What does everybody think of Method shaving?

[CorCat87]

what is your opinions on the RMWS Method of shaving?

[atxguy]

I am doing a longer term review, but mostly on the products. I think the "method" is no different than a modified WTG, XTG, ATG 3 pass that most guys already do. Everyone has some preferences for how to go about it.

BTW guys - OP joined in this month so maybe it is an old question to some of you, but noobs might like to have the information too. I sure had questions, and couldn't find answers so I just started the review so hopefully some people could find answers there.

[maxman]

I think the cloth is interesting. It would be great for traveling.

[ZJ68]

There are some elements I have found useful.

[global_dev]

There at some elements I have found useful.

absolutely ZJ68, i agree. i have tried his hydolast products, but did not method shave quadrants... the hydrolast is very interesting in a positive way and the "mix" is very different from the lather that creams and soaps create. I liked it when i used it and wasn't any more complex than creating uberlather or the "marco" method for uber-wet loading or even the method of adding water drop by drop to a MWF loaded brush so it doesn't bubble (no need to reply to this post if you lather MWF without the hassle) ...

the method video is typical marketing video probably based on the marketing concepts of will it blend, ginsu, sham-wow, slapchop, oxi-clean, crazy eddie (fo you NY folks).

I am not recommending anyone give method a chance, but if you really want BBS without irritation, this might be a way that gets you there...

[Ptroiani]

Ok... I can't believe it is THIS THREAD again. LOL

I have remained silent the first 10 times, but I thought I would chime in now.

I watched Mr. Roberts vids, and it just does not look like something I would enjoy. Would I try it? Sure - why not. I won't know if I like it until I do. I do think, however, that it would really be a chore for me.

He has created a line of products for his 'method', and he has marketed them with the videos. Here is the genius part - I had never heard of method shaving until the rants started here, so I tuned in to check it out. Here we are talking about it again, people for, more people against.... Every time I see the thread, I see Mr. Roberts face covered in 'the mix' with that Feather blade zipping across his face. My wife even brought it up the other day because of the lather - um MIX - flopping around all over. ' you are not making a mess with that stuff... forget it'...

Marketing is a powerful thing. YouTube is a free marketing tool. When we talk about it here, for or against, we give a chance - even just a small one - for a product sale.

Although I don't THINK it is for me, I can't dismiss it before I try it out. It looks nuts on video, but I thought DE shaving in general was nuts before I tried it. I have done crazier things - look at my Avatar.... Then there was that time with the Boa constrictor in church...

The man is bold. He created a system, products to go with that system, and is attempting to form a market. Sounds like what the cart razor companies did with goo and such. They are making more than a little money - and people BUY the products.

I can't fault the Method Shaving system because I have not tried it. I can't fault the man because I don't know him and I have enough faults of my own. I can say that his presentation on YouTube is memorable... kind of like the old commercials where we still hear the jingle " BY MENNEN". ( Forgot about that, didn't you. Good luck trying to get that out of your head for the next week.)

Just my 2 cents. I know it is too much to even believe that this thread will not surface again.. SIGH.

Regards....

And remember.... " STRETCH THAT MIX" ( to the music of 'Whip It' by DEVO... LOL)


Paul

[takeshi]

what is your opinions on the RMWS Method of shaving?
Sounds like too much trouble and I'm enjoying my shaves without it. Why do the opinions of others matter? If you're interested in anything then try it for yourself. Don't rely just on reading. First hand experience matters most in determining what works for you.

[jdrum3]

I try not to think about it. It looks scary. Shaving is a relaxing and enjoyable time for me.

I definitely agree with this post! I think before you map or if you don't necessarily want to map your growth, then you can do the 3 main passes in method shaving. But, after that 3rd pass when the blade is whipping around I just want to yell "STOP!" It's strange that 1 man's products have produced so much conversation. I say, if you want to try the product, go for it, however, for me I would much rather drool over the stocked shelves at Pasteur's in NYC and try new creams/soaps/blades, etc. I enjoy my time in the morning and don't plan on speeding it up. Savor it, enjoy it, if you need to go faster, just for for SAS and not BBS!

[ZJ68]

Method shaving does not require you whip a razor across your face as fast as possible. Mantic has done a series of method shaving videos that are worth watching. Charles is simply demonstrating the extreme end of what can be done.

[cessnabird]

As a person who has tried a few of his products and met him, his shop is here in town, I must say he is a genuine guy that believes in his products. I went in looking at soaps and creams and ended up talking to him for 3 hrs about shaving in general. Is he passionate, most definitely. Are his products good, hell yes they are. Do I method shave, nope. I had him make me a wet mix just to feel the "lather" and it was scary slick, kind of like MWF but even slicker. Even after all the talk and demo, I still have no interest in method shaving. I love my brushes too much and get fantastic shaves with the products I already use. In all honesty, I asked Charles about the whole shaving fast thing. He stated if he could do the videos again, that's the one thing he would change because it has brought so much flak to method shaving. He wanted to cram the whole demo into the alotted 10 min of upload time that was available. Anyway, AGAIN I will say don't knock it until you try it. I agree the videos are nuts but I really like Charles and I will continue to give him business when I want some Trumpers, Musgo, DR Harris stuff. He has some Muele shave sets that are pretty nice too. He has so much more than just method shaving gear at the shop, he has an amazing selection of soaps, creams, and tons of aftershaves and cologne. If you're ever in Austin, check out his place. Jeremy-

[Island Dreamer]

I have no interest in it whatsoever.

[atxguy]

Method shaving does not require you whip a razor across your face as fast as possible. Mantic has done a series of method shaving videos that are worth watching. Charles is simply demonstrating the extreme end of what can be done.

Thank you. This is the good and bad of those videos. They are produced to get your attention. Apparently that worked, for good or bad.

[jwcarlson]

These threads just end up being a discussion about how crazy a bunch of people who have never used the products think the guy selling them is...
I've never talked to Mr. Roberts but I did buy the starter pack awhile back based solely on all the hatred HE gets here. It came with a nice hand written note and the invitation to call if I had any questions or wanted any advice.

His products are actually fantastic. The cloth is a simiple agave cloth I believe, cheaper elsewhere but not outrageous even from Mr. Roberts.

The soap/mix is by far, bar none the SLICKEST products I've ever used. Slicker than Arko, slicker than anything else I've used. Slick to the point where it was literally impossible to get lids off the subsequent products I needed. And the aftershave balm sample is the one I reach for whenever I fee like I might have got some irritation and you literally use a dab on your entire face. I think Luc did a pretty good review of stuff awhile back, I did a short one but sort of fizzled because, while the products are good... there's no way I'm paying some of the prices for my everyday gear.

It didn't knock Arko out of my everyday spot. But I can see where guys who struggle could find some refuge in his products.

Seriously, SLICK SLICK SLICK SLICK. I don't even know how to describe it. If you think you know slick and you haven't tried them you owe it to yourself.
I'd basically quit commenting on how slick Arko is because it's not anywhere near this stuff.

[Go West Young Man]

Don't get the products and the system confused.
Charles sells excellent products - every who's ever used them swears by the results. Not everyone finds the extra work worth the effort, but I've never heard any serious complaints about the end results.

The "Method Shaving" system is just that - a proscribed set of forms that the creator guarantees will give excellent results. Not my cup of tea, I prefer to make my own method through trial and error, but there's nothing inherently wrong with his system.

And that video everyone loves to bag on is NOT a how-to tutorial, it's a "look how far I can push my products and still get great results."

[TonyH]

In five years on B&B, I've never seen one of these threads turn out well.

Fun fact: Charles Roberts + Mantic = brothers

Both guys passionate about what they do. One guy praised to the ends of the earth for his passion, the other mocked for his obsession - generally sight unseen.

I've never tried Charles' stuff, but I've been in his shop on too many occasions to count. I guess I'm one of the odd men out but I'd be ashamed to be so insulting to someone I'd never met, about a product I've never tried.

[Brent]

I don't think I'll try Method Shaving but that's not because I think he is crazy or anything like that. My current way of shaving works for me. I can get BBS, it's relaxing and I get little/no irritation. For me there is no benefit in going to another method.

That being said, I understand some thoughts on the hesitation. Reading his dissertation I can see how he can put people off as he comes up with weird scientific terms (i.e. "Hydroplastic buffer"), makes some unusual correlations and a very unusual general approach. And we have seen his videos. He isn't perfectly clear that he's pushing the envelope (I didn't catch it the first time) so it can be off putting. But... I think I like Mantic's approach the best - it's not going to work for everyone but if your current methods aren't working well, give it a try. If it works for you, then go for it.

[jwcarlson]

In five years on B&B, I've never seen one of these threads turn out well.

Fun fact: Charles Roberts + Mantic = brothers

Both guys passionate about what they do. One guy praised to the ends of the earth for his passion, the other mocked for his obsession - generally sight unseen.

I've never tried Charles' stuff, but I've been in his shop on too many occasions to count. I guess I'm one of the odd men out but I'd be ashamed to be so insulting to someone I'd never met, about a product I've never tried.

I almost made the Mantic anology but didn't. The guy obviously loves shaving and thinks his products are the best (what salesman wouldn't?). He seems genuine and that's all you can really ask for...

Unless you're saying Mantic and Charles Roberts are actually brothers?!

[TonyH]

I almost made the Mantic anology but didn't. The guy obviously loves shaving and thinks his products are the best (what salesman wouldn't?). He seems genuine and that's all you can really ask for...

Unless you're saying Mantic and Charles Roberts are actually brothers?!

Yep. Both are great guys who I've had the pleasure of hanging out with on occasion, and both really love what they do. I don't agree with all of Mantic's techniques and Method shaving isn't for me, but neither of those circumstances are reason to bash them on a forum. Quite the opposite - without them (both of them), many of us wouldn't be here.

[beengone]

I - possibly in the minority - really appreciate this and atxgus's review thread (http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php/277805-Hydrolast-Review)going on right now. I'm relatively new, but have very nasty growth. I've adapted the traditional WTG/XTG/ATG and keep trying small changes to it to get the best results. Part of what I'm finding looks a bit like the Method patterns, though far from all. I'm a bit confused as to how this method is any less fulfilling unless one is attached to variety in scents (I'm sure Robert will get there if there's a market) and brushes. Heck, he used to recommend brushes, no? I bet one could figure out how to return to brush instead of cloth.

The other arguments have been pretty well refuted. He sells other stuff. He's pretty well documented as a nice, helpful guy. I've read many places he recommends a lot of people try traditional methods, often first. Etc. All the hubbub got me to watch the videos and I didn't get a sense of crazy, just passionate.

I'm glad so many people are answering the OP's question. For those keeping score, it was, "what is your opinions on the RMWS Method of shaving?" Many of the replies have been of real value, if only to see how people here approach shaving. But, I find it discouraging how many who shout, "YMMV!!!!!" And, "Try it out." When it comes to other items are so opposed to even a discussion of this topic.

So, thanks for asking. I look forward to more good reviews of the method and products. I'm very curious, but am unwilling to sink my cash into much of anything without having some reason to believe it might actually work. Same way with wet shaving in general for most of us. Who buys all this stuff without researching it first?

[luvmysuper]

The comments condemning people who said "In before the lock" are as off topic and no different than the comments of "In before the lock".
Neither provides information requested by the OP.

If you can't stand Method shaving and you think Charles Roberts is a lunatic , fine. State your opinion about Method Shaving not about Charles Roberts.
If you absolutely love Method Shaving and you think Charles Roberts is the next Messiah, fine. State your opinion about Method Shaving not about Charles Roberts.


Let's not make this thread about the people who like or don't like Method Shaving, or about Charles Roberts, let's just keep it about Method Shaving itself.

If you have not tried Method Shaving, then your opinion in this thread is kind of useless. That'd be like posting in a thread asking about Tabac and answering along the lines of "I've never tried it, but the color of the bowl is boring, and the name of the manufacturer is funny, so I have no interest in it."

We're not going to lock this thread, but we will be having conversations with people who can't follow basic conversational guidelines.

[TonyH]

Have ANY of the naysayers in this thread actually tried the products?

[Island Dreamer]

Sorry if I was out of line. I just have no interest in trying it. I've read about it, watched a few vids but it doesn't interest me. I'm too set in my ways to change them.

[Prof. Moriarty]

I have heard great things about the aftershave balm (might get myself some at one point).
I wouldn't mind trying the method but on a student budget it is too great of an investment to test something. I think Method Shaving is an interesting concept, and worth trying before entirely dismissing.
Also wanted to say thanks to the few good answers in this thread, have been wondering about method shaving myself (the original video is insane, but Mantics version seems like normal shaving).


I merely stated that it is a marketing ploy to promote products which I believe offer little or no benefit over standard products which are readily available.
The quote below completely negates your statement. Method Shaving, while of course the aim is to make money, is not purely a marketing ploy. It wouldn't be logical in such a niche market, to create a product that requires such an investment, and that differs so greatly from the norm, if you didn't truly believe in it. If you didn't think it was good, and if you were out to make money, you definitely entered the wrong market.

The other arguments have been pretty well refuted. He sells other stuff. He's pretty well documented as a nice, helpful guy. I've read many places he recommends a lot of people try traditional methods, often first. Etc. All the hubbub got me to watch the videos and I didn't get a sense of crazy, just passionate.

Lastly, the thing about him creating a gap is absolute rubbish. He created an alternative method to shaving which he believes in. He does not dismiss the other methods, he just feels his method is capable of giving a great shave.

[global_dev]

This is the crux of it. His writing is so over the top laughable that it's impossible to get past. I think he knows his stuff, is passionate about it, makes good products, and is generally a good source of info for any prospective shaver, but, all that said, I cannot read anything he writes without lolz. I mean, I read something that said says that the DE has reclaimed it's rightful spot of dominance in todays world or something to that effect?! Ha! It's like a trillion to one in favor of carts these days bud, sorry.

i honestly didn't find it impossible to get past.. it was different and enjoyable... i thought it explained what he was trying to describe at a granularity in an engineering/scientific style... i like reading

[DFSDAILY]

I think he has a starter kit for less than $30.00? People pay a whole lot more for an entry level starter DE soap/brush kit. I've read that the stuff works very well for straight shavers so I'm tempted just to try it out, just don't have the free capital to spend on new stuff at the moment.

[beengone]

People keep saying it takes too long. Can someone who's given it a good run compare time to what most of us are used to?

[El-a-Menthol]

So much great information here about Method Shaving and Hydrolast products. Thank you all.
You should learn to read better.
I clearly stated I know nothing about his products, that they might actually be good, and that I feared that.

even if it works, I would still not use his system.
Why? This is very simple.
Because if his system turns out to be better then wet shaving with a brush of choice, soap of choice and aftershave of choice,
I will be trapped in his (expensive) system because I would want the best result.
The expenses aren't my first worry.
I like the many choices I have. Gillette cartridges trap you in a system as well, I saw the light, and he's not getting me alive.
Pls read that part carefully.

And I love the blanket statement "Wet shaving is about relaxing."
Nobody said it was for you, to you it might be stressful, for some it's more then simple hair removal and you knew very well what they meant. You CHOSE the literal interpretation.
I don't think you will win much people over with that attitude by the way.

[Jorocom]

It seems to me like a bucket list type of thing. Definitely something I'd like to try.

[Wetshavemike]

I think he has put a lot into his product. It probably works well. I have never used them but I love to try new things, so I might try it some day. Lots of us have tried lots of outrageous products and techniques, so why is this any different?

[Manning]

I think he has a starter kit for less than $30.00? People pay a whole lot more for an entry level starter DE soap/brush kit. I've read that the stuff works very well for straight shavers so I'm tempted just to try it out, just don't have the free capital to spend on new stuff at the moment.

I commend any entrepreneur with the courage to bring a product to market. I can't say the same for armchair critics who haven't even tried the product.

I'll order the starter kit and give an honest assessment.

[TallyShave]

Have ANY of the naysayers in this thread actually tried the products?

I'm haven't posted in this thread yet, but I have tried the products and have mixed feelings. People sometimes mention that the lather is very different from "regular" lather, but I didn't it find it much different than a fairly wet lather from other products. It does take a little longer to work up and I wasn't a fan of the rag and messy hands. I am not saying the products aren't good, but they weren't any better than the products most of use on a regular basis. The "secret" nature of the ingredients was also a big turnoff for me. For me the entire "method" is somewhat of a solution in search of a problem.

[TonyH]

I'm haven't posted in this thread yet, but I have tried the products and have mixed feelings. People sometimes mention that the lather is very different from "regular" lather, but I didn't it find it much different than a fairly wet lather from other products. It does take a little longer to work up and I wasn't a fan of the rag and messy hands. I am not saying the products aren't good, but they weren't any better than the products most of use on a regular basis. The "secret" nature of the ingredients was also a big turnoff for me. For me the entire "method" is somewhat of a solution in search of a problem.

Good points. The rag has always made me curious, but my wallet says "WAIT!". :lol:

[CyberJCM]

I'm curious.

Like TalleyShave I'm not a fan of the idea of getting all messy, and I guarantee SWMBO would chew me out if I made a bigger mess than I already do (visually impaired+whiskers in the sink=ticked off SWMBO). So I'm not interested in the rag and such. But there seems to be a pretty good consensus that the Hydrolast products are pretty alright. So my question is, could you combine those products as they are intended in say a nice big scuttle and whip them up with your brush?

[TallyShave]

I'm curious.

Like TalleyShave I'm not a fan of the idea of getting all messy, and I guarantee SWMBO would chew me out if I made a bigger mess than I already do (visually impaired+whiskers in the sink=ticked off SWMBO). So I'm not interested in the rag and such. But there seems to be a pretty good consensus that the Hydrolast products are pretty alright. So my question is, could you combine those products as they are intended in say a nice big scuttle and whip them up with your brush?

I have seen some people post about using some of the products in combination with a brush in a more traditional way. There is one product you can't use with a brush (I think there are some oils or something that will cause problems...maybe it was the paste?). I think it would work well...again the products are fine, but I wasn't crazy about the method (no pun intended). If I recall correctly, looking at the prices for the products used in this way, it really isn't that expensive...about the same as using traditional soaps/creams. The after shave conditioner is great for what its worth.

[DFSDAILY]

His system originally had a special brush made by Simpson I think, any way it was outrageously expensive to a lot of people considering it is nothing more than a large fan brush. In videos I've seen using the brush you load the brush with the olive oil soap then put the paste in the breach of the brush and hand lather more or less, the activator comes in at some point but I'm not sure which comes first. I'm assuming you could probably use an Omega Professional to accomplish the mission. He also states in his videos that a brush can be used.

[Prof. Moriarty]

I'm curious.

Like TalleyShave I'm not a fan of the idea of getting all messy, and I guarantee SWMBO would chew me out if I made a bigger mess than I already do (visually impaired+whiskers in the sink=ticked off SWMBO). So I'm not interested in the rag and such. But there seems to be a pretty good consensus that the Hydrolast products are pretty alright. So my question is, could you combine those products as they are intended in say a nice big scuttle and whip them up with your brush?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mec_uHFuhUc&feature=relmfu
There you go this should answer your questions. I just sent an email to Mr Roberts asking about the brushes.


I have seen some people post about using some of the products in combination with a brush in a more traditional way. There is one product you can't use with a brush (I think there are some oils or something that will cause problems...maybe it was the paste?). I think it would work well...again the products are fine, but I wasn't crazy about the method (no pun intended). If I recall correctly, looking at the prices for the products used in this way, it really isn't that expensive...about the same as using traditional soaps/creams. The after shave conditioner is great for what its worth.
It is the Hydrolast cutting balm, because it contains oil which inhibits water uptake of the brush (according to Roberts).

[atxguy]

+1 on the cutting balm NOT on a brush. It will harm the knot. Other than that all can be used with a brush. Right now I am trying the cloth as a curiosity. The only difference is that you can either use the balm directly on the face like shave oil, or pull some lather into your hand and roll in a bit of cutting balm into it.

It really only takes me 10-15 minutes, about the same as I do with GFT soap. The only difference in time is mix in a few drops of balm on your skin and add a bit of the cutting paste (think same idea as a super lather). Shave oil and super lather take almost exactly the same time IMHO. I like the products so far and am wanting to learn to use them more effectively.

[CyberJCM]

Thanks Moriarty. That was helpful. I was just curious, but I gotta say, I really wish it wasn't all that complicated! Open the breach, close the breach, high vs. low velocity brushes... It seems like the products make a really nice shave lather, but...

To be honest, and this is my feeling on what I desire to do when I'm shaving and in no way reflects on Method Shaving as I have not tried it, I want to be able to whip up a nice lather with ease and have a good shave. I don't want to have to do a science experiment, and that's what this feels like it would be.

To be clear, I have no unfounded opinions of the products or the Method or Mr. Roberts. But I do see the demonstrated processes as something I am not interested in doing for my shave. But I mean this honestly, if other guys find this enjoyable and get great results from it, fantastic! Keep rockin' it brother! You won't get any criticism or upturned nose from me. IMO at least you are taking your personal grooming seriously and can say you are happy with it, which is a rare thing in this day and age.

[cessnabird]

Charles had some brushes made especially for method shaving. He still has a few in his display in his shop. He doesn't recommend against using a brush, but the cloth is something he came up with that hydrates his mix better and faster than a brush. Plus, the brush ends up taking a beating when used in method shaving, it's the nature of the beast. His soaps by themselves lather pretty well as I have a cube I have used with a brush from time to time.

[Prof. Moriarty]

Charles had some brushes made especially for method shaving. He still has a few in his display in his shop. He doesn't recommend against using a brush, but the cloth is something he came up with that hydrates his mix better and faster than a brush. Plus, the brush ends up taking a beating when used in method shaving, it's the nature of the beast. His soaps by themselves lather pretty well as I have a cube I have used with a brush from time to time.
Sent him an email asking about it. If I don't use the soap as aggressively, I should be fine right? I am not interested in wiping a cloth on my face. How much does the brush he sells cost?

[Ptroiani]

Thanks Moriarty. That was helpful. I was just curious, but I gotta say, I really wish it wasn't all that complicated! Open the breach, close the breach, high vs. low velocity brushes... It seems like the products make a really nice shave lather, but...

To be honest, and this is my feeling on what I desire to do when I'm shaving and in no way reflects on Method Shaving as I have not tried it, I want to be able to whip up a nice lather with ease and have a good shave. I don't want to have to do a science experiment, and that's what this feels like it would be.

To be clear, I have no unfounded opinions of the products or the Method or Mr. Roberts. But I do see the demonstrated processes as something I am not interested in doing for my shave. But I mean this honestly, if other guys find this enjoyable and get great results from it, fantastic! Keep rockin' it brother! You won't get any criticism or upturned nose from me. IMO at least you are taking your personal grooming seriously and can say you are happy with it, which is a rare thing in this day and age.

+1.. And your daughter seems to have whipping a nice lather out of Williams down - why ruin a good thing. Nice vid, btw!

If the starter kit is only 30 dollars, I would give it a go just to see how it is.

I am right there with you on the mess in the sink, though.

Also, there is no saying that the method can't be tweeked for your personal style or conditions.

Regards,

Paul

[rgeudy]

I kind of want to try it now after reading this..........you guys are good advertisment for this guy:thumbup1:

[TonyH]

Sent him an email asking about it. If I don't use the soap as aggressively, I should be fine right? I am not interested in wiping a cloth on my face. How much does the brush he sells cost?

I'm pretty sure his brushes are only for display now. He doesn't sell them anymore, at least that's what he told me at one point.

[cessnabird]

Sent him an email asking about it. If I don't use the soap as aggressively, I should be fine right? I am not interested in wiping a cloth on my face. How much does the brush he sells cost?

Charles can answer the price question better than I can, I have no idea what the brushes cost. As stated earlier in the thread, they are basically a fan/flat top brush with less density in the middle "breach" of the brush. I am sure any fan will work well. Mantic's method video helps explain this much better.

[mmack66]

Sent him an email asking about it. If I don't use the soap as aggressively, I should be fine right? I am not interested in wiping a cloth on my face. How much does the brush he sells cost?

The cloth is just used to create the mix, and then the mix is applied by hand.

http://www.hydrolast.com/Method_Shaving.html

[Ptroiani]

I kind of want to try it now after reading this..........you guys are good advertisment for this guy:thumbup1:

+1

[Hippie Kai Yay]

Figured I'd try to help out. I live in the Austin area and have visited Enchanté numerous times and consulted Mr. Roberts for advice. Eccentric? Yes. Odd vocabulary? Yes. Passionate? Walking into that shop is an obvious hell yeah. Dude loves shaving (not just method shaving) and fragrances. I think he's even more passionate about the perfumes and scents than shaving. Trust me, his love for both shows.

As for the whole "Method Shave", I take what I like, and I keep those techniques. I try what I don't like, and never use them again. I look at it and realize method shaving doesn't even need Hydrolast products to be effective; his teachings are just guidelines. If you take out Charles' products, the system seems like a reasonable beginner's course to wet shaving, which is what I think it should be: teach the newbies on the finer points and allow them to tweak it to their needs. (I believe) CAR agrees with this, though don't quote. Just my view on the method (not punny? Anyone?).

Secondly, I have been using the products. Honestly, I believe that the quality and how long they last makes up for the price. Just looking at the price does make it hard to take a leap, but it's worth a try. If you want to go in and spend as little as possible while still having enough product to give it a go, I suggest a good soap, cutting balm, and aftershave conditioner. I did a little research and found that the soaps are not Hydrolast exclusive and that there is no behind-Enchanté-doors-soap-making going on. The cubes are from La Lavande. Good French soaps, but, like said, not exclusive. I say pick a well made natural soap. The other two products are exclusives and also the most expensive in CAR's line. They are both over $30 bucks a piece. Will you like the cutting balm? Well, it is essential to the shaving with the soap, so yeah, you'll have to like it. If not, it's an excellent preshave oil, albeit a tad expensive for just that. It's there to protect your face as just soap "slag" (read: lather) is just there to help the blade glide. And will you like the conditioner? If you don't, PM so I can hear what this liquid from the gods you have is and how I can get a hold of it. Seriously though, most people enjoy it, or at the very least find it decent. And even though they run high $$$, they last at least 6 months, from what I've seen with my products so far. I've been using the cutting balm for over a month and have used roughly a sixth (maybe less) and have used it everyday, 4-5 drops a shave. Conditioner? Had it for 3 months and can't tell if I've been using it.

The stuff lasts. It works. His techniques is good. I figured I step up for the guy not just because he "keeps Austin weird", but supplies us Austinites, shave lovers, and whoever else will drop him a line with knowledge and information first and foremost, and supplies second. I've walked in there asking to buy his shaving paste and him telling me I don't really need it for my beard, then explaining why. That's what makes his methods so interesting.

[cessnabird]

Well said! I was in there for 3 hrs yesterday shooting the breeze and talking shaving, politics, women, cologne, etc. I picked up some Trumpers Rose and was blown away by it. Charles is a valuable asset to the wet shaving community, whether you like Method Shaving or not. I am thinking about picking up some conditioner soon, I have heard wonderful things about it.





Figured I'd try to help out. I live in the Austin area and have visited Enchanté numerous times and consulted Mr. Roberts for advice. Eccentric? Yes. Odd vocabulary? Yes. Passionate? Walking into that shop is an obvious hell yeah. Dude loves shaving (not just method shaving) and fragrances. I think he's even more passionate about the perfumes and scents than shaving. Trust me, his love for both shows.

As for the whole "Method Shave", I take what I like, and I keep those techniques. I try what I don't like, and never use them again. I look at it and realize method shaving doesn't even need Hydrolast products to be effective; his teachings are just guidelines. If you take out Charles' products, the system seems like a reasonable beginner's course to wet shaving, which is what I think it should be: teach the newbies on the finer points and allow them to tweak it to their needs. (I believe) CAR agrees with this, though don't quote. Just my view on the method (not punny? Anyone?).

Secondly, I have been using the products. Honestly, I believe that the quality and how long they last makes up for the price. Just looking at the price does make it hard to take a leap, but it's worth a try. If you want to go in and spend as little as possible while still having enough product to give it a go, I suggest a good soap, cutting balm, and aftershave conditioner. I did a little research and found that the soaps are not Hydrolast exclusive and that there is no behind-Enchanté-doors-soap-making going on. The cubes are from La Lavande. Good French soaps, but, like said, not exclusive. I say pick a well made natural soap. The other two products are exclusives and also the most expensive in CAR's line. They are both over $30 bucks a piece. Will you like the cutting balm? Well, it is essential to the shaving with the soap, so yeah, you'll have to like it. If not, it's an excellent preshave oil, albeit a tad expensive for just that. It's there to protect your face as just soap "slag" (read: lather) is just there to help the blade glide. And will you like the conditioner? If you don't, PM so I can hear what this liquid from the gods you have is and how I can get a hold of it. Seriously though, most people enjoy it, or at the very least find it decent. And even though they run high $$$, they last at least 6 months, from what I've seen with my products so far. I've been using the cutting balm for over a month and have used roughly a sixth (maybe less) and have used it everyday, 4-5 drops a shave. Conditioner? Had it for 3 months and can't tell if I've been using it.

The stuff lasts. It works. His techniques is good. I figured I step up for the guy not just because he "keeps Austin weird", but supplies us Austinites, shave lovers, and whoever else will drop him a line with knowledge and information first and foremost, and supplies second. I've walked in there asking to buy his shaving paste and him telling me I don't really need it for my beard, then explaining why. That's what makes his methods so interesting.

[ateace]

On the face of it (pun intended), Method Shaving overall seems to complicate a relatively simple process and it does not interest me.
It is unfortunate that Charles' approach to shaving in his videos can give one the wrong impression of what he's really like.

The products seem to be well-regarded. I wouldn't mind trying them out at some point and I would like to visit the shop
and meet CAR if I had the chance.

[CyberJCM]

Hippie's post inspired me go and look into the products, thinking ok... maybe I will try these out, since others said there's a $25 Starter Kit. I figure, for $25 I can swing that and I may really like these products. I'll check it out! It took some doing but I found it. The product lists are a little confusing on the Enchante site which is where the starter kit is, not the Hydrolast site. And there are different terms for I think the same items on both sites. Very confusing. Anyway, I was really disappointed when I see that the kit only comes with 3 items: The Cloth, a 2oz. Primer soap, and a 2oz. Paste. (BTW, doing the math and pricing these 3 things in these sizes individually adds up to $22, not $25). Looks like to add the other key ingredients, the Cutting Balm and the Conditioner it's another $35 each, so $70. Assuming thats everything essential thats a total $95 (shipping/tax ?) to start it up.

I know myself if I was going to try something like this, I'd want to be able to try it as it's intended, so it wouldn't make sense to leave key components out. And this Starter Kit is incomplete far as I can tell. For me, having to pay $95 to give it a true test puts it out of reach, and out of interest frankly based on price.

I know, it probably seems like I keep coming up with reasons not to try this stuff. I just want everyone to know I truly don't have any opinions good or bad about any of it or Mr. Roberts. I'm looking at this objectively based on price and what's involved in the process, and just putting my thoughts and findings out there. As a parallel topic to explain my thinking, there is a small debate going whether Razorock XXX and Acqua di Parma are different enough to make spending $60 on AdP worth it over the XXX $10. In my way of thinking, AdP can't possibly be that much better to be worth spending that much more on it. Same goes here, I'm sure the Hydrolast stuff is great, but to me it can't be better enough to be worth spending $95 on over the stuff I currently use. I will say that if the whole system is all I would ever plan on using, it may be worth it. But I like variety, hence the rotation of stuff I like.

That's my way more than 2 cents on the matter.

[lakechuck]

That's actually more expensive than I imagined. Thanks for sharing your research. I'm with with you, I would find it hard to spend that much on ANY shaving soap, and it seems you have to have all components of the system to equal one tub of your favorite cream (brushes and/or shave cloths aside).


Hippie's post inspired me go and look into the products, thinking ok... maybe I will try these out, since others said there's a $25 Starter Kit. I figure, for $25 I can swing that and I may really like these products. I'll check it out! It took some doing but I found it. The product lists are a little confusing on the Enchante site which is where the starter kit is, not the Hydrolast site. And there are different terms for I think the same items on both sites. Very confusing. Anyway, I was really disappointed when I see that the kit only comes with 3 items: The Cloth, a 2oz. Primer soap, and a 2oz. Paste. (BTW, doing the math and pricing these 3 things in these sizes individually adds up to $22, not $25). Looks like to add the other key ingredients, the Cutting Balm and the Conditioner it's another $35 each, so $70. Assuming thats everything essential thats a total $95 (shipping/tax ?) to start it up.

I know myself if I was going to try something like this, I'd want to be able to try it as it's intended, so it wouldn't make sense to leave key components out. And this Starter Kit is incomplete far as I can tell. For me, having to pay $95 to give it a true test puts it out of reach, and out of interest frankly based on price.

I know, it probably seems like I keep coming up with reasons not to try this stuff. I just want everyone to know I truly don't have any opinions good or bad about any of it or Mr. Roberts. I'm looking at this objectively based on price and what's involved in the process, and just putting my thoughts and findings out there. As a parallel topic to explain my thinking, there is a small debate going whether Razorock XXX and Acqua di Parma are different enough to make spending $60 on AdP worth it over the XXX $10. In my way of thinking, AdP can't possibly be that much better to be worth spending that much more on it. Same goes here, I'm sure the Hydrolast stuff is great, but to me it can't be better enough to be worth spending $95 on over the stuff I currently use. I will say that if the whole system is all I would ever plan on using, it may be worth it. But I like variety, hence the rotation of stuff I like.

That's my way more than 2 cents on the matter.

[ShavingPrivateRyan]

Ok... I can't believe it is THIS THREAD again. LOL

I have remained silent the first 10 times, but I thought I would chime in now.

I watched Mr. Roberts vids, and it just does not look like something I would enjoy. Would I try it? Sure - why not. I won't know if I like it until I do. I do think, however, that it would really be a chore for me.

He has created a line of products for his 'method', and he has marketed them with the videos. Here is the genius part - I had never heard of method shaving until the rants started here, so I tuned in to check it out. Here we are talking about it again, people for, more people against.... Every time I see the thread, I see Mr. Roberts face covered in 'the mix' with that Feather blade zipping across his face. My wife even brought it up the other day because of the lather - um MIX - flopping around all over. ' you are not making a mess with that stuff... forget it'...

Marketing is a powerful thing. YouTube is a free marketing tool. When we talk about it here, for or against, we give a chance - even just a small one - for a product sale.

Although I don't THINK it is for me, I can't dismiss it before I try it out. It looks nuts on video, but I thought DE shaving in general was nuts before I tried it. I have done crazier things - look at my Avatar.... Then there was that time with the Boa constrictor in church...

The man is bold. He created a system, products to go with that system, and is attempting to form a market. Sounds like what the cart razor companies did with goo and such. They are making more than a little money - and people BUY the products.

I can't fault the Method Shaving system because I have not tried it. I can't fault the man because I don't know him and I have enough faults of my own. I can say that his presentation on YouTube is memorable... kind of like the old commercials where we still hear the jingle " BY MENNEN". ( Forgot about that, didn't you. Good luck trying to get that out of your head for the next week.)

Just my 2 cents. I know it is too much to even believe that this thread will not surface again.. SIGH.

Regards....

And remember.... " STRETCH THAT MIX" ( to the music of 'Whip It' by DEVO... LOL)


Paul

QFT!!! It irks me to no end that marketing works on such a subconscious level that people get on board without even realizing it

[luvmysuper]

QFT!!! It irks me to no end that marketing works on such a subconscious level that people get on board without even realizing it

How do you feel about threads that haven't been posted in for a year being resurrected? :lol: :lol:

[jsj_297]

pretty good apparently!! These method threads usually end quickly, and without much fanfair......:whistling:

[angelo]

Clever sarcasm. My favorite! And you even used the proper emoticon for the humor impaired. How responsible of you.:biggrin1:

[luvmysuper]

Clever sarcasm. My favorite! And you even used the proper emoticon for the humor impaired. How responsible of you.:biggrin1:

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