Kansas City Chiefs Fire Head Coach Todd Haley - Here We Go

[Phog Allen]

Well, my sad sack Chiefs(Chefs?) are batting about .100 right now. They fired third year hc Todd Haley this morning after yesterday's debacle at the Jets. Now mind, I kind of understand why the guy got a penalty. Say what you want but the refs gave the Jets 80 yards of their 90 yard "drive" in the second half on penalties. Two defensive interference penalties that were suspect to put GENEROUSLY. However, for some reason the team has been completely uneven this year and the offense is non existent. Considering what Haley did with the O in Arizona and the WRs there it is apparent he knows what's up. We got Breaston from them in the off season and he was a bright spot.

To issues. Todd Haley is not an idiot. It is obvious by now that he and the GM did not mesh well. The guy is acerbic at times and head strong. Kind of like the GM Scott Pioli. And Pioli comes from the Pats orginisation which is quite structured from the top down. Whatever. I think in many ways the GM did not support the guy enough. We were THIRTY TWO MILLION UNDER THE CAP this year. The best they did was bring in McClean as a full back. And he does not figure much in the offense. We had three huge injuries this year to our main RB, TE, and our best safety. Then our QB goes down three weeks ago and well...it just hain't a good time to be a Chiefs fan.

I just hope this orginisation gets their act together. First it was three years of the buffoon H**m E*****s. Sorry I cannot bring myself to even say that idiot's name aloud or in type he was so incompetent And now evidently a big behind the scenes three year brouhaha between HC and GM. I hope the owner Clark Hunt gets off his arse and understands this team is on the precipice. Yeesh. This is getting old.

Cheers, Todd

[Mr_Amazing]

There's really no chance at competing being that far below the cap. That's 2 stud players right there and that makes a huge difference. I feel for Haley. Losing your qb is tough. Just ask the Colts, Texans, and Bears. It's unfair to fire a coach who has to deal with such adversity and is expected to compete. He was set up to fail from the beginning.

As for my Bears, I WISH they would fire the head coach, Lovie Smith. He gave the Broncos the game by playing prevent defense with 5 minutes to go. It was the last straw for me, as a fan. I hope he fails miserably, even if the Bears don't make the playoffs (which they won't).

[k2clones29]

I like to think my Broncos and Tim Tebow had something to do with that.

I liked the Chiefs last year, but they never recovered from the playoff loss. Todd Haleyis a good coach, but he was done when Scott Peoli got hired as GM. If I were a betting man, I'd expect Josh McDaniels to get hired as head coach with Romeo Crennel as DC and Charlie Weiss as OC. KC will be transformed into New England 2 (Without the rings).

[SalvadorMontenegro]

Makes no sense to me. They lost their best offensive player and their best defensive player within the first two weeks of the season. Later, they lost their quarterback. How this is Todd Haley's fault is something I can't figure out.

I can understand the Sparano firing in Miami, but not this one. Pioli was a good GM with New England. Maybe he has something in the works that the media doesn't know about...

[Phog Allen]

I know guys. To me, Todd Haley got dumped on a bit. As Salvador mentioned he lost the two(now four) best players he had. And what is even more bizarre is the guy is one year removed from winning his division. I kind of liked his hard edged personality. After the buffoonery of "hello, you play to win the game", who really did not have a clue, it was nice to see a tough nut come in and be disciplined. He worked these guys and say what you want but they were out there fighting hard for him till the end. And yeah, the salary cap issue was the most bizarre of all. He took a team that Carl Peterson and H**m E*****s literally gutted and turned them from 2-14 to division winners in two seasons. Yeah, the guy is an idiot all right.

And Mr. Amazing, I hear you about Smith. He and H**m came from the same coaching tree and ALL of them do this prevent defense crap with small leads and too much time left. Heck, it goes clear back to Mary Schottenheimer who did the same thing when he was coach here in K.C. I know H**m was on his staff but I am not sure about Smith. Anyway, they all play that Tampon 2 zone defense(Including our own DC Romeo Crennel) and it is always the same. Play pretty tough on fist and second down then lay off on third and long and give up a big first down because the middle of the field is WIDE open and the safeties are fifteen to twenty yards down field. Ugh.

Romeo has been named interim coach and I hope like crazy Pioli does not hire him full time. He proved in Cleveland he was average as HC and as our DC his defenses have given up huge numbers and points this year. And I don't want to hear about the D being out there too long and getting worn out because the O going three and out all the time. In the Jets game, just like Buffalo and Detroit, they were getting their arses handed to them from the opening whistle. It was 14-0 before the end of the first quarter. I guess I had better shut it up before I get riled but this orginisation had best get some things straight and do it fast.

Cheers, Todd

[Phog Allen]

BTW, we can rule out Charlie Weis as OC for the Chiefs. He just signed a multi year deal with the Jayhawks(about 30 miles from the Chiefs) to be their head coach for $2.5 million per year. I think he's set for awhile.

Cheers, Todd

[Mr_Amazing]

I know guys. To me, Todd Haley got dumped on a bit. As Salvador mentioned he lost the two(now four) best players he had. And what is even more bizarre is the guy is one year removed from winning his division. I kind of liked his hard edged personality. After the buffoonery of "hello, you play to win the game", who really did not have a clue, it was nice to see a tough nut come in and be disciplined. He worked these guys and say what you want but they were out there fighting hard for him till the end. And yeah, the salary cap issue was the most bizarre of all. He took a team that Carl Peterson and H**m E*****s literally gutted and turned them from 2-14 to division winners in two seasons. Yeah, the guy is an idiot all right.

And Mr. Amazing, I hear you about Smith. He and H**m came from the same coaching tree and ALL of them do this prevent defense crap with small leads and too much time left. Heck, it goes clear back to Mary Schottenheimer who did the same thing when he was coach here in K.C. I know H**m was on his staff but I am not sure about Smith. Anyway, they all play that Tampon 2 zone defense(Including our own DC Romeo Crennel) and it is always the same. Play pretty tough on fist and second down then lay off on third and long and give up a big first down because the middle of the field is WIDE open and the safeties are fifteen to twenty yards down field. Ugh.

Romeo has been named interim coach and I hope like crazy Pioli does not hire him full time. He proved in Cleveland he was average as HC and as our DC his defenses have given up huge numbers and points this year. And I don't want to hear about the D being out there too long and getting worn out because the O going three and out all the time. In the Jets game, just like Buffalo and Detroit, they were getting their arses handed to them from the opening whistle. It was 14-0 before the end of the first quarter. I guess I had better shut it up before I get riled but this orginisation had best get some things straight and do it fast.

Cheers, Todd

I don't mind the cover 2. I really don't. The Bears have shown that they are fully capable of making it work. It's more about speed and less about size/physicality. With that said, you are right about 3rd down and late-game situations. I'm no professional, but common sense says "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." The problem is that they try to fix it in order to be extra cautious a score isn't given up on a single play, but it ends up allowing huge chunks of yards to be gotten with ease by offenses. This is what doomed the Bears. If they had just played their regular defense, Denver likely doesn't get that tying field goal due to time.

k2clones29, Tebow and the Broncos played well down the stretch, but they were absolutely gifted a win. The Broncos didn't do anything against the base Bears defense and then all of a sudden, the Bears change the defense and the Broncos score twice in a row. That is far less Broncos winning than it is Bears losing.

[mmack66]

I like to think my Broncos and Tim Tebow had something to do with that.

I liked the Chiefs last year, but they never recovered from the playoff loss. Todd Haleyis a good coach, but he was done when Scott Peoli got hired as GM. If I were a betting man, I'd expect Josh McDaniels to get hired as head coach with Romeo Crennel as DC and Charlie Weiss as OC. KC will be transformed into New England 2 (Without the rings).

Scott Pioli hired him. :confused1

As a long suffering Chiefs fan, I am glad to see Todd Haley go.

All is for naught, however, if they don't pick up a franchise quarterback.

[California Cajun]

I can't understand why this franchise has struggled so much. I remember the Hank Stram-Len Dawson teams and they were really exciting. They have the fans.

[mmack66]

I can't understand why this franchise has struggled so much. I remember the Hank Stram-Len Dawson teams and they were really exciting. They have the fans.

They have a chronic unwillingness to draft and develop a franchise quarterback, and when they try, they pick the wrong one. That, and they hire coaches who concentrate their focus on one side of the ball, to the detriment of the other.

[Phog Allen]

They have a chronic unwillingness to draft and develop a franchise quarterback, and when they try, they pick the wrong one. That, and they hire coaches who concentrate their focus on one side of the ball, to the detriment of the other.

Personally Mack I agree with you other than maybe one point. It was really popular around K.C. radio to bash Dick Vermeil as only interested in offense and that he cared not for defense, etc. In fact, many personalities locally used to prop up H**m with a generic; The team is in the shape it is because of Dick Vermeil... But if you look back at his press conferences he REGULARLY paid homage to his number nine rated defense in St. Louis as a major factor in their superbowl bid. And what a shape the K.C. team was. 13-3, 10-6 and at least making playoffs. It was the godfather Carl who did not want to spend money on D at the time.

And that brings me to the part where I agree wholeheartedly with you. Other than Vermeil's admissions about needing both sides of the ball the rest of the last twenty years has been feast and famine on either side of the ball. The absolute unwilling nature of management to invest heavily in both sides though combined draft and free agency has brought us to this. And you are SPOT ON about the QB situation. We have not had a franchise QB since Len Dawson. Fully 45 years in the past. What the...? I hope they get this right or the famous fan base here may look like it did in 1978.,

Cheers, Todd

[mmack66]

They had relative success under Dick Vermeil, but thanks to the Greg Robinson defense, every game was a nail biter, which you normally wouldn't expect when you have the highest rated offense. The only real chance we have had at anything was when they brought in Joe Montana. We might have had a chance in '97 if Schottenheimer hadn't started Elvis Grbac, after having been out for several weeks, in place of Rich Gannon.

It's all very frustrating.