guess the new B&B brush

[usqview]

so gentleman, the word is there is a new B&B brush on its way. joel has eluded that it might be coming from the UK. i have a very strong suspicion as to what it is (well, at least what the knot will be). if i am right this will be a definite must buy brush for me.


what do you guy think it will be?

cheers,
ryan

[htownmmm]

A definite must buy!:wink:


Marty

[scoopster]

If it's an English company my guess is Rooney.

I believe Rooney worked with the SMF folks on one of their group brushes. I'm guessing Vulfix and Kent are too big to deal with us. And I'm also thinking the folks working on the brush are no longer "Simpsons sychopants" due to the quality issues so they aren't banging on Simpsons' door for a group brush.

Fun to speculate but I am not going to wager any cash dollars on this one!

[DustBow]

I can just about guarantee it's not a Rooney.

I'm guessing it's going to be from a "smaller" maker we don't hear/talk much about. Time will tell....but hopefully not too much time

[joel]

There are a lot of companies on the list..... a lot of good English companies on the list.... but you're forgetting a few :biggrin:

One hint though.... it isn't a Rooney. After what Lee Sabini did to QED Charles, I want nothing to do with the guy. (But that's another story)

[bjrn]

I don't care, I'm sure whoever makes it, it'll be a quality product. I just want it! :D

[castlecraver]

Interesting choices... personally a Vulfix, Simpsons, or Kent would be great by me. I've been in the market for all 3.

But, it would be absolutely incredible if one of the "3T's" came through. I don't know if their brushes are just rebrands (I think the Taylors = Simpsons, but not sure), but T&H particularly offers a couple really sharp looking ones.

[ScottS]

Interesting choices... personally a Vulfix, Simpsons, or Kent would be great by me. I've been in the market for all 3.

But, it would be absolutely incredible if one of the "3T's" came through. I don't know if their brushes are just rebrands (I think the Taylors = Simpsons, but not sure), but T&H particularly offers a couple really sharp looking ones.

None of the 3T's make brushes, at least anymore, so far as I know. They rebrand from the major manufacturers.

[letterk]

You guys crack me up. Do I get to vote?

[Amyn]

Forgot to add EJ to the list

[bjrn]

Wait, I changed my mind. I don't think it's an English company at all, I think it's going to be Whish (http://www.whishbody.com/products/body_brush_crystal_full.html) :lol:

[letterk]

Wait, I changed my mind. I don't think it's an English company at all, I think it's going to be Whish (http://www.whishbody.com/products/body_brush_crystal_full.html) :lol:

Well, there goes the surprise.

[bandg]

A big thank you to those involved. I look forward to purchasing and appreciate your effort. I really enjoy last year's model and am sure this will be another high quality brush. Cordially, Bradley:thumbup1:

[usqview]

..but you're forgetting a few :biggrin:


so what am i missing...?:eek:


john- heck no, you cant vote! you get the distinct pleasure of teasing us with misguided hints (since i am sure you know exactly what it is).

cheers,
ryan

[Amyn]

I would not mind a Simpsons (provided they have better QA), somehow I have to say that it will be EJ as they have worked with B&B in the past (see B&B 2006 brush)

[letterk]

so what am i missing...?:eek:


john- heck no, you cant vote! you get the distinct pleasure of teasing us with misguided hints (since i am sure you know exactly what it is).

cheers,
ryan

What if I vote incorrectly?

[bjrn]

The only I can think of that make their own are Edwin Jagger (but Joel wasn't happy about how things went last year, I think) and Men-U (synthetic B&B brush? Surely not). I think the three Ts, Harris and Salter all sell rebranded brushes.

Of course, it could very well be a non-UK company, in which case we get a few other interesting contestants (like Whish! :P).

[Padron]

Aren't Savile Rows from England?

[Amyn]

If the brush is not from an English maker how about French :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

[murchmb]

It's a very limited brush that will be made by Castle Forbes. There is an extremely rare and limited badger hunting season in the UK this year and Joel is making a quick hunting trip to the 6000 acre Forbes estate to bag a few for the forum. I hear he is taking his Dachshund, Fluffy, to flush them out. You can be assured that your brush won't shed, but there is a risk of a shot pellet or two falling out at some point.

[Boogie]

I’ve not been a member of the forums when a B&B brush was offered. I’m interested in getting a new brush anyway, and have some money in my paypal that I may want to save for this brush. Does anyone know when the announcement may be made about the brushes? And also, when the B&B brushes are ordered, is there an option to get different hair grades or handles, or is it usually one design? Sorry if I’m asking dumb questions, but if a new quality brush is in the works, I may want to hold of on any purchases so I can buy one.

[joel]

Fine... here's pics of the NEW B&B BRUSH!!!!

http://badgerandblade.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=3516

http://badgerandblade.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=3518


Ok, ok... that's not it. It was merely a pre-emptive strike on John (letterk) from the burn I provided him HERE (http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showpost.php?p=343348&postcount=22) - as I knew he's post these pictures (above) in retalliation.

He made the above pictures as a "joke" to the mods last year for the last B&B brush. The %$&&^&!!

:biggrin:

[letterk]

Joel, you're too quick for me.

[joel]

Conversation I had with John yesterday.....

Joel:
Should we show the forum pictures of the rendered B&B Proto?

John:
Absolutly not, let's really tease them and be jerks about it.


:rolleyes:
(Now everyone else hates you too John.)

[SLider]

I’ve not been a member of the forums when a B&B brush was offered. I’m interested in getting a new brush anyway, and have some money in my paypal that I may want to save for this brush. Does anyone know when the announcement may be made about the brushes? And also, when the B&B brushes are ordered, is there an option to get different hair grades or handles, or is it usually one design? Sorry if I’m asking dumb questions, but if a new quality brush is in the works, I may want to hold of on any purchases so I can buy one.

Can't speak for sure on this one Boogie, but last time there were two different handle choices (horn and ebony) and two different badger hair choices. No idea about the time line, you'll have to here from the mods on that.

[DustBow]

You could also specify if you wanted the writing printed upside down or not depending on if you used a brush holder. So there were quite a few options available.

[DustBow]

I've heard Joel is working diligently with CAR on this project.....the prototype rendering is 20 pages long and we might not understand it...:tongue:

[bjrn]

Boogie, there is some info about the B&B 2006 razor and brush here (http://wiki.badgerandblade.com/index.php/List_of_B%26B_Shaving_Products) on the wiki, with links to threads and reviews with pictures.

[usqview]

Fine... here's pics of the NEW B&B BRUSH!!!!

http://badgerandblade.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=3516

:biggrin:

so, i guess we will have to wait a few years for the silvertip model? :biggrin:

cheers,
ryan

[sadowsky]

One hint though.... it isn't a Rooney. After what Lee Sabini did to QED Charles, I want nothing to do with the guy. (But that's another story)

As a fan of Charles and a lover of gossip, where canwe find this other story?:smile:

Roger

[moses]

As a fan of Charles and a lover of gossip, where canwe find this other story?:smile:

Roger,

Chalk that one up on the list of things better not to get into again. But, if you really want to know for your own curiosity, you can figure it out with a little searching. Mostly on SMF (that's Shave My Face).

-Mo

[castlecraver]

http://badgerandblade.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=3516

Are you sure that's not actually the Queen from the new B&B Chess Set?

[letterk]

Are you sure that's not actually the Queen from the new B&B Chess Set?

Dude, Joel. Pat just called you a Queen. :biggrin:

[moses]

Are you sure that's not actually the Queen from the new B&B Chess Set?

Pat,

Congratulations, that is one of the funniest things I've read here in a long time. I gotta say though, does everyone really HAVE to keep reposting the picture in their replies..... :eek:

-Mo

[letterk]

Pat,

Congratulations, that is one of the funniest things I've read here in a long time. I gotta say though, does everyone really HAVE to keep reposting the picture in their replies..... :eek:

-Mo

OK. We'll stop.


http://badgerandblade.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=3516

Really. This time.

[scoopster]

Is this one of the shedders - or is it a model with the new and improved glue? :tongue:

Fine... here's pics of the NEW B&B BRUSH!!!!

http://badgerandblade.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=3516

http://badgerandblade.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=3518


Ok, ok... that's not it. It was merely a pre-emptive strike on John (letterk) from the burn I provided him HERE (http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showpost.php?p=343348&postcount=22) - as I knew he's post these pictures (above) in retalliation.

He made the above pictures as a "joke" to the mods last year for the last B&B brush. The %$&&^&!!

:biggrin:

[yardpup01]

After seeing pics of the brush I don't see how I could not buy it!

[johnniegold]

After seeing these pics, I ran into my bathroom to check my EJ Medium just to make sure. :wink:

[CitizenDan]

coughshavemaccough












just a guess.

[joel]

Are you sure that's not actually the Queen from the new B&B Chess Set?


YIKES! No B&B brush for you.... seriously.

:biggrin:

[WithTheGrain]

Hey Joel or John, is this new brush something that is coming out sooner rather than later? I am wondering if I should hold off on a new brush for christmas if this one is something to consider for this year. Or, is it a next year release? Any hints?

[usqview]

YIKES! No B&B brush for you.... seriously.

:biggrin:


you sound like that guy from the soup place on seinfeld. what did they call that guy?:rolleyes:

cheers,
ryan

btw- i think johns pic on the end of a brush would make for a better chess queen.

[DMac]

I voted Simpson just out of fantasy.

I'm sure whatever it is, it will be awesome!

Anxiously awaiting.......

[joel]

Hey Joel or John, is this new brush something that is coming out sooner rather than later? I am wondering if I should hold off on a new brush for christmas if this one is something to consider for this year. Or, is it a next year release? Any hints?

Hopefully it'll be shipping in December! :smile:

[usqview]

nice joel, thanks for the time line. i will start save my bottle returns now.:biggrin:

cheers,
ryan

[WithTheGrain]

Hopefully it'll be shipping in December! :smile:

Great, perfect timing for the holidays.

[Amyn]

Fine... here's pics of the NEW B&B BRUSH!!!!

http://badgerandblade.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=3516

http://badgerandblade.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=3518




That's an EJ handle for sure.
Do not know about the hair though :eek:

[murchmb]

That's an EJ handle for sure.
Do not know about the hair though :eek:

Short loft and very scrubby. :smile:

[Mottern Man]

Fine... here's pics of the NEW B&B BRUSH!!!!

http://badgerandblade.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=3516

http://badgerandblade.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=3518


Ok, ok... that's not it. It was merely a pre-emptive strike on John (letterk) from the burn I provided him HERE (http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showpost.php?p=343348&postcount=22) - as I knew he's post these pictures (above) in retalliation.

He made the above pictures as a "joke" to the mods last year for the last B&B brush. The %$&&^&!!

:biggrin:

I will not be purchasing this brush.
The knot size will be WAY too large if it can fit in Joel’s head

[scoopster]

Hey I thought we were supposed to stop inserting the picture into the posts :biggrin:

Where is a Mod when you need one to keep rampant silliness under control.

[Mottern Man]

Hey I thought we were supposed to stop inserting the picture into the posts :biggrin:

Where is a Mod when you need one to keep rampant silliness under control.

Can't help it.

Stupidity hits me like a wave and I have to act.

[guenron]

:em2700: I just wonder if it could be something from Mason-Pearson? Hmmmm? I think they are still making their own brushes?

[usqview]

:em2700: I just wonder if it could be something from Mason-Pearson?

ohps- there is one i forgot to put on the list (i keep thinking they are a french company).

nice stuff from what i have seen but i really havent read many reviews about them.

cheers,
ryan

[joel]

Why do people keep voting for Rooney?

[boboakalfb]

Why do people keep voting for Rooney?

So it's not a Rooney?

[ZiggyDeath]

Why do people keep voting for Rooney?

i guess people hope it's a rooney, but i recall that you've stated that you'd avoid doing business with that company repeatedly in different thread... /shrugs?

[scoopster]

Why do people keep voting for Rooney?
+1 I only needed to read this once to get it:

http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showpost.php?p=343284&postcount=5

[TimmyBoston]

Guys sorry to dissapoint, but we aren't going to be able to do a brush this year. The postal problems have turned out to be too much. But instead we are going to offer the special limited edition Gilette Fusion V8, the world's first 8 bladed razor! Additionally, we will be changing the site name to Badger and Blades.

[scagooch]

For me I'm hoping Kent,

[WithTheGrain]

Why do people keep voting for Rooney?

Because we vote before reading the thread which makes it clear that it isn't a rooney...:rolleyes:

[Amyn]

Guys sorry to dissapoint, but we aren't going to be able to do a brush this year. The postal problems have turned out to be too much. But instead we are going to offer the special limited edition Gilette Fusion V8, the world's first 8 bladed razor! Additionally, we will be changing the site name to Badger and Blades.

Sign me up
Are you throwing in some goo in a can with that too..:drool:

[Suzuki]

Sign me up
Are you throwing in some goo in a can with that too..:drool:

No, its going to have extra lubrication/glide strips and is designed to be used for dry shaving.

We will be including a lifetime supply of RazorLast - the miracle solution that allows you to get 100 shaves from a single cartridge!

[rtaylor61]

No, its going to have extra lubrication/glide strips and is designed to be used for dry shaving.

We will be including a lifetime supply of RazorLast - the miracle solution that allows you to get 100 shaves from a single cartridge!

I think I did that during one year of college...

Randy

[vcowman]

enquiring minds want to know:eek:

[mental]

Guys, I think I finally located top-secret pictures of the new brush... Naturally I can't reveal my sources, but at long last, here it is!

[drfred]

First dibs on the pink one!:lol: :lol:

Fred

[TorzJohnson]

Guys, I think I finally located top-secret pictures of the new brush... Naturally I can't reveal my sources, but at long last, here it is!
http://badgerandblade.com/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=12561&stc=1&d=1192949462

Fabulous!!!

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i40/8thRay/lib.jpg

[DGalt]

i'm a bit confused about what this whole "B&B brush" is - what are you all talking about :001_tt2:

[ZiggyDeath]

i'm a bit confused about what this whole "B&B brush" is - what are you all talking about :001_tt2:

some of the moderators get together and get a custom made brush available only to forum members, it's tailor made to their specifications and typically speaking has a more unique look

think of it as a limited edition brush

[cr8n]

Fabulous!!!

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i40/8thRay/lib.jpg

Good with soaps ... if you don't drop them.

[jojo]

When do the B&B brush limited buys typically get announced (assuming they're around the same time of year) and where should we look for the announcement? Thanks

[boboakalfb]

When do the B&B brush limited buys typically get announced (assuming they're around the same time of year) and where should we look for the announcement? Thanks

Don't worry...you won't miss an announcement.

[bjrn]

Since this is just the second brush, there's no typically. But Joel posted here (http://www.badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php?t=28191#post342697) that the details would probably get released in the next week or two. And that if everything goes well they'll ship in time for Christmas.

[VR6ofpain]

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/vr6ofpain/display.jpg

I am totally in for a 2007 B&B Brush. I missed the 2006.

[Isaias]

Why do people keep voting for Rooney?

cus we have faith in democracy? :out:

[VR6ofpain]

Does anyone know if this 2007 B&B brush will be priced similarly to the 2006 brush?

[papasmurf]

Good with soaps ... if you don't drop them.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[DustBow]

Does anyone know if this 2007 B&B brush will be priced similarly to the 2006 brush?


somewhere between $100 - $150
my personal guess would be $110-$120

[usqview]

somewhere between $100 - $150
my personal guess would be $110-$120



i am glad that these guys are keeping the b&b brushes down in this more doable price range. :thumbup1:

no more brushes until this one for me!

cheers,
ryan

waiting on pins and needles...

[VR6ofpain]

I might have to pick up a cheaper C&E brush tomorrow (my Tweezerman's clear coat has started to crack off and the wood is getting warped). So I figure I could spend ~$40 or less on a nice brush, then drop some real cash on this B&B brush as well.

[Padron]

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/vr6ofpain/display.jpg

I am totally in for a 2007 B&B Brush. I missed the 2006.


Any news on this brush that can be shared now?

[letterk]

Any news on this brush that can be shared now?

The protos have not shown up yet. Until then, mum's the word.

[SilkySmooth]

When will this be revealed?


==Tom

[Amyn]

The protos have not shown up yet. Until then, mum's the word.

Oh the agony:a7: :a7: ... have they been shipped and are in transit or are you waiting for them to be shipped from EJ ???

[letterk]

Oh the agony:a7: :a7: ... have they been shipped and are in transit or are you waiting for them to be shipped from EJ ???

There was a delay due to the postal strike. Outside of that, I don't have any further information. I should know more tomorrow, at least where they are.

And nice of you to throw in EJ. :lol: You shall know shortly if you are correct or not.

No more responses from me to this thread until we know more. :biggrin:

[Amyn]

There was a delay due to the postal strike. Outside of that, I don't have any further information. I should know more tomorrow, at least where they are.

And nice of you to throw in EJ. :lol: You shall know shortly if you are correct or not.

No more responses from me to this thread until we know more. :biggrin:

It was worth a shot I guess?:smile:

[Groundhog]

Oh the agony:a7: :a7: ... have they been shipped and are in transit or are you waiting for them to be shipped from EJ ???

Nice try...:biggrin: ....kinda like a tricky defense attorney..

[usqview]

so john, you are cutting us off? just like that?

feel free to pm me with the details- i wont tell.:thumbup:

waiting on pins and needles.

cheers,
ryan

[joel]

so john, you are cutting us off? just like that?

feel free to pm me with the details- i wont tell.:thumbup:

waiting on pins and needles.

cheers,
ryan

Alright - fine, it's a burmashave.

[letterk]

Alright - fine, it's a burmashave.

Yeah, but extra dense!

[Amyn]

Alright - fine, it's a burmashave.

3-band or 2-band ???

[joel]

Yeah, but extra dense!

What the heck happened to "No more responses from me to this thread until we know more." John?

What a gossip queen. :biggrin:

[letterk]

What the heck happened to "No more responses from me to this thread until we know more." John?

What a gossip queen. :biggrin:

I couldn't resist.

Darn, there I go again.

[guenron]

I couldn't resist.

Darn, there I go again.

Sheesh!

[usqview]

i knew i could get a rise out you guys!:lol:

seriously though- i wont tell...:thumbup:

i just saw the thread saying you guys are developing a less expensive starter brush also. great idea, thanks again for the hard work!

cheers,
ryan

[VR6ofpain]

We need some hints on what it will look like (or what options will be available, i.e. Horn or Ebony). Help us out!

[TENroaches]

I was just reading up on the old B&B brush, and it kept sounding better and better, hearing that it's packed so densely. Then I remembered there's a new brush coming. Any hints on how this should be different from the last one? More affordable? Maybe a step up from the last one?

Or maybe it says somewhere in here and I didn't see it. :redface:

[SilkySmooth]

Medium Rooney Style 1 in horn would be my guess.

[yomuppet]

Medium Rooney Style 1 in horn would be my guess.

He already said no Rooney ;)

J

[dojohnso]

Im betting its going to be a Savile Row......

[mental]

Im betting its going to be a Savile Row......
That's my guess as well, but only time shall tell!

[joel]

My guess is Mason Pearson.

[scoopster]

My guess is Mason Pearson.
Could it be that Joel has let the cat out of the bag?

[DustBow]

MEOW

(looks like the prototype must have arrived)

[usqview]

so... Mason Pearson...


any pics yet?

cheers,
ryan

[vcowman]

found on amazon.com, looks like my polo 8!

[rickshah]

My guess is Mason Pearson.

I actually owned that very brush a while back. It was a nice brush- I regret selling it- but it was a "pure" brush with a good amount of prickle that originally cost $100 (I got it as a gift). :eek: And make no mistake- it wasn't like Kent where they call everything "Pure" but are really silvertip... (It was a lower grade) There silvertip cost $200 (no finest or HMW- just normal silvertip)

If the brush is actually in the $100-$150 range- I wonder what the bristle would be like, considering the price range of the rest of the their brushes.

[drP]

I don't have a picture of the 2007 B&B brush, but this weekend i'll post a picture of what might become the 2008 B&B brush.......

A stunning beauty....i would call it the "She-brush"........never seen a more feminine brush before in the hands of a man: sensual, attractive, exciting, sexy, breathtaking, beautiful, appealing.......all in all the perfect "proportions". There's no equivalent on the market today, it's a reflection of bygone beauty.....keep watching this place....:biggrin:

[scoopster]

:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

Peter, I don't know whether I should thank you profusely for these hints that are being dropped or shake my fist in frustration, wanting more. I guess today I'll be a man about it and thank you profusely. :thumbup1:

Not sure about tomorrow. SBAD can make people a little bit irrational. Not that you would know anything about that.

[bjrn]

Both: Thank him in profuse frustration. ;)

[Amyn]

A stunning beauty....i would call it the "She-brush"........never seen a more feminine brush before in the hands of a man: sensual, attractive, exciting, sexy, breathtaking, beautiful, appealing.......all in all the perfect "proportions". There's no equivalent on the market today, it's a reflection of bygone beauty.....keep watching this place....:biggrin:

Dr P, that is exciting to hear. Hopefully the pics get posted before Sunday, before I leave for my travels.

[usqview]

...what might become the 2008 B&B brush.......

so, does this mean the date has been pushed back a bit? not trying to be critical, just factual. easy to understand if it has been pushed back a bit.





A stunning beauty....i would call it the "She-brush"........never seen a more feminine brush before in the hands of a man: sensual, attractive, exciting, sexy, breathtaking, beautiful, appealing.......all in all the perfect "proportions". There's no equivalent on the market today, it's a reflection of bygone beauty.....keep watching this place....:biggrin:


um... sounds provocative! i like that.... betty page of shaving brushes?:001_wub:


cheers,
ryan

[TorzJohnson]

I sure hope the handle shape will be a bit different than this. :07:

http://badgerandblade.com/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=12876&stc=1&d=1193969558

[PeteT]

Mason Who??

[joel]

It's not a Mason Pearson :biggrin:

I'm just a jerk. :001_tongu

[usqview]

I'm just a jerk. :001_tongu

jerk! :biggrin:

oh good, i still might be right. i really am thinking of a specific knot...:001_wub:


cheers,
ryan

[ucliker]

I don't really care who makes it, i mean i do but i want to know when its going to be released!

[Padron]

Any updates? It's been a couple weeks since the news first hit the presses...:smile:

My guess, a short lofted soap brush.....:biggrin:

[red2]

"Poll: what do you think will be the new B&B brush?
This poll will close on 11-17-2007 at 06:11 AM
Poll Options
what do you think will be the new B&B brush?
vulfix
rooney
simpson
kent "


hmmmm . . .

[usqview]

This poll will close on 11-17-2007 at 06:11 AM

hmmmm . . .

just an arbitrary date that i picked. i figured we would know well before the end date of the poll.

cheers,
ryan

[red2]

dag nabit. I thought I had discovered when all will be revealed. Now we're back in the dark. :frown:

[Padron]

Well, I for one can't wait to get my new 2007 B&B Rooneys Finest forum brush..:biggrin:

[TENroaches]

Well, I for one can't wait to get my new 2007 B&B Rooneys Finest forum brush..:biggrin:

I seem to be the only one who would like to know a thing or two about it before deciding to buy it.

[usqview]

I seem to be the only one who would like to know a thing or two about it before deciding to buy it.

i am sure that these guys will let us know more about the brush when they can. it sounds like the postal strike in the uk is hold it up a bit. from reading joels brush wars i would expect nothing but a top of the line brush. it will probably be unique and luxurious while maintaining a great value. i for one have it on my must buy list.

cheers,
ryan

[joel]

Ryan's got it pegged. To be honest with you - to a certain extent the manufacturer will be moot - as all that matters is performance. The brush has to look a very specific way, feel a very specific way, have a specific density, etc. We aren't saying "who" right now - as if the first proto's don't cut the mustard, or the company we are currently working with can't deliver the exact requirements, we'll move on to the next option/company.

[Must Dash]

Does that mean that I'm getting an I.O.U for Christmas?

[bjrn]

Does that mean that I'm getting an I.O.U for Christmas?Yeah, but what brand IOU!? And how dense will it be!? :tongue: