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The Knize
11-22-2010, 10:15 AM
I have bought three Chinese fountain pens recently on EBay. The ink will not pull up into the converter from the nib or flow down from the converter to the nib for two of them. The seller is sending me replacement pens in each case, after I paid another $1.50 for insurancce, supposedly because he though the nib might have been cracked in shipping.

Not sure that makes any sense to me, anyway, and no sign of damage in shipping.

Anyone have any similar issues or have any ideas as to what might be wrong with the pens?

Also of some concern is that the seller seems to be the same in each case, but is using two different names. The feedback ratings are pretty high, with lots of sales under each. The price sure seems right, if the ink would flow!

These are pens selling for around $1.00 a piece, with around $9.00 shipping. They are heavy and really quite good looking and are not that I know of stealing US designs such as the cheaper Heros do. The one that works writes nicely.

I think one of the pens that does not work is a Hero in a Confucius commemerative design. The other is a B351 HUASHILAI, supposedly, in an acrylic colorful barrel design. Both, as I say, very pretty and quite heavy. A pleasure to hold in one's hand.

I have excellent vintage Waterman and Schaeffer fountain pens to use if I am actually doing extenive writing, which is not very often these days. I am not looking for a great pen in these Chinese versions.

I do like the idea of having a nice, good looking heavy broad tip fountain pens to carry around without worry about losing them or anything. Also, it seems like it would be fun if someone admired one of these pens to be able to just give them the pen!

Also, I like having pens loaded with a bunch of different inks, ready to use.

So they would fit the bill for what I want, if ink would actually flow and if they write nearly as well as the one pen that works!

I have a bunch of the cheap Heros, the 616s or whatever, they are nice for having a lot of different inks available. But they seem to tend to leak when one carried them around, and the caps slide off and the like. Also too thin a nib and way too light in weight for my preferences. I do not think that that anyone is going to confuse them for a real Parker 51, so I am not too concerned about infringement!

superbleu
11-22-2010, 11:54 AM
Can't help you much with the other pen, but for a P51 clone that won't break the bank, check out the hero 100, much better built than the 616. Thicker and heavier. Having said that, I really like the 616 for a cheap throw around pen.

Austin
11-22-2010, 12:05 PM
Chinese pens are hit or miss. I have used Hero pens that worked flawlessly and I have also bought Heros that don't write well. You get what you pay for.

bradyarz
11-22-2010, 12:08 PM
i have the hero 616, 100, and 329. i'm liking the line from the 100 a little better than the 329. i almost never use the 616... the 329 seemed better to me.

AdrianR
11-22-2010, 01:56 PM
Like pretty much everything else, you get what you pay for.
I use Parker 45's as throwaround, everyday pens and a Cross Townsend as 'best'.

Legion
11-22-2010, 05:25 PM
Can't help you much with the other pen, but for a P51 clone that won't break the bank, check out the hero 100, much better built than the 616. Thicker and heavier. Having said that, I really like the 616 for a cheap throw around pen.
+1 to everything he said. My Hero 100 lives on my desk at home and is about the only pen I use, even though there are a bunch of real Parker 51's in a box just near it. I like the really fine line it gives. I have some 616's at work, they are OK for the cost but I pretty much consider them disposable. The 100 is a keeper.

rickboone1
11-22-2010, 05:35 PM
Do a soak of 1part ammonia and 10 parts water. Often it may be some grease or something from the factory clogging things up.

Have you tried different inks? If you're using Noodler's it may be too saturated to use. May need to put a few drops of water in there, which will lighten the color too.

Search the bay, get a Pilot 78G. Shipped for $10. Get a B nib. One of my best and most favorite writing pens I own. If you want a classier version get a Prera. They're fat, not my thing. And, they're around $40ish. Seriously, Pilot 78G. I'd send you one myself, but can't pry it from my hands.

Have you burped the pens? Do they have the standard twist up converters? If they do, remove the converter, fill it with ink. Turn pen nib up, twist converter to move ink into feeder and nib. You will see ink come out of nib area (bubble). Back the twist the other way and you should be in business.

Many ebay sellers from China have multiple names, yet are the same business/ person.

The Knize
11-22-2010, 05:45 PM
Chinese pens are hit or miss. I have used Hero pens that worked flawlessly and I have also bought Heros that don't write well. You get what you pay for.

I will try the soak in ammonia to see if it is grease or similar. Coverter is typcal screw converter. When I screw it down ink seems to come out above or at the top of the nib. I have used various inks, including but not limited to Noodler's. Either something is clogginng the path to the tip of the nib or that path was not established or properly established in the first instance, as far as I can tell!

I am guessing that both of these would write fine, if any ink were getting to the tip of the nib. They write fine as dip pens!

<You get what you pay for.>

Yes and no. If it worked at all but wrote poorly, I would not complain too much. The fact that it does not work at all and no ink is getting to the tip is beyond "getting what I paid for." I do not think the seller or anyone else would consider that I was buying a pen that I could put ink into, but where the ink would no go anywhere from the reservoir!

Like I said in the original post, I have good fountain pens, and I know what they are like, and I adore them. I realize I am not getting top quality here and I am willing to put up with some hassle, but not with the ink not reaching the end of the nib!

MichaeltheRomanHistorian
11-22-2010, 05:48 PM
I second rickboone1's post, I have that same Confucius pen and the converter, as supplied, was ok but it didn't want to draw ink up (I think it was clogged). I did that trick and it was better. The alternative was to fill the converter directly or use it as a cartridge pen (caveat: I own non-Chinese fountain pens as well, including Yard-O-Led and Caran d'Ache and others). I have since replaced that converter with an aerometric mini-converter (I got that off E-bay).

I did find that Confucius pen is an ink hog though (perhaps symbolic of an academic/philosopher type like Confucius and men like myself who ... are loquacious. :tongue_sm ). You will end up refilling it often but it does work nicely once you get it going.

I have some good Chinese pens, though. Duke is a good Chinese manufacturer and my Hero 616 is a little scratchy but good enough (I use it for marking).

Austin
11-22-2010, 05:52 PM
Robbie, if you are looking for a good writing throw away f-pen, I would suggest Kaweco pens. The sport is only $15. I carry these in my jean pockets when I wear polo shirts.

http://isellpens.com/kaweco.html

rickboone1
11-22-2010, 05:52 PM
Let them soak for a good day or so. Don't put the barrel or converter in the solution. Just the nib, feed and section; unless you can separate them, then the section need not go in.

It's weird that you're getting ink up to the nib though. Sounds like a clog in the feed. I will bet the solution works wonders for you. Either that or the nib is somehow clogged. Be it some tiny debris or some sort of wax coating.

The Knize
11-22-2010, 09:11 PM
Robbie, if you are looking for a good writing throw away f-pen, I would suggest Kaweco pens. The sport is only $15. I carry these in my jean pockets when I wear polo shirts.

http://isellpens.com/kaweco.html

Thanks. I like it. I like that color green. Can you convert to an ink dropper pen?



I second rickboone1's post, I have that same Confucius pen and the converter, as supplied, was ok but it didn't want to draw ink up (I think it was clogged). I did that trick and it was better. The alternative was to fill the converter directly or use it as a cartridge pen (caveat: I own non-Chinese fountain pens as well, including Yard-O-Led and Caran d'Ache and others). I have since replaced that converter with an aerometric mini-converter (I got that off E-bay).

I did find that Confucius pen is an ink hog though (perhaps symbolic of an academic/philosopher type like Confucius and men like myself who ... are loquacious. :tongue_sm ). You will end up refilling it often but it does work nicely once you get it going.

I have some good Chinese pens, though. Duke is a good Chinese manufacturer and my Hero 616 is a little scratchy but good enough (I use it for marking).

I do not mind filling the converter directly, but ink is still not getting to the end of the nib. I do not mind it being thirsty either! What is the advantage of the aeromatic mini-converter over what it came with? larger capacity?

Thanks for all of th help everyone. Good stuff!

rickboone1
11-22-2010, 09:37 PM
I like those Kaweco's too! Dang it. I doubt you can make these eye droppers. Wait, no. no.... actually looking more at the photos, I'd bet you could. Wish pics would enlarge, but they don't. Probably the Same way you would a Preppy. I'm not a fan of eyedroppers, but to each their own. Unless there's a vent hole at the top of the barrel you probably could.

Why? The o ring gets in the way of my grip and annoys me. I get tired of that ink color before I use it all up.

I'd have to go with the white Broad nib.

The Knize
11-22-2010, 10:29 PM
I like those Kaweco's too! Dang it. I doubt you can make these eye droppers. Wait, no. no.... actually looking more at the photos, I'd bet you could. Wish pics would enlarge, but they don't. Probably the Same way you would a Preppy. I'm not a fan of eyedroppers, but to each their own. Unless there's a vent hole at the top of the barrel you probably could.

Why? The o ring gets in the way of my grip and annoys me. I get tired of that ink color before I use it all up.

I'd have to go with the white Broad nib.

I find some marine expoxy will generally fill in any vent holes!

MichaeltheRomanHistorian
11-22-2010, 11:17 PM
Thanks. I like it. I like that color green. Can you convert to an ink dropper pen?




I do not mind filling the converter directly, but ink is still not getting to the end of the nib. I do not mind it being thirsty either! What is the advantage of the aeromatic mini-converter over what it came with? larger capacity?

Thanks for all of th help everyone. Good stuff!

Hi The Knize,

No advantage, it's actually got less capacity due to its size (about half the size or so of the original converter) but I needed the original converter for another pen and had this one laying around (I had bought a 4 pack on E-bay and only needed one for my pocket Victorian from Yard-O-Led) and I found it did pick up the ink a bit more easily than the one it came with.

I can't help but wonder now if something wasn't stuck in the little tube where you connect the converter. Perhaps it's a blockage there that's the main problem (we'll have to figure out if the soak in ammonia does the trick). If something else is blocking it then I have no clue. I had a similar problem, something was half blocking that little tube so I took a heated sewing needle and sort of plunged it through (probably inadvisable but I was curious). Unless you're happy with it as a dip pen then you may have to return it if we can't figure this out. :( It's a gorgeous pen, though.

With regard to the Kawecos, I know some guys over on a fountain pen forum I'm on have converted them to eye-droppers (I converted an old Sheaffer cartridge to an eye-dropper with the application of some silicon grease on the threads of the main body and no O-ring).

rickboone1
11-23-2010, 03:37 PM
I wonder why we are saying "you get what you pay for"? Does this mean that a $4 Fusion blade will shave better over a .15 cent DE blade?


Hi The Knize,

No advantage, it's actually got less capacity due to its size (about half the size or so of the original converter) but I needed the original converter for another pen and had this one laying around (I had bought a 4 pack on E-bay and only needed one for my pocket Victorian from Yard-O-Led) and I found it did pick up the ink a bit more easily than the one it came with.

I can't help but wonder now if something wasn't stuck in the little tube where you connect the converter. Perhaps it's a blockage there that's the main problem (we'll have to figure out if the soak in ammonia does the trick). If something else is blocking it then I have no clue. I had a similar problem, something was half blocking that little tube so I took a heated sewing needle and sort of plunged it through (probably inadvisable but I was curious). Unless you're happy with it as a dip pen then you may have to return it if we can't figure this out. :( It's a gorgeous pen, though.

With regard to the Kawecos, I know some guys over on a fountain pen forum I'm on have converted them to eye-droppers (I converted an old Sheaffer cartridge to an eye-dropper with the application of some silicon grease on the threads of the main body and no O-ring).

Michael, if you are to heat up the needle will it not possibly melt the little tube or stretch it out, thus causing too much flow?

The Knize
11-23-2010, 03:55 PM
A new pen just arrived from the Chinese seller. Seems to work perfectly right out of the box! Really good looking and feeling pen. Probably a bit of feathering, and bleed through of ink. I bet it will be a thirsty pen. Very smooth writer, though. Nice broad nib--probably not as broad as a European broad nib would be though. When the cap is put on the barrel opposite the nib, it seems a little insecure, but the cap seems very tight and secure when on the nib end.

Hard to believe they can make, sell on EBay through PayPal, and ship to the States an instrument like this, for, what, $9.00? And if I can get the other nib working I will have two of these for $10.50. In any event I sure have an extra barrel, cap, and converter, even if the nib never works for that price!

I do not see how American labor and business is ever going to be able to compete with this, but I selfishly am pretty content with the deal!

rickboone1
11-23-2010, 04:12 PM
A new pen just arrived from the Chinese seller. Seems to work perfectly right out of the box! Really good looking and feeling pen. Probably a bit of feathering, and bleed through of ink. I bet it will be a thirsty pen. Very smooth writer, though. Nice broad nib--probably not as broad as a European broad nib would be though. When the cap is put on the barrel opposite the nib, it seems a little insecure, but the cap seems very tight and secure when on the nib end.

Hard to believe they can make, sell on EBay through PayPal, and ship to the States an instrument like this, for, what, $9.00? And if I can get the other nib working I will have two of these for $10.50. In any event I sure have an extra barrel, cap, and converter, even if the nib never works for that price!

I do not see how American labor and business is ever going to be able to compete with this, but I selfishly am pretty content with the deal!

Feathering may just be your paper choice. Or, you may be able to adjust the nib tines a titch and reduce some ink flow, thus reducing feathering. Glad it worked well for you. I want to get that other one working. Sounds like a great seller you participated with.

I like Chinese things. Some. Food especially. I think we get bad connotations of Chinese made products what with the dollar store-break in a minute-items. That, and the recalls for using lead based paint, etc. But, that's another topic entirely. Importantly, you got a working pen now.

The Knize
11-23-2010, 06:33 PM
Feathering may just be your paper choice. Or, you may be able to adjust the nib tines a titch and reduce some ink flow, thus reducing feathering. Glad it worked well for you. I want to get that other one working. Sounds like a great seller you participated with.

I like Chinese things. Some. Food especially. I think we get bad connotations of Chinese made products what with the dollar store-break in a minute-items. That, and the recalls for using lead based paint, etc. But, that's another topic entirely. Importantly, you got a working pen now.

<I want to get that other one working. >

More in a separate PM, but you will have your chance! The original pen is on its way to you as I write this!! :biggrin1:

I like the big flow of ink so far. You are probably correct that the feathering is more paper than nib. I could probably choose a different ink, too, and get less feathering. It is not actually bad or anything! I just know what I am seeing!

Again, I am not saying this is a great fountain pen. I own quite good if not quite excellent fountain pens, and they are truly at a completely different level. But I am impressed with the seller, and I am having fun with the pen. And I will not cry is some ink I am playing around with or other clogs it up!

I truly enjoy fountain pens and, especially recently for some reasons, inks!

rickboone1
11-23-2010, 06:59 PM
<I want to get that other one working. >

More in a separate PM, but you will have your chance! The original pen is on its way to you as I write this!! :biggrin1:

I like the big flow of ink so far. You are probably correct that the feathering is more paper than nib. I could probably choose a different ink, too, and get less feathering. It is not actually bad or anything! I just know what I am seeing!

Again, I am not saying this is a great fountain pen. I own quite good if not quite excellent fountain pens, and they are truly at a completely different level. But I am impressed with the seller, and I am having fun with the pen. And I will not cry is some ink I am playing around with or other clogs it up!

I truly enjoy fountain pens and, especially recently for some reasons, inks!

I imagine for work you have certain stationary. Other than that, do you have a paper choice? Hey, if ink does clog it, it can be salvaged rather easily with a soak.

MichaeltheRomanHistorian
11-23-2010, 07:36 PM
I wonder why we are saying "you get what you pay for"? Does this mean that a $4 Fusion blade will shave better over a .15 cent DE blade?



Michael, if you are to heat up the needle will it not possibly melt the little tube or stretch it out, thus causing too much flow?

Hi Rick,

It did cause it to stretch a little (which is kind of what I wanted) as I thought the flow was a bit weak so it is a little thirsty now but a good writer. I usually write on some heavy antique laid paper from Southworth, 32lb paper in ivory which means little feathering at least. It's a heavy pen so I don't use it often for a lot of heavy writing but it is nice for letters and the occasional signature.

I actually like most Chinese made fountain pens (my father and I are leery of products from China at times (and he's from the PRC originally)) but generally, I've found many fountain pens (at least) are decent enough and some of them are works of art. I bought a Baoer, a while back, that was gorgeous (it is meant to look like a Qing Dynasty official in court attire in some ways.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/media/content/20101021/194560.jpg
Imagine that as a pen and that's what I have. Solid black body with a gold clip and the black cap just like the official's hat and the red top with a little golden bead at the time.

They may not all be as pleasant as my Parker (particularly my 1940s vintage one from my uncle's private collection, which was a gift to him from an old friend) or my Yard-O-Led, but they're not half bad. I've noticed something interesting, though. Most of the men I know who wet shave are also men who enjoy fountain pens and antique watches (I collect WWI era trench watches and pocket watches). Coincidence? :001_tongu

Austin
11-23-2010, 07:51 PM
Robbie, I just ordered this Nisstiiv Safety Fountain Pen.

http://www.miranijewelers.com/marlen.htm

I've heard good things about this pen. I will let you know how she writes.

DavyRay
11-23-2010, 08:00 PM
Hi Rick,

It did cause it to stretch a little (which is kind of what I wanted) as I thought the flow was a bit weak so it is a little thirsty now but a good writer. I usually write on some heavy antique laid paper from Southworth, 32lb paper in ivory which means little feathering at least. It's a heavy pen so I don't use it often for a lot of heavy writing but it is nice for letters and the occasional signature.

I actually like most Chinese made fountain pens (my father and I are leery of products from China at times (and he's from the PRC originally)) but generally, I've found many fountain pens (at least) are decent enough and some of them are works of art. I bought a Baoer, a while back, that was gorgeous (it is meant to look like a Qing Dynasty official in court attire in some ways.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/media/content/20101021/194560.jpg
Imagine that as a pen and that's what I have. Solid black body with a gold clip and the black cap just like the official's hat and the red top with a little golden bead at the time.

They may not all be as pleasant as my Parker (particularly my 1940s vintage one from my uncle's private collection, which was a gift to him from an old friend) or my Yard-O-Led, but they're not half bad. I've noticed something interesting, though. Most of the men I know who wet shave are also men who enjoy fountain pens and antique watches (I collect WWI era trench watches and pocket watches). Coincidence? :001_tongu

Yes, it is a coincidence. We don't use film cameras, or have darkrooms, or drive a stick-shift, or collect old hand tools, and we don't sharpen things. I only have one wind-up watch.

I am restoring a couple of fountain pens, one rootbeer swirl Esterbrook in particular.

To the OP, good job shipping your pen off for some work. Good luck.

rickboone1
11-23-2010, 08:07 PM
Okay, I would think it'd make it stretch out. And, likely improve ink flow, correct?

MichaeltheRomanHistorian
11-23-2010, 08:14 PM
Hi Rick,

It does cause a bit (I was careful to find an appropriate sized needle from my sewing kit) and I feel it did improve ink flow. In hindsight it was a bit risky but I felt like taking that risk was a gamble worth taking and it paid off with better performance from my pen. Would I do it again? I'm not sure.

The Knize
11-23-2010, 08:32 PM
I imagine for work you have certain stationary. Other than that, do you have a paper choice? Hey, if ink does clog it, it can be salvaged rather easily with a soak.

Believe it to not, these days I write more on a steno pad than on anything else. That and on the back of documents, and on the front, more to take notes than even edit these days. I do not even find myself writing on legal pads all that often. I guess I also write frequently on a Moleskine pad I carry in my back pocket. Pretty meager amount of writing and pretty meager stationary!


Robbie, I just ordered this Nisstiiv Safety Fountain Pen.

http://www.miranijewelers.com/marlen.htm

I've heard good things about this pen. I will let you know how she writes.

That is very cool. I look forward to hearing about it!

rickboone1
11-23-2010, 09:16 PM
You know, truth be told, I have a Steno pad in my briefcase all the time. I always take them from my mom's when I go to visit. I wish I had perforated pages, but I love the size of them and the paper is quite good. Good enough for me at least. I would like something to hold a tablet this size, maybe down to a 5x8 and my planner. I'll find something.

Of course, my mother can write in shorthand, which, I suppose is why the Greg Ruled Steno pads were developed. I have a Rhodia pad I carry with me in my back pocket. Small 3x3, I think? I like it for quick notes. I have a small journal, pocket size, and to me it's too ackward to write in as it doesn't lay flat enough so it's always getting in my way. I'll fill it up though. I have it dedicated to a certain topic. I've tried the cheaper spiral tablet style pocket notepads for carrying, but the sweat messes them up too quickly. The refillable ones...no thanks. The backing or hardening material creases or breaks. It's nice to always have paper handy. Get an idea, see some place you want to eat on the train ride home (we don't have trains here, but anyway). A song you want to buy you heard. Whatever. I'm not overly partial to Rhoida paper, but the tablet is well constructed. I think I may try one of those field note notebooks when my current notepad empties. Though, I don't THINK they have perforated sheets. Not certain. Not a deal breaker though.

The Knize
11-28-2010, 01:54 PM
UPDATE: I have the Hero Confucius pen working. I took the nib and feed off, and ran a sharp point down the length of the lengthwise canal in the feed, and reassembled.

I am guessing that there were a few stray pieces of plastic from the manufacture sticking out in to that canal and or any capilateries at the bottm of it.

Great looking pen. Nice writer. [Delete: "Heavy]" Medium ink flow. Medium [delete:"broad"] nib. Smooth.

EDIT: I compared the pens side by side. I would say the Hero Confucious has a narrower nib, and a less prodigous ink flow than the other two. Each one is smooth and nice

rickboone1 has the other pen. I leave it to describe what he has tried!

MichaeltheRomanHistorian
11-28-2010, 04:44 PM
Nice, The Knize. :) Glad you were able to save it. Is it as thirsty as we thought it might be?

rickboone1
11-28-2010, 05:56 PM
UPDATE: I have the Hero Confucius pen working. I took the nib and feed off, and ran a sharp point down the length of the lengthwise canal in the feed, and reassembled.

I am guessing that there were a few stray pieces of plastic from the manufacture sticking out in to that canal and or any capilateries at the bottm of it.

Great looking pen. Nice writer. Heavy ink flow. Medium broad nib. Smooth.

rickboone1 has the other pen. I leave it to describe what he has tried!

The other is indeed working. Made from cheap plastics on an injection mold stray parts are bound to end up impeding ink flow. Additionally, I learned smooth plastic repels ink, thus causing more problems. Vintage pens used bakelite or hard rubber and such to make their feeds.

I first got the pen I soaked it. Upon taking it apart I notice the feed had some extra pieces on it. Much like when you take model car parts apart, that little piece left behind from breaking it off the tree.

Gave it a good cleaning to get any residues, films, etc. the factory may have put on there.

I took an Xacto and opened the feed channels a bit.

Inked up and started writing. But, skipping bad. Adjusted the nib (about 23 times) :). Got it going what I thought was good but it just stopped writing.

Little more with the Xacto.

Changed out the converter and went to cartridge. Worked okay. Still wanted to keep stopping.

I then sanded the interior of the section and the feed.

Lastly I had to heat up and form the feed to be better in line with the nib. Now, it seems quite okay. A very flimsy nib and an extremely wet writer. I'm probably going to transplant the feed and nib and replace it with a Sheaffer No Nonsense. I believe these will fit just fine and I have a nice italic nib in the NN. Just have to get some Sheaffer carts. Or, get a good converter.

The pen has great weight and is quite a beauty. This is the first Chinese pen I've had this many problems with. Crazy. But, it was fun fixing it. I know squat about pens so it was fun calling on some resources and educating myself and Robbie at the same time. We had a blast.

brianw
11-28-2010, 07:12 PM
I am so happy my seeds sprouted, and plus 1 on the kaweco

The Knize
11-28-2010, 08:51 PM
It was a lot of fun fooling around with these pens, for sure.

The pens seem to put out a lot of ink, which I like, but I do not have a judgment yet as to whether they are thirsty in the sense of usinng up ink at an obnoxious rate.

Yeah, BrianW gets substantial credit or blame here. I sure wouldn't be taking these things apart, inquiring about conversions to inkdroppers, or have this intense obsession with inks, but for him! And I would not be buying up a bunch of pens--albeit cheap ones from China--but for him.

But I want on the record that I did own and for years used fountain pens, before I started writing nearly exclusively on a computer).:001_smile Also, that I had a big interest in Spencerian script, with the accompanying dip pens, iron inks, etc., although had not done much with actually learning hot to do it!

DunEdinRanger
12-05-2010, 06:52 PM
I am so happy my seeds sprouted, and plus 1 on the kaweco

Yeah, you got me hooked me too!

craig87c
12-07-2010, 11:06 PM
I am so happy my seeds sprouted, and plus 1 on the kaweco

At least I'm not the only one!

LuckyR
12-10-2010, 04:12 PM
It was a lot of fun fooling around with these pens, for sure.

The pens seem to put out a lot of ink, which I like, but I do not have a judgment yet as to whether they are thirsty in the sense of usinng up ink at an obnoxious rate.

Yeah, BrianW gets substantial credit or blame here. I sure wouldn't be taking these things apart, inquiring about conversions to inkdroppers, or have this intense obsession with inks, but for him! And I would not be buying up a bunch of pens--albeit cheap ones from China--but for him.

But I want on the record that I did own and for years used fountain pens, before I started writing nearly exclusively on a computer).:001_smile Also, that I had a big interest in Spencerian script, with the accompanying dip pens, iron inks, etc., although had not done much with actually learning hot to do it!


You can do do a decent Spencerian script with a standard fountain pen if you have a flexible nib. Not the easiest thing in the world to find, but do-able.

The Knize
12-10-2010, 08:01 PM
You can do do a decent Spencerian script with a standard fountain pen if you have a flexible nib. Not the easiest thing in the world to find, but do-able.

Thanks for writing in. Any suggestions as to brands, etc.? It really wasn't/isn't the dip pens and iron inks that is the issue for me and Spencerian script! It is making myself practice.

rickboone1
12-10-2010, 08:05 PM
Thanks for writing in. Any suggestions as to brands, etc.? It really wasn't/isn't the dip pens and iron inks that is the issue for me and Spencerian script! It is making myself practice.

Suggestions for a flexible nib? If so, just this week Noodler's announced their first? Flex nib pen. It is $14 plus shipping. A great deal for flex nib. Goulet pens had some. May have sold out? A couple of other online retailers have had them. Being they were released this week, could have sold out?

The Knize
12-10-2010, 08:13 PM
Thanks. I will grab one. Have been wanting a Noodlers pen anyway!

LuckyR
12-11-2010, 03:13 PM
Thanks for writing in. Any suggestions as to brands, etc.? It really wasn't/isn't the dip pens and iron inks that is the issue for me and Spencerian script! It is making myself practice.

For a very good semi flex (some are purported to be true flex) nib in a (to my eye) beautiful pen, without breaking the bank, I would (and have) used a vintage Esterbrook J and a NOS 9048 nib. You might be good to go for about $50.