with no problems. I had planned on doing this yesterday, but then something else grabbed my attention and well...you know how it is. Why do it today if you can do it tomorrow? :rolleyes:

You might want to check something out that solved my problem. See if you're using 80pin IDE cables. It's also ideal to have 1 HDD attached to one cable although it is designed for two, just to be on the safe side.
I suffered from random successful boots because of my cable issue. Sata does not seem to have this problem. Also, as you mentioned, the md checksum is always a good way to check against the original.



I'm not a CLI freak, but I am definitely becoming more comfortable and well-versed in the Terminal. I actually enjoy putzing around with it and, if I'm feeling ambitious, will manipulate files via the terminal instead of "drag and clicking." I figure this is the best way to learn.

Yeah, makes you feel more like a programmer ey? The difference is, CLI gives you instant "You're wrong, go learn something new" results. But Programming, well if you're Microsoft, you can sell it, and then catch the bugs later. (I always make Microsoft jokes, just for fun, though I confess I still use Windows XP)

[chickpea]

How well versed are you now with the Terminal? Spoiled from Windows, I prefer to do less command typing. I know I've gotten spoiled, but my DOS days have long been forgotten.


Quite honestly, nearly all modern linuxes do not require to ever touch the CLI (command line interface) for most usage situations. It's just that using the CLI for most administrative tasks is easier, faster, and less confusing. If you don't make heavy use of the CLI, then you'll just have to trust me. On the other hand, I know that most windows users dread it, and view it as some relic of a byegone era. Windows Vista/7b just readded a (somewhat serviceable) CLI because managing computers and performing routine maintenance tasks is much easier and less cluttered with a CLI.

[Lynchmeister]

No kidding? I actually HAVE a non-running 1971 Evinrude Skeeter. I'll haul it up there for $300.00 if you want it.

I'm thinking of taking the 5 hp motor off the rototiller to make this thing cruise at 8 mph!:w00t:

Got a 95 Dodge pickup, but it's probably too new...

:lol: A friend of mine used to have an old Coleman (yes, as in the camping gear and lantern Coleman). Oh man, if ever there was a POS, that was it. :lol:




Your whopping 632MB Ram? Check out my "Butt-Load" of 512MB RAM. But the thing is, Linux works on it. With all the bells and whistles.

Yeah, makes you feel more like a programmer ey? The difference is, CLI gives you instant "You're wrong, go learn something new" results. But Programming, well if you're Microsoft, you can sell it, and then catch the bugs later. (I always make Microsoft jokes, just for fun, though I confess I still use Windows XP)

Is that a standard or metric Butt-Load. Yes...it makes a difference! :lol:

Whoa...you mean I'm not a programmer?

:lol:

[rabidpotatochip]

:lol: A friend of mine used to have an old Coleman (yes, as in the camping gear and lantern Coleman). Oh man, if ever there was a POS, that was it. :lol:



Is that a standard or metric Butt-Load. Yes...it makes a difference! :lol:

Whoa...you mean I'm not a programmer?

:lol:

An ass-load is about 30-40kg in metric, since it's the maximum amount a donkey can carry. I imagine a butt-load runs somewhere in that range as well.

[Mr. Gillette]

An ass-load is about 30-40kg in metric, since it's the maximum amount a donkey can carry. I imagine a butt-load runs somewhere in that range as well.

Oh no...I thought he was only back for the day....(heheheheheheeh):lol::lol:

[rabidpotatochip]

Oh no...I thought he was only back for the day....(heheheheheheeh):lol::lol:

They extended my free pass. :biggrin:

[Mr. Gillette]

They extended my free pass. :biggrin:

VERY nice to have you back. You have been missed!

[Mr. Gillette]

Gents:

I got a PM from Dennis today, in which he permitted me to share some of it with you. He and family are heading now home to the Cheddar Curtain, where additional memorial services will be held.

He related that he would most likely (1) not be back on B&B until approx. 1/26 (which is the start of his new school semester) and (2) he probably would not be in a position to return PM's or emails until that time.

He finished by saying that sometime after that time he'd enjoy an upper midwest/cheddar curtain meet-up.

I hope I related his message accurately, and I look forward to his return.

[RichGem]

They extended my free pass. :biggrin:

He;s been doing so well on his new medication (imported cat nip) that they've decided to loosen the wrist straps. :yikes:

:lol:

[rabidpotatochip]

He;s been doing so well on his new medication (imported cat nip) that they've decided to loosen the wrist straps. :yikes:

:lol:

I type with my tongue. :crazy:

[Mr. Gillette]

He;s been doing so well on his new medication (imported cat nip) that they've decided to loosen the wrist straps. :yikes:

:lol:

Be nice to him...if he keeps straight for another week, they'll give him back his shoelaces.:tongue_sm

[Lynchmeister]

Hey guys-

I know...another thread on Linux, but I don't want to hijack the current threads and divert the attention from others' questions in their own threads, so here goes...

All of the Linux discussions here have caught my interest and after posting this, I'm going to download and burn the Linux Mint live CD to play around with on my laptop to see if this is something I want to persue further.

At this point, I don't have any questions as I haven't done anything yet, but I wanted to start the thread for when I do have questions and also to plant the seeds your heads in case you have some Linux Mint experience (or Ubuntu as Mint is based of the Ubuntu distro) and want throw your $0.02 in.

Thanks, and wish me luck!

[RichGem]

I type with my tongue. :crazy:


Linux is keyboard lickin' good. :biggrin::thumbup1:

[Lynchmeister]

Linux is keyboard lickin' good. :biggrin::thumbup1:

You, sir, disgust me.



:lol:

[rabidpotatochip]

Linux is keyboard lickin' good. :biggrin::thumbup1:

Coincidentally, my keyboard is at least as greasy as KFC. :lol:

[RichGem]

Hey guys-

I know...another thread on Linux, but I don't want to hijack the current threads and divert the attention from others' questions in their own threads, so here goes...

All of the Linux discussions here have caught my interest and after posting this, I'm going to download and burn the Linux Mint live CD to play around with on my laptop to see if this is something I want to persue further.

At this point, I don't have any questions as I haven't done anything yet, but I wanted to start the thread for when I do have questions and also to plant the seeds your heads in case you have some Linux Mint experience (or Ubuntu as Mint is based of the Ubuntu distro) and want throw your $0.02 in.

Thanks, and wish me luck!


Whaaat? :confused: Am I having a flash back to post 1 or did the system barf?

[Lynchmeister]

Coincidentally, my keyboard is at least as greasy as KFC. :lol:

Chippy! Use yer napkin, fer God's sake!

Yes, mother...

[RichGem]

You, sir, disgust me.



:lol:

Woo Hoo! Bonus points for me. :lol:


Coincidentally, my keyboard is at least as greasy as KFC. :lol:


Now *that* is disgusting.

[RichGem]

Coincidentally, my keyboard is at least as greasy as KFC. :lol:

One more reason that cats should not use hair gel.

:tongue:

[Lynchmeister]

Whaaat? :confused: Am I having a flash back to post 1 or did the system barf?



:lol::lol::lol:

I think it barfed.

[RichGem]

:lol::lol::lol:

I think it barfed.
OMG we finally linuxed it to death. :a35:

[rabidpotatochip]

Whaaat? :confused: Am I having a flash back to post 1 or did the system barf?



:lol::lol::lol:

I think it barfed.

Glad I'm not the only one that saw that. I was worried I was drinking too much coffee. :lol:



Woo Hoo! Bonus points for me. :lol:




Now *that* is disgusting.

So I guess I disgusted Cory by proxy. hehe

[Mr. Gillette]

Hey guys-

I know...another thread on Linux, but I don't want to hijack the current threads and divert the attention from others' questions in their own threads, so here goes...

All of the Linux discussions here have caught my interest and after posting this, I'm going to download and burn the Linux Mint live CD to play around with on my laptop to see if this is something I want to persue further.

At this point, I don't have any questions as I haven't done anything yet, but I wanted to start the thread for when I do have questions and also to plant the seeds your heads in case you have some Linux Mint experience (or Ubuntu as Mint is based of the Ubuntu distro) and want throw your $0.02 in.

Thanks, and wish me luck!

HEY! WE MISSED THE ANNIVERSARY!!!!:thumbup1: Serves you right..you missed Festivus 87.

[RichGem]

Glad I'm not the only one that saw that. I was worried I was drinking too much coffee. :lol:



either that, or it's a shared halucination

[Lynchmeister]

Glad I'm not the only one that saw that. I was worried I was drinking too much coffee. :lol:




So I guess I disgusted Cory by proxy. hehe


:lol:


HEY! WE MISSED THE ANNIVERSARY!!!!:thumbup1: Serves you right..you missed Festivus 87.

...but...but...I was six!

:lol:

[Lynchmeister]

I'm glad that I'm not within arm's reach of any of you, because if I were, you'd all probably smack me...

...I stumbled across the Linux Mint user-guide .pdf over at Linux Mint.com...I can't believe all the cool stuff I'm currently not taking advantage of...and, well...had I read the "instructions" sooner, we probably could've "taken five" about a year ago.

:lol:

[RichGem]

I'm glad that I'm not within arm's reach of any of you, because if I were, you'd all probably smack me...

...I stumbled across the Linux Mint user-guide .pdf over at Linux Mint.com...I can't believe all the cool stuff I'm currently not taking advantage of...and, well...had I read the "instructions" sooner, we probably could've "taken five" about a year ago.

:lol:

Bah! Where's the fun in that?!

[RichGem]

Hey Cory... the "shrinkage" episode in on in about 5 minutes.

[soapbox]

Bah! Where's the fun in that?!

I read the "instructions" for a fresh Gentoo install at a ahem spare machine at work today. They've improved the install and the standard setup quite a bit. It went faster than in the past (fewer steps, I mean -- this is a fast machine but I'm not talking about CPU speed). With a little luck this will speed up some of my work. The last run took a week on a 3.4 GHz P4 with 2 GB of RAM, and this little guy at least has a 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo.

Instructions ain't all bad. Get it set up right, and then you can fly by the seat of your pants.

[RichGem]

my #4950

a WEEK to compile gentoo? no freekin' way. yeesh. i'll stick with my non-custom installs thank you. :thumbsup:

[soapbox]

my #4950

a WEEK to compile gentoo? no freekin' way. yeesh. i'll stick with my non-custom installs thank you. :thumbsup:

NO NO NO, my GIS and database computations had to grind for a week on my 3.4 GHz P4. the Gentoo compile finishes in 24 hours *with* Gnome *and* KDE.

[RichGem]

NO NO NO, my GIS and database computations had to grind for a week on my 3.4 GHz P4. the Gentoo compile finishes in 24 hours *with* Gnome *and* KDE.


ooooooooooooooh.

Well, on a different subject, if cory would just throw out the directions and hurry up and break something, I'm sure I could break 5k tonight. But, maybe that's just false hope. :biggrin:

[soapbox]

ooooooooooooooh.

Well, on a different subject, if cory would just throw out the directions and hurry up and break something, I'm sure I could break 5k tonight. But, maybe that's just false hope. :biggrin:

No kidding eh? Shouldn't you two use the chat instead...? :redface:

[RichGem]

No kidding eh? Shouldn't you two use the chat instead...? :redface:

eh? when did you become Canadian? :tongue:

And.. if we used chat, what would happen to my post count?! :eek:

[soapbox]

eh? when did you become Canadian? :tongue:

It's the TAT thread, "eh?"


And.. if we used chat, what would happen to my post count?! :eek:

Well, as long as y'all are being honest about it...

[Kairtane]

...I stumbled across the Linux Mint user-guide .pdf over at Linux Mint.com...I can't believe all the cool stuff I'm currently not taking advantage of...

/facepalm

They have a user guide?!?

[RichGem]

It's the TAT thread, "eh?"



Y'all come back now, y'hear, eh? :lol:



/facepalm

They have a user guide?!?

No no no. Cory's making it all up. (well, actually, the user guide does exist, however, it's written in Church Slavonic and there's only one copy available which is housed behind the Cheddar Curtain in the Czar's Library. Visitors are beyond discouraged. You have been warned... I mean, uh, YMMV.)

[RichGem]

In case anyone missed it:

The Shaved Penguins (social group) wants you!

(penguin shaving is optional)

link is in my sig.

[gugi]

NO NO NO, my GIS and database computations had to grind for a week on my 3.4 GHz P4. the Gentoo compile finishes in 24 hours *with* Gnome *and* KDE.

yeah and c2d processor....

[soapbox]

yeah and c2d processor....

*and* if I had remembered to add the "X" flag to make.conf (/facepalm). Groan. Was I willing to bring the make.conf from home? Nooooo, I'm plenty smart enough to remember all those flags... :mad:

[DarkAudit]

*is attracted by the Linux thread*

*wanders in*

*straightens tie*

*ahem*

ARCH!

That is all. :)

[soapbox]

*is attracted by the Linux thread*

*wanders in*

*straightens tie*

*ahem*

ARCH!

That is all. :)

x86 and PPC, why do you ask? :lol:

Or did you mean the statistical method (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoregressive_conditional_heteroskedasticity)?

(and where's the "nerd alert" smiley...?) :blush:

[chickpea]

x86 and PPC, why do you ask? :lol:

Or did you mean the statistical method (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoregressive_conditional_heteroskedasticity)?

(and where's the "nerd alert" smiley...?) :blush:

God I'm a sad, sad little man. How is it that I find that funny? :arf::a36::letterk1:

[RichGem]

God I'm a sad, sad little man. How is it that I find that funny? :arf::a36::letterk1:

ok, i checked the wikipedia page and I'm still totally lost (well beyond "wtf"-lost). So, I guess that makes me a non-sad man and a non-nerd. Whew!

:biggrin:

[RichGem]

x86 and PPC, why do you ask? :lol:

Or did you mean the statistical method (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoregressive_conditional_heteroskedasticity)?

(and where's the "nerd alert" smiley...?) :blush:


They're working on it Jesse. It's just hard to get monster to show up clearly when reduced to smiley size. :lol: :tongue:

edit: LINUX

[Mr. Gillette]

In case anyone missed it:

The Shaved Penguins (social group) wants you!

(penguin shaving is optional)

link is in my sig.

I"m happy to be a member of this group. I just had my "penguin" shaved, and I have to admit, it felt good!:lol::blushing:

[soapbox]

*is attracted by the Linux thread*

*wanders in*

*straightens tie*

*ahem*

ARCH!

That is all. :)

Well, he could have meant "Computer, Arch!" from the Holodeck on Star Trek: the Next Generation.


x86 and PPC, why do you ask? :lol:

Or did you mean the statistical method (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoregressive_conditional_heteroskedasticity)?

(and where's the "nerd alert" smiley...?) :blush:


God I'm a sad, sad little man. How is it that I find that funny? :arf::a36::letterk1:

Yes, it is sad. Welcome to dorksville. Population: YOU. :lol:


ok, i checked the wikipedia page and I'm still totally lost (well beyond "wtf"-lost). So, I guess that makes me a non-sad man and a non-nerd. Whew!


Hey, understanding how the data from previous time periods (and the variances of both the variables and the errors of those variables) affects the information we collect in the current time period can be really useful. Sorry to spook the math-phobic...

[RichGem]

Hey, understanding how the data from previous time periods (and the variances of both the variables and the errors of those variables) affects the information we collect in the current time period can be really useful. Sorry to spook the math-phobic...


:lol: Actually, I did quite well in Math. BUT, I never got to the big scary stuff with squiggly lines and greek letters beyond the very basics. So... it wasn't so much scary as a language that I totally don't speak.

[Mr. Gillette]

:lol: Actually, I did quite well in Math. BUT, I never got to the big scary stuff with squiggly lines and greek letters beyond the very basics. So... it wasn't so much scary as a language that I totally don't speak.

I did Algebra 1, I think. Then I talked to my guidance counselor about a career in music. What the hell? The other day I wanted a new hat, (A red plaid Stormy Kromer!) I measured my head and divded it by PI!

What else could I need math/algebra/geometry for? I know SWMBO has nice round places, for instance, and that Cory's a square...

[chickpea]

Actually I was referring to the arch, why yes I run x86_64, it's a gentoo kinda joke. arch refers to processor ARCHitecture, aka x86, x86_64, ppc, ARM, MIPS, etc.

You would only really understand that if you do a lot of compiling from source (ala gentoo).

[burnwood]

It is so cold here my linux fell off.

[RichGem]

It is so cold here my linux fell off.

I would have stayed warmer if you hadn't shaved the penguin. :yikes:

:lol:

[kmarriner]

The alcohol keeps me warm.

[soapbox]

The alcohol keeps me warm.

Warms your heart, too.

[burnwood]

my poor penguin is crying because it is shaved and has icicles on it.

[Confuzius]

I'm refraining very much from installing Jaunty Jackalope Alpha.
I'm stoked to try ext4 but do not want to be running two non-final OS's on my machine.

EDIT: this just hit my RSS
http://i.gizmodo.com/5132132/wisconsin-girl-cancels-online-college-courses-thanks-to-a-mind-blown-by-her-ubuntu-dell
Damnit Cory, get in there and give that girl some tech support!

[Mr. Gillette]

my poor penguin is crying because it is shaved and has icicles on it.

My penguin has been stuck to a flagpole since noon...:w00t:

[burnwood]

did you linux bastiches go to my I am famous again thread? please do.

[RichGem]

I'm refraining very much from installing Jaunty Jackalope Alpha.
I'm stoked to try ext4 but do not want to be running two non-final OS's on my machine.

EDIT: this just hit my RSS
http://i.gizmodo.com/5132132/wisconsin-girl-cancels-online-college-courses-thanks-to-a-mind-blown-by-her-ubuntu-dell
Damnit Cory, get in there and give that girl some tech support!

And if she resides in the Czardom, deport her now (our test scores are low enough without her help).

[Mr. Gillette]

did you linux bastiches go to my I am famous again thread? please do.

I'll check it out.

AND...check out my thread...I think we should collect a kick-ass collection of wet-shaving products and send them to our President-Elect.

Maybe the Czar could deliver it.

[Lynchmeister]

ok, i checked the wikipedia page and I'm still totally lost (well beyond "wtf"-lost). So, I guess that makes me a non-sad man and a non-nerd. Whew!

:biggrin:

Woo hoo! I also have no :censored: clue what just happened here.


The alcohol keeps me warm.

Lord knows we need it to keep this thread going...


I'm refraining very much from installing Jaunty Jackalope Alpha.
I'm stoked to try ext4 but do not want to be running two non-final OS's on my machine.

EDIT: this just hit my RSS
http://i.gizmodo.com/5132132/wisconsin-girl-cancels-online-college-courses-thanks-to-a-mind-blown-by-her-ubuntu-dell
Damnit Cory, get in there and give that girl some tech support !

Omfg...this one is beyond help...


did you linux bastiches go to my I am famous again thread? please do.

Mom! Ray just called me a bastich!


And if she resides in the Czardom, deport her now (our test scores are low enough without her help).

:lol:

[burnwood]

Mom! Ray just called me a bastich!



:lol:

tattle tail.
no linux for you.

[DarkAudit]

Hmph... :tongue:

Let's try one more time...

ARCH! (http://archlinux.org/)

Beats up Ubuntu and takes it's lunch money. :biggrin:

[soapbox]

Hmph... :tongue:

Let's try one more time...

ARCH! (http://archlinux.org/)


By George I think he's close to understanding this thread. :cool:


Beats up Ubuntu and takes it's lunch money. :biggrin:

Yeah! Those open source guys are loaded with cas--wait, what? :001_huh:

[rabidpotatochip]

Hmph... :tongue:

Let's try one more time...

ARCH! (http://archlinux.org/)

Beats up Ubuntu and takes it's lunch money. :biggrin:

Simple? Linux? Wrong thread. :lol:


By George I think he's close to understanding this thread. :cool:



Yeah! Those open source guys are loaded with cas--wait, what? :001_huh:

They make up for the lack of profit in volume! Er... :001_huh:

[homebrewer]

EDIT: this just hit my RSS
http://i.gizmodo.com/5132132/wisconsin-girl-cancels-online-college-courses-thanks-to-a-mind-blown-by-her-ubuntu-dell
Damnit Cory, get in there and give that girl some tech support!

I also found that to be unreal... she somehow managed to get accepted to college, but her first response when her computer "didn't work" is to call the local news?



In other news, I'm thinking of using my old desktop to set up an FTP that I can use from various locations, and a friend recommended CentOS.... Anyone here have any experience?

[RichGem]

I also found that to be unreal... she somehow managed to get accepted to college, but her first response when her computer "didn't work" is to call the local news?



In other news, I'm thinking of using my old desktop to set up an FTP that I can use from various locations, and a friend recommended CentOS.... Anyone here have any experience?

No experience with CentOS per se, but IIRC, it's recompiled Red Hat Enterprise (not Fedora) so it should be a solid product.

[RichGem]

Cory... could ya try to get all liquored up and poke around your system a lot between today and tomorrow? I've got 24 posts to go for 5k and would like to reach it before Monday. Thanks pal!

:lol:

:huh:

[OldSaw]

*is attracted by the Linux thread*

*wanders in*

*straightens tie*

*ahem*

ARCH!

That is all. :)


x86 and PPC, why do you ask? :lol:

Or did you mean the statistical method (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoregressive_conditional_heteroskedasticity)?

(and where's the "nerd alert" smiley...?) :blush:


God I'm a sad, sad little man. How is it that I find that funny? :arf::a36::letterk1:


ok, i checked the wikipedia page and I'm still totally lost (well beyond "wtf"-lost). So, I guess that makes me a non-sad man and a non-nerd. Whew!

:biggrin:

As the Anti-Geek, I might have to ban talk like this.

[OldSaw]

did you linux bastiches go to my I am famous again thread? please do.

I'll see what I can do. I night need a link though.

[OldSaw]

Lord knows we need it to keep this thread going...

:lol:

Where are we going?

[OldSaw]

Cory... could ya try to get all liquored up and poke around your system a lot between today and tomorrow? I've got 24 posts to go for 5k and would like to reach it before Monday. Thanks pal!

:lol:

:huh:

I have a lot of catching up to do. I'll see what I can do to help.

[OldSaw]

Hey! what the heck happened to my signature pic?

[OldSaw]

Crap! I forgot to say Linux.

[OldSaw]

OK, I read most of the BS posts since my last post. I'm not sure how much B&B time I will get in over the next week, but I'll see what I can do.

I am still in Virginia, but will be hitting the road back to the cold, cold land of Cheddar either tomorrow or Saturday. I have had some pretty powerful and emotional family time here. It's too bad it had to happen this way, but I am almost sad to be going home.

I'll stop by when I can.

P.S. Cory, go ahead and break something already.

[Mike W]

Hmph... :tongue:

Let's try one more time...

ARCH! (http://archlinux.org/)

Beats up Ubuntu and takes it's lunch money. :biggrin:

It's good to see another Arch Linux (the best distro ever :tongue_sm) user here. I thought I was the only one.

[rabidpotatochip]

I also found that to be unreal... she somehow managed to get accepted to college, but her first response when her computer "didn't work" is to call the local news?



In other news, I'm thinking of using my old desktop to set up an FTP that I can use from various locations, and a friend recommended CentOS.... Anyone here have any experience?

I'm a Debian/Debian-derivative fanboy myself. If you're going to set up any kind of file-server, I'd recommend keeping the OS install as small as possible. Heck, don't even install it and just run a live CD or boot off a flash card or USB stick or something so you have the whole hard drive for your porn very important files.

Anyway, to that end I recommend either Damn Small Linux or Knoppix.

Edit:


It's good to see another Arch Linux (the best distro ever :tongue_sm) user here. I thought I was the only one.

Now Arch Linux knows you're not the only one too. :tongue:

[Lynchmeister]

Cory... could ya try to get all liquored up and poke around your system a lot between today and tomorrow? I've got 24 posts to go for 5k and would like to reach it before Monday. Thanks pal!

:lol:

:huh:

Good news! I broke the internet again. I installed Mint 5.0 in place of Mint 5.0 KDE CE and now the internet is busted...again. I downloaded and enabled the necessary restricted driver for the bcm43 chipset via an ethernet connection, but still no go. Iwconfig shows that wlan0 is up and active, so I'm suspecting it may be an encryption issue. I don't remember what I was using...

At any rate, would the fact that I'm no longer broadcasting my ESSID have any negative impact on establishing a connection? I don't think it would, but that is the only other change I've made since my last install.

[RichGem]

I'm a Debian/Debian-derivative fanboy myself. If you're going to set up any kind of file-server, I'd recommend keeping the OS install as small as possible. Heck, don't even install it and just run a live CD or boot off a flash card or USB stick or something so you have the whole hard drive for your porn very important files.

Anyway, to that end I recommend either Damn Small Linux or Knoppix.

Edit:



Now Arch Linux knows you're not the only one too. :tongue:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[chickpea]

I'm refraining very much from installing Jaunty Jackalope Alpha.
I'm stoked to try ext4 but do not want to be running two non-final OS's on my machine.

EDIT: this just hit my RSS
http://i.gizmodo.com/5132132/wisconsin-girl-cancels-online-college-courses-thanks-to-a-mind-blown-by-her-ubuntu-dell
Damnit Cory, get in there and give that girl some tech support!

I moved my SL system over to ext4 a few months ago. It's the hotness. You will notice a (slight) improvement in I/O. The real improvements come during fscking a petabyte system, so not something most home users do. That's where you will really notice a difference.

[RichGem]

Good news! I broke the internet again. I installed Mint 5.0 in place of Mint 5.0 KDE CE and now the internet is busted...again. I downloaded and enabled the necessary restricted driver for the bcm43 chipset via an ethernet connection, but still no go. Iwconfig shows that wlan0 is up and active, so I'm suspecting it may be an encryption issue. I don't remember what I was using...

At any rate, would the fact that I'm no longer broadcasting my ESSID have any negative impact on establishing a connection? I don't think it would, but that is the only other change I've made since my last install.

When I said "break something," I meant something EASY! Yeesh. :a6:

I have no idea about your question, WiFi set up is not my forte'. But, if the only thing that's changed is the ESSID broadcast, try re-enabling it and see what happens.
(otherwise, feel free to use the above smiley on the computer)

[rabidpotatochip]

Good news! I broke the internet again. I installed Mint 5.0 in place of Mint 5.0 KDE CE and now the internet is busted...again. I downloaded and enabled the necessary restricted driver for the bcm43 chipset via an ethernet connection, but still no go. Iwconfig shows that wlan0 is up and active, so I'm suspecting it may be an encryption issue. I don't remember what I was using...

At any rate, would the fact that I'm no longer broadcasting my ESSID have any negative impact on establishing a connection? I don't think it would, but that is the only other change I've made since my last install.

Try checking the settings on your router and see if anything changed there. It's unlikely that no longer broadcasting your SSID will affect anything as the SSID is transmitted inside every packet you or the router sends. Unless you're aiming for security through obscurity, I would just leave the SSID settings alone and pick a good, long, random passphrase.

[RichGem]

Try checking the settings on your router and see if anything changed there. It's unlikely that no longer broadcasting your SSID will affect anything as the SSID is transmitted inside every packet you or the router sends. Unless you're aiming for security through obscurity, I would just leave the SSID settings alone and pick a good, long, random passphrase.

Like this one, for example:



[King Roland has given in to Dark Helmet's threats, and is telling him the combination to the "air shield"]
Roland (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0887694/): One.
Dark Helmet (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001548/): One.
Colonel Sandurz (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0943927/): One.
Roland (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0887694/): Two.
Dark Helmet (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001548/): Two.
Colonel Sandurz (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0943927/): Two.
Roland (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0887694/): Three.
Dark Helmet (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001548/): Three.
Colonel Sandurz (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0943927/): Three.
Roland (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0887694/): Four.
Dark Helmet (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001548/): Four.
Colonel Sandurz (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0943927/): Four.
Roland (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0887694/): Five.
Dark Helmet (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001548/): Five.
Colonel Sandurz (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0943927/): Five.
Dark Helmet (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001548/): So the combination is... one, two, three, four, five? That's the stupidest combination I've ever heard in my life! The kind of thing an idiot would have on his luggage!

....

President Skroob (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000316/): [enters after the interrogation of King Roland] Well? Did it work? Where's the king?
Dark Helmet (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001548/): It worked, sir. We have the combination.
President Skroob (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000316/): Great. Now we can take every last breath of fresh air from planet Druidia. What's the combination?
Dark Helmet (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001548/): 1 2 3 4 5.
President Skroob (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000316/): 1 2 3 4 5? That's amazing! I've got the same combination on my luggage! Prepare Spaceball 1 for immediate departure!
Dark Helmet (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001548/): Yes, sir!
President Skroob (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000316/): And change the combination on my luggage!

[Mr. Gillette]

Left to right: Burnwood, Lynchmeister (glasses)


Burnwood will do ANYTHING on a triple dog dare.



This is a long time ago...I'm sure the boys know the danger now...

[DarkAudit]

I can't stay and help, the bell rang!

[Mr. Gillette]

Burnwood...I didn't get my Christmas cookies from Cory yet...did you?

I have a few Circuit City Gift Cards I'll send back to him, just as soon as these cookies get here...

[RichGem]

Burnwood...I didn't get my Christmas cookies from Cory yet...did you?

I have a few Circuit City Gift Cards I'll send back to him, just as soon as these cookies get here...

Don;t hold you r breath guys. I didn't get any either. You'd think after all that house buying advice... well, I'm just sayin' :whistling:

[burnwood]

Burnwood...I didn't get my Christmas cookies from Cory yet...did you?

I have a few Circuit City Gift Cards I'll send back to him, just as soon as these cookies get here...

No, I got a package of styrofoam from Rich. Said something about stuffing it where the linux dont shine.

[burnwood]

Somebody triple dog dare me to have you send me cookies.

[RichGem]

No, I got a package of styrofoam from Rich. Said something about stuffing it where the linux dont shine.


:yikes: Leave it to you to take it literally! :eek:

:lol:

[rabidpotatochip]

No, I got a package of styrofoam from Rich. Said something about stuffing it where the linux dont shine.

I stuck it in my toilet tank since that was the only spot in my house the sun doesn't shine. It's actually reduced my GPF, so thanks for my styrofoam block, Rich!

[RichGem]

I stuck it in my toilet tank since that was the only spot in my house the sun doesn't shine. It's actually reduced my GPF, so thanks for my styrofoam block, Rich!

You still owe me payment for those carbon offsets. :biggrin:

[rabidpotatochip]

You still owe me payment for those carbon offsets. :biggrin:

I would, but I started flushing twice to break even. :lol:

[RichGem]

I would, but I started flushing twice to break even. :lol:

eeeewwww. (but true. don't ya hate low-H2O toilets. At least you can still get the real thing in Canada.... friend of mine wants to import one or two for his new house)

[burnwood]

I cant type much since I still doing my happy dance seeing Chip again.
Or those crabs were literal.
either way linux the night away.

[Mr. Gillette]

I would, but I started flushing twice to break even. :lol:

I flush twice, just to BREAK it...:lol:

[RichGem]

I cant type much since I still doing my happy dance seeing Chip again.
Or those crabs were literal.
either way linux the night away.

I would think Beaker's problem would be more with moths than crabs, but ya never know about that Miss Piggy, I guess. Anyhow, all for the happy dance.

[Mr. Gillette]

eeeewwww. (but true. don't ya hate low-H2O toilets. At least you can still get the real thing in Canada.... friend of mine wants to import one or two for his new house)

Cory's new john is low/high water, depending on rain level/snow melt. It works fine for him. He shoveled a nice path out there already...just slips on the Sorels and heads out there with a copy of ??? under his arm.

[rabidpotatochip]

eeeewwww. (but true. don't ya hate low-H2O toilets. At least you can still get the real thing in Canada.... friend of mine wants to import one or two for his new house)

I'm actually looking into one of those toilets that uses a vacuum. 'course ya wanna get off it before flushing, otherwise it'll suck the shit right outta ya. :biggrin:


I cant type much since I still doing my happy dance seeing Chip again.
Or those crabs were literal.
either way linux the night away.

"I gave burnwood crabs" will probably be my new title now. :lol:

[RichGem]

Cory's new john is low/high water, depending on rain level/snow melt. It works fine for him. He shoveled a nice path out there already...just slips on the Sorels and heads out there with a copy of ??? under his arm.

I understand he's begging the wifey for an upgrade to an immersion water warmer for winter. I'm not sure I want to know what that's about, but I guess it has something to do with ice levels in the new out house.

[RichGem]

I'm actually looking into one of those toilets that uses a vacuum. 'course ya wanna get off it before flushing, otherwise it'll suck the shit right outta ya. :biggrin:



"I gave burnwood crabs" will probably be my new title now . :lol:


TMI x 10 :eek:

[Mr. Gillette]

I understand he's begging the wifey for an upgrade to an immersion water warmer for winter. I'm not sure I want to know what that's about, but I guess it has something to do with ice levels in the new out house.

Well, he's ALWAYS begging wifey...what's new?

[Lynchmeister]

Cory's new john is low/high water, depending on rain level/snow melt. It works fine for him. He shoveled a nice path out there already...just slips on the Sorels and heads out there with a copy of ??? under his arm.

..and with Darren's help, someday we'll get that chicken!


I'm actually looking into one of those toilets that uses a vacuum. 'course ya wanna get off it before flushing, otherwise it'll suck the shit right outta ya. :biggrin:



"I gave burnwood crabs" will probably be my new title now. :lol:

I need to see if my [former] Yugoslavian showerhead dealer can get me one of these...:shifty:


Well, he's ALWAYS begging wifey...what's new?

:yesnod:...:nonod:

[rabidpotatochip]

TMI x 10 :eek:



Looks like I ended up with a different, yet not entirely unexpected title. :lol:

[RichGem]

Looks like I ended up with a different, yet not entirely unexpected title. :lol:

You were overdue. :biggrin:

What did you say to get this one?

[rabidpotatochip]

You were overdue. :biggrin:

What did you say to get this one?

Starts here (http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showpost.php?p=938864&postcount=4). continues here (http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showpost.php?p=938867&postcount=6). Finishes here (http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showpost.php?p=938883&postcount=10). Possibly exacerbated here (http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showpost.php?p=938893&postcount=12). :biggrin:

[RichGem]

Starts here (http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showpost.php?p=938864&postcount=4). continues here (http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showpost.php?p=938867&postcount=6). Finishes here (http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showpost.php?p=938883&postcount=10). Possibly exacerbated here (http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showpost.php?p=938893&postcount=12). :biggrin:

seems like you've wasted no time in making up for lost time. <bwahahaha>

:w00t:

[rabidpotatochip]

seems like you've wasted no time in making up for lost time. <bwahahaha>

:w00t:

Honestly, I blame Austin for this one. :lol:

Still, it's only been two days since my return. Clearly I've made an impact. :devil:

Edit: Since you only have 5 posts to go and I might not be on for nearly 24 hours, pregrats on 5k. You finally passed me. :biggrin:

[RichGem]

Honestly, I blame Austin for this one. :lol:

Still, it's only been two days since my return. Clearly I've made an impact. :devil:

Edit: Since you only have 5 posts to go and I might not be on for nearly 24 hours, pregrats on 5k. You finally passed me. :biggrin:

In the immortal words of Elvis (the other king), "Thank you. Thank you very much."

[rabidpotatochip]

In the immortal words of Elvis (the other king), "Thank you. Thank you very much."

Yeah, Elvis stole that from me... just so you know... :biggrin:

Edit: I got a brewing kit for my birthday, got it last month... sampled the beer tonight... it's a little strong... I'm cutting myself off the Internet as a result. :lol:

[RichGem]

Yeah, Elvis stole that from me... just so you know... :biggrin:

Edit: I got a brewing kit for my birthday, got it last month... sampled the beer tonight... it's a little strong... I'm cutting myself off the Internet as a result. :lol:

Cool about the brew kit, tho I never developed a taste for beer. I'm thinking tho that you should stay on while, uh, sampling. I'll blow past 5.5k in no time!

Enjoy the brew.

[soapbox]

I also found that to be unreal... she somehow managed to get accepted to college, but her first response when her computer "didn't work" is to call the local news?

Unless Cory's been in the lutefisk again, I smell a fabricated story.


In other news, I'm thinking of using my old desktop to set up an FTP that I can use from various locations, and a friend recommended CentOS.... Anyone here have any experience?

I have a buddy who swears by it, and he's a serious linux demigod. He doesn't look down his nose at many distributions, which means he's a well-read linux demigod.

As for me, I use Gentoo. Today I finished a really, really easy compile of the system, plus all the applications I normally use. I did cheat and get the OpenOffice binaries though. That's an overnight or worse compile! But where it really counts, I compiled it all. Now I've got Gnome and KDE, plus all my apps. At work. Heh.

I use and like Ubuntu, but I've discovered some cracks that I don't like, and these cracks aren't a big deal for most folks, and earlier versions of Ubuntu didn't have this problem, so I figure it'll get worked out eventually.

[soapbox]

Simple? Linux? Wrong thread. :lol:

They make up for the lack of profit in volume! Er... :001_huh:

Man I have missed having you around. (and Mrs. Chip too). Don't be a stranger, mmmkay?

[soapbox]

Where are we going?

I bet there's a hospital for the mentally deranged involved, wherever it is.

[soapbox]

I'm a Debian/Debian-derivative fanboy myself. If you're going to set up any kind of file-server, I'd recommend keeping the OS install as small as possible. Heck, don't even install it and just run a live CD or boot off a flash card or USB stick or something so you have the whole hard drive for your porn very important files.

Anyway, to that end I recommend either Damn Small Linux or Knoppix.


Definitely a good idea. If you can spare the shelf space, run a dedicated machine for this. As for what to run, I really like and strongly recommend FreeNAS (http://www.freenas.org). It's technically not linux (it's based on FreeBSD) but it installs to a CompactFlash card or USB key and it runs well on hardware that even Mr. G would toss as being too old (but not old enough to be interesting). I built a FreeNAS for Mom and Dad's business to handle backups, since it will run RAID in software. And I'm building one for my home, with a 1 TB hard drive just for backups, not for "live" storage.

[soapbox]

Today was insanely busy at work; I had a 15 minute lunch at 2 PM and even took a call then. I clearly didn't get my allotment of B&B today. So please forgive the pile of posts as I catch up.

[soapbox]

I moved my SL system over to ext4 a few months ago. It's the hotness. You will notice a (slight) improvement in I/O. The real improvements come during fscking a petabyte system, so not something most home users do. That's where you will really notice a difference.

You have fscked a petabyte-class system?? :eek6:

Surely not!

[RichGem]

Unless Cory's been in the lutefisk again, I smell a fabricated story.



I have a buddy who swears by it, and he's a serious linux demigod. He doesn't look down his nose at many distributions, which means he's a well-read linux demigod.

As for me, I use Gentoo. Today I finished a really, really easy compile of the system, plus all the applications I normally use. I did cheat and get the OpenOffice binaries though. That's an overnight or worse compile! But where it really counts, I compiled it all. Now I've got Gnome and KDE, plus all my apps. At work. Heh.

I use and like Ubuntu, but I've discovered some cracks that I don't like, and these cracks aren't a big deal for most folks, and earlier versions of Ubuntu didn't have this problem, so I figure it'll get worked out eventually.

Do tell. I'm curious.

Oh, and btw, way to post dope. :wink:

[soapbox]

I'm actually looking into one of those toilets that uses a vacuum. 'course ya wanna get off it before flushing, otherwise it'll suck the shit right outta ya. :biggrin:


Pfft. As much BS as we lay out around here I'm surprised anyone of us has to poop once a week.



"I gave burnwood crabs" will probably be my new title now. :lol:

Lucky you snuggled up to Austin, hm? Or was "snuggling" how all this mess got started?

[RichGem]

Pfft. As much BS as we lay out around here I'm surprised anyone of us has to poop once a week.



Lucky you snuggled up to Austin, hm? Or was "snuggling" how all this mess got started?

LMAO.

(thankfully, chip had a new flea collar on at least)

[soapbox]

Do tell. I'm curious.

I'm running 8.10 "Hardy Heron" and I had a beast of a time getting GRASS GIS to install and run. Even when it ran I got odd permissions errors and a metric buttload of segfaults. While GRASS isn't the world's most stable codebase, I ran the same scripts and data on a MacBook pro and my Gentoo desktop without incident. Furthermore, while working on my dissertation, I borrowed a 2.66 GHz quad-core Dell with 4 GB of RAM (and made my own cluster computer with it using Perl) to do some heavy calculations. I built it using "Gutsy Gibbon" and it all ran without a hitch (and, I might add, still took almost a week to run). Installing GRASS and its attendant prerequisites was like pulling teeth. Eventually I gave up and took advantage of the fact that hey, it's really Debian under the hood, and got my hands dirty. But I was up, running, and crunching with Gentoo in less time than it took to figure out the problem with Ubuntu.

It's unusual. Almost everything (and especially system updates) run so smoothly in Ubuntu. I guess I was just asking it to do stuff that was a little out of range. And, I've got so much experience with Gentoo that maybe it just seems a lot easier because I've seen the problems before.


Oh, and btw, way to post dope. :wink:

You've got twice as many posts as I do, and more. "Hello pot? This is kettle calling..."

[RichGem]

I'm running 8.10 "Hardy Heron" and I had a beast of a time getting GRASS GIS to install and run. Even when it ran I got odd permissions errors and a metric buttload of segfaults. While GRASS isn't the world's most stable codebase, I ran the same

....

. And, I've got so much experience with Gentoo that maybe it just seems a lot easier because I've seen the problems before.

Interesting. It should work. Sounds like the prob Cory was having with handbrake. everything looked fine, but just wouldn't run.



You've got twice as many posts as I do, and more. "Hello pot? This is kettle calling..."


And instigator. Don't forget that I'm an instigator. :w00t:

Oh, and lookie thar... 5k. :biggrin:

[soapbox]

Oh, and lookie thar... 5k. :biggrin:

Heh! Wahoo! :a50:

[RichGem]

Heh! Wahoo! :a50:

thank you thank you thank you. I couldn't have done it without you (really).

[soapbox]

And instigator. Don't forget that I'm an instigator. :w00t:

Oh, and lookie thar... 5k. :biggrin:

Ok, "instigator", I started your celebratory thread. Enjoy!

[rabidpotatochip]

Cool about the brew kit, tho I never developed a taste for beer. I'm thinking tho that you should stay on while, uh, sampling. I'll blow past 5.5k in no time!

Enjoy the brew.

I'm not much of a drinker in general, but I always wanted to make my own beer. I only had one glass of the stuff, but I felt like I had two bottles. Thankfully, the effects are fading. Maybe I can still finish off that first bottle... :biggrin:

Oh, and grats on 5k!

[RichGem]

I'm not much of a drinker in general, but I always wanted to make my own beer. I only had one glass of the stuff, but I felt like I had two bottles. Thankfully, the effects are fading. Maybe I can still finish off that first bottle... :biggrin:

Oh, and grats on 5k!

Thanks, glad you were around to witness the event first hand.

[rabidpotatochip]

Thanks, glad you were around to witness the event first hand.

Well, I know your posting patterns and figured I'd have the timing right. hehe

[RichGem]

Well, I know your posting patterns and figured I'd have the timing right. hehe

ah good. the secret mind-control device is working.

(and it's probably not so secret any more. :censored:)

[sol92258]

I flush twice, just to BREAK it...:lol:
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[kmarriner]

This week has been so long... I am glad its over.

Also, girls suck.

[rabidpotatochip]

Gentlemen (and ladies, if you're reading this thread too), I have some news.

I will be reviving my attempts to get MythTV working properly. A certain opportunity which I could not possibly pass up arose, and I will require a kick-ass media center for it. What opportunity is this, you ask? Well, a local restaurant owner is selling her restaurant and I bought the theater room. :lol:

I'm now the proud owner of seven suitcase-sized speakers, stands for four of the speakers, a projector, an amp, a whole mess of cable, and a 120" (yes, 3 meters) motorized projection screen.

I don't really spend money that often, especially so much, but again... this was too good to pass up since I was planning a theater anyway.

My Mythbox will rise again! Muahahaha :devil:

[RichGem]

Gentlemen (and ladies, if you're reading this thread too), I have some news.

I will be reviving my attempts to get MythTV working properly. A certain opportunity which I could not possibly pass up arose, and I will require a kick-ass media center for it. What opportunity is this, you ask? Well, a local restaurant owner is selling her restaurant and I bought the theater room. :lol:

I'm now the proud owner of seven suitcase-sized speakers, stands for four of the speakers, a projector, an amp, a whole mess of cable, and a 120" (yes, 3 meters) motorized projection screen.

I don't really spend money that often, especially so much, but again... this was too good to pass up since I was planning a theater anyway.

My Mythbox will rise again! Muahahaha :devil:

and the best part of it all, you ask? He's GIVING it all to Cory for the new house. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[New2DEShaving_Montreal]

Soap, thanks for bringing this up. This is something I have yet to ask someone who knows a thing or two about Linux. As I said earlier, a noob like me feels banished from the linux community before we even get a chance to set foot into the door. So my experiences with them have not been great. They aren't very nice, yet I respectfully left it alone and so here I am asking this noob question.

Why is it that one needs to 'compile' ? I do not understand this concept. I presum that everything that comes with a Linux LiveCD distro is pre-compiled, which would obviously make life a lot easier. I fractionally understand this concept but would you please care to explain a little more?

Right now I have been playing with Sabayon LiveDVD, LinuxMint, and Mandriva One 2009. The Live Distros are great. They allow me to pretty much do all the basic stuff anyone wants to do when they log on.
Just a minor peeve of mine has been getting the time to show up as AM/PM. Doesn't bother me but my wife and ghosts etc that use my PC sometimes prefer the AM/PM look which I have been unable to do with KDE based distros. (Sabayon and Mandriva)



Unless Cory's been in the lutefisk again, I smell a fabricated story.

I have a buddy who swears by it, and he's a serious linux demigod. He doesn't look down his nose at many distributions, which means he's a well-read linux demigod.

As for me, I use Gentoo. Today I finished a really, really easy compile of the system, plus all the applications I normally use. I did cheat and get the OpenOffice binaries though. That's an overnight or worse compile! But where it really counts, I compiled it all. Now I've got Gnome and KDE, plus all my apps. At work. Heh.

I use and like Ubuntu, but I've discovered some cracks that I don't like, and these cracks aren't a big deal for most folks, and earlier versions of Ubuntu didn't have this problem, so I figure it'll get worked out eventually.

[rabidpotatochip]

and the best part of it all, you ask? He's GIVING it all to Cory for the new house. :lol: :lol: :lol:

haha I'm planning a new one too...


Soap, thanks for bringing this up. This is something I have yet to ask someone who knows a thing or two about Linux. As I said earlier, a noob like me feels banished from the linux community before we even get a chance to set foot into the door. So my experiences with them have not been great. They aren't very nice, yet I respectfully left it alone and so here I am asking this noob question.

Why is it that one needs to 'compile' ? I do not understand this concept. I presum that everything that comes with a Linux LiveCD distro is pre-compiled, which would obviously make life a lot easier. I fractionally understand this concept but would you please care to explain a little more?

Right now I have been playing with Sabayon LiveDVD, LinuxMint, and Mandriva One 2009. The Live Distros are great. They allow me to pretty much do all the basic stuff anyone wants to do when they log on.
Just a minor peeve of mine has been getting the time to show up as AM/PM. Doesn't bother me but my wife and ghosts etc that use my PC sometimes prefer the AM/PM look which I have been unable to do with KDE based distros. (Sabayon and Mandriva)

The rest of us know stuff about Linux too, ya know...

You need to compile from source because different versions (distros) of Linux are set up differently and compiling from source allows a program to be built to order basically. When you get into a distro like Gentoo you compile thigns specifically for your computer. Also, try the Ubuntu forums for Linux help. I have yet to meet someone who wasn't friendly and/or helpful.

[burnwood]

This week has been so long... I am glad its over.

Also, girls suck.

That is why I like them so much. Hey ooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhh.





Chippy is Austin's pet.:jump::jump::jump:



linux

[DarkAudit]

Why is it that one needs to 'compile' ? I do not understand this concept. I presum that everything that comes with a Linux LiveCD distro is pre-compiled, which would obviously make life a lot easier. I fractionally understand this concept but would you please care to explain a little more?


It's building a custom version of a particular application from source code. It can be done to fine-tune an app to run "better" on your particular machine, or to turn on or off options that can only be changed by recompiling.

Generally, though, most users nowadays just use the precompiled versions available through the repositories for their particular distribution. Only in rare instances will they have to compile a package themselves.

If you do want to try your hand at building a package on your own system, you will need extra libraries and such. Those are usually marked with a "dev" in the package name and/or category. The Debian/Ubuntu folks has a meta-package (a package of packages) called "build-essential" that will contain the most common of these.

[gugi]

It's unusual. Almost everything (and especially system updates) run so smoothly in Ubuntu. I guess I was just asking it to do stuff that was a little out of range. And, I've got so much experience with Gentoo that maybe it just seems a lot easier because I've seen the problems before.

Nah, it's just a crappy package maintainer, just like with handbrake. I just saw that grass is in 'universe', so it's 'just a program off the internet'. Of course when you compile it you will get it properly linked and it'll work better. Or if somebody packages it well for a given OS it will work well too. Just the usual stuff.




Why is it that one needs to 'compile' ? I do not understand this concept. I presum that everything that comes with a Linux LiveCD distro is pre-compiled, which would obviously make life a lot easier. I fractionally understand this concept but would you please care to explain a little more?

It's simple really, there are two kinds of people - masochists and sadists. The first like to compile themselves, the later like to compile for others. They derive pleasure from the process.

Now that the underlying deep philosophical reason is settled, the technical part. Programmers write programs in programming languages which are easy for humans to understand. Like


O HAI
CAN HAS LINUX?
CAN HAS STDIO?
VISIBLE "HAI WORLD!"
VISIBLE "SCRW U!"
KTHXBYE


but the machines prefer something like


01010010101010101010101010101010101111100110110101

the process that translates betwen (there are few steps) is compilation.

The thing is that if I write a nice program that I want to give or sell you, I can either give you the code I wrote, or I can give you the machine translation. If your operating system can understand the translation you don't need to compile it yourself. The problem is of course that transferability of the compiled code is not very easy to ensure, or rather it is easy, but most people find it even easier to screw up.
Most programmers rarely write every single detail. There are a lot of pre-written blocks that they just reuse. For example if their program has to draw a window, or a button, instead of writing all the details they can just use one already written by somebody else, and just tell it the dimensions, colors, position, etc...
But then when they give you the compiled code it either has to carry inside it this extra programs, or be able to find them on your own computer. And encapsulating everything in the compiled code is just stupid and prohibitive as I'm sure you would rather download a 1MB program than 500MB one, so the general approach is to standardize these extra helpful programs so that they are available on all computers.
On microsoft windows they are called blahbladh.dll on linux blahblah.so but they are just that. Now windows is tightly controlled by microsoft, so they pretty much always have the same dll files on all Vista or on all XP machines and when programs move around they find these other programs they need.
On linux it's not the same, each distribution can compile those slightly differently and since it's a much more dynamic field version 2.0 of the button drawing program may be backwards incompatible with the 1.0 version.
So if I give you a program that needs one version and your computer has the other, my program won't run on yours. If I've written the program in not the most dumb way the compilation process will be able to find which version is present on your computer and create a working program. So the source code is much more transferable and compiling on your own machine is usually helpful to ensure everything works. But if you don't have a button drawing program whatsoever installed even if I give you the source code it still won't make a useful compile.
But compiling from source code generally works better because the people who write source code (programmers) are generally smarter and better than the people who just compile somebody else's source code.

Of course, it is just a workaround solution to deal with the incompetence of people who compile for others, i.e. the sadists.
Or if something is of critical importance you may want to compile it so that it's fine-tuned to your exact system and gives you best performance. For example the newest processors can do some really smart tricks, so if my code can take advantage of these and I compile it for these processors it will be superfast when it runs on them, but it may end up not able to run at all on the older processors which don't turn tricks.

KTHXBYE

[RichGem]

everything on a livecd is already pre-compiled. you need to compile your own only if that's the way your distro works (gentoo for ex), or if there aren't precompiled binaries available of a particular program you want for your distro or when you're a masochist and want to ultra fine tune everything for your computer specifically (see gentoo).

[burnwood]

gugi is scaring me.

[gugi]

gugi is scaring me.

BOOOOO!!!!

"If my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions."

[gugi]

everything on a livecd is already pre-compiled. you need to compile your own only if that's the way your distro works (gentoo for ex), or if there aren't precompiled binaries available of a particular program you want for your distro or when you're a masochist and want to ultra fine tune everything for your computer specifically (see gentoo).
or as it's most often the case if the precompiled binaries are crap because the person who did is a moron and you can't find ones precompiled by somebody who can do it right
ref. handbrake on ubuntu pages couple of hundred posts back

[gugi]

i'll never get to 2k posts unless i start posting like the rest of you

so in full disclosure, i write programs and i sometimes compile them for people who are either too incompetent to do it themselves, or their paygrade is above mine and so they find it easier to tell me to do it for them instead of bothering themselves.

[burnwood]

BOOOOO!!!!

"If my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions."

I am so telling on you.

[soapbox]

Nah, it's just a crappy package maintainer, just like with handbrake. I just saw that grass is in 'universe', so it's 'just a program off the internet'. Of course when you compile it you will get it properly linked and it'll work better. Or if somebody packages it well for a given OS it will work well too. Just the usual stuff.


It's simple really, there are two kinds of people - masochists and sadists. The first like to compile themselves, the later like to compile for others. They derive pleasure from the process.

Now that the underlying deep philosophical reason is settled, the technical part. Programmers write programs in programming languages which are easy for humans to understand. Like


O HAI
CAN HAS LINUX?
CAN HAS STDIO?
VISIBLE "HAI WORLD!"
VISIBLE "SCRW U!"
KTHXBYE


but the machines prefer something like


01010010101010101010101010101010101111100110110101

the process that translates betwen (there are few steps) is compilation.

...

But compiling from source code generally works better because the people who write source code (programmers) are generally smarter and better than the people who just compile somebody else's source code.

KTHXBYE

Very nice work, Gugi. I especially like the LOLCODE (http://lolcode.com/). :001_smile

[soapbox]

i'll never get to 2k posts unless i start posting like the rest of you

:lol:


so in full disclosure, i write programs and i sometimes compile them for people who are either too incompetent to do it themselves, or their paygrade is above mine and so they find it easier to tell me to do it for them instead of bothering themselves.

Nice. Well put, with only a hint of the bitterness I expect IT people (e.g., me) feel like most of the time.

[soapbox]

"If my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions."

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring:
there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
and drinking largely sobers us again.

-- Alexander Pope