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xillion
04-13-2011, 04:25 PM
Just received the new Edwin Jagger DE89BA11 Barley Chrome plated. The quality of the plating is superb.
The handle is a bit heavier (47 grams) than the DE89L (44 grams). The knurling is very fine, to me it feels like a
fatter ball end Old Type. Overall the razor is nicely balanced and feels great in the hand. I will give it a go tomorrow.

http://www.christophermendoza.com/razors/barley1.jpg

Weight comparison from left: Mühle R89/R41 handle, EJDEA89L handle, DE89BA11 handle, DE89BA11 complete.
http://www.christophermendoza.com/razors/barley2.jpg

bakerbarber
04-13-2011, 04:31 PM
:thumbup:

I'll be watching for the post shave review.

Nice looking thread here starting out!

ShavinBacon
04-13-2011, 04:49 PM
That is a nice razor! I may have to pick one up soon. Congrats. :thumbup:

Dalejr
04-13-2011, 04:53 PM
Where could I get just the handle, it would fit a EJ89 right??

orchestrion
04-13-2011, 05:02 PM
That looks really good. Kind of makes me regret buying a DE89L just a month or so ago.

xillion
04-13-2011, 05:13 PM
Where could I get just the handle, it would fit a EJ89 right??

I don't think you can just buy the handle, unless you find one on BST.
I paid $35 shipped from TESC. Ordered on April 3 and received it today.

The head is the same as the EJ89 so it fits perfectly.

Eastex
04-13-2011, 05:17 PM
They really have the chrome plating process down to a art, I'm gonna be late for work some morning just from staring at mine too long before I put it up.

Dalejr
04-13-2011, 05:21 PM
I don't think you can just buy the handle, unless you find one on BST.
The head is the same as the EJ89 so it fits perfectly.

I just googled it and your right, I'll have to keep an eye out, I'm in love with that handle...

ShavinBacon
04-13-2011, 05:22 PM
They really have the chrome plating process down to a art, I'm gonna be late for work some morning just from staring at mine too long before I put it up.

I am imagining this is a pic of you on the left. Am I right? :lol:

157394

MacDaddy
04-13-2011, 05:51 PM
Wow! Your pictures make the barley finish look a lot nicer than the others I've seen.

I don't need another one. I don't need another one. I don't need another one... :arf: :nono:

Altair
04-13-2011, 06:02 PM
I don't think you can just buy the handle, unless you find one on BST.
I paid $35 shipped from TESC. Ordered on April 3 and received it today.

The head is the same as the EJ89 so it fits perfectly.

oh now I want one :tongue_sm. WHAT IS TESC!
Everyone has it for 47 usd
Thanks!

ShavinBacon
04-13-2011, 06:11 PM
TESC is http://www.theenglishshavingcompany.com/

Altair
04-13-2011, 06:17 PM
its 47 dollars, how did you get it for 35 bucks :w00t:

http://www.theenglishshavingcompany.com/cgi-bin/psProdDet.cgi/DE89BA11bl%7C1302740538%7C@cTraditional%20safety%2 0&%20double%20edge%20razors@bEdwin%20Jagger%7C0%7Cus er%7C%7C22%7C

xillion
04-13-2011, 06:40 PM
its 47 dollars, how did you get it for 35 bucks :w00t:

http://www.theenglishshavingcompany.com/cgi-bin/psProdDet.cgi/DE89BA11bl%7C1302740538%7C@cTraditional%20safety%2 0&%20double%20edge%20razors@bEdwin%20Jagger%7C0%7Cus er%7C%7C22%7C

They had free shipping until April 4 and I paid in GBP instead a USD, it was a bit cheaper that way.

joepazz
04-13-2011, 08:00 PM
I love it, I have a regular 89 and I get my hand all slippery when I shave, does this one have a better grip?

nav
04-13-2011, 08:31 PM
Is the new razor lighter than the original DE89? I read the new EJ line is lighter than the original line of razors.

xillion
04-13-2011, 08:36 PM
Is the new razor lighter than the original DE89? I read the new EJ line is lighter than the original line of razors.

No, the Barley chrome is 3 grams heavier than my DE89L.

Eastex
04-13-2011, 08:55 PM
Why do I keep opening this thread up? I've got a EJ87 thats my go to, my mainstay, my numero uno. I don't need another razor with the same head, I don't "need" another razor at all! Yet here I am, looking at those pics again, I knew this would happen, I had looked at the pics at WCS and TESC. They were ok, but I knew someone on here would get one and start putting up better pics and sure enough....
Anyone else remember the scene in Tombstone where Doc Holiday asks Wyatt Earp what he would do if "that" girl walked up to him? I do, and unlike Wyatt I'm no oak.

Dalejr
04-13-2011, 09:12 PM
Why do I keep opening this thread up? I've got a EJ87 thats my go to, my mainstay, my numero uno. I don't need another razor with the same head, I don't "need" another razor at all! Yet here I am, looking at those pics again, I knew this would happen, I had looked at the pics at WCS and TESC. They were ok, but I knew someone on here would get one and start putting up better pics and sure enough....
Anyone else remember the scene in Tombstone where Doc Holiday asks Wyatt Earp what he would do if "that" girl walked up to him? I do, and unlike Wyatt I'm no oak.

:lol::lol::lol: You're not alone...

nav
04-13-2011, 10:34 PM
No, the Barley chrome is 3 grams heavier than my DE89L.

The weird thing is I actually prefer my lighter Muhle R89 to the EJ DE86 razor. For some strange reason, the Muhle gives me a better, more comfortable shave no matter if its with Feather or Shark blades.

jsj_297
04-14-2011, 12:20 AM
Good thing Im totally contempt with my EJ89L.......:blush:riiiiiggggghhhhht.

xillion
04-14-2011, 04:21 PM
I had a very nice first shave with the Barley today. Loaded up a fresh Gillette Platinum and lathered up from a Valobra stick.

http://www.christophermendoza.com/razors/ejbarley5.jpg

The balance of the Barley is perfect for me, and I easily maintained the proper angle throughout the entire shave.
What really surprised was the knurling of the new handle. It is very fine but it felt very secure in my hand, it felt more
comfortable than my lined EJ handle. My grip remained secure even when gripping the handle with soapy fingers.
The head itself shaves just like any EJDE89/Mühle R89 head; which has always been a great shaver for me.
I achieved a BBS shave in three passes with no problems. So far I am very happy with the new Barley handle.

mmack66
04-14-2011, 04:31 PM
Very nice. I might sell my DE89L and pick up one of these.

joepazz
04-14-2011, 05:33 PM
Good thing Im totally contempt with my EJ89L.......:blush:riiiiiggggghhhhht.

I love this

Watch the BST thread, lots of DE89L coming up for sale soon

jkingrph
04-14-2011, 06:48 PM
I have been looking, but none of the stateside vendors seem to have them.

David in Boston
04-14-2011, 07:14 PM
That is one good looking razor.

Jagger did the right thing with this new design.

Enjoy.

Altair
04-15-2011, 12:51 AM
Must Resist temptation....:001_tt1:

benman
04-15-2011, 02:19 AM
I picked one of these up as my first 'proper' DE razor (used a wilkinson sword cheapo for a few weeks to dip my toe in the water). I'm used to seeing precision die cast and chromed objects from working in the furniture industry, and I must say that this razor is finished superbly. I live about 15 miles from where EJ are based, so its nice to buy a from a local company (even if the razor is probably manufactured mainly overseas...)

Its gradually coming together for me, and I had my best shave yet last night. I think I was trying too hard to get my first pass perfect - this was causing irritation. I think more passes, and more gentle have been the key to a better shave.

Currently using gillette yellows with this razor, I found the derbys supplied were terrible.

Sledgehammer39
04-15-2011, 06:48 AM
The new Jagger looks awesome. :thumbup:

cernel_joson
04-15-2011, 07:25 AM
EJ should do a tribute to the barber pole British Aristocrats next. They did a great job with the ball end, though.

chongyixiong
04-15-2011, 08:20 AM
Thanks for pointing that out!

Looks like I might need to get another one too.. just to see if it shaves better (with a more balanced handle) as compared to the Muhle R89.. very beautiful pics, thank you!

Merkur25
04-15-2011, 11:25 AM
I might have to buy one myself. That is a sweet razor right there :thumbup1:

mandoman
04-15-2011, 11:30 AM
nice razor :thumbup:

K.T.
04-15-2011, 01:00 PM
FWIW, I find my DE89L gives me a very good shave, but I've come to prefer a handful other razors. YMMV at work.

I would describe the DE89L a solid razor. It gives me a very good shave and has solid, comfortable handling. To me if feels like a good sedan, like a Camry or the like; a bit heavy, with solid, stable handling, not too fast, quirky, or exciting. A bit conservative feeling. Which is fine. It's capable of giving a fine BBS, but I wish it were just a tad more aggressive and faster feeling.

Finish and workmanship are fantastic. The plating and finish are better than anything else I have. Beautiful.

If the feel of the DE89 shave were a bit "sexier," I'd spring for the Barley right away. As it is, I'm putting it on my "must have" list, but a bit further down.

It's true the handle on the Barley is absolutely gorgeous and I'll have one in my collection one of these days.

RABIDMONKEY
04-24-2011, 10:07 PM
wow I feel my rad kicking in and I have a ej89l what about the DE89811 with the hex handle that on look sharp as well from the bad pics Ive seen

oc_in_fw
04-25-2011, 11:26 PM
I love this

Watch the BST thread, lots of DE89L coming up for sale soon

not mine:001_smile

on edit: I may add this one, though (even though the SE bug has bit me hard)

oc_in_fw
04-25-2011, 11:28 PM
Must Resist temptation....:001_tt1:

why resist? It is futile, you know:lol:

drewmac
05-03-2011, 10:40 AM
I tried resisting, but gave in and ordered one from WCS. I don't even need a new razor...

Mateo
05-10-2011, 07:03 PM
Good thing Im totally contempt with my EJ89L.......:blush:riiiiiggggghhhhht.

Don't hate the EJ89 :lol:

proxymoron
05-11-2011, 07:50 AM
Has anyone tried emailing TESC directly about buying just the handle? Seeing as they sell disembodied razor heads, it'd only stand to reason. Besides, in my dealings with them, their customer service has been pretty first-rate.

Dalejr
05-11-2011, 12:29 PM
Has anyone tried emailing TESC directly about buying just the handle? Seeing as they sell disembodied razor heads, it'd only stand to reason. Besides, in my dealings with them, their customer service has been pretty first-rate.

I was wondering the same thing, I like my EJ89L but I have to be careful, I'm looking to add more grip and a new handle would be the easy fix...

Gingerpose
05-11-2011, 01:59 PM
Has anyone tried emailing TESC directly about buying just the handle? Seeing as they sell disembodied razor heads, it'd only stand to reason. Besides, in my dealings with them, their customer service has been pretty first-rate.

I have just emailed them with this question. It's after business hours here now, hopefully I will get a response tomorrow, I will update here as soon as I hear something.

GP

Mark1966
08-30-2011, 06:24 AM
Just received the new Edwin Jagger DE89BA11 Barley Chrome plated. The quality of the plating is superb.
The handle is a bit heavier (47 grams) than the DE89L (44 grams). The knurling is very fine, to me it feels like a
fatter ball end Old Type. Overall the razor is nicely balanced and feels great in the hand. I will give it a go tomorrow.

http://www.christophermendoza.com/razors/barley1.jpg



OMG - I just noticed this thread for some reason - that is a beautiful razor!!! Much better than the pics on the websites!

KM-instructor
08-30-2011, 06:28 AM
That BC is a really sweet effect, I have the BC Chatty, and it feels great

Fantastic pictures too.

GeorgeMason
08-30-2011, 06:41 AM
Stop bring this razor back up, I am fighting the urge to buy one and this isn't helping:001_tongu

Mark1966
08-30-2011, 07:08 AM
Stop bring this razor back up, I am fighting the urge to buy one and this isn't helping:001_tongu

I think I've given in - love at first sight!

AABCDS
08-31-2011, 08:31 AM
Great pictures, xillion. You've convinced me to start looking for the barley chrome handle now.

Lando
09-26-2011, 12:22 PM
These pictures are so nice. I am feelin a barley myself

swcarter
12-05-2011, 04:49 PM
I just googled it and your right, I'll have to keep an eye out, I'm in love with that handle...

+1. love my 89L but would really like the barleycorn version.

Don Shinchan
12-06-2011, 03:11 AM
Ok. Now it seems I want this version instead of DE89L. Good thing I haven't ordered one yet!

Now let's see which vendor has it in stock...

OldGreyGuy
12-06-2011, 03:43 AM
Ok. Now it seems I want this version instead of DE89L. Good thing I haven't ordered one yet!

Now let's see which vendor has it in stock...
http://www.theenglishshavingcompany.com/cgi-bin/psProdDet.cgi/DE89BA11bl||@cTraditional%20safety%20&%20double%20edge%20razors@bEdwin%20Jagger|0|user|| 22| (http://www.theenglishshavingcompany.com/cgi-bin/psProdDet.cgi/DE89BA11bl%7C%7C@cTraditional%20safety%20&%20double%20edge%20razors@bEdwin%20Jagger%7C0%7Cus er%7C%7C22%7C)

It is great, I have two, one in the bathroom, the other is in my always packed travel bag.

oversaturn
12-06-2011, 04:48 AM
Here's a photo of mine: :001_smile

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i338/ejcoelho/Aquisicoes/P1050354.jpg

shaverjoe
12-06-2011, 06:14 AM
Ok. Now it seems I want this version instead of DE89L. Good thing I haven't ordered one yet!

Now let's see which vendor has it in stock...

Go with the Barley Chrome. The head is the same on all of them but believe me, as the pictures demonstrate, this is simply one beautiful razor. The knurling is fantastic and the plating is second to none. IMO, the Barley chrome is the most aesthetically pleasing of all the DE89s offered. Oh, did I mention it shaves wonderfully?

kingfisher
12-06-2011, 07:27 AM
How does the weight of these razors compare with that of a fat-handled Tech? The Tech seems really light, but I like the way it feels/balances. Would I be better off with the old Muhle R89 because it's lighter? Or is the head of these razors considerably heavier than that of a Tech?

If I like the fat-handled Tech, which one of these would suit me best?

Don Shinchan
12-06-2011, 07:29 AM
@ OldGreyGuy - Thanks for pointing me out the way to the "treasure" ; )

@ oversaturn - Does the real thing look this good? Or your photography skill makes it so, man? And one word about your photo: gorgeous!

@ shaverjoe - Agreed. I think I prefer the Barley Chrome to the Lined Chrome now. And it's nice to know it shaves wonderfully too!

Den
12-06-2011, 08:02 AM
How does the weight of these razors compare with that of a fat-handled Tech? The Tech seems really light, but I like the way it feels/balances. Would I be better off with the old Muhle R89 because it's lighter? Or is the head of these razors considerably heavier than that of a Tech?

If I like the fat-handled Tech, which one of these would suit me best?

I received my DE89 Barley and Muhle R41 last week and find the balance perfect with the EJ head and R41 handle. The handle has better grip on the Muhle also. So with using the EJ head and Muhle handle I've made myself an R89. So go with an R89 if you want similar balance to a Fat Handle Tech.

oversaturn
12-06-2011, 09:05 AM
@ oversaturn - Does the real thing look this good? Or your photography skill makes it so, man? And one word about your photo: gorgeous!



No, man, the beauty is in the razor itself... my photography skills are not that good! ;D

shawnmaze
12-06-2011, 12:54 PM
I received my DE89 Barley and Muhle R41 last week and find the balance perfect with the EJ head and R41 handle. The handle has better grip on the Muhle also. So with using the EJ head and Muhle handle I've made myself an R89. So go with an R89 if you want similar balance to a Fat Handle Tech.

The R41 handle is heavier than the R89 handle (though lighter than the DE89 Barley). It looks the same, but it is actually weighted different.

Den
12-06-2011, 01:33 PM
The R41 handle is heavier than the R89 handle (though lighter than the DE89 Barley). It looks the same, but it is actually weighted different.

I thought I read that somewhere, but wasn't sure. Thanks for clarifying it.

kingfisher
12-06-2011, 01:37 PM
I received my DE89 Barley and Muhle R41 last week and find the balance perfect with the EJ head and R41 handle. The handle has better grip on the Muhle also. So with using the EJ head and Muhle handle I've made myself an R89. So go with an R89 if you want similar balance to a Fat Handle Tech.

Thanks, Denis.

xillion
12-06-2011, 01:39 PM
Here are the weights for the Mühle old R41/R89 handle(24 grams) and the 2011 R41 handle (38 grams).

http://www.christophermendoza.com/razors/r41weights.jpg

Weights for the Mühle (24 grams), EJ Lined (44 grams), and Barley (47 grams).

http://www.christophermendoza.com/razors/barley2.jpg

Den
12-06-2011, 04:42 PM
Nice Chris! So when I pair my EJ head with the Muhle R41 handle I end up with an R89 copy that weighs 68 grams instead of 54. Nothing wrong with that. Doesn't an HD weigh about 68 grams?

brucered
12-06-2011, 05:25 PM
after seeing these BARLEY pics, i'm cursing my postman for not delivering mine yet...coming from TESC in the UK, but hopefully soon.

nice pics and thanks for the weights on all the handles

jaguar
12-06-2011, 05:50 PM
Is the 28 gram weight shown for the 2011 R41 Muhle chrome handle for the regular handle or the new Grande handle?

xillion
12-06-2011, 06:27 PM
Is the 28 gram weight shown for the 2011 R41 Muhle chrome handle for the regular handle or the new Grande handle?

The 2011 R41 handle weights 38 grams. I don't know the weight of the Grande handle.

AABCDS
12-06-2011, 06:35 PM
Is the 28 gram weight shown for the 2011 R41 Muhle chrome handle for the regular handle or the new Grande handle?

The 2011 R41 GRANDE weighs 80 g total according to Muhle's website (http://www.muehle-shaving.com/shop/b2b/straight_and_safety_razors/1/safety_razor_grande/147/147/R_41_GRANDE) and the regular version weighs 66 g total. It follows logically that the GRANDE handle should weigh ~42 g.

jaguar
12-07-2011, 07:55 AM
Interesting data points. The new Muhle Grande handle at 42g still weights less than either the EJ lined (44g) or the EJ Barley (47g).

Chevyguy
12-07-2011, 08:07 AM
I was wondering the same thing, I like my EJ89L but I have to be careful, I'm looking to add more grip and a new handle would be the easy fix...

I've used a EJ DE89L and to help with the grip situation I always made sure to rinse the soap off my razor holding hand. I always rinse the razor in a sink filled with hot water so it's easy to also rinse my hand.

Clayton

mikey
12-07-2011, 11:34 AM
So, how much does a regular (non-Grande) 2011 R89 handle weigh?

Thanks,
Mike

xillion
12-07-2011, 11:46 AM
So, how much does a regular (non-Grande) 2011 R89 handle weigh?

Thanks,
Mike

As far as I know the 2011 R89 has the same handle as the 2011 R41 so 38 grams.

jaguar
12-07-2011, 01:56 PM
Thanks to Chris, we have some interesting and informative data regarding the Muhle chrome handles. The pre 2011 R41 chrome handle weighs 24g, presumably the same as the pre R89 chrome handle. The 2011 R41 handle weighs 38g and the 2011 Grande handle weighs 42g. Given the fact that the Grande handle is both longer and has a larger circumference, I would have thought the weight difference between the 2011 R41 regular chrome handle and the 2011 R41 Grande chrome handle would have been greater than 4g. Clearly Muhle is responding to customer comments about the weight of their handles.

Lucidor
08-17-2012, 06:28 AM
The only thing that bothers me is that I can't use my Mühle stand (http://www.shaving.ie/products/Muhle-DE-Razor-Stand.html) with the Barley. According to B&B the original would fit. Wonderful shaver and looks stunning apart from that.

brucered
08-17-2012, 07:07 AM
It's one of the razors I regret letting go, but since I traded straight up for a BRW OC New, I guess I'm ok with it. :001_cool:

Lucidor
08-17-2012, 07:31 AM
Thing is - I got a Weber ARC, and it's pretty much the same feeling as using the 89, only a little smoother and more autopilot, but I still can't bring myself to get rid of the 89.

jwilock
08-17-2012, 10:11 AM
My first razor, and one that I still love was the EJ DE89 Barley Chrome. Recently I bought a 2010 Muhle R101. That's the 2010 R41 head with the black handle. I like it and I also like its looks. But a few days ago I popped the Barley Chrome handle onto it instead of the black one it came with. Now I love this razor. The plating on the DE89 and the R101 heads is outstanding. They both shine like mirrors. And the new combo of R41 head with DE89 BC handle is perfect. I understand its not as aggressive a razor as the 2011 R41, but not everyone wants the most aggressive razor in the world.

Since Muhle has been changing its OC head in recent years, I wonder what's next on the horizon for them?

vocalistbob
08-17-2012, 03:34 PM
I bought my Barley because the handle design looks to me like a (slightly longer) "homage" to Gillette's classic "Old" ball-type razor. I have my Jagger Barley & Gillette Ball-Type sitting side by side in my rack.

socialjunk95
11-21-2013, 11:00 PM
that barley chrome looks beautiful..

Vlamgat
11-22-2013, 12:12 AM
The four of them have slippery handles. One should buy the cheapest and put a decent handle on it.

Aimless1
11-22-2013, 12:19 AM
The EJ de89 barley is beautiful. A few find the handles slippery. I have not had that issue with this razor.

taelvin
02-17-2014, 11:24 PM
Here are the weights for the Mühle old R41/R89 handle(24 grams) and the 2011 R41 handle (38 grams).

http://www.christophermendoza.com/razors/r41weights.jpg

Weights for the Mühle (24 grams), EJ Lined (44 grams), and Barley (47 grams).

http://www.christophermendoza.com/razors/barley2.jpg


Hope it's alright that I resurrect this thread. But can anyone tell me how the difference in weight between the Muhle R89 and the EJ Barley affects performance? If any? I was looking at the "Build Quality" thread in this forum and it seemed like Muhle consistently scored above EJ so I figured I would get the R89 but if I need to factor in the weight difference as something important it would be good to know how it might affect my use. (P.S. I know there is a cost difference between the two but right now its about a $10 difference which I don't mind spending on superior quality).

Thank you for the help everyone!