lever gun recommendations

[gaseousclay]

i've been researching lever guns on and off for the past 6 months and I still haven't come to a decision yet as to which lever gun is the better lever gun. I know there are many makes and models out there but cost, reliability and features are all important factors for me. The two lever guns i've considered are 1) Winchester 94 and 2) Marlin 336

Winchester 94 pros:
- can be purchased used pretty cheaply
- is a well known and established brand

Winchester 94 cons:
- is incredibly expensive brand new
- has top eject which I dislike

Marlin 336 pros:
- can be purchased new cheaply
- has a side eject which I really like

Marlin 336 cons:
- the newer Marlins seem to have quality control issues from what i've read (ie. problems feeding cartridges, poorly made parts, etc.)

can anyone offer some objective advice on which is the better of the two, or if there are other decent brands out there I should consider?

[Docd]

I would say go with the Winchester. They're of top quality and I'm sure if you did encounter problems with the mechanics, it will come with a warranty. The warranty should come with a marlin too. However, if you're like me, you'd feel better (psychologically) knowing you have a Winchester repeater. One more tidbit is dont buy a small caliber. You either want .30-.30 or .45LC. A good an practical reason to get a .45LC is that you can get a SAA and both will take the same ammo.
-Happy shooting

Better yet... Buy a Garand!! .30-06 is the way to go.

[garyg]

I'd look for a lightly used vintage Marlin Model 336 in .35 Rem. I had a 336 built circa 1985, it was a horse in "thutty thutty". I've still got a pre-war Model 94 Winchester that was expensive but .. I've not looked at a Marlin 336 for some years, they used to be of better quality than Winchester. The other option is the Browning BLR, which I recall as more expensive, but comes in more "modern" calibers, if a 30-.06 qualifies as modern ....

Speaking from owning both, handling & shooting some others, a vintage Winchester 30/30 shoots as well as the Marlin, the (vintage) Marlins were more solidly constructed (and therefore heavier), Marlin had better woodwork ..

Think about whether that side eject is that important. Obviously it's an advantage if you are scoping the rifle, but there's a million or so 94's in the woods with scopes offset or mounted forward, shotgun style. Might be just me, but a 30/30 calls for a receiver sight anyway, it isn't a long range weapon.

So, another YMMV, get to a shop or show, handle a bunch of them. Your pricing observations are opposite of mine, but it has been a couple years since I bought a lever.

Not sure that helps, but hopefully gives you some points to ponder

[aceinyerface]

I'd second a lightly used 336. About $150. No one EVER shoots them enough to wear them out. If you like it, keep it. If you don't, sell it for what you paid and break even. If you decide to buy a new one, sell the old one for what you paid for it.

I have got some GREAT deals on used firearms. Letting someone else take the depreciation works for me.

[bones59]

+1 But, the bottom line is get what you like. Good luck


I'd look for a lightly used vintage Marlin Model 336 in .35 Rem. I had a 336 built circa 1985, it was a horse in "thutty thutty". I've still got a pre-war Model 94 Winchester that was expensive but .. I've not looked at a Marlin 336 for some years, they used to be of better quality than Winchester. The other option is the Browning BLR, which I recall as more expensive, but comes in more "modern" calibers, if a 30-.06 qualifies as modern ....

Speaking from owning both, handling & shooting some others, a vintage Winchester 30/30 shoots as well as the Marlin, the (vintage) Marlins were more solidly constructed (and therefore heavier), Marlin had better woodwork ..

Think about whether that side eject is that important. Obviously it's an advantage if you are scoping the rifle, but there's a million or so 94's in the woods with scopes offset or mounted forward, shotgun style. Might be just me, but a 30/30 calls for a receiver sight anyway, it isn't a long range weapon.

So, another YMMV, get to a shop or show, handle a bunch of them. Your pricing observations are opposite of mine, but it has been a couple years since I bought a lever.

Not sure that helps, but hopefully gives you some points to ponder

[deandroid]

I agree with Docd, Wincester if you can afford or get used. I have both myself(old winchester from my dad), and I have a Marlin in 45lc with two Ruger Vaquero's for cowboy shooting. Savage Arms used to make a lever gun but a think you would have to find on the used market. Have fun with the search for your rifle.

[jlanger]

As a family that uses levers exclusively I personally like model 94s. If you can find a pre 1964 model they're even better but most of them were built quite well. I have nothing against Marlins and My uncle has one with a simple 4x scope on it that's gotten more deer and other critters that I can imagine. I think the biggest issue between them would be to scope or not to scope. If you're ok with open sights, go with the Winchester, they tend to be lighter and more reliable, where the Marlin can be scoped but has a bit more heft to it (IMO) Cost is about the same for both if I can recall, used ones are running around $250-$400 depending on style and caliber.
Savage lever rifles are quite nice as well, though they're in a bit different class, I currently have a .308 and a 30/30 savage lever that both work well, the mechanisms inside need to be cleaned from time to time and you'll want to take it to a gunsmith to do it, though being able to use a higher power cartridge is nicer. They are very nice guns and work quite well with/without a scope, but they are heavy SOBs.
Lastly my current rifle is a BLR .308, this is the nicest lever rifle out there. decent weight, good firing characteristics (it doesn't kick like the savages do) and best of all it has a detachable magazine. However they are spendy, even used will run around $500-$600. However with the wide range of caliber choices and the detachable magazine If you can afford it this is the one to get.

[professorchaos]

For what it is worth, I really like my Marlin Guide Gun in 45/70. It is a solid, well made gun that has never given me a lick of trouble.

[Gustav Halbach]

Shop around and find yourself a classic - the Savage 99. It's the one lever gun I have kept over the years. They can be had at reasonable prices and you will have an American classic of which you can be proud.

-G

[jkingrph]

I have quite a few lever guns. Started out when in the second grade when dad bought me a Marlin 39a 22 LR. A bit later he got a 336 SC(sporting carbine) in 35 Rem, both of which I still have. Much much later I started playing with guns quite a bit more, and picked up several of the Marlin cowboy models, an 1894, 44 mag, a 336 in 38-55, an 1895 in 45-70, and then a few non cowboy models, a standard 1895, 45-70, an 1895 Guide Gun 45-70, like those 45-70's and finally what is becoming my favorite a little 1894CL in 32-20.

Winchesters are all specialty models, I have an old Candian Centinneal dating back to 1968, a couple of the 1894-1994 commeriative models, engraved, fancy wood, curved buttplate26" half octogen half round barrels and a 3 round button magazine, and Lyman tang sights. Lastly is a big 1886 take down in 45-70.

My last is early 1950's vintage Savage 99 eg in 300 Savage with an old Weaver K4 scope with a Lee dot reticule that I picked up for an extremly low price at a gun show that was a total flop as for as turnout. vendor and attendees, mostly due to weather, but I lucked out on that one.

My choice is the Marlin. The are good shooters, and in my opinion the action is simpler than the Winchester 94. By removing one screw, the lever screw, the lever slips out allowing the bolt to be removed and you can clean from the breech which is considered better than cleaning from the muzzle. Triggers are better than the Winchester or Savage, and if you want to improve it aftermarket triggers are available, as well as larger loop levers, which I like on the harder kicking 45-70 models.

I have not seen a new model since Remington bought Marlin, but there are a lot of excellent older models out there, just look.

[Silas A. Holmes]

Marlin is also a well known and established brand - the design of the 336 actually dates to the 1893 model which pre-dates the Winchester '94 ( Model of 1894 ).

All new firearms have quality control issues - Winchester stopped manufacturing American Made Model '94's in 2006.

I personally prefer the design of the Marlin rifles. The design creates a stronger action. The side eject is a plus as it does not throw cases into your line of sight.

The first question is what you want to use it for?

The lever action rifle has probably killed more deer than any other. The 30-30 is the most common caliber. The Marlin chambered in 35 Remington is/was very popular on the east coast as the 200gr bullets cut brush better. Not real comfortable to shoot however as a plinker, but certainly more enjoyable than the 45-70!

These rifles / carbines do not weigh enough to adequately dampen recoil so none are a "Joy" to shoot chambered in larger calibers.


I have lever guns chambered in 35 Remington, 25-20wcf, 32-40 and 38-55

I also have a Marlin 1894 chambered in 45 Colt and I have the most fun with this rifle - not a carbine. It is not uncommon for it to get passed around the range and several hundred rounds consumed mostly at an 8" steel gong at 100 yards... It rings it good!

I would always buy used - Back when the word "Craftsmanship" was used frequently.

Silas

[gaseousclay]

Marlin is also a well known and established brand - the design of the 336 actually dates to the 1893 model which pre-dates the Winchester '94 ( Model of 1894 ).

All new firearms have quality control issues - Winchester stopped manufacturing American Made Model '94's in 2006.

correct me if i'm wrong but my understanding is that all current Winchesters are manufacured by FN in South Carolina.


I personally prefer the design of the Marlin rifles. The design creates a stronger action. The side eject is a plus as it does not throw cases into your line of sight.

I like this feature as well


The first question is what you want to use it for?

The lever action rifle has probably killed more deer than any other. The 30-30 is the most common caliber. The Marlin chambered in 35 Remington is/was very popular on the east coast as the 200gr bullets cut brush better. Not real comfortable to shoot however as a plinker, but certainly more enjoyable than the 45-70!

I want a 30-30 for deer hunting for sure. I got to shoot an 1894 (or was it an 1895) a few weeks ago and it was really fun. I think it was chambered in a .38 or something.

The only reason why I question the current Marlins is because I know Remington acquired Marlin and I have read a lot of horror stories regarding the quality of their build and reliability. I don't want to buy a firearm if reliability is going to be an issue.

[Silas A. Holmes]

correct me if i'm wrong but my understanding is that all current Winchesters are manufacured by FN in South Carolina.

I have no idea where they currently manufacture the '94... the BPCR's and such are Japanese. Miroku (sp) I thought most of what they were building in SC were pistols & military? I dunno


I want a 30-30 for deer hunting for sure. I got to shoot an 1894 (or was it an 1895) a few weeks ago and it was really fun. I think it was chambered in a .38 or something.

1894's were a short action so chambered in pistol calibers...


The only reason why I question the current Marlins is because I know Remington acquired Marlin and I have read a lot of horror stories regarding the quality of their build and reliability. I don't want to buy a firearm if reliability is going to be an issue.

I would never buy new anymore - My first complaint is cosmetic . Ugly Wood, Poor metal prep before bluing, and "Surgeon Generals" Warning Dangerous stamps all over them!

I would keep my eye out for something that is at least 50 years old. Ideally postwar but I really like the old "case colored" actions $$$$$$

My 336 is a 1958 model and it has some pretty walnut and wonderful deep bluing - gotta love the gold triggers too! -

[Silas A. Holmes]

O.k. some new info. The Winchester 94 went out of production when they closed the plant in 2006 - In 2010 they made a 200th anniversary model and this year they started making "regular" models again

“Last year’s reintroduction of the Model 94 was a special commemorative, limited edition gun,” said Paul Thompson, media relations manager for Winchester Repeating Arms. “They were really high grade guns, with special engraving. This year, however, we’ve introduced regular versions of the gun. We have a traditional model, and a short rifle. These guns are being made in the factory in Japan where all the Browning replica and historical guns are made.”


So It looks like they are being made in Japan....

[MrMurphy]

Bang for the buck-wise, get a lightly used 336.

[craig87c]

My dad let's me borrow his Marlin when I'm back home. I don't really feel that you need sights for it- the rounds just go where you want! It's a fantastic brush gun, and I recommend it all the time.

[DUCK DIGGLER]

Another fan of the Marlin Lever guns. I own two a 336 in 30-30 and a 336 bin 35 Rem. both are extremely reliable and accurate. I too would look for a gun at least 20 years old as it seems everyone is into manufacturing crap these days unless you spend a small fortune. YMMV

[beau5278]

I have a model 94,first gun that I ever bought,got it when I was 15,it's the gun that I usually carry and I would recommend them to anyone.I've often seen people say that they don't like the top eject but I don't see why,I've got a Tasco 3-9 variable scope on mine on a side mount,the only issue is that the scope had to be mounted 90 degrees rotated to counterclockwise,you just have to remember that when you sight it in but it's as accurate as anything that I've shot.

[OkieStubble]

From 1981 until 2006, Winchester guns were made by the USRAC. When USRAC went bankrupt in 1989 it was acquired by a French holding company, then sold to an arms making cartel sponsored by the Belgian Herstal Group, which also owns gun makers Fabrique National (FN) and Browning.

Winchester or Browning is not American made or owned any longer. If the OP is looking for reasonably priced lever rifles of good quality other than Winchester or Marlin, you should also take a look at Rossi and or Mossberg. Mossberg has just recently started to offer rifles and not just shotguns.

[OLDMAN]

Have you checked out Henry? "Made in the USA and priced right."

http://www.henryrepeating.com/henry-rifles.cfm

[jlanger]

Have you checked out Henry? "Made in the USA and priced right."

http://www.henryrepeating.com/henry-rifles.cfm

Those do look nice but boy they're a bit spendy
Henry 30/30 (http://www.henryrepeating.com/rifle-3030.cfm)

[OLDMAN]

Those do look nice but boy they're a bit spendy
Henry 30/30 (http://www.henryrepeating.com/rifle-3030.cfm)

Yes they are not cheap but they are made in the USA, all of the parts are made in the USA and it's a family owned business. From what I have read about them they stand behind their product 100%.

[OkieStubble]

Yes they are not cheap but they are made in the USA, all of the parts are made in the USA and it's a family owned business. From what I have read about them they stand behind their product 100%.

+1

[gaseousclay]

Those do look nice but boy they're a bit spendy
Henry 30/30 (http://www.henryrepeating.com/rifle-3030.cfm)

I think they're actually cheaper than the new Winchester 94's. When I was checking out the 2011 Winchester catalog I noticed their 94 lever gun was priced around the $1300.

but, if I were to get a Henry it might be their .22 lever gun. Mills Fleet Farm had one on sale for less than $250

[jlanger]

Ack you're right, the old searches I did came up with the 2004 prices, dang they jumped up in price!!! However the current ones do look like they're of a much better quality then the 2004's did. Checkered wood, better butt plates etc.

[MrMurphy]

The Henrys are also "frontloaders" (think tube fed .22 style) somewhat like the original Henrys and considerably heavier than they need be.

I carried a nearly 30 lb machine gun, i don't generally complain about weight, but no .30-30 lever should weigh over 7 lbs empty unscoped. Most, less.

Mossberg's made rifles on and off for decades. The 464 (Winchester clone) has not gotten good reviews from experienced levergunners on quality.

[gaseousclay]

I carried a nearly 30 lb machine gun, i don't generally complain about weight, but no .30-30 lever should weigh over 7 lbs empty unscoped. Most, less.



I agree with you there. When I was at Gander Mtn a few months back I looked at a couple of the Henry lever guns and they felt incredibly heavy. Now, being inexperienced with lever guns, I don't know if weight would be considered a handicap when in the field. My guess is yes. I'd also prefer something a little lighter...preferably in the 6 lb range

[jkingrph]

I posted earlier, and as everyone else failed to mention something.

Go to a gun shop or a few shops and handle some of the guns and see what you like best. First pick a caliber that fits your needs or wants.

Marlin will probably offer the widest range of calibers available. They have the good little 39a in 22lr, I still have the one my dad bought for me back in 1952. Next is the 1894 series, which has been made in some smaller calibers, smallest I think was 218, I know for sure the old 25-20. I have one in 32-20 and recoil on it is not much more than the 22 LR high speed loads, plus one in 44 mag, which is a potent number out of a 24" barrel. Next is their 336/1895 series, available in a number of calibers from 30-30, 35Rem to 45-70. The action is so strong that really stout loads can be used in a 45-70 making it capable of taking all the largest north American game, big bears, moose ect, as well as some of the larger African game. Be advised though, a 45-70 with stout loads does a job on the shoulder.

I'm lucky enough to have dads old 35 Rem, probably one of the best most balanced calibers for the lever gun, and a fairly new cowboy model in the old 38-55 caliber.

[chuckr9]

I think the Marlin 336 in 35 cal is great for michigan woods (long shots rare & some brush to get through)

[Greg1911]

I have both the Marlin and the WInchester. My favorites are the prewar 1894s and late 40s Marlins.

To buy something of recent vintage I'd say go Marlin. 1894s made since the 1960s seem to have more issues to me. Some even rattle as you carry them.

The Marlins just got better the more you use them. I have a Marlin lever in .44 mag that is a gem. They start out rough but get glassy smooth when you put rounds through them.

[aggieoutlaw]

It really depends on what you are looking for. You can't go wrong with either. Both are excellent guns. The Winchester will retain/gain value. The Marlin is a lot cheaper. If you want it for hunting deer, I'd go with a .30-30 Marlin. The .30-30 is probably the most effective brush round for deer. It has probably taken more deer in North America than any other cartridge.

If you want to hunt bigger game, I'd go with a .45-70.

If you want to have a "romantic" lever gun, I'd get the Winchester '94 in .45LC

[gaseousclay]

thanks for the input, everyone. I'll more than likely go with a 30-30 for my basic deer hunting needs and target shooting. Does anyone have any idea what the recoil is like for the other cartridges? I fired a Marlin 1894 chambered in a .38 and the recoil was mild enough where it didn't have much kick. Is there a list somewhere that lists the felt recoil for each cartridge?

And if I understand all of you correctly, I would be better off investing in an older model Winchester or Marlin rather than the newer versions, correct?

[aggieoutlaw]

Well, you could get a .22 lever gun for a very mild recoil and cheap ammo. The recoil from pistol rounds (e.g. .44 Mag, .45 Colt) are not bad at all in the rifle. The .30-30 is fairly comfortable. Something like the .45-70, depending on load, is like shooting buck shot from a 10 or 12 ga. Not unmanageable but not comfortable either without a recoil pad.

If the gun is an investment for you, then I would expect the Winchester in a wildcat round might be a better choice. If you want a shooter, then either in a common cartridge will likely be about the same. Otherwise, since these guns are SO popular I just can't imagine a gun chambered for a common cartridge that was used for hunting or target shooting to increase in value that much. I could be wrong...

Another good option might be to see if you can borrow one to take to the range or try one out in the store/gun show and see if you like any of the "particulars" about the different models, both Marlin and Win have some quirks about them. Then buy a used one to save some cash! They are basically indestructible. I purchased my old used Marlin with a scope for $180 from a friend.

[gaseousclay]

Well, you could get a .22 lever gun for a very mild recoil and cheap ammo. The recoil from pistol rounds (e.g. .44 Mag, .45 Colt) are not bad at all in the rifle. The .30-30 is fairly comfortable. Something like the .45-70, depending on load, is like shooting buck shot from a 10 or 12 ga. Not unmanageable but not comfortable either without a recoil pad.

I'm also considering a .22 specifically for target practice, and because they're inexpensive. I'm currently looking at the Ruger 10/22 and the Marlin 39A, but the Henry .22's are priced nicely too so i'm looking at those as well. But, for general hunting purposes i'll likely go with a .30-30 because ammo is abundant, cheap and has low recoil. I think a 45-70 would be overkill for me at this point and since I have a .270 win I don't think i'll need another high-power cartridge for hunting.


If the gun is an investment for you, then I would expect the Winchester in a wildcat round might be a better choice. If you want a shooter, then either in a common cartridge will likely be about the same. Otherwise, since these guns are SO popular I just can't imagine a gun chambered for a common cartridge that was used for hunting or target shooting to increase in value that much. I could be wrong...

Another good option might be to see if you can borrow one to take to the range or try one out in the store/gun show and see if you like any of the "particulars" about the different models, both Marlin and Win have some quirks about them. Then buy a used one to save some cash! They are basically indestructible. I purchased my old used Marlin with a scope for $180 from a friend.

I plan on buying used regardless. My budget won't allow for a new purchase, unless it's an inexpensive .22. but for the 30-30 i'm gonna buy used...I just need to figure out which brand I want.

[spindlecone]

What you REALLY need is 1886 in 45-70.Period:)

[MrMurphy]

The .30-30 is about like most .30 rifles. Not bad, but you know it went off. The .44 (I own one) recoils more than expected because it's a heavy pistol round in a light rifle. Controllable, but noticeable.

.357/.38 and the smaller old type rounds (.25-20, .32-20) don't kick much.

[maxman]

For what it is worth, I really like my Marlin Guide Gun in 45/70. It is a solid, well made gun that has never given me a lick of trouble.

I came to the party late. This is what I was going to suggest.
My brother has one of these and they are fantastic guns.
Some might say the caliber is a little too big, but fun to shoot.

[jkingrph]

I'm also considering a .22 specifically for target practice, and because they're inexpensive. I'm currently looking at the Ruger 10/22 and the Marlin 39A, but the Henry .22's are priced nicely too so i'm looking at those as well. But, for general hunting purposes i'll likely go with a .30-30 because ammo is abundant, cheap and has low recoil. I think a 45-70 would be overkill for me at this point and since I have a .270 win I don't think i'll need another high-power cartridge for hunting.



I plan on buying used regardless. My budget won't allow for a new purchase, unless it's an inexpensive .22. but for the 30-30 i'm gonna buy used...I just need to figure out which brand I want.

Of the .22's you list the Marlin 39a is not inexpensive. You can probably buy two maybe 3 Ruger 10-22's for one Marlin. Out of the box the Marlin will generally shoot rings around the Ruger, I cannot comment about the Henry, never handled one. The ruger is a fun gun to play with, loads of aftermarket parts for customizing and accurizing, but you can spend a fortune on one. I still go back to the old Marlin 39a Dad bought me nearly 60 years ago, for me it's the ultimate fun .22!

What do you want a centerfire lever gun for? I'm asking because you mentioned the .270. If just for fun, I would consider one of the Marlin 1894's probably in .357. I think they will handle .38 Special, so the cost of shooting that would be the most economical thing out there, far less than a smaller, less common 25-20 or 32-20.

[aggieoutlaw]

What do you want a centerfire lever gun for? I'm asking because you mentioned the .270. If just for fun, I would consider one of the Marlin 1894's probably in .357. I think they will handle .38 Special, so the cost of shooting that would be the most economical thing out there, far less than a smaller, less common 25-20 or 32-20.

This is a good point. I was wondering the same thing. The .270 is a North American game slayer. .30-30 is by far the cheapest game cartridge but handgun loads are much cheaper still and more fun to plink with!

[gaseousclay]

What do you want a centerfire lever gun for? I'm asking because you mentioned the .270. If just for fun, I would consider one of the Marlin 1894's probably in .357. I think they will handle .38 Special, so the cost of shooting that would be the most economical thing out there, far less than a smaller, less common 25-20 or 32-20.

I guess i'd like the centerfire lever gun to have as an alternative to my .270 win for deer hunting. I like the idea of having a lighter weight brush gun that I can use for both hunting and target shooting. plus, you can never have too many guns, right :laugh:

[gaseousclay]

Of the .22's you list the Marlin 39a is not inexpensive. You can probably buy two maybe 3 Ruger 10-22's for one Marlin. Out of the box the Marlin will generally shoot rings around the Ruger, I cannot comment about the Henry, never handled one. The ruger is a fun gun to play with, loads of aftermarket parts for customizing and accurizing, but you can spend a fortune on one. I still go back to the old Marlin 39a Dad bought me nearly 60 years ago, for me it's the ultimate fun .22!



yeah, that's the only drawback of the Marlin 39A. I think that one sells for around $500+ NIB and I'm assuming used 39A's aren't much cheaper. But, there's something appealing about that gun - maybe it's the Annie Oakley connection, I dunno. but the Ruger 10/22 might be my next option for sure because of price

[aceinyerface]

the Ruger 10/22 might be my next option for sure because of price

Now you are on to something. You can start cheap and add on upgrades slowly as funds make themselves available. I think $189 is about as cheap as I have seen them NIB.

Add a Boyds Stock- $100 http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=blaster
Add a bull barrel- $100-$200 http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=712493
Add a hammer and sear kit- $60 http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=181454
Optics, custom billet charging handle, titanium firing pin, extended mag release, jeweled bolt...

I'm nursing a semi just thinking about it.

[garyg]

I have a Ruger that was fun to customize, but I ended up investing considerably more money than a new 39A would have been. The base, box stock (birch) 10/22 is set for price, not to please the eye. Add just a decent hardwood stock & the prices get real close

I still have both, a 50's Marlin lever & the 10/22. The Marlin is just a better quality piece, despite the Rugers new bull barrel, Volquartson trigger stuff, composite stock, custom bolt release, et alia. All that got the Ruger to a decent level of accuracy, about even with the Marlin. I can miss a squirrel by about the same margin with either, though they are both deadly on paper ..

Depends though on what feels good to you, they are really different weapons. BTW, locally there are two used 39As, minty, asking prices $425 & $470. Same joint has 5 Model 336's starting at $299.

[gaseousclay]

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BTW, locally there are two used 39As, minty, asking prices $425 & $470. Same joint has 5 Model 336's starting at $299.

may I ask where you saw these for sale?

[garyg]

may I ask where you saw these for sale?

Williams Gunsight, Davison MI. They usually have a huge selection of used firearms

[jkingrph]

I have a Ruger that was fun to customize, but I ended up investing considerably more money than a new 39A would have been. The base, box stock (birch) 10/22 is set for price, not to please the eye. Add just a decent hardwood stock & the prices get real close

I still have both, a 50's Marlin lever & the 10/22. The Marlin is just a better quality piece, despite the Rugers new bull barrel, Volquartson trigger stuff, composite stock, custom bolt release, et alia. All that got the Ruger to a decent level of accuracy, about even with the Marlin. I can miss a squirrel by about the same margin with either, though they are both deadly on paper ..

Depends though on what feels good to you, they are really different weapons. BTW, locally there are two used 39As, minty, asking prices $425 & $470. Same joint has 5 Model 336's starting at $299.

I did the same thing with a 10-22 about 15 years ago. I acutally picked up some of the parts on sale/closeout at Midway and came out fairly cheap. I started with a stainless model and added a match grade sporter profile barrel. It's accurate and has a very tight chamber, so tight I wish it were a little looser to allow more reliable cycling. Stock is a Fajen sporter model, with shadow outline cheekpiece, ebony forend cap, Neider type steel buttplate, and inletted sling swivels. Later I replaced trigger components and firing pin with better grade components.

It has a Nikon Prostaff scope, and in spite of all the work and a free floated barrel is just on a par as far as accuracy goes with my Marlin which only has a Lyman receiver sight, and is far more prone to jam than the Marlin which has always been totally reliable.

A few years back I bought my wife a Marlin 97, Annie Oakley model. It's a 39a, with straight grip stock and a tapered octogen barrel, and has a rebounding hammer unlike my older model. I think this degraded the quality of the trigger, not that it is bad. It has a Marbles tang sight, and with the long sight radius is very accurate, and a lot of fun to shoot.

[garyg]

I did the same thing with a 10-22 about 15 years ago. I acutally picked up some of the parts on sale/closeout at Midway and came out fairly cheap. I started with a stainless model and added a match grade sporter profile barrel. It's accurate and has a very tight chamber, so tight I wish it were a little looser to allow more reliable cycling. Stock is a Fajen sporter model, with shadow outline cheekpiece, ebony forend cap, Neider type steel buttplate, and inletted sling swivels. Later I replaced trigger components and firing pin with better grade components.

It has a Nikon Prostaff scope, and in spite of all the work and a free floated barrel is just on a par as far as accuracy goes with my Marlin which only has a Lyman receiver sight, and is far more prone to jam than the Marlin which has always been totally reliable.

A few years back I bought my wife a Marlin 97, Annie Oakley model. It's a 39a, with straight grip stock and a tapered octogen barrel, and has a rebounding hammer unlike my older model. I think this degraded the quality of the trigger, not that it is bad. It has a Marbles tang sight, and with the long sight radius is very accurate, and a lot of fun to shoot.

That sounds great, I wonder how many here know what a tang sight is?

[craig87c]

That sounds great, I wonder how many here know what a tang sight is?

They make sights with that powdered OJ stuff? :001_tt2:

[garyg]

They make sights with that powdered OJ stuff? :001_tt2:

http://badgerandblade.com/vb/images/icons/icon1.png

So that's a No , eh?:laugh:

Made me think about that terrible stuff from the days of me mis-spent youth

[art803]

i have a 94 and love it

[craig87c]

http://badgerandblade.com/vb/images/icons/icon1.png

So that's a No , eh?:laugh:

Made me think about that terrible stuff from the days of me mis-spent youth


I actually knew what they were, but never knew the name of them.

And Tang was nasty.

[aceinyerface]

I started with a stainless model and added a match grade sporter profile barrel. It's accurate and has a very tight chamber, so tight I wish it were a little looser to allow more reliable cycling.

The Bentz chamber is what you needed. Match chambers need match ammo.

All my 22's will shoot a one hole group from the bench. Marlin 60, and a couple of 10/22's (one tricked out and one stock). It is when you take it off the bench that the tricked 10/22 stands out. The excellent cheek weld and improved trigger keep the groups small when the other rifles spread out a bit. It is just more "shootable".

[tomjr]

as lever guns go, the BLR is miles ahead in tech. its basiclly a rotary bolt bun worked with a lever. its light, clip fed, easily scoped. i settled on it after owning several fine examples of both marlin and winchester, which gaves me no troubles. unless its a nostalgia thing my vote is for the BLR. i like the one i have in 358 WINCHESTER its a geat old caliber thats sometimes is hard to find ammo for, but i reload so its a not a issue for me. tom

[jlanger]

Just don't get stuff in the gears! And don't ever take a BLR apart unless you're prepared to spend hours retiming it (unless you're smart and mark the gearings before disassembly)

[stobes21]

thanks for the input, everyone. I'll more than likely go with a 30-30 for my basic deer hunting needs and target shooting. Does anyone have any idea what the recoil is like for the other cartridges? I fired a Marlin 1894 chambered in a .38 and the recoil was mild enough where it didn't have much kick. Is there a list somewhere that lists the felt recoil for each cartridge?

And if I understand all of you correctly, I would be better off investing in an older model Winchester or Marlin rather than the newer versions, correct?

Here (http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm) is a rifle recoil table. Be sure to read the information above the table for some good info on actual vs felt recoil. For comparison sakes though the .270 win is about 17 lbs of recoil in an 8 lb rifle, the .30-'06 is about 20 lbs, and the .30-30 is about 11 lbs in a 7.5lb gun. So the actual recoil is significantly less with the .30-30 than those other very popular deer rounds. Now, it is still significantly higher than smaller rounds like the .223 (~3lbs) or the .357 mag (4.7lbs). It is about on par with the .44 mag.

All in all I would say you will definitely feel the .30-30 but it is considered to be one of the lowest recoiling deer cartridges (certainly the lowest of the .30 cal options) and is a popular choice for young, female, and otherwise recoil sensitive shooters.

[binowatch]

Before buying check ballistic tables for rifles to help select your caliber in relation to use. I have a Marlin in 38/357 bought for home defense when I lived where handguns were not possible. The cowboy look was also more innocuous in that environment. For plinking and target work the ammo is easy to reload and cheaper new. For hunting decide what your game will be to choose. The same is true for barrel length, sites etc.

[Wishoot]

I've had a Winchester 94 AE in 44 Mag for a few years. I believe it was a mid-1990's manufacturing date. It's my only lever so I really have no basis for comparison. IMHO, it's just kind of "whatever". The build quality is OK, but nothing exceptional. It doesn't feel cheap nor does it feel like a super high quality thing. Fit and finish is OK, but again, nothing exceptional.

It's held up quite well to a variety of 44 Mag loads (JHP, and FMJ's) and is about as accurate as one could expect from a lever.

I use other rifles for hunting and target practice, so this lever really doesn't have a place in my small firearm library. Personally, it does nothing for me and if the right trade or sale came along, I would have no problem parting with it.

[KM-instructor]

My favorite and very reliable LA is this Winchester 1896.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/shane1000m/b2618bea.jpg

[aceinyerface]

Just picked up a Marlin 336 30-30 from a buddy at a pawn shop. $220+tax. He had a half dozen to pick from.

This one turns out to be a 1975 model, bore is perfect, internals not quite broken in yet. Touch of light surface rust. As with all of them, you have to get the sights how you want them, I needed to replace the rear sight (obviously removed when it was scoped).

I got it to be my Cowboy Assault Rifle. We have some LEO's who think rights are just opposite of lefts, and want to arrest people for their "assault rifles" AR/AK's and the like. http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/latest/Assault-weapon-patrols-nixed.html

[gaseousclay]

Just picked up a Marlin 336 30-30 from a buddy at a pawn shop. $220+tax. He had a half dozen to pick from.

This one turns out to be a 1975 model, bore is perfect, internals not quite broken in yet. Touch of light surface rust. As with all of them, you have to get the sights how you want them, I needed to replace the rear sight (obviously removed when it was scoped).



are there specific production years I should avoid for Marlin? Seems like the current 336's are getting a bad rap, and I hesitate to invest in one if that's the case. Should I be looking at an older model from the 60's, 70's or 80's?

I did see a mint looking Winchester 94 on gunbroker.com the other day - it had a BIN of about $565 or so. All I can say is, for a lever gun produced in '74 it had a beautiful stock. If any of you care to check, I believe it's being sold by Wild West Alaska or Wild West Guns in Alaska...can't remember the exact name.

[aceinyerface]

are there specific production years I should avoid for Marlin? Seems like the current 336's are getting a bad rap, and I hesitate to invest in one if that's the case. Should I be looking at an older model from the 60's, 70's or 80's?

What is the rap? I reviewed this thread and you have a couple dozen folks who love their Marlins and one who hates on the fact Remington bought them with no specific experiences to relate.

I researched the Marlin 336 pretty well before purchase so I would know what problems to look for. There is a specific jam related to worn parts and an extractor that breaks on occasion to keep your eye out for. Shouldn't be a problem in a new firearm, if you find a used one beat up enough to have the problem, you just replace the worn parts (though most places will warranty it for at least a few days, even used). The internet is rife with mods to do if you want to slick up the action, lighten the trigger, remove the safety and the like. Just look for one in good condition.

Unless someone has a SPECIFIC complaint (like they are using crappy steel, etc) that has been reported by numerous others as well, ignore it.

[gaseousclay]

What is the rap? I reviewed this thread and you have a couple dozen folks who love their Marlins and one who hates on the fact Remington bought them with no specific experiences to relate.

I researched the Marlin 336 pretty well before purchase so I would know what problems to look for. There is a specific jam related to worn parts and an extractor that breaks on occasion to keep your eye out for. Shouldn't be a problem in a new firearm, if you find a used one beat up enough to have the problem, you just replace the worn parts (though most places will warranty it for at least a few days, even used). The internet is rife with mods to do if you want to slick up the action, lighten the trigger, remove the safety and the like. Just look for one in good condition.

Unless someone has a SPECIFIC complaint (like they are using crappy steel, etc) that has been reported by numerous others as well, ignore it.

i've come across various complaints ranging from problems feeding cartridges to jams and all around poor workmanship. normally I wouldn't pay attention to this sorta thing but every gun forum I go to has had members going on about the lack of quality control with the recent production Marlins. I do realize that every gun manufacturer will inevitably encounter problems with their guns, i've just never seen so many complaints when it came to Remington/Marlin. I still want a Marlin but I hesitate to buy anything new from them - it sounds to me like the older production Marlins were of better quality and build than the current productions. now, i'm basing this purely on the stuff i've come across, so I may be overreacting.

[aceinyerface]

Well, if your instinct tells you to steer clear of new ones, I'd follow your gut. Just keep in mind, no matter what you are talking about, some goober is going to gaze off into nothingness and tell you in some breathy voice about how things just ain't as good as they used to be. So, take it with a grain of salt.

I googled Marlin's quality and you have folks talking about fit and finish (why didn't they look it over before buying, but that is another issue) mostly from 3-5 years ago. I googled "marlin quality problems 2011" and got http://www.ar15.com/mobile/topic.html?b=6&f=47&t=341249
and
http://madogre.com/?p=1266 So, I don't know if it was just production following the management change or what. It looks like they changed factories too.

I also googled Marlin's warranty, they will make it right for 5 years. So even if you get a "bad" one, you aren't up that famous creek.

But I'm not in the Marlin defending business, screw 'em if they can't get their stuff together. I wouldn't buy a new one anyway (obviously, since I didn't) because I feel like new guns aren't worth the price they are asking for them. A good used one at a great price gives me the same service, plus I don't feel like I have to mollycoddle the blasted things since I am invested in them so much. I get so much more use out of them if I am not afraid to abuse them a little.

[gaseousclay]

But I'm not in the Marlin defending business, screw 'em if they can't get their stuff together. I wouldn't buy a new one anyway (obviously, since I didn't) because I feel like new guns aren't worth the price they are asking for them. A good used one at a great price gives me the same service, plus I don't feel like I have to mollycoddle the blasted things since I am invested in them so much. I get so much more use out of them if I am not afraid to abuse them a little.

I hear what you're saying. I'm not trying to bash Marlin, it's just when it comes to a new firearm purchase it'd be nice to know that I won't have to send a gun back to the factory because it wasn't manufactured right the first time. There's another gun forum I visit and one of the members posted pics of his Marlin 795 that he just bought brand new. He disassembled the rifle and the receiver looked like it had been put into a grinder...it was that bad. Now, I know the Marlin 795 is a pretty cheap .22 by gun standards but after seeing that picture it really did make me think, 'you get what you pay for.' This doesn't mean some of the newer Marlins don't work - I mean, I doubt Marlin is churning out defective guns left and right, but it made me apprehensive about buying anything new from them. This is a shame because I had researched lever guns for months and I really like some of the features of the Marlin 336, including the price. who knows? If I saw a deal too good to pass up I might jump on a Marlin purchase in a heartbeat.

[Larry T]

Have you checked out Henry? "Made in the USA and priced right."

http://www.henryrepeating.com/henry-rifles.cfm

+1

Quality piece, 100% Made In USA. A friend of mine has the model H009, in 30-30, with the round barrel and blued receiver. I have shot many groups at 100 yards with less than a 2" spread, with the factory open sights. I will own one soon.

He also has an older Marlin 336 that his dad gave him, it's a nice gun, solid and accurate, but the Henry just feels better to me. Another buddy has a 1950's vintage Winchester '94, it has no bluing left on it, rattles like a tin can full of marbles, but it still brings home deer every year.

The choice is yours, and I think you'll do fine with any of the guns mentioned in this thread.

Larry

[gaseousclay]

+1

Quality piece, 100% Made In USA. A friend of mine has the model H009, in 30-30, with the round barrel and blued receiver. I have shot many groups at 100 yards with less than a 2" spread, with the factory open sights. I will own one soon.

He also has an older Marlin 336 that his dad gave him, it's a nice gun, solid and accurate, but the Henry just feels better to me. Another buddy has a 1950's vintage Winchester '94, it has no bluing left on it, rattles like a tin can full of marbles, but it still brings home deer every year.

The choice is yours, and I think you'll do fine with any of the guns mentioned in this thread.

Larry

do you know the approximate weight of the Henry rifles? I looked at a couple when I was at Gander Mtn awhile back and they felt pretty substantial in my hands. I'd like something more lightweight, like in the 6 to 6.5 lb range. the Henry's looked nice and were priced right, I just don't know about the weight. i'm being too picky about the whole thing :sad:

[Larry T]

The Henry H009 weighs in at 7 pounds, it does have a substantial heft to it. Here's the web page:

http://www.henryrepeating.com/rifle-3030.cfm

The brass model is even heavier.

You should be picky, it's your money, whatever you get should please you, don't worry about the rest of us. :001_smile


Larry

[aceinyerface]

He disassembled the rifle and the receiver looked like it had been put into a grinder...it was that bad. Now, I know the Marlin 795 is a pretty cheap .22 by gun standards but after seeing that picture it really did make me think, 'you get what you pay for.

That is pretty universal. 60's Rem 870- same thing. 00's Mossberg- same, old and new Rugers- same. old and new S&W revolvers- same. I get some dang fine service out of some firearms that look pretty rough on the inside. I'd image that the inside of Scarlett Johansons bowels look pretty gross, but I bet a man would be pretty happy with the package, on the whole.

I know everyone wants a sweatshop full of elves putting 1000's of hours on hand polishing each and every surface on their firearm, inside and out. And, they want it done for $300 total including tax. Then they want guaranteed groups no bigger than the diameter of the bullet and a trigger pull about the strength of a fairy fart. LOL That just isn't reality.

[jlanger]

Big difference in a lot of the models from the 50s/60's to present is machined parts versus stamped. That's the big difference in pre 64 winchesters. From owning a pre and a post 64 there is deffinite difference in how well the action works. The pre 64 is definitely smoother and less prone to jams. The post is lighter and oddly enough shoots better (at least I'm a lot more accurate with it)

[gaseousclay]

Big difference in a lot of the models from the 50s/60's to present is machined parts versus stamped. That's the big difference in pre 64 winchesters. From owning a pre and a post 64 there is deffinite difference in how well the action works. The pre 64 is definitely smoother and less prone to jams. The post is lighter and oddly enough shoots better (at least I'm a lot more accurate with it)

do all modern gun manufacturers used stamped parts, or are there some that use machined parts?

[aceinyerface]

Manufacturing methods include just about anything.

Aluminum/Alloys/Titanium etc...
Stamped
Injection molded
Forged
Polymers

I don't know what all the specifics of each brand are.

[cliffordNC]

definitely marlin. smoother, less 'clunky', can mount a scope centered on top.
plus you can get better calibers like the xlr calibers, very near to a .308.

[eastomjac]

WINCHESTER,you get used to the top eject,and the quality and simple design are worth what you pay.ive had both and the marlin break down is a lot more work than the winchester.

[MrMurphy]

Unscrew a screw, drop the bolt out...... what's that complicated?

For that matter, you don't have to break one down often. Boresnake and a brush.

[Acmemfg]

Got a Marlin 336...got a couple Remingtons, got a couple Rugers. Purchase price notwithstanding, you simply are not going to do better than a Marlin for a solid all-around lever action sporting rifle...period. I'm actually going to get another in .45-70 in the near future.