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Brownbear
10-23-2010, 01:52 PM
Went to my local barber shop for a haircut today. This is a hybrid classic barber shop (hunting and fishing and motorcycle magazines, workingman's decor and so on but one of the younger barber's sports 4 gauge ear plugs) with one middle aged barber and one semi retired old guy in residence this morning. I mentioned to them that I was starting to shave with a straight and it generated a lot of discussion, it being a slow morning. They stopped shaving customers in the 80s but clearly had a lot of experience prior to that. I left the shop with the end of an alum block to make my fingers stickier to stretch my skin and the promise that they would give me one of their old used lather machines when they drug it out of the closet.

Asked about my soap and we had a discussion about the locally available Williamns and VDH. The barber was of the opinion that the VDH wasn't any good because it had that jelly stuff in it (the store only carries the glycerin based pucks) and that you couldn't get a good lather out of Williams any more. Said it was just thin and frothy. He rooted around in his closet and pulled out a paper bag with a puck of Williams the likes of which I had never seen. It was brown, had totally different stamping on top and bottom and smelled wonderfully like tallow. He said he had bought large quantities from the barber's supply, it was his last puck. I would have offered to buy it from him but it didn't seem right.

The older fellow, maybe mid 60's wanted to talk about my strop. He asked what I treated it with and recommended either just rubbing my hand on it or putting it in the sun (on one of our rare days with sun) and rubbing fat from a steak on it. He didn't think much of the idea of using lather, although he said that is what he used on his hone. He also said "you are going to cut your stop" (hah, been there, done that) and that he didn't use a cloth strop except to clean the blade. I think when my Screaming Pig strop gets here I'll take it in to show him, he was really interested in where you buy a strop these days and how much it costs.

He had some other really interesting things to say. Said you could have a razor that was your favorite, use it all day for weeks and then one day it just wouldn't work. No matter what you did to it, it just wouldn't work. You'd throw it in a box and get out one of your other ones and use it till it stopped working, then pull the other one out after a year or 6 months and it would be working again. He mentioned this twice with an air of wonder at the magic of it. He had several razors in his rotation and put each of them aside to rest for several months and they would be good again.

I asked him how he kept his razors sharp and he used a barber's hone with lather every three days or so and stropping in between. Didn't seem to ever send them out for more formal honing. I may take a hone and razor in on a slow day sometime and ask him to demonstrate how he would use the barber's hone.

It was an interesting conversation, I hope they weren't kidding about the lather machine, that would be fun to try. But echoing Thebigspendur's response to my thread about razor types, neither of these guys talked about type of razor or brand or grind, it was all about technique and the nuances of maintenance. I got the impression they bought whatever razors the barber's supply shop had and didn't think too much about it.

rockviper
10-23-2010, 02:12 PM
Nice story. Thank you!

dakotaev
10-23-2010, 02:25 PM
Cool story, you said he did mention he has a favorite razor that would stop working, I wonder if it was a favorite of a bunch of the same make/model or if they have several makes/models. This is in reference to the last paragraph.

Brownbear
10-23-2010, 02:55 PM
Good point, I got the impression that it was a rhetorical concept (ie it was a razor you used often and knew quite well) to emphasize that whether it worked or not was not quite in your control. But I will ask him next time I go in. I'm figuring I have something good to talk about when I go in next time aside from politics and sports (much more hazardous than straight razors) so this was just the first lesson in barbering history. I'll post again when I learn more.


Cool story, you said he did mention he has a favorite razor that would stop working, I wonder if it was a favorite of a bunch of the same make/model or if they have several makes/models. This is in reference to the last paragraph.

ramon
10-23-2010, 02:59 PM
good story I think your barber enjoy having this conversation

gull
10-23-2010, 03:15 PM
Stories like this give me a warm fuzzy feeling. It also makes me feel great that I use a straight!


"He had some other really interesting things to say. Said you could have a razor that was your favorite, use it all day for weeks and then one day it just wouldn't work. No matter what you did to it, it just wouldn't work. You'd throw it in a box and get out one of your other ones and use it till it stopped working, then pull the other one out after a year or 6 months and it would be working again. He mentioned this twice with an air of wonder at the magic of it. He had several razors in his rotation and put each of them aside to rest for several months and they would be good again.

Hopefully that isn't true! I was hoping that I could get by with one razor forever...

Brownbear
10-23-2010, 03:28 PM
Would you mind donating a DNA sample? I'm curious and envious as to how you avoid RAD, speaking as one with over 40 safety razors and a collection of 7 straights a mere month into his straight shaving venture :lol:

If I were married I would have been grounded on acquisitions a year ago, as it is my SO thinks I am somewhat wacky but basically harmless so she is happy merely to make fun of me. But then I counter by asking how much she spends in a year getting her pedicures, eyebrow jobs and haircuts, and she quiets down.


Stories like this give me a warm fuzzy feeling. It also makes me feel great that I use a straight!



Hopefully that isn't true! I was hoping that I could get by with one razor forever...

Isaac
10-23-2010, 03:36 PM
I wish my barber was like this. Hes a master barber and I really dont know where the master part fits in. He says to never use any type of stones to sharpen a blade, to only use a strop. Sad sad sad.

rm71
10-23-2010, 03:49 PM
Nice story. Thanks for sharing.

Dennard
10-23-2010, 08:32 PM
You gotta love the old fashioned barber shops. Great story.

weenerdog3443
10-23-2010, 08:47 PM
Ah I remember being as young as 8 or 9 and my dad taking me into shops like that. It is rare to find a good place. Even after moving back home and not being to the barber after 10 years my barber still knew me when I walked back in the door. And its so nice to go in on a slow day and hear his vietnam stories and give me tips on shaving while I get a nice shave.

rickboone1
10-23-2010, 10:05 PM
Very cool. Thanks.

Chimensch
10-24-2010, 12:38 AM
Forget about the lather machine, they're a real PIA to keep running if used only once a day.

Swashbuckler
10-24-2010, 03:30 AM
With the whole razor rotation, don't some sugest to carry a quiver of 7 straits? one for each day of the week, then your razor gets to 'rest' for the other six days?
I don't know if I buy it myself, but maybe it's got something if your barber with heaps of experience is talking about it that way...

Gustav
10-24-2010, 04:14 AM
Thank you for sharing. It is high time I get myself a barber's hone!

Timbit
10-25-2010, 05:54 PM
Great story, sounds like you have a great place there!

Speaking of barber hones, are there any good tutorial or videos on using one? I have a barber hone, strop and a couple of straights in my setup and I figure if barbers could keep a blade going without half a dozen specialty hones then I should too, but I'd love to see some specific info. on usage.

Brownbear
10-26-2010, 08:32 AM
I'm curious about barber's hones as well. I've been using a nice Austrian hone to finish the edge on razors after using a coticule and it works pretty well. I have four barber's hones and they are all different in color and texture but all are really fine. I wish someone in the know would write a compendium of history and use of barber hones, they are an interesting bit of history.

Thebigspendur
10-26-2010, 08:50 AM
Like I always say, if you want info about straight shaving a barber is the last place to go. Many barbers in the old days didn't have a clue how to sharpen a razor. yes they had hones and knew enough about them to do a quick touchup on a daily basis in the shop but in the old days they had these itinerant guys who came around and did sharpening of all kinds for them, razors and sissors or knives and they were very good.

The fact your barber said the razor would just stop working and you couldn't fix it and one day it would just start again is just one of those old barbers tales. If a razor won't cut it's dull and needs honing. Once dull it doesn't magically become sharp again by itself.

As far a latherking machines go they provide terrible lather. Barbers used them because they were sanitary and easy to use.

And yes barbers bought their razors from peddlers and supply outfit salesmen and they got plain jane models. We in this day worry about the gold wash and the decoration and the fancy brand but the truth is any quality razor will do the job just fine. A fancy razor or brand is just that.

Most of us have lost the true essence of straight shaving and have elevated it to some super hobby and zen experience. (I'm guilty too)

Ru4scuba?
10-26-2010, 06:33 PM
I'm glad to see stories like this...it seems you finally found and went to a REAL barber shop...good on ya!

I've read too many similar stories where guys talk of going in, mentioning our little hobby and getting told (you'll cut yourself...or thats dangerous etc etc).

You immediately know you're barber isn't what you originally thought :glare:

I'd hang on to that place for a long...long time!