One Badger to Rule Them All (that isn't a Simpson)

[CyberJCM]

My only badgers are self made TGN's. A Finest, a Silvertip, a Super Badger and a Black Badger. I like most of them, but recently I can pretty much say for sure I've been converted to a Semogue boar guy. And I think I'm going to sell the aformentioned badgers and purchase one nice, high quality badger.

One Badger to Rule Them All

I'm looking for advice. The only stipulation... no Simpson. I will not buy Simpson. I don't care how many guys love 'em, how popular they are, whatever. I won't do it.

So that being said, which would you recommend as the best standalone in the den badger? My personal preferences would be about a 22-24mm bulb knot. Very soft with a Goldilocks (not too this, not too that, just right) amount of backbone. Capable with mostly face and occasional scuttle lathering with soft soaps and creams. And it needs to look sharp too!

Can't wait for the recommendations!


Side question: As a big Semogue fan, how are their badgers?

[ltjaw]

Custom Shavemac? Should be able to get a very sharp looking brush with a great knot.

[Gruder]

Just one, eh? Sounds like a job for a custom shavemac D01. :thumbup1: (Or the 2012 LE.)

[Marco]

My "one badger to rule them all" would certainly be a Simpson. But, since the OP clearly specified "no Simpson, please", I would say Shavemac. This brand produces some very solid, reliable badgers, among the finest in the World.

[Tkocloser]

Shavemac D03 custom. Premium quality, nothing is denser, great backbone and ultimate softness

[life2short1971]

I would suggest the TGN finest 22mm knot set in your handle of preference. It is very soft at the tips and a nice mount of backbone as well. With the 2band they get Coarser(for lack of a better word) as they get larger. Coarser does not mean prickly at all in any size.26mm starts the beginning of exfoliating i believe and 30mm is definitely exfoliating but still not prickly at all.

[Rylos]

No recommendation here, just a request out of curiosity. Why won't you buy a Simpson? Did they offend your family or something?

[xraygun]

M&F Blonde. I like them better than my Plisson.

[craig87c]

While not a direct answer to your question, the 2011 LE bristle brushes are very badger-like for boars. I share your unwillingness to buy Simpson brushes, btw.

[CyberJCM]

No recommendation here, just a request out of curiosity. Why won't you buy a Simpson? Did they offend your family or something?

LOL no Brian. The reason I won't buy a Simpson is two fold. I'm constantly reading how they have shedding issues. I know all brushes shed, but from what I read it sounds like its excessive for the price you pay for them. Every other brush I own has shed so minimally, I guess I've been spoiled. The second reason is I was put off of the company by some less than honorable behavior and business practices here at B&B early last year after I had joined. No need to drag it all up, but being new to all of this it was not a good first impression.

Knew I'd have to clear that up! Hope it makes sense :smile:

[cessnabird]

Not to beat a dead horse, but Simpson makes some of the best brushes in the world, not to mention their customer service has blown me away in my experience with them. They shed more than the others because they are so friggin dense, there are more hairs in a Simpson brush than any other maker IMO. They are also criticized for their varied knots for any given line of brush, it's because they are completely made by hand which many other brush makers cannot say for themselves. There are going to be differences in the knot sizes and shapes because of that fact, there is more than one brush maker at Vulfix knotting their brushes I am sure.

To add my opinion to the thread, I second the M&F brush recommendation. Lee Sabini makes THE finest brushes made today, I have no problem stating that as a fact. It's not a YMMV thing... He hand lathes, knots, glues and polishes his brushes and it shows. His brushes do not shed much at all and the Blonde two bands he makes are amazing brushes. Give him a shout, you won't regret it.

[edgerunner]

My favourite of all is Vie-Long E16510 2-band:
http://www.giftsandcare.com/en/catalog/the-pleasure-of-shaving/badger-shaving-brushes/super-badger-two-band/exclusive-two-band-shaving-brush-loft-5550.html

or custom Shavemac D01 3-band

[cdrross]

I would go +1 here.
Here is a picture of my Vie-Long with a Shavemac Silvertip:

My favourite of all is Vie-Long E16510 2-band:
http://www.giftsandcare.com/en/catalog/the-pleasure-of-shaving/badger-shaving-brushes/super-badger-two-band/exclusive-two-band-shaving-brush-loft-5550.html

or custom Shavemac D01 3-band

[jsj_297]

Vulfix 41 super, savile row 3824 SR's are a top shelf brush IMO, I've tried all the "big boys" of badgers, and the one I reall want back is my 3824!!! Now to find out who I sold it off too!! :)

[Vlad]

Rooney Heritage XL, Rooney (original 3-band) Heritage, Morris & Forndran. Those are the best brushes in the world to me. After that would probably be Shavemac D01 3-band (a bit more scritchy).

[JohnnyKent]

Rooney Heritage XL, Rooney (original 3-band) Heritage, Morris & Forndran. Those are the best brushes in the world to me. After that would probably be Shavemac D01 3-band (a bit more scritchy).

The Rooney heritage stubby two is in my opinion one of the best brushes in the world. And it is the size you want. I highly recomend Rooney.

[vertelselaar]

Alright, no Simpsons. I have a few and never had a shedding use, but let's not go into that. What about the Omega with print "1933 - 2008 75th year Omega, made in Italy" product number 6619? Big brush, soft and still backbone. It also has the size to rule them all :001_smile.

[FonGu]

I love that Vie-Long handle (pictured above)! Does anyone know if you can buy just the handle or get it set with a boar instead of a badger? Sorry, not trying to hi-jack the OP!

[edgerunner]

I love that Vie-Long handle (pictured above)! Does anyone know if you can buy just the handle or get it set with a boar instead of a badger? Sorry, not trying to hi-jack the OP!

I don't know about boar knots but you can buy the cheaper horse version of it (13061) from Phil. It's an incredible horse brush IMO, and I like it more than the boars I've tried.
http://www.bullgooseshaving.net/vi13hohabr.html

[sulkhogan]

Still relatively new to the game, but for what it's worth I absolutely love my Rooney 3/1 in super. Good luck on your quest to find the perfect badger!

[wimbouman]

Maybe these?

A Rooney Stubby

http://www.vintagebladesllc.com/vshop/xcart/images/D/Stubby 2XL Detail.jpg

The Semogue LE size 2

http://vintagescent.com/images/smg_le_2011_badger_2.jpg

The Semogue SOC in two band

http://vintagescent.com/images/smg_2b_soc.jpg

[brianw]

I agree with your no Simpsons.... with that being said, I have 3 Shavemac D01 knots in custom handles (soon to be 4).... they rule my Den !!!!!

[bobfarvour]

Rooney Heritage XL, Rooney (original 3-band) Heritage, Morris & Forndran. Those are the best brushes in the world to me. After that would probably be Shavemac D01 3-band (a bit more scritchy).

I would agree with this.
And I would add Thater.

[shm]

My only badgers are self made TGN's. A Finest, a Silvertip, a Super Badger and a Black Badger. I like most of them, but recently I can pretty much say for sure I've been converted to a Semogue boar guy. And I think I'm going to sell the aformentioned badgers and purchase one nice, high quality badger.

One Badger to Rule Them All

I'm looking for advice. The only stipulation... no Simpson. I will not buy Simpson. I don't care how many guys love 'em, how popular they are, whatever. I won't do it.

So that being said, which would you recommend as the best standalone in the den badger? My personal preferences would be about a 22-24mm bulb knot. Very soft with a Goldilocks (not too this, not too that, just right) amount of backbone. Capable with mostly face and occasional scuttle lathering with soft soaps and creams. And it needs to look sharp too!

Can't wait for the recommendations!


Side question: As a big Semogue fan, how are their badgers?

Their badgers are just as good as their boars IMO.

However, I would find it difficult to choose one badger to rule them all :001_smile
I have two, which I can't decide between; a Thäter 3-band and a Semogue Owners Club 2-band. I love both, but with the very poor (if any) customer service Thäter has been showing, I will not buy another of their brushes - unless it is quite clear that they have changed behaviour and show that they care about their customers. And this is really too bad, because they do make some fine brushes.
I also got a Simpson PJ2 and in all honesty, it is way down my list. I know others regard them as some of the best brushes out there, I just don't and I'm not going to add another to my collection.

Or the Semogue 2011 LE, finest 2 if they are still available. The finest 1 has a little too short loft for my preference.

[shm]

Maybe these?

A Rooney Stubby

http://www.vintagebladesllc.com/vshop/xcart/images/D/Stubby%202XL%20Detail.jpg

The Semogue LE size 2

http://vintagescent.com/images/smg_le_2011_badger_2.jpg

The Semogue SOC in two band

http://vintagescent.com/images/smg_2b_soc.jpg

And look what turned up when I was writing my response :biggrin1: - The SOC 2-band and 2011 LE Finest 2 :thumbup:

[Face&Head]

I'm not trying to be provocative here and I know they have a rather eccentric understanding of customer service, but I own no finer brushes than my Thaters. I've owned 6 altogether of which my son now has 2, and there's never been a problem with any of them. From a terrific 2-band fan to a 32mm bulb, they're just great all-around brushes. None of mine has any scritch whatsoever but if you're converting almost exclusively to boar, that shouldn't be a problem. Moreover, with Phil making the very understandable decision to discontinue the line, you can get one for a great price on BullGoose. I don't need another brush, much less another Thater, but bought another one this morning (49125-4) which should demonstrate my confidence in the brand.

[wimbouman]

@Søren

Impeccable taste we have :wink2:

http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/1662149589/Cover223_twitter.jpg

But you are right; nothing wrong with the Semogue badgers.
In fact, they make excellent brushes.

If I had to pick the best brush in the world, it could turn out to be the Semogue 2010 Limited Edition Silvertip!
Sadly, no longer available.

[DC_MPA]

That's easy, Morris & Forndran 2 band.

[Gogo]

Another vote for Rooney Heritage. I have the 2XL. Absolutely outstanding brush.

For me, the perfect soft brush, with the "Goldilocks" backbone and superb flow through is the Kent B&B 2009 LE. Mine is in butterscotch. Since these are pretty hard to find, maybe a BK4 would be a good substitute.

[Rudy Vey]

Shavemac! They have the best quality, and are in my opinion way above Simpson.

[Mr. Scruffy]

Despite all the recent hubbub, I recommend the Thater 2-band finest silvertip brushes.

[kooshman7]

You'll have all sorts of answers on this one. You'll be the ultimate judge if it's your one badger to rule them all. I ain't found it, and frankly, I ain't looking either. :laugh: I love them all!

Since you ruled out my overall favorite, I'd go with a Shavemac D01 knot of at least 23mm. I think it's an ideal sweet spot for the size myself. The hair is what I would consider a goldilocks type of hair, overall just right in all areas. I find his finished brushes are well balanced, but you could definitely get a lower loft. I myself wouldn't go much lower than 3mm lower than a standard one, but we're all different. Plus you can have a custom handle made to what you'd want, or just use a brush handle you already have for the knot.

[ctkelly]

M&F Blonde badger

[Bravado13]

The SAVILE ROW 3824!!! They're finally back in stock too! Shavemac D01 would be my 2nd reccomendation but if I only had 1 brush for all time... hands down the SR 3824!

[CyberJCM]

Thanks everyone! Luckily not too many differing opinions! I'm looking into them all. Need to ask though. Where/how does a guy get an M&F brush?

Also in terms of Semogue badgers, how does the new LE compare to the Owners Club?

[cessnabird]

Thanks everyone! Luckily not too many differing opinions! I'm looking into them all. Need to ask though. Where/how does a guy get an M&F brush?

Also in terms of Semogue badgers, how does the new LE compare to the Owners Club?

You can contact Lee by email and let him know what you want, or he can suggest a brush for you. I will pm you his email address.

[CyberJCM]

Thanks a bunch cessnabird! I'll shoot him a message!

[Mike'sWorld]

Another vote here for Thater. My Simpson's are good everyday brushes, but the Thater is in a league of its own.

[Gigster]

Savile Row, Thater, and Rooney.




Sorry, seem to have a problem picking one. :001_tongu

[Malacoda]

Hands down - a Kimson (http://www.handicraft-vn.com/shop/).

I tend to be a bit out of the norm in that I like absolutely ZERO scritchiness in my brushes - nothing but pure, luxurious softness (like feathers being swirled on my cheeks by angels) with just enough backbone to easily load soap and build a thick, creamy lather either on the face or in the bowl...

Have tried several grades of Simpson... Shavemac finest, silvertip, and D01... TGN... Kent... Vulfix... boar - none have come close to providing the mix of softness and backbone I get with my Kimson. The Shavemac DO1 came very close but I found it to be a bit of a lather hog due to its density... with a slightly excessive backbone (again because of the density).

As for 'looking sharp', they come in a mix of horn, bone, mother of pearl, and abalone.

Just my two cents...

[55dougie]

Kimson or M&F.....

[mftoms59]

I own Four Shavemacs and haven't lost more the 6-8 Hairs in Total.

[PozzSka]

A giant M&F in Blonde Badger

[franz]

For me it would have to be a Rooney Heritage or a Thäter 2-band.

[German]

Thaeter 2 band bulb

[Smooth_Shaver]

I personally like my Rudy Vey better than the other few brushes I have previously owned. He does great work!

[TallyShave]

Thaeter 2 band bulb

This...I sold mine about a month ago to fund other purchases and have regreted the decision ever since.

[dgilman]

Remember, though, all of this will go for nothing if you do not see to it that the brush is properly inscribed with the formula in words of fire:

Ash brokk durbatulûk, ash brokk gimbatul,
Ash brokk thrakatulûk agh matla-ishi krimpatul.

Roughly translated from the tongue of Mordor, that's:

One badger to rule them all, one badger to find them,
One badger to bring them all and in the handle bind them.

</geekout>

[Mindflux]

This...I sold mine about a month ago to fund other purchases and have regreted the decision ever since.

I just used that sucker today. :)Great brush.

[alanplotkin]

I would say the best badger brush is the Rooney Emillion not to big or small perfect handle and firm yet soft.

[Icebear]

M&F Blonde. I like them better than my Plisson.
+1, can't compare to a Plisson (yet) but the M&F from Lee Sabini is one of my favorites :
http://badgerandblade.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=32284 (http://badgerandblade.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=32284&original=1&c=3&userid=49505)

[CyberJCM]

Remember, though, all of this will go for nothing if you do not see to it that the brush is properly inscribed with the formula in words of fire:

Ash brokk durbatulûk, ash brokk gimbatul,
Ash brokk thrakatulûk agh matla-ishi krimpatul.

Roughly translated from the tongue of Mordor, that's:

One badger to rule them all, one badger to find them,
One badger to bring them all and in the handle bind them.

</geekout>

Heck yes Dan! Total geekout but you know what.... I may just have to do that! :wink2:

[CyberJCM]

I'm digging the pics of the M&F brushes. I'm going to inquire with Mr. Sabini very soon, but can anyone please give me an idea of the price for the Blonde Badger? I'll have to raise a few funds for a nice brush regardless, but I'd like to know if it's even feasible before I inquire.

Also checked out shavemac, and they are very nice as well. Of course, my favorite is one of the most expensive.

My first brush was a Rooney Pure from Vintage Blades. I've since sold it but I miss it. I may very well go to a Rooney with this brush purchase. I hate the plain old Rooney logo though, much fonder of the fancy font.

Thanks everyone, I'm considering them all!

[brucered]

Thanks everyone, I'm considering them all!

let us know the final decision. i'm leaning towards Shavemac, Finest, 23-24/48mm, flat top for about $110

[Amzimbo]

The M&Fs from Mr. Sabini are very competively priced. Everything depends on the specs of the brush you choose, but if you're looking seriously at Shavemacs and Thaters you won't get sticker shock from Lee.

But if you really want one brush to lord it over all the others, you might have to look at the Shavemac XXL. 38mm knot and total height of 200mm. A true monster that will instil awe and respect in the rest of the herd.

[VitosClassic]

Another vote for Rooney...and the Stubby 2 is a fine one. No shedding problems here, very soft tips with backbone...a fantastic brush!!



The Rooney heritage stubby two is in my opinion one of the best brushes in the world. And it is the size you want. I highly recomend Rooney.

[CyberJCM]

The M&Fs from Mr. Sabini are very competively priced. Everything depends on the specs of the brush you choose, but if you're looking seriously at Shavemacs and Thaters you won't get sticker shock from Lee.

But if you really want one brush to lord it over all the others, you might have to look at the Shavemac XXL. 38mm knot and total height of 200mm. A true monster that will instil awe and respect in the rest of the herd.

That would certainly do that! I actually want to enjoy using it though! :wink2:

[brucered]

That would certainly do that! I actually want to enjoy using it though! :wink2:

you could do a full body shave from head to toe with that thing, and only need 1 pass of the brush :blushing:

[redtide]

Bob Farvour makes a great brush for $65 shipped. I just received my rover style handle with a knot of 24 & 48 loft and it's an outstanding brush.
My only badgers are self made TGN's. A Finest, a Silvertip, a Super Badger and a Black Badger. I like most of them, but recently I can pretty much say for sure I've been converted to a Semogue boar guy. And I think I'm going to sell the aformentioned badgers and purchase one nice, high quality badger.

One Badger to Rule Them All

I'm looking for advice. The only stipulation... no Simpson. I will not buy Simpson. I don't care how many guys love 'em, how popular they are, whatever. I won't do it.

So that being said, which would you recommend as the best standalone in the den badger? My personal preferences would be about a 22-24mm bulb knot. Very soft with a Goldilocks (not too this, not too that, just right) amount of backbone. Capable with mostly face and occasional scuttle lathering with soft soaps and creams. And it needs to look sharp too!

Can't wait for the recommendations!


Side question: As a big Semogue fan, how are their badgers?

[CyberJCM]

Bob Farvour makes a great brush for $65 shipped. I just received my rover style handle with a knot of 24 & 48 loft and it's an outstanding brush.

As far as Bob, or Rudy or any of our local brush makers, they make awesome brushes! Great skills with turning and woodwork for sure. But, at the price you mentioned they are only using TGN knots. TGN knots are very nice, I own several. But it's my feeling that they (likely) don't compare to the higher end handmade Euro knots like Rooney, M&F and shavemac. They couldn't, or else we'd be paying out the nose for TGN knots too. That's why I'm looking to purchase a high end brush from a company like this. I know Rudy will set a shavemac knot in his handles too, we exchanged PM's once before, but I think I'm still going to look into one of these other companies.

Thanks for the tip, and I agree those guys do great work!

[kooshman7]

TGN knots are very nice, I own several. But it's my feeling that they (likely) don't compare to the higher end handmade Euro knots like Rooney, M&F and shavemac.

+1 except I strongly feel they don't compare to really any of the brush manufacturer's knots The TGN knots are nice, and for many they will work just fine, but for me I find they really don't hold a candle to the hair from other manufacturer's. Just doesn't matter what manufacturer it is I like the hair better. Boar would more than likely be the only exception as long as it's one of TGN's Omega boar knots. Still, they definitely deserve a spot, and if you love them, all the more power to ya! A lot cheaper in the long run!

[OldSaw]

Hands down - a Kimson (http://www.handicraft-vn.com/shop/).

I tend to be a bit out of the norm in that I like absolutely ZERO scritchiness in my brushes - nothing but pure, luxurious softness (like feathers being swirled on my cheeks by angels) with just enough backbone to easily load soap and build a thick, creamy lather either on the face or in the bowl...

Have tried several grades of Simpson... Shavemac finest, silvertip, and D01... TGN... Kent... Vulfix... boar - none have come close to providing the mix of softness and backbone I get with my Kimson. The Shavemac DO1 came very close but I found it to be a bit of a lather hog due to its density... with a slightly excessive backbone (again because of the density).

As for 'looking sharp', they come in a mix of horn, bone, mother of pearl, and abalone.

Just my two cents...

Very interesting. I haven't seen much talk about these.

[CyberJCM]

Hands down - a Kimson (http://www.handicraft-vn.com/shop/).

I tend to be a bit out of the norm in that I like absolutely ZERO scritchiness in my brushes - nothing but pure, luxurious softness (like feathers being swirled on my cheeks by angels) with just enough backbone to easily load soap and build a thick, creamy lather either on the face or in the bowl...

Have tried several grades of Simpson... Shavemac finest, silvertip, and D01... TGN... Kent... Vulfix... boar - none have come close to providing the mix of softness and backbone I get with my Kimson. The Shavemac DO1 came very close but I found it to be a bit of a lather hog due to its density... with a slightly excessive backbone (again because of the density).

As for 'looking sharp', they come in a mix of horn, bone, mother of pearl, and abalone.

Just my two cents...

I agree OldSaw, that is interesting. I've never heard of them before.

I dunno... I'm pretty picky about the impression I get from a website or company, and something about them doesn't instill confidence in buying from them. But I appreciate the tip, at least I've learned of something new!

[Mindflux]

I agree OldSaw, that is interesting. I've never heard of them before.

I dunno... I'm pretty picky about the impression I get from a website or company, and something about them doesn't instill confidence in buying from them. But I appreciate the tip, at least I've learned of something new!

I was just looking at their page.. it sure is confusing. They have several listings for what seems like the exact same product "Dark horn with Silvertip" or some variation of that same wording for the same price.

Also if you elect to order a brush without a knot it takes $20 off your order.. so these must be pretty inexpensive knots.. (or they don't bother giving you much of a credit)

[Intrigued]

I agree OldSaw, that is interesting. I've never heard of them before.

I dunno... I'm pretty picky about the impression I get from a website or company, and something about them doesn't instill confidence in buying from them. But I appreciate the tip, at least I've learned of something new!


I was just looking at their page.. it sure is confusing. They have several listings for what seems like the exact same product "Dark horn with Silvertip" or some variation of that same wording for the same price.

Also if you elect to order a brush without a knot it takes $20 off your order.. so these must be pretty inexpensive knots.. (or they don't bother giving you much of a credit)

You might want to email Bernd at Shavemac. I think he has set his knots in Kimson's horn handles before.

[Mindflux]

You might want to email Bernd at Shavemac. I think he has set his knots in Kimson's horn handles before.


Yeah I talked to Bernd earlier last week about any Horn handles coming his way. He wasn't sure. I wonder if he just gets Kimsons.

[brucered]

I was just looking at their page.. it sure is confusing. They have several listings for what seems like the exact same product "Dark horn with Silvertip" or some variation of that same wording for the same price.

Also if you elect to order a brush without a knot it takes $20 off your order.. so these must be pretty inexpensive knots.. (or they don't bother giving you much of a credit)

plus you can pick up dinnerware, furniture, pistol grips and board games at the same time :boat:

[CyberJCM]

Hey guys a question:

How would you rank the different Rooney hair grades? I'm looking at, for example the 3/1 or 3/2 in "Super" Silvertip as they call it. But I see they have Best and also the hair in the Heritage line.

Assistance please!

[kooshman7]

I found the 2-band Heritage to be way too soft for myself. It feels like gel when you have it wet and rubbing it on your face. I enjoy 3-band Heritage more, but that's harder to find, and that was insanely packed. Very comparable to Shavemac D01 3-band, but just waaaaay more dense, but still soft while also having enough there to let you know it's working. Quite a lather hog so you want to be free with it.

[cvac]

With Rooney, I would just go with Super Silvertip if you are looking at the standard lines. A 1/1 or 3/1 in Super will run you about $75 from Vintage Blades...they don't even stock the lower grades except for a few brushes in Pure AFAIK. If you look at the prices for the midgrade Rooneys, there really is no point because you don't save that much $ relative to the value you get. The Super knots are *extremely* dense but don't really hog lather once they're broken in. They're also very soft at the tips yet load even the hardest soaps with little effort. There are brushes that cost more that do not perform as well.

As far as the Heritage line goes, never tried one. A Heritage will probably be my next brush.



Hey guys a question:

How would you rank the different Rooney hair grades? I'm looking at, for example the 3/1 or 3/2 in "Super" Silvertip as they call it. But I see they have Best and also the hair in the Heritage line.

Assistance please!

[cvac]

I just found this link that breaks down some of the different Rooney hair grades.

Rooney Badger Hair Grades

Finest Badger Hair
The finest badger hair is picked from the back of a rare breed of a long haired species of badger, only found in more remote areas of China. This hair is alot more expensive as it is of a limited supply and consequently more expensive as a raw material.

In the making of this fine brush you waste nearly half of the badger hair in the production process which is also an expensive overhead.
Finest hair is of similar grade to what Rooney's used to make their special brushes when they first started.

Super Badger Hair
The hair is Silvertip then re-dressed and re-graded in England.

This means the bundle of badger hair is sorted, the short and twisted hairs are removed from the bundle. This leaves the hair feeling softer and whiter. Also by doing this it gives the brush better lathering and water holding capability.

Silvertip
The hair is picked from the back of the badger.

Best Badger Hair
The hair is picked from the pars costalis of the badger.

Pure Badger Hair
The hair is picked from the neck, shoulder, abdomen and buttocks of the badger.


http://www.styleandgrooming.com/history-rooneys.php

[CyberJCM]

Thanks alot cvac, Koosh! I think that may have decided it for me. I really miss my first brush, the Rooney 3/1 in Pure that I sold. I'm thinking I may go with the Rooney 3/1 or 2/1 in Super Silvertip! Price is good, reviews are good, the company heritage is good. I'll have to make the final call after I raise a few funds!

[CyberJCM]

Though let me ask this: (I know, I'm indecisive!)

Rooney 3/1 in Super Silvertip vs. Semogue Owners Club Badger

Who wins?

[franz]

Two-band Heritage is incredibly luxurious -- very, very soft at the tips with good backbone. Some people find the ultra-soft feel off-putting, though. It's somewhat like lathering with a pillow... or a firm cloud.

[cvac]

I'm in the process of trying to narrow down my list of choices for a 2-band from one of the big names and the SOC didn't even make the initial list due to numerous reports of scritch. If you don't mind scritchy brushes I imagine it is a nice brush.

I love my Semogue 2015 (3 band silvertip) btw, but it just doesn't have the backbone or density of my little 1/1 Rooney. A lot of that is due to the high by B&B standards loft (56mm). To a lot of guys here, it would be a "floppy" brush.

2 band vs. 3 band is really an apples to oranges comparison. 2 band hair is thicker and stiffer and can have more backbone than 3 band. It can also be quite scritchy/scratch depending on the brand.

Bottom line... if you want a nice all 'rounder that won't break the bank you're not going to find anything better than the Rooney in Super.

[CyberJCM]

Thanks again cvac! You confirmed my gut feeling about the Rooney! I think it's going to be the winner!

[Sancho Panza]

An EJ Silvertip?

[Prof. Moriarty]

An EJ Silvertip?
+1 I love mine.

[CyberJCM]

An EJ Silvertip?

Aren't their brushes made by Rooney or a similar company?

[Prof. Moriarty]

Aren't their brushes made by Rooney or a similar company?
Far as I know Edwin Jagger is made by Edwin Jagger in Sheffield England.

[cvac]

No, they're not AFAIK. EJ brushes are the same as Muhle brushes, I believe. They're not bad, but would be "floppy" by B&B standards. I've handled some of the Silvertips and they feel very luxurious, just probably not what you're looking for.

I think you may be confusing EJ with T&H. T&H has two lines of brushes. A cheaper line made Vulfix and a more expensive one made by Rooney. What T&H calls Silvertip in their Rooney made line is equivalent to the Super Silvertip Rooneys that Vintage Blades sells. At one time, T&H offered a 20% coupon to B&B members so I got my Rooney 1/1 through them. Now that coupon has been taken down to 10% so price is more even between the two sources. T&H claims that their Rooney made brushes are slightly "overstuffed" but I'm not sure about that. Either way you will get a very dense brush. For the 1/1 and the 3/1, T&H offers some unique handle colors that Vintage blades does not have.


Aren't their brushes made by Rooney or a similar company?

[thIs6Nly]

No Simpsons, no recommendation.

[Prof. Moriarty]

No, they're not AFAIK. EJ brushes are the same as Muhle brushes, I believe. They're not bad, but would be "floppy" by B&B standards. I've handled some of the Silvertips and they feel very luxurious, just probably not what you're looking for.

My medium EJ Silvertip is not floppy imho, can ask David (Optometrist) what he thinks of his EJ brush.

Edit: Here is a video of the making of an EJ Brush (Handmade in Sheffield England).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA5VQuaKCxI

[OkieStubble]

I would suggest the TGN finest 22mm knot set in your handle of preference. It is very soft at the tips and a nice mount of backbone as well. With the 2band they get Coarser(for lack of a better word) as they get larger. Coarser does not mean prickly at all in any size.26mm starts the beginning of exfoliating i believe and 30mm is definitely exfoliating but still not prickly at all.

+1 My TGN 22 mm finest two-band stuffed extra hair, set at 50mm in my R40 Everready handle is all the luxury badger I need. I am mostly a boar guy also. However John, If you like Semogues Have you seen Blix's avatar? He has a set of matching Semogue SOC brushes. One in boar and one in two band badger. I think they both have cherry wood handles. They look awesome in his avatar.

[wimbouman]

Can I chime in and suggest comparing the 2015, and the SOC to the 3/1 is a bit like the old apples and oranges?

IMHO the 2015 is with its 22 * 57 mm size hardly comparable to the SOC in Two Band 24 * 53 mm.
It is a completely different brush. Also, the hair of the SOC is higher graded.

I am not familiar with the Rooney sizes, but I expect this 3/1 to be small and with its 22 * 44 mm also a different brush.

My choice would be the SOC.
And that is because I'd prefer its larger size and as an owner I can testify that the knot is excellent and luxurious indeed.

Nevertheless, both are obvious nice brushes from renowned brush makers.
So, basically you cannot go wrong.

But expect very different brushes.


http://images.ientrymail.com/expertphotoshop/applesandoranges/1.jpg






I'm in the process of trying to narrow down my list of choices for a 2-band from one of the big names and the SOC didn't even make the initial list due to numerous reports of scritch. If you don't mind scritchy brushes I imagine it is a nice brush.

I love my Semogue 2015 (3 band silvertip) btw, but it just doesn't have the backbone or density of my little 1/1 Rooney. A lot of that is due to the high by B&B standards loft (56mm). To a lot of guys here, it would be a "floppy" brush.

2 band vs. 3 band is really an apples to oranges comparison. 2 band hair is thicker and stiffer and can have more backbone than 3 band. It can also be quite scritchy/scratch depending on the brand.

Bottom line... if you want a nice all 'rounder that won't break the bank you're not going to find anything better than the Rooney in Super.

[CyberJCM]

Your right! I was thinking T&H. Sorry Moriarty! Great vid BTW! cvac thats a great tip on the discount code, I'll check it out!

Come to think of it I've heard the floppy criticism of the EJ brushes before. I'm not one who likes his brush buried in the handle like some, but I don't like floppy either. Goldilocks I tell ya! :wink2:

Okie, I like the Semogue SOC's, and having the pair at some time has definitely crossed my mind! My only concern is they do boar so well, that they'd be a little disappointing for badger. But I'm going to keep that idea in mind down the road.

[Prof. Moriarty]

Your right! I was thinking T&H. Sorry Moriarty! Great vid BTW! cvac thats a great tip on the discount code, I'll check it out!

Come to think of it I've heard the floppy criticism of the EJ brushes before. I'm not one who likes his brush buried in the handle like some, but I don't like floppy either. Goldilocks I tell ya! :wink2:

Okie, I like the Semogue SOC's, and having the pair at some time has definitely crossed my mind! My only concern is they do boar so well, that they'd be a little disappointing for badger. But I'm going to keep that idea in mind down the road.

Sorry to continue on this but I honestly don't feel that the EJ Medium Silvertip is floppy, I can't really find anything about it being floppy in here either:
http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php/171983-Brush-Chronicles-2-The-Edwin-Jagger-Medium-Silvertip

Good luck in finding the brush for you.

[cvac]

To clarify:

My discussion of the Semogue 2015 was only to mention that I'm not biased against Semogue badger brushes and that I the one I have quite a bit. I wasn't trying to suggest it to the OP nor was I trying to compare it to SOC badger. Regardless, a somewhat scritchy 2 band brush is not what I'd consider an all 'rounder or desert island brush. Maybe for some people but not for most.

EJ brushes are good brushes, and they are only floppy by B&B standards (which lean towards "dense" brushes with 50mm and less lofts), plus they don't really fit the requirements of what the OP is looking for. I'd certainly take one over a Vulfix, but they don't hold a candle to Rooney, Thater, Shavemac, etc.

A Rooney 1/1 or 3/1 Super will seem small if you look at the specs, but the knots are so dense that they hold a TON of lather...especially after being used a week or so...the knot will bloom a little more and release lather better.

Anyway, let us know what you end up going with.

[Rylos]

LOL @ a recent tweet...

"@AESimpson1919: One badger to rule them all that isn't a Simpson? Is that a serious question 'cos if it is - it's just plain daft!!! ..."

[CyberJCM]

LOL @ a recent tweet...

"@AESimpson1919: One badger to rule them all that isn't a Simpson? Is that a serious question 'cos if it is - it's just plain daft!!! ..."

LOL Wow my thread is tweet worthy! How funny is that?! Who does that come from anyway? Just curious! I don't use twitter. :smile:

[ruebis]

Savile Row 26 or 28 for me.

[Harvitz81]

Well since you can no longer get a Rooney Finest (my brush that rules them all), I would vote for a Shavemac D01 2-band or a Semogue LE Badger 2 if you can still find it. This have a bit more scritch to them and are not cloud soft. If you can't stand any scritch then I would vote a Thater 2-band or Rooney heritage XL line.

[Vlad]

LOL Wow my thread is tweet worthy! How funny is that?! Who does that come from anyway? Just curious! I don't use twitter. :smile:

That's got to be Simpsons own account! I think it's Mark, THE MAN at Simpson/Vulfix.

[Shady24]

Savile Row 3824 would be my choice...

[Rylos]

That's got to be Simpsons own account! I think it's Mark, THE MAN at Simpson/Vulfix.

Yes.

[Face&Head]

LOL Wow my thread is tweet worthy! How funny is that?! Who does that come from anyway? Just curious! I don't use twitter. :smile:

Mark also tweeted that they're running a series of favorite styles in butterscotch!

[CyberJCM]

That's got to be Simpsons own account! I think it's Mark, THE MAN at Simpson/Vulfix.

How funny! Well, I'm not one to take offense easily, so being called daft for my opinion of Simpson is ok by me! But Vlad, let's not help inflate their already overly inflated ego and opinion of their products by calling him THE MAN!
:wink2:

[captp]

As much as I really like all of my Simpsons, I probably wouldn't vote on any of them as the One Badger to rule them all (except, possibly my mutant CH2, which would be close ).

My vote would have to be my Plisson HMW16. Ridicuslously expensive, but worth the money. Soft as air tips, enough backbone so that it's not floppy, and the BEST latherer I have. It would be desertt island brush, except for the fact that I'd grow a full beard on a desert island.

[craig87c]

LOL @ a recent tweet...

"@AESimpson1919: One badger to rule them all that isn't a Simpson? Is that a serious question 'cos if it is - it's just plain daft!!! ..."


They're always good for an eye roll.


That's got to be Simpsons own account! I think it's Mark, THE MAN at Simpson/Vulfix.

Sure is Mark. The same reactions that made him so popular around here :lol:

[Scritchnscrub]

The Savile Rows would be at the top of my list if the OP hadn't stipulated that they have to look sharp; there are sharper looking brushes for sure.

I have to go with QED Select - if you can still snag one; or a Shavemac 22mm D01 3 or 2-and bulb. Go 3-band if softness is the prioroty and 2-band if you want scrubby and soft too.

[CyberJCM]

Another question! I know Im full of 'em!

What can you guys tell me about the Thater? In particular the models Bullgoose has discounted? They seem like a nice brush, though I'm not sure where the hair falls in the scheme of things. I notice it's a very pronounced bulb shape, whereas the Rooneys aren't quite as much.

What can you most excellent gents tell me about them and how they compare to my front runner?

[Vlad]

Another question! I know Im full of 'em!

What can you guys tell me about the Thater? In particular the models Bullgoose has discounted? They seem like a nice brush, though I'm not sure where the hair falls in the scheme of things. I notice it's a very pronounced bulb shape, whereas the Rooneys aren't quite as much.

What can you most excellent gents tell me about them and how they compare to my front runner?

I've had shedding issues with both of the Plexi 4 brushes I've had, so I'm rather unhappy about that. It might be due in part to the large knot. Anyway, supersoft hair, which is what I like. I tend to like fan shape rather than bulb, but on Thaters the shape helps give it some backbone. Otherwise they would be floppy. It's not going to be a soap monster like a Heritage XL, or give that kind of face massage, but it feels great on the face--luxurious. Great time to get one at bullgoose.

There's also a new 2-band Thater, but I haven't tried one. Don't think they're as soft.

[cvac]

I have a Thater 4125/1. I love it, but it's a different animal than my Rooney 1/1 Super. Thater 3 band brushes seem like a compromise between a "floppy" luxurious brush and a "dense" brush. It is not as dense as my Rooney but is still quite dense. Backbone is quite good in terms of "soft" brushes but it can't match the Rooney. Thater 3 band Silvertip hair is maybe just a touch softer than the Rooney Super hair at the tips but not by much. Both feel very soft to me and I have sensitive skin. Thater has more flow through than the Rooney and did not require any real break in time.

The bulb knot on the Thater is "different" for me, and I will say at this point that I tend to prefer fan shaped knots...I find it easier to load soft and hard soaps with the fan shaped Rooney because more of the knot makes contact with the soap...you can compensate for this by making side to side motions to make sure the knot is more even loaded and you're not putting too much stress on the core of the knot. With the Rooney, less effort is required and I don't really even have to think about it. In terms of value for $ and ease of use, Rooney wins. However, I'm not about to give up my Thater. I like the brush a lot. I was going to buy a Thater 2-band as my second Thater until the recent "Thatergate" debacle...I still might eventually, but the whole thing has given me serious doubts about whether or not I would trust Thater to take care of any issues should they arise.

[shm]

I love the bulb shape, and I love my Thäter.
Plenty of backbone and the softest tips I have yet tried - one of my favourite brushes for sure.
Mine lost 3-4 hairs total in the first couple of shaves, but none since.


And just to comment on previous posts;
I agree with Wim; you can't compare the Semogue 2015 with the SOC 2-band.
And I know it is something that we never can agree upon, as it is a personal feel, but my SOC is not scritchy in any way, it is the most soft tipped Finest badger I have in my collection.
Just to give an idea; it has softer tips than my Simpson PJ2 in Super and my Shavemac D01 three band - one of my favourite brushes for sure (just to repeat myself :001_smile)

These two brushes (Thäter and SOC not Simpson and Shavemac :biggrin1:) are my two favourites which I can't decide between (it's like choosing between Monica Bellucci and Salma Hayek :wink:)

[Wilfredio]

Since you're a Semogue fan. Why not actually try a one?
I've been using the 730HD silvertip these last few weeks, and get pretty nice results with it. I am not pretending to be a big expert on brushes but I like mine a lot, capable of doing everything I ask of it.

[Face&Head]

(it's like choosing between Monica Bellucci and Salma Hayek :wink:)

Not hard at all, they're both gorgeous, but Salma has enough spice to make the world spin.

[Pgg365247]

Mark also tweeted that they're running a series of favorite styles in butterscotch!

Is there any more information on this? I would be very interested in a link or some more atmospherics discussing all the normal gouge (brush model, time frame etc)

[Face&Head]

Is there any more information on this? I would be very interested in a link or some more atmospherics discussing all the normal gouge (brush model, time frame etc)

No, just a short tweet...I'd email Mark and ask him if you have something specific in mind.

[CyberJCM]

Ok guys, I did it! I made a choice and made a purchase!

I went with the Thater Plexi 3 on sale from Bullgoose!

Nice price, nice transaction. My only little complaint was, I dunno for where Phil's collecting sales tax, but it was a little high at about 9%. Not used to paying that much tax online. Oh well!

So yep, the Thater Plexi 3! I actually wanted the 2 but he was all out. I kinda wanted to save the money and go with the Stout at about the same size and save a few $'s... But daddy's little girl, who takes daddy's shaving very serious (if you saw our Williams Lather Vid you know), insisted that I go with the "clear one" in the "just right" size. Well, I got "the big one" instead but thats ok, I'm very excited and she is pleased! :smile:

I chose the Thater over the Rooney for a couple reasons. I researched the heck out of them BTW. I really like the idea of a super soft and luxurious brush, and by all accounts the Thater is that. Sounds like the backbone and flow through are sufficient enough for me as well, also a plus. I also liked the handle, a little different and that goes with my sharp looking desire. I also couldn't help but be drawn to that bulb shape! Wow! Maybe it's the male preoccupation with the hemispherical shape. :wink2: I dunno, but I wanted it! The Rooney was a little closer to a fan, which isn't really my preference. And, though it isn't necessarliy important to me, I got a much bigger brush for the money. Oh, and the sale prices really helped too!

So thanks everyone for the recommendations! I appreciate it and can't wait to receive it! If anyone can share anything about their Thaters, or what to expect etc, I'd love to hear it!

[Pgg365247]

Congrats! I love my Thater... I don't believe you will regret your decision.

[cvac]

Hope you like the brush. If you prefer a bulb knot, Thater was the right decision. The octagonal handles are also very comfortable. Enjoy your new brush.

[brucered]

Nice looking brush Cyber...30mm knot. WOW

you have me looking at Thater as well, and it's probably the perfect time to get one, with the price drop and all.

[Face&Head]

Nice looking brush Cyber...30mm knot. WOW you have me looking at Thater as well, and it's probably the perfect time to get one, with the price drop and all.

The 49125-3 is an amazing brush (middle below).

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[Mike'sWorld]

Ok guys, I did it! I made a choice and made a purchase!

I went with the Thater Plexi 3 on sale from Bullgoose!

Nice price, nice transaction. My only little complaint was, I dunno for where Phil's collecting sales tax, but it was a little high at about 9%. Not used to paying that much tax online. Oh well!

So yep, the Thater Plexi 3! I actually wanted the 2 but he was all out. I kinda wanted to save the money and go with the Stout at about the same size and save a few $'s... But daddy's little girl, who takes daddy's shaving very serious (if you saw our Williams Lather Vid you know), insisted that I go with the "clear one" in the "just right" size. Well, I got "the big one" instead but thats ok, I'm very excited and she is pleased! :smile:

I chose the Thater over the Rooney for a couple reasons. I researched the heck out of them BTW. I really like the idea of a super soft and luxurious brush, and by all accounts the Thater is that. Sounds like the backbone and flow through are sufficient enough for me as well, also a plus. I also liked the handle, a little different and that goes with my sharp looking desire. I also couldn't help but be drawn to that bulb shape! Wow! Maybe it's the male preoccupation with the hemispherical shape. :wink2: I dunno, but I wanted it! The Rooney was a little closer to a fan, which isn't really my preference. And, though it isn't necessarliy important to me, I got a much bigger brush for the money. Oh, and the sale prices really helped too!

So thanks everyone for the recommendations! I appreciate it and can't wait to receive it! If anyone can share anything about their Thaters, or what to expect etc, I'd love to hear it!

You'll be well pleased. The comments so far have been spot on. Thater's have luxurious tips, the only brush that makes Simpson's best hair seem scritchy.The tips just turn to gel when the brush gets wet. Lots of backbone due to density, so loading hard soaps are no problem. The octo handle was iffy at first, but I quickly grew confident handling it and have never had a slip. Use it in good health and please post pics when it comes in.

[CyberJCM]

Thanks guys! I'm stoked and I will definitely post pics, maybe a review even! :smile:

Face & Head, you're pics were a big help in making my choice! Thanks for those!

Bruce, I say go for it. We can cross compare when you get it!

[CyberJCM]

Hey guys, didn't even think about this one until now...

What brush stand will I need for this Thater Plexi 3? I'm sure the one I have won't work...

[kooshman7]

I used to think that you needed a brush stand, but I started going standless for about a year now and really haven't looked back. I've never noticed brushes in a stand drying faster than ones you just stand up.

[Mindflux]

I used to think that you needed a brush stand, but I started going standless for about a year now and really haven't looked back. I've never noticed brushes in a stand drying faster than ones you just stand up.


I find my brushes splay out less with a stand. Was stand less for 6 years. Have one stand I use now for several brushes just to dry.

[kooshman7]

I find my brushes splay out less with a stand. Was stand less for 6 years. Have one stand I use now for several brushes just to dry.

Never noticed that, but like most things, YMMV. It probably does though, especially if you hang it right where the knot meets the handle.

[CyberJCM]

Wow,

That was a fun read this fine morning...

I just finished a really nice PIF yesterday inspired by a generous PIF I had received. What a joy receiving that PIF, and then giving back generously in return was for me...

Look for a PIF from me later today of that very item I was PIF'd. I don't feel right about keeping it now. It'll be in the General Discussion section.

[kooshman7]

The 49125-3 is an amazing brush (middle below).

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Just so you know I hold you responsible for me picking up a Plexi 3. :001_tongu

Now I need to find who was to blame for that R89 Grande razor... :confused1

[GearHead_1]

I used to think that you needed a brush stand, but I started going standless for about a year now and really haven't looked back. I've never noticed brushes in a stand drying faster than ones you just stand up.

I've never put a clock to it but suspect hanging a brush would allow the knot to dry more quickly simply because the water could run out rather down into the tightest part of the cluster. Whether or not this is a significant amount of time would certainly be open for debate. My brushes definitely seem to "bloom" a bit less hanging rather than standing.

[Mindflux]

GearHead_1.. name seems familiar. DetailCity?

[CyberJCM]

I'm thinking there is a relation to bloom and whether or not a stand was used. I am breaking in a new Semogue 2030B that doesn't fit in my only stand. The stand opening is too big! So I've been standing it up and the outside hairs are going out wide kinda crazy like. I know boars do this during the break in and can always look a little unkempt. But my 830 which I did hang didn't really do this.

So I'm definitely wanting a stand for this Thater. Anyone have a suggestion to fit the Plexi 3?

[GearHead_1]

GearHead_1.. name seems familiar. DetailCity?Yes, I wondered the same thing when I saw your user name. You no doubt know that DC no longer exists as such.

[craig87c]

PM a guy named ssilcox about a stand and thank me later!


I'm thinking there is a relation to bloom and whether or not a stand was used. I am breaking in a new Semogue 2030B that doesn't fit in my only stand. The stand opening is too big! So I've been standing it up and the outside hairs are going out wide kinda crazy like. I know boars do this during the break in and can always look a little unkempt. But my 830 which I did hang didn't really do this.

So I'm definitely wanting a stand for this Thater. Anyone have a suggestion to fit the Plexi 3?

[kooshman7]

I've never put a clock to it but suspect hanging a brush would allow the knot to dry more quickly simply because the water could run out rather down into the tightest part of the cluster. Whether or not this is a significant amount of time would certainly be open for debate. My brushes definitely seem to "bloom" a bit less hanging rather than standing.

It's a highly controversial thing around here. Someone did a test with it standing on the handle to dry, and hanging in a stand to dry and didn't note any difference. Many state that capillary action allows the brush to dry standing upright and it's actually a slight hindrance to put it on a stand. I just say if you feel you need a stand and don't mind getting one go for it! There's some beautiful metal stands out there. :smile:

[Vlad]

i just bought a Thater Cream Sout 2 (http://www.bullgooseshaving.net/hthcrst2insu.html),...does that me me an :out: too?

:a11:

Apparently it means you're a genius!

[GearHead_1]

Yeah, I'm not willing to go to the mat on whether it's the easiest or the most efficient way and I certainly can't say that I feel a need. I have no doubt there has been serious discussion and tests run. I understand capillary action as well and how it works in the face of external forces. My mind just tells me that gravity works, that makes me happy. ;)

[Mindflux]

Yes, I wondered the same thing when I saw your user name. You no doubt know that DC no longer exists as such.

Yes sir, that was indeed a sad day when I got that email.

[brucered]

Apparently it means you're a genius!

not really, i can't even spell STOUT correctly. :arf:

that said, it was a tough choice, but with the help of this tread and many PM's to members, i finally pulled the trigger on it today.

[GearHead_1]

Yes sir, that was indeed a sad day when I got that email. No doubt that it is now a different "City".

[CyberJCM]

It arrived!

Wow next day, extremely cool! It looks and feels great. I can't wait to use it. I got the scrolling logo, not my favorite but no big deal.

I have some neat pics of it to share with you guys I just finished taking. Check them out!

It comes in a nice box!

http://www.johnmastro.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/IMG_0796-e1329437422376.jpg

Here it is out of the box:

http://www.johnmastro.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/IMG_0797-e1329437401473.jpg

Here it is side by side with my Semogue 830. Not exactly a real comparision as they are so different but it shows some interesting differences and size:

http://www.johnmastro.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/IMG_0802-e1329437278487.jpg

Top down of the knots:

http://www.johnmastro.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/IMG_0799-e1329437353919.jpg

This is a neat comparison. Side by side with my restored/modded Surrey with a TGN 28mm Finest bulb thats bloomed a bit. Kinda looks like the 28mm Finest is bigger than the Thater 30mm doesn't it? Hard to say but it shows the difference in bulb shape as well.

http://www.johnmastro.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/IMG_0800-e1329437333478.jpg

Top down of these two knots. How about that density huh?

http://www.johnmastro.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/IMG_0801-e1329437314373.jpg

Hope you enjoyed those! I can't wait to shave with it!

[Prof. Moriarty]

Enjoy the brush, report if it does the weird crusty drying. Looks great by the way :thumbsup:

[brucered]

It arrived!

Wow next day, extremely cool! It looks and feels great. I can't wait to use it. I got the scrolling logo, not my favorite but no big deal.

I have some neat pics of it to share with you guys I just finished taking. Check them out!

Hope you enjoyed those! I can't wait to shave with it!

Yowsa! it looks awesome. reaffirms my Stout 2 purchase today.

Thanks for all the comparison pics, it looks fantastic. i think it's a winner.

[kooshman7]

Looks really good! I especially like the Plexi 3 and Semogue 830 photo. Gives me an idea of what to expect as I have one also! I specifically requested the old school logo like you have. I didn't like the newer logo Thater went with at all so I'll be happy. Very interesting shot of the VDH 28mm Finest as well. It definitely looks bigger initially thanks to the longer loft!

[kooshman7]

Just got my Plexi 3 in today and could've went up to a 4 even if I wanted with no problems I feel. The knot doesn't feel huge even though it's 28mm+. I haven't used it yet but initially it feels very soft and just a very, very slight touch of scrub, but I do mean slight. While not dense, It isn't floppy either. I think it feels right initially and will prove to have excellent flow. One quibble is the handle. Thater missed some very obvious scratches in the handle. They're near the bottom thankfully and out of the way for the most part. I might be able to work them out with something too. It happens though, and I have it on other acrylic brushes too, just not to the effect this one does.

[franz]

I have a Plexi 3 on the way, unfortunately... to keep my Plexi 2 company. John, I hope you get a lot of joy out of your new brush -- it's a beauty.

[shanman]

I ended up getting a 49125/0 to replace the rabbit's foot on my keychain. We'll see how driving and shaving goes.

[Mr. Scruffy]

Without a doubt the one badger brush to rule them all is the Thater 2-band Finest Silver Tip, bulb shaped.

Simpson comes nowhere near this brush, not even with the 90th Anniversary Astor.

I am so convinced of this that a purchased another 4292/5 (with imitation horn handle) today.

Now, where is that BST Forum...?

[brucered]

Without a doubt the one badger brush to rule them all is the Thater 2-band Finest Silver Tip, bulb shaped.

Simpson comes nowhere near this brush, not even with the 90th Anniversary Astor.

I am so convinced of this that a purchased another 4292/5 (with imitation horn handle) today.

Now, where is that BST Forum...?

while not the 2 band, i do have the Stout 2 (http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-16445739206724_2195_20415806) in Cream headed my way....i was really, really hoping it would have came today, but looks like i'll have to wait till next week.

[German]

+1 Got the same one.. should arrive tomorrow... it is my 7th Thaeter ... :001_wub:

Without a doubt the one badger brush to rule them all is the Thater 2-band Finest Silver Tip, bulb shaped.

Simpson comes nowhere near this brush, not even with the 90th Anniversary Astor.

I am so convinced of this that a purchased another 4292/5 (with imitation horn handle) today.

Now, where is that BST Forum...?

[Legion]

I would suggest the TGN finest 22mm knot set in your handle of preference. It is very soft at the tips and a nice mount of backbone as well. With the 2band they get Coarser(for lack of a better word) as they get larger. Coarser does not mean prickly at all in any size.26mm starts the beginning of exfoliating i believe and 30mm is definitely exfoliating but still not prickly at all.

This is exactly my go to brush. The knot works great, and you can get some very cool looking vintage handles.

[brucered]

mine showed up today...PERFECT...thanks to Phil for the excellent packaging and finding me one with the loft i wanted around 52-53mm (shorter the advertised.)

very happy.

http://s13.postimage.org/h0tn8tpyb/IMG_4713.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/h0tn8tpyb/) http://s13.postimage.org/5pqzkgj37/IMG_4714.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/5pqzkgj37/)

[CyberJCM]

Awesome Bruce! What do you think so far? And let us know what you think of it post shave!

[brucered]

Awesome Bruce! What do you think so far? And let us know what you think of it post shave!

calipers measure at about 27mm knot and about 52mm loft. i had asked for a little shorter loft (similar to the Plexi) and it looks like Phil came thru with flying colours at picking out a beauty for me.

test lather went great, post bloom look awesome.

it's drying right now to be ready for tomorrows big shave with the Mama Bear Toasted Coconut