Turned 18, thinking about a pipe

[Aberneth]

My dad smokes aromatic tobacco in a pipe about twice a month, and I've always enjoyed the smells and the paraphernalia associated with it. Now that I'm 18, the thought of a pipe has been lingering in my mind. The only thing keeping me from going out to the tobacconist is the fear of becoming addicted. What advice and anecdotal experience can you fine gentlemen offer a newcomer to the world of the briarwood?

[perry]

Don't smoke.. :001_tt2: Says the guy that used to smoke

[RF1963]

I don't think you'll get addicted, certainly not my experience of pipe smoking.

I enjoy my pipe and if you're thinking of joining our ranks go ahead. I have read that the easiest most convenient way to start is by using a corncob pipe. They're cheap and you could make one yourself (see Art of Manliness for instructions). I started by walking into a tobacconists in St James, London and buying a briar pipe. I was eighteen and it was a long time ago! Looking back the bowl was a bit too large for a beginner.

So my advice in a nutshell would be to go for it with a small bowl briar and enjoy it.

[Obsessed]

First of all, you are much better off not smoking, for the reasons already noted.

Secondly, (and I'm sure I'll hear it from people for saying this), I think an 18 year-old will look absolutely ridiculous smoking a pipe.

[bindibadgi]

My advice, don't read The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. They will only make the urge stronger!

I have a pipe, and would love to smoke it because I love the aromas and the whole associated lifestyle, but I just can't bring myself to do it. People I know (and some good friends) have died horrible, tobacco related deaths.

[luvmysuper]

Tobacco is an insidious opponent, who benignly smiles and asks you in, and once you are in - you are in for a fight to get out.

It took many many years of hard battling to break free, and I still struggle with it today, almost every day with the craving whenever I see someone with a cigarrette, a cigar or a pipe.

If you don't smoke, don't start - in any form or fashion.

Albeit, a pipe would be preferred over cigarettes, but that's like saying getting punched in the gut is better than getting punched in the groin.

Sure, but I'd prefer not to be punched at all.

JMO - YMMV

[maxman]

Tobacco is an insidious opponent, who benignly smiles and asks you in, and once you are in - you are in for a fight to get out.

It took many many years of hard battling to break free, and I still struggle with it today, almost every day with the craving whenever I see someone with a cigarrette, a cigar or a pipe.

If you don't smoke, don't start - in any form or fashion.

Albeit, a pipe would be preferred over cigarettes, but that's like saying getting punched in the gut is better than getting punched in the groin.

Sure, but I'd prefer not to be punched at all.

JMO - YMMV

I love the way you put things.

My opinion is very much the same. I have friends who smoke. They can't walk up the stairs without being out of breath.
Medical research shows us that it's unhealthy in every way.

Please don't start.

[BCatl]

I worked in a tobacco shop for a while. If you could smoke it like your dad does (like 2x a month) there probably wouldn't be a problem. It definitely will help if you have someone to teach you at first.

HOWEVER, if you are looking for something inexpensive, you have found the wrong "hobby". If you take to pipe smoking regularly, it can get pricey these days. Didn't have to be this way, but it is.

Overall, I come down where Luvmysupper does. If you can avoid tobacco altogether, you are more likely to have a million dollars (or more), and the long life in which to spend your millions.

[Vlad]

Smoking a pipe occasionally is not the same thing as being addicted to cigarettes, just like having a beer on Fridays is not the same thing as being an alcoholic. Don't lump them all together. And pipe-smoking is NOT expensive. You can get a good pipe for $50, and pipe tobacco is a small fraction of the cost of both cigarettes and cigars.

[Dennis]

Don't forget you get dinged on buying life insurance too if you smoke tobacco in any form.

[jwcarlson]

I have a difficult time believing smoking a pipe or cigar 1-2x a month is going to negatively change your health even long term.

[Aberneth]

I worked in a tobacco shop for a while. If you could smoke it like your dad does (like 2x a month) there probably wouldn't be a problem. It definitely will help if you have someone to teach you at first.

HOWEVER, if you are looking for something inexpensive, you have found the wrong "hobby". If you take to pipe smoking regularly, it can get pricey these days. Didn't have to be this way, but it is.

Overall, I come down where Luvmysupper does. If you can avoid tobacco altogether, you are more likely to have a million dollars (or more), and the long life in which to spend your millions.

Expense is a non issue. I'm already rolling around in a vat of DE razors and shaving goo :P Once or twice a month can't be a terribly expensive habit. I was just in the briar shoppe, and they said I can get by with $10 a month on good aromatic (mmm, vanilla)


First of all, you are much better off not smoking, for the reasons already noted.

Secondly, (and I'm sure I'll hear it from people for saying this), I think an 18 year-old will look absolutely ridiculous smoking a pipe.

An average 18 year old I am not... I shave with a 95 year old razor, wear a suit whenever I can justify the drycleaning expense, sit behind a big executive desk in a brown leather highback, wear Trumper's Eucris, and delight in the company of this forum.


Tobacco is an insidious opponent, who benignly smiles and asks you in, and once you are in - you are in for a fight to get out.

It took many many years of hard battling to break free, and I still struggle with it today, almost every day with the craving whenever I see someone with a cigarrette, a cigar or a pipe.

If you don't smoke, don't start - in any form or fashion.

Albeit, a pipe would be preferred over cigarettes, but that's like saying getting punched in the gut is better than getting punched in the groin.

Sure, but I'd prefer not to be punched at all.

JMO - YMMV

You, sir, are a scary man.


Smoking a pipe occasionally is not the same thing as being addicted to cigarettes, just like having a beer on Fridays is not the same thing as being an alcoholic. Don't lump them all together. And pipe-smoking is NOT expensive. You can get a good pipe for $50, and pipe tobacco is a small fraction of the cost of both cigarettes and cigars.

Thank you for making that distinction. As long as I STAY at 1 or 2 indulgences a month...


Don't forget you get dinged on buying life insurance too if you smoke tobacco in any form.

That won't be an issue for a few years. As noted above, as long as I limit myself to 1 or 2 times a month, I should be able to give it up any time.


I have a difficult time believing smoking a pipe or cigar 1-2x a month is going to negatively change your health even long term.

Agreed. Everything in moderation. I'm just worried that it might escape me and make it to more than once or twice a month. Kind of like how wetshaving has become a twice-a-day habit for me :lol:

Yeah, that's right. I went there. Tobacco and wetshaving are in the same category of addictive substances.

[Go West Young Man]

Anywhere I've ever lived, and 18-year old smoking a pipe would get beat up on a pretty regular basis. This isn't going to upgrade your social status with anyone below the age of grandmother.

[Dennis]

That won't be an issue for a few years. As noted above, as long as I limit myself to 1 or 2 times a month, I should be able to give it up any time.

I just mentioned it as I recently changed some insurance around. The question was, "Have you used tobacco in any form over the last 10 years?"

Made a sizable difference in the premium for life policies as it is black and white smoking vs not.

[Aberneth]

Anywhere I've ever lived, and 18-year old smoking a pipe would get beat up on a pretty regular basis. This isn't going to upgrade your social status with anyone below the age of grandmother.

6'4" body builder who carries a ka-bar tanto. I'm not too worried.

[plexibass]

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[Mr. Scruffy]

Expense is a non issue. I'm already rolling around in a vat of DE razors and shaving goo :P Once or twice a month can't be a terribly expensive habit. I was just in the briar shoppe, and they said I can get by with $10 a month on good aromatic (mmm, vanilla).

A tobacco addiction is more expensive than you know. It costs more than the fiat of the day.



An average 18 year old I am not... I shave with a 95 year old razor, wear a suit whenever I can justify the drycleaning expense, sit behind a big executive desk in a brown leather highback, wear Trumper's Eucris, and delight in the company of this forum. .

So don't become below average by developing a tobacco habit.



[QUOTE=Aberneth;2303939]You, sir, are a scary man..

He speaks the truth. You should be scared. Don't smoke.



Thank you for making that distinction. As long as I STAY at 1 or 2 indulgences a month....

Famous last words...



That won't be an issue for a few years. As noted above, as long as I limit myself to 1 or 2 times a month, I should be able to give it up any time..

shoulda woulda coulda... Sounds like you are becoming aware of the danger but you won't admit it to yourself.



Agreed. Everything in moderation. I'm just worried that it might escape me and make it to more than once or twice a month. Kind of like how wetshaving has become a twice-a-day habit for me :lol:.

It will escape you. I promise.


Yeah, that's right. I went there. Tobacco and wetshaving are in the same category of addictive substances.

Wetshaving is not a substance.

Don't be stupid. Forget the pipe. Forget tobacco. Pipe smokers aren't cool.

Nicotine is a very intoxicating, insidious and deadly substance. It is more powerful than you are. It is absorbed through the mucous lining of your mouth and tongue. You don't need to inhale.

Like Phil, I am a recovering nicotine addict. I have the early signs of atherosclerosis. Words do not exist that can convey the regret I feel at ever having been a smoker.

Find something else eccentric to do.

[Obsessed]

Don't be stupid. Forget the pipe. Forget tobacco.

+ infinity

[Aberneth]

Well, it seems you're speaking in volumes against the idea. I'll put it on hold until I'm old enough to not care if I'm shortening my life ;)

[arghblech]

Don't start. If you were already a smoker I'd help you along. Seriously. Don't.

[Mr. Scruffy]

Well, it seems you're speaking in volumes against the idea. I'll put it on hold until I'm old enough to not care if I'm shortening my life ;)

Excellent!!... and a very wise decision for someone of your advanced age! :lol::lol:

Seriously, if you really are a body builder don't ruin your hard work with a nicotine jones. :thumbup1:

[Aberneth]

Excellent!!... and a very wise decision for someone of your advanced age! :lol::lol:

Seriously, if you really are a body builder don't ruin your hard work with a nicotine jones. :thumbup1:

Well, I honestly shouldn't be worried about cancer. I already about 20 times the recommended maximum dosage of aspartame :lol:

[Seraphim]

Whay don't you ask your father his opinion of you taking up the same pastime as he enjoyed?

[Aberneth]

Whay don't you ask your father his opinion of you taking up the same pastime as he enjoyed?

I did. His words: It's your choice. And the decision has been made to put off pipe smoking until I'm somewhat older. :thumbup1:

[Kevan]

I did. His words: It's your choice. And the decision has been made to put off pipe smoking until I'm somewhat older. :thumbup1:
I'm glad you've made the decision not to start now, but you should really consider never starting in the first place. Smoking is not "gentlemanly" and it's not "refined." You're a bodybuilder, so you've made a commitment to a healthy lifestyle; don't compromise that by introducing nicotine to your body.

If you want to enjoy the scent of tobacco, get some Alt Innsbruck.

[Legion]

Well, it seems you're speaking in volumes against the idea. I'll put it on hold until I'm old enough to not care if I'm shortening my life ;)

Ha! The older you get, the more you'll care about shortening your life.

I took up smoking when I was about 15 or 16. Dumbest thing I ever did. (And I have done a lot of dumb things.)

I have quit smoking now, but a few years ago I played with pipes. You probably wouldn't get too addicted if you just smoked it a couple of times a week like your dad. To be honest though, why bother these days? Smoking makes you a social pariah and, if you are 18 and smoking a pipe, people will be laughing behind your back. I'm in my mid thirties and people were making fun of me. :sneaky2:

Pipe smoking can be a pleasant way to relax, but IMO, the downsides outweigh the enjoyment.

[Aberneth]

Ha! The older you get, the more you'll care about shortening your life.

I took up smoking when I was about 15 or 16. Dumbest thing I ever did. (And I have done a lot of dumb things.)

I have quit smoking now, but a few years ago I played with pipes. You probably wouldn't get too addicted if you just smoked it a couple of times a week like your dad. To be honest though, why bother these days? Smoking makes you a social pariah and, if you are 18 and smoking a pipe, people will be laughing behind your back. I'm in my mid thirties and people were making fun of me. :sneaky2:

Pipe smoking can be a pleasant way to relax, but IMO, the downsides outweigh the enjoyment.

If at 50 I'm even half as cynical as I am now, I'm not going to care a shred about the health effects of my vices :laugh:


I'm glad you've made the decision not to start now, but you should really consider never starting in the first place. Smoking is not "gentlemanly" and it's not "refined." You're a bodybuilder, so you've made a commitment to a healthy lifestyle; don't compromise that by introducing nicotine to your body.

If you want to enjoy the scent of tobacco, get some Alt Innsbruck.

Hah, anybody who smokes to appear gentlemanly is lost and confused. I considered Pipes because I like the paraphernalia and the smell of aromatic tobacco.

Healthy lifestyle? That's debatable :P I do it because I like having the muscles to move big stuff around. I eat way too many costco creampuffs to be considered healthy :lol:

[DE Shaver]

Smoking a pipe occasionally is not the same thing as being addicted to cigarettes, just like having a beer on Fridays is not the same thing as being an alcoholic. Don't lump them all together. And pipe-smoking is NOT expensive. You can get a good pipe for $50, and pipe tobacco is a small fraction of the cost of both cigarettes and cigars.
I have to concur with this viewpoint. I've been smoking a pipe for years and do so out of pure enjoyment. Relatively inexpensive compared to cigarettes, smoking a pipe is in many respects analogous to our hobby of traditional wet shaving, a throwback to an earlier, slower time. In my opinion, however, most of the images of pleasant nostalgia are just really untrue to a degree but it's still our vision to enjoy. Pipe smoking is not about a nicotine hit but about enjoying a rich, flavorful, smoke and relaxing from a long day. One does not smoke a pipe in 5 minutes but over a longer period of time.

As far as health is concerned, pipe smoking is less dangerous than cigarettes due to how the tobacco is processed and how it is smoked. Harsh chemicals are used to process tobacco for use in cigarettes, while pipe tobacco does not normally involve inhaling smoke. All tobacco use, however, has risk, which increases significantly in relation with frequency of tobacco use. There is no safe way to use tobacco. However, moderate pipe smoking (1 to 2 pipefuls a day) does not present any substantial life expectancy risk, although there are other health issues that may arise. Like anything in life, you can enjoy but enjoy responsibly.

[clubman]

Secondly, (and I'm sure I'll hear it from people for saying this), I think an 18 year-old will look absolutely ridiculous smoking a pipe.

Absolutely! I can't imagine anything would put a damper on an 18 year old's prospects with the fairer sex than being known as "the pipe smoking guy". Best wait till you've achieved a state of advanced decrepritude, or matrimony, or something...

[Aberneth]

Absolutely! I can't imagine anything would put a damper on an 18 year old's prospects with the fairer sex than being known as "the pipe smoking guy". Best wait till you've achieved a state of advanced decrepritude, or matrimony, or something...

:lol:

I appreciate the sentiment and the humor, but normal people... not my thing. I'm a physics student, a former theatre tech, and in general, the people I associate with have more piercings than fingers. The social implications of smoking a pipe aren't a problem for me.

[hicksdm]

If you try it and enjoy it then YOU make up your mind if it is good for you. If it is not for you, you will know pretty soon. The thing is only YOU can decide. As far as the health issue there are tons of things that are nor good for us. If I smoke a bowl a day and it helps me relax and I enjoy it then screw everybody else that dont. I can tell you from personal experience that pipe smoking is a heck of alot better than cigs. As far as the health issue, I run 3-4 miles a day and further on weekends and cant tell any negative side effects during my runs. I have smoked a pipe for almost 15 years and the Dr has given me clean reports to date. I have always enjoyed my pipes in moderation, that in my opinion is the key.

[Phillysci76]

Everything in moderation. I enjoy my cigars and my pipes. It's not like smoking and inhaling a pack a day of crappy tobacco. While there are still risks, they are less than cigarettes. Additionally, I find pipes and cigars less addictive (i.e., you can skip days/weeks/months and not feel ill). I sometimes crave a cigar, not for the nicotine, but rather the relaxation. It has become associated with a nice night outside, reading a good book, and just taking a break.

If a cigar, or in your case a pipe, helps you to relax, I say try it out. If you were asking about which type of cigarette you should start with, I'd tell you stay away (I've had maybe 2 packs in my life and I'm 34...).

For those that are telling you to totally stay away from tobacco, I ask if they drink alcohol, eat processed food, stay out in the sun too long, etc. If you moderate yourself, you should be fine. Remember...the dose makes the poison.

BTW...I am a scientist with a grad degree in toxicology...but take my opinion as you want. If you do start smoking a pipe, just get checked out for oral cancers by your dentist during your visits.

[plexibass]

Look, in 100 years we will all be in the same place. I do it, I enjoy it. I'm also a 6 day a week vegetarian and walk 3.5 miles a day, lift weights and dont believe any of the secondhand smoke BS. I only eat red meat every once in a while and drink a pot of coffee a day. The #1 cause of death in the worl is living so try it if you want. If you enjoy it........just my .02 worth.

[plexibass]

As far as "vanilla" tobacs go, the only 2 I really like are Stanwell and Cao vanilla honeydew.
http://www.cupojoes.com/cgi-bin/spgm?dpt=H&srch=NA&item=dnthoney50
http://www.cupojoes.com/cgi-bin/dept?dpt=H&srch=KW&search_text=stanwell+vanilla&submit=Submit

Now normally I do not smoke them by themselves. I'll add them to harsher tobacs usually ones that contain latakia or perique to level it out a little bit. Not too much just enough so the flavors marry and you get kind of a maple bbq flavor going.......great now I'm hungry.

[Walker]

I used to smoke, did it for 16 years (cigarettes that is) it was the hardest thing i have ever quit in my life, and i have messed around with some pretty wicked stuff. I feel like i'm 18 again since i quit over a year ago. I quit mainly from the constant nagging from my parents and having to stand out in the rain and rough weather just to suck on half a cigarette to get my fix. Definantly not worth it. Your going to do whatever you want and we can't stop that but since some people are saying smoking a pipe is harmless i'm going the other way. Any form of tobacco smoke will damage you. My uncle quit for 11 years before he had his first fight with lung cancer. They took a lung out and a section of his esophagus. He couldn't even go outside when it was windy because it would take his breath away. Then a few years later the second lung got it. That was all she wrote. But anyway. You say you workout? I feel a lot better after working out than i ever did smoking. Good luck to you son. On the movie A Love Song For Bobby Long the guy said "the dumbest thing a kid can do is smoke, smoking should be reserved for when you get old" thought that was funny

[ShavedZombie]

I'm probably going to ruffle a few feathers here but... Here goes.

For the sake of candidness, I believe the vast majority needs to be silent and leave with their tail between their legs... For God's sake, I'm 19, and I've had a cigar between my lips for the last three years. Albeit I only smoke them about 2-3 cigars a month at most, usually just one, maybe none.

I believe the OP asked for pipe smoking recommendations, not for mothers. I don't want to come off as sounding like an asshole, but everyone in the free world has heard the dangers of smoking, how, if you even smell smoke secondhand you'll be addicted for life... How smoking makes you enjoy the tears of small children... Too much?

The point is, if he wants a pipe, who are you to say no? I appreciate warnings, hell, when I was starting with a straight razor I got plenty of them... However, no one told me "give up. Not worth it". Granted, the two are fairly different, but they can both be harmful.

Say your bit, then leave him alone, don't beat the damn horse to death, and, if you must beat it, quit once it's dead. Say it's harmful then move on. Clearly he's interested in smoking pipes, so quit trying to scare him away from it. As I recall he's posting in the Speakeasy... a forum ABOUT tobacco and alcohol, and he's not posting in the "Hold my hand" forums.


That being said, OP, sorry I can't help more... I'm a cigar guy... however, if you ever want a fine cigar, try a Vegas 5 classic. It's not too robust or spicy, but has a wonderful flavor with a hint of coffee and chocolate, and a rich, nutty finish.

Sorry for ranting, but I always get bothered when someone asks for help with one of the more benign versions of smoking, and expresses a wish to be very moderate in usage, then gets bombarded with the overly obvious, and ANECDOTAL warnings...

EDIT: Also, I've noticed a lot of people sharing their personal experience with CIGARETTES. Cigarettes are generally MADE to be addictive, they're a money sink. Quality pipes and cigars are more for relaxation... Yes, it's possible to get addicted to them (my grandfather has a pipe in his mouth when he sleeps (metaphorically)) but, again, moderation is the key. Good cigars and good pipe tobacco are FANTASTIC for a nice, warm day, or a nice cool evening, sitting outside with a good book, and just watching the world amble by. If you keep it to once a week, maybe twice, I see no problem at all. And even if you do it more often, that's your choice. (My grandfather is 75, and still working even though he's retired... he has a mechanic's workshop in his garage, and does car work)

And as for all the people saying you'd look ridiculous... That's a perk :D I too am a suit-and-tie guy, surrounded by wife-beaters and day-cast strippers. It's life. Look like you, not like society (And now I sound like a PSA. Damn.)

Cheers,
Jeremy

[Aberneth]

I'm probably going to ruffle a few feathers here but... Here goes.

For the sake of candidness, I believe the vast majority needs to be silent and leave with their tail between their legs... For God's sake, I'm 19, and I've had a cigar between my lips for the last three years. Albeit I only smoke them about 2-3 cigars a month at most, usually just one, maybe none.

I believe the OP asked for pipe smoking recommendations, not for mothers. I don't want to come off as sounding like an asshole, but everyone in the free world has heard the dangers of smoking, how, if you even smell smoke secondhand you'll be addicted for life... How smoking makes you enjoy the tears of small children... Too much?

The point is, if he wants a pipe, who are you to say no? I appreciate warnings, hell, when I was starting with a straight razor I got plenty of them... However, no one told me "give up. Not worth it". Granted, the two are fairly different, but they can both be harmful.

Say your bit, then leave him alone, don't beat the damn horse to death, and, if you must beat it, quit once it's dead. Say it's harmful then move on. Clearly he's interested in smoking pipes, so quit trying to scare him away from it. As I recall he's posting in the Speakeasy... a forum ABOUT tobacco and alcohol, and he's not posting in the "Hold my hand" forums.


That being said, OP, sorry I can't help more... I'm a cigar guy... however, if you ever want a fine cigar, try a Vegas 5 classic. It's not too robust or spicy, but has a wonderful flavor with a hint of coffee and chocolate, and a rich, nutty finish.

Sorry for ranting, but I always get bothered when someone asks for help with one of the more benign versions of smoking, and expresses a wish to be very moderate in usage, then gets bombarded with the overly obvious, and ANECDOTAL warnings...

Cheers,
Jeremy

:thumbup:

Hats off to you. You have stones.

In all honesty, I went to the briar shoppe last night and bought a small briar pipe and some vanilla tobacco. Smoked one bowl, decided I don't like it. So it's all moot, now isn't it?

But seriously, you are one eloquent, angry sonna. I envy your powers of rebuttal.

[Obsessed]

I'm probably going to ruffle a few feathers here but... Here goes.

For the sake of candidness, I believe the vast majority needs to be silent and leave with their tail between their legs... For God's sake, I'm 19, and I've had a cigar between my lips for the last three years. Albeit I only smoke them about 2-3 cigars a month at most, usually just one, maybe none.

I believe the OP asked for pipe smoking recommendations, not for mothers. I don't want to come off as sounding like an asshole, but everyone in the free world has heard the dangers of smoking, how, if you even smell smoke secondhand you'll be addicted for life... How smoking makes you enjoy the tears of small children... Too much?

The point is, if he wants a pipe, who are you to say no? I appreciate warnings, hell, when I was starting with a straight razor I got plenty of them... However, no one told me "give up. Not worth it". Granted, the two are fairly different, but they can both be harmful.

Say your bit, then leave him alone, don't beat the damn horse to death, and, if you must beat it, quit once it's dead. Say it's harmful then move on. Clearly he's interested in smoking pipes, so quit trying to scare him away from it. As I recall he's posting in the Speakeasy... a forum ABOUT tobacco and alcohol, and he's not posting in the "Hold my hand" forums.


That being said, OP, sorry I can't help more... I'm a cigar guy... however, if you ever want a fine cigar, try a Vegas 5 classic. It's not too robust or spicy, but has a wonderful flavor with a hint of coffee and chocolate, and a rich, nutty finish.

Sorry for ranting, but I always get bothered when someone asks for help with one of the more benign versions of smoking, and expresses a wish to be very moderate in usage, then gets bombarded with the overly obvious, and ANECDOTAL warnings...

Cheers,
Jeremy

Can someone help me with my crossword puzzle? I'm looking for a 343 word answer that means "disproportionate."

[ShavedZombie]

Can someone help me with my crossword puzzle? I'm looking for a 343 word answer that means "disproportionate."

I can't really help you with the crossword, but I can help you find a 4 word answer that will help you not be so detrimental to this thread:

"Post Where It's Wanted"

See, I seem to recall the OP asking for pipe advice, not for a pat on the head and a "don't play in the street, Billy"

[ShavedZombie]

:thumbup:

Hats off to you. You have stones.

In all honesty, I went to the briar shoppe last night and bought a small briar pipe and some vanilla tobacco. Smoked one bowl, decided I don't like it. So it's all moot, now isn't it?

But seriously, you are one eloquent, angry sonna. I envy your powers of rebuttal.

Well that's that then... However, it may be worth noting that pipe smoking takes a certain finesse to enjoy... It's about how you pull the smoke into your mouth (not lungs) how you blow it out, the correct cadence to puffing, and proper bowl packing, along with many other variables... I would suggest a fine cigar to get you started. Try a 5 Vegas Classic, or an Oliva Serie G, and just do one puff every 30 seconds to a minute... The trick is to not overheat it, and not overdo it... Moderation in the amount of smokes, and in the smoking itself

[Aberneth]

Can someone help me with my crossword puzzle? I'm looking for a 343 word answer that means "disproportionate."

No, he's dead on. I didn't come asking to be babysat. I can asking for advice on how to keep perspective and smoke within the confines of moderation.

Do you ever eat fast food? Probably. I'm not berating you for that habit, though. It's just as unhealthy as smoking regularly.

[Obsessed]

No, he's dead on. I didn't come asking to be babysat. I can asking for advice on how to keep perspective and smoke within the confines of moderation.

Do you ever eat fast food? Probably. I'm not berating you for that habit, though. It's just as unhealthy as smoking regularly.

You can obviously do whatever you want, and I assure you I have no interest in babysitting or berating you. But it's unrealistic to post a thread like this and not expect people to tell you that starting to smoke is not a wise decision.


I can't really help you with the crossword, but I can help you find a 4 word answer that will help you not be so detrimental to this thread:

"Post Where It's Wanted"

See, I seem to recall the OP asking for pipe advice, not for a pat on the head and a "don't play in the street, Billy"

Wow, "disproportionate" in only 59 words.

Take it easy - I was only kidding around.

[Hat]

Well, it seems you're speaking in volumes against the idea. I'll put it on hold until I'm old enough to not care if I'm shortening my life ;)

There 'ya go. Why turn your life upside down for something you don't need?

Funny, I started with a pipe in...Jr. HS. Got me hooked. Went to Rum Soaked Crooks and Havatampa Jewels before I went for the Winstons. . It smells better than it tastes, and nicotine is tougher to kick than anything.

The coma and the Cardiac ICU aren't worth it either.

[ShavedZombie]

You can obviously do whatever you want, and I assure you I have no interest in babysitting or berating you. But it's unrealistic to post a thread like this and not expect people to tell you that starting to smoke is not a wise decision.



Wow, "disproportionate" in only 59 words.

Take it easy - I was only kidding around.


How is it unrealistic to post in the smoker's forum and expect a pro-smoking answer? It's more unrealistic for a section about enjoying smoking to be full of people AGAINST smoking. That's like saying it's unrealistic to go to a tobacconist and expect him to recommend a good tobacco!

You're going to have to clarify what you mean by disproportionate. Until then, I'm going to assume you're just being obstructionistic.

[ShavedZombie]

There 'ya go. Why turn your life upside down for something you don't need?

Funny, I started with a pipe in...Jr. HS. Got me hooked. Went to Rum Soaked Crooks and Havatampa Jewels before I went for the Winstons. . It smells better than it tastes, and nicotine is tougher to kick than anything.

The coma and the Cardiac ICU aren't worth it either.

No offense hat, I'm not trying to call you out or anything, but your post is just the kind of thing that infuriates me... I have nothing against cautioning someone before they proceed, but again, your story is one of those "your experience may vary" things... You say you started on a pipe, but thaht the problem was (and I'm not even sure what these are) "Rum Soaked Crooks and Havatampa Jewels", and Winstons.

The OP just asked about pipes... Likewise, I've been smoking cigars moderately since I was 15, now I've just turned 19, and I'm more hooked to "Cigar weather" than to cigars. I can enjoy a nice day and a good book without a cigar... I can't enjoy a cigar without a nice day and good book.

Again, I'm not trying to throw darts at you... But this just irks me... It makes me think of someone saying "No, no, don't use a chainsaw, I cut my foot off with one, so your experience will be bad too!". It's purely based on the person, not the medium... And most of the stories here are of different mediums than a Pipe. Apples to Oranges.

Hell, A better analogy for the people saying that they had a battle with cigarettes, so don't smoke a pipe: "I blew my fingers off with an M80 once! Don't use sparklers!"

[Hat]

No offense hat, I'm not trying to call you out or anything, but your post is just the kind of thing that infuriates me... I have nothing against cautioning someone before they proceed, but again, your story is one of those "your experience may vary" things... You say you started on a pipe, but thaht the problem was (and I'm not even sure what these are) "Rum Soaked Crooks and Havatampa Jewels", and Winstons.

The OP just asked about pipes... Likewise, I've been smoking cigars moderately since I was 15, now I've just turned 19, and I'm more hooked to "Cigar weather" than to cigars. I can enjoy a nice day and a good book without a cigar... I can't enjoy a cigar without a nice day and good book.

Again, I'm not trying to throw darts at you... But this just irks me... It makes me think of someone saying "No, no, don't use a chainsaw, I cut my foot off with one, so your experience will be bad too!". It's purely based on the person, not the medium... And most of the stories here are of different mediums than a Pipe. Apples to Oranges.

Hell, A better analogy for the people saying that they had a battle with cigarettes, so don't smoke a pipe: "I blew my fingers off with an M80 once! Don't use sparklers!"

Fair enough. I bow to your experience. What do I know, when I was born Truman was president. The analogy won't hang together for me though, I don't think sparklers are habit forming.
To each his own, and good luck to all.

[Aberneth]

The well bred contradict other people. The wise contradict themselves.

[ShavedZombie]

Fair enough. I bow to your experience. What do I know, when I was born Truman was president. The analogy won't hang together for me though, I don't think sparklers are habit forming.
To each his own, and good luck to all.

And I don't think cigars are habit forming any more than a beer at a friend's house is. I don't have a craving for cigars, and I don't have a craving for alcohol (even though I've had a fair bit of both). I enjoy both, I want to continue having both, but I don't have trouble when the weatherman says "tomorrow's going to be nice!" and I expect a smoke, then it storms... I just say, oh well, save it for next week.

My brother, however, goes through a pack of cigarettes in a few days. He's been smoking for 6 months (all tobacco products) and is hooked like a fish.

Like I said, it's a matter of personal experience... I just don't think people should weigh in with cigarette horror stories on a pipe question.

[Go West Young Man]

Ahhh, to be a teenager and so sure I knew everything again.....

[ShavedZombie]

Ahhh, to be a teenager and so sure I knew everything again.....

I don't think I know everything. I just know that there is a finite difference between what's in a cigarette, and what's in a cigar/pipe tobacco. I also know that when someone asks for help picking a pipe, they aren't asking for a surgeon general's warning.

[Aberneth]

Ahhh, to be a teenager and so sure I knew everything again.....

Man, you really have a chip on your shoulder. First with the Tech, and now this.

[proxymoron]

ShavedZombie's got a (trifle overblown) point but honestly, a bunch of former nicotine addicts--some of them pipe smokers--chiming in to say "profit from my bad experience" should be appreciated for their concern. If you choose then to politely disregard their concern, well, that's as up to you as it's been from the start. It's a gentleman's forum, after all.

[ShavedZombie]

ShavedZombie's got a (trifle overblown) point but honestly, a bunch of former nicotine addicts--some of them pipe smokers--chiming in to say "profit from my bad experience" should be appreciated for their concern. If you choose then to politely disregard their concern, well, that's as up to you as it's been from the start. It's a gentleman's forum, after all.

I'll fully accept that I took my point and went too far with it... However I will also stay to my point that the "smoking's bad... Mkay?" point has been taken too far too.

5 people is enough... 2 pages of warning, with maybe 1 or 2 real responses? Waaaay too much.

[Aberneth]

Aberneth, you're making it pretty plain you're going to do what you want. If that is the case, and I may be mistaken, why ask your original question here? People are giving you their best advice. People that have been there before you. The same people would be perfectly happy to spare you the effects they've experienced.

Specifically, I was looking for advice from people who smoke a pipe occasionally, hoping to find out whether or not smoking pipe tobacco sparsely can lead to addiction. All I've learned from the advice I've been given is that cigarettes are bad. That isn't particularly helpful. All the occasional pipe/cigar smokers that have talked to me have no problems with addiction. I didn't come here with a hypothetical that involves me diving head first in to a 3 pack a day cigarette habit, so advice given to that effect is wasted.



Ultimately, you're free to do whatever you want, as you know. You get to ignore what you've read here at your own peril. All the facts point to all tobacco being harmful. This is not in scientific dispute. There seem to be two types of posts here. Those that are advising you against using tobacco, and those that are justifying using it with anecdote and bravado.

Both sides of the argument are clearly employing anecdotal evidence. Clearly you have something against smoking, so it's harder for you to see both sides of the picture, but as an objective third, I can tell you right now that both sides are equally guilty of slanting. The difference, though, is that the side that is warning me of the effects of tobacco is citing stories of CIGARETTE chain smokers, while their opponents cite stories of occasional pipe/cigar smoking. Which is more applicable to my situation, hmmmm?



Whatever works for you, man. Live, die horribly, not my concern, really. But, I wouldn't wish a death from tobacco's effects on anyone. Good luck to you. Pick up smoking, you will become addicted to it. Thirty years from now, you'll think on this conversation.

DUN DUN DUN!

Speaking of bravado...

[Aberneth]

how often did you smoke any form of tobacco when you were smoking a pipe?

[Aberneth]

Your experience is completely different than mine would have been if I had ended up liking the stuff. I do appreciate the concern, but it's not of pertinence, especially now that I know I don't care for the stuff.

[The Expanding Man]

I think it is all about making an informed choice about what is right for you.

If you want a thoroughly biased point of view in favour of pipe smoking, spend some time on this forum:

http://www.smokersforums.co.uk/

Back when pipe smoking was far more prevalent, a US Surgeon General's report in the late 1960's found that pipe smokers live on average 2 years longer than non-smokers.

If you decide you want to smoke (and please, make an informed choice about this), then pipe smoking is probably the best way to go.

Personally, I would move on quickly from the aromatics to a decent virginian flake, a burley blend or a fine English Latakia blend, but that's just me.

[DE Shaver]

Here are the risk factors for lung cancer as it pertains to smokers...

Risk Factor - Group

1.00 - Non-smoker
16.0 - Cigarettes, 20 grams/day
3.20 - Cigar, 20 grams/day
6.70 - Pipe, 10 bowls or less/day
3.20 - Pipe, 5 bowls/day
1.50 - Pipe, 3 bowls/day
1.26 - Pipe, 2 bowls per/day
1.05 - Pipe, 2 bowls every 2-3 days

As you can see, an occasional pipe smoke has almost the same risk factor as a non-smoker. A pipe smoker that smokes 2 bowlfuls per day has a higher risk factor and a pack a day cigarette smoker has a very high risk factor. So, a cigarette smoker is 16 times more likely to develop lung cancer when you compare risk factors.

Typically, the chance of getting lung cancer is about 1 in 1,000 (each year) for non-smokers. For a occasional pipe smoker, the chance is around 1 in 952 (each year) and a 2 bowl per day smoker has a 1 in 793 (each year) of developing lung cancer, not exactly overwhelming odds. Over a 40 year smoking career, there's about a 95% likelihood that you will not develop lung cancer as a moderate 2 bowl a day pipe smoker. However, there are other risks to smoking (e.g. Leukoplakia) but you get the idea.

The fact of the matter is, the majority of people that smoke do not die of smoking related diseases. Regardless, smoking is not hazard free and may lead to other complication when engaged in at significant levels. I enjoy pipe smoking because it affords me a relaxing indulgence and it's worth the risk IMO.

[Pumpkin]

My dad smokes aromatic tobacco in a pipe about twice a month, and I've always enjoyed the smells and the paraphernalia associated with it. Now that I'm 18, the thought of a pipe has been lingering in my mind. The only thing keeping me from going out to the tobacconist is the fear of becoming addicted. What advice and anecdotal experience can you fine gentlemen offer a newcomer to the world of the briarwood?

As someone who started smoking cigarettes in my teens (I'm now 43) and got up to 30+/day I'd say "don't start!", nicotine, in any form, is highly addictive, expensive and extremely bad for your health.

Having said that, as a recent convert to a pipe (3 weeks), I'd say that I'm smoking less now than I used to :thumbup1: The ritual and paraphernalia involved with packing and smoking makes it a lot less "immediate" and the nicotine hit seems to last longer (plus most of my cigs were habit related). Plus, just holding onto and "puffing" on an empty pipe seems to reduce any cravings.

Additionally, the smells associated with pipe tobacco seem to be more pleasant (or less unpleasant!) than with cigarettes.


In all honesty, I went to the briar shoppe last night and bought a small briar pipe and some vanilla tobacco. Smoked one bowl, decided I don't like it. So it's all moot, now isn't it?

You've tried it, didn't like it and can now move on :thumbup1: Although if you do pick up a pipe again, you'll find plenty of advice on technique and tobacco here.

[California Cajun]

Well, it seems you're speaking in volumes against the idea. I'll put it on hold until I'm old enough to not care if I'm shortening my life ;)

The truth is, people don't like to post these responses any more than the reader likes to read them, but they want to be helpful.

[Commander Quan]

Well I might as well throw my 2 cents in. I am 27, and since I was 18 I have been smoking cigars, and for the past year mostly a pipe, but never cigarettes I don't smoke a pipe everyday, but usually 4-5 times a week. Am I addicted? No. I can, and have gone a week or up to 10 days without a pipe. Just because I was doing something or I was away and it wasn't convenient. During one of those weeks have I though "I wish I could smoke now"? Sure, but only because it's a nice relaxing activity.

Honestly I am more addicted to checking my email and the 3 forums I frequent than I am tobacco. I'll see something or think of something that reminds me of a thread I had been reading and I'll have to at the first chance possible check to see what is going on. I have never seen someone smoking, and had to stop what I was doing to smoke.

In the end I hope you make an informed decision about whether or not to become a recreational smoker.

edit: now I see you've made up your mind

[Go West Young Man]

Man, you really have a chip on your shoulder. First with the Tech, and now this.

LOL, I just realized you're the same guy from both threads! :lol:
Sorry, didn't mean to pick on you specifically, must have been having a bad week!

[RHVette]

Everything in moderation. I enjoy my cigars and my pipes. It's not like smoking and inhaling a pack a day of crappy tobacco. While there are still risks, they are less than cigarettes. Additionally, I find pipes and cigars less addictive (i.e., you can skip days/weeks/months and not feel ill). I sometimes crave a cigar, not for the nicotine, but rather the relaxation. It has become associated with a nice night outside, reading a good book, and just taking a break.

If a cigar, or in your case a pipe, helps you to relax, I say try it out. If you were asking about which type of cigarette you should start with, I'd tell you stay away (I've had maybe 2 packs in my life and I'm 34...).

For those that are telling you to totally stay away from tobacco, I ask if they drink alcohol, eat processed food, stay out in the sun too long, etc. If you moderate yourself, you should be fine. Remember...the dose makes the poison.

BTW...I am a scientist with a grad degree in toxicology...but take my opinion as you want. If you do start smoking a pipe, just get checked out for oral cancers by your dentist during your visits.

This. I would never recommend anybody start smoking cigarettes, but I would give advice on how to start with pipes or cigars had I more experience. I smoke 3-6 cigars a year, to relax and unwind from midterms and finals. Other than that, I have no desire to smoke the other 359 days of the year.

[The Nid Hog]

I haven't been able to post very much for the last month or so, but the smell of aromatic Virginia tobaccos blending with the civet-like stench of burning testosterone drew me to this thread like a moth to a flame.

I think that, if you're a 6'4" body-building, leather-executive-chair-sitting, straight-shaving young gentleman, this is the pipe for you:

http://meerschaummerchant.com/p-835-9003-master-mesut-meerschaum.aspx

Although some of the NSFW pipes might be just the thing to charm the ladies.

[jwhite]

Although some of the NSFW pipes might be just the thing to charm the ladies.

:lol::lol::lol:

[proxymoron]

Here are the risk factors for lung cancer as it pertains to smokers...

Nicely laid out. It's posts like this that make it so hard to give up the evil weed. Luckily, the growing appeal of marijuana tax revenues means there might be more satisfying alternatives on the near horizon.

[Falstaff]

My dad smokes aromatic tobacco in a pipe about twice a month, and I've always enjoyed the smells and the paraphernalia associated with it. Now that I'm 18, the thought of a pipe has been lingering in my mind. The only thing keeping me from going out to the tobacconist is the fear of becoming addicted. What advice and anecdotal experience can you fine gentlemen offer a newcomer to the world of the briarwood?

Why would you? There is no upside to using tobacco other than nicotine usage, or perhaps the perceived notion that it being a status symbol. The down side to tobacco usage is the cost, small burn marks in all of your clothing and upholstery, not to mention the residual odor that lingers after the aromatic aroma is long gone. Nope, it just doesn't make sense to light up. But, I am using logic, and logic and youth doesn't necessarily go hand in hand.:001_tt2:

[DE Shaver]

Nicely laid out. It's posts like this that make it so hard to give up the evil weed. Luckily, the growing appeal of marijuana tax revenues means there might be more satisfying alternatives on the near horizon.

It's not about justifying smoking but putting risk factors into a proper perspective. Hyperbole, ridicule and misinformation does not help individuals make informed decisions.

[DE Shaver]

Color me biased, but I spent six months driving a cigar-smoking friend to his chemo and radiation treatments for tongue cancer.

Before you take up the tobacco affectation, you should watch a grown man eat over a bucket and cry because it's so painful.

My cousin, who was like my brother, wasted away with lung cancer, leaving behind two children. I understand the pain of loss. It still bother's me 2 years later. However, he never smoked a day in his life and came from a family of non-smokers. About 20% of lung cancer cases are not caused by smoking. Scaring people, IMO, isn't an appropriate substitute for rational discussion and risk assessment.

[Aberneth]

Why would you? There is no upside to using tobacco other than nicotine usage, or perhaps the perceived notion that it being a status symbol. The down side to tobacco usage is the cost, small burn marks in all of your clothing and upholstery, not to mention the residual odor that lingers after the aromatic aroma is long gone. Nope, it just doesn't make sense to light up. But, I am using logic, and logic and youth doesn't necessarily go hand in hand.:001_tt2:

For the same reason that I burn incense. Also, I take offense to your snide remark about youth. I've never been the careless, rambunctious type. I think through everything I do very thoroughly. I've been desk shopping for 2 months now, going back and forth between the same two desks. Impulsive and illogical, I am not.


It's not about justifying smoking but putting risk factors into a proper perspective. Hyperbole, ridicule and misinformation does not help individuals make informed decisions.

Much love for DE Shaver right now.


Color me biased, but I spent six months driving a cigar-smoking friend to his chemo and radiation treatments for tongue cancer.

Before you take up the tobacco affectation, you should watch a grown man eat over a bucket and cry because it's so painful.

There are risks in everything we do. The average driver is at more risk for dying than an occasional pipe smoker who takes the bus. Which I do. Because insurance is ****ing expensive for an 18 year old male.


My cousin, who was like my brother, wasted away with lung cancer, leaving behind two children. I understand the pain of loss. It still bother's me 2 years later. However, he never smoked a day in his life and came from a family of non-smokers. About 20% of lung cancer cases are not caused by smoking. Scaring people, IMO, isn't an appropriate substitute for rational discussion and risk assessment.

See above ^^


Okay, for the sake of the discussion, let's ignore the increased risks of lung, throat and tongue cancer, emphysema, stroke, the expense, bad breath, yellow teeth, wrinkled skin, etc., and look at it from another angle: Can you give me a single good reason for anyone to start smoking?

Bueller?

Anyone?

Bueller?

Your bravado is unwelcome. You seem to be ignoring the fact that the context of this thread is that of an occasional (a few times a month) pipe smoker, not a chain smoker by any means.

[DE Shaver]

Okay, for the sake of the discussion, let's ignore the increased risks of lung, throat and tongue cancer, emphysema, stroke, the expense, bad breath, yellow teeth, etc., and look at it from another angle: Can you give me a single good reason for anyone to start smoking?

Bueller?

Anyone?

Bueller?

Please, rhyming off a list of undesirables under the guise of "wanting good reasons to smoke" is quite disingenuous and facetious in your part. For that matter, many things that people thoroughly enjoy doing, subject to the same "logic", can seem preposterous. How about motorcycle riding? Cave diving? Extreme skiing? Sky diving?

However, I will indulge you in the context of pipe smoking...

Pipe smoking is relaxing and enjoyable (alone worth the price of admission) reducing a persons stress. Psychological benefits are significant. Even Einstein felt it facilitated his mental acuity when working on difficult problems.

Pipe smoking is a hobby and hobbies promote activity, social interaction, collecting, experimenting and so on. I'm part of a pipe club and I have made new friends as a result, indulging in not only this passtime but other's as well.

Pipe smoking is done in order to facilitate a persons self image. If it doesn't suit yours, thats fine, but it does to the smoker. This is part of personal fulfillment, a chief goal of just about everyone.

Pipe smoking offers a number of tactile senory inputs that can be delightful to the smoker. Aromatic smoke, full smoky flavour, a warm pipe, all of which are enjoyable to the users of the briar.

So, there you have it, a few good reasons. Dismiss them if you will. Pipe smoking, done in moderation, can add signficant value to your lifestyle without massive risk. However, some people will never get it and never will be convinced.

[DE Shaver]

Amigo, I don't care if you smoke or not. I do object to you telling a kid things like "smoking can add significant value to your lifestyle". That's on a par with recommending obesity.
Clearly you are incapable comprehending my arguments and you prefer to argue out of context. I'll no longer waste your time.

[jwhite]

Amigo, I don't care if you smoke or not. I do object to you telling a kid things like "smoking can add significant value to your lifestyle". That's on a par with recommending obesity.

No, it's on a par with recommending elegant cuisine. Obesity, in many but not all cases, is a consequence of overindulgence. As an organism we do not require well crafted whiskey, finely prepared food, attractive clothing, art, music, richly scented shave soaps, or shaving at all for that matter. We do these things to enrich our lives.

[DE Shaver]

No, it's on a par with recommending elegant cuisine. Obesity, in many but not all cases, is a consequence of overindulgence. As an organism we do not require well crafted whiskey, finely prepared food, attractive clothing, art, music, richly scented shave soaps, or shaving at all for that matter. We do these things to enrich our lives.

This is the essence of living, enjoying what life has to offer. However, overindulgence in anything (e.g. smoking, drinking, eating, etc...) is what dramatically increases risk factors.

[Falstaff]

For the same reason that I burn incense. Also, I take offense to your snide remark about youth. I've never been the careless, rambunctious type. I think through everything I do very thoroughly. I've been desk shopping for 2 months now, going back and forth between the same two desks. Impulsive and illogical, I am not.



There are risks in everything we do. The average driver is at more risk for dying than an occasional pipe smoker who takes the bus. Which I do. Because insurance is ****ing expensive for an 18 year old male.





Your bravado is unwelcome. You seem to be ignoring the fact that the context of this thread is that of an occasional (a few times a month) pipe smoker, not a chain smoker by any means.

Clearly, you mind is made in this matter. I wish you nothing but good health. However, your taking offense to someone with an opinion that you CLEARLY asked for is disingenuous. You clearly asked for input, not agreement. Just because you didn't like the input is no reason to call people out as "snarky". Next time merely put in your request for input that only agreement is welcome, it would save you quite a bit of righteous indignation. :bored:

[petrocrab]

Hi, Aberneth -

I used to smoke a pipe...did so for years. True, the tobacco aromas are enchanting - even addicting.

But don't do it! There's a litany of reasons why, but suffice it to say that you'll never smoke a tobacco that tastes as good as it smells in the humidor. Moreover, smoking of any kind makes your mouth smell like an ashtray (at best). And at age 18, if you catch my drift, that's a significant reason to run - not walk - away from tobacco use.

Do this instead: become a connoisseur of fine coffees. Unlike tobacco, really fine arabica coffees actually can deliver the paradise their aroma promises. You can even go the whole route, and become a home coffee roaster (I do that). Here's a link you'll find fascinating:

http://www.sweetmarias.com/index.php


I hope this helps!!!


Cheers,
Phil

[proxymoron]

It's not about justifying smoking but putting risk factors into a proper perspective. Hyperbole, ridicule and misinformation does not help individuals make informed decisions.

Agreed. The thing about ex-smokers is that demonizing the habit on an emotional level is often the easiest road to quitting. After all, there's nothing rational about a nic fit. Still, you make a pretty good case for the odd bowl. :wink2:

[Slash McCoy]

I am an ex cigarette smoker. I now absolutely hate the smell of cigarette smoke and find it among the most disgusting of aromas. However, I do have a nice Cuban cigar a few times a year. Occasionally I will pop in to a tobacco shop and pick up a cheap meerschaum and some house blend bakky and go on a pipe kick for a few weeks, maybe having a couple bowls a week. What I particularly enjoy is a hookah. At least twice a month I will set aside a couple of hours to set up and smoke one of my hookahs, or occasionally go to a hookah cafe type place, especially in the Middle East where they are common and not a fad but a tradition.

NONE of these activities are healthy. ALL are potentially addictive. But most things are not bad things when done in moderation and I do these things in moderation, and I do them for my own private enjoyment and not to make any sort of impression on others.

I think many (not most, but many) pipe smokers smoke a pipe because of some sort of power trip. They can force a large number of folks to smell something, dictated only by arbitrary caprice. It is like people who turn their boom box up high just to make sure that others can hear it. A pipe often becomes an olfactory boom box of sorts. Make sure that you are not that sort of pipe smoker.

A beginning pipe smoker could try a cob, or a meerschaum, or better yet a small calabash, for a nicer, kinder smoke. I find a calabash to be a very soothing, calming, mellow pipe, tolerant of even rougher tobaccos. The meerschaum cup helps to dry amd mellow the smoke, and the large chamber in the gourd itself ensures that the smoke is delivered nice and cool and dry. This is a sit-down pipe, not really suitable for walking around with, especially if you go for a larger one. Also they can be fragile. If the gourd neck doesn't get a chance to dry out, it can get soft and weak. A meerschaum or a cob, due to the porous material, gives a nicer smoke than a briar, in general, but without the inconvenience of a calabash. Meerschaums can be really cheap, and cobs even cheaper. A briar can take a lot more abuse and can last a lifetime. If you only smoke once or twice a week, you can get by fine with only one pipe, but it must get a chance to dry out properly and don't neglect cleaning it. If you want a pipe sure to impress, consider a vintage meerschaum, either smooth or carved. If you smoke only in private, make sure that it fits comfortably in the hand because you will be feeling it more than looking at it.

A visit to a hookah cafe might be in order. If you have never tried a hookah, you are in for a treat. I would suggest sticking with an apple or double apple flavored shisha at first. The waiter will set it up and bring it to your table. There will be some burning charcoal sitting on some aluminum foil poked full of holes and sealed over the top of the bowl. This charcoal is the heat source that vaporizes the shisha, which does not actually burn. The shisha is mostly tobacco, often fairly strong Syrian or Turkish stuff, mixed with bits of fruit, herbs, flavoring, molasses, etc. You will be furnished with a disposable mouthpiece that you insert into the permanent one at the end of the hose. Draw on the hose and air passes the charcoal and becomes superheated, vaporizing the shisha. The smoke then passes down the riser tube and bubbles up from the lower end through the water and into the base, thence to the hose and into you. The smoke is mellowed and cooled considerably, and even a non-smoker will happily puff away, inhaling deeply, without coughing. Be warned... after a hookah, you may find yourself a bit dizzy when you first stand up. The bowl lasts longer than the charcoal. An attentive waiter will come and refresh it as needed. Otherwise, get his attention when you need a fresh coal. Often in the US, self-lighting tablets are used, which are somewhat inferior to proper charcoal. For home use, try to get the real deal. Anyway, when the smoke no longer seems to have that thick, rich mouth-feel and taste, you are done. The shisha is now a dried-out black cinder in the bowl. If you get your own hookah, be sure to get a nice big one with a big hose, and keep it CLEAN.

A nice smoke on occasion can be a comforting thing. Just remember a few things... first, it isn't necessarily a comforting thing to others. On the contrary, it can be disgusting or noxious to others, who are forced to breathe your smoke. Smoking in ANY form can be addictive. Smoking in ANY form has health consequences, though they are minimal with occasional, moderate use of tobacco. Smoking can create an unfavorable impression on others who may see your smoking as a failure to make an appropriate and sensible decision. Smoking can be a compulsive, even obsessive drain on your wallet, as you buy new additions to your smoking paraphernalia collection. There ya go. It is what it is.

[Drubbing]

People can do what they wish, it's a free world and the information on smoking is there for all to see. More fool they for refuting and underplaying the risks.

I used to smoke and looking back, cannot see a single reason why I'd do so again, addiction aside, of course. I stank.

People can take sides and list risk factors and all that mumbo jumbo, but until you watch someone you know die of cancer, then all the 'lowered' risk factors, aromatic pleasuring, and old world 'charm' associated with cigarette or pipe smoking, is pretty much a crock of Sh**.

[DE Shaver]

Agreed. The thing about ex-smokers is that demonizing the habit on an emotional level is often the easiest road to quitting. After all, there's nothing rational about a nic fit. Still, you make a pretty good case for the odd bowl. :wink2:
I'm not a stock holder of any major cigarette company nor a smoking advocate or recruiter. I'm a person that decided that enjoying an occasional pipe smoke in the privacy of my home was something I wanted to do. I did my homework and decided, ultimately, that smoking was a pursuit that can be enjoyed in moderation, without major risk. I'm certainly not claiming it to be healthy nor risk free but neither is eating cake all the time. All forms of smoking carry a risk. The postings in this thread, however, seemed to be too one sided to be of usefulness to the OP, which is why I participated. I certainly, however, don't have even close to all the right answers.

To clarify, the OP simply wanted input into some pipe smoking (not cigarette smoking) as he wanted to try it. Unfortunately, he received some rabid anti-smoking and risk exaggeration commentary, cigarette addiction stories and even border-line derogatory ageist statements. These struck me as quite insulting and condescending. Fine, not every comment may be in agreement with his request but he certainly didn't request a cavalcade of patronizing rhetoric. I know if I reached of majority was asking for a good starting whisky in The Speakeasy, getting told of ills of alcohol addiction, drunk driving, liver damage, alcohol breath and so on, would not be considered appropriate responses.

On the bright side, many participants offered their heart-felt input and concern about a young man who wanted to try pipe smoking, which should be appreciated. They wanted a perfect stranger to avoid the pitfalls smoking and that speaks very well of their character. Some individuals, however, were a little too dogmatic in their viewpoint, offering a regurgitated doctrine rather than real substantive input. The OP, however, did the right thing for himself and that was to try it, ultimately deciding it wasn't for him. So, as far as I concerned there is a victory for everyone here.

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I have thought long and hard about making this post. I have resisted up until now for two reasons; first I did not want to appear insensitive to those who lost someone to a tobacco related illness, and second I didn't want to appear flippant about the risks associated with tobacco use. Please understand I mean no disrespect or to minimize your loss in any way. Our life experiences can profoundly affect our point of view, and I think I should share some of mine. One last thing before I begin in earnest- I do not encourage or advocate in any way that anyone begin a cigarette habit. I know what that is and wouldn't wish it on anyone.

This thread has seemed to transcend a young mans interest in pipe smoking, and devolved into a general discussion on tobacco use. For my purposes I intend to limit the relevance of my opinions and experiences to pipe smoking and occasional use of a cigar. Many have suggested that if you can enjoy a pipe you must not fully appreciate an early or painful death. I have seen enough. I have watched loved ones die slowly of cancer. None of them were tobacco users, not one. I have seen brilliant minds become so feeble as to not recognize their own children, or to publicly do some very shocking things while in the throws of dementia. I have seen people close to me who have done everything "right" just plain ol' die. One was a family friend she was very careful about what she ate, the products she used, exercised regularly to stay in good condition. She died in her early 50's of a hart attack. I suppose it was just her time, that's what everybody kept saying anyway. As a teenager I watched a friend die bloody and mangled on the side of a dark county road. Nobody was drunk, drugs were not involved.

I've seen a great deal more regarding man's inhumanity to man than the benign passing of those mentioned above. Don't tell me, "if you only knew....", "if you ever saw...". Really, just don't. I understand, I really really do.

I hope everyone reading this lives to a ripe old age, in full command of their faculties, and just winks out one night in their sleep secure in the love of their family, and their friends, and their God. But most of us are not going to be that fortunate. Death will come for each of us and it is unlikely to be kind. But the question at the hart of the matter is not one of death but of life and what we do with it. The short answer, to my mind, is to value it. Many seem to express that value by focusing on their health and physical well-being to the exclusion of other choices. If that brings satisfaction, than it is right and good for the individual. And one would expect them to advocate a lifestyle that they enjoy. I for one have made a different choice. I prepare every meal as richly and as elegantly as I can comfortably afford. And I share it along with the best wine and spirits I have when ever I am fortunate enough to have guests. I laugh loudly and often, to point of distraction in others sometimes. I enjoy my pipe most evenings. Am I shortening my life? Perhaps, although statistically unlikely. When I meet God I'll ask Him, until then I intend to grow as old as I can sitting in front of the fire with a warm briar in one hand and a good book in the other.

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As the OP noted that he made his decision three pages ago, and further discussion seems to have drawn hotheadedness and argumentation to our otherwise gentlemanly and relaxing forum, I'm closing this thread.

A thought: There is a marked difference here at B&B between stating a point once and restating the same point in post after post after post to counter someone's disagreement. The folks whose opinions tend to be trusted and appreciated here have sufficient confidence in their convictions and respect for the opinions of others to speak but once, and leave the bloviating to other online forums.