Hold off yer brush purchases..... B&B Forum Brush

[joel]

Just an FYI - I am working with a fella to create a custom B&B shaving brush. This sucker will be around - or a little less than $100, and will have a GENUINE horn handle (type of horn still up in the air) and badger hair that is white at the tip, and black to the roots (as much as possible - some variations may occur as it is a natural product - but it will be specifically ordered and pictures provided to the supplier of EXACTLY what we want - and the two examples I will show will be the badger head of my Plisson HMW and my Rooney Finest).

Several options maybe available (IE a choice of say 3 types of horn, or for an additional fee have your initials engraved in the handle and enlaid with semi-precious stones, etc). I'll explore several handle options, including genuine horn, genuine horn AND wood combo, or some sort of gorgeous/rare wood.

This is all the information I have now, and I will update you as soon as I have more info to relay - but this custom maker (which I will leave unnamed so that he can research sourcing the proper hair and such instead of fielding questions and the like) seems to really have his ducks in a row, so this project will be a go for certain.

Knot dimensions and such are still up in the air - and will be largely impacted on the availability of the hair, and the cost of the hair - as the goal is to keep this brush's cost right at the century mark, so everyone can enjoy a 100% handmade work of art that'll compete with the likes of a $400+ Plisson. Ideally - right around 23-24mm.

I will get one of these brushes, take a plethora of pics and test it for a week before it is offer to ya'll just to ensure it is of the utmost quality and you'll be getting more than your money's worth.

Depending on the materials used (a little bit of Amber, mammoth ivory, jade, etc) might be added in the mix, and the amount of knots of hair may potentially also be limited, but if you know without question you want one, feel free to pm me and let me know, and I'll put you on the top of the list - so IF the unfortunate even occurs when only some of the brushes might have XYZ features - you'll be sure to get one fully loaded.

Again - this is all the info I have right now - I'll update you ASAP.

[roughrider]

This is great news. You got PM.

[bumpus]

PM from me as well.

[NMMB]

Joel,

Do you have any idea on timeline? When the money would need to be sent? When the demo (and production) brushes might be available? etc?

This sounds exciting (far better than a slantbar, IMO), but I would love more info re: timeline

[Nitrox]

All I can say is wow, shucks , what's another brush to my collection.:biggrin:
I'm in.

[joel]

Joel,

Do you have any idea on timeline? When the money would need to be sent? When the demo (and production) brushes might be available? etc?

This sounds exciting (far better than a slantbar, IMO), but I would love more info re: timeline

Based on the rariety of the items involved - I would presume sourcing the proper materials and such would take at least a few weeks.... at least. I would think the "test brush" would be in my hands in a month... and that is probably wishful thinking - so you probably have at least a month - probably 2 months. When you consider - each brush will be made from start to finish 100% by hand, by the same man... just producing them as well will probably take 3-4 weeks, so just to be safe - I'd start saving thinking it'll be available in one month - but more than likely it'll be closer to two months, and that is if we get cracking. With these things, at this early a stage, it is terribly difficult to give timelines... as it could take a day to source the raw materials... or it could take a few months! My big stress here on this project is quality... I am in no hurry to rush the man - and I made it really clear to him we aren't in a hurry, we'd much rather have the best bristle/handle/horn/wood etc possible at the best price possible VS a good bristle/handle, etc at a good price quickly. From some of the work I have seen from this individual - the quality/craftsmanship should be simply top notch (he makes brushes over $1,000 as well) and it will be a hell of a value. He also makes THE most gorgeous brush/razor stands I have ever laid eyes on, which might also be an "add on" option.

Stay tuned, as this should be a hot one.

[NMMB]

Joel,

I am very interested in this (the understatement of the day) and I have started to save already (dumped my pocket change into a jar a few minutes ago). I have just one more concern... I am located on the Northern side of the 49th parallel (ie, I'm in Canada) and I'm wondering if it might be problematic to import such things as horn/exotic woods/etc? Anybody know about this type of stuff (any Canadian Border Guards of Canadian Food Inspection Agency Staffers amongst the B&B ranks?)?

[letterk]

I am very interested in this (the understatement of the day) and I have started to save already (dumped my pocket change into a jar a few minutes ago). I have just one more concern... I am located on the Northern side of the 49th parallel (ie, I'm in Canada) and I'm wondering if it might be problematic to import such things as horn/exotic woods/etc? Anybody know about this type of stuff (any Canadian Border Guards of Canadian Food Inspection Agency Staffers amongst the B&B ranks?)?

I think Joel said he would personally ride through the night on a mule across the boarder and deliver it in person. No customs needed. :lol:

[NMMB]

I think Joel said he would personally ride through the night on a mule across the boarder and deliver it in person. No customs needed. :lol:

I don't fear the customs fees nearly as much as I fear that the brush could get held up (or worse, confiscated) at the border. How sad would that be; to lose a beautiful, hand crafted brush to the CFIA?

[joel]

Joel,

I am very interested in this (the understatement of the day) and I have started to save already (dumped my pocket change into a jar a few minutes ago). I have just one more concern... I am located on the Northern side of the 49th parallel (ie, I'm in Canada) and I'm wondering if it might be problematic to import such things as horn/exotic woods/etc? Anybody know about this type of stuff (any Canadian Border Guards of Canadian Food Inspection Agency Staffers amongst the B&B ranks?)?

Honestly... I don't know - but I don't see it as a problem. JJ carries Plissons in Canada which have horn handles, and many canadian members have horn handled plissons. Shouldn't be a problem... if it becomes a problem, i'll figure out an alternative method of getting it to you.

[NMMB]

Honestly... I don't know - but I don't see it as a problem. JJ carries Plissons in Canada which have horn handles, and many canadian members have horn handled plissons. Shouldn't be a problem... if it becomes a problem, i'll figure out an alternative method of getting it to you.

Sounds good, Joel. Thanks for the assurances.

I'll keep saving and will decide soon (say, when price estimates are available) if this will be a possibility for me.

[roughrider]

One way to avoid problems is to state something broad like "Shaving Products" or "Grooming Products" on the form. Technically, you're telling the truth because it is a shaving/grooming product. You don't have to describe the item in great detail like some people do.

[roughrider]

I think Joel said he would personally ride through the night on a mule across the boarder and deliver it in person. No customs needed. :lol:


I just got a picture of this in my head. :lol:

[HeadandFaceShaver]

Hmmm, horn handle and with the suspicion of savile row being made by shavemac along with these two brushes being some of the most popular on the forum. I have wonder if shavemac is behind this new brush. Will it be silver tipped? I look foward to hearing more about it and if finances permit would love to purchase one... I wonder if instead of personal ingraving they might come with the "Badger and Blade" name/ logo?

[shavingrace]

This is really exciting--PM sent!

Regards,

Phil

[joel]

Hmmm, horn handle and with the suspicion of savile row being made by shavemac along with these two brushes being some of the most popular on the forum. I have wonder if shavemac is behind this new brush. Will it be silver tipped? I look foward to hearing more about it and if finances permit would love to purchase one... I wonder if instead of personal ingraving they might come with the "Badger and Blade" name/ logo?

NOT shavemac. It will be 100% made in the USA - with materials from USA (save for the bristle).

[shavingrace]

NOT shavemac. It will be 100% made in the USA - with materials from USA (save for the bristle).


Even better! But it should not carry a logo at all: the brush that Joel is commissioning will be distinctive to the point of needing no identifying logos of any kind, besides elite materials, design and execution. Logo: bad; truly superior design and manufacture: good. And if an identifying mark must be incorporated to satisfy majority tastes, then I vote for a single silver fleur-de-lis, symbol of royalty.

[Jonnybc]

SOunds fantastic, I might even risk paying the customs duty to get one of these shipped over.

[Justso]

i'm in for sure.. Keep us posted Joel..This sounds awesome

[acb13013]

PM sent.

[drP]

Holding off my brush purchases???:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

I definitely would NOT think so.....com'on.....how can i go on living without at least one brush purchase per two weeks or so.....:w00t: :w00t: :w00t:

You're a SBAD addict or you're not, well and i'm definitely NOT:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

DrP

But okay, i promise, this B&B brush will be the last brush i purchase.....promised....
















(for the two weeks thereafter...hehehehhe)

[Nitrox]

Holding off my brush purchases???:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

I definitely would NOT think so.....com'on.....how can i go on living without at least one brush purchase per two weeks or so.....:w00t: :w00t: :w00t:

You're a SBAD addict or you're not, well and i'm definitely NOT:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

DrP

But okay, i promise, this B&B brush will be the last brush i purchase.....promised....

(for the two weeks thereafter...hehehehhe)

I know the feeling Peter, how can I hold off in getting a nice brush like this for this price? Even with 2 brushes on the way......... yet again.:biggrin: :biggrin:

[McNutt]

I can't commit now, but I'm very interested to see this brush.

[NYLaw]

Joel... This is tremendous. Someone who know as much as you testing a brush that's CUSTOM designed by you (us?) is a fantastic opportunity.

Thanks for your hard work and time.

Put one aside for me- I'm all in.

[vontech]

DAMN YOU JOEL!!




Count me in!:001_rolle

[htownmmm]

YES!!!
i'm in.
ready and willing.


Marty

[joel]

Fellas - as stated in the original post, please PM me as well if you are interested - so I have them all in one place.

Thanks! :biggrin:

[madmedic]

PM Sent.

Brian

[wlsutton]

PM sent...
Will:smile:

[joel]

Already over 20 guys have pm'ed me wanting one - sight unseen! I better get working on this design! The custom brush maker says he could probably have a prototype for me in a week or so.... so we might get a review/pics sooner than I thought!

[joel]

http://badgerandblade.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=2698

Above is what I would like the brush handle to ultimately and ideally look like (Credit to Kyle for the above image) the bottom "ball" ideally would be horn, and for the "seperators" have chrome or copper and for the twisted section have wood.

Some possible options if this handle can be done are blonde horn with a light wood (like burled maple) or you could opt for a dark horn with a dark wood - like macassar, or "standard" ebony or the like - or possibly a combo EX: Blonde horn, ebony wood.

The B^B badgerhead would probably not be on the brush in the horn, unless there was some sort of cool way to do it really sharp - but this thing should be a mighty hot lookin' brush - yet also offer a "ball" handle and be incredibly comfortable/practical. Also - a lot of guys worry about horn soaking in water, and wood soaking in water, and if the top is chrome or the like - it might calm some fellas down - however depending on the design - wood might look better.

Since the maker of the brushes is an artist, he may make some changes (which I encourage he do) - however IDEALLY - that should be awful close to the end result *fingers crossed* :wink:

Just look at the above picture - think of blonde horn.....
http://www.classicshaving.com/i/Thiers_Issard/Horn_Damascus.jpg

and burled maple....
http://www.fbass.com/images/bn5brl-090104-bdy-b.jpg

Seperated with chrome.... hot damn!

[Rik]

Very cool!

I'd like to encourage those of you who are sitting on the fence to jump in. We're talking an heirloom piece here! I learned a long time ago that opportunities like this are rare; when I didn't take advantage of them I deeply regretted it later.

[RWelch76]

"The waiting is the hardest part......." Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I might just have some kind of mental fit as I await such as this!!

[JohnP]

Ok. Count me in. I'm a sucker for this sortof thing....
John P.


PM sent.

[phishkabob]

PM sent...:001_smile

[soulshine]

i'm in! PM sent.

edit - upon further review that brush looks friggin' saaaa-weet.

s~s

[joel]

Ok - so here is the plan fellas - the basic brush offered to the forum in whatever capacity WILL be $100 or less....PERIOD! Depending on the ACTUAL cost of sourced quality materials - minor modifications may have to be made - but they will be disclosed, and shown way ahead of time, so no worries - but the bottom line, anyone who wants one for $100 or less, will be able to buy one for $100 or less.

Depending on the cost of materials some of the options may be small additional add on fee's - like for example, the seperators might be a few extra dollars, or possbly a certain type of more precious/rare wood/amber/etc may be an additional bump if so desired. The REALLY neat thing about these brushes is that due to the materials used, EVERY single brush, REGARDLESS of the options will look markedly different from one another, so each one is a work of art in its own right. When you throw in some of the options that may potentially be added (EX: custom initials and such with semi precious stones) or copper seperators, etc - each one will really have a character of its own - which I personally think is the bee's knees.

No need to sweat it though fellas - as rest assured no matter what the end result entails, you'll see a ton of detailed close up pictures of the end results - and of course no ones "count me in" pm is considered binding - so if you don't like the end result - you can opt out at anytime.

Regardless - if I didn't think this brush would be the best "high end" value of ANY brush created to date... I would not be involved, or heading up this project. After implementing the SMF 1 brush - I had vowed not to do it again... but after I stumbled on this potential gem - I simply could not help but spearhead this project.

The custom maker will be working on the prototype this week.... so in a matter of a week or two, we all may be laying eyes on this beauty for the first time!

[Austin]

Joel, can I get mine made with corrinthian leather to match my 1975 Chrysler Cordoba. :biggrin:

[rtaylor61]

Joel, can I get mine made with corrinthian leather to match my 1975 Chrysler Cordoba. :biggrin:

Is that the Cordovan with matching vinyl landau top?

Randy

[Austin]

Is that the Cordovan with matching vinyl landau top?

Randy

That's the one. :w00t:

[joel]

Joel, can I get mine made with corrinthian leather to match my 1975 Chrysler Cordoba. :biggrin:

You pay the extra $ and if the leather can be sourced - you bet you can.... seriously.

[soulshine]

thanks for taking this on joel. mighty fine of ya!!

s~s

[SSLStudio]

And why didnt anyone tell me about this ? am I being ignored again !

You all know im the B&B 's BIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGEST FAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:a50:

I outta punish you punks .... ! :a53:

I can understand why Joel didnt say anything I just had a hit on my bankaccount of the BK8 ...BUT since I was looking for another brush a bit more timid knotsize wise 26mm is too GRANDEUR for me.. Im so F..** G excited
23/24mm that would be the perfect size for me.

I dont see Customs would be a problem all the stuff I have imported thru ebay over the last 5 years and I paid zero on Customs even as I speak I have a boat load of Cologne comming in Aqua di Gio , Karl Lagerfeld EDT , its just if you have a cool seller you can always get away with it.. only thing more complicated is getting it here insured because then you have to insure it for a certain value and customs will always see the value and try to tax you on it but I think $100 is too little for customs doing the paperwork would render it useless. I do think this brush is so unique it should be send insured even within usa I dont think the $100 Joel mentions includes shipping.

have to PM-.

[NYLaw]

Joel... This thing sounds tremendous... That blonde wood/chrome/horn combo is so appealing!

(I'm also extremely impressed with the speed that you're moving on this. Amazing, man!)

[Nitrox]

Thanks Joel, this is getting more exciting by the day. :)

[EnGarde]

This is a great idea!!! PM sent from the new guy. :w00t:

[xChris]

Finally saw this post, and I'm looking forward to seeing the real deal... PM sent to you, Joel, to add me to the list for a "fully loaded" brush (I hope there's still room!?!?!?! :eek: :biggrin: )

[tosolg]

Joel,I too am very intrested in this B&B Brush TOSOLG

[Dinder1]

Hey Joel, count me in! and thanks again for all the great info on the PJ2, sounds like a hell of a brush, but like you said a simpson can be had any time, but how often can you get a hand crafted work of art like the B&B brush!
Cheers, DJ.
PM sent.

[ameetmedi]

PM sent

[aldouspfc]

Sounds good, PM Sent.

Cheers.

[Sfox7076]

You guys have all been so welcoming and now a brush is being made too! I already sent you a PM Joel, but wanted to thank you for all the work in the open as well.

Shawn

[Suzuki]

This sounds great - I've just upgraded from my Omega to a Vulfix pure badger and have a Saville Row travel brush on order, so I think there's room for something a little more upscale in my collection...

Thanks for all the hard work - I'm looking forward to seeing pictures of the prototype.

[madmedic]

How long....I am struggling not to buy another brush as the B&B bruch will probably br the best option....but it would need to be quick!!!


Impatiently yours
Brian

[joel]

The word is - I'll see a prototype sometime this week.

[Jonnybc]

The word is - I'll see a prototype sometime this week.

MARVELLOUS!!

[soulshine]

very cool....

s~s

[RWelch76]

Yep, that's niiiiiiice, as SBAD is raging, but I've also got the CAD to keep me occupied (Cologne AD).

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Can't wait to see this beaut

[MJB]

Don't leave me out. I PM'd.

MJB

[EnGarde]

Any news on the latest on what the latest on the timeframe of this brush? I am dying to make a brush purchase. My $5 Burma Shave brush is ready to go...

:w00t:

[joel]

Wow.... so the prototype arrived... but I am not going to post pictures. Basically it was not even remotely in line with the previous sketches etc, and suffice to say I was awfully dissapointed. I am going to kick this around a bit and see if I/we can't make it work - but the initial prototype was a major let down.

[JAG]

Hi Joel:

Too bad.

I would think that your supplier would have no problem creating exactly what you specified except perhaps for keeping it within the USD100 neighbourhood.

Maybe we could survey members for their ranking of features (physical - size, hair type, dense/loose etc; functional - what the hell do I know about funtion? I'm the new guy here!; aesthetic - handle material, engraving, jewels etc.). Am I talking about a Likert scale? (definitely 1 . . 2 . .3 maybe something like it . . . 4 . . . 5 no Bob, you have no idea what you're talking about)

Given this find out exactly what the artisan can accomodate.

Just a thought.

Another thought, "Thanks for all the work you do here including this project"

And one more, "Have a grand celebration for the 4th!"

Cheers,
Bob

BTW: I had my first shave with my new C&E Badger this morning (bought after all the recommendations from yourself and others here). It was also my first use of any brush. Just awesome!

The Almond Oil Cream just about had me laughing out loud it was sooo unexepectedly wonderful when I cracked open the jar.

Many Thanks

[Kyle]

Well TURDS and DOUBLE TURDS (Caddyshack anyone?) on the brush news.

JAG, congrats to you on the enjoyable first shave. Try to stop smiling and feeling your face so much or the neighbors will begin to talk.:biggrin:

[HlSheppard]

Well TURDS and DOUBLE TURDS (Caddyshack anyone?) on the brush news.

JAG, congrats to you on the enjoyable first shave. Try to stop smiling and feeling your face so much or the neighbors will begin to talk.:biggrin:

"SPALDING!!! You'll have nothing and like it!!"

<referring to the brush> :crying:

[MJB]

Wow.... so the prototype arrived... but I am not going to post pictures. Basically it was not even remotely in line with the previous sketches etc, and suffice to say I was awfully dissapointed. I am going to kick this around a bit and see if I/we can't make it work - but the initial prototype was a major let down.
You know that makes me even more confident that when the thing is ready to go we can join in with the utmost confidence. Thanks so much for the committment to your ideals.

MJB

[AceHarddrive]

Sounds great to me, Joel! PM sent!

C'yas!
~Tim :cool:

[hedliniv]

Any further news?
Are you checking out a new vendor?
or is this great idea fading away.......

[Justso]

boy this thread got quiet..

....cricket chirping....

chirp, chirp, chirp..:confused:

[Dinder1]

I think that Joel has been in the process of moving to a new house?
Cheers, DJ.

[AceHarddrive]

I'd like to know if the B&B brush (assuming it does get created) will be suited to Method Shaving?

~Tim :cool:

[joel]

Long long story short..... the prototype that I was sent was totally unacceptable (I am thinking about posting pics of just how awful it was) and it performed medeocre at best. When I raised my concerns I got some "oh sure I can change it" - then a few days later - he backed out of the project. I am in the process of coming up with an alternative option, however I didn't want to mention it, or get anyone too bummed (or excited) in case this new potential option falls through as well. If this doesn't come through, I think I am just going to setup a group buy on acustom plisson Euro-Whites, and try to get them for about $100-120 shipped.

[Austin]

Joel, Plisson is starting to sound good to me.

[Dinder1]

Plisson sounds good to me.:001_smile
Cheers, DJ.

[Jonnybc]

Yeah, me too. I don't own a Plisson yet but I'll be off to France next month so things might change.

[Rik]

Long long story short..... the prototype that I was sent was totally unacceptable (I am thinking about posting pics of just how awful it was) and it performed medeocre at best. When I raised my concerns I got some "oh sure I can change it" - then a few days later - he backed out of the project. I am in the process of coming up with an alternative option, however I didn't want to mention it, or get anyone too bummed (or excited) in case this new potential option falls through as well. If this doesn't come through, I think I am just going to setup a group buy on acustom plisson Euro-Whites, and try to get them for about $100-120 shipped.
I'd be curious to see pics of the prototype compared to what we sent him. The Plisson route would probably end up being much less of a head to manage.

[AJS]

Shame about the prototype failing to meet our required standards, the concept drawings were excellent. I too would be interested to see how the prototype turned out. When this idea was first mentioned, Joel said that the brushmaker in question made $1000 brushes, any chance of seeing some pics of these? Or maybe getting the manufactureres contact details now he is no longer involved with the B&B brush. I would be interested to see what a $1000 shaving brush looks like.

[Sfox7076]

Sorry to hear that the person was horrible too. But, well, C'est la vie. Let me know about the group buy.

[Suzuki]

Plisson sounds good to me - almost bought the black pure badger a couple of weeks ago, but bought a little Simpsons "Rover" instead. I'd be interested in a group buy - possibly Plisson could put a B&B stamp or something else on the handle to distinguish the brush.

[JAG]

Joel:

First let me acknowledge the effort you've already put in even though it seems to have come to naught.

My first brush purchase was a C&E Pure Badger. It was made after reading all your reviews and the advice of many members here. I'm exceptionally happy with that purchase and grateful for the help.

I know nothing about Plisson brushes. I'm wondering if you might do a review or start a thread wherein the collective wisdom can accumulate.

It would be nice to have some kind of idea of what it would be like but I've come to trust the judgment of the veterans here and I like surprises. . . :smile:

Bob

[joel]

Joel:

First let me acknowledge the effort you've already put in even though it seems to have come to naught.

My first brush purchase was a C&E Pure Badger. It was made after reading all your reviews and the advice of many members here. I'm exceptionally happy with that purchase and grateful for the help.

I know nothing about Plisson brushes. I'm wondering if you might do a review or start a thread wherein the collective wisdom can accumulate.

It would be nice to have some kind of idea of what it would be like but I've come to trust the judgment of the veterans here and I like surprises. . . :smile:

Bob


Plisson's really aren't that great... they aren't my first or second choice. First choice was the ful custom forum sketch brush, second choice is something I am working on right now (don't want to get into depth in case it too falls through) and theird choice is the Plisson.

[Dinder1]

Shavemac?
Cheers, DJ.

[slcsteve]

Plisson's really aren't that great... snip

Hmm! Now there's an interesting statement. Care to elaborate?

[NYLaw]

Joel,

I don't own any Plissons so I have no frame of reference, but if (BIG IF) we go that route, why not aim for a the High Mountain Plisson (best of what some consider the best?)?

Is it just too unlikely that we'll get a great price on the HMW, even in a group buy?

Echoing what others have said, it's very cool of you put all this effort in for the rest of the crew here!

-Ben

[Jonnybc]

Joel,

I don't own any Plissons so I have no frame of reference, but if (BIG IF) we go that route, why not aim for a the High Mountain Plisson (best of what some consider the best?)?

Is it just too unlikely that we'll get a great price on the HMW, even in a group buy?

Echoing what others have said, it's very cool of you put all this effort in for the rest of the crew here!

-Ben

Don't they cost in the region of $250?

[joel]

Joel,

I don't own any Plissons so I have no frame of reference, but if (BIG IF) we go that route, why not aim for a the High Mountain Plisson (best of what some consider the best?)?

Is it just too unlikely that we'll get a great price on the HMW, even in a group buy?

Echoing what others have said, it's very cool of you put all this effort in for the rest of the crew here!

-Ben

HMW's START at around $250-300, and can easily cost over $500. Even with a group buy, we are still talking about a lot of money. I have had (and currently have) a few HMW's and Euro Whites, and I can honestly the difference between the HMW and the Euro White is not enough to warrant a 10% price increase, let alone 200+%

[joel]

Hmm! Now there's an interesting statement. Care to elaborate?

For the high cost of the "high end" versions of Plissons - I feel they are inferior (all things considered) to other high end options, IE Savile Row Silvertips, Simpsons, Shavemacs, even.... yes.... Rooney.

[AJS]

If the forum brush is still a viable proposition, how about Thomas Anthony Company? They have recieved a lot of positive feedback on SMF and SRP, the brushes and sets are absolutely gorgeous and the owner is knowledgeable and seems to be extremely helpful. I know Joel said he is working on a couple of options, so I hope I am not stepping on anyones toes, just thought I would put it out there and see what you think.

EDIT:
Heres the link to their store http://stores.ebay.com/Thomas-Anthony-Company_W0QQsspagenameZL2QQtZkm
Heres some pictures of their previous work http://ca.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/london276/my_photos

[drP]

For the high cost of the "high end" versions of Plissons - I feel they are inferior (all things considered) to other high end options, IE Savile Row Silvertips, Simpsons, Shavemacs, even.... yes.... Rooney.

Because of the somewhat "mythical" aspects attributed to Plisson brushes given their difficult availability and indeed extremely high prices, they MUST be of extremely high quality (of course...:biggrin: ); indeed they are, but imo way overpriced as compared to Savile Rows f.i., which badger hair is extremely well and which construction is as good as that of Plisson, if not better imo.

BTW: Plisson happens to manufacture very cheap looking brushes with ugly plastic handles in their lower priced array; i won't even consider to purchase such a brush.

Plisson can afford themselves ( or Vikum Diffusion if you will..) to keep the prices of their brushes so extremely high, knowing that there are allways people ( like myself:biggrin: ) willing to pay a very high price for a relatively rare product.

From this view, Plisson will deliberately maintain their "autistic" marketing (huh???:w00t: ) strategy (huh?:w00t: )

Peter

[rustyblade]

I'm sorry, but am I the only one that thought that prototype brush drawing was ugly? It looked garish, and the fact you could get baubles glued on to it could made it even worse (read: bedazzler). I can see the classic barbershop inspiration in it, and I can appreciate that , but I think in in your hand it would be even uglier than the drawing.

The SMF I brush (designed by Joel) was much nicer and very classy. The SMF II brush was also very nice.

[Charley Schneider]

I think it will be awsome, and i would appreciate being put on your list Joel.

Thanks Charley

[moses]

Kinda curious, but I never saw the drawings, so I don't know. I do concur that the SMF I is a great looking brush (in photos, anyway - not lucky enough to have one in person).

[Kyle]

Kinda curious, but I never saw the drawings, so I don't know. I do concur that the SMF I is a great looking brush (in photos, anyway - not lucky enough to have one in person).
The picture is on the second page of this thread, or you can click here. (http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showpost.php?p=29548&postcount=31) I'm not sure where Richard is getting the idea about the baubles.

[rustyblade]

The picture is on the second page of this thread, or you can click here. (http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showpost.php?p=29548&postcount=31) I'm not sure where Richard is getting the idea about the baubles.



pending on the cost of materials some of the options may be small additional add on fee's - like for example, the seperators might be a few extra dollars, or possbly a certain type of more precious/rare wood/amber/etc may be an additional bump if so desired. The REALLY neat thing about these brushes is that due to the materials used, EVERY single brush, REGARDLESS of the options will look markedly different from one another, so each one is a work of art in its own right. When you throw in some of the options that may potentially be added (EX: custom initials and such with semi precious stones) or copper seperators, etc - each one will really have a character of its own - which I personally think is the bee's knees.

Well, maybe I exaggerated that point, but I still think the design is fugly and I don't see how copper rings or rare woods would change that. How would the Badger & Blade initials be inscribed? The Badger? There is also something wrong with the twirled handle. I'm not trolling here, just pointing it out. Since this brush is a no-go anyway, I just thought I would point it out. I wouldn't rain on anyones parade if this brush was a go.

I agree being different is good, but not if it's ugly.

Take a look at Kent BK brushes and tell me it's not beautiful, yet different from the others.

[TraderJoe]

http://badgerandblade.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=2698


I think its sharp. It reminds me/is somewhat akin to the handle of a medieval sword.

Count me in too.

[Kyle]

Goodness, Richard. I'm sorry that this brush design has left such a negative impact on you.

[slcsteve]

:thumbdown.....Just too garish for my tastes. Form and function can co-exist in an item like a shaving brush.

[Justso]

kyle,

i love the design and i want to see it come to fruition

[Tito]

Maybe a design contest and then a democratic vote is in order? I'm sure there has to be some artists or creatives on board here.

[Phog Allen]

Because of the somewhat "mythical" aspects attributed to Plisson brushes given their difficult availability and indeed extremely high prices, they MUST be of extremely high quality (of course...:biggrin: ); indeed they are, but imo way overpriced as compared to Savile Rows f.i., which badger hair is extremely well and which construction is as good as that of Plisson, if not better imo.

BTW: Plisson happens to manufacture very cheap looking brushes with ugly plastic handles in their lower priced array; i won't even consider to purchase such a brush.

Plisson can afford themselves ( or Vikum Diffusion if you will..) to keep the prices of their brushes so extremely high, knowing that there are allways people ( like myself:biggrin: ) willing to pay a very high price for a relatively rare product.

From this view, Plisson will deliberately maintain their "autistic" marketing (huh???:w00t: ) strategy (huh?:w00t: )

Peter

Hello Peter. Well said. You do realise that you are now squarely challenging the brush gurus who just know that their umpteen dollar brushes are completely superior to all others? :lol: :lol:

After seeing MANY reviews by Joel, yourself, and others who actually have owned/tested these alledgedly rare brushes, I would have to pass on one. Hey, I'm a buy what you like and ENJOY it type of person so no one who's suggested these Plissons should get the idea that I'm hammering them. I'm not. I've just noticed that almost every time I've seen someone post about buying one of these $$$ brushes, there's almost a letdown that these things are just...well, brushes. They may be nice, in fact super nice, but I have yet to see anyone who's actually owned one say that it is markeldly superior to their $125 Shavemac or Savile Row Silvertip. I know, some want the "rare" factor. A very legitimate point. However, for me it comes down to the fact that if I'm going to drop $400-500 on a brush, you can bet that I'm goint to contact Simpson's or Plisson directly and pay through the nose for the custom brush that I want. If they even do such things. Just .02(and it's probably not worth that).

Regards, Todd

[Gatorade]

Well, maybe I exaggerated that point, but I still think the design is fugly and I don't see how copper rings or rare woods would change that. How would the Badger & Blade initials be inscribed? The Badger? There is also something wrong with the twirled handle. I'm not trolling here, just pointing it out. Since this brush is a no-go anyway, I just thought I would point it out. I wouldn't rain on anyones parade if this brush was a go.

I agree being different is good, but not if it's ugly.

Take a look at Kent BK brushes and tell me it's not beautiful, yet different from the others.

That was my thinking as well. I liked the logo and the etched name along the top rim but other than that I thought it was way over the top, but kept my thought out so as to not diminish the excitement. It doesn't remind me of a sword.

[Kyle]

Gents,
As the "artist" that drew this picture/design, I realize that no design will ever please everyone. I certainly have no problem with the fact that some of you don't like it. I do wish, however, that while voicing your disgust for the design, you would be a little bit more tactful/gentlemanly and keep in mind that I too have feelings.

[Dinder1]

I for one appreciate Kyle and Joel's efforts on this project, not everyone will love the end result, but then again who is putting all the effort into a project that we all will enjoy for years to come if we choose to participate in the purchase of a B&B brush. I would like to thank you guys for your efforts on this project ,brush or no brush.
Cheers, DJ.

[Gatorade]

Gents,
As the "artist" that drew this picture/design, I realize that no design will ever please everyone. I certainly have no problem with the fact that some of you don't like it. I do wish, however, that while voicing your disgust for the design, you would be a little bit more tactful/gentlemanly and keep in mind that I too have feelings.

I think it it was like someone took the lid off and thoughts came pouring out. There are some things that I really like about it as I said. I guess it seems that the combination of the twist and the round section might be too much. Perhaps lengthen the twist and go straight to the endcap. Or lengthen the round section and go with a short, straight transition to the knot. Of course that may look too close to SMF I.

Also keep in mind it wasn't the handle that some mentioned but the addition of jewels or the like that made it seem.... I don't know.... like something from a carnival. The handle is strong, masculine and solid and while the idea of the metal base is I think great, however too much can be a bad thing.

I just felt like everyone was drinking the Koolaid and not much constructive critisim going on. So, I won't buy the brush in it's current state but would consider it in another design. However if the majority like it the way it is then order up and I will look for the next one to come down the line.

[AJS]

Found this (http://cgi.ebay.com/104301-JOHN-HARDY-Silver-and-Palm-Wood-Shaving-Brush_W0QQitemZ300011218381QQihZ020QQcategoryZ1104 56QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) on ebay. The handle has a similiar design to the B&B concept. What do you all think?

[Kyle]

Found this (http://cgi.ebay.com/104301-JOHN-HARDY-Silver-and-Palm-Wood-Shaving-Brush_W0QQitemZ300011218381QQihZ020QQcategoryZ1104 56QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) on ebay. The handle has a similiar design to the B&B concept. What do you all think?
Cool!

[Jonnybc]

Found this (http://cgi.ebay.com/104301-JOHN-HARDY-Silver-and-Palm-Wood-Shaving-Brush_W0QQitemZ300011218381QQihZ020QQcategoryZ1104 56QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) on ebay. The handle has a similiar design to the B&B concept. What do you all think?

Very nice looking brush. I wonder what it'd cost with some top quality badger in it...

[Dinder1]

That palm wood looks great, but I am not crazy about the glitter though.
Cheers, DJ.

[AJS]

That palm wood looks great, but I am not crazy about the glitter though.
Cheers, DJ.

I agree, I think that this particular brush is a bit too ornate. I just thought it would be interesting to see how everyone reacted to the spiral handle.
Of course, I was the only person who liked there $225 shaving bowl, but they don't ship to the UK.:frown:

[Tito]

Gents,
As the "artist" that drew this picture/design, I realize that no design will ever please everyone. I certainly have no problem with the fact that some of you don't like it. I do wish, however, that while voicing your disgust for the design, you would be a little bit more tactful/gentlemanly and keep in mind that I too have feelings.

Kyle,

I can totally sympathize with you. In my former life I worked in the ad & design industry for a good number of years. I quickly learned that feelings got trampled with no regard to the people they're attached to. You're either the hero or the baffoon. It sucks to put in the time, the effort, and the little bit of yourself into a project only to have others not appreciate your effort. That's also why the good firms put together teams and did not try to pit individuals against one another. Artistic egos bruise easily!

That being said I thought the brush design was fine. If anybody thinks that their input could help then maybe they should offer to pitch in. These projects are hard enough without people chiming in with their 2 cents. And there is a big difference between opinions and constructive criticism.

And Kyle once again I'm blown away at how much you contribute to the group.

Thanks

[fuerein]

I like the spiral, as for the metal accents they would be a lot more acceptable if they were just solid bands. I think that could look nice.

[rustyblade]

See, now that brush has a nice twist to it. Yes, the metal bits are OTT, so remove them. Then you would have a very simple yet elegant brush. A prototype would be needed to make sure it feels good in the hand.

[AJS]

Very nice looking brush. I wonder what it'd cost with some top quality badger in it...

Someone could buy one and get Shavemac to rebristle it.

[rtaylor61]

Kyle,

I don't believe that I have made any disparaging remarks about the brush, but if I have, I apologize. I know you have feelings. I've seen the commercial. Now remind me, are you "mango salsa" or "no appetite"? :lol:

Randy

[AceHarddrive]

Randy, if I'm not mistaken, I think Kyle is the "mango salsa" caveman!

~Tim :cool:

Now remind me, are you "mango salsa" or "no appetite"? :lol:

Randy

[Kyle]

Kyle,

I don't believe that I have made any disparaging remarks about the brush, but if I have, I apologize. I know you have feelings. I've seen the commercial. Now remind me, are you "mango salsa" or "no appetite"? :lol:

Randy
Thank you Randy, and I will have the roast duck with mango salsa.:biggrin:

[Nick]

I don't have much of an appetite, thank you.

http://www.tubespot.com/pics/geico-cavemen.jpg

-Nick

[Rik]

Cool!
Personally Kyle, I like your design much better.

[Justso]

I agree with Rik. I like the original design Kyle, and that design has my money on it if it comes to life.

Keep up the great work caveman :wink:

[Kyle]

While the first attempt to get this brush made did not work out, we still have a couple of gents working some different angles on it. I don't believe that it is the right time to get overly excited about it just yet, but I wanted you gents to know that the idea has not been abandoned just yet.

[TraderJoe]

While the first attempt to get this brush made did not work out, we still have a couple of gents working some different angles on it. I don't believe that it is the right time to get overly excited about it just yet, but I wanted you gents to know that the idea has not been abandoned just yet.

glad to hear it, the C&E super I use every day is getting boring.

[ScaredSafety]

Great news, that the brush idea is still in the air! Being new here, I was really excited to hear some creative and engineering minds toying with form and function in a shaving brush.

Kyle, as a Graphic Arts and Design major, I totally appreciate the hard work and thought that went into your design. I know what it's like to pour yourself into a design, only to get mixed reactions. Just to put in my piece, there were some pluses and minuses to the design, but it's a place to start. And really like the idea of metal bands separating the different elements. From what I've read on this thread so far, this seems like a collaborative effort, so I'll start working on some design ideas. Again, kudos Kyle on the sketch!

I currently work with computers all day, but anytime I have a chance to use my God-given talent to design, I jump at it.

BTW, thanks to all the members who've been so welcoming in my first few days here at B&B!!!:001_rolle

[mrob]

Kyle,

I can totally sympathize with you. In my former life I worked in the ad & design industry for a good number of years. I quickly learned that feelings got trampled with no regard to the people they're attached to. You're either the hero or the baffoon. It sucks to put in the time, the effort, and the little bit of yourself into a project only to have others not appreciate your effort. That's also why the good firms put together teams and did not try to pit individuals against one another. Artistic egos bruise easily!

That being said I thought the brush design was fine. If anybody thinks that their input could help then maybe they should offer to pitch in. These projects are hard enough without people chiming in with their 2 cents. And there is a big difference between opinions and constructive criticism.

And Kyle once again I'm blown away at how much you contribute to the group.

Thanks

I would second everything said above, especially the last sentence.

I too have been on the short end of this kind of design process--newsletters and such--and while we may *try* to keep our egos out of it, its really tough not to have your feelings hurt by critical comments, no matter their well meaning intentions.

I'm sure that no one intended to hurt anyone's feelings, least of all Kyle's, but its a good lesson on being somewhat prudent when posting our opinions. We do want B&B to remain a gentlemen's board--which doesn't mean we need to pussyfoot around when expressing our views, but it is worth remembering that there is a person on the other end of every one of our comments.

Its always good to think if you would be willing to say what you've posted to someone's face before you hit "Submit Reply."

[Webro]

Sounds great.Just what we all have been waiting for.

Alan

[stropmegently]

I would second everything said above, especially the last sentence.

I too have been on the short end of this kind of design process--newsletters and such--and while we may *try* to keep our egos out of it, its really tough not to have your feelings hurt by critical comments, no matter their well meaning intentions.

I'm sure that no one intended to hurt anyone's feelings, least of all Kyle's, but its a good lesson on being somewhat prudent when posting our opinions. We do want B&B to remain a gentlemen's board--which doesn't mean we need to pussyfoot around when expressing our views, but it is worth remembering that there is a person on the other end of every one of our comments.

Its always good to think if you would be willing to say what you've posted to someone's face before you hit "Submit Reply."

I totally agree. I think that by giving our responses the appropriate thought before hitting submit. As well, by giving constructive feedback, the results are better, both by showing respect of the contributer and by bettering the end product. That, IMO, is not "pussyfooting" but is responding in an articulate and mature manner conducive to what a thoughtful adult should do (is a great example to children as well).

I have been lurking on another board and feel "safer" posting here. The responses, by and large, are more supportive and friendly. I like the healthy debates I have seen and participated in. I have disagreed and agreed with others viewpoints. If I have found my viewpoint to be particularly different from of the discussions, I usually will just withold my comments so as not to get into a pi**ing contest.

Thanks again for such a great place to be a member of and, I LOVE THE BRUSH. I hope it does not come to fruition for a while though, since I can't buy anything for a few months (SWMBO will KILL me :mad: ).

Take care and thanks to all,

Darren

[Suzuki]

That palm wood looks great, but I am not crazy about the glitter though.
Cheers, DJ.

All I can think of is that this would be the "after" on a "Pimp my Brush" reality show.

I like the twist (but not sure how comfortable this would be to use), but not the bling, which would also likely be great at collecting soapscum/dirt.

[rustyblade]

All I can think of is that this would be the "after" on a "Pimp my Brush" reality show.

Thank you for your honest opinion. This was my view also and I got labelled as a big fun-killing meanie who doesn't care for people's feelings.

[NYLaw]

Been a while since I posted on this thing... Just re-visted the pic of the proposed brush. I'd be proud to own it... It's a cool reminder of being a member of this board... I truly hope it shapes up in some way!

[srk1103]

Sounds like a beautiful brush. Can't wait to see some photos of it

[Justso]

Is there any update on the B&B Brush project? Is this dead?

[joel]

Is there any update on the B&B Brush project? Is this dead?

Funny you should mention it today!

Bad news... and good news....

Bad News - the intial plan/idea had to be scrapped, as we just could not find anyone who could build it to spec (in a high quality manner) at ANY price. Since then we have been scouring high and low investigting possibilities for the forum brush, we want something special/one of a kind, tremendously high quality - and an outstanding value.

Good News - We have one solid commitment from a major manufacturer (no further details will be mentioned at this point until we filter all of the info, and the development team decides which route is the best) to make our forum an OUTSTANDING shaving brush with a new grade/quality of hair that has not been experienced by the masses as of yet - it is a new "ultra high end" grade of bader hair) All at a special price to us.... for $105. Outstanding value at less than 1/3 the cost of the offering that is available to the "public."

We are also investigating 2 other options, one of which a genuine horn razor, brush and shave bowl, complete with stands and such.

It's been quite a long journey.... but ideally i'd like to have a solid commitment, and have us ready to proceed on ONE of the options by the end of next week - at the latest.

Stay tuned... as something is gonna happen... and soon!

[dszpiro]

Hi Joel,

This is a wonderful update. Thanks for all of the effort!

Cheers,

[joel]

Hi Joel,

This is a wonderful update. Thanks for all of the effort!

Cheers,

Thank John (letterk) as he has been the "Project Manager" if you will :biggrin:

[Mr.Benn]

Sounds most intriguing, Joel. I, for one, would definitely be interested in purchasing the B&B brush.

[Chagidiel]

Sounds most intriguing, Joel. I, for one, would definitely be interested in purchasing the B&B brush.

I second that, feel a need for a B&B brush :biggrin:

[moses]

I am most in favor, I think, of the new and different hair. Everyone here is just so into different hairs and stuff, the chance to try something different for such a low price is just too much.... :biggrin:

Any thoughts about what the nature of the hair is? Stiffish like Rooney Finest/Plisson/High end Simpsons? Or what? I know, this kind of question is probably annoying at this stage, but hey ;)

[JohnP]

Joel, count me in as well.
John P.

[boboakalfb]

Thanks to John (Letterk) and everyone else working on this project...can't wait for the details...

[tam.audio]

Joel and/or John,

Are there any plans for how to purchase this brush? I recall you had people send PMs at one point. Since the first plan was scrapped will purchasing be restructured as well?

Thanks

[castlecraver]

The thought of having an elegant B&B forum brush on my shelf does not excite me in the least. I am in no way tempted to scramble towards my platinum card in the hope of obtaining one of these completely unexciting brushes. The prospect of heretofore unheard of quality badger hair seems frivolous to me and hardly gives me the urge to scream "I WANT ONE NOW" at the top of my lungs. I am entirely uncaring as to the expeditiousness with which additional information on this brush is made available to us.

[Austin]

The thought of having an elegant B&B forum brush on my shelf does not excite me in the least. I am in no way tempted to scramble towards my platinum card in the hope of obtaining one of these completely unexciting brushes. The prospect of heretofore unheard of quality badger hair seems frivolous to me and hardly gives me the urge to scream "I WANT ONE NOW" at the top of my lungs. I am entirely uncaring as to the expeditiousness with which additional information on this brush is made available to us.

So what are you saying? :biggrin:

[boboakalfb]

So what are you saying? :biggrin:
Happy Opposite Day...he will take one for sure...

[letterk]

Joel and/or John,

Are there any plans for how to purchase this brush? I recall you had people send PMs at one point. Since the first plan was scrapped will purchasing be restructured as well?

Thanks

Details will be released (hopefully) next week. It will include some form of PM. No PMs yet! Wait for it...

[joel]

The thought of having an elegant B&B forum brush on my shelf does not excite me in the least. I am in no way tempted to scramble towards my platinum card in the hope of obtaining one of these completely unexciting brushes. The prospect of heretofore unheard of quality badger hair seems frivolous to me and hardly gives me the urge to scream "I WANT ONE NOW" at the top of my lungs. I am entirely uncaring as to the expeditiousness with which additional information on this brush is made available to us.

No worries - we'll put you on the "not buying" list :biggrin: :lol:

[jduffy]

The thought of having an elegant B&B forum brush on my shelf does not excite me in the least. I am in no way tempted to scramble towards my platinum card in the hope of obtaining one of these completely unexciting brushes. The prospect of heretofore unheard of quality badger hair seems frivolous to me and hardly gives me the urge to scream "I WANT ONE NOW" at the top of my lungs. I am entirely uncaring as to the expeditiousness with which additional information on this brush is made available to us.

How did you like the play Mrs. Lincoln?

[castlecraver]

Uugh. And I was so worried you all wouldn't get my verbose attempt at sarcasm. Now I can't tell if you're kidding me back or not. Teach me to be clever... sorry...:tongue_sm

[Austin]

Uugh. And I was so worried you all wouldn't get my verbose attempt at sarcasm. Now I can't tell if you're kidding me back or not. Teach me to be clever... sorry...:tongue_sm

It's all in jest.

[Scorpio]

I have been itching to pull the trigger on a new brush and the B&B brush might be the one. Please keep us advised. Thanks to all who are involved in this project.

Rafael

[catatonic]

If all is a go, let me know!

[birchhook]

The thought of having an elegant B&B forum brush on my shelf does not excite me in the least. I am in no way tempted to scramble towards my platinum card in the hope of obtaining one of these completely unexciting brushes. The prospect of heretofore unheard of quality badger hair seems frivolous to me and hardly gives me the urge to scream "I WANT ONE NOW" at the top of my lungs. I am entirely uncaring as to the expeditiousness with which additional information on this brush is made available to us.

I think I need to print this out and post it above my desk, so I can recite it daily over the next few weeks.

Or maybe I just need to chant "I don't need the B&B brush and I don't want the B&B brush. I don't need the B&B brush and I don't want the B&B brush. I don't need..."

[crispy]

Can't wait to get an update on this! =)

[letterk]

Thank John (letterk) as he has been the "Project Manager" if you will :biggrin:

I prefer the tittle "Project Whipping Boy".

[Nick]

I prefer the tittle "Project Whipping Boy".
Careful what you wish for. :wink:

-Nick

[letterk]

Careful what you wish for. :wink:

-Nick

SHAZAM!

[drP]

No 104.......YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rikrdo]

Happy Leif Erikson Day !!

[seanr]

any idea on a release date and price.I'm thinking of a new brush too.

[boboakalfb]

any idea on a release date and price.I'm think of a new brush too.
John mentioned that details would hopefully be released next week...

[TraderJoe]

any idea on a release date and price.I'm thinking of a new brush too.

Partial Answer:


Funny you should mention it today!

Bad news... and good news....

Bad News - the intial plan/idea had to be scrapped, as we just could not find anyone who could build it to spec (in a high quality manner) at ANY price. Since then we have been scouring high and low investigting possibilities for the forum brush, we want something special/one of a kind, tremendously high quality - and an outstanding value.

Good News - We have one solid commitment from a major manufacturer (no further details will be mentioned at this point until we filter all of the info, and the development team decides which route is the best) to make our forum an OUTSTANDING shaving brush with a new grade/quality of hair that has not been experienced by the masses as of yet - it is a new "ultra high end" grade of bader hair) All at a special price to us.... for $105. Outstanding value at less than 1/3 the cost of the offering that is available to the "public."

We are also investigating 2 other options, one of which a genuine horn razor, brush and shave bowl, complete with stands and such.

It's been quite a long journey.... but ideally i'd like to have a solid commitment, and have us ready to proceed on ONE of the options by the end of next week - at the latest.

Stay tuned... as something is gonna happen... and soon!

[James707]

I'm new to the group. Is it to late to get in on the brush deal?

[joel]

I'm new to the group. Is it to late to get in on the brush deal?

Nope no worries - the details have not yet been released from John! :smile:

[NMMB]

Nope no worries - the details have not yet been released from John! :smile:

... and at the rate this is going, we may have to beat it out of him. :biggrin: J/K John, you are doing an incredible job with this. Thanks.

[letterk]

... and at the rate this is going, we may have to beat it out of him. :biggrin: J/K John, you are doing an incredible job with this. Thanks.

Oh, there's a whole lot of knowing and a whole lot of not telling going on right now. BUT...I'd prefer to spill the beans when I know what all of the beans are. The supplier and I have been hammering out the details over the past week and are closing in on "the" brush. Until then, go bug Joel about his new cologne (http://www.badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=7216).

[PalmettoB]

I eagerly await bean spillage!:biggrin:

[letterk]

I eagerly await bean spillage!:biggrin:

Me too!

[Suzuki]

I eagerly await bean spillage!:biggrin:

Sounds like something that happens after I eat at Taco Bell :eek:

[TraderJoe]

Sounds like something that happens after I eat at Taco Bell :eek:

http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/fart003.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

[Dinder1]

You mean Taco Hell :devil: don't you.
Cheers, DJ.

[Edcculus]

Well, I just finished reading my way through the progression of this brush. Either way, I did like your design Kyle. I guess this is a moot point since the original idea has been scrapped. I'm definately eager to see what will/has been planned for the new B&B brush. It would be really great if this was available in around late November/December. :wink2:

[letterk]

Just a slight update for you guys (and gals). You will presented with a fabulous brush buying oportunity in November from a well known manufacturer. At this time, if you're interested in the brush (from the details Joel posted a week or so ago, please PM me. This is not for pre-order, or to get on the list, or any kind of commitement. I'm just trying to get a rough count of how many people are interested.

[Jim]

From Joel's post-
Bad news... and good news....

Bad News - the intial plan/idea had to be scrapped, as we just could not find anyone who could build it to spec (in a high quality manner) at ANY price. Since then we have been scouring high and low investigting possibilities for the forum brush, we want something special/one of a kind, tremendously high quality - and an outstanding value.

Good News - We have one solid commitment from a major manufacturer (no further details will be mentioned at this point until we filter all of the info, and the development team decides which route is the best) to make our forum an OUTSTANDING shaving brush with a new grade/quality of hair that has not been experienced by the masses as of yet - it is a new "ultra high end" grade of bader hair) All at a special price to us.... for $105. Outstanding value at less than 1/3 the cost of the offering that is available to the "public."

We are also investigating 2 other options, one of which a genuine horn razor, brush and shave bowl, complete with stands and such.

It's been quite a long journey.... but ideally i'd like to have a solid commitment, and have us ready to proceed on ONE of the options by the end of next week - at the latest.

Stay tuned... as something is gonna happen... and soon!
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Thanks John!

[catatonic]

Thanks John!

I'm definately hoping that the custom idea goes through.

[letterk]

Oh, it's going through for sure.

[Jim]

2006 B&B brush announcement here (http://www.badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8042)

[jduffy]

All's well that ends well. :biggrin: