Concealed Carry Awkward Moments

[thunder54]

I know some of us have a concealed carry permit. Has anyone had an awkward moment while they had a weapon concealed?

My brother is a detective for the police dept. he works for and is required by the police dept. to carry at all times. The whole family was at a restaurant for my parents 50th anniversary. My brother was talking to me and he was telling me about how much he liked the pants he was wearing, Woolrich Elite, and how well they concealed the pistol he was carrying at the time. My sister who was only listening to part of the conversation we were having blurts out kind of loud," You mean you're carrying a gun?" At that moment the noise that is usually in a restaurant was not there. So a few people looked our way. My bro already had his badge out to show everyone. Needless to say he was giving my sis the stink eye and did not speak to her for a few minutes.

Any other stories?

[bulldognation]

Cops are required to carry at all times? Did not know that.:001_huh:

[rickboone1]

Cops are required to carry at all times? Did not know that.:001_huh:

All depends on the department. It is good to, though. You're sworn to protect and not just while on the clock. It'd be best to be prepared.

[MrMurphy]

Had a lady in church throw her arm around me in a hug unexpectedly, arm did not make it down in time and her hand landed right on my Glock.

The look she gave me was real interesting till I explained it was legal.

She and her husband now carry.

[instpasr]

Had a lady friend give me a hug and she felt my Sig P245 after an awkward what the heck is that look she said oh I forgot you carry.

[azmark]

I got married with my off duty weapon.........wife wasn't so thrilled though.

[Topgumby]

I got cited for unauthorized concealed carry in a combat zone.

No lie.

[Isaac]

Semi related...

Im going to the CHL class tomorrow. All of the classes are usually offered on the weekends, and I work the weekends. So a couple of people I work with arranged a class on a weekday. The bad thing, I am going to be at this class from 0730-1845. Im a bit nervous about the shooting test, but I heard its not to hard.

I dont know that I will ever carry, but the opportunity to become licensed is to great to ignore.

Isaac

[kg4ghn]

I got married with my off duty weapon.........wife wasn't so thrilled though.

:thumbup1:


I got cited for unauthorized concealed carry in a combat zone.

No lie.

That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Whoever cited you for that, and whoever made the rule that allowed you to be cited for that should be kicked in the [mod edit].

[_JP_]

I got cited for unauthorized concealed carry in a combat zone.

No lie.

Only in America! :glare:

[dpm802]

When I was in Israel in 1979, I was quite surprised when I saw people carrying guns everywhere I went.

These were not concealed weapons. They were wearing pistols in a holster, or rifles slung over their shoulders. Out in the open, for everyone to see.

Shopkeepers. Bus drivers. Restaurant waiters. Schoolteachers chaperoning children on a field trip. Everyone was packing heat.

I guess it was a culture-shock thing. I wasn't expecting this, but after a couple of days, it started to seem normal.

[hometownhero]

:thumbup1:



That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Whoever cited you for that, and whoever made the rule that allowed you to be cited for that should be kicked in the [mod edit].

Holy [mod edit]!!!!
Nice one with the [mod edit] in your post.

[Topgumby]

Only in America! :glare:

Nah, Kuwait. I was in civvies meeting an inbound field grade officer at the airport, in a government contracted rental car, parked in the parking lot when two Army MP's in civvies knocked on the window and asked for ID. When they asked if we had any weapons, I told them besides the two rifles in the vehicle they could plainly see, I had an M9 in an inside the waistband rig. They wrote me a ticket for having a concealed weapon without a permit from some command authority I'd never heard of. Thank goodness they didn't try to confiscate it, or I'd have gotten arrested for sure.

Since it was an official, genuine law-breaking incident, it got reported to my Marine Corps CG. I remember hearing the Colonel on the phone...."Yes, sir. My Master Sergeant got cited for being armed...Yes, sir, it's a helluva way to run a war..."

[instpasr]

Huh...I've been to that airport in Kuwait in civvies with a concealed M-9 several times and never been asked, I think they knew you were a Marine and wanted to mess with you :lol:

[Topgumby]

That, or we shouldn't have been tossing the empties out the window....






I kid.

[instpasr]

Those empty rip it cans???

[Topgumby]

Back on topic...I did have to tell an older gent at a grocery store, "Pardon me, sir, but your shirt has ridden up over the grip of your pistol, and somebody might get upset...."

"What?"

"Er, your Glock is showing."

"Oh, thanks!"

It was kind of an odd conversation.

[hometownhero]

Back on topic...I did have to tell an older gent at a grocery store, "Pardon me, sir, but your shirt has ridden up over the grip of your pistol, and somebody might get upset...."

"What?"

"Er, your Glock is showing."

"Oh, thanks!"

It was kind of an odd conversation.

LOL that one made my week. I needed that thank you

[jd_1138]

Nah, Kuwait. I was in civvies meeting an inbound field grade officer at the airport, in a government contracted rental car, parked in the parking lot when two Army MP's in civvies knocked on the window and asked for ID. When they asked if we had any weapons, I told them besides the two rifles in the vehicle they could plainly see, I had an M9 in an inside the waistband rig. They wrote me a ticket for having a concealed weapon without a permit from some command authority I'd never heard of. Thank goodness they didn't try to confiscate it, or I'd have gotten arrested for sure.

Since it was an official, genuine law-breaking incident, it got reported to my Marine Corps CG. I remember hearing the Colonel on the phone...."Yes, sir. My Master Sergeant got cited for being armed...Yes, sir, it's a helluva way to run a war..."

That sounds like something out of the film "Dr. Strangelove".

[bulldognation]

When I was in Israel in 1979, I was quite surprised when I saw people carrying guns everywhere I went.

These were not concealed weapons. They were wearing pistols in a holster, or rifles slung over their shoulders. Out in the open, for everyone to see.

Shopkeepers. Bus drivers. Restaurant waiters. Schoolteachers chaperoning children on a field trip. Everyone was packing heat.

I guess it was a culture-shock thing. I wasn't expecting this, but after a couple of days, it started to seem normal.

I bet everyone was very polite to each other. :biggrin1:

[fireengineer2004]

Huh...I've been to that airport in Kuwait in civvies with a concealed M-9 several times and never been asked, I think they knew you were a Marine and wanted to mess with you :lol:

I bet they were privates too... :mad3:

[stobes21]

I'm an attorney and last winter I had to accompany a client to the police station for an interview. I left my pistol in the car but inadvertently left the holster on my belt. I noticed inside that I was getting some very strange looks from some of the cops. I figured it was because I was an attorney, but I realized later that I had taken off my coat and the empty holster was quite visible to everyone there.

[DrColossus11]

I can't wait to move back to MI so I can carry again. They still haven't got yhe gun laws figured out here.

In MI you can now open carry. There was a guy walking his dog around the property where I worked with a .38 on is hip. Aparently, one of my customers saw it and called the police saying he was "brandishing a firearm". I had to explain to the four officers that showed up that he was NOT doing anything of the sort.

[fccexpert]

Sadly, I live in Illinois, one of only two states that does not allow concealed carry (and soon to be the only one).

[Groat]

Aparently, one of my customers saw it and called the police saying he was "brandishing a firearm". I had to explain to the four officers that showed up that he was NOT doing anything of the sort.

Somebody needed a vocabulary lesson. They probably just heard that term on TV and figured it sounded nice and official.

[Rossmeister]

Why carry weapons inside a church? Why?

[dpm802]

Why carry weapons inside a church? Why? (Louisiana) Governor Bobby Jindal signs "Guns-In-Church" Law (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/07/bobby-jindal-signs-guns-i_n_638047.html)

(Kentucky) Louisville's Bring Your Firearms to Church Day (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1906765,00.html)

(Arkansas) Committee OKs guns in church
(http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2011/03/24/committee-oks-guns-in-church)

[azmark]

Why carry weapons inside a church? Why?

I was a police officer at the time and thought my wife would find it funny or cute when I told her...........not so much.

[americanarmsdealer]

Why carry weapons inside a church? Why?
Sadly, they've become targets of opportunity for people who want to commit mass shootings. Not too long ago, a guy showed up outside a church in Colorado with an AK-47 and over 1000 rounds of ammunition to shoot the place up. A female armed security guard engaged him in the parking lot and shot him, stopping him. No telling how many people's lives she saved that day.

[Gravy]

Why carry weapons inside a church? Why?

To add to the other reasons,

Not everyone attending church is coming from home or returning directly home and may have other reasons for carrying that day.

One of the biggest problems with the laws that require qualified, legal carriers to disarm before entering a specific location (for whatever reasoning) is that their firearm is then left in the car.

While there are car lock-boxes and such on the market to help secure them, they are no guarantee like if the owner just kept the pistol on them.
Thefts from church lots during the service are quite common and these laws do nothing to help keep firearms out of the hands of criminals.


Back on topic,
I was dropping my car off at the auto-mechanics on the way home from work and when I tried to call my roommate to pick me up I got no answer so I left a message that I'd just walk the 3 miles home and if he got the message, I'd be taking "x" route and would he maybe meet me part way.

Long story short, the holster, relaxed fit pants, and casual belt failed as a good carry system for long walks and my IWB holster began turning into an "Inside the Pant Leg", attempting to go further south the further I walked. When I was about a 1/2 mile from home I stopped walking and began trying to think of a way to reach down inside my pants w/o drawing attention in a populated area, right in front of a Catholic Church/school.

Luckily my roommate drove up and I jumped in. He laughed as I explained what was going on and why I was undoing my belt.

[73mountaineer]

I can't wait to move back to MI so I can carry again. They still haven't got yhe gun laws figured out here.



Good luck, Chicago gun laws are some of the most ridiculous in the nation. You'll be retired and living back in MI by the time you are allowed to legally carry a gun in Chicago.


Sadly, I live in Illinois, one of only two states that does not allow concealed carry (and soon to be the only one).

I still remember how flabbergasted I was upon learning that I had to get a FOID (firearms owner identifcation card) when I moved to IL from WV! Until that card came in the mail, I was breaking the law by being in possession of firearms in my own house. :mad5:

[fccexpert]

Good luck, Chicago gun laws are some of the most ridiculous in the nation. You'll be retired and living back in MI by the time you are allowed to legally carry a gun in Chicago.



I still remember how flabbergasted I was upon learning that I had to get a FOID (firearms owner identifcation card) when I moved to IL from WV! Until that card came in the mail, I was breaking the law by being in possession of firearms in my own house. :mad5:

Of course some states that technically allow concealled carry actually only extend this privilage to the chosen few (CA and NY come to mind). In a way, you could put Illinois in this catagory since Aldermen, after proper training, can be considered as officers of the peace and carry. This is even true for Chicago where I know for a fact a number of Aldermen do in fact carry.

[DrColossus11]

Good luck, Chicago gun laws are some of the most ridiculous in the nation. You'll be retired and living back in MI by the time you are allowed to legally carry a gun in Chicago.
Technically you are allowed to own a handgun in Chicago now. You have to take a city approved class. To my knowledge, the city has yet to come up with the exact requirements and has will not honor any other training classes. So that nice class in MI that let's me concealed carry is not good enough for Chicago!:mad3:

[Gravy]

Technically you are allowed to own a handgun in Chicago now. You have to take a city approved class. To my knowledge, the city has yet to come up with the exact requirements and has will not honor any other training classes. So that nice class in MI that let's me concealed carry is not good enough for Chicago!:mad3:

Ha! From what I hear that is only half of it. Since Chicago doesn't want any ranges in or around town you have to travel quite a ways just to take the class. Or that begs the question " how do you take a city approved class if they don't allow the classes?"

[DrColossus11]

Ha! From what I hear that is only half of it. Since Chicago doesn't want any ranges in or around town you have to travel quite a ways just to take the class. Or that begs the question " how do you take a city approved class if they don't allow the classes?"
There's the rub. It's their loophole in the ruling.

[americanarmsdealer]

This is why I don't even care to visit Chicago. Just sayin'!:001_rolleOf course, my wife and I actually plan our vacations destinations based on where we can or can't carry. We're a little extreme that way.:biggrin1:

[Mr.Oak]

I got cited for unauthorized concealed carry in a combat zone.

No lie.

Why would you be concealing in a combat zone anyway? Last I checked all service members are supposed to be carrying their weapons at all times...

[Topgumby]

Mufti at the unsecured section of an airport.

[Mr.Oak]

mufti? and what airport are you referring to, BIAP?

[Topgumby]

mufti? and what airport are you referring to, BIAP?

Mufti - meaning out of uniform.

Airport - Kuwait International Airport.

Thank goodness they didn't catch me with a safety razor...:001_rolle

[Doc4]

Had a lady in church throw her arm around me in a hug unexpectedly, arm did not make it down in time and her hand landed right on my Glock.

The look she gave me was real interesting till I explained ...
"Yes, that actually IS a gun in my pocket, and no, I'm not "really glad" to see you." :001_rolle

I got married with my off duty weapon

I got married with my fiancee. To each his own, I guess.

[americanarmsdealer]

Mufti - meaning out of uniform.

Airport - Kuwait International Airport.

Thank goodness they didn't catch me with a safety razor...:001_rolle

You probably would have tasted tile if that had been the case!:laugh:

[azmark]

I got married with my fiancee. To each his own, I guess.

:laugh:

[binowatch]

Why carry weapons inside a church? Why?
I attend a synagogue that receives threats of violence with each major holiday. The place needs to be swept for bombs and has off duty police outside. Members are not dissuaded from carrying-the head of security just wants healed members to let him know so they know who to count on, just in case. Sadly, the Nazis are not all gone.
On lighter note, after attending a lecture at a local hotel I was waiting for my car to be brought around-I had to sneeze and without thinking swept my coat and jacket back to get to my handkerchief revealing my HK P7. There was a dinner meeting of local law enforcement agencies just breaking up at the same time and I got a few quick looks and then little laughs as they watched me try to quickly cover up!!

[DavyRay]

Why carry weapons inside a church? Why?

I know it sounds goofy.

I do not have a concealed carry license, and am not carrying water for all you gun nuts. :lol:
But ...

I do have a friend who goes to church out in the country, who wished he or someone had a gun, when a crazy person, who was armed, walked into their country church with crazy talk, and threats, and who did indeed brandish a gun. The county deputies are usually hours away from your 911 call. It was an uncomfortable time for them all.

[Clovis Man]

Why carry weapons inside a church? Why?

I had a good reason some years ago -- and not only in a church, I actually took several firearms into the BANK!

In April of 1981, I was getting out of the Marine Corps. My last week or so at Cherry Point, I had bought a Ruger Super Blackhawk, and since I was so close to leaving, they wouldn't let me store it in the armory. Thus, it became my constant companion -- not only in church, but also everywhere else I went! I had it in a plain brown box and nobody noticed what it said on the end of the box...

My last DAY at Cherry Point, I had everything packed up on my motorcycle, but I needed to stop at the bank to close my account. Pulled up out front, parked, then grabbed the rifle (in a hard case) and the Ruger and walked inside and straight to the bank president's office. He sure had big eyes when I walked in! But when I explained the whole situation to him, he allowed me to set everything in a corner of his office until I was finished out front. Quite the experience!

[Topgumby]

Clovis Man, that's a great story. :thumbup1:

[jkingrph]

When I was in Israel in 1979, I was quite surprised when I saw people carrying guns everywhere I went.

These were not concealed weapons. They were wearing pistols in a holster, or rifles slung over their shoulders. Out in the open, for everyone to see.

Shopkeepers. Bus drivers. Restaurant waiters. Schoolteachers chaperoning children on a field trip. Everyone was packing heat.

I guess it was a culture-shock thing. I wasn't expecting this, but after a couple of days, it started to seem normal.

We saw the same thing back in 73. I was stationed in Turkey with the USAF and we took a tour.

We have a picture of a very young feamale soldier waiting alone at a bus stop outside Jerico, miniskirt, sandles, empty shopping bag, and Uzi.

[waynejitsu]

Sadly, the Nazis are not all gone.

Very sadly..., so many are in D.C.

[Clovis Man]

Clovis Man, that's a great story. :thumbup1:

Thanks, Top!

[michael.scheller]

I got cited for unauthorized concealed carry in a combat zone.

No lie.

Up in Iraq, you had to show your weapon to enter the dining facilities, supposedly to ensure you were carrying it instead of leaving it in your workplace. I routinely carried mine on a belt holster which, when standing, fell beneath my uniform top. I had to get in the habit of lifting my top so that the guards could verify I was armed.

[instpasr]

Up in Iraq, you had to show your weapon to enter the dining facilities, supposedly to ensure you were carrying it instead of leaving it in your workplace. I routinely carried mine on a belt holster which, when standing, fell beneath my uniform top. I had to get in the habit of lifting my top so that the guards could verify I was armed.

I carried my M-9 like that sometimes and also had to routinely lift my uniform top to verify I was packing heat. We actually had guys that didn't want to take their M-16s outside because they felt they would never leave the vehicle, stupid.

[HDPaul]

We saw the same thing back in 73. I was stationed in Turkey with the USAF and we took a tour.

We have a picture of a very young feamale soldier waiting alone at a bus stop outside Jerico, miniskirt, sandles, empty shopping bag, and Uzi.

Cool pic!!!

[Pbalkan]

In Arizona, you no longer need a permit to carry-concealed. But you can still GET permits if you want. They allow you to carry in certain areas, they allow you to buy firearms without a Brady-check and they are necessary if you want to claim reciprocity in another state.

My story is about another person and open-carry.

I was in a rather seedy section of Phoenix when a woman approached me. She had that look of serious mental-illness and had a large revolver stuck into the front of her pants.

With a glazed look and an extremely frustrated tone, she demanded that I tell her where a certain bar was located. In all honesty, I had never heard of that particular bar.

But... I quickly told her... "walk two blocks down, turn right, walk another block and a half... you can't miss it."

Then I walked in the opposite direction! :sneaky2:

[DavyRay]

In Arizona, you no longer need a permit to carry-concealed. But you can still GET permits if you want. They allow you to carry in certain areas, they allow you to buy firearms without a Brady-check and they are necessary if you want to claim reciprocity in another state.

My story is about another person and open-carry.

I was in a rather seedy section of Phoenix when a woman approached me. She had that look of serious mental-illness and had a large revolver stuck into the front of her pants.

With a glazed look and an extremely frustrated tone, she demanded that I tell her where a certain bar was located. In all honesty, I had never heard of that particular bar.

But... I quickly told her... "walk two blocks down, turn right, walk another block and a half... you can't miss it."

Then I walked in the opposite direction! :sneaky2:

That is good thinking on your feet. Best thing you could have done.

[azmark]

I was in a rather seedy section of Phoenix when a woman approached me. She had that look of serious mental-illness and had a large revolver stuck into the front of her pants.

With a glazed look and an extremely frustrated tone, she demanded that I tell her where a certain bar was located. In all honesty, I had never heard of that particular bar.


Sheesh you should avoid me then:lol:

[Mako72]

We saw the same thing back in 73. I was stationed in Turkey with the USAF and we took a tour.

We have a picture of a very young feamale soldier waiting alone at a bus stop outside Jerico, miniskirt, sandles, empty shopping bag, and Uzi.

Love the pic!

In high school in the '80s one of my freinds had grown up in Isreal. One of his vacation pics was of 2 off duty female Isreali soldiers walking down the beach in Haifa in bikinis & combats boots with m16s and a bandoleer of mags slung. Wish I had that picture but he never would give it up.

Sexiest damn thing you ever saw!

Jay

[dpm802]

Love the pic!

In high school in the '80s one of my freinds had grown up in Isreal. One of his vacation pics was of 2 off duty female Isreali soldiers walking down the beach in Haifa in bikinis & combats boots with m16s and a bandoleer of mags slung. Wish I had that picture but he never would give it up.

Sexiest damn thing you ever saw!

Jayhttp://www.jewlicious.com/wp-content/soldierbabes.jpg

[sharky007]

...would carry in the shower if it were water proof...I need to get a Glock!

[sharky007]

Now thats very street smart,way to go:thumbup1:
In Arizona, you no longer need a permit to carry-concealed. But you can still GET permits if you want. They allow you to carry in certain areas, they allow you to buy firearms without a Brady-check and they are necessary if you want to claim reciprocity in another state.

My story is about another person and open-carry.

I was in a rather seedy section of Phoenix when a woman approached me. She had that look of serious mental-illness and had a large revolver stuck into the front of her pants.

With a glazed look and an extremely frustrated tone, she demanded that I tell her where a certain bar was located. In all honesty, I had never heard of that particular bar.

But... I quickly told her... "walk two blocks down, turn right, walk another block and a half... you can't miss it."

Then I walked in the opposite direction! :sneaky2:

[miamimoe]

Love the pic!

In high school in the '80s one of my freinds had grown up in Isreal. One of his vacation pics was of 2 off duty female Isreali soldiers walking down the beach in Haifa in bikinis & combats boots with m16s and a bandoleer of mags slung. Wish I had that picture but he never would give it up.

Sexiest damn thing you ever saw!

Jay


We saw the same thing back in 73. I was stationed in Turkey with the USAF and we took a tour.

We have a picture of a very young feamale soldier waiting alone at a bus stop outside Jerico, miniskirt, sandles, empty shopping bag, and Uzi.


When I was in Israel in 1979, I was quite surprised when I saw people carrying guns everywhere I went.

These were not concealed weapons. They were wearing pistols in a holster, or rifles slung over their shoulders. Out in the open, for everyone to see.

Shopkeepers. Bus drivers. Restaurant waiters. Schoolteachers chaperoning children on a field trip. Everyone was packing heat.

I guess it was a culture-shock thing. I wasn't expecting this, but after a couple of days, it started to seem normal.

That is still the case today. Concealed carry here is pretty meaningless, as people carry openly. It's very common, and there are soldiers almost everywhere packing M-16's or Tavors. There are also a lot of cute girls carrying rifles; sometimes I wish I was younger. :lol:


Why carry weapons inside a church? Why?


I attend a synagogue that receives threats of violence with each major holiday. The place needs to be swept for bombs and has off duty police outside. Members are not dissuaded from carrying-the head of security just wants healed members to let him know so they know who to count on, just in case. Sadly, the Nazis are not all gone.


Ditto, here. Back in the states, during the high holidays, we were on notice by the local police to keep our eyes open for wing nuts. We had off-duty police, and a good number of the members of the congregation were armed, just in case. It's terrible to think about, but there are some really insane people in this world who would enjoy shooting up a place of worship.

[Mako72]

There are also a lot of cute girls carrying rifles; sometimes I wish I was younger. :lol:

I'm guessing one is very careful with pick up lines when they can butt stroke ya!:lol::lol:

Jay

[waynejitsu]

http://www.jewlicious.com/wp-content/soldierbabes.jpg

Notice all of the mag well's are empty, no mags and I do not see any. I would feel better with a Katana or baseball bat than an empty gun.
Maybe I am missing something, but after enlarging the pic, I noticed ALL were empty, uncharged, no "real" protection.
"Maybe" they were airsoft or paint ball guns, LOL!!

[Clovis Man]

Notice all of the mag well's are empty, no mags and I do not see any. I would feel better with a Katana or baseball bat than an empty gun.
Maybe I am missing something, but after enlarging the pic, I noticed ALL were empty, uncharged, no "real" protection.
"Maybe" they were airsoft or paint ball guns, LOL!!


I'm guessing one is very careful with pick up lines when they can butt stroke ya!:lol::lol:

Beat me to it! An unloaded rifle is still deadly, in the right hands. I recently read about an incident in Iraq where a Marine KILLED an enemy combatant with a horizontal buttstroke.

[Mako72]

Notice all of the mag well's are empty, no mags and I do not see any.

Look at the one on the left. She has two mags strapped together and slipped over the pistol grip on her rifle. I don't know their protocols but its possible they are on base. I believe even some of our bases and buildings in combat zone you still have to be unload for safety. Here is a picture of some in uniform, you can't see the weapons but you can see how they carry their mags.

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Jay

[Groat]

I believe even some of our bases and buildings in combat zone you still have to be unload for safety.

You're supposed to unload and clear your weapons before you enter the base in a combat zone. Everybody in the convoy gets out of their trucks, goes over to a bunch of clearing barrels and clears their own weapon. Only then can you proceed into the base. When I was overseas, my instructions were that we were supposed to be amber (magazine loaded, chamber empty) when in a convoy as well.

[instpasr]

Some industrious soldier came up with this mag pouch that is strapped to the butt stock of the rifle while you're carrying it around on base. I'm hoping those females all have their mags on the inside of the stock.

[Groat]

Some industrious soldier came up with this mag pouch that is strapped to the butt stock of the rifle while you're carrying it around on base. I'm hoping those females all have their mags on the inside of the stock.

Those are the best. I found mine needed a zip tie to keep it nice and tight, but it worked great on my M4 for the whole deployment. Kept that one required magazine out of the way but within easy access range.

[dpm802]

That is still the case today. Concealed carry here is pretty meaningless, as people carry openly. It's very common, and there are soldiers almost everywhere packing M-16's or Tavors. There are also a lot of cute girls carrying rifles; sometimes I wish I was younger. :lol:

Can we assume that when we see an Israeli carrying a gun, they are off-duty military personnel? Or do the civilians arm themselves as well?

[instpasr]

I had one on my big stick with a zip tie also but because I was dual armed I just carted the M9 on base with a mag in the well and a spare in my back pocket. My blouse tended to cover my holster so it was easier to go amber that way.

[Amer]

Some industrious soldier came up with this mag pouch that is strapped to the butt stock of the rifle while you're carrying it around on base. I'm hoping those females all have their mags on the inside of the stock.

It kind of looks like the girl in the white top has something strapped to the inside of the butt of the rifle.

[mattface]

Can we assume that when we see an Israeli carrying a gun, they are off-duty military personnel? Or do the civilians arm themselves as well?

If we see an Israeli between the ages of 18 and 21 (20 if they are female) we can assume they are military personnel.

[dpm802]

If we see an Israeli between the ages of 18 and 21 (20 if they are female) we can assume they are military personnel.While this is true, that's not the question I was asking.

When I was in Israel, I saw people in civilian clothes carrying guns and rifles ... and they were in ALL age ranges.

Likewise, there were soldiers in uniform that appeared to be upwards of 60yo. And these were not high-ranking generals ... just ordinary, lower-level enlisted personnel. While a sexagenarian soldier might not be fit for combat, they were assigned to guard duties, supply and admin tasks.

[mattface]

While this is true, that's not the question I was asking.

When I was in Israel, I saw people in civilian clothes carrying guns and rifles ... and they were in ALL age ranges.

Likewise, there were soldiers in uniform that appeared to be upwards of 60yo. And these were not high-ranking generals ... just ordinary, lower-level enlisted personnel. While a sexagenarian soldier might not be fit for combat, they were assigned to guard duties, supply and admin tasks.

While I don't actually know the answer to your question, it seems to me that making assumptions about someone's active military status in Israel based upon wether they are openly carrying a weapon, is probably no more likely to be wrong than making assumptions based upon the fact that they are say wearing jungle boots with their civvies. Damn near everyone HAS been active military at some point, and a lot still are. I don't see where making assumptions is ever advisable, but you've got better than averages in Israel if you assume someone is in the military.

[Gravy]

Can we assume that when we see an Israeli carrying a gun, they are off-duty military personnel? Or do the civilians arm themselves as well?

It's my understanding that the civilians arm themselves as well, in which case it will most likely be a concealed handgun.

[Doc4]

http://www.jewlicious.com/wp-content/soldierbabes.jpg

I am reminded of the old comical "personal ad":

SWM, 34, seeks SWF, 19-28, with fishing boat and trailer. Must be willing to clean and cook fish; ability to start campfire an asset. When responding, please include photo of boat and trailer.

[miamimoe]

Seeing as I live in Israel, I will try and set it out:

1. The girls out of uniform without magazines are off duty, therefore no magazines. They may also be in "Tironoot", which is basic training. They do not receive magazines until they have finished their training. However, unless they are at home, or on a base (in their room), they are required to carry their weapons at all times.

2. The girls in uniform are carrying the standard "street" load of 2 30 round magazines each. Every soldier on duty who is assigned a weapon is required to have ammunition at all times, even on their way home. Combat loads depend on your unit and duty.

3. If you see a solider in uniform with a sidearm, he/she is an officer. Israeli soldiers do not carry sidearms, even in combat, except the special units.

4. Civilians are allowed to carry sidearms with a permit from the police. In more dangerous areas, they receive, and carry M-16's. Depends on where you live.

[mmack66]

Had a lady in church throw her arm around me in a hug unexpectedly, arm did not make it down in time and her hand landed right on my Glock.

The look she gave me was real interesting till I explained it was legal.

She and her husband now carry.

There has to be a custom title in there somewhere.

[Go West Young Man]

I bet everyone was very polite to each other. :biggrin1:

You've obviously never met an Israeli! :tongue_sm

[mattface]

OK, here's my concealed carry awkward moment, which I think tops most anything mentioned here so far in spite of the fact that I've never owned or carried a realfirearm.

When I was 13(ish) I bought a single shot pump action BB pistol one summer. My parents didn't know I had it, and wouldn't have allowed it if they had. I was into playing "spy", and also needed a convenient way to smuggle my contraband weapon in and out of the house, so I made a homemade shoulder holster out of some naugahyde material, elastic, and a snap fastener gun I found around the house. it was really an impressive little holster, not even considering it was hand crafted by a 13 year old using odds and ends.

I would wear the pistol under my jeans jacket when my friend and I played spy. I was a bit large for a 13 year old, and my friend was a bit small, so although it didn't occur to me at the time I was likely to be taken by adults for a much older teenager. One day we were playing spy in the local DPW lot. We liked that lot because it had a tall brick wall around it that was fun to scale, and drop down inside the yard and duck behind piles of gravel, all while humming the mission impossible theme song. On this particular day we did this while one of the local police cars was fueling up at the gas pump in the DPW lot. Another thing that did not occur to us is that although our innocent game of spy might be very obviously a game to us, to that cop it looked like we were a couple of teenagers sneaking into the DPW to steal gas. When we saw the cop, we ducked under the gate and ran away, but then we didn't really know what to do from there, so we just decided to walk down the street like nothing had happened.

Well the cop saw us and decided to arrest ME, and not my friend, because presumably I looked like a young hoodlum, and he like an innocent little kid. He put me in the back seat of the cruiser, and there I was sitting there with something that it suddenly occurred to me looked quite a bit like a gun! Then a moment later the cop brought me back OUT of the car and decided to frisk me. I think it was more about giving me the full scare treatment than about procedure, but of course he found the BB pistol, as well as my swiss army knife. I think he was more than a little dumbfounded to find a BB pistol in a shoulder holster, but they took me to the station, and my parents were called, and the cops asked if they wanted the bb pistol back, and my parents said no, so they crushed it in a vice. :crying:

Obviously in hindsight I can see just how stupid and dangerous the game I was playing was, but at the time I was literally on the cusp of childhood and adolescence, and was just a little too sophisticated for my own good, but not sophisticated enough to realize it. It didn't help anything that I looked older than I was. Anyway that was by FAR the most awkward concealed carry moment of my life, and I sincerely doubt I'll ever top it. :tongue_sm

[Pkrankow]

My brother ocassionally drove a limo for his job at a smaller airport. His usual duties were fueling and parking airplanes, as well as cleaning and cleaning and cleaning.

He was cleaning the limo after bringing a group that was arriving/departing on a business jet and found a plastic revolver, chambered for .38 in the back seat unloaded. Glass filled plastic, looking like a regular revolver. It likely would have fired proper bullets as the barrel was unobstructed and it had a metal firing pin. Aparently the only metal on it was the pin, springs, and a few screws.

I do not know the rest of the story, but I did get to see the weapon before I presume it was destroyed. This company serviced police helicopters as well, so I am sure disposal was not an issue.

This was in the 90's and being a private facility there was no security checkpoint.

Phil

[Akarui]

When I first came to CO back in the 90's I didn't know it was an open carry state. I was a bit shocked to see people just walking around with weapons on their hip. Perfectly legal so long as its not concealed. I think its only for handguns though as I have never seen anyone with a rifle. Shocked the hell out of my sister when she came to visit. The part that shocks me the most is you can still find plenty of people who carry openly even in the big cities like Denver.