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scottb
06-24-2010, 08:22 PM
How do injectors shave compared with a good DE?

I've never considered them until another member raved about the Cobra Classic. I don't have that kind of $$, but it's possible to pick up a Schick or a PAL....is it worth it?

gearchow
06-24-2010, 08:32 PM
Have you noticed that the design that won out in the Gillette world is a single edge Schick injector style design? Shaving with a Schick injector is a great experience. Plus, they can be had in nice condition for just loose change it seems like.

Try it, you'll like it. I gar-onn-tee it.

:thumbup:

-jim

michiganlover
06-24-2010, 08:35 PM
Try it, you'll like it. I gar-onn-tee it.

Ah...good old Justin Wilson. :w00t:

+1 for Injectors. Gives a shave every bit as close as a DE, but with less effort, and far less of a learning curve.

An Injector looks, and feels a bit like using a non-pivoting cartridge razor. It provides such an easy shave, that most of the time it feels like cheating. :lol::lol:

If I could have but one safety razor, it would probably be an Injector. Simple to use, and well built. You really can't go wrong.

Swampfox
06-24-2010, 08:40 PM
Injectors are different, but I am a recent convert to SEs, and am becoming a big fan of the injectors. I can get incredible shaves using only one pass over my heavy beard and have a nice shave. Not BBS mind you, but very nice. So not only are they good, but they can be time savers.

Slivovitz
06-24-2010, 09:04 PM
I get a closer shave with my best injectors (types E, G, and Schick adjustable) than I do with my best DE razors (Fatboy and Gillette New).

That's one person's experience. With a different DE razor, a different blade, or simply better DE technique, it might be a different story. I do know that I haven't shaved with a DE in about two months, but I do plan to get back to them.

If you plan to try an injector, you might want to get one of the cheap but good older models to start with. Types E, G, I, and J are pretty common, you may never want another, and you probably won't have spent a lot if they don't work out for you.

Blondie
06-24-2010, 09:06 PM
Definitely try an injector if you haven't yet.

gearchow
06-24-2010, 09:09 PM
I get a closer shave with my best injectors (types E, G, and Schick adjustable) than I do with my best DE razors (Fatboy and Gillette New).

That's one person's experience. With a different DE razor, a different blade, or simply better DE technique, it might be a different story. I do know that I haven't shaved with a DE in about two months, but I do plan to get back to them.

If you plan to try an injector, you might want to get one of the cheap but good older models to start with. Types E, G, I, and J are pretty common, you may never want another, and you probably won't have spent a lot if they don't work out for you.

+1 and I am always amazed on how a bit of scrubbing bubbles and easy scrubbing the gold shines. There is something about the E and G models.

-jim

scottb
06-24-2010, 10:33 PM
Thanks fellas. Is ebay the best source for blades?

kadett
06-24-2010, 11:44 PM
Since buying an injector some months ago, I have not used my DE's at all. I use a Type I (Hydro-Magic). Other than buying an Ever-Ready SE to try I am using my injector all the time and have just bought an adjustable version of the injector as well.

Of course YMMV but for me the injector is a superior shave to any DE I have tried.

As for blades, Ebay is really the most expensive option. All you need are these highly regarded Schick blades made in China.

http://www.drugstore.com/products/prod.asp?pid=27404&catid=89896

PhatMan
06-25-2010, 01:00 AM
scottb,

I use a few DEs, and a 'E' model Schick SE.

The SEs shave differently from the DEs, but both give close comfortable shaves.

I think that the Schick SEs are easier to use for new people, as the general shape & hold is similar to a cartridge razor. However the early model Schicks can be quite aggressive !

If in doubt, I would get one (many ?!!) of each type; RAD - resitance is futile :001_smile

Swapping razors in a rotation makes for a nice change.

Have fun !

Best regards

Russ

Wil Dorenbos
06-25-2010, 01:40 AM
Have you noticed that the design that won out in the Gillette world is a single edge Schick injector style design? Shaving with a Schick injector is a great experience. Plus, they can be had in nice condition for just loose change it seems like.

Try it, you'll like it. I gar-onn-tee it.

:thumbup:

-jim

I get good shaves with my Schick L1.

Patrik
06-25-2010, 05:12 AM
I enjoy shaving with my injectors (an adjustable and an older G or J-type - not sure, it's one of those butterscotch-handled ones dating back to 1937 or 1939 I believe), but I don't use them that often because, to me, they're like driving an automatic transmission car after you've gotten the hang of driving a stick-shift - not as much fun, and not as much of a connection with the razor (or vehicle). Plus I'm really into experimenting with all my razors and DE blades right now before settling down on a few favorites - injectors don't offer as much variety.

Slivovitz
06-25-2010, 05:37 AM
Thanks fellas. Is ebay the best source for blades?

You might be lucky enough to find them locally, but Hocks.com (http://hocks.com/Merchant5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=A557504), drugstore.com (http://www.drugstore.com/products/prod.asp?pid=27404&catid=89896), and Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Schick-Injector-Blades-7-Count-Boxes/dp/B001E6VHUQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1277465792&sr=8-1) all have them. Or you might find a good deal on eBay, of course.

DE Shaver
06-25-2010, 05:50 AM
You can get great shaves with injectors. My personal experience wasn't a smashing success but I can see why injectors have their advocates.

DoctorTattoo
06-25-2010, 06:09 AM
Is there an all metal, or better yet all Stainless injector razor out there?

Shawn

itsjustjim
06-25-2010, 06:34 AM
Ok, so I got a injector type L and a 51 black tip superspeed today on ebay. Which will I like better?

Wil Dorenbos
06-25-2010, 07:14 AM
Ok, so I got a injector type L and a 51 black tip superspeed today on ebay. Which will I like better?

Only you can tell that.

Slivovitz
06-25-2010, 07:25 AM
Is there an all metal, or better yet all Stainless injector razor out there?

Shawn
Entirely stainless, I believe not. The Pal adjustable and Personna non-adjustable are largely stainless, as is, I believe the Schick type O, but there are plastic parts.

The Schick "Paul Revere" model was largely metal, I believe, although I also think I read that there was plastic somewhere under part of the chrome. Confirmation needed.

The F type injector is all aluminum and brass. I have one, and like it, but it's not absolutely the best shaver among them, IMHO. These are harder to find. The D type is even harder to find, and seems to go for more money than I'd pay, but it's all metal.

The early magazine repeater models are all metal. The injection mechanism is a bit different. I have a few of these, but have not yet shaved with them.

knlgskr
06-25-2010, 08:45 AM
Began shaving with a Tech DE, switched to an Injector & stayed with it over the years after trying every new "innovation" that came on the market & still prefer the Injector with the SE giving it competition except in the "hard to reach/shave areas". For me, Injectors with good blades have and still provide the best shaves but I only speak for myself.

scottb
06-25-2010, 05:02 PM
So, one more stupid question:

I just won my first injector...I know the Schick + Personna blades it can use, but what about the Feather Professional that the Cobra over at Classic Shaving uses? Do those fit, are they worth it, etc.?

Like I needed another AD.....

michiganlover
06-25-2010, 05:50 PM
So, one more stupid question:

I just won my first injector...I know the Schick + Personna blades it can use, but what about the Feather Professional that the Cobra over at Classic Shaving uses? Do those fit, are they worth it, etc.?

Like I needed another AD.....


The short story, no they don't work.

The long story: if you are super ingenious, and willing to risk cuts, it's possible to cut the blade down to the correct size, so it will fit an Injector. You would then have to sand off the rough edges. Next you would have to load your modified blade (carefully) into an empty Injector Cartridge.

I can't imagine most people would think this procedure would be worth it; not when the Schick blades provide wonderful shaves on their own.

More info about this found here:

http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php?t=151705&highlight=feather+injector

Swampfox
06-25-2010, 06:16 PM
Are there any other injector blades, besides ones made by Schick, that come with the key?

michiganlover
06-25-2010, 06:24 PM
Are there any other injector blades, besides ones made by Schick, that come with the key?

Well there are the Personna blades (sold under many in house brands, and also via Ted Pella) that come with the key, but the overall housing for these blades are quite wretched. It's an all plastic design, and the blade doesn't perfectly line up with the head of the razor. The blades can be injected, but it requires some playing around.

Blondie
06-25-2010, 06:30 PM
Have to agree with Michiganlover, the Personna Injector is just poorly made, and difficult to insert the blades. The schicks available on Drugstore.com are great blades, and not too expensive considering you get more shaves per blade than with a DE.

Swampfox
06-25-2010, 06:41 PM
Well there are the Personna blades (sold under many in house brands, and also via Ted Pella) that come with the key, but the overall housing for these blades are quite wretched. It's an all plastic design, and the blade doesn't perfectly line up with the head of the razor. The blades can be injected, but it requires some playing around.

I got a 20 pack of the Personna (so I have a lot to go thru), but it lacks the key, so it makes the loading a pain. My first pack of injector blades were the Schick, and if I had known the Personna lacked the key, then I would have bought another pack of the Schick.


Have to agree with Michiganlover, the Personna Injector is just poorly made, and difficult to insert the blades. The schicks available on Drugstore.com are great blades, and not too expensive considering you get more shaves per blade than with a DE.

I didn't realize the injector blades lasted so long. If I had, I would have just bought more Schick's. Several of the grocery stores in this area sell them. One injector blade, of the Schick, lasts me over a week (as compared to the 2-3 days of the DE).

scottb
06-25-2010, 09:43 PM
Thanks again fellas. Found one last pack of Schick Inj. blades at the grocery store gathering dust. Hopefully will get more soon.

Jaymo
06-25-2010, 11:35 PM
I love my injectors. I have E, G, and Pal. The E and G feel like holding a Bic disposable. They feel cheap because of the light weight. They shave fantastically. Like said by others, it feels like cheating. They're the best headshavers, too.

scottb
10-30-2010, 02:42 PM
Wow. Found this thread while searching for something completely different. It's been 4 months since I started the post...and I now have more than 20 injectors and seldom use anything else.

I have a Mergress XL, possibly the nicest DE I've ever used, and it just sits there while I delay the inevitable b/s/t, because when it's time to actually shave I always reach for an old Schick.

DunEdinRanger
10-30-2010, 02:47 PM
Until I tried them, I wouldn't have believed how close and long lasting an injector shave is.

If you haven't tried it, you really owe it to yourself to do so.

kg0mz
10-30-2010, 03:05 PM
My very recent go with an injector was no fun at all. A B&B member loaned me a smart looking, if somewhat small, injector razor. I don't remember them being that small. I lacerated myself with it. My guess is that is not typical. I used these razors years back. I do not recall ever having problems.

For me, it is back to my comfortable DE existence.

HoosierTrooper
10-30-2010, 03:17 PM
Injectors are great! Third shave this morning with a Chinese Schick blade that shows no sign of slowing down. First day in an E2, second day in a G8 with the ribbed handle and today in a turqouise handle G5. It's already been moved to a PAL Injecto-matic for tomorrow morning. I'm going to stick with it until it's done for just to see how long it will last.

Everyone should try an injector.

DunEdinRanger
10-30-2010, 04:20 PM
Injectors are great! Third shave this morning with a Chinese Schick blade that shows no sign of slowing down. First day in an E2, second day in a G8 with the ribbed handle and today in a turqouise handle G5. It's already been moved to a PAL Injecto-matic for tomorrow morning. I'm going to stick with it until it's done for just to see how long it will last.

Everyone should try an injector.

How are you moving the blade around??

craig87c
10-30-2010, 04:21 PM
I think injectors are becoming the newest B&B fad! Fatboys, boar, Vintage OS and Yardley have all had their 15 minutes :lol:

The injectors shave great, at least mine does. Took a few shaves to get everything, but once I did, I won't be going back to DEs anytime soon.

Batman
10-30-2010, 06:50 PM
I love DE's but injectors rock...

HoosierTrooper
10-30-2010, 07:05 PM
How are you moving the blade around??

I put the key in, start a new blade just enough to move the one in the razor out far enough to grip it and just slide it out. Then I use a small jewelers screwdriver to push the blade back into the dispenser, reload the blade I'm using into the dispenser and load the next razor. With an E type I just open it up and take the blade out and reload it into the dispenser.

In writing it sounds more complicated than it really is. Just have to be careful not to drag the blade across the blade stops.

DunEdinRanger
10-30-2010, 07:08 PM
I put the key in, start a new blade just enough to move the one in the razor out far enough to grip it and just slide it out. Then I use a small jewelers screwdriver to push the blade back into the dispenser, reload the blade I'm using into the dispenser and load the next razor. With an E type I just open it up and take the blade out and reload it into the dispenser.

In writing it sounds more complicated than it really is. Just have to be careful not to drag the blade across the blade stops.

I thought it might be something like that. Thanks, but I'll stick to one blade in the injector at a time. :001_smile

BBrad
10-30-2010, 07:16 PM
One of my first razors 40 years ago was my grandfather's Schick injector . . . don't know exactly what model it was (G?) but I remember it did have the round "thingy" . . . lost it when I went in the service and started using a Trac II.

I remember it to be a smooth shave, and I used the Schick blades back then.

Last year, I tried finding another injector to replace my long-lost "gramps" razor. The first was a disaster, the second a PIF that shaved well, but wasn't the same. Along the way I picked up a couple others . . . those too were disappointing.

Finally, a few weeks ago, I picked up an L-type in a lot of razors I "won" on eBay. It cleaned up nice and felt good in my hand. I threw a new ASR blade in it (yes, had to jiggle the device to get it to align correctly) and away I went!! What an outstanding shave I got from it!!

It now has a special place in my regular line-up. It is my first choice for touch-ups and quick shaves. A one-pass trip across the ol' mug comes out quite nicely!! A two-pass shave doesn't match up to other razors, but for those one-pass events this one rocks the house!! Reasonably close, and absolutely no irritation!

SWMBO (bless her heart, I'm a lucky man) likes it best for shaving behind my ears and across the back of my neck . . . (God, I long for the old-time barbershop days . . .) and I have to agree . . . it's great!!

Yes, the plastic handle isn't as "classic" as the old Butterscotch Bakelite, or even the plastics from the '50s . . . but this is one razor that will have to be pried from my hands when I pass along someday . . .

HoosierTrooper
10-30-2010, 07:28 PM
I thought it might be something like that. Thanks, but I'll stick to one blade in the injector at a time. :001_smile

I like to use a different model every day is the only reason I do the blade switcheroo. It is a bit easier with an SE or DE!

Silvermink
10-30-2010, 07:44 PM
I tried my Type E Injector for the first time today and have nothing but good things to say. It's one of the most (if not the most) aggressive models, but even with my sensitive skin it did a really good job.

I think I got a slightly-closer shave with it than I usually get with my DE89L + Feathers, and considering that was my first time ever using an Injector, I think that's pretty impressive.

It's significantly more expensive than a DE in terms of blade cost, but still nowhere near the current cartridge systems.

Slivovitz
10-30-2010, 07:53 PM
. . .It's significantly more expensive than a DE in terms of blade cost. . .

Maybe yes, maybe no. I can count on 7 shaves from the various Personna re-branded blades, like Pellas, and have gotten up to 10 from a modern Schick. So for me, cost per shave is not much greater than a DE.

On the other hand, I've seen others claim that they get only 3 or 4 shaves from the same kinds of injector blades, so you'll have to see how that works out for you.

Silvermink
10-30-2010, 09:30 PM
Maybe yes, maybe no. I can count on 7 shaves from the various Personna re-branded blades, like Pellas, and have gotten up to 10 from a modern Schick. So for me, cost per shave is not much greater than a DE.

On the other hand, I've seen others claim that they get only 3 or 4 shaves from the same kinds of injector blades, so you'll have to see how that works out for you.

Mm, true, I didn't consider the shaves-per-blade factor. If I can get 10 shaves per blade that makes it a lot more attractive cost-wise, yeah.

Go West Young Man
10-31-2010, 01:33 PM
I get 4-5 shaves with an injector versus 3 with a DE, but I'm still not completely sold on them. The good old flare tip SS consistently gives me better shaves, but that's likely because I have a couple years of practice behin me, versus about 30 injector shaves.

talibeard
10-31-2010, 06:04 PM
I do like the occasional injector shave but prefer the DE. Though I do like the Schick blades the biggest drawback on injectors is the very limited choice in blades. There are too many DE blades I like better than the Schick injector-blades.