Bigfoot fact or fiction!

[BigFoot]

I thought I would post this thread, we were talking about this today at work. I thought it might open some interesting discussion.

The year was 1983 I was 17 years old and me and a buddy were out coon hunting. We were in the river bottoms of the Wapsipinnicon River near Massilon IA. We were hunting with a pair of Walkers a 6 year old male and his two year old daughter. The Male was a superb dog and the female was coming along nicely.

We were sitting in a heavy grove of Evergreens when the female yelped so we new she was on the trail of something. My buddy who owned the dogs said he was going to start moving toward her, I said I would stay put in case the other dog treed somewhere else. It was probably 10 minutes later and she started barking way down the river so I figured cool she has got a coon treed.

I just sat there listening to her bark and also listening for the other dog. All of a sudden I heard this unexplainable sound, it almost sounded like a whoop, howl. I may have been young but I grew up in those woods and I have never heard anything like it. I can still remember the hair literaly standing up on the back of my neck.

Even at night the woods are never silent but after this sound you could have heard a pin drop. Even the female stopped barking. I was literaly paralyzed with fear. It was not 30 seconds later I heard a crashing in the brush and something charging right for me. I was armed with a .22 magnum, but that did not give me much comfort. The object that was charging toward me burst out of the brush, it was the male Walker. He ran right up to me circled me once forced his way between my legs, stuck his tale between his legs and stood there and shook.

My buddy and I were going to meet back at the truck at a designated time so I headed that way a bit early. That dog never left my side. When we got to the truck he about knocked me down in his haste to kennel. When my buddy got to the truck over an hour later I told him what happened. He never heard a thing but new something was wrong because his other dog was scared as well.

That weekend myself and 2 other guys took the boat up river to our favorite pond where we were always guaranteed to pick up some woodies. It was still dark and we were tying up the boat and heard that same sound. We did not duck hunt that day. We put the hammer down on the boat and got the hell out of there.

I know you all will laugh and think I am crazy but I have never forgotten those two occasions, nor have I ever heard anything like that again. Ever since that night I have been facinated with Bigfoot. A couple of years ago I found a website called the Bigfoot field research organization. They have recordings on there of possible Bigfoot vocalizations.

This is right on the money of what I heard. http://www.bfro.net/REF/Puyallubigfeet.wav

[sandmountainslim]

Interesting stories and this fascinates me also.

1978 we had reports of Bigfoot here in North Alabama, I was eight years old and can remember looking at VERY large footprints in a neighbors chickenhouse.
Another story locally from the same time period involved a guy whom I know who was parking with a date on an old abandoned dirt road who to this day swears he saw a sasquatch that evening. Locals still call that road "Bigfoot Road" because a number of people claimed an encounter there.

Cryptozoology is interesting indeed.
Wp

[mandoman]

kreepy,but fiction after all these years no one has ever found one dead or alive

[Dustinl]

I have an uncle who lives in Eureka, California. He claims one crossed a logging road in front of him as he driving out of the forest at dusk.



DL

[ouch]

I was once bitten by a chupacabra.

[mmack66]

I would fudge my undies if I was out in the woods and heard a sound like that.

[DSB]

I was once bitten by a chupacabra.

Oh, sorry, that was me. My bad.

[Dustinl]

I was once bitten by a chupacabra.
We have those nasty, vile, wicked creatures here in Texas.:lol:

I would fudge my undies if I was out in the woods and heard a sound like that.
:lol::lol::lol:


DL

[DFrancis]

I was once bitten by a chupacabra.

that explains it.


Every so often something new or something we thought lost for years turns up on a thick forest someplace.

[mdunn]

Every so often something new or something we thought lost for years turns up on a thick forest someplace.

In the deep ocean, or in a remote forest in the middle of nowhere, sure. Continental united states? I don't think so.

We're not talking a new species of frog here, something small that most people wouldnt notice.

There is nothing that can convince me, short of a body, that there is a breeding population of large apeman running about in the woods when there is 0 evidence to confirm (eyewitness testimony is interesting, but not evidence. Im talking actual evidence here). How many hunters roam about the states that would shoot one if seen, how many people have gone hiking in the forest and never stumbled across one that has died of natural causes, how many of every other animal has been hit by a truck crossing a road - but never a big foot has been found.

Seriously guys, this is like the easter bunny - awesome story, very cool folklore, but as fictional as the tooth fairy.

[instpasr]

The skeptic in me is disinclined to believe in big foot but I want to believe. Maybe they have a commune in the appalachians.

[The Nid Hog]

Interesting that this thread has started not long after the Ghost Hunters one went up. The paranormal and cryptozoological must be in the air! I don't believe in bigfoot, but I think that the people who do believe are worth thinking about. Just like the Ghost Hunters, their passion and devotion are fascinating. There are many people who feel very strongly about their experiences and i can respect that.

[binowatch]

There is a tenured biology professor at the nearby Univ of Idaho who is always appearing on Monster Quest and similar shows as a supporter of the existence of Bigfoot.
Whenever I meet a faculty member from there I ask if they know him-invariably, before I can get his whole name out they cut me off, expressing their embarrassment of his very existence and sometimes saying that he is the best argument again tenure!!

[j19bill]

Sure bigfoot is real. They have his head on display in Lebanon,TN.

http://civilwarsaga.homestead.com/Z_SUGARFLATCREATURE.html

[Dustinl]

In the deep ocean, or in a remote forest in the middle of nowhere, sure. Continental united states? I don't think so.

We're not talking a new species of frog here, something small that most people wouldnt notice.

There is nothing that can convince me, short of a body, that there is a breeding population of large apeman running about in the woods when there is 0 evidence to confirm (eyewitness testimony is interesting, but not evidence. Im talking actual evidence here). How many hunters roam about the states that would shoot one if seen, how many people have gone hiking in the forest and never stumbled across one that has died of natural causes, how many of every other animal has been hit by a truck crossing a road - but never a big foot has been found.

Seriously guys, this is like the easter bunny - awesome story, very cool folklore, but as fictional as the tooth fairy.

I agree with this post. Not trying to knock or discount Scott's OP, but I believe if there were such a creature, it would have been found by now. I also think about all the motion sensor game camera's that hunters have mounted to trees to see what wildlife are in the area. It seems that one of these cameras would have taken a convincing photograph by now.


DL

[Kevan]

I want to believe. I do. On the one hand:

1. The habitat is vast, as is the food supply. It's possible.
2. Tons of sightings
3. Recent evidence found in China regarding fur and DNA samples is very interesting.

On the other hand:

1. Too many claims are faked
2. Not enough people who see the creature DOCUMENT it (hunters and "backwoods" people who never take pictures or videos)
3. These creatures need to breed, especially if Bigfoot is (or is a descendant of) Gigantopithecus. To be around this long, a healthy breeding stock is needed or they would've died out long ago.

[GrooveDachshund]

Disclaimer: I completely agree with you guys from a purely scientific perspective.
However, I like a quote from a movie I heard a while back; "Humans, just because we can solve a few mathematical equations, we think we know what is and isn't possible".
I'm not personally an alien, ghost, or even a bigfoot believer, but I do know that things continue to occur that we can't explain, creatures exist that we are clueless about, and thinking we have the answer to everything is foolish. Things we know to be impossible are constantly occurring around us, and there is a chance, even if it is nearly 0, that bigfoot exists. I look forward to the day when these, and other mysteries, are explained in a way that we can all understand. For example, the chupacabra sightings have all but been explained by animals bloating in the sun, and canines/vuples with mange.

[Kevan]

I don't want to derail the thread too much, but I think you hit on an important point there. Particularly if you look at aliens, who are we to say they don't exist? Claims have been faked, but how sure can we possibly be that "we're the only ones?" Seriously?

Space is vast. Incredibly vast. To paraphrase the movie "Contact," if we're the only ones, what a massive waste of space! I personally believe it is incredibly arrogant of us as a species to say that there is absolutely no chance of intelligent life outside this planet.

With that said though, I am a believer, and I also believe in alien visitations here. I believe evidence has been suppressed and an attitude of skepticism encouraged....because it would be a SHATTERING revelation if it came out. People of various religions would be forced to soul-search or redefine their beliefs to fit the revelation. Worldwide, our lives would change in an instant. There's a chance there could be mass hysteria. Not to mention what would happen on a geopolitical level if it came out that the US and Russia have gleaned technology from alien diplomacy or from salvaged wreckage.

So there's a case to be made for a keeping a skeptic public in the status quo. ;)

[instpasr]

There's a big foot show on history right now.

[DFrancis]

Seriously guys, this is like the easter bunny - awesome story, very cool folklore, but as fictional as the tooth fairy.

Wait a minute, what are you saying about the Easter bunny?

[Walker]

You never know what's out there. Some of these guys i work with should be studied much less Bigfoot.

[mdunn]

I don't want to derail the thread too much, but I think you hit on an important point there. Particularly if you look at aliens, who are we to say they don't exist? Claims have been faked, but how sure can we possibly be that "we're the only ones?" Seriously?

Space is vast. Incredibly vast. To paraphrase the movie "Contact," if we're the only ones, what a massive waste of space! I personally believe it is incredibly arrogant of us as a species to say that there is absolutely no chance of intelligent life outside this planet.

With that said though, I am a believer, and I also believe in alien visitations here. I believe evidence has been suppressed and an attitude of skepticism encouraged....because it would be a SHATTERING revelation if it came out. People of various religions would be forced to soul-search or redefine their beliefs to fit the revelation. Worldwide, our lives would change in an instant. There's a chance there could be mass hysteria. Not to mention what would happen on a geopolitical level if it came out that the US and Russia have gleaned technology from alien diplomacy or from salvaged wreckage.

So there's a case to be made for a keeping a skeptic public in the status quo. ;)

now sure how any of this relates.... but.....

given the vastness of the universe, I think I would be most surprised if there wernt aliens out there somewhere... visiting earth with nothing better to do than probe farmers behinds.. well.. thats another thing altogether.

I dont understand how people can think a modern govermnet (or from your post above, TWO modern governments) could keep such a thing under wraps. There would have to be hundreds, if not thousands of people in the loop to salvage the technology, transport it, develop it etc - and not 1, not a single 1 has ever come to the surface with some evidence (obviously discounting the crackpots who brought the mysterious 'pictograph' tape from the roswell site which was childrens sticky tape used last minute on a weather baloon). Governments that dont leak stuff either accidentally, or to get political points? seriously now.

The argument against this is that people who do are silenced by this all powerful, no stuffups ever government (doesnt sound like any government I know!) - if thats the case why are there so many authors writing about it, people posting on shaving forums about it?

if it was such a deadly secret why dont all the thousands of people who go to UFO conventions dissapear?

EVEN IF there were aliens visiting - why would they come all this way just to make crop circles and cut up livestock. Would it seriously be worth an alien coming light years to meet us and then going 'hmm, instead of meeting this culture, I will see what happens when I insert my probe into this here cow'.

you talk of technology gleaned.. what technology - there isnt a one that hasnt been built 'on the shoulders of giants' from years and years of preceding research.

you seem to have this knowledge that there are aliens visiting - is your faith shattered? have you gone looting? did you jump off a roof because there was no way you could live in a world with little green men? of course not - and theres no reason why anyone else would either. There is no reason for a gov to keep this under wraps, and a million reasons to reveal it - not limited to 'my country is so awesome that the aliens decided to land here.. nobody mess with us because we now have alien deathrays!'

(apologies in advance to anyone I offend - magical fantasy stuff like this, and bigfood, and ghosts, and the evils of parabens etc really make my blood boil more than anything else)

[BigFoot]

Maybe I should not have posted a Bigfoot thread. I do not want to boil anyones blood. Something I can not explain happened that night. I am not saying it was Bigfoot. But it was still creepy. I have spent the next 27 years in the woods and have never experienced anything even remotely similiar. Hence the title of my post. The sane part of me says it was something natural. The kid in me wants to believe.

[DavyRay]

The Arizona legislature surely seems to believes in aliens. They have written a law requiring local police to detain aliens. Area 51 meets Guantanamo. Bigfoot is hiding in a camp of agricultural workers renting rooms by the week without toilets in the house.

[Kouros]

Just a myth to give attention to places that would otherwise get none.

[gull]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgZt57o8t-U

:lol:

[tpoof]

may have seen one while fishing... not really sure..

[ramon]

kreepy,but fiction after all these years no one has ever found one dead or alive

thats why bigfoot is the most inteligent animal of all :thumbup:

[BigFoot]

may have seen one while fishing... not really sure..

Even I the OP has to laugh at that one. :lol::lol::lol:

[gaseousclay]

Bigfoot you say? I didn't know this thread was gonna be about my coworker. I thought something was up when I noticed his back-hair making it's way out of his shirt :lol:

[masonjarjar]

Space is vast. Incredibly vast. To paraphrase the movie "Contact," if we're the only ones, what a massive waste of space! I personally believe it is incredibly arrogant of us as a species to say that there is absolutely no chance of intelligent life outside this planet.


The problem is.. we're not only talking about vast space, but also vast timescales. We've (intelligent humans) been around a blink of an eye, not that even. The start of a blink. Radio communication? Forget it.. a microsecond. The odds of another civilation being at the point where A) they can communicate interstellarly B) we can understand what they're saying C) they want to be heard or D) they're listening for us .. the odds get worse and worse once you consider all these factors that we'll ever swap signals, so to speak. Even if the galaxy were teeming with life, the odds are long we'll hook up any time soon.

[maxman]

Oh I don't know... I like urban legends and mysterious things.
BIg Foot is one that I never spent a lot of time on though.

Could be it exists. I prefer things like the dyatlov pass incident or the chase vault mystery. Oh and let's not forget Oak Island. Classic.

[luvmysuper]

I want to see a "Ghost Chasers" episode where they film Bigfoot riding the Loch Ness Monster while jousting with a Chupacabra riding a Yeti.

That would be much more interesting than the episode where they interviewed Vampires and Werewolves who had been abducted by Aliens.

[Bruce Wayne]

I regards to possible alien messages:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_source_SHGb02%2B14a

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow!_signal

[Bruce Wayne]

In regards to Bigfoot: even thought the continental US is very populated overall, there are still many places, especially out west of the Mississippi River & the Applachain regian that are sparsly populated. On top of that, humans cannot be everywhere at once. Even If you add into the equation motion sensing game camera traps, The CONUS still has a lot of territory that is not in use.

[BigFoot]

I want to see a "Ghost Chasers" episode where they film Bigfoot riding the Loch Ness Monster while jousting with a Chupacabra riding a Yeti.

That would be much more interesting than the episode where they interviewed Vampires and Werewolves who had been abducted by Aliens.

You sir can be replaced. :lol:

[ouch]

that explains it.


Every so often something new or something we thought lost for years turns up on a thick forest someplace.

http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/uploads/coelacanth4.jpg


There is a tenured biology professor at the nearby Univ of Idaho who is always appearing on Monster Quest and similar shows as a supporter of the existence of Bigfoot.
Whenever I meet a faculty member from there I ask if they know him-invariably, before I can get his whole name out they cut me off, expressing their embarrassment of his very existence and sometimes saying that he is the best argument again tenure!!

Is his first name Chad? :lol:

Me? I did see the Jersey Devils many times, before they moved to Newark. :thumbup1:

[Prince]

Reminds me of a guy my dad used to work with who was 6'-6" and about 300 pds of solid muscle.

I was about 14 and we went over to the guy's house and as we pulled up, I noticed he was wearing a black sweater. Since it was August, in Texas, I asked my dad why he was wearing a sweater.

My dad explained....he was not wearing a shirt.

So, yeah, bigfoot exists.

[mmack66]

Oh I don't know... I like urban legends and mysterious things.
BIg Foot is one that I never spent a lot of time on though.

Could be it exists. I prefer things like the dyatlov pass incident or the chase vault mystery. Oh and let's not forget Oak Island. Classic.

Oak Island is a good one.

[instpasr]

You knowbthey recently found a new species of large primate in Africa. :w00t:

[Mako72]

I have to go with yes they exist. My wife in her previous marraige lived in NE Washington state near the town of Colville. I have been up there and it is very remote country. She swears up and down that she has seen one, and I believe her. She is very observant and a grounded in reality type. Plus having worked long night shifts in open desert I have some things I am still not sure I saw but damn they are vivid:lol:!

I think we have to sometimes take things with an open mind. One only has to look at some of the animals that have gone from Cryptozoology to Zoology. Coelacanth, Megamouth Shark, and Giant Squid are just a few animals discovered/rediscovered in the last 75 years or so. Toss in animals like the Tasmanian Tiger that was said to be extinct and has been resighted and it shows that nature has a interesting way of proving itself.

Jay

PS Forgot to add an interesting factoid. Bigfoot hunting was made a felony in 1969 in Skamania Cty Wa.
http://www.skamaniacounty.org/ordinance/Bigfoot%20Ordinance%2069-01.pdf

[infotech]

I figured the Bigfoot went extinct in the late 70s...

Now about the alien talk.. My Dad listens to this program on AM radio called Coast to Coast and was really talking it up one evening and told me about a book which I can't recall the name of even though I read a good portion of it. The book is written by someone that was inside Roswell and knows all about the technology we gleaned from the aliens at the Roswell crash. One big thing he claims we took from the alien technology that propelled us into the computer age is integrated circuitry.. His argument is how did humans last thousands of years and then all of a sudden come into the digital age. Well according to him, it's because this technology was leaked into the scientific community by a select few individuals (mainly high ranking military personnel led by a few scientists) and the scientists developing it never knew where it came from and really believed they invented it themselves.

Do I believe all of this stuff? Not really, but it was fun to read and imagine it might be true.

[Confilo]

kreepy,but fiction after all these years no one has ever found one dead or alive

That is because when the Chupacabras were introduced into those woods they ate all the Bigfoots. Chupacabras don't even leave skin or bones.

[Kevan]

now sure how any of this relates.... but.....

given the vastness of the universe, I think I would be most surprised if there wernt aliens out there somewhere... visiting earth with nothing better to do than probe farmers behinds.. well.. thats another thing altogether.

I dont understand how people can think a modern govermnet (or from your post above, TWO modern governments) could keep such a thing under wraps. There would have to be hundreds, if not thousands of people in the loop to salvage the technology, transport it, develop it etc - and not 1, not a single 1 has ever come to the surface with some evidence (obviously discounting the crackpots who brought the mysterious 'pictograph' tape from the roswell site which was childrens sticky tape used last minute on a weather baloon). Governments that dont leak stuff either accidentally, or to get political points? seriously now.

The argument against this is that people who do are silenced by this all powerful, no stuffups ever government (doesnt sound like any government I know!) - if thats the case why are there so many authors writing about it, people posting on shaving forums about it?

if it was such a deadly secret why dont all the thousands of people who go to UFO conventions dissapear?

EVEN IF there were aliens visiting - why would they come all this way just to make crop circles and cut up livestock. Would it seriously be worth an alien coming light years to meet us and then going 'hmm, instead of meeting this culture, I will see what happens when I insert my probe into this here cow'.

you talk of technology gleaned.. what technology - there isnt a one that hasnt been built 'on the shoulders of giants' from years and years of preceding research.

you seem to have this knowledge that there are aliens visiting - is your faith shattered? have you gone looting? did you jump off a roof because there was no way you could live in a world with little green men? of course not - and theres no reason why anyone else would either. There is no reason for a gov to keep this under wraps, and a million reasons to reveal it - not limited to 'my country is so awesome that the aliens decided to land here.. nobody mess with us because we now have alien deathrays!'

(apologies in advance to anyone I offend - magical fantasy stuff like this, and bigfood, and ghosts, and the evils of parabens etc really make my blood boil more than anything else)
I haven't read a single book about UFO's and UFOlogy. I'm agnostic bordering on atheist, so my faith wouldn't be shattered if this came out. I'm not saying that I believe that the US and Russia have technology that they kept from the world (though, the Aurora Project, which really exists and the plane was sighted as late as last August in the US and UK, is....interesting.) I'm saying that in the Cold War climate of the late 40's, 50's, and early 60's, it's possible. A lot of crazy stuff happened. Old men, former officers, have come forward and attested to it, not just corporals and privates who saw lights in the sky at night.

As for crop circles, they have been explained and their origin is very much human. Claims of cattle mutilation vary from crazy publicity-seeking farmers to the just plain weird. "Ancient Astronaut" evidence ranges from the easily-explained to the just plain weird. The Nazca Lines were of human origin. Weird prehistoric cave paintings and ancient statuary can be attributed to very "human" flights of fancy. But there are some things that just can't be easily explained. Certain Mayan heiroglyphs, tomb reliefs in Egypt with interesting glyphs (the popular "helicopter" and "lightbulb" glyphs), and perhaps most telling, a site in Bolivia with such precision building techniques (precisely-cut 6mm grooves and holes in very hard stones, almost certainly with diamond-tipped drills, but would be difficult even today) that, to our knowledge, did not exist at the time to the particular culture that built it.

As a lifelong enthusiast of history and archaeology, I'm not going to say that these people needed aliens' help, just like the Egyptians built their stuff alone. But the available evidence at least points to the possibility that the site of Pumapunku has certain anomalies that are interesting enough to merit open-mindedness.

As for "There is no reason for a gov to keep this under wraps, and a million reasons to reveal it" -- are you sure about that? There are 6 billion people in the world, with varying degrees of education, cultural advancement, and many whose minds aren't open to change let alone anything contrary to their theological beliefs. Nations can't even get along on this planet. What do you think would happen if it comes out that we're part of a bigger galactic neighborhood? Just like the CIA and NSA keep secrets, just like every day the president is briefed on things that would make many people's toes curl in terms of global threats, there's PLENTY of reason to keep something like aliens secret. Ignorance is bliss.

[Phog Allen]

Well this is interesting. I am not going to say yea or nay about the existence of the large chap. What I will do is relate a few things about large predators and how your perception of their existence depends on your local geography and predisposition toward what is and is not "possible".

I live in Kansas. According to the Kansas Dept. of Wildlife and Parks, there hadn't been a mountain lion in Kansas since 1904. Any and all reports of said animals were either hoaxes or misidentified. Yet there had been reports of the beasts for decades. My dad saw them as a kid in the forties and fifties. He was an outdoors man of the first order and if he told you he saw something, he saw it. Period. He had hunted and bagged every game animal in the state multiple times. He did not wrongly identify animals in some state of excitement. The last one he saw was about fifteen years ago when it was attempting a raid on mom's chicken coop. He could not bring weapon to bear before the cat spotted him and bolted for cover. So where does this lead? Read on.

Recently there was an article in our local paper stating there is now a FIFTH confirmed mountain lion sighting in the state. Confirmed as in KDWP said it verified it. This does not take into account the numerous other sightings they denied were valid. Consider they did not even acknowledge their existence till a few years ago when a photo captured one on our local golf course! DNA testing of scat confirmed the cat was a mountain lion. The line always went like this; why would a lion walk from the Rockies into Kansas? Why would one walk from the south up to Missouri or Eastern Kansas? And the latest sighting was in Wichita which is smack dab in the middle of cattle country(prairie, no mountains or large river canopies to hide in) and they think it may indeed be an indigenous offspring since there have been no reports of released animals or escaped critters. That was always the excuse before. Even if there were big cats here, someone dropped them off. They could not be living here naturally, in the wild. Yet they are.

I have never found large cat bones in all my years of outdoor activities. I have never met or hunted with anyone who has either. As far as that goes I have not found coyote bones or bobcat bones though they exist here in abundant numbers. Ask hunters and farmers from Canada or Alaska how many times they have found bear carcasses in the wild. Almost never is the answer. And those are not exactly small animals. All I am saying is distances out here in the west are large. Much larger than most people from the coasts are used to dealing with. You would be surprised what is right in front of you at times. Even though there is evidently nothing but open flat ground all around you. You can literally walk right up to or over things you never thought could be there. Here are a couple of links to photos and stories of the non existent cats. Again, not saying anything pro or con about Bigfoot. Just saying about critters in populous areas.

Regards, Todd

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2003/oct/07/photo_shows_proof/

http://www.lawrence.com/news/2008/mar/10/cougar/

http://media.lawrence.com/img/photos/2008/03/10/leon_kansas_hoax_t640.jpg?a6ea3ebd4438a44b86d2e9c3 9ecf7613005fe067

http://media.lawrence.com/img/photos/2008/03/10/jakubauskas-motion_pic_t640.jpg?a6ea3ebd4438a44b86d2e9c39ecf76 13005fe067

[gaseousclay]

*puts on tinfoil hat*

[The Nid Hog]

Todd, I've heard exactly the same thing about wolves in Northwestern PA, where I grew up.

[gtoface]

i belive in them, just like i do ghosts and alians. its more fun to wonder, than be a tight wad who cant have a lil fun and try to shove it in peoples face that its fake or whatever, i think out of all the ghost stuff and alians stuff, and all that hype i think bigfoot is the most "possible" to happen.. i agree with alot of people. its real. to me

[gtoface]

im a trucker, and coast to coast is amazing. you all should tune into it sometime soon. its on very early though like 1 am or something.. ill tell ya i used to run from syracuse ny to w. springfield mass. every night and coming back from mass at like 1 am 2 am listining to that radio show with all the bigfoot talk and alians and crap running threw the mountains all alone freaked me the hell out. it was great i loved it.

[BigFoot]

Well this is interesting. I am not going to say yea or nay about the existence of the large chap. What I will do is relate a few things about large predators and how your perception of their existence depends on your local geography and predisposition toward what is and is not "possible".

I live in Kansas. According to the Kansas Dept. of Wildlife and Parks, there hadn't been a mountain lion in Kansas since 1904. Any and all reports of said animals were either hoaxes or misidentified. Yet there had been reports of the beasts for decades. My dad saw them as a kid in the forties and fifties. He was an outdoors man of the first order and if he told you he saw something, he saw it. Period. He had hunted and bagged every game animal in the state multiple times. He did not wrongly identify animals in some state of excitement. The last one he saw was about fifteen years ago when it was attempting a raid on mom's chicken coop. He could not bring weapon to bear before the cat spotted him and bolted for cover. So where does this lead? Read on.

Recently there was an article in our local paper stating there is now a FIFTH confirmed mountain lion sighting in the state. Confirmed as in KDWP said it verified it. This does not take into account the numerous other sightings they denied were valid. Consider they did not even acknowledge their existence till a few years ago when a photo captured one on our local golf course! DNA testing of scat confirmed the cat was a mountain lion. The line always went like this; why would a lion walk from the Rockies into Kansas? Why would one walk from the south up to Missouri or Eastern Kansas? And the latest sighting was in Wichita which is smack dab in the middle of cattle country(prairie, no mountains or large river canopies to hide in) and they think it may indeed be an indigenous offspring since there have been no reports of released animals or escaped critters. That was always the excuse before. Even if there were big cats here, someone dropped them off. They could not be living here naturally, in the wild. Yet they are.

I have never found large cat bones in all my years of outdoor activities. I have never met or hunted with anyone who has either. As far as that goes I have not found coyote bones or bobcat bones though they exist here in abundant numbers. Ask hunters and farmers from Canada or Alaska how many times they have found bear carcasses in the wild. Almost never is the answer. And those are not exactly small animals. All I am saying is distances out here in the west are large. Much larger than most people from the coasts are used to dealing with. You would be surprised what is right in front of you at times. Even though there is evidently nothing but open flat ground all around you. You can literally walk right up to or over things you never thought could be there. Here are a couple of links to photos and stories of the non existent cats. Again, not saying anything pro or con about Bigfoot. Just saying about critters in populous areas.

Regards, Todd

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2003/oct/07/photo_shows_proof/

http://www.lawrence.com/news/2008/mar/10/cougar/

http://media.lawrence.com/img/photos/2008/03/10/leon_kansas_hoax_t640.jpg?a6ea3ebd4438a44b86d2e9c3 9ecf7613005fe067

http://media.lawrence.com/img/photos/2008/03/10/jakubauskas-motion_pic_t640.jpg?a6ea3ebd4438a44b86d2e9c39ecf76 13005fe067


Of course growing up in Iowa and now living in MO there have been confirmed sitings by the DNR of cats in both states. They figure the majority are young males driven out of their territory's when the queens have new kits. The older males do not tolerate young or juvenile males in their range. The top picture you posted is a 190lb Mountain Lion killed in Washington State. Here is a link from Snopes.http://www.snopes.com/photos/hunting/mountainlion.asp

Back to Bigfoot...... the evidence in the Patterson Gimlin film is pretty compelling. I think it would be hard to fake that in 1967.

[binowatch]

http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/uploads/coelacanth4.jpg



Is his first name Chad? :lol:

Me? I did see the Jersey Devils many times, before they moved to Newark. :thumbup1:
Jeffery Meldrum is the professor. Living south of Colville I can attest to the fact that the distances are huge in the west and the remoteness is something hard to understand if you live on the coasts (I'm originally from NYC). This is true for the country including the Dakotas, Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, most of Washington and most of Oregon of course up into Canada and Alaska. It is the empty zone with thick contiguous forests, abundant water supplies and much wildlife. As far as fining bodies and bones, as was stated, you almost never find the remains of even large wild animals. The carcass is eaten, the bones carried off and chewed up, etc. by other critters very quickly. As far a big cats go, their range is definitely increasing. We see them frequently out my way and really are the only animal I worry about when hiking, esp with my dogs. Bigfoot??? Doubt it, but never say never. Lastly, Coast to Coast is great fun to listen to. Take it all with a grain of salt but many of the topics covered turn into real news stories in a year or so!!

[instpasr]

You we've had confirmed sightings of Bears in NE oHIo so it goes to say that critters can go anywhere they want to go. As for aliens, we get them all the time from PA, they just keep coming across the line. Sorry Nid.

[luvmysuper]

A manananggal is described as being an older, beautiful woman, capable of severing its upper torso in order to fly into the night with huge bat-like wings to prey on unsuspecting, pregnant women in their homes; using an elongated proboscis-like tongue, it sucks the hearts of fetuses or blood of an unsuspecting, sleeping victim. The severed lower torso is left standing and it is said to be the more vulnerable of the two halves. Sprinkling salt or smearing crushed garlic or ash on top of the standing torso is fatal to the creature. The upper torso then would not be able to rejoin and will die at daybreak.

Aswangs are shapeshifters. Stories recount aswangs living as regular townspeople. As regular townspeople, they are quiet, shy and elusive. At night, they transform into creatures from cat, pig, bird and the most common a dog. They enjoy eating unborn fetuses and small children, favoring livers and hearts. Some have long proboscises, which they use to suck the children out of their mothers' wombs or their homes. Some are so thin that they can hide themselves behind a bamboo post. They are fast and silent. Some also make noises, like the Tik-Tik(the name was derived from the sound it produces) which are louder the further away the aswang is, to confuse its potential victim and the Bubuu, an aggressive kind of aswang that makes a sound of a laying hen on midnight. They may also replace their live victims or stolen cadavers with facsimiles made from tree trunks or other plant materials. This facsimile will return to the victim's home, only to become sick and die. An aswang will also have bloodshot eyes, the result of staying up all night searching for houses where wakes are held to steal the bodies.

No one has ever proven that an Aswang or a Manananggal doesn't exist, so it is as likely that they do as a Big Foot.

[Phog Allen]

Of course growing up in Iowa and now living in MO there have been confirmed sitings by the DNR of cats in both states. They figure the majority are young males driven out of their territory's when the queens have new kits. The older males do not tolerate young or juvenile males in their range. The top picture you posted is a 190lb Mountain Lion killed in Washington State. Here is a link from Snopes.http://www.snopes.com/photos/hunting/mountainlion.asp

Back to Bigfoot...... the evidence in the Patterson Gimlin film is pretty compelling. I think it would be hard to fake that in 1967.

Well there you go Scott. I wondered about that enormous tom cat. If it had been shot around here I would have thought we would have heard and seen more about it. It does not surprise me that different people have claimed it was taken near them. Everyone loves a legend. That is one monster sized mountain lion.

The second photo was taken about 1/4 mile from our shop. This was the one that finally made the KDWP admit they are here.

Regards, Todd

[The Nid Hog]

As for aliens, we get them all the time from PA, they just keep coming across the line. Sorry Nid.

No, I completely agree. Before they get used to the gravity, they roll down out of the hills and can't climb back up.

[Dustinl]

Back to Bigfoot...... the evidence in the Patterson Gimlin film is pretty compelling. I think it would be hard to fake that in 1967.

That one had breasts it seems I remember seeing on a documentary about that film.


DL

[ouch]

http://www.philzimmermann.com/images/TinFoilHatArea.jpg

[Dustinl]

http://www.philzimmermann.com/images/TinFoilHatArea.jpg

Hmmmrph.....

This coming from the guy who got bit by a luche libre.


:lol:


DL

[BigFoot]

That one had breasts it seems I remember seeing on a documentary about that film.


DL

Yes Patti has obvious breasts in the film. That is the part that amazes me. Why would you go to all that work for a hoax.

[ouch]

Why would you go to all that work for a hoax.

Beats me.

http://newmoviesoutondvd.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/alien_autopsy.jpg

[instpasr]

Beats me.

http://newmoviesoutondvd.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/alien_autopsy.jpg

Looks like he's from Allentown

[BigFoot]

Looks like he's from Allentown

Well we're living here in Allentown
And they're closing all the factories down
Out in Bethlehem they're killing time
Filling out forms
Standing in line.

Well our fathers fought the Second World War
Spent their weekends on the Jersey Shore
Met our mothers at the USO
Asked them to dance
Danced with them slow
And we're living here in Allentown.

But the restlessness was handed down
And it's getting very hard to staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
aaaaaaah aaahhhhh ooooooooh ooooooh ohhhhhhh.

Well we're waiting here in Allentown
For the Pennsylvania we never found
For the promises our teachers gave
If we worked hard
If we behaved.

So the graduations hang on the wall
But they never really helped us at all
No they never taught us what was real
Iron or coke,
Chromium steel.

And we're waiting here in Allentown.
But they've taken all the coal from the ground
And the union people crawled awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah aaaaaaaaaaah aaaaaah.

Every child had a pretty good shot
To get at least as far as their old man got.
If something happened on the way to that place
They threw an American flag in our face, oh oh oh.

Well I'm living here in Allentown
And it's hard to keep a good man down.
But I won't be getting up todaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy
aaaaaaaaaaah aaaaaaaaaaah aaaaaaaaah.

GUITAR SOLO

aaaaaaah aaaaaaah aaaaaaah oh oh oh.

And it's getting very hard to staaaaaaaaaaaaaay.
And we're living here in Allentown.

[Luc]

Pff, Big Foot... Sasquatch on the other hand...
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT7DyxWu7onXLci0I49aOK4-KjeB7oz5TosOSqeayCcUhOcuQj0Kw

[Mako72]

http://www.philzimmermann.com/images/TinFoilHatArea.jpg


I used to laugh about that. But now that the US Govt says we have to wrap our RFID Chipped IDs in protective foil sleeves to protect them it makes ya wonder if the tinfoil hatters weren't just ahead of the curve!:thumbup:

Jay

[BigFoot]

Pff, Big Foot... Sasquatch on the other hand...
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT7DyxWu7onXLci0I49aOK4-KjeB7oz5TosOSqeayCcUhOcuQj0Kw

Is that Chad?

[Phog Allen]

Evidently you naysayers have not been paying attention. Tinfoil hats indeed. Have you not seen the Jack Link beef jerky advertisements?

Regards, Todd

[jazzman]

Everyone's missing the obvious. This is a shaving forum. No one can see you on the internet (without a camera). Therefore, some of our members are from that species, using DE/straight shaving as a means to blend in.

[Seraphim]

A manananggal is described as being an older, beautiful woman, capable of severing its upper torso in order to fly into the night with huge bat-like wings to prey on unsuspecting, pregnant women in their homes; using an elongated proboscis-like tongue, it sucks the hearts of fetuses or blood of an unsuspecting, sleeping victim. The severed lower torso is left standing and it is said to be the more vulnerable of the two halves. Sprinkling salt or smearing crushed garlic or ash on top of the standing torso is fatal to the creature. The upper torso then would not be able to rejoin and will die at daybreak.

Aswangs are shapeshifters. Stories recount aswangs living as regular townspeople. As regular townspeople, they are quiet, shy and elusive. At night, they transform into creatures from cat, pig, bird and the most common a dog. They enjoy eating unborn fetuses and small children, favoring livers and hearts. Some have long proboscises, which they use to suck the children out of their mothers' wombs or their homes. Some are so thin that they can hide themselves behind a bamboo post. They are fast and silent. Some also make noises, like the Tik-Tik(the name was derived from the sound it produces) which are louder the further away the aswang is, to confuse its potential victim and the Bubuu, an aggressive kind of aswang that makes a sound of a laying hen on midnight. They may also replace their live victims or stolen cadavers with facsimiles made from tree trunks or other plant materials. This facsimile will return to the victim's home, only to become sick and die. An aswang will also have bloodshot eyes, the result of staying up all night searching for houses where wakes are held to steal the bodies.

No one has ever proven that an Aswang or a Manananggal doesn't exist, so it is as likely that they do as a Big Foot.

Sprinkling either half of the Manananggal with Lilac Vegetal is also fatal to that species, even in the midst of darkest night! That elongated proboscis is highly sensitive to scents, and one whiff of The Veg can even cause a Manananggal to spontaneously combust.

Strange, but true!

[Seraphim]

Another thing to consider : we have mobilized a high tech army to try and locate a known human being located in the mountains of Afghanistan/Pakistan, yet we have not been able to track him down in the past 10 years of dedicated searching either.

[The Nid Hog]

Another thing to consider : we have mobilized a high tech army to try and locate a known human being located in the mountains of Afghanistan/Pakistan, yet we have not been able to track him down in the past 10 years of dedicated searching either.

So---the Taliban are being hidden by the Yeti?

[mandoman]

BIGFOOT is as real as the tooth fairy

[Seraphim]

So---the Taliban are being hidden by the Yeti?

Only until they could get picked up by the UFOs for their flight to Alpha Centauri....

[SalvadorMontenegro]

I would like to believe, but... The camera has been around for what? 150+ years? In all this time, there hasn't been one clear, inconspicuous photograph of a beast that's supposed to be taller than a man? A beast that has legions of people trying to photograph it?

In regards to Bin Laden... He's one dude. Bigfoot, unless it's immortal, has to be a species that has to replicate. Furthermore, it's a beast and I find it hard to believe that it's been capable of outsmarting humans all these years.

[Luc]

Is that Chad?

Nobody knows for sure... :laugh:

[arghblech]

Wrestling too.

BvTNyKIGXiI

[CraigarTA]

Well anything is possible. They have found a new subspecies of Chimpanzee and they act more like Gorillas, but look like chimps and are human sized.
The Bili Chimp (http://reinep.wordpress.com/2010/03/13/giant-chimp-discovered-it-is-a-new-species-and-it-is-human-sized/)

[BigFoot]

I would like to believe, but... The camera has been around for what? 150+ years? In all this time, there hasn't been one clear, inconspicuous photograph of a beast that's supposed to be taller than a man? A beast that has legions of people trying to photograph it?

In regards to Bin Laden... He's one dude. Bigfoot, unless it's immortal, has to be a species that has to replicate. Furthermore, it's a beast and I find it hard to believe that it's been capable of outsmarting humans all these years.

The Patterson Gimlin film my friend. Could be fake......Could be Chad, it is hard to say.

[OldSchoolYoungin]

Aliens above us in space are one story; enormous creatures lurking the depths of our seas are another; however, something very large and walking the lands in which we pass everyday is, shall we say, questionable.

The past decade has been quite a breakthrough for the scientific community; new lands are being explored and new species are discovered by the day. Realistically, though, you'd think that by now they've found some sort of emperical evidence to support the existence of such a large and conspicuous creature as a Yeti or sasquatch.

Mind you, I'm not saying that they absolutely don't exist; I hate speaking in absolutes. In light of evidence, however, I think it's fairly safe to say that there exists no comprehensive, much less researched and documented research to support the presence of such an animal.

Take this with a grain of salt from someone (me) that believes ETs have visited Earth at one point or another...

[diverdoug]

Maybe Bigfoot is an alien species visiting us. That is why they are so rarely seen. I think Bigfoot is a folktale, but if they do exsist, the alien hypothesis would be as plausible as an undiscovered breeding population of hominids in the Pacific NW.

[Argonaut]

Have you ever seen the show "Bigfootville" on the Discovery channel? I've been hunting there since I was 13 years old. I didn't know Sasquatch was a problem around that area until I saw that show. Until then, chiggers were the biggest problem we concerned ourselves with... and they still are.

[scottb]

I can't say I'm a believer, but someone I'm close with--a very skeptical, rational person--told me a story very similar to the OP:

They were hiking in the Northern California woods 2 years ago, had a sudden, surreal feeling of being watched, the hair on their neck stood up on end, then they smelled what they called the worst smell they'd ever encountered. Said it was "absolutely putrid." I asked if it could have been a skunk, but they've been sprayed before + said this was something else.

About that time they noticed that all the ambient noise had stopped, no birds, insects, anything. They panicked and ran back the way they had hiked.

What was it? I don't know, and they openly admit they don't know. But it makes you wonder. I do have to say this person is about as down-to-earth as I've ever met. For me, the kicker isn't the silence or the smell but the running....you'd have to know this person, but for them to turn + sprint because of a weird feeling....I don't know. I'm certainly not saying Sasquatch is real. But it is unusual.

[lenard]

In the deep ocean, or in a remote forest in the middle of nowhere, sure. Continental united states? I don't think so.

We're not talking a new species of frog here, something small that most people wouldnt notice.

There is nothing that can convince me, short of a body, that there is a breeding population of large apeman running about in the woods when there is 0 evidence to confirm (eyewitness testimony is interesting, but not evidence. Im talking actual evidence here). How many hunters roam about the states that would shoot one if seen, how many people have gone hiking in the forest and never stumbled across one that has died of natural causes, how many of every other animal has been hit by a truck crossing a road - but never a big foot has been found.

Seriously guys, this is like the easter bunny - awesome story, very cool folklore, but as fictional as the tooth fairy.

I Agree with Mr. Dunn, Bigfoot is not real






But yowies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yowie) are.

[jansob]

The lack of carcasses is the biggie for me...in all this time not one single Bigfoot died and left bones that got found? I'm a southern boy and have spent more time in the woods than most, and I've found bones of deer and rabbits and skunks and dogs and foxes and coons and everything else...but no one has EVER found the bones of a large hominid that has obviously been here longer than people have? Not one coon dog ever dragged home a leg bone or skull that would have seemed weird? Not one ever got hit by a car at night on a lonely country road? Not one heavily armed Cajun ever surprised one headed for his deer stand? Or eating the corn he was using to spotlight deer?

Sorry, can't buy it.

I'd LOVE to think they were here, I really would.
But they're not.

[luvmysuper]

I saw these just yesterday on a walk through the park;

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[Seraphim]

The lack of carcasses is the biggie for me...in all this time not one single Bigfoot died and left bones that got found? I'm a southern boy and have spent more time in the woods than most, and I've found bones of deer and rabbits and skunks and dogs and foxes and coons and everything else...but no one has EVER found the bones of a large hominid that has obviously been here longer than people have? Not one coon dog ever dragged home a leg bone or skull that would have seemed weird? Not one ever got hit by a car at night on a lonely country road? Not one heavily armed Cajun ever surprised one headed for his deer stand? Or eating the corn he was using to spotlight deer?

Sorry, can't buy it.

I'd LOVE to think they were here, I really would.
But they're not.


Maybe they bury their dead just like we do?

[luvmysuper]

maybe they bury their dead just like we do?


I think you're on to something.....


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[BigFoot]

Phil I may have said this earlier......you can be replaced.

Patterson Gimlin film all the evidence of Chad in his Pleidian form we will need.

Seriously is it real? I think so.

[luvmysuper]

Phil I may have said this earlier......you can be replaced.

Patterson Gimlin film all the evidence of Chad in his Pleidian form we will need.

Seriously is it real? I think so.

Just good natured ribbing Scott. :lol:
This has been a fun thread.

[BigFoot]

Just good natured ribbing Scott. :lol:
This has been a fun thread.
I took no offense Phil. I about fell out of my chair laughing. This is a blast keep em coming.

[Dustinl]

I saw these just yesterday on a walk through the park;
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These peculiar little creatures taste like chicken with a little gamey aftertaste. Seriously.


:angel:



DL

[BigFoot]

The Patterson Gimlin film

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrtdL6Jz13Q&feature=related









The Patterson Gimlin film broke down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbYKFc7bKR8&feature=related

[jansob]

It just hit me...the total lack of recipes for Bigfeet in Southern cookbooks is nearly positive proof that they do not exist. If they did, there would be Bigfoot knuckle stew, Bigfoot Sauce Piqant, Chicken Fried Bigfoot.....

[BigFoot]

It just hit me...the total lack of recipes for Bigfeet in Southern cookbooks is nearly positive proof that they do not exist. If they did, there would be Bigfoot knuckle stew, Bigfoot Sauce Piqant, Chicken Fried Bigfoot.....

I am in the Florida Pan Handle or LA depending on what you want to call it. You may be right. I have had grits but no bigfoot meals.

[The Nid Hog]

It just hit me...the total lack of recipes for Bigfeet in Southern cookbooks is nearly positive proof that they do not exist. If they did, there would be Bigfoot knuckle stew, Bigfoot Sauce Piqant, Chicken Fried Bigfoot.....

Are you serious? I was at a Bigfoot Pickin' last week. A good vinegar-based sauce, coleslaw and hushpuppies is all you need to make a great meal of it. Can't be beat. Except maybe by a Nessie fry.

[ouch]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYOcLd2wnDw

[ouch]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTuoR04pquQ

[ouch]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1DNHOdsYLA

[BigFoot]

Every time one of those commercials come on my wife always says to me.....theirs your buddy.:confused1

[luvmysuper]

I've got just two words to say;

Bob Heironimus

Isn't it just a tad bit odd that Patterson set out to make a Bigfoot documentary and just happened to get this footage?

Isn't it a bit odd that Bob Heironimus admits to being the man in the suit, and is actually shown on film in reel 2 of the Patterson Film? (parts of the original uncut film were made by Patterson from atop Bob Heironimus horse.)

Isn't it a bit odd that Patterson "couldn't remember" the frame rate he used when making the film, and that if the film is shown at the rate of 18fps instead of the assumed 24fps the gait of "Patty" seems very humanlike?

There have been just as many "scientists" who have called the film a hoax as there have been hopefuls who try to make it match reality.

The truth is, we'll probably never know exactly how that film was made, but the existence of that film does nothing to address the fact that there has been no evidence whatsover to support the idea that there is such a creature living in the wild.

And we don't just accept that fantastic creatures exist in this world without some type of evidence. - otherwise, "There be dragons".

[Obsessed]

I'm sorry, I came in late here. Are we actually debating whether Bigfoot is real?

[luvmysuper]

I'm sorry, I came in late here. Are we actually debating whether Bigfoot is real?

It would seem that way.
But there has been a lot of fun and ribbing along the way, so that's ok.

[BigFoot]

Bob Hieronimous :lol:

Below is an excerpt from the BFRO website. Here is a link to the full story.http://www.bfro.net/news/korff_scam.asp



A national Geographic episode featured a new liar "confessing" to be "the man in the costume." His name is Bob Hieronimous. Millions of people apparently saw that episode, or heard about it from others, because people often bring it up with us. His "confession" has even found its way into foreign publications describing nature mysteries around the world.

At least this confessor lived in Yakima (where Patterson was from). Hieronimous claims he was friends with Roger Patterson, and accompanied Patterson and Gimlin to Nor Cal with his costume. Patterson's widow says he's lying. Bob Gimlin says he's lying. No one can corroborate Hieronimous' claim that he accompanied Patterson and Gimlin. Various living witnesses near Bluff Creek say Patterson and Gimlin were not accompanied by anyone. No one ever saw Hieronimous with those two. Hieronimous doesn't know where they went exactly, or which route they too ... Indeed, there is every reason to believe Hieronimous is trying to attach himself to the Patterson story with his own fiction.

[ouch]

there has been no evidence whatsover to support the idea that there is such a creature living in the wild.

When discussing extraordinary (a friendly term for outlandish or preposterous) claims, the onus is on the claimant to provide credible evidence.

[luvmysuper]

Bob Hieronimous :lol:

Below is an excerpt from the BFRO website. Here is a link to the full story.http://www.bfro.net/news/korff_scam.asp



A national Geographic episode featured a new liar "confessing" to be "the man in the costume." His name is Bob Hieronimous. Millions of people apparently saw that episode, or heard about it from others, because people often bring it up with us. His "confession" has even found its way into foreign publications describing nature mysteries around the world.

At least this confessor lived in Yakima (where Patterson was from). Hieronimous claims he was friends with Roger Patterson, and accompanied Patterson and Gimlin to Nor Cal with his costume. Patterson's widow says he's lying. Bob Gimlin says he's lying. No one can corroborate Hieronimous' claim that he accompanied Patterson and Gimlin. Various living witnesses near Bluff Creek say Patterson and Gimlin were not accompanied by anyone. No one ever saw Hieronimous with those two. Hieronimous doesn't know where they went exactly, or which route they too ... Indeed, there is every reason to believe Hieronimous is trying to attach himself to the Patterson story with his own fiction.

Yes, well...
The website you mention unfortunately is a rabid "Bigfoot exists!" site, so I do take whatever they say with a grain. I think that's apparent by the constant use of the word "liar!" in their paragraph.

There are other sites that reference the gentleman in not so harsh a spotlight, including interviews with his lawyer mere months after the film made the headlines, records of which exists, where he asked if he could get in trouble for what he did because Patterson sold the "exclusive distribution rights" to his film to several parties simultaneously.

As for Patterson and Gimlin not knowing him, that would be strange as it is a documented fact that he lived next door to Gimlin.

As I said, the man is ON the Patterson film, in reel 2, that's a bit of a detail that is hard to deny.

[Intrigued]

Yes, well...
The website you mention unfortunately is a "Rabbit Bigfoot exists!" site, so I do take whatever they say with a grain. I think that's apparent by the constant use of the word "liar!" in their paragraph.

There are other sites that reference the gentleman in not so harsh a spotlight, including interviews with his lawyer mere months after the film made the headlines, records of which exists, where he asked if he could get in trouble for what he did because Patterson sold the "exclusive distribution rights" to his film to several parties simultaneously.

As for Patterson and Gimlin not knowing him, that would be strange as it is a documented fact that he lived next door to Gimlin.

As I said, the man is ON the Patterson film, in reel 2, that's a bit of a detail that is hard to deny.

:blink: Now there's a Rabbit Bigfoot? :blink:

http://thefuntimesguide.com/images/blogs/carl-szmolinsky-breeds-big-rabbits.jpg

http://www.southernplate.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/rabbittx.jpg

[ouch]

That's no ordinary rabbit..........

[luvmysuper]

That's no ordinary rabbit..........

It's a Jackalope.
Sometimes they are de-horned for safety reasons.

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[Intrigued]

That's no ordinary rabbit..........

No it sure isn't. And to think that the one the man is holding is just a tiny baby Bigfoot Rabbit.......... It boggles the mind! :scared:

[BigFoot]

Better than being a Rabid BigFoot. Could you imagine one of those suckers running at you foaming from the mouth.:scared:

OK back on topic. What is the topic.....oh yeah BigFoot. What do you think about the Jacobs Creature. I say it is a primate of some kind. Maybe a juvenile BigFoot. The first picture are bear cubs. The next two are of Sasquatch.

[luvmysuper]

Better than being a Rabid BigFoot. Could you imagine one of those suckers running at you foaming from the mouth.:scared:

OK back on topic. What is the topic.....oh yeah BigFoot. What do you think about the Jacobs Creature. I say it is a primate of some kind. Maybe a juvenile BigFoot. The first picture are bear cubs. The next two are of Sasquatch.

Interesting pictures. I sure would love to see some high res versions of those.
Any links? (my squinty eyes ain't what they used to be).

[BigFoot]

Interesting pictures. I sure would love to see some high res versions of those.
Any links? (my squinty eyes ain't what they used to be).

I just shut down Phil. I am using my phone. The BFRO website has some good pictures. Otherwise just put Jacobs creature in your search engine.

[Seraphim]

Interesting pictures. I sure would love to see some high res versions of those.
Any links? (my squinty eyes ain't what they used to be).

This guy gives a pretty in depth analysis:
http://www.doctoratlantis.com/jacobs.htm

[Texican]

The Patterson Gimlin film

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrtdL6Jz13Q&feature=related









The Patterson Gimlin film broke down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbYKFc7bKR8&feature=related

I don't think that's Bigfoot. I think that's my mother-in-law. :huh:

[Seraphim]

Don't discount any theories until you have considered all the evidence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MV1cjTvVkk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[luvmysuper]

This guy gives a pretty in depth analysis:
http://www.doctoratlantis.com/jacobs.htm

Thanks for the link. Indeed scale and perspective can be quite misleading.

Very detailed and reasonable analysis.
As I said earlier the BFRO web site is convinced and is quite harsh with anyone who disagees with their opinion, The guy doing this review of the photos points out their leaps of faith. without relying on any evidence.

[BigFoot]

Damn Phil, I have to agree with you this time. There is another site who has been posting pics of a trail cam they have had going in Washington or Northern CA I don't remember. The photography from it is amazing. There are a few bizzare pics from it. I will post the link later on. Even if you find the Bigfoot pics hogwash the rest are worth looking at.

[luvmysuper]

Damn Phil, I have to agree with you this time. There is another site who has been posting pics of a trail cam they have had going in Washington or Northern CA I don't remember. The photography from it is amazing. There are a few bizzare pics from it. I will post the link later on. Even if you find the Bigfoot pics hogwash the rest are worth looking at.

This is all interesting stuff.
Don't take my skepticism as a complete refusal to look at evidence. I was just commenting that we haven't got it yet. Doesn't mean we won't at some point.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
Hamlet Act 1, scene 5

[BigFoot]

This is all interesting stuff.
Don't take my skepticism as a complete refusal to look at evidence. I was just commenting that we haven't got it yet. Doesn't mean we won't at some point.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
Hamlet Act 1, scene 5

Here is a link on why there is not a lot of evidence. I am still looking for the trail cam photos. It may be later this afternoon. To me the most compelling part of this is the fact the thread has not died on here.:lol:

http://www.bfro.net/gdb/show_FAQ.asp?id=407

[luvmysuper]

Here is a link on why there is not a lot of evidence. I am still looking for the trail cam photos. It may be later this afternoon. To me the most compelling part of this is the fact the thread has not died on here.:lol:

http://www.bfro.net/gdb/show_FAQ.asp?id=407

I think it's you and I that keeping it alive at this point :lol:

See, my problem here is you keep referencing that BFRO website, and they make a whole ton of assumptions that are not based on any fact.

I have real issue with some of the things they say in the points why no evidence exists "One can assume.." "It is presumed..."

Hunters;
Bloodhounds can track any human, but they can only track humans because it is how they are trained? Obviously a statement made by someone who knows nothing about dogs or tracking. No hunter has ever shot a Bigfoot because there isn't a Bigfoot season, and people don't want to get in trouble with the law? C'mon. Really?

No Physical Evidence;
"There is a lot of evidence, like hair samples and scat." If this were genuinely true, DNA testing would prove what type of animal it was. If a DNA test was performed and determined to be from an species previously unknown - that my friend would be front page news.

Lack of Remains;
"Millions of gigantos (a branch of the wood ape line) lived and died in Asia over the ages. All the remaining physical evidence we have of them could fit into a few shoe boxes. Fossils of any land animal are very rare." Sure. That may be true. But they are misdirecting attention by referencing a species which died out a half a million years ago, which allows plenty of time for remains to be scattered and reabsorbed into the biomass. Bigfoot is reportedly a living species. Even the remains of people who have been lost and died in the forests have been stumbled across, and I'd bet they are every bit as rare as Bigfoot are reported to be.

Again, BFRO is tainted from the outset, and cannot be taken as a serious research group.

Their main page states;

"To many, these facts, taken together, suggest the presence of an animal, probably a primate, that exists today in very low population densities. If true, this species, having likely evolved alongside humans, became astonishingly adept at avoiding human contact through a process of natural selection.

To others, these same facts point to a cultural phenomenon kept alive today through a combination of the misidentification of known animals, wishful thinking, and the deliberate fabrication of evidence.

The BFRO, and its members, take the former view."

I am willing to keep an open mind, but clearly, the BFRO is not.

[Phog Allen]

Hey chaps. Another angle to keep in mind about the "skunk ape" phenomena. Have you ever been up close to a boar bear? I have, in a way. When I was about fifteen years old we lived in central Missouri for a little while. There was a wild animal park near Springfield Mo. called(I think) Exotic Animal Paradise. This was a drive through refuge type place where you could get a decent, up close look at all sorts of fauna. It was really quite a place.

Yet there was one area of the park that stood out immediately. It was a walk through area that had caged beasts like lion, bear, and other large, fanged creatures that were impressive to say the least. The one that stood out the most was the boar grizzly. I mean to say that by "standing out" you could not help but smell the thing nearly fifty yards distant. And I do mean smell him. Now mind you, this was not some wild roaming bear that had rolled in a dead carcass or been eating carrion to pick up a stench. This thing was in a large metal cage sort of affair and was fed by its handlers. The stench it let off was abomination. I can almost still smell it in my imagination and that was thirty three years ago! It was horrid. A sort of combination of vomit, arse, soured sweat, rancid musk, and... I don't know what all. Suffice it to say that nearly everyone withing sniffing distance was looking for a place to chuck up their lunch. It was that bad. So I think there is a real possibility many of the skunk ape reports are misidentified bears. If it is any consolation there was a black bear a little ways away from the griz and he was only marginally less stanky. Just a thought.

Regards, Todd

[The Nid Hog]

It would be exciting to think that something as big and unknown as Bigfoot was out there. Unfortunately, I don't think that's the case. There just isn't any untainted evidence out there and the determination of TV shows and the BFRO crowd to endlessly recycle the Patterson footage doesn't seem to be any more convincing. There is a minor TV industry created around this stuff, churning out cheap filler for outlets like the History Channel (who seem to have run out of Nazi film footage to fill up their schedule). That's drawn even more crackpots into it, as well as a lot of hucksters looking to make a buck. In some ways, this kind of sideshow activity has a long history in the US--after all, P. T. Barnum was one of our own.

On the other hand, there are a lot of sincere people who are deeply interested in this and are spending lots of their free time in the woods searching for something. But still nothing turns up. Apart from Meldrum (the anthropologist who is the duty expert on just about every TV show and must be making some nice coin for his efforts), legitimate primatologists have not made it a priority to catch the big guy. And I just don't think that the argument that "the lack of evidence that Bigfoot doesn't exist somehow proves that he does" will hold water.

I'm very interested in folklore, and I love to hear stories like this. In many ways, following Bigfoot lore lets us see legends being produced in the modern world. I think we can learn a lot about what people are thinking about the world around them by listening to the stories and following the expeditions. But I don't think that there's any big hairy primate to be bagged at the end of the day. If there is any real, living creature out there driving all this, I think that Todd hit the nail on the head.

[Intrigued]

Has anyone here read the book Ishi Last of His Tribe? If not here is a link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishi) to a Wikipedia article about him. I find it interesting that his small tribe was able to hide for forty years. I understand that certainly does not prove the existence of Bigfoot. But after reading that book I've always thought that if there were Yeti or Bigfoot and they didn't wish to be 'discovered' it's possible they would not be.

[BigFoot]

Damn Phil, I have to agree with you this time. There is another site who has been posting pics of a trail cam they have had going in Washington or Northern CA I don't remember. The photography from it is amazing. There are a few bizzare pics from it. I will post the link later on. Even if you find the Bigfoot pics hogwash the rest are worth looking at.

Phil, here is the link to the trail cam I promised to put up. The possible Sasquatch photos take a bit of a stretch of the imagination but there is something strange there. IMO this may be harder to explain than the PG film. The other photos of the natural wildlife is just spectacular. Enjoy all.

http://www.olympicproject.com/

[luvmysuper]

Has anyone here read the book Ishi Last of His Tribe? If not here is a link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishi) to a Wikipedia article about him. I find it interesting that his small tribe was able to hide for forty years. I understand that certainly does not prove the existence of Bigfoot. But after reading that book I've always thought that if there were Yeti or Bigfoot and they didn't wish to be 'discovered' it's possible they would not be.

Point taken about "wanting to remain hidden".
The major difference being of course, that Ishi and his tribe looked exactly like any other group of Native Americans to the casual observer.

The people who ransacked his mothers camp certainly didn't think anything was odd, they were just being opportunistic.

Point of fact is, that if Ishi had cleaned up a bit to avoid the "wild man look" he could have walked down main street of the nearest town at noon, and no one would have reported anything out of the ordinary.

[Intrigued]

Point taken about "wanting to remain hidden".
The major difference being of course, that Ishi and his tribe looked exactly like any other group of Native Americans to the casual observer.

The people who ransacked his mothers camp certainly didn't think anything was odd, they were just being opportunistic.

Point of fact is, that if Ishi had cleaned up a bit to avoid the "wild man look" he could have walked down main street of the nearest town at noon, and no one would have reported anything out of the ordinary.

I agree with the points you make. But if you read the book you realize just how well they did remain hidden for a very long time. I was also amazed at how Ishi survived through a winter with virtually no food when the rest of his tribe had all died. If you've never read the book, it's a very good read and really thought provoking.

[Bruce Wayne]

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[Lesmore]

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[BigFoot]

Internet Forum Etiquette
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIyr5TXqe8Y)

Did someone misbehave? This thread has been fun. Lets not ruin it.:wink2:

[BigFoot]

Thanks Phil, for removing the Nazi photo.:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

[Mako72]

I saw the pic earlier and it reminded me, but I had to look it up again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Pretty interesting observation.

Jay

[urr-lord]

i think bf exists.too many reports from competant people over too long of a period of time.now as to what bf is? that is the heart of the debate.to me.
ape? alien?et?extra dimensional?protohuman?spirit?demonic or otherwise? whatever bf is would color what type of evidence would be gathered ,if any.
now as for the most common objections...
no one has shot one..says who?.lots of hunters go missing every year and are never found,nor are their remains.many people think bf move in small family groups.shoot one and the family group they are thought to travel in would probably show their displeasure ,personally.
no one has found remains...if you find an arm or leg bone or miscellaneous small bones in the forest.first thought--dead deer or bear.its a wonder the squirrels have not eaten all the bones yet ,and you walk on. not many skeletal remains experts roam the forest. so unless there is a skull laying there grinning at you,you will ascribe the bones to a mundane source.
there has been no hair,no blood,no dna evidence.wrong. several items have been found and analyzed.hair--which showed non human and non animal characteristics.blood---dna testing showed an animal that had no match in the genetic database,but was similar to the great apes.
the blood testing was from canada and was shown on an episode of monsterquest.
as for bob heironomus.he stated several times" i made the bf costume out of a red horsehide".look at the p-g film.....riiiight.
those are just a few thoughts i have on this subject.

[The Nid Hog]

I just don't think that you can be on steady ground when you argue that the absence of any evidence is proof of existence. That's just the opposite of how reason works. It's possible to think up all kinds of plausible reasons why there isn't any evidence, but the simplest and most logical one is that there's no evidence because there is no bigfoot. People--even reliable ones--are often mistaken in describing what they think they saw. If there was any credible scientific evidence to prove that bigfoot existed, it would be on the front pages of the newspapers. But there isn't.

When you get to the point where you think something is true in spite of a lack of any real evidence, then you're talking about faith, not knowledge. I suppose it's kind of sad to think that there are no tiny colonies of clever, elusive sasquatch roaming through the woods, but that's the safe bet. On the other hand, there is a lot of cool stuff out there--bear, mountain lions, jaguar, etc. I'm pretty happy with that.

[luvmysuper]

Folks who "want to believe" will never be convinced otherwise.
I addressed several of the issues in the post above, but like most of these kinds of things, adherence to the basic core belief does not permit objective analysis of facts.

Does anyone truly believe that comprehensive DNA testing has been done on blood and hair which revealed a previously unknown primate loose in the Pacific Northwest?

Such news as this would be all over the headlines and on all the cable news networks.

What has been done is examination of the hair under microscope and that this hair has similarities to some known animals but cannot be conclusively proven to be a specific animal without DNA testing.

In each of the few cases where DNA testing was actually performed, the results indicated a known animal (Georgia) or insufficient quantity of recoverable DNA for testing (Ohio).

Most recently is the case in Georgia where the hair was revealed to be from two sources, a human and an oppossum. To which the two discoverers prompty replied that it must have been what the bigfoot ate last before it died.

Still, fans of the Bigfoot theory will claim that secret testing has revealed the truth and that a vast conspiracy is keeping this information from the public.

As much as I would love to have conclusive proof that such a wonderful creature wanders the wooded unpopulated areas of North America, I am unable to bring myself to make that leap of faith required to believe in a creature that is no more wonderous than a Unicorn or a Mermaid, and which has no more evidence of existence than a Unicorn or a Mermaid.

[Obsessed]

So, um, you guys are still debating whether Bigfoot exists?

[luvmysuper]

So, um, you guys are still debating whether Bigfoot exists?

Seems that way.

Actually I'm not debating that it does or doesn't exist.
I'm debating that there is not a shred of evidence that it exists.

[goby]

I live in Trinity County, about 90 minutes from Bluff Creek (where the 1967 Patterson film was shot).

It is very rugged, and so remote in the area when Bigfoot has been seen. Oh I want there to be a Bigfoot so bad, but I find it so hard to believe that no one has found a dead one, and that there is only one film of any quality.

But if you study the Patterson film, there are some facts that lead me to believe it is real. The biggie is that Patterson cheated his partner out of any of the royalties, and that partner has never said it was fake.

But if I were to bet with an all-knowing God, I would bet there is no Bigfoot. :(

[mmack66]

I don't know if Bigfoot exists or not, but some of you folks are operating under the mistaken assumption that there are no large areas of wilderness that as of yet, have never been explored by humans.

[commanderkeen]

I went to the army with big foot. Seriously, this one guy had like shoe size 22, and was about 7'3".

About that other mysterious big-foot, I doubt it's real. There is no conclusive evidence, and hardly any evidence that isn't completely bogus that big-foot exists. Until I seen one, I won't believe. If you think about gorillas, and what type of environment they live in (mountainous rain forest!), it is hard to believe that sasquatch hasn't been found in the woods of NA.

[Baloosh]

An image-stabilized animated .gif of the "Bigfoot" walk - as seen in the Gimlin film. Note that the sequence is centered around the subject, which eliminates the shaky-ness of the original film.

Behold, the creature. He walks like a people! :001_rolle

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/files/mk_davis_pgf.gif

[Obsessed]

Seems that way.

Actually I'm not debating that it does or doesn't exist.
I'm debating that there is not a shred of evidence that it exists.

Ok, then I'll hold off on my fake moon landing thread for now.

By the way, I missed what happened with the Nazi post that was removed, but I think it was smart to delete it. If Bigfoot is real, I'd hate to see him sue B&B for libel. I just don’t think there's enough evidence to call him a fascist.

[BigFoot]

Anyone look at the link to the trail cam I posted. The BF photos are hard to swallow but the rest of the photos are amazing. In the infamous words of Mulder, I want to believe.

[Seraphim]

Anyone look at the link to the trail cam I posted. The BF photos are hard to swallow but the rest of the photos are amazing. In the infamous words of Mulder, I want to believe.

My take on those pics is that it was a racoon that had climbed up the tree, and was sniffing around the camera. Those guys really go off the deep end trying to make furry animal=Bigfoot as the only explanation.

[Seraphim]

An image-stabilized animated .gif of the "Bigfoot" walk - as seen in the Gimlin film. Note that the sequence is centered around the subject, which eliminates the shaky-ness of the original film.

Behold, the creature. He walks like a people! :001_rolle

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/files/mk_davis_pgf.gif

I think you should upload that as your animated avatar gif!:thumbup:

Really, I can't imagine all the fuss caused by that film. It really is pretty smatyer in my opinion. The bigfoot's gluteus Maximus do not move, flex, or do anything besides look like a pillow stuffed down the rear end of that gorrilla suit.

[The Nid Hog]

With the film stabilized, it looks like me on my way to my morning shower.

[BigFoot]

My last question.....or maybe not. If it is a man in a suit, and it could very well be why would you throw it away? If Bob Heironimus said it was him in the suite why can it not be produced or reproduced by anyone. That was 1967 this is 2011, you should be able to recreate the whole scene perfectly. Yet it has not been done.

Now my biggest concern on whether that film is real is Roger Patterson could not remember how many fps the camera was set on. If that is changed it looks a whole lot more like a man walking. Patterson is dead. Gimlin still swears it is authentic. The film has ruined his life. Was he duped as well, he very well could have been. Folks we just never may know.

[The Nid Hog]

My last question.....or maybe not. If it is a man in a suit, and it could very well be why would you throw it away? If Bob Heironimus said it was him in the suite why can it not be produced or reproduced by anyone. That was 1967 this is 2011, you should be able to recreate the whole scene perfectly. Yet it has not been done.

Now my biggest concern on whether that film is real is Roger Patterson could not remember how many fps the camera was set on. If that is changed it looks a whole lot more like a man walking. Patterson is dead. Gimlin still swears it is authentic. The film has ruined his life. Was he duped as well, he very well could have been. Folks we just never may know.

I saw a video on line with Meldrum the anthropologist and a number of others who said that they convincingly recreated the creature's stride with an actor and a little bit of coaching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB5I6HgA-CI&feature=player_embedded

Am I mistaken in thinking that the whole film is a result of these guys out in the woods trying to make a movie about Bigfoot? And then one just happened to wander through the frame? I can't imagine a more implauseable setup than that, but there it is. It's as if during the filming of "Independence Day" real aliens came down and destroyed the White House.

[Baloosh]

...

Am I mistaken in thinking that the whole film is a result of these guys out in the woods trying to make a movie about Bigfoot? And then one just happened to wander through the frame? I can't imagine a more implauseable setup than that, but there it is. It's as if during the filming of "Independence Day" real aliens came down and destroyed the White House.

Yo, don't joke about that -- that really happened! I saw it on TV once!

[scottb]

Note to self: hold off on Mothman thread.

[lenard]

I think the reason they haven't found Bigfoot is because he has managed to blend in with us. All he needs to do is shave of most of his hair and he could pass for a guy with big feet. Who knows he might have joined B&B to find out the best way to shave of all that excess hair.

Hmmmm, are there any members who have large feet?

[raisindot]

When you get to the point where you think something is true in spite of a lack of any real evidence, then you're talking about faith, not knowledge. I suppose it's kind of sad to think that there are no tiny colonies of clever, elusive sasquatch roaming through the woods, but that's the safe bet. On the other hand, there is a lot of cool stuff out there--bear, mountain lions, jaguar, etc. I'm pretty happy with that.

+100 on this.

I find it truly amazing that so many polls show that a huge number of people have no problem believing in ghosts, demons, haunted houses, alien abductions and other paranormal effluvia when there is no truly credible evidence to support their existence, yet will deny the veracity of certain scientific theories (which I won't get into here because that's a whole separae subject) that are clearly supported by strong theoretical arguments and physical evidence. The world and the universe have so many amazing observable attributes that we still haven't been able to explain yet...why spend so much time and effort on ephermia?

[luvmysuper]

Read this book. No - Really. Read This Book!

Carl Sagan is amazing anyway, but this book is absolutely spellbinding.
It addresses a lot of the issues that have cropped up here recently.
Visiting spirits, aliens, strange creatures... and the incredible things that truly exists in this world and yet in comparison seem far less likely.


145422

[tvldatsi]

obviously real.

[ouch]

I am unable to explain it, therefore bigfoot must be a time traveller.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCERaUBHoe0&feature=related

[Dirk1967]

Even after 44 years with all the new technology today, they dont know if the Patterson movie is fake.

[luvmysuper]

Even after 44 years with all the new technology today, there's no indication that the Patterson movie is real.

I fixed that for you!

No need to thank me. :w00t:

[mandoman]

still talking about this we might as well talk about the loch ness monster with big foot riding it :lol::lol:

[luvmysuper]

still talking about this we might as well talk about the loch ness monster with big foot riding it :lol::lol:


From Page 1 :lol:


may have seen one while fishing... not really sure..
http://badgerandblade.com/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=144129&stc=1&d=1296739036


I want to see a "Ghost Chasers" episode where they film Bigfoot riding the Loch Ness Monster while jousting with a Chupacabra riding a Yeti.

That would be much more interesting than the episode where they interviewed Vampires and Werewolves who had been abducted by Aliens.

[Dirk1967]

I fixed that for you!

No need to thank me. :w00t:

LOL!:thumbup:

[pz93c]

I don't know.

There could be..... but probably not.

[BigFoot]

Even after 44 years with all the new technology today, they dont know if the Patterson movie is fake.

Restored the original back.

Know need to thank me Phil.:lol:

[Blade Boy]

Really couldn't say, but that's somebody who really needs a razor! - Blade Boy

[instpasr]

Has anyone seen star wars? I mean come on guys Chewbaccas gotta be big foot, Peter Mayhew admitted he never put the shag carpet suit on. Mayhew was brought on to do the Holly Wood circuit because big foot refused to sign autographs.

[Seraphim]

Dark matter and dark energy are unobservable, unmeasureable things, that have never been seen. Yet many reknown astrophysisits swear it exists, and that they actually make up more than 80% of the universe.

I call "bunkum!" on both Bigfoot and dark matter, and the quacks who believe in them.

[luvmysuper]

Dark matter and dark energy are unobservable, unmeasureable things, that have never been seen. Yet many reknown astrophysisits swear it exists, and that they actually make up more than 80% of the universe.

I call "bunkum!" on both Bigfoot and dark matter, and the quacks who believe in them.

I thought Dark Matter was the non-breast portions of the Thanksgiving Turkey.

[raisindot]

Dark matter and dark energy are unobservable, unmeasureable things, that have never been seen. Yet many reknown astrophysisits swear it exists, and that they actually make up more than 80% of the universe.

I call "bunkum!" on both Bigfoot and dark matter, and the quacks who believe in them.

Do you believe that black holes exist? No one has ever 'seen' one and they can never be reliably measured or directly observed. Yet, mathematical models can very precisely predict their structure and their effects on surrounding matter, and there are many photos that show matter cycling around some central opaque entity.

Are people who believe in black holes also quacks?

And while the debate about dark matter and dark energy is certainly controversial, the theory that these dark entites exists is at least based on analysis using the verified laws of physics as their foundational basis. The underlying assumptions may ultimately be proven incorrect (i.e., there may be a lot more matter in the universe than scientists currently predict), but at least they're using observable data (i.e., estimates of how much matter there really is based on the number of galaxies and stars we can see at the moment).

Compare this to the lack of any kind of even remotely plausible scientific evidence to support any so-called paranormal activity (and the huge number of frauds and hucksters operating in this field) and I think one has to differentiate between scientific theorists and true quacks.

The difference between quacks and reputable scientific theorists is that the latter, when faced with evidence or better supported explanations, will toss aside their theories, although certainly not without a fight.

Quacks, on the other hand, will always insist that they're right, no matter how little evidence they present or how much their assertions are discredited.

[ouch]

The difference between quacks and reputable scientific theorists is that the latter, when faced with evidence or better supported explanations, will toss aside their theories, although certainly not without a fight.

Quacks, on the other hand, will always insist that they're right, no matter how little evidence they present or how much their assertions are discredited.

A good scientist should welcome new explanations, even if it destroys their own research and theories. That's how science works.

[BigFoot]

Dark matter and dark energy are unobservable, unmeasureable things, that have never been seen. Yet many reknown astrophysisits swear it exists, and that they actually make up more than 80% of the universe.

I call "bunkum!" on both Bigfoot and dark matter, and the quacks who believe in them.

Dude you can call me a quack. I heard something that night and I choose to believe. If that makes me a quack so be it. I have painted my head green and now wear a beak and webbed feet.:laugh:

[BigFoot]

A good scientist should welcome new explanations, even if it destroys their own research and theories. That's how science works.

Holy cow Jay. That was a reasonable normal comment...............from you.............in a Bigfoot thread? It will probably get discovered this weekend.

[Seraphim]

Do you believe that black holes exist? No one has ever 'seen' one and they can never be reliably measured or directly observed. Yet, mathematical models can very precisely predict their structure and their effects on surrounding matter, and there are many photos that show matter cycling around some central opaque entity.

Are people who believe in black holes also quacks?

And while the debate about dark matter and dark energy is certainly controversial, the theory that these dark entites exists is at least based on analysis using the verified laws of physics as their foundational basis. The underlying assumptions may ultimately be proven incorrect (i.e., there may be a lot more matter in the universe than scientists currently predict), but at least they're using observable data (i.e., estimates of how much matter there really is based on the number of galaxies and stars we can see at the moment).

Compare this to the lack of any kind of even remotely plausible scientific evidence to support any so-called paranormal activity (and the huge number of frauds and hucksters operating in this field) and I think one has to differentiate between scientific theorists and true quacks.

The difference between quacks and reputable scientific theorists is that the latter, when faced with evidence or better supported explanations, will toss aside their theories, although certainly not without a fight.

Quacks, on the other hand, will always insist that they're right, no matter how little evidence they present or how much their assertions are discredited.
Black holes are the co-imagined (i.e.-simply a concept) thing that they have agreed to call whatever it is that is at the center of the swirling opacities. Yes, they have mathematically modelled the swirl, yet still really don't know what is causing it.

Same with dark matter. They came up with a mathematical model that works on certain scales, yet to make it work universally they have to enter an >80% fudge factor called dark matter, that is as undetectable as Bigfoot, the tooth fairy, or Russel's teapot, and thus claim that it must exist in order to follow the mathematical formula, instead perhaps of thinking that maybe the understanding of the formula was erroneous to begin with.

Yes, I used the term quack simply to stir the pot a bit, but to excerpt from a concept in the Sagan book posted a page ir two back:


As an example, Sagan relates the story (derived from the book Overcoming the Myth of Self-Worth: Reason and Fallacy in What You Say to Yourself - 1994- by Richard L. Franklin) of the invisible fire-breathing dragon living in his garage. He asks, "what's the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all? If there's no way to disprove my contention, no conceivable experiment that would count against it, what does it mean to say that my dragon exists? Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true."

He is most likely alluding to the existance or not of God, but I'd say the idea of the unmeasureable, unobservable dark matter should fall under the same category.

[BigFoot]

Quack Quack Quack

[raisindot]

A good scientist should welcome new explanations, even if it destroys their own research and theories. That's how science works.


Absolutely, if that explanation is backed up by observational evidence or such strong theoretical reasoning that existing theories are no longer valid. The most famous example of this in recent years is Stephen Hawking's admission that his theory about the "loss of information" from anything entering black holes was no longer valid in the face of new science that refuted its veracity.

Go back to the 1940s and 50s and Edwin Hubble's team finally proved not only that other galaxies existed in their university, but that they were much farther away and were moving away at high speeds, bolstering the assertion that the universe is expanding and finally putting to bed the long-held "static universe" theory.

Even the string theorists, who are about as fanatical a bunch of scientists as anyone, will admit that they have no physical evidence to back up their theory and that a different theory of the Nature of Everything may someday come along.

[Obsessed]

So you guys are saying that Bigfoot is made of dark matter? That would explain a lot, but I think you're just yanking my string with that theory.

[David in Boston]

...you're just yanking my string with that theory.

That was so bad it was good.:lol:

[BigFoot]

It has been about a week since anyone has posted on this thread. I did check the BFRO, there has been new sightings added but still have not found the elusive beast.

Okay Phil you can shoot me for resurecting this one.:lol:

[GrooveDachshund]

Seeing as we're resurrecting the dead, here's the site I go to sometimes when I'm bored. Mostly boring stuff, but the community is pretty level headed, and there are a lot of articles on actual scientific findings (new species discovered, etc).
http://www.cryptomundo.com/

[BigFoot]

Okay........Phil has solved the mystery. He said every time I send a PM a Bigfoot dies. As much as I PM no wonder we can't find him.

[Bruce Wayne]

http://ny-image2.etsy.com/il_fullxfull.221514006.jpg

[brianw]

Hey Scott.... you may find this interesting. I was in a diner in Eastern PA today and there where a bunch of Old Coots in there.

I thought I would have some fun and asked them if they believed in BigFoot.

A couple of them laughed and pointed to a particularly Old Codger who said he was stationed in Washington just after WW2 and he saw one and no matter what those other @sses that were with him said... THEY DO EXIST, so there you go.....I chuckled all the way home.

[BigFoot]

Hey Scott.... you may find this interesting. I was in a diner in Eastern PA today and there where a bunch of Old Coots in there.

I thought I would have some fun and asked them if they believed in BigFoot.

A couple of them laughed and pointed to a particularly Old Codger who said he was stationed in Washington just after WW2 and he saw one and no matter what those other @sses that were with him said... THEY DO EXIST, so there you go.....I chuckled all the way home.

Don't mess with them old codgers. They know the truth.

So did you mean you were hanging out with a bunch of folks your age?:tongue_sm

[brianw]

Nah... they were 50 years older then water and 40 years older then sand.... I'm only 10 years older then both water and sand:tongue_sm:tongue_sm

[brianw]

http://ny-image2.etsy.com/il_fullxfull.221514006.jpg

How come this guy with the rifle looks like Mr. Scruffy ???

[Bruce Wayne]

How come this guy with the rifle looks like Mr. Scruffy ???

That is Teddy Rosevelt holding a machine gun. But you know that, right?

[brianw]

Yes and our Mr. Scruffy bears a remarkable resemblance to TR

[BigFoot]

I needed to make a post with my new avatar.:thumbup::lol:

[BigFoot]

Since this got moved to the great outdoors, Rob does that mean you are a believer. I am pretty sure I have Marcus converted. Phil and Brian are coming around. Of course Lou is on the fence. The rest have not responded.

Thanks for your support buddy.:thumbup:

[DunEdinRanger]

This is right on the money of what I heard. http://www.bfro.net/REF/Puyallubigfeet.wav

An approaching subway train with brakes squealing?

[BigFoot]

An approaching subway train with brakes squealing?

Or a Puffin dive bombing me. I just figured out what it was. It was the sound of the fence creaking and squealing when you finally got off it.:thumbup:

[DunEdinRanger]

Or a Puffin dive bombing me. I just figured out what it was. It was the sound of the fence creaking and squealing when you finally got off it.:thumbup:

Hey! :mad3: I might be fat, but I wear it well. I have good fattitude!:lol:

[BigFoot]

Hey! :mad3: I might be fat, but I wear it well. I have good fattitude!:lol:

:laugh::laugh::laugh::blink::blink::huh:

[Crag]

For what it's worth. Here is a story for y'all to chew on...

On September of 1989 my first Wife and I spent our honeymoon in the Ozark Mountains on an old Gold Claim near Huntington Arkansas. We were at a "period" inn from the 1860's with a few other families and our parents. We were out panning for gold one day and my father-in-law, (a local sheriff) was moving down the stream "patch-panning" which is basically digging small holes and panning the tailings.

It was a cloudless, sunny day, hardly any hint of wind, and no movement anywhere around us...we all felt it...even my then wife could feel it...There was something "in the air", and the air felt heavy.

There were cows moving in and out of a stand of trees about 20 feet from where we were. Suddenly they all all started mooing very loudly...they were all pointing one direction like all looking at something and the calves were behind their mothers...just then my father-in-law started screaming, and began shooting at something...He ran back to us and was screaming like a girl to run...his face was COMPLETELY white and his pupils were really big...we heard something crashing through the stand of trees and a then cow came flying through the air and landing on its back and crashed down the embankment.

That was all I needed, I dropped EVERYTHING and ran away. That was the most scared I had ever been! Later that night when he got up...he was so disturbed he had to take a nap...he recounted what had happened.

Basically he was panning when he noticed a shadow come over him...there were no clouds so he automatically thought it was one of us...without looking up he started talking and heard a grunt...he thought that was rude so he reeled around to speak his mind, and was confronted by a huge Monkey-manish looking thing. He said it was standing at the top of the rise with the sun directly behind him. It had a gorilla-ish face, and was covered in hair.

He always carries a weapon, a S&W 40 semi auto, and so he drew the gun and started shooting...he didn't remember screaming... He said that thing got so mad that it picked up a cow and threw it. He said his grandpa had told him about the whooly-booger, a Bigfoot Creature supposedly living in Arkansas, but he never believed it until that day...

My father-in-law was the most honorable man I had ever met. He would give you the shirt off his back and his shoes too. He was a fair lawman, and never let race play a factor in his decisions...he was a great judge of character and believed that all men had good in them. Twice he was honored by the State of Arkansas for exceptional bravery in the line of duty. He was a Vietnam Vet, and was Proud of what he did there. Up to the day he died he was adamant about what he saw, and I believe him.

My mother-in-law swore it was Cain or a Son of Perdition...My father-in-law was a trained shooter and says he shot that thing 11 times with the first 4 shots going wide...

How could something survive being shot 11 times with a 40 caliber and still be able to THROW a 2000lb cow? I never saw it, but i believe that they exist.

**Edited** Someone from the Bigfoot Research somethingorother did call us all and took our statements...the sighting is listed on a web-page somewhere for Huntington, Monroe County, Arkansas 1989.

Ideas or explanations are welcome...

[The Nid Hog]

For years, I've heard stories about the booger from friends of mine who grew up in the mountains (in this case, in western NC). If you say that your father-in-law had this experience, I believe you. At the same time, I don't believe that the mountains and forests of the United States (at least not the ones I'm familiar with) could support a breeding population of large, still-unknown mammals. That's the rub, isn't it? How can a specific story be true, but it be so unlikely that there's a mass of creatures around that one like that could come from? I don't know what the answer is to that.

Just as a sidenote, the idea of the booger probably comes from Scots-Irish traditions. The term--and maybe the critter too?--came from the old country. At the same time, it's connected to traditions of the Eastern Band of the Cherokee. I've been thinking about this for a while--I'll look into it a little and post something later.

[insomniac]

IMHO, it's really unlikely that "bigfoot" exists up here in the PacNW. With all the logging, hiking trails, etc. that are heavily used (even in "remote" areas), we'd have seen SLR photos of any critter or remains of one by now.


The cryptozoology episode of Penn & Teller's "BS" did a proper skewing of many of the people who hawk books/videos and otherwise make money off this.

[jwcarlson]

The year was 1983 I was 17 years old and me and a buddy were out coon hunting. We were in the river bottoms of the Wapsipinnicon River near Massilon IA.



Couple of things...
1) It's Massillon, IA incase anyone is Google mapping it.
2) What is that sound file? Sounds like a garbled mess is all.
3) It was probably someone from Jackson county trying to catch a coon for some extra ciriculars. :laugh:
4) Bigfoot exists... but no way in hell it's in Iowa.

[The Nid Hog]

I had high hopes for this video, but left unimpressed.

http://hubpages.com/hub/Big-Foot-Or-Knobby-Is-Alive-And-Well-In-North-Carolina

That could have been me out jogging, but I don't usually get that far from the house.

[bassmanlarry]

Sure bigfoot is real. They have his head on display in Lebanon,TN.

http://civilwarsaga.homestead.com/Z_SUGARFLATCREATURE.html

I'm heading up to Lebanon April 15th to check out some of the antique stores, maybe I'll see this.

[jk3campbell]

My sister in law had a sasquatch run across the road in front of her several times about a year ago. My brother and the nearby park ranger caught it and it turned out to be the local trustee's kid in a gorilla costume. He was lucky they had a hunch and didn't shoot him. They did scare the bejesus out of him with a baseball bat though.:biggrin1:

[BigFoot]

Couple of things...
1) It's Massillon, IA incase anyone is Google mapping it.
2) What is that sound file? Sounds like a garbled mess is all.
3) It was probably someone from Jackson county trying to catch a coon for some extra ciriculars. :laugh:
4) Bigfoot exists... but no way in hell it's in Iowa.

I did not know Massillon would even show up on google. Has it turned into a booming metropolis, or is the pop still about 50?

[Chadtheguru]

I haven't had time to pore through the entire thread yet, but here's my $.02: there's waaaay too much physical and historical evidence and sightings by dozens (hundreds?) of completely sane individuals to discount bigfoot as myth. I'm just waiting for one to be found or captured so I can tell my wife, "I told you so!" Just sayin.

[mandoman]

its a fact that bigfoot is fiction :001_smile

[BigFoot]

I haven't had time to pore through the entire thread yet, but here's my $.02: there's waaaay too much physical and historical evidence and sightings by dozens (hundreds?) of completely sane individuals to discount bigfoot as myth. I'm just waiting for one to be found or captured so I can tell my wife, "I told you so!" Just sayin.

:001_smile:001_smile:001_smile:001_smile

[Aku Aku]

its a fact that bigfoot is fiction :001_smile

Not sure what to believe. Gigantopithecus did exist. It is fact. Could the descendants still be here? Sealacamp, a 400 Million year old ancient prehistoric fish, thought to be extinct was found off the Madagascar coast. Food for thought.

[insomniac]

Not sure what to believe. Gigantopithecus did exist. It is fact. Could the descendants still be here? Sealacamp, a 400 Million year old ancient prehistoric fish, thought to be extinct was found off the Madagascar coast. Food for thought.

It's not unusual to find new species. Scientists find them all the time.

But a megafauna like a giant mammal would have been found by now, especially in the US where there isn't a heck of a lot of truly remote areas where a giant ape could hide and not escape the eye of people with high-quality digital and video cameras, much less not leave a big environmental footprint that biologists would have noticed by now.

[jd_1138]

I think it's just drunk ass dudes slapping on a gorilla suit, on a dare.

[DFrancis]

I think it's just drunk ass dudes slapping on a gorilla suit, on a dare.

Or Robin Williams going for a run in the buff.

[Aku Aku]

Or Robin Williams going for a run in the buff.

A hirsute beast to be sure :lol:

[Not A Nice Person]

Or Robin Williams going for a run in the buff.


A hirsute beast to be sure :lol:

But short. Much too short to be mistaken for Sasquatch. :laugh:

The Olympic peninsula in Washington state (where many sightings have occurred) is genuinely remote, however. Temperate rainforest, densely wooded, no roads into the interior. Sheena, Tarzan and El Dorado could ALL be in there and you'd never know about it.

NANP™

[David in Boston]

Can someone answer this about the Bigfoot controversy?

Why hasn't some "Good Olde Boy" who lives, eats and sleep the outdoors used his finely tuned tracking and hunting skills "bagged" one of these suckers?

He would be a multi-millionaire overnight.

[BigFoot]

But short. Much too short to be mistaken for Sasquatch. :laugh:

The Olympic peninsula in Washington state (where many sightings have occurred) is genuinely remote, however. Temperate rainforest, densely wooded, no roads into the interior. Sheena, Tarzan and El Dorado could ALL be in there and you'd never know about it.

My thoughts exactly.

NANP™


Can someone answer this about the Bigfoot controversy?

Why hasn't some "Good Olde Boy" who lives, eats and sleep the outdoors used his finely tuned tracking and hunting skills "bagged" one of these suckers?

He would be a multi-millionaire overnight.

We do not know the intelligence of this creature. If it is extremely smart with survival instincts it would be darn hard to hunt. Think how difficult, and the amount of work that goes into hunting a trophy Buck. Now compound that survival instinct with a much more acute intelligence..........Food for thought.

[DunEdinRanger]

Not sure what to believe. Gigantopithecus did exist. It is fact. Could the descendants still be here? Sealacamp, a 400 Million year old ancient prehistoric fish, thought to be extinct was found off the Madagascar coast. Food for thought.

No thanks, I'm not eating a 400 million year old fish. :lol:

[BigFoot]

No thanks, I'm not eating a 400 million year old fish. :lol:

I thought you were going to say Bigfoot is alive and well on your couch. Did you ever figure out who did that?:tongue_sm

[DunEdinRanger]

I thought you were going to say Bigfoot is alive and well on your couch. Did you ever figure out who did that?:tongue_sm

No, but to borrow a phrase, there is on who is "Vehemently Suspect" :lol:

[Chadtheguru]

You doubters should really watch Monsterquest more often. Hear it enough and you'll start to believe it. :001_tt2:

I really am convinced. Maybe the evidence is shaky or whatever, but there's to much of it for me to ignore. What evidence there is has to point to something.

[luvmysuper]

What evidence?

A goofy footprint here or there which could easily be faked? :lol: :lol:

Noises in the woods? :scared:

Where is the hair samples which have been DNA tested and shown to be NOT a deer, or a dog or a human? :glare:

Where is the scat? :blink:

Where are the bones? :confused1

Where are the photographs that don't resemble the UFO dinner plate on a string shots?

BF Believers will answer these questions by posing stumbling blocks like "the woods are lovely, dark and deep" and "Big Foot is so smart he can avoid digital thermal imaging" and "there's a secret big foot graveyard where they hide all the bones" but they never answer the questions.

In short, while there is nothing that proves that big foot doesn't exist, there is nothing that proves he does.

This means that those who do believe in big foot do so without a shred of scientific evidence. And that's ok. People can believe whatever they want to believe.

But until such time as evidence is provided, Big Foot believers unfortunately will likely be relegated to the ranks of Willie and Bubba who swear they got probed by aliens not 20 yards from the still. :a17: :alien:

[BigFoot]

What evidence?

A goofy footprint here or there which could easily be faked? :lol: :lol:

Noises in the woods? :scared:

Where is the hair samples which have been DNA tested and shown to be NOT a deer, or a dog or a human? :glare:

Where is the scat? :blink:

Where are the bones? :confused1

Where are the photographs that don't resemble the UFO dinner plate on a string shots?

BF Believers will answer these questions by posing stumbling blocks like "the woods are lovely, dark and deep" and "Big Foot is so smart he can avoid digital thermal imaging" and "there's a secret big foot graveyard where they hide all the bones" but they never answer the questions.

In short, while there is nothing that proves that big foot doesn't exist, there is nothing that proves he does.

This means that those who do believe in big foot do so without a shred of scientific evidence. And that's ok. People can believe whatever they want to believe.

But until such time as evidence is provided, Big Foot believers unfortunately will likely be relegated to the ranks of Willie and Bubba who swear they got probed by aliens not 20 yards from the still. :a17: :alien:

Damn that was fun though. I mean drinking from the still not the probing.:thumbup:

[luvmysuper]

Damn that was fun though. I mean drinking from the still not the probing.:thumbup:

I knew you'd be back in here after a post like that!! :lol: :thumbup: :thumbup:

[BigFoot]

I knew you'd be back in here after a post like that!! :lol: :thumbup: :thumbup:
:lol::lol:

Instant e-mail notification on this one buddy. :thumbup:

[luvmysuper]

Just testing the e-mail notification to see if I can slip one by Scott.

[BigFoot]

Just testing the e-mail notification to see if I can slip one by Scott.

Nope! :laugh:

[luvmysuper]

Nope! :laugh:

Oh, snap! :w00t:

Had a great ride today. 80 degrees and sunny. My wrist is killing me from not using a clutch all winter.

Didn't see any Big Foots (Big Feet? what's the plural?)






(actually I just added that last sentence to stay on topic) :thumbup1:

[BigFoot]

I was teaching a MC safety class this weekend. I did not have time to ride a lot. It is actually to warm here. Almost 90 yesterday, mid 80's today.

To stay on topic. I did not have Bigfoot in my class.:lol:







Oh, snap! :w00t:

Had a great ride today. 80 degrees and sunny. My wrist is killing me from not using a clutch all winter.

Didn't see any Big Foots (Big Feet? what's the plural?)






(actually I just added that last sentence to stay on topic) :thumbup1:

[Argonaut]

Bigfoot is in my back yard at this very moment, I think he's doing the Macarena. Maybe he's having a seizure, if he drops dead, you'll see me on the morning news.

[luvmysuper]

Bigfoot is in my back yard at this very moment, I think he's doing the Macarena. Maybe he's having a seizure, if he drops dead, you'll see me on the morning news.

If he falls into your lettuce patch, would that make it a seizure salad?

[BigFoot]

If he falls into your lettuce patch, would that make it a seizure salad?

Phil this is a very serious topic. Let's keep it on track. If I have to I will post a petition in the Stewards forum to gather support on your banning.:w00t::lol::lol::tongue_sm

[ouch]

Didn't see any Big Foots (Big Feet? what's the plural?)

Bigs foot.


I was teaching a MC safety class this weekend. I did not have time to ride a lot. It is actually to warm here. Almost 90 yesterday, mid 80's today.

To stay on topic. I did not have Bigfoot in my class.:lol:

I can't recommend a safety class enough. Anyone who gets a bike without taking a course is nuts.

[sharky007]

...."Down here in the deep south,we hunt dim suckers":biggrin1:

[mandoman]

fiction! fiction! fiction! :cursing:

[luvmysuper]

+1 on the Motorcycle Safety Course. A true life saver if there ever was one.
Besides, you never know when you might run over a group of Bigs Foot, and the evasive maneuvers alone would be worth the cost.


I saw a bigfoot drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's
His hair was perfect


Oh, wrong thread, sorry.

That was Scott. :w00t: :w00t: :w00t:


I love Warren Zevon.



Ok, actually I don't, that would be weird. But I do love his music.

[franz]

Bigs foot.


Like hors d'oeuvre, but hairier.

[BigFoot]

I can't recommend a safety class enough. Anyone who gets a bike without taking a course is nuts.

As a safety instructor I could not agree with you more. :thumbup:

Even Bigfoot should take one.......again just staying on topic.

[BigFoot]

+1 on the Motorcycle Safety Course. A true life saver if there ever was one.
Besides, you never know when you might run over a group of Bigs Foot, and the evasive maneuvers alone would be worth the cost.



That was Scott. :w00t: :w00t: :w00t:

I have been known to drink a Pina Colada on occasion. It is Bigfoots favorite as well.

[HoosierTrooper]

+1 on the Motorcycle Safety Course. A true life saver if there ever was one.
Besides, you never know when you might run over a group of Bigs Foot, and the evasive maneuvers alone would be worth the cost.



That was Scott. :w00t: :w00t: :w00t:


I love Warren Zevon.



Ok, actually I don't, that would be weird. But I do love his music.

Warren was a great songwriter and I miss him a lot. I've had a small tribute to him in my signature for a long time.

[DFrancis]

Warren was a great songwriter and I miss him a lot. I've had a small tribute to him in my signature for a long time.

Warren Zevon was excellent live, i saw him shortly before he found out how sick he was.

back on topic, I was Big Foot at the 7-11 today.
http://www.allancandy.com/files/2217000_1kg_bigfoot_front_lwr.jpg

[brianw]

a little known tube of Scott teaching his MC safety class

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON15Xtgx9zI

[DavyRay]

a little known tube of Scott teaching his MC safety class

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON15Xtgx9zI

I'm calling BS! There is no helmet in sight.

For shame!

[BigFoot]

I'm calling BS! There is no helmet in sight.

For shame!

Thats right......As instructors we have to wear proper riding gear while conducting class. :thumbup::thumbup:

[The Pontificator]

HDStreetGlide's car spotted at Wal-Mart!

Nice ride ya got there, Scott! :lol::lol::laugh::laugh::thumbup:

http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/25971.jpg

[DFrancis]

Scott went out card shopping.
http://whiteninjacomics.com/images/comics/friendsucks.gif

[BigFoot]

Scott went out card shopping.
http://whiteninjacomics.com/images/comics/friendsucks.gif

Back to the Clown House. This thread is for serious Bigfoot enthusiasts only. :lol::lol:

[brianw]

Nothing posted recently...... Well Scott you may have Bigfoot.......but we have....http://theshadowlands.net/jd.htm

[BigFoot]

Nothing posted recently...... Well Scott you may have Bigfoot.......but we have....http://theshadowlands.net/jd.htm

I am not sure what the Devils have to do with Bigfoot.:blink: I am more of a Western Conference fan.:thumbup1: I did enjoy watching Miroslav Satan play though.:tongue_sm

[klassic1]

Its a Qwijibo!!! (Qwee-Jee-Bo)

A dumb
bald
North American Ape
with a short temper!!!!!!!!!

[surpera1]

i think the bigfoot sightings are just B&B members who havent shaved that day - hahahahahhahaah - but seriously - i tend to believe - the reports go back centuries - even the indians were reporting such a creature - some reports are indeed faked - but i dont think that everyone is lying - they have indeed seen something - and bears aint 8 feet tall and take off running on 2 legs - my research seems to indicat that they are nocturnal for the most part - and can travel great distances routinely in search of food - seem curious about humans - really interesting stuff to me - but i also believe in UFOS and in ghosts - i used to travel the US extensively by truck with my work - many times i saw something in the air i could not identify - not a cloud , bird , airplane , helicopter , man i just didnt know what it was - and ghosts ? i work in a long term care facility where literally hundreds of people have died - is it haunted ? you bet - all the time i find water faucets turned on all by themselves - our ghost has a sense of humor - likes to close the drain on the tubs - then turn the water on in unused rooms - man - by the time we discover it the water has got all over everything and went through the floor - we have 4 floors - over and over and over the same thing happens there - management is always crawling our *** thinking its an employee doing this

[BigFoot]

Its a Qwijibo!!! (Qwee-Jee-Bo)

A dumb
bald
North American Ape
with a short temper!!!!!!!!!
:blink::001_huh::001_huh::blink:



i think the bigfoot sightings are just B&B members who havent shaved that day - hahahahahhahaah - but seriously - i tend to believe - the reports go back centuries - even the indians were reporting such a creature - some reports are indeed faked - but i dont think that everyone is lying - they have indeed seen something - and bears aint 8 feet tall and take off running on 2 legs - my research seems to indicat that they are nocturnal for the most part - and can travel great distances routinely in search of food - seem curious about humans - really interesting stuff to me - but i also believe in UFOS and in ghosts - i used to travel the US extensively by truck with my work - many times i saw something in the air i could not identify - not a cloud , bird , airplane , helicopter , man i just didnt know what it was - and ghosts ? i work in a long term care facility where literally hundreds of people have died - is it haunted ? you bet - all the time i find water faucets turned on all by themselves - our ghost has a sense of humor - likes to close the drain on the tubs - then turn the water on in unused rooms - man - by the time we discover it the water has got all over everything and went through the floor - we have 4 floors - over and over and over the same thing happens there - management is always crawling our *** thinking its an employee doing this

See Phil another believer!:thumbup::thumbup:

[luvmysuper]

:blink::001_huh::001_huh::blink:


Bart Simpson kwyjibo Scrabble

Google "Bart the Genius".



See Phil another believer!:thumbup::thumbup:

Ahem.

Yes, yes I see. 'nuff said. :w00t:

[PerfectAngle]

but how sure can we possibly be that "we're the only ones?" Seriously?. ;)

Speaking as a hardcore skeptic, I have to say that we aren't saying that we're the "only ones", just that there hasn't been any credible evidence of contact here on Earth. Yet.

On a related note, the Area 51 conspiracy theorists (and I'm not saying anyone here falls into that camp), to me, give "the government" way too much credit for being able to keep a secret.

[surpera1]

well - the government hasnt done a good job of keeping the secret - there are leaks all over the place - just no smoking gun

[brianw]

Hey Scott have a new piece of headgear for you.....
Here (http://www.stopabductions.com/)

[surpera1]

well - that makes sense - i mean - if i had been abducted and probed - hahahahaahahah - i would be trying to invent something to stop it for sure - hahahahahah

[BigFoot]

Hey Scott have a new piece of headgear for you.....
Here (http://www.stopabductions.com/)

I have yet to have an alien experience. So the hat really does work. :w00t:

[HoosierTrooper]

Hey Scott have a new piece of headgear for you.....
Here (http://www.stopabductions.com/)

"Only three failures have been reported since 1998." That's pretty darn impressive.