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vocalistbob
02-15-2012, 03:52 PM
I have a BRAND NEW, never used Gillette "New" in a green case with a cardboard sleeve that reads:

Stock No. 29-R-1035
1 Razor, Safety with 5 Blades
P. O. No. 1150 NYGS. Date 8-19-35
Contractor, Gillette Safety Razor Co.

Anybody know anything about the history of this razor?

MacDaddy
02-15-2012, 04:02 PM
Pics or it didn't happen!!

That stock number seems to have been the US Government's standard number for a safety razor kit from any contractor. From the sound of what you're describing, though, I wonder if you might have stumbled the origin of one of the unexplained oddities we've had -- the green "Red & Black" set (http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php/247248-Razor-ID). Does yours look like that, or is it different?

Oh, and did I mention -- PICS :taz:

vocalistbob
02-15-2012, 04:36 PM
Geez, Mac, you're tough! And yes, it looks like a green "Red & Black". I'll post pics later this evening.

BigFoot
02-15-2012, 04:44 PM
Pics or it didn't happen!!

That stock number seems to have been the US Government's standard number for a safety razor kit from any contractor. From the sound of what you're describing, though, I wonder if you might have stumbled the origin of one of the unexplained oddities we've had -- the green "Red & Black" set (http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php/247248-Razor-ID). Does yours look like that, or is it different?

Oh, and did I mention -- PICS :taz:

You tell em Porter. :lol:

insomniac
02-15-2012, 04:48 PM
No, it's a lot more fun playing "guess the razor" when we have a verbal description.

OK, here's one: I have a razor and it's metal, it's kinda shiny and I see where I can put a blade. What did I buy?

fonkemonkey
02-15-2012, 04:52 PM
I'll post pics later this evening.

It has been 15 minutes... WE ARE STILL WAITING!!!:001_tt2::lol:

72plymsatellite
02-15-2012, 04:55 PM
No, it's a lot more fun playing "guess the razor" when we have a verbal description.

OK, here's one: I have a razor and it's metal, it's kinda shiny and I see where I can put a blade. What did I buy?

lmao thats funny. u should prob get pics ready them post the thread. that would make the most sense to me but what do i know...... not much apparently, at least thats what my wife says lol

dgilman
02-15-2012, 05:07 PM
Pics or it didn't happen!!

Oh, and did I mention -- PICS :taz:

+1. For all we know right now, you bought a corn dog that someone passed off as a razor. Get to it! :001_smile

vocalistbob
02-15-2012, 05:12 PM
221094221095221096221097

kcb5150
02-15-2012, 05:13 PM
Awesome to see one all plated for a change.

IronHammer
02-15-2012, 07:12 PM
Wow! That's amazing. I have never seen the green case before. That's got to awfully rare. Congrats, sir!

MacDaddy
02-15-2012, 07:46 PM
That's awesome. With the leatherette headliner, your case looks like a transitional model from the straight "Red & Black" type case with an entirely felt-lined interior to the Ranger Tech type case (http://mr-razor.com/Rasierer/One-Piece%20solid%20guard%20bar/1941%20Ranger%20Tech.jpg) that was leatherette inside and out.

So, I did a little searching to compare the information on your outer cardboard box with other government purchased razor sets. The stock number is the same on any other safety razor sets that include 5 blades. For example, below is a GEM Junior, a GEM Clog-pruf, and a Simplex set that all show the same stock number:

221120

221121

221122

The P.O. number, I assume, is the purchase order number, but I can't quite figure out what "NYGD" would be. Other wartime sets I've turned up have designations like "JCQD" or "JCQMD," which I've been able to trace to mean "Jersey City Quartermaster's Depot." I've also found other references that would seem to indicate that the "GD" is likely "General Depot," so I would extrapolate that NYGD would be "New York General Depot."

I looked for information about a New York General Depot and found an address of 58th St. & 1st Ave in Brooklyn. And just for fun, pulling that up in Google Maps brings you to this facility, which looks like it very certainly could have been around in the '30s:

221126 (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=58th+St.+and+1st+Ave.,+Brooklyn,+NY&ll=40.645957,-74.023819&spn=99.27706,180.527344&sll=40.645919,-74.023861&gl=us&hnear=58th+St+%26+1st+Ave,+Sunset+Park,+Kings,+New +York+11220&t=w&z=3&layer=c&panoid=pLYwO5hlrXYyzDTmIGoilw&cbll=40.645957,-74.023819&cbp=13,-121.94241712519252,,0,-1.371465345961738)

So, we might be able to assume that these green sets were government purchased through whatever the equivalent of the GSA Schedule would have been before and during WWII. In other words, we might have a Contract NEW to go along with the Contract Tech.

jbradley
02-15-2012, 07:51 PM
In other words, we might have a Contract NEW to go along with the Contract Tech.

I showed my uncle my bar handled NEW a few months ago. He said that his Dad, my GrandDad, was issued one just like that in the Navy during WWII. I have no idea if he knew what he was talking about or not. I dont' know enough about the history to know if I should doubt him or not. But this seems to lend some credence to it, doesn't it?
Johnnie

vocalistbob
02-15-2012, 09:48 PM
I knew I had something pretty special, but I was curious to know more about it. Now I know. Thanks for your help and research, gents.

IronHammer
02-15-2012, 10:15 PM
Porter,

You have WAY too much time on your hands. But I am so glad you do! LOL! Thanks for the data. Fascinating and thorough as always.

midniterambler
02-16-2012, 08:29 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/250997832896?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

insomniac
02-16-2012, 09:14 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/250997832896?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

$395 :laugh:


I wonder if B&B gets a commission for helping appraise the razor. Maybe even a membership :blushing:

vocalistbob
02-17-2012, 04:29 AM
Obviously, i pulled that price out of my a**. It had nothing to do with the VERY helpful comments here. I really wasn't sure whether I wanted to keep it or not and figured that if I could get someone to buy it for a ridiculous amount of money, I would let them do so. I have observed some really crazy asking prices on eBay, so i figured, why not? If someone has a lot of money and just can't live without this razor, I'd be glad to sell it to them. If not, then I am proud to have it as part of my collection. And of course, if it DOES sell, that would give me more $$$ to buy more razors.

insomniac
02-17-2012, 08:17 AM
And of course, if it DOES sell, that would give me more $$$ to buy more razors.

(and a membership... hint :001_smile)

ras120
02-17-2012, 08:32 AM
Obviously, i pulled that price out of my a**. It had nothing to do with the VERY helpful comments here. I really wasn't sure whether I wanted to keep it or not and figured that if I could get someone find a sucker to buy it for a ridiculous amount of money, I would let them do so happily fleece them. I have observed some really crazy asking prices on eBay, so i figured, why not? If someone some sucker has a lot of money more money than brains and just can't live without this razor, I'd be glad to sell it to them clean them out. If not, then I am proud to have it as part of my collection. And of course, if it DOES sell, that would give me more $$$ to buy more razors laugh all the way to the bank with.

Fixed it for you. :lol:

insomniac
02-17-2012, 08:39 AM
At least OP wasn't this guy (http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php/195653-Antique-store-pickup%21%21%21-Got-2-new-safety-razors) :lol:

BBrad
02-17-2012, 08:41 AM
This one's gone south in a hurry . . .

vocalistbob
02-17-2012, 08:48 AM
Thanks for straightening that out for me....

skydivemd
02-17-2012, 12:47 PM
Fixed it for you. :lol:

Thank you, thank you, thank you! Just... Perfect. And funny enough, exactly what I was thinking.

kingfisher
02-17-2012, 02:25 PM
Nice looking razor. A great shaver, to be sure. I'd probably pay 50 bucks for it. Maybe.

You can't shave with a case, and I'm not a collector.

Nobody's gonna pay $395 for that razor.

ERVARGASNY
02-17-2012, 08:10 PM
Fixed it for you. :lol:

LOL ras120

ERVARGASNY
02-17-2012, 08:13 PM
I think there is a difference between Over priced, Over paid and taking someone for a sucker, and taking someone for a sucker just isnt kool, especially a newbie :o/ not kool at all but thats just me.

Sunflake
02-17-2012, 09:26 PM
Porter,

You have WAY too much time on your hands. But I am so glad you do! LOL! Thanks for the data. Fascinating and thorough as always.

Porter is awesome! He ID my New Deluxe Red & Black. Without me having the case. :thumbup: Now I do have a case for it. Thanks Porter.

packtray
07-16-2013, 08:32 PM
Sweet, I can actually claim to know something in the forums for the first time! Easy day: the old War Department contract numbering system isn't like what's used today in the Federal government. Today, we use an activity code (say, W911S7 for Fort Leonard Wood as the issuing office), plus a two-digit year code (11 for 2011), plus a one-character contract type code (say, D for indefinite-quantity) and a four-digit serial number. Back then, you got a purchase order serial number, the issuing office (Jersey City QM Depot, correct!), and a contract award/effective date.

Under the pre-National Stock Number system (in which EVERYBODY in the Government now uses the same stock number for a thing), you'd have depots assigning a stock number. As is true today, ordering a particular stock number might give you the general "thing" (like, say, a wrench), but it might be made by multiple contractors, all with slight cosmetic differences.

So, that particular item is the right SN, but it would appear that the War Department went to different contractors to make the same general item. That's why you'll see the same stock number on different razor sets.

Matter of fact, I just found another variant on Ebay this evening. Here's a picture:

351509

So, can anyone tell me about this one?





221122

The P.O. number, I assume, is the purchase order number, but I can't quite figure out what "NYGD" would be. Other wartime sets I've turned up have designations like "JCQD" or "JCQMD," which I've been able to trace to mean "Jersey City Quartermaster's Depot." I've also found other references that would seem to indicate that the "GD" is likely "General Depot," so I would extrapolate that NYGD would be "New York General Depot."