Fountain Pens

[gus]

I own several fountain pens..a Conklin (Mark Twain), a Ferrari de Varese (Ivan Basso), several Auroras (long time beautiful Italian pens at all price ranges), classic (old) italic pens, ball points like English Parkers, lots of writing instruments which have been a life-long enthusiasm....but after a lifetime of appreciating good and great fountain pens, I discovered and bought a Namiki Falcon fine-tipped fountain pen ($140). mechanically, esthetically, performance, it is this pen and that with the suggested Namiki ink (or maybe Aurora ink) and Claire Fontaine (or maybe Rhodia) paper,I would be gladly isolated on a desert island with...as long as there was a functioning Postal System there!
Basically, writing with a fine pen is a pleasure in and of itself! Try it someday...after a good shave!

Gus

[Jim]

Welcome Gus!:biggrin:

[red2]

Welcome, Gus. I too am a fan of fountain pens although I only have two. Writing by hand with a fountain pen is a sensual experience. I will have to check out the pen you recommend.

[DoubleE]

Welcome Gus. I think you'll find a lot of fountain pen fans here, me included. My favorite is my Sailor 1911 with a fine nib. If you do a search, I'm sure you can find a lot of discussion here about pens.

[Newfie]

My penmanship sux, bites, is lousy, ............ you get the idea, so I can only dream of the pleasures you guys get from a fine writing instrument.

Or as we say at work, a "Writin' stick".:biggrin:

[DoubleE]

My penmanship sux, bites, is lousy, ............ you get the idea, so I can only dream of the pleasures you guys get from a fine writing instrument.

Or as we say at work, a "Writin' stick".:biggrin:

Mine sux as well Jim. But, it sux a little less with a fountain pen.:rolleyes:

[CapeCodJay]

Welcome Gus!

I am a fountain pen nut myself, mostly vintage pens here (Esterbrooks, Parker 51's, Shaeffer etc)

Enjoy the site!

[Newfie]

Mine sux as well Jim. But, it sux a little less with a fountain pen.:rolleyes:

To quote my favourite comedian:


I don't care who you are, that's funny right there!!!!

BTW, Welcome Gus!!!

[Roman414]

I have a few pens. My best writer is probably my Pelikan M200. My favorite to play with is my old Sheaffer snorkel loader...

[farace]

I have a few pens. My best writer is probably my Pelikan M200. My favorite to play with is my old Sheaffer snorkel loader...

Ah, I've got a Sheaffer Statesman snorkel that was my grandfather's. I rebuilt it and often carry either that or my Parker "51" Special (probably my most reliable pen). My most expressive pen is an old Moore Junior, but it's tempermental, too, wanting to dry up on me. But when it's working right, the nib just glides.

[rtaylor61]

I use a Lamy Safari at work, and sometimes a Rotring Core. I don't have any of the classics, but I do have a number of Waterman Phileas pens and my favorite is a Waterman Charleston.

Do a search on fountain pens and you'll find a few threads floating around.

Randy

[ravkesef]

Waterman Opera, Mont Blanc Meisterstueck, 2 Cross FP's of different sorts, 3 Lamy's, 2 rotring 600's, Pelikan Level, and I rotate them regularly, cleaning the pen when it runs out and letting it sit awaiting its next turn in the rotation.
I have truly egregious handwriting, but always noted that i could write better with a FP. A few months ago I acquired a book entitled "Write Now" from Pendemonium. Cost--a mere $17, and in a matter of days, I had rather neat and legible script. 3 months later, my handwriting is rather nice and pleasant--something I never really believed I could do. So, you can teach an old dog new tricks, even at 65.
If you're not writing with a fountain pen, you're missing out on a truly wonderful experience, and while the sky's the limit as far as price is concerned, you can get a truly excellent fountain pen for a very reasonable price--look at the Lamy Safari's, for example. And you can learn to write well. 3 months ago I couldn't read my own writing, (egregious was an understatement.) today people marvel at what a nice script I have. Believe me--if I could do it, you can too.

[Parataxis]

I've got myself a beautiful metallic blue Parker (UK) Inflection, works like a charm. Thinking of picking up a Waterman in the near future as well.

Noodler's inks, now there's a wonderful product. Their legal-lapis is about the most gorgeous ink I've seen, and their UV ink is just far too cool.

[TimmyBoston]

Welcome Gus, I write with a Pelikan M200 EF custom ground by Richard Binder. I also have a Waterman Carene Rollerball.

[norman931]

Welcome to B&B, Gus!
I have a Parker 51 (Vacumatic) and a Pelikan Pelikano, both outstanding pens.

Norm

[bbqncigars]

Pens are at least as addictive as shaving gear. The bonus is that you don't have to wait on whiskers to use your newest pen. My current writing stable encompasses: two Parker 51's (aerometric Flighter and a Vacuumatic), two Heros, a Duke, a Lamy AL Star, a Waterman Phileas, a Pelikan Rollerball, my beloved Namiki VP, and two Sheaffers (Lifetime and Sentinel). The next acquisition will probably be a Sailor 1911. Writing with a good pen is a real joy, IMHO.


Wayne

[NurseMedic]

*sigh* I feel a new acquisition disorder coming on... :biggrin:

Mike in Michigan

[JonEdangerousli]

Waterman Opera, Mont Blanc Meisterstueck, 2 Cross FP's of different sorts, 3 Lamy's, 2 rotring 600's, Pelikan Level, and I rotate them regularly, cleaning the pen when it runs out and letting it sit awaiting its next turn in the rotation.
I have truly egregious handwriting, but always noted that i could write better with a FP. A few months ago I acquired a book entitled "Write Now" from Pendemonium. Cost--a mere $17, and in a matter of days, I had rather neat and legible script. 3 months later, my handwriting is rather nice and pleasant--something I never really believed I could do. So, you can teach an old dog new tricks, even at 65.
If you're not writing with a fountain pen, you're missing out on a truly wonderful experience, and while the sky's the limit as far as price is concerned, you can get a truly excellent fountain pen for a very reasonable price--look at the Lamy Safari's, for example. And you can learn to write well. 3 months ago I couldn't read my own writing, (egregious was an understatement.) today people marvel at what a nice script I have. Believe me--if I could do it, you can too.
Is this the book you referenced? Thanks in advance, J.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0876781180/ref=ord_cart_shr/104-2870686-5927147?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

[Newfie]

*sigh* I feel a new acquisition disorder coming on... :biggrin:

Mike in Michigan

Wanna start a support group? I'm just across the river from you.

[minstrel]

The only fountain pens I have are the cartridge types. I have one Parker, and one no-name that my mother got from a book club. And a calligraphy pen. All of them use plastic refill cartridges with ink. I looked at other fountain pens, but if you want a quality pen they're ¤#*¤%# expensive! Unless I win the lottery, or manage to trick someone into giving me a disgustingly well paid job, I won't be able to afford one, I think...

Also, I don't write enough by hand to keep the fountain pens I have from drying out, so I mostly use ball-point pens when I need to write something down by hand.

[Suzuki]

Pens are at least as addictive as shaving gear. The bonus is that you don't have to wait on whiskers to use your newest pen. My current writing stable encompasses: two Parker 51's (aerometric Flighter and a Vacuumatic), two Heros, a Duke, a Lamy AL Star, a Waterman Phileas, a Pelikan Rollerball, my beloved Namiki VP, and two Sheaffers (Lifetime and Sentinel). The next acquisition will probably be a Sailor 1911. Writing with a good pen is a real joy, IMHO.


Wayne

I agree - but between my Pelikan 800, Lamy 2000 and Waterman Carene (not to mention the other dozen less expensive pens) in my collection, I've not felt the need to buy a new FP in years. It was the Pelikan that did it - I've tried many high end pens and don't think there's a better pen out there in terms of functionality. The Lamy 2000 is probably one of the most underrated fountain pens out there - it can often be found for around $100 and has a great nib - the piston fill system is a little more delecate than the Pelican, but that's a reasonable trade-off given the price.

The two pens I recommend for newbies are the Lamy Safari (I own 2 in different nib widths) and/or the Waterman Phileas in fine (the Waterman nibs run a little on the thick side) if you like a more classic looking pen. Both companies make excellent converters so you can use ink from a bottle.

[Roman414]

Actually not as expensive as you might think. Among modern pens, There are some excellent ones for well under a hundred bucks. The Waterman Phileas at around forty bucks, The Pelikan M200 at around sixty are just two that come to mind. Good vintage pens are even cheaper. I just picked up a Parker 51 Special, from the 1950's, excellent condition, on EBay for $24.

[JonEdangerousli]

Actually not as expensive as you might think. Among modern pens, There are some excellent ones for well under a hundred bucks. The Waterman Phileas at around forty bucks, The Pelikan M200 at around sixty are just two that come to mind. Good vintage pens are even cheaper. I just picked up a Parker 51 Special, from the 1950's, excellent condition, on EBay for $24.

You mean I didn't have to pay $500 for this Montblanc a few years ago?????

"Dammit, (we're running out of time)"..

Sorry, channeling Jack Bauer there for a min.

[Roman414]

You can pay a lot more than that for a pen. But beyond a certain point, you are not buying a writing instrument as much as you are buying a piece of jewelry or a brand name. As far as writing goes, quality tops out in the $100 to $200 range. Not knocking your Mont Blanc, they are works of art. If you enjoy owning that beauty, you got your monies worth. Bet it doesn't write ten times better than my fifty dollar Pelikan, though...

[JonEdangerousli]

You can pay a lot more than that for a pen. But beyond a certain point, you are not buying a writing instrument as much as you are buying a piece of jewelry or a brand name. As far as writing goes, quality tops out in the $100 to $200 range. Not knocking your Mont Blanc, they are works of art. If you enjoy owning that beauty, you got your monies worth. Bet it doesn't write ten times better than my fifty dollar Pelikan, though...

I've always liked the size. I have big hands and a big pen just feels good to me. Of course my handwriting is so atrocious that it doesn't really matter what size it is, LOL.

One thing I don't like about it is the size of the nib. It's a little bit wide for me, at least I think it is. Is it possible to have the nib exchanged?

[Roman414]

My handwriting is atrocious too, but when I use a fine pen it is atrocious with a little class.
I have an old Parker with a narrow nib. I will swap it for your Montblanc if you want to. I am willing to bet you can replace your nib if you google around a little,

[JonEdangerousli]

My handwriting is atrocious too, but when I use a fine pen it is atrocious with a little class.
I have an old Parker with a narrow nib. I will swap it for your Montblanc if you want to. I am willing to bet you can replace your nib if you google around a little,

I was wondering how long it would take for the first "I'll trade" post, ROFLMFAO!!!!

[JonEdangerousli]

From www.montblanc.com 's FAQs:

How can I have my nib exchanged? (http://www.montblanc.com/3412.php?showEntry=8) You can have your nib exchanged in a Montblanc Boutique (http://www.montblanc.com/boutiquelocator/index_boutiquelocator.php) near you or a Montblanc Service Center (http://www.montblanc.com/3511.php). To this effect, you may hand in your product at any Montblanc Boutique or Montblanc authorised retailer or jeweller, or send it directly to a Montblanc Service Center (http://www.montblanc.com/3511.php).
Damn that was simple. What is this google thing anyway? LOL!

Now I just have to figure out what size nib I need....

[boz27606]

Congratulations on your Namiki Falcon aquisition. It's a wonderful pen and I've thought you could get one for $140.

My everyday pen is a Namiki-Pilot Vanishing point. It is a fountain/cartidge pen with a ball point pen opening system. I see it like the difference between a straight razor and a DE. They both do the same thing and for me are the right balance between quality and convenience.

www.nibs.com can also change and modify nibs for you.

boz

[ravkesef]

Is this the book you referenced? Thanks in advance, J.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0876781180/ref=ord_cart_shr/104-2870686-5927147?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

that's the one. I got mine at Pendemonium--same price, small businessman, and they're willing to talk to you on the phone and give you all kinds of good advice on pens, inks, etc.

[Roman414]

Just funning, I wouldn't try to beat you out of your pen. The way I tend to lose things, I would be courting disaster carrying an expensive pen around. The Pelikan is my shirt-pocket pen. Not hugely expensive, and current production so I could replace it easily. I use the others at home. My Waterman has a fairly broad nib, I address letters and packages with it. The other, vintage, pens get rotated for general use. Are you strictly a Montblanc man or do you have other pens?

[JonEdangerousli]

I have a Mont Blanc rollerball that I use more than any other pen. I've had several different FPs over the years but they were all your dimestore variety. I have a feeling I may be getting additional FPs in the near future though, LOL.

[Roman414]

The Pelikan is German-made like your Montblanc. A solid, reliable implement. I liken it to the Merkur HD. The old Parkers, Sheafers, etc are the old Gillettes and Schicks of fountain pens. At least, that is the way I look at them.

[perry]

A few months ago I acquired a book entitled "Write Now" from Pendemonium. Cost--a mere $17, and in a matter of days, I had rather neat and legible script. 3 months later, my handwriting is rather nice and pleasant--something I never really believed I could do. So, you can teach an old dog new tricks, even at 65.
If you're not writing with a fountain pen, you're missing out on a truly wonderful experience, and while the sky's the limit as far as price is concerned, you can get a truly excellent fountain pen for a very reasonable price--look at the Lamy Safari's, for example. And you can learn to write well. 3 months ago I couldn't read my own writing, (egregious was an understatement.) today people marvel at what a nice script I have. Believe me--if I could do it, you can too.

You guys are all a bad influence, but Eric pushed me over the edge. My chicken scratch is pretty bad, almost to the point that I'm embarrassed to write even simple things like forms. So I ordered the book, a bottle of Noodler's Aircorp Blue-black, a black Lamy Safari fine & coverter, and a little notebook to practice writing in.

Could probably do with just the book, or even with just one of the dozens of online resources, but I know I'd end up wanting the rest of the gear too.

[JonEdangerousli]

that's the one. I got mine at Pendemonium--same price, small businessman, and they're willing to talk to you on the phone and give you all kinds of good advice on pens, inks, etc.

I ordered one from amazon, I had some other items I needed to order from them...

[bbqncigars]

The Hero 132 I just got with my ink order is not only beautiful, but is a very smooth writer (w/Polar Black ink). A very nice cheap knock-off of a Parker 51. The 616 is an equally fine writer, and even cheaper.


Wayne

[Roman414]

What is a good way to polish an old, dull-looking pen up a bit? Without damaging the finish? Something non-abrasive?

[JonEdangerousli]

What is a good way to polish an old, dull-looking pen up a bit? Without damaging the finish? Something non-abrasive?

I have some plastic polish that is designed for plastic lenses, like on your car or on a projector. A couple of different grades. It's at home, I'll dig it out and get you the manuf/type.

[JonEdangerousli]

Received my Manhattan Blue Noodler's ink from Art Brown today. I have to report that it is absolutely outstanding.

[farace]

What is a good way to polish an old, dull-looking pen up a bit? Without damaging the finish? Something non-abrasive?

Are you referring to the plastic parts? I use Novus plastic polish; it is abrasive, but they have two grades of polish and a "clean and shine" spray. the No. 1 is the spray, No. 2 is for fine scratches, and No. 3 is for heavy scratches. I found out by accident that Novus will shine up the metal parts, too.

Flitz will also work. I believe that it, too, is mildly abrasive. Usually what makes plastic dull looking (unless it's just plain dirty) is fine scratches.

I've heard good things about Mother's products as well, but haven't used them myself.

[Roman414]

Just plain dirty? That never occured to me. I suppose I could wash them before trying anything else. Warm water and what, dish detergent?

[farace]

Just plain dirty? That never occured to me. I suppose I could wash them before trying anything else. Warm water and what, dish detergent?

I've used that. Just warm, tepid even, not too hot. If you're trying to clean ink out, use a 1:10 ammonia:water solution. If it's a very old pen, though, make sure it's not made of casein before you wash it. Casein shouldn't be washed in water. If you go over to www.fountainpennetwork.com and do a search you'll find lengthy discussions on cleaning.

[Smedley]

I'm using a Lamy Safari and Noodler's Beaver ink right now. A fantastic ink and a nice little pen for the price, and one I don't mind putting in my jeans pocket to knock around with.

Next pen will be more pricey. Also, not thin plastic/celluloid. I was handling some of the lower end Pelikans at the local pen store and they felt flimsy and cheap. Next pen has gotta be big and have some heft in the body! A Fat Boy of the fountain pen world, if you will.

[JonEdangerousli]

I'm using a Lamy Safari and Noodler's Beaver ink right now. A fantastic ink and a nice little pen for the price, and one I don't mind putting in my jeans pocket to knock around with.

Next pen will be more pricey. Also, not thin plastic/celluloid. I was handling some of the lower end Pelikans at the local pen store and they felt flimsy and cheap. Next pen has gotta be big and have some heft in the body! A Fat Boy of the fountain pen world, if you will.

I'm just the opposite. I have a Mont Blanc Le Grand 149. I'm looking for an everyday "knockabout" pen. I've looked at the Safari but I really would like to find a good, fairly inexpensive, slim pen that will fit in the pen loop of my Franklin planner case.

[Wil]

If you are looking for a everyday pen- I have an old Rotring 600 EF- Not as fancy as the many others that I have but it is heavy made of a chunk of aluminum and can double as a weapon when needed- Still love the pen after nearly a decade using it- not even sure if it is made anymore, but a good find if you can purchase one.

[JonEdangerousli]

If you are looking for a everyday pen- I have an old Rotring 600 EF- Not as fancy as the many others that I have but it is heavy made of a chunk of aluminum and can double as a weapon when needed- Still love the pen after nearly a decade using it- not even sure if it is made anymore, but a good find if you can purchase one.

Will it fit in my pen loop is the main question. I think this loop is no bigger than 1/2" in diameter. I have rollerball that is 7/16" that fits perfectly.

[Wil]

Will it fit in my pen loop is the main question. I think this loop is no bigger than 1/2" in diameter. I have rollerball that is 7/16" that fits perfectly.

Should fit- i may even be a tad bit too narrow for that- the shape of the Rotring is six sided and the clip is solid- so it shouldn't really slide out or roll away-

[JonEdangerousli]

Are you referring to the plastic parts? I use Novus plastic polish; it is abrasive, but they have two grades of polish and a "clean and shine" spray. the No. 1 is the spray, No. 2 is for fine scratches, and No. 3 is for heavy scratches. I found out by accident that Novus will shine up the metal parts, too.

Flitz will also work. I believe that it, too, is mildly abrasive. Usually what makes plastic dull looking (unless it's just plain dirty) is fine scratches.

I've heard good things about Mother's products as well, but haven't used them myself.

Novus is the polish that I use as well.

[JonEdangerousli]

Should fit- i may even be a tad bit too narrow for that- the shape of the Rotring is six sided and the clip is solid- so it shouldn't really slide out or roll away-

I LIKE that! I'm sure it will fit and I love the style. Will fit in perfectly with my image here at the office.

[farace]

Next pen has gotta be big and have some heft in the body! A Fat Boy of the fountain pen world, if you will.

Well, then, I have the pen for you. A Charles Hubert in green plaid. Damned thing feels like a hunk of plumbing in my hand; with the cap posted, it's very top heavy. It's got enough heft that you could probably use it for self defense. I got mine from I Sell Pens; you can see it just before halfway down this page.

http://www.isellpens.com/closeout.htm

At least it's cheap . . .

[Rufus]

I've always been a big fan of fountain pens. In primary school we were only allowed to use dip pens and in secondary school only fountain pens, ballpoints were forbidden under all circumstnces and to this day I've always preferred an FP to a ballpoint. I liken it to "wet shaving" vs canned gunk and the multiblade abomination called a razor today. Although my penmanship is lousy I find I write a lot better with an FP than with a ballpoint and get real enjoyment from writing with an FP.

I currently own four fountain pens:

- a 1957 Parker 51, which I inherited from my father in 1983,
- a 1963 Parker 21 Super, which I used through secondary school and university (didn't have computers in those days) and which is my primary FP today,
- a Parker "New" Duofold, which I am not paricularly fond of, and
- a Pelikan M215, which I really like, but I seem to go through nibs.

I have on order two "nostalgia" fountain pens:

- an Esterbrook J and a 9668 nib, I used this model until 1963 when I replaced it with the Parker 21 above; unfortunately I didn't keep the Esterbrook, and
- a 1952 Conway Stewart 58, the pen of my dreams when I was in secondary school, but my folks wouldn't spring for one.

[Smedley]

Well, then, I have the pen for you. A Charles Hubert in green plaid. Damned thing feels like a hunk of plumbing in my hand; with the cap posted, it's very top heavy. It's got enough heft that you could probably use it for self defense. I got mine from I Sell Pens; you can see it just before halfway down this page.

http://www.isellpens.com/closeout.htm

At least it's cheap . . .

Thanks for the tip! I pulled the trigger on it. Now to find an "international converter" somewhere so I can use Noodler's Ink in it. Cartridge ink hasn't thrilled me so far with its saturation.

[bbqncigars]

I believe that isellpens also has converters. If not, there is tryphon (http://www.tryphon.it/). You can always add some shaving stuff to your tryphon order as well.

Wayne

[JonEdangerousli]

Well, then, I have the pen for you. A Charles Hubert in green plaid. Damned thing feels like a hunk of plumbing in my hand; with the cap posted, it's very top heavy. It's got enough heft that you could probably use it for self defense. I got mine from I Sell Pens; you can see it just before halfway down this page.

http://www.isellpens.com/closeout.htm

At least it's cheap . . .

I got one of those, as well as each of the others, the last one on the page I got two of, LOL. One came with a converter, but the others didn't, so I ordered 3 of them as well. Not a bad day for 4 pens less than $40 total!

Todd was absolutely a breeze to work with on the order. I'd highly recommend his site to anyone. Now I just hope he doesn't let me down in the fulfillment process, LOL!!!

[luckysealy]

damn you people. it's not bad enough i have spent a small fortune on razors, brushes, blades, and creams. i just bought a fountain pen, some ink and a converter. my handwriting is horrible. i think my next purchase will be write now. i sure hope my handwriting improves. my shaving has truly improved from what i have learned here.

[Rufus]

Here, here Michael. It's bad enough having SCAD, RAD, SBAD and ASAD, but now I feel as though I'm slipping into FPAD and WW(wrist watch)AD. Is there any hope, or, to paraphrase Napoleon, should I just lay back and enjoy it? On the plus side Michael, I find I write much better with an FP and I enjoy it.

[luckysealy]

since i'm new to the fountain pen scene. can anyone recommend a good paper for practicing my handwriting?

[farace]

I believe that isellpens also has converters.

Yes, they do. When I bought my Charles Hubert, I got a converter at the same time.

[TimmyBoston]

since i'm new to the fountain pen scene. can anyone recommend a good paper for practicing my handwriting?

ampad gold fibre 20 lb

[JonEdangerousli]

ampad gold fibre 20 lb

I use a 32lb HP laserjet paper. It's slicker than owl poop on a frozen pond!

[perry]

I have some laser printer paper -- Staples brand this time, though I've had HP in the past -- that I've printed out some of the writing and penmanship pages from this site (http://incompetech.com/graphpaper/) on. Don't need anything fancier for right now. The site lets you pick out what size writing area you want, so I was able to print pages that match up with what Write Now is using. I'm dating each page so I can go back in a few weeks and see how I've improved :thumbup1:

[luckysealy]

where would i find some ampad gold fibre 20 lb paper timmy?

[rtaylor61]

where would i find some ampad gold fibre 20 lb paper timmy?

Just use Google!

http://tinyurl.com/25zada

Randy

[TimmyBoston]

where would i find some ampad gold fibre 20 lb paper timmy?

I know for a fact, they've got it at Staples and I believe at both Office Max and Office Depot as well.

[TromboneGuy]

I'm just the opposite. I have a Mont Blanc Le Grand 149. I'm looking for an everyday "knockabout" pen. I've looked at the Safari but I really would like to find a good, fairly inexpensive, slim pen that will fit in the pen loop of my Franklin planner case.

Actually, my dad's into fountain pens and he told me "try them out - fill one up, write with it, clean it out, and fill up a different one". Right now I'm using his 149 and I really like it. I might have to get something like this for myself, though I might go for the Pelikan M800 instead of the Montblanc.

[WebGeezer]

Next pen has gotta be big and have some heft in the body! A Fat Boy of the fountain pen world, if you will.

Did someone say Fat Boy (http://www.michaelspens.com/fatboytshirts.html)?

[Smedley]

Did someone say Fat Boy (http://www.michaelspens.com/fatboytshirts.html)?

Holy cow, it's a universal marketing ploy. :biggrin: Thanks for the link!

[BarryR]

I'm just the opposite. I have a Mont Blanc Le Grand 149. I'm looking for an everyday "knockabout" pen. I've looked at the Safari but I really would like to find a good, fairly inexpensive, slim pen that will fit in the pen loop of my Franklin planner case.
I'd strongly suggest a Pelikian m200, m215 or other smaller Pelikan (assuming piston fill, no cartridges is OK with you). They're great pens and great values.
You can find the sizes here http://www.richardspens.com/?page=othertxt.htm you also can't go wrong purchasing from Richard or from Pam at www.oscarbraunpens.com (http://www.badgerandblade.com/vb/www.oscarbraunpens.com) they have great service and prices.

[GarageBoy]

Where are all the Fountain Pen Network people?
Proud user of a Pelikan M250, Lamy Safari/2000, Waterman Charleston and parker Vacumatics

The 149 is the Diplomat, not LeGrand. The M200/400 may be too small for you. Try them inperson first. I vote the m600 as a happy medium. Also look into the Lamy 2000. SUPER smooth writer

[farace]

Where are all the Fountain Pen Network people?

Oh, we're here. It was a short discussion of wetshaving on FPN that sent me here in the first place. I remember thinking before coming to B&B, "oh, no, I don't need another hobby . . ."

[bbqncigars]

Hmm, in my case it was a pen discussion on another shaving forum that led me to FPN. :mellow:



Wayne

[Rufus]

Anyone tried a Bexley Simplicity? If so, how'd you like it? Sounds like the perfect fountain pen from a cost-benefit perspective: combines "old world charm" with up to date technology, almost on a par with the Esterbrook dollar or J. What do you think?

[TimmyBoston]

I'd strongly suggest a Pelikian m200, m215 or other smaller Pelikan (assuming piston fill, no cartridges is OK with you). They're great pens and great values.
You can find the sizes here http://www.richardspens.com/?page=othertxt.htm you also can't go wrong purchasing from Richard or from Pam at www.oscarbraunpens.com (http://www.badgerandblade.com/vb/www.oscarbraunpens.com) they have great service and prices.

+1 I've got a M200 from Richard and he also custom ground the EF nib. It's a terrific pen, not scratchy at all. I love it and I was able to purchase it for $100.

[Berticus]

I was thinking about getting a fountain pen. So far I've only considered getting either the Cross II Lustrous Chrome or the Cross ATX Pure Chrome.

Anybody got any specific model or brand they would like to recommend me? I like slim design with chrome or silver as the main color, of course other colors are welcome with it as well. Something really elegant.

[Rufus]

The obvious question: How much do want to spend? Another question: Vintage or modern? You can get some very nice vintage pens at reasonable prices if you shop carefully and stick with reputable vendors. If you want to spend $100 or less for a modern pen you should consider: a Lamy Safari, a Bexley Simplicity or a Pelikan 200 or 215. If vintage is your preference there is a wide selection of Esterbrook Js available in good condtion for about $50 as well as Parker 21s. If you want to spend more, say $200 or thereabouts, my favourite modern is the Bexley American, which resembles the Wahl Eversharp "Doric", a classic from the 1930's. In the vintage realm my favourites in this price bracket are the Conway Stewart 58 and 60, and the Sheaffer Snorkel Valiant with the gold Triumph nib (one in mint/near mint condition would run about $125 - $225 depending on the colour); a Sheaffer PFM is another classic although in high demand and depending on model, colour, nib choice and condition will run from $175 to $500, be advised, this is a big pen. An all time classic vintage pen is the venerable Parker 51, which will set you back at least $125 for one in good condition. Check out Richard Binder's website for a good selection of modern and vintage pens as well as reference material on everything to do with fountain pens. The sky's the limit when it comes to fountain pens so be careful of FPAD.

[farace]

An all time classic vintage pen is the venerable Parker 51, which will set you back at least $125 for one in good condition.

Maybe, but not necessarily, depending on the model, finish, and vintage. A flighter (all stainless steel) will be rather expensive, but mine, a cedar blue "51" Special from around 1963 and in great shape, cost me $35 from another member of FPN, and it was ready to write when it arrived (no repairs necessary). It's not the most exciting pen I have, but it is the most reliable.

[Rufus]

Farace, agreed, but there is a nuance here: The 51 Special is the less expensive version of the 51 and was introduced as an entry level pen of the 51. I'm not very familiar with the Special, but it probably doesn't have a 14k gold nib or a rolled gold/goldfilled cap; not sure what other differences there would be. Another thing Berticus should be aware of if he's thinking of vintage is to ensure the pen has been properly restored (e.g. sac has been replaced), which highlights the necessity of sticking with reputable vendors who'll stand behind what they sell and who can guide him through the maze of models, nibs, colours, etc.

[Dennis]

I have never used a fountain pen. I had to correct that, so a Lamy Safari is on the way (along with some Noodlers Ink).

Dennis

[Rufus]

IMO the Lamy Safari is an excellent "starter" pen for some one who's not used an FP before; it's the FP equivalent of the Gillette Tech or Schick Krona. I've used an FP all my life (we could only use dip pens in primary school and only FPs in secondary school and would have been summarily executed if a ballpoint, we called them Biros, were brought on to school property), but I still use my Lamy Safari frequently. Dennis, the nose of the camel is in the tent and it won't be long before FPAD sets in, so batten down the hatches and get ready for a spectacular ride.

[norman931]

Another great inexpensive pen is the Pelikan Pelikano.

Norm

[Dennis]

Dennis, the nose of the camel is in the tent and it won't be long before FPAD sets in, so batten down the hatches and get ready for a spectacular ride.

I read through the FAQs at FPN - very helpful. God, I hope my nose isn't in the tent.... my wife will assasinate me if I start another AD. :rolleyes:

Dennis

[BarryR]

Maybe, but not necessarily, depending on the model, finish, and vintage. A flighter (all stainless steel) will be rather expensive, but mine, a cedar blue "51" Special from around 1963 and in great shape, cost me $35 from another member of FPN, and it was ready to write when it arrived (no repairs necessary). It's not the most exciting pen I have, but it is the most reliable.I bought a Parker 51 (not 'Special', dark blue, silver cap) in very good condition off ebay for about $50, there sometimes sold at by fountainpennetwork.com (http://badgerandblade.com/vb/fountainpennetwork.com) members for about that much as well. If you become an FPN member you can post a WTB listing and you'll probably get some responses.

[farace]

Farace, agreed, but there is a nuance here: The 51 Special is the less expensive version of the 51 and was introduced as an entry level pen of the 51. I'm not very familiar with the Special, but it probably doesn't have a 14k gold nib or a rolled gold/goldfilled cap; not sure what other differences there would be. Another thing Berticus should be aware of if he's thinking of vintage is to ensure the pen has been properly restored (e.g. sac has been replaced), which highlights the necessity of sticking with reputable vendors who'll stand behind what they sell and who can guide him through the maze of models, nibs, colours, etc.

Can't argue with that. The Special has a slightly different aerometric filler (presumably cheaper to manufacture). I've never actually seen the nib on mine, so I can't comment there. The cap is the Lustraloy, and mine has the pearl jewel (I understand jewels can vary greatly on these pens.) It does, however, write as well as any other model of "51." It's certainly less entry-level than some of the entry-level pens Parker has made in the recent past (I have a Vector that sees very little use; the fine nib thinks it's a medium). There is a site devoted to the "51" at http://www.parker51.com.

[Smedley]

IMO the Lamy Safari is an excellent "starter" pen for some one who's not used an FP before; it's the FP equivalent of the Gillette Tech or Schick Krona. I've used an FP all my life (we could only use dip pens in primary school and only FPs in secondary school and would have been summarily executed if a ballpoint, we called them Biros, were brought on to school property), but I still use my Lamy Safari frequently. Dennis, the nose of the camel is in the tent and it won't be long before FPAD sets in, so batten down the hatches and get ready for a spectacular ride.

Indeed. I started with a Safari, then I got the Charles Hubert (still waiting for shipment because I ordered during his holiday), then a Waterman Phileas, then a Snorkel from eBay (also still waiting for shipment). Not sure if the Snorkel was a wise purchase or not, it might have to go get some repairs from Richard. Or maybe not, I hope. The camel enters slowly into the tent... :lol:

[Rufus]

David, with respect to the snorkel the key issues are whether or not the sac and seals have been replaced, and if the snorkel moves in and out freely. Of course there are other issues, as there are with all vintage pens, but IMO these ones are specific to the snorkel. I too have recently purchased a snorkel: it's a mint Valiant with a 14k Triumph nib in fern green; haven't received it yet, but I owned one in secondary school many, many years ago so it'll bring back memories, both good and not so good. Hope you enjoy yours. I'm waiting for the posterior portion of the camel to enter my tent now.

[farace]

I repaired my own Snorkel--new sac and seals. It's a bit more difficult than just doing a resac like for most other pens, but if you're mechanically inclined and have decent dexterity, it's doable.

[TimmyBoston]

Does anyone have a Waterman Charleston? I've been looking at them pretty seriously, but at my local pen shop, you can't try out any fountains, so I'm looking for some first hand information. Also any recommendations on Waterman nib sizes?

Thanks

[rtaylor61]

Does anyone have a Waterman Charleston? I've been looking at them pretty seriously, but at my local pen shop, you can't try out any fountains, so I'm looking for some first hand information. Also any recommendations on Waterman nib sizes?

Thanks

I loves my Charleston! It is my 'special' occasion pen. It doesn't go to the office. I use it for greeting cards and personal letters (you remember those, before email!)! It is nicely weighted, writes smoothly and is a beauty. I have it in Ivory.

As far as nibs, this is a personal preference based on writing style. When I use a gel pen or ballpoint, I'm not picky. But with a FP, I write more slowly. Otherwise, my handwriting is sloppy. So with a FP, I prefer a fine nib. Otherwise, I get too much ink and a lot of bleeding (does that count as shave related?). Also, when using a FP, quality of paper becomes an issue. If you use cheap paper, a fine or extra fine nib may become toothy and "grab" the paper, yet still bleed through or feather.

I don't own any "high end" pens. The majority of my pens are Waterman. The medium nibs seem to allow, for me, an excess of ink. I'll stick with fine in the future. YMMV!

Randy

[TimmyBoston]

I loves my Charleston! It is my 'special' occasion pen. It doesn't go to the office. I use it for greeting cards and personal letters (you remember those, before email!)! It is nicely weighted, writes smoothly and is a beauty. I have it in Ivory.

As far as nibs, this is a personal preference based on writing style. When I use a gel pen or ballpoint, I'm not picky. But with a FP, I write more slowly. Otherwise, my handwriting is sloppy. So with a FP, I prefer a fine nib. Otherwise, I get too much ink and a lot of bleeding (does that count as shave related?). Also, when using a FP, quality of paper becomes an issue. If you use cheap paper, a fine or extra fine nib may become toothy and "grab" the paper, yet still bleed through or feather.

I don't own any "high end" pens. The majority of my pens are Waterman. The medium nibs seem to allow, for me, an excess of ink. I'll stick with fine in the future. YMMV!

Randy

Thanks for the info Randy. The Ivory Charleston was the exact pen I was looking at. I already have a Pelikan with an EF nib, so I was looking at an F or M, probably an F though. Thanks again for the info. :thumbup:

[BarryR]

I think I've seen good reviews of it at www.fountainpennetwork.com (http://badgerandblade.com/vb/www.fountainpennetwork.com). I have no personal experience with it but have thought about buying one. It's a really nice looking pen.

[Mike in Cincy]

I currently have an "entry level" $25 Waterman fountain pen with a fine tip. I like it, but I would like to find a FP under $35 with a smaller tip. Any suggestions?

[rexj]

Please stop. First straights, then DE, now fountain pens; what next coffee roasting? oh no too late. Anyone know of a cheap rehab center?

[BarryR]

IMHO writing with ball point pen is like shaving with a cartridge razor and goo (thus the common overlap on these forums). It gets the job done quickly, without any learning curve and it's a tedious monoatony. Writing with an FP on the other hand is a joy!

[bbqncigars]

Mike: Some of the cheaper Hero pens are quite nice F/XF writers for cheap. I've got a 616, 329, and a 237 will be the next purchase. The 237 is the Hero 'accountant pen' in XF/XXF and has been favorably received at the f.p.network.


Wayne

[TickTock]

Since we're on the topic of fountain pens, any of you in the DC area want to go to the biggest pen show in the world, it's today and tomorrow at the Sheraton in Tyson's Corner, VA.

http://pencentral.com

Plenty of thousand-dollar pens, a table with 250 inks to try, the best nib tweakers in the world, and a lot of insane acquisition disorders on full display.

I'll be there!

[mozart]

Next pen will be more pricey. Also, not thin plastic/celluloid. I was handling some of the lower end Pelikans at the local pen store and they felt flimsy and cheap. Next pen has gotta be big and have some heft in the body! A Fat Boy of the fountain pen world, if you will.

If you write a fair amount by hand, you'll appreciate the lightest writing implement possible. An FP should by no means be hefty. Heavy equipment means you need a tighter grip, which causes fatigue, cramps, and - in the long run - more serious problems with your fingers/hand. The mantra is to use the least amount of force and the most economical movements to get something accomplished. That also guarantees the most control over the writing itself. Any excess force will be directed at the body and will do harm over time. Watch today's kids write with a pen (if they do write by hand at all). The first thing to notice is that they usually grip the pen as if it was a squeeze ball, and the end joints of their fingers are collapsed. Ouch!

Of course, if you write only occasionally, anything goes.

Best - MM

[Mike in Cincy]

bbqncigars,
Which Hero models have VF points? The only ones I've found are fine.

[Smedley]

If you write a fair amount by hand, you'll appreciate the lightest writing implement possible.

I will bear this in mind as I experiment with my new Charles Hubert pen. :biggrin: I don't think I'll be writing with any one pen long enough. Somehow the variety in pens appeals to me the way the variety in shaving razors does: a rotation through a cycle of pens for my daily writing needs.

[bbqncigars]

Mike: Look here (http://www.hisnibs.com/'237-1'.htm). Looks like there's some demand for these.



Wayne

[DoorKicker]

Hi Mike you can look at avalonpens.com. I have purchased several Hero 616 which come in VF. They are look alikes of the Parker 51. I used this has my everyday pen at work. It is also the cheapest place I have find them. Peace out.:cool:

[headdoc]

Just popped into this discusion. I have my share (13) of DE's and when I saw this I thought I'd look. I have my Mont Blank 149, Shaffer white dot-classic, Parker 51, Pellican, & Watermans. Now the absolute best writing pen I own is the Namiki Vanishing Point. This is a gotta have if you use a fountain pen. I had an older model and it flew out of my pocket on the motorcycle. I have bought a newer model and it is a bit larger with the same nib. The pen company is now owned by Pilot.
I also have a couple Hero's...fine pen with gold (not plated) nibs. A great array of these (and other pens) can be found at Isellpens.com.
This site also sells converters, cartridges, and ink. My favorite is Noodler's. Try the site and order at will. The owner is great to work with, very friendly.
Headdoc

[TimmyBoston]

Pulled the trigger on the Waterman Charleston in Ivory with a fine nib, thanks for the tip Randy :thumbup1:

[Smedley]

My Snorkel arrived and (so far) seems to be in full working order. And a very nice writer to boot! It might be giving me my favourite line from my four pens!