Osama bin laden killed

[calcustom]

TV just broke in with the news.

[The Pontificator]

DNA tests confirmed.

[calcustom]

They can finally put this to rest.

[GreekGuy]

TV just broke in with the news.

Only took them 10 years...

[jwcarlson]

Wow, thanks for the heads up! Very interesting to hear what happened.

[garyg]

While that might be some comfort to some, the fact is that roaches breed fast, there's another out there ..

[calcustom]

I put this in the wrong place darn it.
Needs to be moved!

[SeattleSparky]

Need to see the body! Prove it!

[R.A.D]

Crazy.

Thanks for the heads up. Watching the news about it now.

[du52]

Did he shave his beard first?

[Easttexasman]

Wow,I wonder if there will be some kind of retaliation.


Paul

[Mr. Imperial]

Looks like Chuck Norris finally had enough.

[Phog Allen]

Bloody good. About time the murdering ***** got his.

Regards, Todd

[Jon1944]

CBS news just reported that Osama Bin Laden has been killed and his corpse is in US custody. Congrats to the ones who got him!

[Slowhand]

In 30 years, if the story of this operation/mission is published, it will sell more copies than the Good Book. I'll buy it and drop everything I'm doing and read it front to back.

[redrako]

Bloody good. About time the murdering ***** got his.

Regards, Todd

+1 Your tone captures it all.

[the fnger genius]

Did he shave his beard first?

This board is awesome.

[sol92258]

Wow,I wonder if there will be some kind of retaliation.


Paul
not if, but when, unfortunately


Bloody good. About time the murdering ***** got his.

Regards, Todd
+1

[Mako72]

Ding Dong the witch is dead, the witch is dead, the wicked witch is dead!!!!!!!!!!!

Now when do we get to see the head on a stick?!?

Jay

[garyg]

Well, CBS is dragging it out .. says a great boost to US politicians, the coverage is banal at best, they keep showing pictures of Ol' Bin, then the Towers ..

Perhaps, it is an hour since the announcement went out, maybe Trump couldn't be located for a briefing? Or do the pols, like hockey players, have to pause for TV time .. some blather by the fourth estate & commercials?

Or, do it as so I'll type .. what do they do with the body?

oh, get his head back, or his hands!!

[JohnnyDemonic]

It only cost $1,188,292,000,000 to kill him.
Are the wars over now?

[DVM2012]

Just a little celebration of a long-overdue new statement. I guess I could make it shaving-related if we talk about what kind of razor he should have used. My guess would be a Slant. That beard looked miiiiighty thick! :lol:

[DrColossus11]

Glad they got him, but unfortunately there will be someone else to take his place.

[DFrancis]

So does this mean we can see more of our men and women come home from Afghanistan?

[sid3000]

He shouldve definitely used a beard trimmer first, otherwise he wouldve tugged on the hairs instead of cut them: standard newbie mistake :lol:

[pyrrhusmj]

While that might be some comfort to some, the fact is that roaches breed fast, there's another out there ..

And the roach will b someone that will have extra hatred for "murdering" his idol...... People stink, but let's enjoy this moment!

[dpm802]

Its been more than an hour since CSI:Miami was interrupted to announce that President Obama was going to make a "special report."

Since then, the news has been breaking and the story developing like wildfire ... I've watched reports from CBS and NBC news, read the stories on BBC, MSNBC and even AlJazeera.

And we're still waiting on the White House ... How much more can President Obama tell us that we don't already know?

[hunter87597]

I want to see the body. We saw Sadam's dead sons, and Osama is a MUCH bigger priority than they were. We need pictures.

And if they want to retaliate, I have an M1 Garand that says bring it.

[Occam's New DE]

There is never an end to such things. This sends a message to all the wannabes though. Nobody gets away. No matter how long it takes. Cheers to all the troops who made it happen, and RIP all those who paid the unfortunate price for his ideology.

[Hayden]

:001_smile

[garyg]

It only cost $1,188,292,000,000 to kill him.
Are the wars over now?

See below


Glad they got him, but unfortunately there will be someone else to take his place.


Amen, but that word is the reason for this .. I say amen, someone else says alu abhakar. Until folks stop using an idol, bearded or not, as an excuse for their greed, it won't stop. Step back 1000 years, the Crusades were just to take from the inhabitants of the Holy Land.

Religions have to stop being used for greedy people

[SalvadorMontenegro]

I don't know that I've ever been so happy that someone is dead.

[jonwings]

Sadly, I just don't think this matters....

We are still bombing people in Iraq, Afganistan, Pakistan, and Libyia and I do not see this changing any of that.

And why were we bombing all these poor people in the mountains while this guy was sitting in a mansion getting dialysis?

And we kill Public enemy number 1 and the news is telling me we are less safe?

As much I a respect all the men and women in the armed forces, I think we are all being screwed with and it needs to stop.

I am glad he is dead, but I do not think Bin Laden has been relevent for years.

[Obsessed]

I don't know that I've ever been so happy that someone is dead.

My wife and I were just saying the same thing.

[StylinLA]

My wife and I were just saying the same thing.

Make it four of us then.

[Slowhand]

1) bin Laden
2) Waldo
3) Carmen Sandiego

[Woodrobin]

Ding Dong the witch is dead, the witch is dead, the wicked witch is dead!!!!!!!!!!

Actually, I'm a Witch (Wiccan). Osama bin Laden was an over-privileged trust fund baby from Saudi Arabia with delusions of grandeur and a saviour complex, and is a slab of meat slowly approaching room temperature. As a Kansan I get the Wizard of Oz reference, just wanted to clarify the distinction.

From the President's speech: U.S. intelligence received a tip about eight months ago and developed solid evidence of his location within Pakistan, and Pres. Obama authorised a surgical strike by a special forces unit which killed bin Laden after a short fire fight and retrieved the body. Then we let Pakistan we'd bagged and tagged the S.O.B. (he didn't exactly say it like that, but that's the gist of it). :thumbup1:

[delisle]

I was happy for about a minute. We now have a headless monster, those operations are run on a 'left hand does not know what the right hand does'. While this is a really significant mile stone it is just that, a mile stone. With Al Quada they are a fanatical idea with massive power, we will have to continue to fight this for a long time to come.

God Bless the USA, and protect our service members who will continue to keep us safe from evil.

[Slowhand]

Wait, what?

/ObL

[noahpictures]

woohoo!!!

[RyanR]

As someone who was flying for United Airlines, this is very personal for me. This is all about JUSTICE!

[DavyRay]

I just got a call from my daughter in college. College kids on her campus have gone outside to cheer and celebrate.

I just watched the President's address on this. Could a Mod please change the title of this thread? Osama was not killed in a missle attack. He was killed by a CIA attack on his hidden compound in Pakistan. The reports say he was shot in the head during a fire fight.

[Mako72]

Actually, I'm a Witch (Wiccan)... As a Kansan I get the Wizard of Oz reference, just wanted to clarify the distinction.

No offense intended on the first as I meant the second!:lol:

It was just the first thing that sprung to mind! Now off to watch Team America World Police!

Jay

[Topgumby]

Couldn't of happened to a nicer guy.

Makes me think of those pictures I saw of people choosing to leap rather than burn in the towers, some of the stuff I saw when I was deployed because of it and how it's affected my family.

I don't have all the answers, and I'm certainly no theological thinker, but I really hope that Old Scratch is 'splainin' to Osama right about now that things are a little different than what he expected.

[garyg]

9/11 was personal for me also - but somehow the clips of college kids climbing trees to celebrate the death of a man they didn't fight saddens me again.

[Topgumby]

9/11 was personal for me also - but somehow the clips of college kids climbing trees to celebrate the death of a man they didn't fight saddens me again.

Yep, it's a funny feeling. I'm glad he's done for, it's a "victory" if there can be one in the "war on terror", but it's not like VE or VJ day celebration, it doesn't mean that the boys are coming home or the killing is over.

It'd be nice, but I don't think that's what this means.

[MattK42]

9/11 was personal for me also - but somehow the clips of college kids climbing trees to celebrate the death of a man they didn't fight saddens me again.

I second that about the celebrating. It's relieving to know that Al Qaeda no longer has it's leader. I'm not jumping up and down celebrating someone's death. I'm also praying that there isn't a retaliation.

[DavyRay]

He was a monster. He's dead. I do not blame college kids for celebrating. They have lived with this for a larger proportion of their lives than we have.

[delisle]

I second that about the celebrating. It's relieving to know that Al Qaeda no longer has it's leader. I'm not jumping up and down celebrating someone's death. I'm also praying that there isn't a retaliation.

I am sad that I am 99.9% sure there will be retaliation. The headless monster is now without direction and the mess to follow is going to be painful.

[StylinLA]

I just got a call from my daughter in college. College kids on her campus have gone outside to cheer and celebrate.

I just watched the President's address on this. Could a Mod please change the title of this thread? Osama was not killed in a missle attack. He was killed by a CIA attack on his hidden compound in Pakistan. The reports say he was shot in the head during a fire fight.

CNN is saying Navy Seals

[DavyRay]

CNN is saying Navy Seals

That is more likely than CIA. It will take a few days for the dust to settle.

[setldown]

I love the FACT Bin Laden had to stare down American Soldiers as his last look on earth! Liberty and Justice for ALL.

[DavyRay]

Weird thing. I looked up Abbottabad in Wikipedia, just to see something about the region.
This, at 12:03 AM on March 2. 2011. The entry included the information

"on May 1, 2011, U.S. President Barack Obama announced that Osama bin Laden had been killed in Abbottabad."

Talk about fast. The Wiki editor for that page was really on the ball.

[StylinLA]

He was a monster. He's dead. I do not blame college kids for celebrating. They have lived with this for a larger proportion of their lives than we have.

Cmon...these kids were 10-11 years old when 9-11 happened. What they saw as little kids was how the whole country and their parents came unglued for a few days. As DavyRay said, half their lives they've had to live with this boogey man's existence.

Let them celebrate. I'd be out there too.

[Kevan]

Cmon...these kids were 10-11 years old when 9-11 happened. What they saw as little kids was how the whole country and their parents came unglued for a few days. As DavyRay said, half their lives they've had to live with this boogey man's existence.

Let them celebrate. I'd be out there too.
+1000. I was in high school. This has been a long time coming. How many people who celebrated in Times Square pn VJ Day actually fought? Older people saying "Look at them darn kids" at a time like this is more than a little silly. It doesn't mean the war is over, but this is a victory.

[SalvadorMontenegro]

This is really a hell of a moment, isn't it? The more time that passes, the greater the magnitude of it seems.

I need to go to bed, but I can't turn off the television.

[Greg1911]

Put his head on a spike on the Pentagon and feed his body to some pigs.

[garyg]

+1000. I was in high school. This has been a long time coming. How many people who celebrated in Times Square pn VJ Day actually fought? Older people saying "Look at them darn kids" at a time like this is more than a little silly. It doesn't mean the war is over, but this is a victory.

Ok, I B older. & your point is accurate Kevan, if you were in high school on V-J Day. The point of V-J was that a nation had surrendered, on the deck of a USS battleship, wearing swallowtailed coats. It was over.

Not bitter, but times have changed, one dead skunk means only that there are some that are missed, and another wanders on back. Unless they were in uniform they are just punks.

[klassic1]

Long Live America! Bin Laden is dead.

I get the feeling that this upcoming 4th of July is gonna be a good one.

[tvldatsi]

lol, would that be Appstate? yeah, the cops showed up about 5 minutes after people started cheering. they're good old boys though so no harm done, they'd probably like to celebrate too


I just got a call from my daughter in college. College kids on her campus have gone outside to cheer and celebrate.

[JohnnyDemonic]

With Al Quada they are a fanatical idea with massive power, we will have to continue to fight this for a long time to come.

Fear mongering at it's finest.

Kill Bin Laden, that was the mission. Not occupy 3 Middle Eastern countries indefinitely because we're affraid something might happen if we look the other way.
I can't talk about politics, it only makes me angry. :glare:

[Mohillian]

Happy he is gone...sucks any of this had to happen.

[Rufust445]

Was gonna try to get one more shave from a Treet Durasharp tomorrow. Time to switch to a surprisingly good medical Personna from this country, of all places.

Sez they burned their trash in the compound instead of leaving it at the curb. Hopefully there's still lots of good info in the place. No word whether that little guy with glasses, Zwari, or whatever, was by his side at the end.

[Kevan]

I doubt he was. While al Qaeda is not "powerful," they are decentralized, which is why it's so hard to get these high-profile scalps. They would not have the #1 and #2 in the same place.

[Cerealx59]

1) bin Laden
2) Waldo
3) Carmen Sandiego

I literally did a spit take when I read this! :lol::lol::lol:


But on the subject of Bin Laden, I gotta say its quite a relief. Good Job Boy's:001_cool:

[garyg]

Fear mongering at it's finest.

Kill Bin Laden, that was the mission. Not occupy 3 Middle Eastern countries indefinitely because we're affraid something might happen if we look the other way.
I can't talk about politics, it only makes me angry. :glare:

No politics are allowed at B&B I recall, which is why I don't get angry so much :thumbup:

[Dewaine]

Does ten years really seem reasonable? And how many $trillions? I know gov't isn't all about efficiency, but really...

[craig87c]

If anyone's interested, I was just at Ground Zero

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqJhz3Uw93E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIW8w0z1mNU

[joel]

1) bin Laden
2) Waldo
3) Carmen Sandiego

:lol:

[joel]

If anyone's interested, I was just at Ground Zero

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqJhz3Uw93E

Wow - too cool, thanks for sharing.

[craig87c]

Just added another. If there's foul language, I'm sorry and I'll delete the posts if need be (I didn't listen that carefully while filming). I wasn't the one chanting it!

I have to say, it was a powerful feeling looking up at the Freedom Tower.

[Legion]

I don't know if I should put this out there... :bored:

While I can totally understand the US's hatred for the man, actually witnessing people in a "civilised" country openly celebrating someone, anyones, death, it makes me vaguely uncomfortable.

[Mama Bear]

thinking Trump actually had a bad weekend...

i don't know whether to laugh or cry.. celebrate or pray. I am glad he is dead and I raise a toast to who killed him.

[urr-lord]

interesting

I posted a comment about a porcine picnic when this was first posted in another section.My comment did not survive the move.Nothing profane or obscene was said......
I was quite restrained considering I have friends and co-workers with shrapnel in their bodies, wrecked knees and hearing.From our response(correct or incorrect) to this mans actions.

:thumbdown

p.s.
I'm still glad he's dead.:thumbup:

[Mama Bear]

I don't know if I should put this out there... :bored:

While I can totally understand the US's hatred for the man, actually witnessing people in a "civilised" country openly celebrating someone, anyones, death, it makes me vaguely uncomfortable.

I agree.. it is almost like watching other burn the American Flag but from the other point of view.. There is a huge sense of blood thirstyness.. but I know it is a knee jerk reaction and am sorry they are televising it so agressively. I don't know what will happen next but hope sense will prevail again shortly.

Edit.. on the other hand, I am going to celebrate myself.

[dpm802]

Not even 3 hours since the news broke, and there are almost 1,300 "Osama is dead" items available BIN on eBay.

Just like college kids never miss an opportunity to throw a party, there are lots of people who will jump at any chance to make a buck.

[Topgumby]

I'm not celebrating the death. I'm just happy to see the triumph of justice.

Very sad that a woman used as a "human shield" died in the raid.

[Legion]

I agree.. it is almost like watching other burn the American Flag but from the other point of view.. There is a huge sense of blood thirstyness.. but I know it is a knee jerk reaction and am sorry they are televising it so agressively. I don't know what will happen next but hope sense will prevail again shortly.

Edit.. on the other hand, I am going to celebrate myself.

Exactly. When I saw that video and read what some people have said (Or rather, the way it was said) I had visions of people burning foreign flags, effigies and firing AK-47's in the air to celebrate.

I'm not bothered by people having feelings of closure and justice being served. It's just the way it is being expressed that makes me uneasy.

[Woodrobin]

woohoo!!!

+1

[proxymoron]

While I can totally understand the US's hatred for the man, actually witnessing people in a "civilised" country openly celebrating someone, anyones, death, it makes me vaguely uncomfortable.

Right there with you.

We set out to get the guy. We got the guy. This doesn't bring back our dead--either from 9/11 or in all the days since--and it certainly won't stop our guys from dying in the retaliatory wars we entered in his name.

I'll cheer as loud as anyone when the troops come home, but I don't think any of them are packing their bags just yet.

[Mama Bear]

Exactly. When I saw that video and read what some people have said (Or rather, the way it was said) I had visions of people burning foreign flags, effigies and firing AK-47's in the air to celebrate.

I'm not bothered by people having feelings of closure and justice being served. It's just the way it is being expressed that makes me uneasy.

I am sorry for that.. i also understand that. Completely.. this is a celebration that all American's need.. so much pain and death, so much grief.. maybe it will be a little harder for terrorists now.. I don't know, but this is a milestone.. calmer heads will prevail tomorrow. There has been nothing but hell for us for the past decade.. and we have paid the price for this war believe me.. maybe it is finally over, maybe we can finally move on, I don't know.. no one is being violent tho.. it is just a sheer outpouring of relief and release.

[Mama Bear]

plus.. a little levity here.. I don't think we have to worry about Trump being President any longer... :thumbup1::w00t:

[Legion]

I am sorry for that.. i also understand that. Completely.. this is a celebration that all American's need.. so much pain and death, so much grief.. maybe it will be a little harder for terrorists now.. I don't know, but this is a milestone.. calmer heads will prevail tomorrow. There has been nothing but hell for us for the past decade.. and we have paid the price for this war believe me.. maybe it is finally over, maybe we can finally move on, I don't know.. no one is being violent tho.. it is just a sheer outpouring of relief and release.

Yeah. :thumbup1:

Well let's hope some more good things come from this, and the politicians see it as a first step to winding this war up and bringing people home to their families. Fingers crossed.

[StylinLA]

While I can understand the philosophical issues with the celebrating, understand that the celebrating would be the same had he been captured which was probably the intent of the mission. It would have been a far bigger coup to "arrest" him alive. They could have just bombed the location, but they sent our troops in at huge, huge risk. It took major balls to do that.

I think many countries would have a different perspective had their civilians been targeted by his plane attacks.

I live in a large American city ripe with potential targets. I work in a target. I doubt I'm any safer as a result of this. But the king of the terrorist punks is dead and I am quite pleased to hear it, come what may.

[Mama Bear]

Yeah. :thumbup1:

Well let's hope some good comes of this, and that it can be a first step to winding this war up and bringing people home to their families. Fingers crossed.

I agree with you with all of my heart and soul..

Bear Hugs!

[Mama Bear]

While I can understand the philosophical issues with the celebrating, understand that the celebrating would be the same had he been captured which was probably the intent of the mission. It would have been a far bigger coup to "arrest" him alive. They could have just bombed the location, but they sent our troops in at huge, huge risk. It took major balls to do that.

I think many countries would have a different perspective had their civilians been targeted by his plane attacks.

I live in a large American city ripe with potential targets. I work in a target. I doubt I'm any safer as a result of this. But the king of the terrorist punks is dead and I am quite pleased to hear it, come what may.

already read something saying Pakistan is claiming the kill.. I doubt it.

[Mama Bear]

come what may.

Yes.. come what may.. and I am sure it will.. tonight however, it is worth it. :thumbup1:

[StylinLA]

Yes.. come what may.. and I am sure it will.. tonight however, it is worth it. :thumbup1:

Of course it will come...it always was going to...with or without his death. But he was their inspiration. The " George Washington" of the terrorist movement. Plus he bankrolled them. Wonder where the money is...

[Mama Bear]

Of course it will come...it always was going to...with or without his death. But he was their inspiration. The " George Washington" of the terrorist movement. Plus he bankrolled them. Wonder where the money is...

let's worry about that tomorrow.

[Topgumby]

Wonder where the money is...

Not with him, that's for damn sure.

Looks like this was an operation that got started right after 9-11 with some talk from prisoners in Gitmo about the courier. Kudos to all the people who pursued it, including both Presidents involved.

[matt_dumesny]

I'll cheer as loud as anyone when the troops come home, but I don't think any of them are packing their bags just yet.

"You may have 2 Aces, but there's still 4 Kings out there and you dont know where they are"

I really hope this goes a long way to bringing this horrible situation to an end and getting people home to their families.

[tvldatsi]

I was 12 when 9/11 happened, I remember watching the 2nd tower get hit live in Mrs. Hodges 8th grade classroom at Blowing Rock elementary. My college, a normally very liberal bunch of hipsters and tree huggers, just spent the last 4 hours screaming to the heavens, sprinting with flags and flipping into the campus duck pond blinded by the euphoria of retribution, and the opportunity for unity.

We(my generation) spent our entire teenage and adult lives knowing that somewhere this man who drove our country insane and provoked the contemporary leadership into taking action that most of us abhor was walking around free. Because of the indirect consequences of that man's actions, we can't even travel or study abroad in peace

We weren't old enough to vote Bush out, but we can at least see the other half of the reason we grew up pressured to be ashamed of our great nation die by the sword he lived by

you can say whatever you want about us being uncivilized or bloodthirsty, it's easy to pick on us, we're under global scrutiny 24/7, but you are not in a position to understand our feelings.

finally, it's not about celebrating death, for me it's about closing one of the many chapters in the book of insanity that has hindered our growth for the last decade. Americans rarely get an opportunity to be all on the same team, we are diverse. This was my Royal Wedding, you guys just don't get it.



I don't know if I should put this out there... :bored:

While I can totally understand the US's hatred for the man, actually witnessing people in a "civilised" country openly celebrating someone, anyones, death, it makes me vaguely uncomfortable.

[Mama Bear]

Very sad that a woman used as a "human shield" died in the raid.

Who knows if that is true or not, but there is a documented history of his beliefs regarding women. nuff said.

[Mama Bear]

I was 12 when 9/11 happened, I remember watching the 2nd tower get hit live in Mrs. Hodges 8th grade classroom at Blowing Rock elementary. My college, a normally very liberal bunch of hipsters and tree huggers, just spent the last 4 hours screaming to the heavens, sprinting with flags and flipping into the campus duck pond blinded by the euphoria of retribution, and the opportunity for unity.

We(my generation) spent our entire teenage and adult lives knowing that somewhere this man who drove our country insane and provoked the contemporary leadership into taking action that most of us abhor was walking around free. Because of the indirect consequences of that man's actions, we can't even travel or study abroad in peace

We weren't old enough to vote Bush out, but we can at least see the other half of the reason we grew up pressured to be ashamed of our great nation die by the sword he lived by

you can say whatever you want about us being uncivilized or bloodthirsty, it's easy to pick on us, we're under global scrutiny 24/7, but you are not in a position to understand our feelings.

finally, it's not about celebrating death, for me it's about closing one of the many chapters in the book of insanity that has hindered our growth for the last decade. Americans rarely get an opportunity to be all on the same team, we are diverse. This was my Royal Wedding, you guys just don't get it.

folks.. we really need a like button.

[Kevan]

I was 12 when 9/11 happened, I remember watching the 2nd tower get hit live in Mrs. Hodges 8th grade classroom at Blowing Rock elementary. My college, a normally very liberal bunch of hipsters and tree huggers, just spent the last 4 hours screaming to the heavens, sprinting with flags and flipping into the campus duck pond blinded by the euphoria of retribution, and the opportunity for unity.

We(my generation) spent our entire teenage and adult lives knowing that somewhere this man who drove our country insane and provoked the contemporary leadership into taking action that most of us abhor was walking around free. Because of the indirect consequences of that man's actions, we can't even travel or study abroad in peace

We weren't old enough to vote Bush out, but we can at least see the other half of the reason we grew up pressured to be ashamed of our great nation die by the sword he lived by

you can say whatever you want about us being uncivilized or bloodthirsty, it's easy to pick on us, we're under global scrutiny 24/7, but you are not in a position to understand our feelings.

finally, it's not about celebrating death, for me it's about closing one of the many chapters in the book of insanity that has hindered our growth for the last decade. Americans rarely get an opportunity to be all on the same team, we are diverse. This was my Royal Wedding, you guys just don't get it.
It's the equivalent of "darn kids on my lawn!!!!" Just let it pass. The oldsters don't understand.

Every celebrating kid out there knows this isn't over. I may be 26 and a dyed-in-the-wool and starched & pressed liberal, but I know this isn't over. The Taliban is still winning the hearts and minds of thousands of Afghans who are sick of a decade of war. Radical Islamism is expanding exponentially in Pakistan, with the spread of radical madrassas inching closer to the northwestern border with India. Yemen has turned into a total safe haven for terror. And like it or not, we have to work with Pakistani intelligence and local informants who change their mind daily depending on which way the wind blows. And because of the organic nature of al-Qaeda's operations, they can spread anywhere there's a ripe crop of young, easily twisted minds.

So no, it's not over. The original aim has been achieved, but the mission has evolved. All of that aside, TODAY IS A VICTORY. Thank you, President Obama for ramping up the focus to operations WITHIN Pakistan since you took office. Congratulations to the CIA and the intelligence services, to the Navy SEALS, and most of all, thank you to everyone who has fought in this war in defense of this country.

This is a victory. To my generation, it's pretty big. So let the kids celebrate for now.

[Mama Bear]

like like like like like... and don't you dare write us olders off.. it has just been simmering for us old folks.. and trust me,. something cooked in a crockpot is just as cooked as yours put out on the grill. Simmering is not just an American passtime..


It's the equivalent of "darn kids on my lawn!!!!" Just let it pass. The oldsters don't understand.

Every celebrating kid out there knows this isn't over. I may be 26 and a dyed-in-the-wool and starched & pressed liberal, but I know this isn't over. The Taliban is still winning the hearts and minds of thousands of Afghans who are sick of a decade of war. Radical Islamism is expanding exponentially in Pakistan, with the spread of radical madrassas inching closer to the northwestern border with India. Yemen has turned into a total safe haven for terror. And like it or not, we have to work with Pakistani intelligence and local informants who change their mind daily depending on which way the wind blows. And because of the organic nature of al-Qaeda's operations, they can spread anywhere there's a ripe crop of young, easily twisted minds.

So no, it's not over. The original aim has been achieved, but the mission has evolved. All of that aside, TODAY IS A VICTORY. Thank you, President Obama for ramping up the focus to operations WITHIN Pakistan since you took office. Congratulations to the CIA and the intelligence services, to the Navy SEALS, and most of all, thank you to everyone who has fought in this war in defense of this country.

This is a victory. To my generation, it's pretty big. So let the kids celebrate for now.

[tvldatsi]

youtube search "Appalachian State Osama" if you are curious to see some of our reaction. We've got about 15,000 undergrads at ASU fyi. The videos have lots of profanity, I think I shouldn't link any directly

[Mama Bear]

youtube search "Appalachian State Osama" if you are curious to see some of our reaction. We've got about 15,000 undergrads at ASU fyi. The videos have lots of profanity, I think I shouldn't link any directly

like like like like this too.. am I the only one over the age 25 who believes in letting our hearts justify our minds.. just for one night. please, please.. from an old farts standpoint.. let us celebrate a make believe day in freedom for terrorists.. none of us believe it to be true.. just let us pretend for a night.. again, my international friends.. there is no violence. there is no propoganda, there are no flags burning. all there is.. is celebration.. of what? Don't you get it!?!?!?! xoxox Sue

[Mama Bear]

Please give us this one night.. i know it sux.. I know it looks horrible.. but the pain is translating into cries for freedom. Into celebrations of stopping the wall of oppression, lack of freedom and one whole hec of a lot of pain for us who saw the towers go down and lost our families. I love you all so much.. but terrorism sux.

[Hex]

Just for a second, I wondered why they buried him at sea rather than in a plot of land. And yes, I heard their reasoning that a grave would be a shrine and cause pilgrimages, etc.

A land burial including a pig's head, would provide quite a good, target rich environment, or at least a confirmation of the pilgrims leanings. Take a picture, note names, license plates.

[Masterkova]

I was 12 when 9/11 happened, I remember watching the 2nd tower get hit live in Mrs. Hodges 8th grade classroom at Blowing Rock elementary. My college, a normally very liberal bunch of hipsters and tree huggers, just spent the last 4 hours screaming to the heavens, sprinting with flags and flipping into the campus duck pond blinded by the euphoria of retribution, and the opportunity for unity.

We(my generation) spent our entire teenage and adult lives knowing that somewhere this man who drove our country insane and provoked the contemporary leadership into taking action that most of us abhor was walking around free. Because of the indirect consequences of that man's actions, we can't even travel or study abroad in peace

We weren't old enough to vote Bush out, but we can at least see the other half of the reason we grew up pressured to be ashamed of our great nation die by the sword he lived by

you can say whatever you want about us being uncivilized or bloodthirsty, it's easy to pick on us, we're under global scrutiny 24/7, but you are not in a position to understand our feelings.

finally, it's not about celebrating death, for me it's about closing one of the many chapters in the book of insanity that has hindered our growth for the last decade. Americans rarely get an opportunity to be all on the same team, we are diverse. This was my Royal Wedding, you guys just don't get it.

Very well expressed, tvldatsi. As a slightly older American who was overseas on 9/11, I was somewhat surprised and perplexed at the energy of the younger generation as seen on the news tonight. Your post explains a lot. Thanks.

[Sir Ronald]

watching Obama's speech today made me think of the movie "Team America".

nothing changes does it.

[DaveNJ74]

I guess the October surprise came a little early and Jimmy carter didnt get much sleep last night. My tinfoil hat might be on a little too tight but as a former NYPD officer who was there that day ( 1st Pct ) I think this came a little too late AND a little too convenient before an election where the President's poll numbers are a little bit too low to get reelected. Burial at Sea??? :001_huh:
Thats my one and only political rant, I earned that right. Thanks all.

[Legion]

I guess the October surprise came a little too early and Jimmy carter didnt get much sleep last night. My tinfoil hat might be on a little too tight but as a former NYPD officer who was there that day ( 1st Pct ) I think this came a little too late AND a little too convenient before an election where the President's poll numbers are a little bit too low to get reelected. Burial at Sea??? :001_huh:
Thats my one and only political rant, I earned that right. Thanks all.

Phew! Glad an American said that before me.

[DaveNJ74]

Phew! Glad an American said that before me.

LOL cheers

[dalew]

TV just broke in with the news.

The shark that eats him is going to puke.

[Salty O'Rourke]

I guess the October surprise came a little early and Jimmy carter didnt get much sleep last night. My tinfoil hat might be on a little too tight but as a former NYPD officer who was there that day ( 1st Pct ) I think this came a little too late AND a little too convenient before an election where the President's poll numbers are a little bit too low to get reelected. Burial at Sea??? :001_huh:
Thats my one and only political rant, I earned that right. Thanks all.

Way too late, but better late than never.

Burial at sea so there's no chance of his gravesite becoming some sort of shrine for his followers. Burial in 24 hrs so this can't be portrayed as anti-Islam revenge but rather the burial of a heinous criminal in accordance with his religious tradition, just like we do with any dead criminal. News this morning said that they offered the remains to Saudi Arabia, who refused them.

I hate to see political cynicism creep into this - the timing is TERRIBLE politically, not "convenient". The next election is over a year away, no way this can be seen as some kind of politically expedient event.

[franz]

This man was responsible for nearly 3,000 deaths on a single day in September 2001.

I'm a peaceful and tolerant man, but the guy got what was coming to him.

[DolimiteB]

Hopefully it provides some degree of closure for the family's that lost people on 9/11 and in the subsequent war. However, fundamentally it doesn't really change the threat. Granted, UBL was the over-arching ideological leader/figurehead of the movement, but Al-Qaeda's more of a franchise operation now (AQAP, AQIM, etc.). The last couple of threats emanated from AQAP.

[JellyFox]

I don't know if I should put this out there... :bored:

While I can totally understand the US's hatred for the man, actually witnessing people in a "civilised" country openly celebrating someone, anyones, death, it makes me vaguely uncomfortable.

I feel the same way.

[DolimiteB]

It is somewhat ironic given that groups in the Middle East openly celebrated the success of 9/11, however as an American I'm comfortable with it. He changed the way we (the western world) live our lives.

[rm71]

Have any pictures of the body been seen? Who conducted the DNA tests?

[gull]

He changed the way we (the western world) live our lives.

But is that change for the better? Aside from some new building regulations, I don't know what good came out of 9/11.

[Sir Ronald]

Have any pictures of the body been seen? Who conducted the DNA tests?
there has been no pictures of the body and no information has been given about who conducted tests.

but its been announced on American TV. why would anyone require further information??

[Obsessed]

I'm not celebrating the death. I'm just happy to see the triumph of justice.


While I can understand the philosophical issues with the celebrating, understand that the celebrating would be the same had he been captured which was probably the intent of the mission. It would have been a far bigger coup to "arrest" him alive. They could have just bombed the location, but they sent our troops in at huge, huge risk. It took major balls to do that.

I think many countries would have a different perspective had their civilians been targeted by his plane attacks.

I live in a large American city ripe with potential targets. I work in a target. I doubt I'm any safer as a result of this. But the king of the terrorist punks is dead and I am quite pleased to hear it, come what may.


This man was responsible for nearly 3,000 deaths on a single day in September 2001.

I'm a peaceful and tolerant man, but the guy got what was coming to him.

Exactly. I'm happy he's dead, and I'm not ashamed of that. I'd be just as happy if they'd captured him and hauled him into court, but the world is a better place without him. I was living in Manhattan on 9/11, and I've been thinking back on that day more than I have in years. Condemning people for celebrating is an unjustified abstraction in my opinion, albeit an understandable one.

[rm71]

Has Donald Trump asked for a death certificate?

[ouch]

There are a thousand reasons why I shouldn't drink, but right now I can't think of a single one.
-Shemp Howard, c. 1947

There are a thousand reasons why we shouldn't celebrate the death of a human being, but right now I can't think of a single one. I can, however, envision a thousand scenarios more horrific than what was the relatively quick end to the life of OBL, any one of which I would have welcomed.

[Slowhand]

Way too late, but better late than never.

Burial at sea so there's no chance of his gravesite becoming some sort of shrine for his followers. Burial in 24 hrs so this can't be portrayed as anti-Islam revenge but rather the burial of a heinous criminal in accordance with his religious tradition, just like we do with any dead criminal. News this morning said that they offered the remains to Saudi Arabia, who refused them.

I hate to see political cynicism creep into this - the timing is TERRIBLE politically, not "convenient". The next election is over a year away, no way this can be seen as some kind of politically expedient event.

Agree. This was about one thing: getting the job done when the opportunity presented itself.

[Speedwell68]

I want to see the body. We saw Sadam's dead sons, and Osama is a MUCH bigger priority than they were. We need pictures.

Google is your friend, there are some quite gruesome shots out there already. I have no idea if they are genuine or not.

[Izzy76]

Unfortunately, while we can't resolve the reasons why terrorism exists, it won't change a thing, IMHO. And, as others, I'm quite disapointed that he wasn't captured alive.

We'll surely will never knew the exacts facts of his death.

[craig87c]

Google is your friend, there are some quite gruesome shots out there already. I have no idea if they are genuine or not.

{Mod: Sorry, link removed. Fake, but in general, NSFW = NSFB&B.}

The lead picture is the gruesome photo, so it's probably NSFW.

[Loner16]

Justice served!

I just hope the reports of burial at sea are smokescreen, and that he was actually buried in a ditch on the side of the road, wrapped in a sheepskin, with his head facing away from Mecca!

No virgins for him!

[Crixus]

So does this mean we can see more of our men and women come home from Afghanistan?Good one. :biggrin1:

[SliceOfLife]

Justice served!

I just hope the reports of burial at sea are smokescreen, and that he was actually buried in a ditch on the side of the road, wrapped in a sheepskin, with his head facing away from Mecca!

No virgins for him!

If the order of the universe dictates that Bin Laden gets paradise for the life he's led, I've got more problems with the man in charge than with Bin Laden.

I fail to see the political timing of this event. We knew he was in Pakistan. Someone finally decided to try and kill him in Pakistan. That man should get a medal (I picture some grunt covered in sand with a medal on his neck giving the thumbs up while the Commander in chief on down all clap and mutter, "How did we not think of that?")

[Gravy]

The lead picture is the gruesome photo, so it's probably NSFW.

Don't bother, its fake.

[craig87c]

Don't bother, its fake.

I know...that's exactly what the entire article is about. The fake image still isn't something you should have plastered all over your monitor in a professional situation, though.

[eyebright]

I fail to see the political timing of this event. We knew he was in Pakistan. Someone finally decided to try and kill him in Pakistan. That man should get a medal (I picture some grunt covered in sand with a medal on his neck giving the thumbs up while the Commander in chief on down all clap and mutter, "How did we not think of that?")

"Someone"? Um, I believe it was the Commander in Chief who had made the capture or death of Bin Laden one of his campaign promises and went about it doggedly and to a successful end, so maybe you want to give him some credit too. The Navy Seals and the C.I.A. were carrying out his orders, after all. Kudos to all involved in the operation - I'm just glad they finally got him, even though this won't end terrorism. It's symbolic though, and feels like justice has been done.

[the beav]

Somewhere in Pakistan there is a lonely goat.

[nole1]

Have any pictures of the body been seen? Who conducted the DNA tests?

They apparently ran tests on the body after the kill and compared them to DNA taken from his sister's brain (which they preserved after she was killed a couple years ago) to confirm.

[urr-lord]

In the American South there are jokes about many of our sayings.But here is one that rings true......."HE NEEDED KILLIN".

and I'll celebrate that accomplishment with absolutely no problem.:thumbup:.
Other than the fact i regret it was a headshot that took him out,should have been gutshot so he could suffer a bit.While looking at the Ops team standing around him.

Hopefully some grunt saved a bit of his blood or tissue and will carry it home and feed it to a hog.No heaven for this guy.

[DaveNJ74]

Its odd how he was reportedly living in a cave but yet was found in a heavily guarded compound guarded by 3 army regimens.
:blink:

[shavervinnie]

I guess the October surprise came a little early and Jimmy carter didnt get much sleep last night. My tinfoil hat might be on a little too tight but as a former NYPD officer who was there that day ( 1st Pct ) I think this came a little too late AND a little too convenient before an election where the President's poll numbers are a little bit too low to get reelected. Burial at Sea??? :001_huh:
Thats my one and only political rant, I earned that right. Thanks all.

Well put. The media is going to be whipping up a big batch of Obama Kool-Aid with this stuff. Hopefully, not too many sheeple will be drinking it. The world is still a very dangerous place. Nothing has changed. This president sure says "I" a lot. ***end of rant***

[Antique Hoosier]

Buried at sea??? No doubt as reported it would have been nearly impossible to find a spot 6 feet under on this planet to bury OBL. To keep it from becoming a shrine I totally understand... but to bend over backwards to respect Islamic "law"/traditions and to worry so much about how this animal's corpse was treated is a touch beyond the pale. We are not a country that drags bodies through the streets or parades a head on a stick, but OBL was treated with too MUCH respect IMO in this case. I guess there was no other way to do it.

[fine wine]

Wow,I wonder if there will be some kind of retaliation.


Paul

maybe, but he stilled needed to DIE!!!:thumbup:

[Slash McCoy]

Well, CBS is dragging it out .. says a great boost to US politicians, the coverage is banal at best, they keep showing pictures of Ol' Bin, then the Towers ..

Perhaps, it is an hour since the announcement went out, maybe Trump couldn't be located for a briefing? Or do the pols, like hockey players, have to pause for TV time .. some blather by the fourth estate & commercials?

Or, do it as so I'll type .. what do they do with the body?

oh, get his head back, or his hands!!

I think they should feed his putrid corpse through a wood chipper and tape it for Al Jazeera. Then dump the remains over an al queda camp from 30,000 feet so everybody down there gets it all over them.

[fine wine]

Glad they got him, but unfortunately there will be someone else to take his place.
I'm sure he will not have his ability to rally the nuts or the money to continue. Those people fight as much with each other as they do with the rest of the world. This is a good thing..................:thumbup:

[Beau Lochs]

Al-Qaeda needs to be defeated but I'm not sure that public celebrations of its leader's death are healthy images to be pumped into the homes of the Islamic world.

[Duckster]

Couldn't they have captured him alive? Imagine the information we could have gotten out of him.

[Izzy76]

Maybe that's why he is dead... Do you know a lot of mass murderers in front of a trial since the WW2? And that survived their trial?

Don't tell me about Ceucescu or Hussein or I will laugh...

[Prince]

At least now, 10 years later, we can finally move on.

[Gaz]

Thank goodness! :thumbup: This will not solve the terrorist problem but it will hopefully send a message that the USA doesn't have a statute of limitations on how long they will hunt for a POS.

I too don't understand why they did the quick burial at sea. Muslim tradition or not, let him rot.

Quite frankly, I would have had no problem if they chopped him up and mailed him to Yemen, Syria, Iran, Sudan, North Korea, etc. Postage due of course too.

[Crixus]

He may be dead, but he changed the world forever. More than the Soviets, more than the Nazis, more than the Crusaders, more than the Romans. And he was able to hang around for ten years and observe the fruits of his labor.

[Slash McCoy]

Buried at sea? I prefer to call it "dumped". If I were the watch officer of the ship where that took place, I would log it as <time date position> "approx 1 cubic yard of garbage discharged over the side".

[Izzy76]

He may be dead, but he changed the world forever. More than the Soviets, more than the Nazis, more than the Crusaders, more than the Romans.Can you explain?

[SliceOfLife]

Buried at sea??? No doubt as reported it would have been nearly impossible to find a spot 6 feet under on this planet to bury OBL. To keep it from becoming a shrine I totally understand... but to bend over backwards to respect Islamic "law"/traditions and to worry so much about how this animal's corpse was treated is a touch beyond the pale. We are not a country that drags bodies through the streets or parades a head on a stick, but OBL was treated with too MUCH respect IMO in this case. I guess there was no other way to do it.

My guess is the concern was that to do otherwise would be viewed by some still living as an act of disrespect to Islam rather than to Bin Laden. You have to wonder what motivation makes killing someone insufficient.

[California Cajun]

A trillion dollars of national debt, and $1 a gallon later, it still doesn't seem like the bastardo got what he deserved... :mad3:

[bulldognation]

it only cost $1,188,292,000,000 to kill him.
Are the wars over now?

+1000

[mkornecki]

+1000

Is Islamic Fundamentalism over now?

[noahpictures]

"someone"? Um, i believe it was the commander in chief who had made the capture or death of bin laden one of his campaign promises and went about it doggedly and to a successful end, so maybe you want to give him some credit too. The navy seals and the c.i.a. Were carrying out his orders, after all. Kudos to all involved in the operation - i'm just glad they finally got him, even though this won't end terrorism. It's symbolic though, and feels like justice has been done.

+1

[mandoman]

its about time 10 years after 9-11 better late then never

[Tricky]

To those who believe this may help draw out new attacks, I say bring it. Let's go ahead and figure out exactly who needs to go next. I am sick and tired of pussyfooting around. It would be far easier to destroy these miserable human beings if they would come out of their holes. To allow evil to exist by pretending it doesn't is the same as enabling it.

[Slash McCoy]

Just goes to show that while maybe sometimes it sucks to be a friend of the U.S., it REALLY sucks to be an enemy! (And it should!)

[raisindot]

Sorry, but any kind of belief that this killing was "timed" to have maximum election impact is complete nonsense.

The election is a year and a half away. If President Obama had felt he needed this action to boost his chances he would have done it in September 2012--probably on September 11.

You may disagree with his politics and his policies, but when he took office he said he would make the languishing 'find Osama' policy of the Bush administration a top priority. This he did, to the expenditure of a great deal of military and diplomatic capital. The Pakistanis were against U.S. military incursions into suspected terrorist enclaves and these actions earned Obama a great deal of emnity in the Muslim world. That he stuck to it, devoted the necessary resources, and did it without causing full-scale destruction of Pakistan is to his credit.

If John McCain had won the presidency and had accomplished the same objective, I would have given him the same kind of credit and praise, even though I totally disagree with his core beliefs.

[oc_in_fw]

Bloody good. About time the murdering ***** got his.

Regards, Todd

Ah, but when he was killing Soviets he was great in our book. Same with Saddam and Iranians. I will not mourn this man, but we have a history of creating these monsters.

[Woodrobin]

Buried at sea??? No doubt as reported it would have been nearly impossible to find a spot 6 feet under on this planet to bury OBL. To keep it from becoming a shrine I totally understand... but to bend over backwards to respect Islamic "law"/traditions and to worry so much about how this animal's corpse was treated is a touch beyond the pale. We are not a country that drags bodies through the streets or parades a head on a stick, but OBL was treated with too MUCH respect IMO in this case. I guess there was no other way to do it.

Here's the point that was being made, by respecting the funeral rites: we are not at war with Islam. We were not attacked by Islam. Osama bin Laden does not equate to, represent, nor exemplify Islam. Giving him Muslim burial rites separates the criminal and terrorist from the religion he happened to use as a tool to manipulate and recruit extremists. It sends a clear message that what we were doing was targeting a terrorist, not a religion.

It has nothing to do with respecting Osama bin Laden, and everything to do with debunking his beliefs and claims about us.

It's the polar opposite of what G. W,. Bush did when he called the efforts to find and punish the people who attacked us a "crusade." It's handling the situation with finesse, at no cost to us, in a way that does not give recruiting tools to our enemies.

[oc_in_fw]

It only cost $1,188,292,000,000 to kill him.
Are the wars over now?

No, our country is built on war. We must feed the beast.

[SliceOfLife]

"Someone"? Um, I believe it was the Commander in Chief who had made the capture or death of Bin Laden one of his campaign promises and went about it doggedly and to a successful end, so maybe you want to give him some credit too. The Navy Seals and the C.I.A. were carrying out his orders, after all. Kudos to all involved in the operation - I'm just glad they finally got him, even though this won't end terrorism. It's symbolic though, and feels like justice has been done.

I'm proud of myself whenever I'm able to get both parties to take exception to my opinions. I take it to mean that I'm being successfully centrist. Go me!


No, our country is built on war. We must feed the beast.


And what the hell does it mean to say our country is built on war? We have a massive military budget, but much of recent history has seen that budget being used to protect allies and perhaps even prevent war. Yes, in any country with such diverse opinions as you'll see here, there will be the hard to comprehend love of war in some voices, but giving those voices so much weight as to allow it to define us as a country is a mistake.

[jwcarlson]

"Someone"? Um, I believe it was the Commander in Chief who had made the capture or death of Bin Laden one of his campaign promises and went about it doggedly and to a successful end, so maybe you want to give him some credit too. The Navy Seals and the C.I.A. were carrying out his orders, after all. Kudos to all involved in the operation - I'm just glad they finally got him, even though this won't end terrorism. It's symbolic though, and feels like justice has been done.

Doggedly? That's laughable.
The men and women involved get ALL the credit. I give it a 90% chance he didn't even know about it until about five minutes after it was over.
He was really focused between weekends in Martha's Vineyard and Basketball sessions... "lazer like"... hahaha




It's the polar opposite of what G. W,. Bush did when he called the efforts to find and punish the people who attacked us a "crusade." It's handling the situation with finesse, at no cost to us, in a way that does not give recruiting tools to our enemies.



Yep, it's always America's fault, Woodrobin!


:angry:

If we didn't want recruiting tools we should have just not killed him to begin with, right? Pretend 9/11 didn't happen and keep operating like these people don't hate us because we exist.

[SliceOfLife]

Pointing out bad decisions doesn't mean he's saying it was America's fault. And yes, calling a war against an enemy that identifies with a religion that millions of people other than that enemy also identify with a "crusade" is perhaps one of the worst decisions in recent history.

[oc_in_fw]

I don't know if I should put this out there... :bored:

While I can totally understand the US's hatred for the man, actually witnessing people in a "civilised" country openly celebrating someone, anyones, death, it makes me vaguely uncomfortable.

as an American, it makes me uncomfortable, too.

[tvldatsi]

Do any of you folks being critical think that we don't understand that this is a more complicated issue than, boom we killed the bad guy?

We get it, there's infinite nuance in this situation. I grew up hating my government for the wars, but luckily I was smart enough to understand the gravity of our soldiers' willing sacrifice. The citizens of this country aren't responsible for any of this, even our elected officials at the highest level couldn't stop Bush's crusade. We are happy because as a people we feel like some measure of justice has finally come from all of this insanity.

Sure, it's probably more symbolic than tactical but I for one relish the opportunity to celebrate as a country instead of everyone trying to take a side and out-cry each other. It makes me sick to see American's so hateful towards their countrymen because they're either too meatheaded or faux intellectual to reconcile their differences

[oc_in_fw]

Just for a second, I wondered why they buried him at sea rather than in a plot of land. And yes, I heard their reasoning that a grave would be a shrine and cause pilgrimages, etc.

A land burial including a pig's head, would provide quite a good, target rich environment, or at least a confirmation of the pilgrims leanings. Take a picture, note names, license plates.

Harder to retrieve DNA evidence from a burial at sea.

[Nishnabotna]

There's a difference between justice and revenge. Take the high road.

[sleekandsmooth]

I honestly could care less about some piece of crap like him...Hope he is burning in hell

[Woodrobin]

He may be dead, but he changed the world forever. More than the Soviets, more than the Nazis, more than the Crusaders, more than the Romans. And he was able to hang around for ten years and observe the fruits of his labor.

WHAT??? :blink:

Soviets: Stalin killed over 40 million people. bin Laden, several thousand. The October Revolution sparked mass hysteria over supposed threats of communist overthrow in countries across the globe, leading to the Red Scare, McCarthyism, the Domino Theory that caused the U.S. to intervene in Korea and Vietnam, influenced the direction and amplified the development of military technology for 3/4 of a century, led to men landing on the Moon (the space race was fed by a desire for the U.S. to beat the Soviets in a competition, in essence). Anti-communist propaganda even enabled the rise of the . . .

Nazis: Killed over 9 million people, the second worst genocide in recorded history. Started a world war that led to the development of atomic weaponry by the United States, and let us not forget that many of the scientists involved, including Einstein, were expatriates from fascist countries. No Nazis, and the minds that developed atomic weapons would have mostly resided in Europe. That might have changed the landscape a bit. The Nazis were also indirectly responsible for the creation of the nation of Israel, which reshaped and drove Middle Eastern politics, and continues to today.

The Crusaders: By opening trade routes between Europe and the Middle East and China, they imported medical, mathematical, technological, artistic, theological, philosophical, and scientific knowledge, paving the way for the Renaissance, the age of Enlightenment, and the birth of modern democracies. Not that they intended to, but they restored European knowledge to a level not seen since the fall of . . .

The Romans: Introduced the concepts of citizenship, nationality, democratic representation and bathing to much of Europe, for a start. Created technological innovations, some of which still exist today. Introduced the concept of infrastructure as a function of government (roads, schools, irrigation aquifers, etc.). Laid the foundation for the law codes of the United States and every European country. I could go on and on, but I believe the point is fairly clear.

This is the point: Osama bin Laden didn't change anything. We had terrorist attacks on U.S. soil before him. Remember Timothy McVeigh? How about the Olympic Park bombing and related attacks by the Army of God in Georgia? His attacks killed thousands instead of hundreds, true, but he wasn't unique. He wasn't special. He was just another self-aggrandising murderer who ran a long way on his daddy's trust fund money, but in the end could no longer hide.

[Tak]

1) bin Laden
2) Waldo
3) Carmen Sandiego



Holy crap, I died laughing here. Stolen and shared, the world must see this!:lol::lol:

[RyanR]

Some of you are pretty sad. Obama did in 2 years what our last POTUS couldn't do in 7 years and you can't even give him an attaboy? I guess politics and/or hatred is that strong. :thumbdown

[Bruce Wayne]

.......

[mkornecki]

Some of you are pretty sad. Obama did in 2 years what our last POTUS couldn't do in 7 years and you can't even give him an attaboy? I guess politics and/or hatred is that strong. :thumbdown

Oh, and Obama's success had NOTHING to do with GB's 7 year efforts, right?

Give me a break.

[jwcarlson]

Some of you are pretty sad. Obama did in 2 years what our last POTUS couldn't do in 7 years and you can't even give him an attaboy? I guess politics and/or hatred is that strong. :thumbdown

What did Obama actually DO? Just like George Bush didn't raise oil prices... Obama didn't kill Osama.

The men and women in the armed and clandestine services get ALL the credit. ALLLLLLL of it. He's got about as much to do with it as the damn Queen of England does. If Bush were in office I'd feel the same way. All Obama has done is continue Bush policies and apparently get some info from the Gitmo detainees he promised not to torture.

[noahpictures]

Some of you are pretty sad. Obama did in 2 years what our last POTUS couldn't do in 7 years and you can't even give him an attaboy? I guess politics and/or hatred is that strong. :thumbdown


+1

The next thing they'll do is ask Obama for his papers, oh wait...

From the movie, "Old School": That's what old people do, they die.

Hopefully they'll take their hatred with them.

[RyanR]

Oh, and Obama's success had NOTHING to do with GB's 7 year efforts, right?

Give me a break.

It's hard to tell. What information do you have that it did? If it happened a few months after Obama took office, then I would say you have a point. But over 2 years later? I'm not so sure.

The Bush Administration kept saying he was on the border in the mountains. That's not where they found him.

It's not about not giving Bush credit. Obama did in his speach, which I thought was pretty classy and something he did not have to do. It's about being above politics one day and give him a pat on the back for a second. We did this as a country after 9-11. Most of the country backed Bush despite party affiliation until the Iraq War. Seems some on the Right can't even do it for 24 hours. I think he could solve all of the worlds problems, and some of you would still find something not to like and nitpick at.

[craig87c]

Can we keep politics out of B&B? I get enough of this hatred and vitriol outside here.

[RickfromLafayette]

According to recent information, Osama bin Laden was killed by the use of information that was obtained by “enhanced interrogation techniques” at Guntanamo Bay Prison. “Enhanced interrogation techniques” can be assumed to be waterboarding. This information is such a strong rebuke against people who want to close Gitmo that it is eye-watering.

With no sense of sarcasm, many on the left called for both closing Guantanamo Bay Prison, and an end to the use of waterboarding. Osama bin Laden was caught and killed through the usage of both things. Apparently, al Qaeda terrorists were waterboarded at Guantanamo Bay, and they confessed to the CIA the identity of Osama bin Laden’s messenger. From there, the CIA began to track bin Laden’s messenger in Pakistan. The CIA tracked the messenger to Osama bin Laden’s compound, and sent in the Navy Seals to kill him. The Seals, possibly the most elite warriors on the planet, went in with guns blazing and took bin Laden out.

Sadly, the left in America was so naive in its thinking, that the closing of Gitmo and possible end of waterboarding were two of the things that got Obama elected. His promises to do so were undoubtedly things that contributed to him winning his Nobel Peace Prize.

[ouch]

According to recent information, Osama bin Laden was killed by the use of information that was obtained by “enhanced interrogation techniques” at Guntanamo Bay Prison. “Enhanced interrogation techniques” can be assumed to be waterboarding.

Wait. Let's not jump to conclusions here. Perhaps they were forced to watch speeches by Hillary Clinton.

Never mind. That would be torture under anybody's definition.

[RyanR]

What did Obama actually DO? Just like George Bush didn't raise oil prices... Obama didn't kill Osama.

The men and women in the armed and clandestine services get ALL the credit. ALLLLLLL of it. He's got about as much to do with it as the damn Queen of England does. If Bush were in office I'd feel the same way. All Obama has done is continue Bush policies and apparently get some info from the Gitmo detainees he promised not to torture.

IMHO, the order of credit goes to the troops who physically went in, the Intelligence, and then the POTUS.

The troops didn't just find him in a hole in the ground. There was a lot more involved with Obama. The Queen of England is a figure head and the POTUS is the Commander in Chief. Big difference between the two. I would give credit to whoever the POTUS happened to be.

The POTUS made this a priority and it paid off. He was the one who had to make the decision to do it. He of course isn't laying it on the line like the Seals who went in, but politically it could have been a disaster if things went wrong. If things went terribly wrong, you guys would be bashing him for being a terrible Commander in Chief.

[ouch]

Why can't we just say congrats to all involved in the operation?

Let's keep this on track, guys.

[jwcarlson]

The POTUS made this a priority and it paid off. He was the one who had to make the decision to do it. He of course isn't laying it on the line like the Seals who went in, but politically it could have been a disaster if things went wrong. If things went terribly wrong, you guys would be bashing him for being a terrible Commander in Chief.


Oh dear, a political disaster!?!?! Say it ain't so. You're right... what a hero he is! If things went wrong I'd be mourning the loss of heros... not worried about how terrible Obama has already proven himself to be...

I'm glad Osama is dead and that's the bottomline.

[Baloosh]

... but politically it could have been a disaster if things went wrong. If things went terribly wrong, you guys would be bashing him for being a terrible Commander in Chief.

If things had gone wrong, none of us would ever have heard anything about it. Just like the countless times before when we've tried to kill him and didn't succeed. Today would be just another Monday.

[mkornecki]

It's hard to tell. What information do you have that it did?

Oh the old "prove it" cliche'd response, regarding classified intelligence... *yawn*.


If it happened a few months after Obama took office, then I would say you have a point. But over 2 years later? I'm not so sure.

Well I am, and so is anyone else who considers the vast amount of resources we have put into this type of operation over the past 10 years.



The Bush Administration kept saying he was on the border in the mountains. That's not where they found him.

Yes he could have moved..., but logisitical intelligence would still have top value.

This statement clearly illustrates that your intention is to blast Bush and pretend that there is some vast right wing attack on Obama regarding this operation, which there isn't.


problems, and some of you would still find something not to like and nitpick at.

A simple tally of this thread shows that your imagined Obama bashing is the TINY minority. Smooth those hackles back down.

[jwcarlson]

If things had gone wrong, none of us would ever have heard anything about it. Just like the countless times before when we've tried to kill him and didn't succeed. Today would be just another Monday.

I was going to say almost the exact same thing but I didn't want to sound too conspiratorial. It actually kind of irks me that we didn't drop bombs until the house was gone then send in some folks. Part of me is very happy that one of our soldiers actually got to "pull the trigger"... but with the technology we have now why not just a surgical strike?

I'm sure there's 1000 variables but it seems we're constantly having chopper issues as well.

[nole1]

...It actually kind of irks me that we didn't drop bombs until the house was gone then send in some folks. Part of me is very happy that one of our soldiers actually got to "pull the trigger"... but with the technology we have now why not just a surgical strike?


If we just brought the place down to rubble, then we wouldn't be able to say we killed him and proved it was really bin Laden. All we could say was, "The compound he had most recently occupied, to the best of our knowledge, is now a crater. Our best guess is he is dead." It sounds a lot better to say, "Our Navy SEALS team went in, exchanged fire, put a bullet in his head, and got the hell out of Dodge!"

[Kevan]

Well put. The media is going to be whipping up a big batch of Obama Kool-Aid with this stuff. Hopefully, not too many sheeple will be drinking it. The world is still a very dangerous place. Nothing has changed. This president sure says "I" a lot. ***end of rant***
Why shouldn't he? It was Obama that has authorized further CIA incursions into Pakistan and authorized more drone attacks since he took office. Obama during his campaign who said he'd bring the focus BACK to Afghanistan from the folly that was Iraq. And at the end of the day, Obama is the Commander -in-Chief, who authorized this operation that fulfilled the original aim of the mission. I see nothing wrong with his speech. It was factual. He gave credit to the soldiers who carried out the mission and said he authorized it. What's the problem?

[jwcarlson]

If we just brought the place down to rubble, then we wouldn't be able to say we killed him and proved it was really bin Laden. All we could say was, "The compound he had most recently occupied, to the best of our knowledge, is now a crater. Our best guess is he is dead." It sounds a lot better to say, "Our Navy SEALS team went in, exchanged fire, put a bullet in his head, and got the hell out of Dodge!"


http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/05/president-obama-had-authorized-bombing-of-compound-in-march-but-wanting-evidence-of-obls-death-cance.html

We couldn't have found some scalp to run a DNA test on. I don't buy that for a second.

Does it matter more that he's dead or that he's dead and we can prove it happened under Obama. I still say bomb it and sift through the rubble. No additional American deaths possible that way.









And still, the unheard part of this story so far is that we operated in a sovereign country without their knowledge. I don't disagree with what we did but what would the headlines look like if Bush were in office when we did this? Just a thought!

[RyanR]

To the detractors we will just have to agree to disagree. Obviously, we will never agree and there is no longer a need to carry this on. It will only lead to something being said that shouldn't be said and I don't care to do that or read it.

This is my last post in this thread and will go back to the shaving part of the forum which I enjoy. The reason I belong to this forum. I am going to try straights and have a lot of reading to do.

Cheers.

[Kevan]

And still, the unheard part of this story so far is that we operated in a sovereign country without their knowledge. I don't disagree with what we did but what would the headlines look like if Bush were in office when we did this? Just a thought!
We've done it before under Bush. Remember Abu Zubayda? He was caught in Pakistan by the CIA.

[Mako72]

Guys lets just be glad he is dead. According to the news the intel came like this...

2003-CIA intel about Osama in Pak
2007-CIA Intel from Gitmo concerning OBL courier
2009-CIA tracks OBL courier to region of Pak
2010-Intel narrows down to the compound
2011-Order given on friday to strike

So yes, both presidents played a hand and both should be given congrats.

Jay

[jwcarlson]

We've done it before under Bush. Remember Abu Zubayda? He was caught in Pakistan by the CIA.


Whoever was responsible for finding Abu Zubaydah, on March 28, 2002, CIA and FBI agents, in conjunction with Pakistani intelligence services, raided several safe houses in Pakistan searching for him. Abu Zubaydah was apprehended from one of the targeted safe houses in Faisalabad, Pakistan. During his apprehension he was shot in the thigh, the testicle, and the stomach with rounds from an AK-47 assault rifle. He was not recognised at first, and simply thrown into a pick-up truck along with other prisoners by the Pakistani forces, until a senior FBI agent identified him as Abu Zubaydah.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Zubaydah#Capture


So, yeah, exactly like this operation with the exception of almost everything. :001_rolle

[slap1914]

“There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again . . . If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act, we will.” - Sen Barack Obama August 1, 2007

A lot of people are revisiting this speech today.

[Cerealx59]

Guys lets just be glad he is dead. According to the news the intel came like this...

2003-CIA intel about Osama in Pak
2007-CIA Intel from Gitmo concerning OBL courier
2009-CIA tracks OBL courier to region of Pak
2010-Intel narrows down to the compound
2011-Order given on friday to strike

So yes, both presidents played a hand and both should be given congrats.

Jay


Well Said. :thumbup:

[Kevan]

Okay, so we worked with the Pakistanis with Abu Zubayda's capture. We didn't this time. You said you were glad OBL is dead, but exactly WHY is this a problem? Look, I'm a liberal. You and I probably wouldn't agree that the sky is blue. But the Pakistani intelligence services are not like the Jordanians. We can't trust them....not with something like this. And not after missing the guy so many times before when we trusted local informants. And if Obama had let the Pakistanis in, you guys would be calling him weak for not entrusting the job to American soldiers alone. And we've been having operations in Pakistan for years, as well as other countries without "official" knowledge. CIA black ops does it all the time.

The President thanked Bush, he gave all credit to the soldiers who carried out the mission. He said clearly that the war isn't over. He merely said "I" when talking about acting on the intel, which is his job.

[jwcarlson]

Okay, so we worked with the Pakistanis with Abu Zubayda's capture. We didn't this time. You said you were glad OBL is dead, but exactly WHY is this a problem? Look, I'm a liberal. You and I probably wouldn't agree that the sky is blue. But the Pakistani intelligence services are not like the Jordanians. We can't trust them....not with something like this. And not after missing the guy so many times before when we trusted local informants. And if Obama had let the Pakistanis in, you guys would be calling him weak for not entrusting the job to American soldiers alone. And we've been having operations in Pakistan for years, as well as other countries without "official" knowledge. CIA black ops does it all the time.

The President thanked Bush, he gave all credit to the soldiers who carried out the mission. He said clearly that the war isn't over. He merely said "I" when talking about acting on the intel, which is his job.

Lets say a Canadian mastermined/financed a terrorist attack on Germany... and he were hiding in the US without our knowledge. If Germany operated a special forces raid with helocopters and gunfire in a suburb of Chicago without our knowledge/cooperation you wouldn't think that's basically an act of war?

I understand we aren't Pakistan... but isn't this very "Cowboy"... to quote every liberal on earth re: George W. Bush acting this way?





And he said I, Me, or My about 30 times by my count. The speech wasn't bad, per say, but wasn't as humble as I'd like to hear I guess. There was a lot of subvert "chest thumping" (just like the Samali Pirate sniper kills)... you'd have thought he was the one with an MP5 rushing the compound. "I" assembled a team... "I" told Pineta to make this a priority... The team was already in place the the priority was already set. He just didn't disassemble the team or tell Pineta it wasn't a priority.

In words you might understand... he didn't "create" these teams or priorities... he merely "saved" them. :)

[azmark]

I disagree in just about every fundamental decision the President has done, recommended, or plans. But still he's my President, and I won't throw this action in the gutter as some others would have done to George W. Bush. The President succeeded with the help of predecessor and their intelligence and the current administration.

It was an American success and the jubilation on the streets has brought back the spirit that has been missing from this country for a while. The joy and celebration will be overshadowed when we remember why the action was needed to be done and that is when reflection will set in. Maybe a candlelight vigil will enrage the enemy far more than celebrating because it will remind them we have never forgotten and the battle moves on to the next person on the list.

[raisindot]

Okay, so we worked with the Pakistanis with Abu Zubayda's capture. We didn't this time. You said you were glad OBL is dead, but exactly WHY is this a problem? Look, I'm a liberal. You and I probably wouldn't agree that the sky is blue. But the Pakistani intelligence services are not like the Jordanians. We can't trust them....not with something like this. And not after missing the guy so many times before when we trusted local informants. And if Obama had let the Pakistanis in, you guys would be calling him weak for not entrusting the job to American soldiers alone. And we've been having operations in Pakistan for years, as well as other countries without "official" knowledge. CIA black ops does it all the time.

The President thanked Bush, he gave all credit to the soldiers who carried out the mission. He said clearly that the war isn't over. He merely said "I" when talking about acting on the intel, which is his job.

+1000. Many Pakistanis were either collaborating with Al Queda or refusing to cooperate with the U.S. on efforts to go after them. This had to be a completely U.S. operation or, chances are, Pakistanis AQ sympathizers would have given BL heads up about the raid and we would have lost him--again.

This is probably the best use of military and CIA intelligence resources in the past decade, but it never would have happened if President Obama hadn't made finding BL a top priority.

[Greyfox]

:thumbup: Thank God for US Special Forces.

[jwcarlson]

I disagree in just about every fundamental decision the President has done, recommended, or plans. But still he's my President, and I won't throw this action in the gutter as some others would have done to George W. Bush. The President succeeded with the help of predecessor and their intelligence and the current administration.


Agreed.
I don't mean to minimize the accomplishment or anything like that. There was just way to much "Obama" and not quite enough of the people who actually make this possible.


This is probably the best use of military and CIA intelligence resources in the past decade, but it never would have happened if President Obama hadn't made finding BL a top priority.

THIS is what I disagree with. Complete politicizing of the whole event. Obama's lip service to making Osama a "top priority" is about as genuine and important to the operation as his "lazer like focus" on jobs.

[SliceOfLife]

99% of this thread can be summed up as such:

"Bin Laden is dead. I'm a republican."
"Bin Laden is dead. I'm a democrat."

At some point people need to heed Proverbs 17:28

[Kevan]

And he said I, Me, or My about 30 times by my count. The speech wasn't bad, per say, but wasn't as humble as I'd like to hear I guess. There was a lot of subvert "chest thumping" (just like the Samali Pirate sniper kills)... you'd have thought he was the one with an MP5 rushing the compound. "I" assembled a team... "I" told Pineta to make this a priority... The team was already in place the the priority was already set. He just didn't disassemble the team or tell Pineta it wasn't a priority.

In words you might understand... he didn't "create" these teams or priorities... he merely "saved" them. :)
That's cartoonish. No one with common sense thinks it happened like that. Again, he said "I" when talking about acting on the intelligence in his position as CIC. His job. What would you have him do? This mission couldn't have happened without his go-ahead. The target was HUGE. Even if this was Bush, I would be elated. I wouldn't be nitpicking.

As to your earlier point, I agree to some extent. But anyone who knows diplomatic relations knows that something like this will blow over, mostly because of who the target was. It goes against my ideological leanings to go in like this, but sometimes you have to do it. I commend the President for making this a priority.

[jwcarlson]

As to your earlier point, I agree to some extent. But anyone who knows diplomatic relations knows that something like this will blow over, mostly because of who the target was.



So does international law not apply?

People were asking to have Bush impeached over similar actions were they not?

I'm 100% behind the operation. But where's the parity? Like always on the left... there is none.


That's it on the subject, I'm just glad this portion of the whole deal is at rest so to speak... I hope this somehow turns the tide. I'm doubtful but there's always a hope! :thumbup:

[azmark]

99% of this thread can be summed up as such:

"Bin Laden is dead. I'm a republican."
"Bin Laden is dead. I'm a democrat."

At some point people need to heed Proverbs 17:28

:lol:

I'm in the "Bin Laden is dead. I need another razor" camp.

[bassmanlarry]

99% of this thread can be summed up as such:

"Bin Laden is dead. I'm a republican."
"Bin Laden is dead. I'm a democrat."

At some point people need to heed Proverbs 17:28

Pretty much sums it up.:lol:

[p.m.a.]

THIS is what I disagree with. Complete politicizing of the whole event.

How ironic, eh?

[Mako72]

:lol:

I'm in the "bin laden is dead. I need another razor" camp.

+1

[jesta384]

I had the day off on 9/11. Was a down day for teachers at my high school. I woke up on a beautiful sunny New England fall afternoon. My mother called to tell me. When I woke up ( i had slept in) The towers were already fallen. I was just a Junior in HS/

I woke up today, again, hours after the announcement. A buddy of mine woke me up for work and told me. Then I walked out into the Afghanistan sun, shaved with my Merkur and Col Conk, put on my uniform and went to work toting my armor and M16.
He's dead, but I'm still here. We will still be here untill the ideals he embodied are dead too.

[jwcarlson]

I had the day off on 9/11. Was a down day for teachers at my high school. I woke up on a beautiful sunny New England fall afternoon. My mother called to tell me. When I woke up ( i had slept in) The towers were already fallen. I was just a Junior in HS/

I woke up today, again, hours after the announcement. A buddy of mine woke me up for work and told me. Then I walked out into the Afghanistan sun, shaved with my Merkur and Col Conk, put on my uniform and went to work toting my armor and M16.
He's dead, but I'm still here. We will still be here untill the ideals he embodied are dead too.

God Bless you and thank you!!! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

[Austin]

Thank you for your service jesta. Stay safe and keep your eyes open.



Gents, no personal attacks. No conspiracy theories. No political debates please. Lets keep this thread clean and gentlemanly or else this thread is closed. Thank you.

[bamafan64]

Fitting end. If he wasn't already known as one of the earth's worst scumbags, he dies like a coward hiding behind one of his wives. Remember that when you see certain areas of the world venerating him as a hero.

[maxman]

He's dead, but I'm still here. We will still be here untill the ideals he embodied are dead too.

I'm not an emotional person, but this statement affected me.
Thank you for your service. :thumbup1:

[azmark]

Country music to explain..........http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9PwWkV4HQ4

[Tricky]

I had the day off on 9/11. Was a down day for teachers at my high school. I woke up on a beautiful sunny New England fall afternoon. My mother called to tell me. When I woke up ( i had slept in) The towers were already fallen. I was just a Junior in HS/

I woke up today, again, hours after the announcement. A buddy of mine woke me up for work and told me. Then I walked out into the Afghanistan sun, shaved with my Merkur and Col Conk, put on my uniform and went to work toting my armor and M16.
He's dead, but I'm still here. We will still be here untill the ideals he embodied are dead too.

Stay safe sir! I know you will account for all of us over here who can't. Thank you so much for being strong in your convictions, knowing we must stay till those like him are gone. Thank you, sincerely.

[azmark]

I had the day off on 9/11. Was a down day for teachers at my high school. I woke up on a beautiful sunny New England fall afternoon. My mother called to tell me. When I woke up ( i had slept in) The towers were already fallen. I was just a Junior in HS/

I woke up today, again, hours after the announcement. A buddy of mine woke me up for work and told me. Then I walked out into the Afghanistan sun, shaved with my Merkur and Col Conk, put on my uniform and went to work toting my armor and M16.
He's dead, but I'm still here. We will still be here untill the ideals he embodied are dead too.

God Speed good sir. Thank you for your bravery and service.

[DolimiteB]

I hope bin Laden's hypocrisy (living in a posh compound with one of his wives while his followers lived lives of hardship on the battlefield) is broadcast far and wide in the Middle East.

[knlgskr]

Wherever, however, by whomever/whatever, there is one less of his ilk. Terrorism to me is abominable; period. Paraphrasing Moms Mabley "he's dead and that's all I can, will, am gonna say about him"; perhaps the less, the better.

[rm71]

Wait. Let's not jump to conclusions here. Perhaps they were forced to watch speeches by Hillary Clinton.

Never mind. That would be torture under anybody's definition.

More than likely they showed them gridion games:lol:

[Slowhand]

+1

The next thing they'll do is ask Obama for his papers, oh wait...

From the movie, "Old School": That's what old people do, they die.

Hopefully they'll take their hatred with them.
Wow dude. You should be embarrassed for yourself.

[Woodrobin]

Yep, it's always America's fault, Woodrobin!


:angry:


Firstly, I don't find it very gentlemanly to presume to put words in my mouth. I am more than capable of saying exactly what I mean to say. So, :angry: right back atcha. :001_rolle

Secondly, while you certainly seem to think that criticising George W. Bush equals criticising America, let me clarify for you: criticising the performance of the President I don't like is just as American as criticising the performance of the President you don't like. which you certainly aren't shy about doing. So :angry: right back atcha, the sequel: :angry: Harder. :laugh:

Thirdly, Bush literally set the record for time a President spent on vacation, and as for laser-like focus on capturing or killing Osama bin Laden:


"We're going to get [Bin Laden] Dead or alive, it doesn't matter to me." 12/14/2001

"And, again, I don't know where he [Osama Bin Laden] is. I — I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him." 03/13/2002

So, yeah, about six months of laser before his batteries ran out there. I'm thankful that the rank and file military and intelligence communities didn't share his expressed lack of concern. Otherwise I'd hate to think how cold the trail would have been by the time a President with a long enough attention span to bag and tag the :cursing: took office.

I'm all for respecting what this country is, and what it can be, especially when we live up to our highest ideals. That doesn't mean I'm going to let someone wrap themselves in the flag and take a big $#!^ on my vanilla ice cream, and then believe them when they tell me it's hot fudge topping.

[luvmysuper]

Ok, hows this then;

Next guy that brings up a political party, or political parties motivation, or anything along that line can take the hit as the last post before this thread dies.

[gull]

To lighten the mood:

http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/memes-untitled1.jpg

[instpasr]

Top alluded to it, Jesta did too, Osama Bin Laden is dead but those of us in uniform still have a job to do and many of us are happy he's gone.
I just want to get a good nights sleep without a bad dream, I know my wife would appreciate it. Maybe now that they're is one less monster in the world I can do it.

[bassmanlarry]

Ok, hows this then;

Next guy that brings up a political party, or political parties motivation, or anything along that line can take the hit as the last post before this thread dies.

Thank you.

[dpmtherrien]

If more of these no good bastards come out of their holes we'll just deal with them too. :thumbup1:

[Not A Nice Person]

Well, since it ISN'T political and hasn't been said yet, let me just comment that I'm thrilled they dumped the rat bastige's body overboard at sea.

I'm on the Gulf Coast. Every time I go to the beach this summer, I'll get to pee on his grave. :thumbup1:

NANP™

[Intrigued]

Well, since it ISN'T political and hasn't been said yet, let me just comment that I'm thrilled they dumped the rat bastige's body overboard at sea.

I'm on the Gulf Coast. Every time I go to the beach this summer, I'll get to pee on his grave. :thumbup1:

NANP™

Thank you for your service. :001_smile

[Seraphim]

I hope bin Laden's hypocrisy (living in a posh compound with one of his wives while his followers lived lives of hardship on the battlefield) is broadcast far and wide in the Middle East.

I've heard rumors that Bin Ladin even had a soccer field right there in his compound.

[Doghouse]

42 seconds in, to the right of the white spray bottle and in front of the blue box, is that a shaving brush? http://mashable.com/2011/05/02/osama-bin-laden-compound-video/

[_JP_]

I don't know if I should put this out there... :bored:

While I can totally understand the US's hatred for the man, actually witnessing people in a "civilised" country openly celebrating someone, anyones, death, it makes me vaguely uncomfortable.

Many in the middle east celebrated the fall of The World Trade Center.

[sharky007]

....god bless america and all our veterans

[babafats]

Many in the middle east celebrated the fall of The World Trade Center.

That does not make it right.

"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."

[rm71]

That does not make it right.

"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." Martin Luther King, Jr.

Well said ( I'm NO FAN of OBL).

[Legion]

That does not make it right.

"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." Martin Luther King, Jr.

+1 Exactly.

[RF1963]

That does not make it right.

"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." Martin Luther King, Jr.

Well said

[Kenno]

To somehow imply that Americans are haters is not fair! If anything Americans are the most loving people in the world. There is no greater love than to lay down your life for others and Americans have done that more than any other nation! God bless America!

When people around the world where dancing in the streets with joy when WW1 and WW2 were over would anyone tell them not to rejoice? I don't really like judging my fellow human but osama bin laden wasn't the most loving of humans and as I see it there is nothing wrong in feeling happy and relieved someone like that is gone, however I don't believe in capital punishment. Ever lived in a family where the husband is constantly bashing his wife, let me tell you there is a great relief when the agressor is gone, even a feeling of happiness, however when you reflect you are sad that someone would live their life like this. You wish they could have lived a better life, but one is still happy/relieved even with anger that they did this to someone and the bad stuff is gone!

I am a christian, osama I fell sorry for, but I rejoice that his evil doings/ways have passed and may God have mercy on his soul! People maybe rejoiced that they felt a little safer and the evil doers felt like maybe justice will catch up with them sooner than they think!

Love will alway win over evil/hate, light over darkness, isn't that what was done here? The great Martin Luther did it without weapons, could we have stopped osama/al-Qaida without them? Unfortunately evil has entered the world from way back and I will always rejoice when it's gone by whoever and wherever!

God bless America and the world!

[ouch]

I had the day off on 9/11. Was a down day for teachers at my high school. I woke up on a beautiful sunny New England fall afternoon. My mother called to tell me. When I woke up ( i had slept in) The towers were already fallen. I was just a Junior in HS/

I woke up today, again, hours after the announcement. A buddy of mine woke me up for work and told me. Then I walked out into the Afghanistan sun, shaved with my Merkur and Col Conk, put on my uniform and went to work toting my armor and M16.
He's dead, but I'm still here. We will still be here untill the ideals he embodied are dead too.

To paraphrase Dennis miller, every day I give thanks to the strong and brave men protecting me from morons.

Thank you for your contribution. :thumbup1:


Ok, hows this then;

Next guy that brings up a political party, or political parties motivation, or anything along that line can take the hit as the last post before this thread dies.

You'll have to arm wrestle me for the right to push that button. At this point in my life, you'll probably snap my arm like a twig, so I really hope everyone cooperates. :lol:

[craig87c]

42 seconds in, to the right of the white spray bottle and in front of the blue box, is that a shaving brush? http://mashable.com/2011/05/02/osama-bin-laden-compound-video/

Now THIS is what we should be focused on! I can't tell what it is.


That does not make it right.

"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." Martin Luther King, Jr.

I hate to be this guy, but I just saw this a few minutes ago:

http://gawker.com/#!5797972/is-that-bin-laden+appropriate-martin-luther-king-jr-quote-a-fake


Ok, hows this then;

Next guy that brings up a political party, or political parties motivation, or anything along that line can take the hit as the last post before this thread dies.


You'll have to arm wrestle me for the right to push that button. At this point in my life, you'll probably snap my arm like a twig, so I really hope everyone cooperates. :lol:

So....if I mention a political party, we get to see ouch and luvmysuper arm wrestle? This is tempting beyond all belief...:w00t:

[babafats]

I hate to be this guy, but I just saw this a few minutes ago:

http://gawker.com/#!5797972/is-that-bin-laden+appropriate-martin-luther-king-jr-quote-a-fake

No worries about being 'that guy.' Whatever its source, it is apt.

[craig87c]

No worries about being 'that guy.' Whatever its source, it is apt.

Yeah, I didn't want anyone to think I was being a normal internet jerk calling out someone's sources; I had just seen the story an hour before and thought it was interesting. It's still an inspiring quote, but now I wonder who actually said it.

[Mr. Scruffy]

I, for one, am glad that son of a bitch is dead and if I could walk on water I would dance on his grave.

[Hex]

I wonder if the Seal team knew who they were after.

If they knew, can you imagine what would have been going through their minds as they mounted up ?

WOW !!

[raisindot]

"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." Martin Luther King, Jr.

I admire Dr. King's philosophy, but I was very happy when King's killer, James Earl Ray, died in prison in 1998. Millions of people celebrated with joy when they found out that Hitler had killed himself, especially those who had lost friends and family members in the Holocaust, and, nearly 20 years later, there was great rejoicing among Holocaust survivors when Eichmann was captured and executed, although this was of course mixed with sorrow. I was very happy when Saddam Hussein finally did the rope fandango, and I'm sure million of Iraqis were as well. And I will be equally happy and celebratory when Ghadifi meets his destiny with a well-timed missile.

I don't think there's anything wrong with celebrating the death of dictators, murderers, and terrorists, as long as one also remembers the pain still suffered by the victims of their evil acts.

[ouch]

No worries about being 'that guy.' Whatever its source, it is apt.

And Mark Twain never said "I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure."


I believe it was Clarence Darrow.

[Hayden]

I, for one, am glad that son of a bitch is dead and if I could walk on water I would dance on his grave.

Have to say I feel this exact way.

[Crixus]

And Mark Twain never said "I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure."
Right. As Yogi Berra tells us, "I never said some of the things I said." :001_smile

[Spivey]

99% of this thread can be summed up as such:

"Bin Laden is dead. I'm a *filtered political party*."
"Bin Laden is dead. I'm a *filtered political party*."

At some point people need to heed Proverbs 17:28

:lol:

Also:

Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor. 1 Peter 2:16-17

[Mr_Amazing]

As for Bin Laden, I am glad. Not so much that he is dead, but that his absence deals a blow to the organizational abilities of Al Qaeda. It doesn't mark the end of any war on terror, but is merely a moral victory for many people. It rids the world of someone whose aim was to cause unjust death. In that sense, the world is a better place because of his absence. I don't care if he burns in hell or is sitting on a cloud with a bunch of virgins, he isn't a danger to those who are alive.

Moving forward, I think the intelligence gathered should help in weeding out some of these other officials and it puts a target on the back of Al-Zawahiri. If there is a swift movement of eradicating top Al Qaeda officials, there is a strong possibility of breaking the organization up and making it easier for local governments to deal with on local levels.

[Spivey]

Rape, murder, and slavery are all fair game according to it.

Inflammatory statements without examples. Any document can be made, out of context, to say anything at all. Within context, your assertions become difficult to validate.

To be fair, I was simply suggesting that, regardless of party, we should respect all, especially those in postitions of power. I did not intend my post as an attack on anyone.

[SalvadorMontenegro]

For those of you enjoying the quote by "Martin Luther King Jr.":

http://www.salon.com/entertainment/tv/feature/2011/05/03/fake_mlj_quote_osama_death/index.html

[miamimoe]

The reactions to the death of OBL have been most interesting to read. My take is not one of happiness, or joy as I think of all of the harm that he and his organization have caused. I am quietly satisfied that some small measure of justice was done.

I do salute our brave Seals that went into such a hostile environment and did their jobs well. These courageous men will never be publicly lauded for their actions, but I am grateful to them and all of our men and women in uniform that put their lives on the line to protect us.

[captp]

I do salute our brave Seals that went into such a hostile environment and did their jobs well.These courageous men will never be publicly lauded for their actions, but I am grateful to them and all of our men and women in uniform that put their lives on the line to protect us.

And I can only pray that they never are. That would put a target on their backs for terrorists to retaliate.

[Mr_Amazing]

Inflammatory statements without examples. Any document can be made, out of context, to say anything at all. Within context, your assertions become difficult to validate.

To be fair, I was simply suggesting that, regardless of party, we should respect all, especially those in postitions of power. I did not intend my post as an attack on anyone.

My main intent wasn't to attack anybody and if it came across as such, I apologize. It is more that people should respect each other for no reason at all, rather than political or religious reasons. My statements regarding the Bible were opinionated and we can agree to disagree. History has shown us that religion and politics are a powder keg. They always will be. For the majority of people who want very little to do with either, we are grateful that Osama Bin Laden is no longer capable of causing harm to others.

[azmark]

See Phil's warning post #217. "Anything" is broad and it covers religion as well as politics. Knock it off guys.