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Topgumby
02-08-2011, 07:35 PM
Yikes. First one. Doc gave me some pain meds and some Flomax and wished me luck.

Anybody got any stories about how passing a stone was like frolicking with Teddy Bears and Fuzzy Bunnies in a sunlit meadow?

Tales of excruciating agony need not apply.

As a last resort, I'm thinking of massive quantities of The Veg in a manner not recommended by the manufacturer.

Oh, and to make it really fun I'm supposed to get on a plane the day after tomorrow for vacation.

"TopGumby, you've just passed an 8MM stone while reeking of Lilac Vegetal and simpering like a little girl....What next?"

"I'm going to Disneyland! Yeah!"

instpasr
02-08-2011, 07:40 PM
I have no words man, helped take several out over the years. :crying:

The Nid Hog
02-08-2011, 07:41 PM
Ouch!

My brother passed one at Parris Island. I don't think any frolicking was involved, but he said that it wasn't the worst thing that happened to him there.

Hope the process is swift and painless.

Topgumby
02-08-2011, 07:47 PM
...
My brother passed one at Parris Island. I don't think any frolicking was involved, but he said that it wasn't the worst thing that happened to him there......

I don't know if that's comforting, frightening, or both.

Dustinl
02-08-2011, 07:56 PM
I passed a 7mm kidney stone last year. Same with me, vicodin and Flomax. I have never experienced such aweful pain and suffering in my life. It took two weeks for mine to pass. Several times I cried like a little girl, and I think I may have even contemplated suicide. The painful part is from your kidney to your bladder. Once the stone reaches your bladder, it feels as is the weight of the world has been lifted off of you. I wouldn't recommend a kidney stone to anyone:001_smile. They say what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. I don't know if that's true but I certainly don't want to go through that again.

Funny thing is I remember when I was a little boy, my dad had one. It is etched into my brain what he went through. too bad I had to experience it as well.

Good Luck to you, and God bless.


DL

danparker77
02-08-2011, 08:00 PM
Top, by your guidlines I can't "apply". I will say if they have to use a laser to break it up being it is too big to pass..... PM me I can offer some advice! I don't envy you, good luck!

Obsessed
02-08-2011, 08:02 PM
Tales of excruciating agony need not apply.


I have never experienced such aweful pain and suffering in my life.

:001_rolle

Good luck, man! I hope you can enjoy your vacation.

Topgumby
02-08-2011, 08:06 PM
I passed a 7mm kidney stone last year. Same with me, vicodin and Flomax. It was like being caressed by a host of busty angels while soft music played in the background, only much better.

Good Luck to you, and God bless.


DL


There, fixed that for you. :sneaky2:

Dustinl
02-08-2011, 08:11 PM
:lol: I sincerely apologize. You just need to know what to expect. I would recommend the ultrasonic or laser treatment rather than putting yourself through hell. If it becomes lodged, you'll have to get it broken up anyway.

With that being said, I feel your pain and totally sympathize with you.


DL

rajagra
02-08-2011, 08:15 PM
Don't they use ultrasound to break them up any more?

Dustinl
02-08-2011, 08:24 PM
I know that its no excuse for being an idiot, but here goes; I am on my iPhone and really misread the o.p. My apologies go out to everybody. I would never intentionally go against the o.p.'s request. I know the damage has been done and again, I apologize.

DL

Topgumby
02-08-2011, 08:27 PM
No damage at all. If'n it's as bad as you say, I've been warned, and if it goes easier, I'll feel lucky.

Seriously, as a longtime Williams user, I feel at least a little prepared....:lol::blink:

beginish
02-08-2011, 09:33 PM
Top, I'm sure the docs told you this, but keep drinking. The more you drink, the more you keep enough flow to flush it out. I can't give you kittens and rainbows, but my first one passed very quickly, I didn't need the meds, and it made it's way outside with no muss or fuss. Also, that Flo-Max is a godsend.

Mycon
02-08-2011, 10:18 PM
Top, I'm sure the docs told you this, but keep drinking. The more you drink, the more you keep enough flow to flush it out. I can't give you kittens and rainbows, but my first one passed very quickly, I didn't need the meds, and it made it's way outside with no muss or fuss. Also, that Flo-Max is a godsend.

So in other words, he needs to medicate himself.
He could get the kittens and rainbows depending on what it is he's drinking :a54:

Northern Bob
02-08-2011, 10:33 PM
The 4 stages of a kidney stone:

1. Swearing.
2. Screaming.
3. Praying.
4. All of the above.

I hear you man. Just when you think it can't hurt more, it does.

Good luck.

smarttowers
02-08-2011, 11:00 PM
They weren't sure if what I had was a kidney stone or not but I'll say this I don't ever want whatever it was again.

That said I knew a woman when I was in college at the time she said that she's had 2 kids and a kidney stone, she'd rather have 6 more kids then one more kidney stone. She said the kidney stone was much worse pain then giving birth.

Rapier
02-08-2011, 11:13 PM
The only condition that even women agree is worst than delivering. Take your Flomax, stay hydrated, and pray it is under 7mm. If you can tolerate them, add NSAIDs to your analgesics as it helps control pain, esp the colicky aspect.

The ER where I work is at a "quaternary" care center where the ESWL treatments (shockwave) are done for many other hospitals ... you do NOT want an obstructive stone ... double J tubes, re-imaging with radiation exposure, ESWL, passing sand, etc ...

I sincerely hope it's tiny and that you sir have ureters as wide as a LA highways :thumbup:

place
02-09-2011, 12:07 AM
They weren't sure if what I had was a kidney stone or not but I'll say this I don't ever want whatever it was again.

That said I knew a woman when I was in college at the time she said that she's had 2 kids and a kidney stone, she'd rather have 6 more kids then one more kidney stone. She said the kidney stone was much worse pain then giving birth.

Kidney stone is a nightmare.

Black Adder
02-09-2011, 02:09 AM
In 2010, I passed 5 stones throughtout the year without too much discomfort. I've been dealing with these things for about 30 years.

2 weeks ago I was in the emergency room for one. My blood pressure, normally very normal, was sky-high. They told me it was because I was in such pain. I passed it later that day.

You need to dilute your urine, it's as simple as that. There are no magic drinks you can take, despite what everyone will tell you. I try and get at least 3 liters of water through me every day. Medical stone analysis and a 24 hour urine collection and test can help determine what the stones are made of and what you can do to your diet and lifestyle to help.

You do have my sympathies. I've been dealing with these a long time.

Don

DavyRay
02-09-2011, 02:12 AM
Kittens and Rainbows to you!

When I took my wife to the hospital for a kidney stone, the usually-sceptical ER staff was offering her pain medication first-thing, before she was through being admitted. I was impressed.

BCatl
02-09-2011, 03:12 AM
My dad had a problem with this back in the 1960s. He ended up with some impressive scars from surgery back in those days. It seems they have more options today.

the beav
02-09-2011, 05:24 AM
You might try this. I've never had a kidney stone so I can't say if it works or not. But he says it does, it's easy, and it doesn't cost that much:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVjLdBwTVjM

urr-lord
02-09-2011, 06:05 AM
i have had them for years,passed a 6.5 about 8 years ago and numerous smaller ones.one thing you can do that will help is lots of water,cranberry juice(to help prevent secondary problems).
soaking in a hot tub while consuming a few beers(adult bev of your choice) is good.the beer moves through your system ,the alcohol relaxes muscles as does the hot water soak.adding epsom salts helps also.
mallow tea,if there is a healthfood store nearby is said to soften them so they are easier to pass.there are a few other herbal remedies but i am not sure of their efficacy.
lithotripsy-- ultra sound used to bust the stones is much better than the old catheter methods.trust me on that one.
i have met satan and he is a urologist.

Pkrankow
02-09-2011, 06:05 AM
My stone was passed by the time I got the cat scan. Hurt more than my gall bladder. My wife was very worried, but they gave me a wonderful shot of Cloud9 in the ER and by the time I was allowed to drive again it was all over.

There, that's as close to puppies, kittens and busty angels I can give you. Being on Cloud 9 and tking a nap was pretty good though.

Phil

luvmysuper
02-09-2011, 06:12 AM
When I passed mine, it was virtually unnoticed.
If I hadn't been peeing in a strainer, I wouldn't even have known it went through.
The last day or so before it passed I felt pretty good, and was about ready to just give up on the strainer thing.





But the week leading up to it were pure hell and agony. No matter which way you sit, stand, lay or lean you are sure that if you just do one of the others the pain will stop.
The constant repositioning to get comfortable seemed never ending.
Good luck, hope you feel better soon.

Baloosh
02-09-2011, 06:17 AM
Sucks, brother. I've had them 3 times in my life. All 3 times were licorice fields and gumball clouds*. Drink lots of water!

Best of luck to you.



*horrible, horrible pain.

Dustinl
02-09-2011, 06:45 AM
You might try this. I've never had a kidney stone so I can't say if it works or not. But he says it does, it's easy, and it doesn't cost that much:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVjLdBwTVjM

This guy needs to win the Nobel Peace Prize.




DL

Walt Whitman
02-09-2011, 08:28 AM
Have gotten them like clockwork every 3 years from my teen years. Drink lots of water, I mean LOTS AND LOTS of water. The point is to flood your kidneys to evacuate that stone. I have talked to women that have had kids and stones; as smarttowers has already mentioned, all have said ... well, you know where that goes.

As someone important once said, "This, too, shall pass!" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_too_shall_pass) Hope yours does soon!

Walt Whitman
02-09-2011, 08:36 AM
This guy needs to win the Nobel Peace Prize.




DL

I think you mean the Nobel Pees Prize.

jakespoppy
02-09-2011, 08:39 AM
I "learned" online that drinking (a lot of) olive oil would make kidney stones slippery enough to slide right out. It didn't. When I told my urologist what I had read online, she laughed and said "When the oil gets to your stomach it's hit with stomach acid and digested, so that by the time it gets to where the stones are, it's no longer slippery." She then laughed, and said "Can you imagine some people try things they read on the internet like that?". Of course, I laughed with her, that same laugh that says "how riduculous", and said "No, I can't imagine how anyone would be silly enough to do that!" :001_rolle

I learned that 4 to 8 years of education and training to get a medical degree with a specialization better prepares one to diagnose and treat some medical issues than half an hour browsing the internet.

I also learned that drinking large quantities of olive oil can have unpleasant side effects....:blushing:

Thebigspendur
02-09-2011, 09:09 AM
I've had them. It's all a matter of size and shape. If they are pretty round and smooth and not too big often times they will pass with minimal pain and fast. If they are larger and shaped like a straight razor you are in for it.

I was told by my MD the sound machine is not the panacea they thought. often times one stone will break into many smaller and knife edged stones.

There is no cure and if you produce them it's a lifetime problem though they say the older you get the less likely you are to get them. If you have one just drink loads of water and have pain meds close at hand. If you anticipate travel get it imaged so you know the size and shape. The last place I would want to be with a major attack is on a plane at 30,000 feet.

masonjarjar
02-09-2011, 10:01 AM
#1 - Huge Boulder. Had to have a "Lithotrypsy" procedure. They lower you in a tank of water and break the thing up with shock waves.

#2 - Actually passed the thing IN the doctors office while creating a "sample" - the nurses were amused.

#3 - Passed it at home.

I have to say the 1st one was the most painful. #2 and #3 weren't really that painful at all, at least not the pain I had like the 1st one. Just some lower back pain mostly. Ever since I've tried to make sure I drink a ton of water.

Mojo88
02-09-2011, 10:49 AM
Prevention of stones :Taking zinc helps.. drinking more water helps... a glass of lemonade every nighy helps(the real stuff,not a powder)
I actually think the stent after surgery is worse than the stone....The last one I had was 3cm..I passed fragments for 2 weeks..Until it passes warm baths and pain medication seem to ease the pain the most. Good luck...

Shave A Buck
02-09-2011, 02:31 PM
Been -there- done that about a year ago. No one will ever know your pain until this happens. What on earth did they do before pain meds I will never know. There is not enough rawhide in the world to chew on in that instance.

the beav
02-09-2011, 02:40 PM
I "learned" online that drinking (a lot of) olive oil would make kidney stones slippery enough to slide right out. It didn't.

Hmmm...that doesn't make sense because the gallbladder releases bile to help digest the fat, where it is then absorbed in the intestines. It doesn't seem like the kidneys would play into it at all.

Again, I don't know if the "lemon cure" works or not, but this article from CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/24/health/webmd/main1653742.shtml) seems to suggest it might.

Also, I guess that anyone doing a lemon flush should rinse their mouth out with water and baking soda afterwards since your tooth enamel can be damaged by the acid. Lemon juice has a pH of around 2.0, Coke has pH of about 3.5, and baking soda has a pH of about 8.2.

Walt Whitman
02-10-2011, 06:35 AM
... What on earth did they do before pain meds I will never know. There is not enough rawhide in the world to chew on in that instance.

In pre-historic times, the lucky kidney stone recipient would agonizingly crawl out of and away from the cave, so his wailing would not endanger the rest of the cave community. Hearing the loud crying, man-eating animals within wailing distance would follow the sobs and moans, and eat the poor soul, putting him out of his intense misery.

Gravy
02-10-2011, 07:49 AM
I recall mine being the worst the first couple days when I fianally went to the ER in the middle of the night. But when I got there, because the pain is intermittent, I could only tell the lady doing triage that my pain was a "2" on a scale of 1-10.
Vicodin was the best medicine for me.
But if I may, let me prescribe some laughter also.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-JRQXYy9wk

Thebigspendur
02-10-2011, 08:35 AM
My MD told me of the lemonade thing and I tried it and it did not work. What I've found does work is get some tincture of Hydrangae from a health store and a few drops a couple times a day for a few weeks then stop a few weeks on and off seemed to work for me.

Unless you have had a bad attack it's impossible to describe what it is to someone who hasn't experienced it. There is no frame of reference. The only thing I'll say is it's not that you feel you are going to die you just wish you would hurry up and die. Safe to say if you have a bad one "you will assume the position".

Black Adder
02-10-2011, 05:07 PM
Sadly, nothing "works," whether it's lemon juice/lemonade or tincture of hydrangea. While the video from this fellow is okay, the only thing he's achieving is increasing the citrate level in his body, which helps to counter high oxalate levels. He's not dissolving anything by doing this; human physiology doesn't allow almost pure acids to flow through the body, dissolving stones in their path. If it did, we'd all drink a glass of "CLR" and everything would be fine. The quick cure is simply not out there.

Stones are a long-term, recurring affliction based on metabolism. If your father or mother had stones, there's a good chance you'll get them, too. You can go for years without experiencing problems, and that can make you drop your guard. Drink WATER. Lots of it. Most people drink only when they're thirsty, and I believe a lot of people are actually dehydrated to a certain degree. After my last surgery for these demons I made up my mind that I would push more water through me every day, and it has given results.

If some of you are still looking for help, there is a supplement called Theralith XR. It's a magnesium citrate/B6 blend that has clinically been proven to reduce oxalate levels in the body. It's made to help with calcium oxalate stones which are the most common type.

To all of you fellow members of the Renal Calculi Brotherhood, I tip my cap. All of your anecdotes and tales have been experienced by myself in one way or another. May future passages be smooth and relatively pain-free!

Don

instpasr
02-10-2011, 06:10 PM
One of the reasons that you have to strain your urine is so that the stone can be retrieved and taken to the lab for analysis. Once the composition of the stone is known avoiding certain things like diet drinks for example can reduce the likely hood of recurrence. When I was a very young Surgery Tech there was an ongoing unofficial study in our OR that found that drinkers of diet pop had a higher rate of stones, mind you it was anecdotal.

Gravy
02-11-2011, 07:05 AM
One of the reasons that you have to strain your urine is so that the stone can be retrieved and taken to the lab for analysis. Once the composition of the stone is known avoiding certain things like diet drinks for example can reduce the likely hood of recurrence. When I was a very young Surgery Tech there was an ongoing unofficial study in our OR that found that drinkers of diet pop had a higher rate of stones, mind you it was anecdotal.

That is exactly how I got mine. I got laid off from an office job and picked up a more labor intensive job in the spring. I went all summer sweating bullets and drinking diet pepsi instead of water while at work. By September I was passing mine.

It's the only stone I've had so I'm not really prone to get them but that's the recipe for how I acquired mine. Towards the end I was also drinking a bit of tea in the evenings and I now avoid tea as well.

kwk285
02-11-2011, 07:51 AM
I read this this article in the Seattle Times this morning. It is about a nurse that didn't give a patient all of his pain medication as he was being prepped for kidney stone surgery. She took the rest of the medication herself. I can't even imagine the pain.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/health/2014190590_nurse11.html

The Nid Hog
02-11-2011, 09:19 AM
Any sitreps? Hope everything...er...worked out OK.

Grace
02-11-2011, 09:31 AM
My dad's had several over the last couple of years. In one case, the pain was so bad it literally made him sick. In another case, while at the hospital, he was instructed to not drink any water because it was supposedly too big to pass and they'd have to operate. After suffering for hours, he got so fed up he snuck himself some water and passed it no problem.

instpasr
02-11-2011, 01:04 PM
Any sitreps? Hope everything...er...worked out OK.

I hope everything is passing along because Tops been AWOL for a couple of days.

DavyRay
02-11-2011, 04:42 PM
I hope everything is passing along because Tops been AWOL for a couple of days.

He did say he was about to go on vacation.

The Nid Hog
02-16-2011, 12:30 PM
Any news yet? Hope you're passed--I mean past--the problem.

Blue Raccoon
02-16-2011, 02:16 PM
Deadwood - Al passes kidney stones

hopefully YMMV


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZj7H8sfkR0

diverdoug
02-16-2011, 02:20 PM
Don't they use ultrasound to break them up any more?

Extracorporeal ShockWave Lithotripsy (ESWL) is still a frequent treatment modality for nephrolithiasis, but laser lithotripsy is becoming more common when renal calculus fragmentation is required.

gollum83
02-16-2011, 04:01 PM
Oh, kidney stones. What fun. Let's see, I passed my first one almost two years ago, to the day, in the emergency room. I had driven myself to the local hospital in the middle of night after spending a good two hours hugging the toilet for dear life because I was vomiting until there was nothing left to vomit, wondering if my left testicle was going to explode. Got there in one piece and was forced to wait several hours to be seen because the flu conveniently decided to roll into town in full force. Passed the darn thing about thirty minutes before they saw me. Needless to say, I wasn't happy. If I wanted to sit around for several hours with pain meds, waiting for it to pass, I would have just stayed home. :glare:

Oh sorry, right, no tales of excruciating agony. Um, kidney stones, passed them before, no sweat. :001_rolle

Kevan
02-16-2011, 04:10 PM
Extracorporeal ShockWave Lithotripsy (ESWL) is still a frequent treatment modality for nephrolithiasis, but laser lithotripsy is becoming more common when renal calculus fragmentation is required.
Gotta love doctorspeak. Written a journal article lately? :laugh::lol:

diverdoug
02-16-2011, 05:22 PM
Gotta love doctorspeak. Written a journal article lately? :laugh::lol:

Guilty. Sometimes I forget to speak English! :laugh:

Topgumby
02-16-2011, 09:12 PM
Well, back from the land of the Mouse, and so far, no gut-wrenching tales of agony, although there was some severe discomfort. Haven't had the classic symptoms, I guess, although I did have a couple of incidents like Phil described earlier.

Perhaps I've dodged the bullet, perhaps not. Time will tell.

diverdoug
02-17-2011, 07:29 AM
Glad you are feeling better.

instpasr
02-17-2011, 10:17 AM
Glad you're doing better Top.

gollum83
02-17-2011, 04:09 PM
Could just be the calm before the storm, my friend, although I certainly wish not.

OldSchoolYoungin
02-17-2011, 11:40 PM
The only thing that "works" is to get that rotten rock out of your system.

Pain? I had them when I was 12, thanks mom (hereditary)! None ever since, thankfully...

I forget the name of the procedure, but it involved some sort of technical machine thingy doing it's job as only a technical machine thingy does and zapping the crap out of your gut rocks. If this explanation is over your head, please PM me for more details :lol:

The time leading up to the procedure was horrific, but afterwards, let's just say that purple squirrels and albino wombats are very interesting creatures!

Best of luck to you!

gollum83
02-19-2011, 05:22 AM
You had one when you were twelve?!?! :eek:

Alacrity59
02-19-2011, 04:42 PM
The only thing that "works" is to get that rotten rock out of your system.

Pain? I had them when I was 12, thanks mom (hereditary)! None ever since, thankfully...

I forget the name of the procedure, but it involved some sort of technical machine thingy doing it's job as only a technical machine thingy does and zapping the crap out of your gut rocks. If this explanation is over your head, please PM me for more details :lol:

The time leading up to the procedure was horrific, but afterwards, let's just say that purple squirrels and albino wombats are very interesting creatures!

Best of luck to you!

Probably the famous machine that goes "Ping!". I'm not aware of anybody in my family who has passed a stone . . . probably our Canadian sarcastic nature is caustic enough to keep protecting us.

DavyRay
02-19-2011, 05:34 PM
I know someone who had lithotripsy. The newspaper described it as sitting in a bathtub with gentle vibrations in the water. My dad thought it was more like sitting in a swimming pool while someone threw sticks of dynamite into the water.

diverdoug
02-19-2011, 06:11 PM
I know someone who had lithotripsy. The newspaper described it as sitting in a bathtub with gentle vibrations in the water. My dad thought it was more like sitting in a swimming pool while someone threw sticks of dynamite into the water.

We usually give a general anesthetic for lithotripsy.

beginish
02-19-2011, 06:23 PM
We usually give a general anesthetic for lithotripsy.

That's what they did with me. Thank god. The bruise that device left was, um, significant.

Mojo88
02-19-2011, 08:38 PM
We usually give a general anesthetic for lithotripsy.


I was wating for my lithotripsy to begin and I was placed next to a paitent that just had the surgery done. He was asked by the nurses if he wanted pain medication.
He said in a very condensending tone that he had a high tolerence to pain and he didn't want or need that crap.
I just smiled and looked at my wife as the pain is not horrible after the procedure, but it is very uncomfortable. After 5 minutes his wife came over to the nurse and in a very low voice ask for pain medication. I started to laugh and the nurse giving me my IV started to laugh so hard she had to stop putting in my IV. So much for tough guys.:lol: