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Justinsane
07-29-2010, 06:00 PM
I made a trade with a member on this site and received his brush in the mail today. When we discussed the trade he mentioned it was a custom brush but wasn't sure what the type was but he suspected silvertip. Upon first impression of the brush the tips were VERY soft. I was very excited to come home and try it and that's where things went a bit weird. The brush was very abrasive. So much so that I had to run to grab another brush to compare. I broke out a Super Badger and soaped it up and it was softer which I thought was weird. So my question is, what could this type of hair be? Dry the tips are very soft but soaped up and wet, it's almost too much to handle.

Darjeeling Express
07-29-2010, 06:08 PM
I am told that when a brush's loft is machine trimmed, even a very soft haired brush, it develops a very uncomfortable prickly quality. Perhaps this is what happened here?

Justinsane
07-29-2010, 06:14 PM
I am told that when a brush's loft is machine trimmed, even a very soft haired brush, it develops a very uncomfortable prickly quality. Perhaps this is what happened here?

Could be. That would make sense. I'm hoping that's not the case however and it's more a matter of needing some breaking in or something along those lines.

Joe Edson
07-29-2010, 07:07 PM
It very well could be a TGN Silvertip that are actually on the prickly. I'm almost certain that is what it is.

Ignatius
07-29-2010, 07:14 PM
A picture would get you some clearer answers.

Justinsane
07-29-2010, 07:23 PM
A picture would get you some clearer answers.

Here it is

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b366/JustinKlatt/DSCN1827.jpg

Luc
07-29-2010, 07:36 PM
Is the brush brand new? Does it smell funky a bit?

Justinsane
07-29-2010, 07:41 PM
No, that's the first thing I checked. It smelled like some sort of cream or soap, which I know isn't good for me as it's possible that it's already broken in and the brush is how it will forever be.

Luc
07-29-2010, 07:44 PM
No, that's the first thing I checked. It smelled like some sort of cream or soap, which I know isn't good for me as it's possible that it's already broken in and the brush is how it will forever be.

Well, you got 2 options from here (more actually but this is what I would do)...

1-Try to work on the brush like a new brush and break it (http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php?t=139297)

2-De-knot and re-knot with a silvertip from TGN...

andrew98
07-29-2010, 07:47 PM
It's a copy of a Shavemac #177 handle. If some independent brush maker in the US made it, it's probably a TGN or similar knot. Did the seller say who made the brush?

-Andy

Justinsane
07-29-2010, 07:48 PM
Well, you got 2 options from here (more actually but this is what I would do)...

1-Try to work on the brush like a new brush and break it (http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php?t=139297)

2-De-knot and re-knot with a silvertip from TGN...

I've had it sitting in some cream since the shave. I rinsed it to take the picture and it's back in there now. I've messaged the original owner to try to get more info but nothing yet. It's a very odd brush as due to it's prickly state I could see it being some sort of badger or best badger but the tips are incredibly soft which leads me away.

Justinsane
07-29-2010, 07:50 PM
It's a copy of a Shavemac #177 handle. I can't believe someone would copy an iconic handle design like that. If some independent brush maker in the US made it, it's either a TGN or similar knot. Did the seller say who made the brush?

-Andy

Negative. I should have asked but this was my first trade on here and my ignorance may have got the best of me here.

Justinsane
07-29-2010, 08:15 PM
So I just received a message from the original owner who basically said "I told you so." He's saying that he said the brush had backbone, but this is more than just a lot of backbone. However, he did say he only tried it twice which means there is some hope for it to break in a bit.

andrew98
07-29-2010, 08:44 PM
So I just received a message from the original owner who basically said "I told you so." He's saying that he said the brush had backbone, but this is more than just a lot of backbone. However, he did say he only tried it twice which means there is some hope for it to break in a bit.

Do the hair tips come to a fine point, or are they squared off, as if they've been cut with scissors? If the hair hasn't been trimmed, it may lighten up after a while. Ambrose described a break-in procedure that may help you out.

-Andy

Justinsane
07-29-2010, 08:46 PM
Do the hair tips come to a fine point, or are they squared off, as if they've been cut with scissors? If the hair hasn't been trimmed, it may lighten up after a while. Ambrose described a break-in procedure that may help you out.

-Andy

They aren't cut. The break in process is under way.

andrew98
07-29-2010, 08:48 PM
They aren't cut. The break in process is under way.

Nice. Hopefully, it'll work out for you.

-Andy

DavyRay
07-29-2010, 08:57 PM
Justinsane,

Dat's an ugly dog. Has it been eating chickens?
Oog.

huntmol
07-29-2010, 09:12 PM
Looks like a QED Select brush in Best to me.
I even had that same brush model, and found it to be very prickly.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:qZOQkwC3CqkyHM:http://www.theshaveden.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=27&pictureid=265&t=1

http://badgerandblade.com/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=29289&stc=1&d=1220133115

Luc
07-29-2010, 09:15 PM
They aren't cut. The break in process is under way.

Let the breaking process continue and you might need a few days to make sure it works well. If it's still not to your liking, just get another knot from TGN and re-knot the brush...

Justinsane
07-29-2010, 09:23 PM
Justinsane,

Dat's an ugly dog. Has it been eating chickens?
Oog.

It's actually a very angry badger who just finished eating something.


Looks like a QED Select brush in Best to me.
I even had that same brush model, and found it to be very prickly.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:qZOQkwC3CqkyHM:http://www.theshaveden.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=27&pictureid=265&t=1

http://badgerandblade.com/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=29289&stc=1&d=1220133115

I'm not sure what it is. I would agree with you outside of the fact that the tips are some of the softest I've ever felt.

Scott0079
07-29-2010, 09:37 PM
Well if your still not satisfied after the break in attempt you can always BST it for a different brush, someone would probably love the prickliness....different strokes for different folks.

rickboone1
07-29-2010, 10:00 PM
Well if your still not satisfied after the break in attempt you can always BST it for a different brush, someone would probably love the prickliness....different strokes for different folks.


Personally I like the scratchy feeling. I had an AOS brush that I've since gifted off that had the feeling you describe. Felt good and exfoliating.

Kamamuri
07-30-2010, 04:58 AM
Is the brush brand new? Does it smell funky a bit?

No it doesn't. Has been used less that 10 times.


No, that's the first thing I checked. It smelled like some sort of cream or soap, which I know isn't good for me as it's possible that it's already broken in and the brush is how it will forever be.

I have cleaned the brush carefully. I have used the vinegar method because I don't like Borax. See in the follwing video. I added pure glycerin and a air conditioner.

http://www.shaveinfo.com/videos/brush_cleaning.htm

After that I have made lather with TABAC soap, Cella and Proraso finally because I thought is the best soap to give a good scent to the shaving brushes.

Luc
07-30-2010, 05:02 AM
No it doesn't. Has been used less that 10 times.



I have cleaned the brush carefully for you. I have used the vinegar method because I don't like Borax. You can see in the follwing video. I added pure gliceryn and a air

http://www.shaveinfo.com/videos/brush_cleaning.htm

After that I have made lather with TABAC soap, Cella and Proraso finally because I thought is the best soap to give a good scent to the shaving brushes.

It most likely needs to be broken... A few soakings with dishsoap + a few bowls of lather, it should be fine and non-picky!

Kamamuri
07-30-2010, 05:42 AM
Looks like a QED Select brush in Best to me.
I even had that same brush model, and found it to be very prickly.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:qZOQkwC3CqkyHM:http://www.theshaveden.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=27&pictureid=265&t=1

http://badgerandblade.com/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=29289&stc=1&d=1220133115

Brush's specs (my own measurements, maybe not so precise but very similar to the reality):

Overall height: 10 cm - 3,94 inches
Handle height: 50mm - 1,97 inches
Bristle height: 50mm - 1,97 inches
Knot size: 22/23mm - 0,86/0,90 inches
Loft size: 55mm - 2,16 inches
Handle diameter: 35mm - 1,38 inches
Weight: 70gr - 2,47 oz

Is the softer hair I have trayed, and is the denser brush I had. It has a very good backbone, too much for me, I prefer floppier brushes. That's the reason to trade. Any shedding issue.

Kamamuri
07-30-2010, 05:47 AM
A picture would get you some clearer answers.

Some pics comparing with other silvertip brushes I own. I hope it helps:

Left to rigth: Rooney 1/1, Kim Son, Semogue 730HD and the brush.

http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu335/SlowShaving/Brochas/Lote%20de%20brochas/Brochanonamebest020.jpg

Density:

http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu335/SlowShaving/Brochas/Lote%20de%20brochas/Brochanonamebest021.jpg

http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu335/SlowShaving/Brochas/Lote%20de%20brochas/Brochanonamebest022.jpg

http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu335/SlowShaving/Brochas/Lote%20de%20brochas/Brochanonamebest023.jpg

http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu335/SlowShaving/Brochas/Lote%20de%20brochas/Brochanonamebest024.jpg

http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu335/SlowShaving/Brochas/Lote%20de%20brochas/Brochanonamebest025.jpg

Comparing with Kim Son:

http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu335/SlowShaving/Brochas/Lote%20de%20brochas/Brochanonamebest027.jpg

http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu335/SlowShaving/Brochas/Lote%20de%20brochas/Brochanonamebest028.jpg

http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu335/SlowShaving/Brochas/Lote%20de%20brochas/Brochanonamebest010.jpg

http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu335/SlowShaving/Brochas/Lote%20de%20brochas/Brochanonamebest014.jpg

http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu335/SlowShaving/Brochas/Lote%20de%20brochas/Brochanonamebest015.jpg

With Semogue 730HD, more dense that the regular Semogue 730 silvertip:

http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu335/SlowShaving/Brochas/Lote%20de%20brochas/Brochanonamebest012.jpg

http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu335/SlowShaving/Brochas/Lote%20de%20brochas/Brochanonamebest013.jpg

Kamamuri
07-30-2010, 06:23 AM
So I just received a message from the original owner who basically said "I told you so." He's saying that he said the brush had backbone, but this is more than just a lot of backbone. However, he did say he only tried it twice which means there is some hope for it to break in a bit.

Talking about the backbone, simply is very dense with a short knot (5 cm.). For me a very dense knot + short hair = a lot of backbone.

That is the only think I don't like of the brush, to much backbone for me, I prefer flopiers brushes. I have seen how the american fellas likes the "backboned" brushes, then I suposed that the brush will be Ok for a trade.

Kamamuri
07-30-2010, 06:28 AM
Personally I like the scratchy feeling. I had an AOS brush that I've since gifted off that had the feeling you describe. Felt good and exfoliating.
I think this kind of issues are based in very subjective feelings. The best brush for you can be the worse for me. That's all.

Go West Young Man
07-30-2010, 09:29 AM
If you want to get rid of it, you'll have plenty of offers here.

Justinsane
07-30-2010, 10:37 AM
It most likely needs to be broken... A few soakings with dishsoap + a few bowls of lather, it should be fine and non-picky!

I was under the impression that the dish soap part of things was for the removal of any funky smells. Should I still be doing that step even if the brush doesn't have a smell?

huntmol
07-30-2010, 02:35 PM
I was under the impression that the dish soap part of things was for the removal of any funky smells. Should I still be doing that step even if the brush doesn't have a smell?

No, a brush will break in with normal use. After all, what are you using to shave with? Soap!

Luc
07-30-2010, 03:53 PM
I was under the impression that the dish soap part of things was for the removal of any funky smells. Should I still be doing that step even if the brush doesn't have a smell?


No, a brush will break in with normal use. After all, what are you using to shave with? Soap!

+1

Dishsoap is the first step.

For the picky bit, soak and make some lather. Discard the lather and make some more. It will be better eventually.

Gruder
07-30-2010, 04:56 PM
Gentlemen, the back and forth between the parties involved in the trade should be handled by PM.

Little Joe from Mexico
07-30-2010, 05:37 PM
I love the prickiness of a new badger brush (pure and best are the only ones I've tried). That prickiness goes away (forever) after a few uses. That stage (to me) is very enjoyable.

After the prickiness is gone....... an even more enjoyable stage begins.

Justinsane
07-31-2010, 08:00 AM
Gentlemen, the back and forth between the parties involved in the trade should be handled by PM.

Agreed. I didn't come in here naming names, I was just asking about the brush.

Mr. Igg
07-31-2010, 08:17 PM
If you want to get rid of it, you'll have plenty of offers here.

That'd be true. I've got the 24mm version, and it's probably a bit large for my tastes; but, I love everything else about the knot and would happily scoop up a good quality QED Best. :thumbup:

Will P.C.
07-31-2010, 09:03 PM
Was it confirmed that the original owner bought it from QED? or is it a knot from TGN.

Also, what brushes does the OP own? If you are comparing it to a Simsons 2 band or Rooneys Finest or some higher grade of hair than you will not be satisfied.

Mr. Igg
07-31-2010, 09:51 PM
Was it confirmed that the original owner bought it from QED? or is it a knot from TGN.

Good question: I jumped that gun.

Thebigspendur
08-01-2010, 02:57 PM
It looks more to me like best badger than silvertip. Maybe that's the problem.