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SuperChris
08-04-2011, 01:46 PM
Do you guys have different lathering methods using a boar brush than a badger brush? I am having problems getting a good lather. I watch the vids on youtube and copy what they do but I can't quite get the hang of it. I have an Omega boar brush and in most of the vids, the guy is using a badger. Any help is appreciated.

salisburyyates
08-04-2011, 01:54 PM
I use my boar brush for lathering soap. I find that boar collects more through its harsher bristles and this creates a very effective lather for face lathering after swirling on the puck. Badger brushes are denser in most cases and thus are great when cream is applied directly to the bristles, as it will create a lather rapidly. I've used a soft bristled badger on soap and they are definitely less effective at picking up soap.

Saltchuck
08-04-2011, 02:23 PM
I use my boar brush for lathering soap.

Right. Boar brush for soap. Badger brush for cream.

BrianK
08-04-2011, 02:31 PM
I use both types interchangeably, and I use them both with the same trechnique mostly. One difference is the badger will hold water better, so I shake it off a little better before putting it to the soap or cream. Other than that, the same.

SC, do you have hard water?

SuperChris
08-04-2011, 03:46 PM
SC, do you have hard water?

I do have hard water but I also have one of those filtration systems that you have to add salt to that counteracts the hard water.

FL shaver
08-04-2011, 04:05 PM
I'm finding that a pure badger really likes to dig into a triple milled soap.

Go West Young Man
08-04-2011, 04:40 PM
It's more that every brush is different so technique needs to be adjusted...

grignak
08-04-2011, 06:59 PM
One difference is the badger will hold water better, so I shake it off a little better before putting it to the soap or cream.

+1

My first month, I could not make a good lather because I always used too much water. Once I learned to shake/squeeze more water out, my lather improved quickly.

Kevan
08-04-2011, 07:07 PM
Both badger and boar can be used interchangeably in my opinion. the "boar for soaps, badger for creams" thing is not necessarily true (for instance, with my floppy Omega silvertip and EJ Super, I can make great lather with hard soaps and my Semogue is a cream monster). Omega boars are terrific brushes however you slice it; you just have to work with them. Two tricks that work well for me for boar are (1) soaking the bristles at least 3-5 minutes before the shave and (2) spend at least 20 seconds loading on the soap puck, if you're using a soap.

penmanship
08-04-2011, 07:21 PM
I use both & personally find that my badger I use for face lathering (almost exclusivly) and depending on my mood the boar for face or bowl lathering.

Mike Schutz
08-04-2011, 09:39 PM
I soak my boars while I'm in the shower. Other than that follow Marco's method of building a lather and you'll be home free. Remember, more product is always better.

Myosin
08-04-2011, 10:51 PM
I only have an omega boar and it has been amazing.

I have never had trouble lathering any cream or soap.

The only problem is that it tends to hold onto most of the lather, so you kinda have to "paint" it on your face after you're done working it over your face.

noahpictures
08-04-2011, 11:07 PM
I soak my boars while I'm in the shower. Other than that follow Marco's method of building a lather and you'll be home free. Remember, more product is always better.

+1

retiredguns
08-05-2011, 04:32 AM
I switch from boar to badger every other day without consideration of medium.

Drubbing
08-05-2011, 07:48 AM
Generally, boars will need loading up with more products, as badger tend to produce more lather per gram of product. Aside from boar being left a bit wetter to load soap, method is the same.

I don't subscribe to boar for soap badger for cream; it's purely a preference, turned into 'appropriate usage' myth.

takeshi
08-05-2011, 08:59 AM
I use silvertips for hard soaps -- you don't have to use boar. It's just a matter of using the right technique. I don't have any boars these days but generally I'd leave more water in the boars than in the badgers. Other than that, there's really not much difference in my experience.

Alraz
08-05-2011, 09:02 AM
Once you get your technique down, each should work well. Obviously, each brush would differ in stiffness, density and perhaps more importantly, water retention so you have to adjust.

Al raz.

SuperChris
08-05-2011, 09:20 AM
The only problem is that it tends to hold onto most of the lather, so you kinda have to "paint" it on your face after you're done working it over your face.


I shaved last night and noticed the same thing, way more lather in the brush than on my face.

Rivguy
08-05-2011, 01:27 PM
In my experience, there can be as much difference between badger brushes as there is between boar brushes. I have found that each brush has its own characteristics and must be taken into consideration whether using soaps or creams. I find some badgers to be incredibly thirsty while others not as much. Some have more backbone than others. I find that each brush should be approached for its own merits and strengths and enjoyed accordingly. If it does not give you enjoyment or you can not get the lather you desire, pass it along on the BST. Of course, always make certain that the brush is well broken in before you make a final judgement.

Regards,

Doug

phillylion
08-05-2011, 04:50 PM
I use the boar and badger interchangeably, although the technique differs for each brush, even within each category. The boar doesn't hold the lather as well as the badger, between passes.

rajagra
08-05-2011, 04:59 PM
I may have worked out why I have issues with my boar brush. With my badgers it's easy to fill the whole brush with lather, right down to the base of the knot. But my boar is very dense and thick at the base, and doesn't really allow lather to build there. The base is just wet. There may be lather on the outside, but inside it's just liquid, even if that water is a soapy mix.

I'm sure that watery stuff in the base is what causes the lather elsewhere to break down after a couple of passes.

Presbyteros
08-05-2011, 08:16 PM
Let's hear it for horsehair.

T-Dog
08-05-2011, 08:35 PM
Right. Boar brush for soap. Badger brush for cream.

+1!

newshavr
08-06-2011, 12:30 AM
Sorry if this is a stupid question but would it work better to lather from a soap to bowl with a Boar (since many of you say it loads better from a soap) and then grab the Badger to whip up the lather? I'm a total noob so any hints would help. I'm having trouble getting those nice thick fluffy lathers I see on all the YouTube vids.

Kentos
08-06-2011, 12:48 AM
Who says you need big globs of fluffy thick whipped cream lather for a good shave? As long as it lubricates your face and, assuming you shave with a DE, has a little body to it, you should be fine. Use more soap/cream, start with a less wet brush, and add water slowly...it should work out well. For fluffy lather, just whip it up longer. YMMV of course, but the longer I shave, the wetter I prefer my lather, and the less time I take whipping it up.

Drubbing
08-06-2011, 01:59 AM
boar brushes are inferior to badgers

They're not. Based on my experience with half a dozen boars, and 4 top line badgers. They're different, and the main one is badger make more lather. Usually more than most people need.

Have you any experience, or just recycling a myth based on the cost differential?

YetiDave
08-06-2011, 05:13 AM
I use omega boar for both soap and cream and get awesome results for both. I face lather, which probably makes quite a difference and I think I may be the only person here who doesn't soak the brush at all....

mftoms59
08-06-2011, 05:25 AM
Let's hear it for horsehair.


Horse is my first preference, and I do enjoy the Badger and Boar as well

SuperChris
08-06-2011, 10:55 AM
I use omega boar for both soap and cream and get awesome results for both. I face lather, which probably makes quite a difference and I think I may be the only person here who doesn't soak the brush at all....

I use an Omega boar and I have seen vids of people just running water over their brush instead of soaking them, I might give it a try next shave

Graves14
08-06-2011, 11:44 PM
love my omega boar for soaps!

kt66
08-07-2011, 06:40 AM
I only have an Omega boar. I use hard soaps and face lather, never had a problem, even with MWF, which it seems some people find difficult to lather.