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Jobol
05-07-2010, 12:42 AM
All right this small guide is for all of those who wondered how to identify a Schick Injector Type E from a Type G on the B/S/Ts, antique shops, eBay, etc....

The injector Type E is usually regarded as the more aggressive shaver and from personal experience performs better than it's Type E cousin with heavy beards.

The injector Type G on the other hand is the perfect candidate for a Featherjector Frankenstein as it is the perfect aggressiveness to be coupled and to counter balance the really aggressive Feather blade. More on that in another guide to follow next week. The Type G is also very cheap to be had and is more readily found than the Type E.

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All right, so if we look at both razors from the back one next to the other (bakelite), it is very hard to tell them apart:

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Which one is which?

And if we look at front pictures, they would still look nearly identical:

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So how to determine which one is which?

While there might several visual cue in reference to the handle colors that were limited to a specific model, but the easiest way to identify one from the other is to look closely at the razor's head.

On the type E, you will find a single patent number: 1806087

On the type G, you will find two patent numbers: 1806087 and 1969945.

These patents numbers are commonly mistaken for serial numbers or date codes. They are not.

Notice that the patent 1969945 is actually the patent for the blade loading mechanism which is the same on both, so I am speculating the reason the second patent number is not found on Type E's is because the patent was pending and not approved yet when the production of these razors started. If you look carefully on the Type E the texts says "others pending", probably referring to the blade loading mechanism patent.

Another common trait identifying the Type E from the Type G is a small seem running at the back of the handle. The Type E do not have any seem on the back of them, and the Type G's do have a vertical seem along the handle.

So here is what you should be looking for:

Type E
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A single patent number


Type G
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Two patents numbers

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On a side note, here is a visual comparison on the aggressiveness of both types:

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You can clearly see how much shorter is the blade to skin gap on the Type E (right) vs the Type G (left) thus making this razor more aggressive than it's descendant.



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ambrose
05-07-2010, 03:29 AM
fantastic , thank you for the insight :thumbup1:

I recently fell in love with an E style that I like to use with a feather pro super. I didnt realize it was more aggressive than a G style.

Blue-EyedSon
05-07-2010, 03:46 AM
Thanks for the guide! I haven't ventured out in the world of injectors, but it is nice to have a resource like this one.

Darjeeling Express
05-07-2010, 05:28 AM
Great work Jobol.

Slivovitz
05-07-2010, 07:10 AM
Good post. I now wonder if my type E may be just another G. Thing is, the handle is almost certainly bakelite. Can't go by the patent number, as this one is made in Canada, and just says "patent 1937". The heads are identical, though, when held side by side, which should clinch it. Hadn't realized that the type E head was that different.

mmack66
05-07-2010, 07:18 AM
Good post. I now wonder if my type E may be just another G. Thing is, the handle is almost certainly bakelite. Can't go by the patent number, as this one is made in Canada, and just says "patent 1937". The heads are identical, though, when held side by side, which should clinch it. Hadn't realized that the type E head was that different.

The G-type handles usually have a seam running down the center of the plastic handle. I don't think there is normally such a difference in the head, but the spring in the G-type in the OP looks a little off.

Slivovitz
05-07-2010, 07:34 AM
The G-type handles usually have a seam running down the center of the plastic handle. I don't think there is normally such a difference in the head, but the spring in the G-type in the OP looks a little off.

Yes, my Canadian Schick very definitely does not have the seam, unlike my type G, which is one reason I think the handle is Bakelite. In turn, that's why I have been assuming it's a type E. The reference page (http://www.safetyrazors.net/schick/schicktech.htm) I usually go by may not cover every variation. May just have to live with the ambiguity.:001_smile

Jobol
05-07-2010, 08:37 AM
The G-type handles usually have a seam running down the center of the plastic handle.

Yep, I noticed that too on my Type G and it is absent from my type E. Is that definitely not found on Type Es?



I don't think there is normally such a difference in the head, but the spring in the G-type in the OP looks a little off.

I knew my Type G's spring to be defective (heavily loose), so I made sure before taking the pictures to hard press the spring against the back of the head before taking the picture. I will re-verify.


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Jobol
05-07-2010, 08:45 AM
Yes, my Canadian Schick very definitely does not have the seam, unlike my type G, which is one reason I think the handle is Bakelite. In turn, that's why I have been assuming it's a type E. The reference page (http://www.safetyrazors.net/schick/schicktech.htm) I usually go by may not cover every variation. May just have to live with the ambiguity.:001_smile

Is the head geometry exactly the same on both?

I didn't account for the canadian version. Would you mind posting a picture of it? (close up of the head would be appreciated)

Slivovitz
05-07-2010, 09:12 AM
Is the head geometry exactly the same on both?

I didn't account for the canadian version. Would you mind posting a picture of it? (close up of the head would be appreciated)

Sure. I'll take some pictures a bit later in the day.

MikeRyu
05-07-2010, 09:21 AM
Sorry about hijacking this thread but I didn't think that this deserves a whole thread to itself so I looked for the newest injector topic. I'll be quick...

I'm an injector newbie and thanks to c0ry I'm going to be the proud owner of a Type L Schick Injector for the first time. Blades. I'm a little stumped as there's a few that seem very similar. Are these the ones that you guys would recommend?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Schick-Injector-Blades-7-ea-durable-chromium-/280079878328?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41360fc8b8

Again sorry Jobol for hijacking your thread. :blush:

Slivovitz
05-07-2010, 03:04 PM
Is the head geometry exactly the same on both?

I didn't account for the canadian version. Would you mind posting a picture of it? (close up of the head would be appreciated)

Here we go. The handle on the Canadian Schick (CS from now on) is Bakelite based on the hot water test [Edit, and no seam], so either it's an E type or some G types had Bakelite handles. The G type is US made and has the two patent numbers and the seam on the handle. Side by side, CS on the left, there are some differences in the heads, but they're subtle.

kingfisher
05-07-2010, 03:31 PM
Sorry about hijacking this thread but I didn't think that this deserves a whole thread to itself so I looked for the newest injector topic. I'll be quick...

I'm an injector newbie and thanks to c0ry I'm going to be the proud owner of a Type L Schick Injector for the first time. Blades. I'm a little stumped as there's a few that seem very similar. Are these the ones that you guys would recommend?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Schick-Injector-Blades-7-ea-durable-chromium-/280079878328?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41360fc8b8

Again sorry Jobol for hijacking your thread. :blush:

Those are excellent blades. :thumbup1:

DonOhio
05-07-2010, 07:50 PM
I've heard bakelite can be polished (carefully) whereas plastic can't. True?

Agent604
05-07-2010, 09:08 PM
Great thread. I just bought a Schick injector off of eBay. I've been assuming that it was a Type E since it didn't have the seam on the handle. But what I actually have is the Canadian version that Slivovitz posted about. I'm also curious to see if anyone can tell us more about it.

Regardless, I'm loving this little razor.

Radar O\'Reilly
05-07-2010, 10:57 PM
Thanks for the guide. I now know I have a type E sitting on my shelf!

ambrose
05-08-2010, 08:47 AM
I've heard bakelite can be polished (carefully) whereas plastic can't. True?

I have a black handled E type that I polished up which I believe to be plastic.

kingfisher
05-08-2010, 10:25 AM
I've heard bakelite can be polished (carefully) whereas plastic can't. True?

Not true. Most forms of plastic can be carefully polished using Flitz or Simichrome and a microfiber cloth.

FLTiger
05-09-2010, 01:23 PM
Thank you for posting this guide. I had never realized that the aggressiveness of the Type E was so different from the Type G. I suppose I know what my next razor will be, as I've not yet had an opportunity to shave with a type E.

mblakele
05-09-2010, 01:34 PM
Thanks - now I know my injector is a "G".

Jobol, have you considered putting this information on the wiki? I think http://wiki.badgerandblade.com/index.php/Schick_Injector could use the pictures and the identification tips.

shaveME2
05-17-2010, 02:43 PM
I was sure one of my injectors was E type and the other was G type. I got both off B/S/T's and both were classified as E's. But as was stated in this thread I found info that said if the handle had a seam in it it was a G type. Now after seeing this I'm confused some because my heads look identical and both have the one patent# 1806087 but one is the darker bakelite handled E and I assume the lighter in color and plastic handle with the seam is a G. The only thing I'm sure of is they are great little razors and I enjoy my shaves from them.

scottb
07-26-2010, 12:29 PM
I wanted to see if this was still being debated...I have one of the Made In Canada bakelite versions, and it's much more aggressive than my other E's, which aren't exactly mild. It's more aggressive than my slant and pretty much every other thing I've tried.

I'm trying to figure out if this is an isolated fluke or if there's a "super E" among the bakelites you can still find.

Slivovitz
07-26-2010, 03:07 PM
I don't have any final answers or hard evidence, but I think that the information in this thread needs to be re-thought at least, and taken with a grain of salt. That includes my own posts, of course.

Based on our usual reference site (http://www.safetyrazors.net/schick/schicktech.htm), one sure sign of a type E would be that the spring has side flaps on it. I'm not talking about the retaining tabs that hold the spring in place, but flaps that make it easier to push on the spring itself. See one of the pictures in the original post. If it has those flaps, then apparently it's a type E3 or earlier. If it's missing them, it could be an E4, E5, or type G.

I have two Schicks with these flaps, I believe an E2 and E3. With blades loaded, the dimensions are not noticeably different from my type Gs.

Two of my Schicks have the made in Canada markings on them. One, pictured earlier, does not have the side flaps, but does have a Bakelite handle. I no longer have an opinion on whether it's an E4 or a G1.

The other Canadian Schick has the side flaps, which would make it a type E, it also has a non-Bakelite plastic handle. You can see what I mean in this SOTD photo (http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php?p=2229172#post2229172).

If the Canadian Schicks are different, could there be other exceptions? Don't know.

As a collector, I'm interested, but I have to say that I don't find much difference in the shave between my E and G types, or between the Canadian and US ones.

P.S. I've been thinking of buying Wait's Compendium. How is it on injectors?

scottb
07-26-2010, 06:08 PM
Really nice SOTD, and thanks for all the info (everyone.)

So, I'm not confident enough yet to contribute to the wiki, but these are my G's:
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I've tried to enhance the photos for detail. Each has 2 patent #s, no flaps, seamed handles except for the 2 lucite handles up top. The one up top far right has a seamed handle but looks and feels just like bakelite.

These are my E's:

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The Canadian is on the left. Both Americans have a texturized finish. I can't figure out exactly what makes the Canadian so much more aggressive, even looking at blade gap and such. The only thing is that it seems to have less guard.
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Maybe it's random. I do think the guards on the G's (with parallel grooves) make for a milder shave, but I could be wrong.

BTW, I know I don't need this many Schicks, I'm gonna sell or trade off the surplus.

THAW
10-30-2011, 07:59 PM
I got a G a few weeks ago in an eBay lot and finally cleaned it up a couple days ago. Having my first shave with it tonight. I hope the shorter handle is nice because the other 2 injectors I received in a lot (PAL ajustable, Schick Golden "500") have super long handles and just seem weird. Has anyone seen on of these lucite ones? It seems they're not very common. I think they're really pretty. They're a G patent.
http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Vintage-Eversharp-Schick-Razor-Lucite-Handle-/20/!Bq4WsWgBGk~$(KGrHqUOKkEEu,wtqE2WBL)RpgJdP!~~_3.JP G

santamariasteve
10-30-2011, 08:18 PM
I recently got a Shick Injector G and I like it very much.

Based on the information on this thread I went shopping for an E model today. I found one in very good condition in an antique store and paid $25. I little pricey, but I gon't care. 10 years from now, what difference will it have made, whether I paid $25 or $5? I felt fortunate to find an E, as most of the bakelite ones on the market are a G.

I'm looking forward to shaving with it next week and comparing it to the G. I understand the E was made from 1935 to 1945. I was born in 1936, so I find it interesting to be shaving with an item that is about as old as I.

Makes me wonder where did it live when I was a boy, and how many owners has it had?

THAW
10-30-2011, 10:02 PM
Well, I shaved with that baby and it was incredible!!! No Gillette comes close! It cuts so smoothly and easily and ---you don't have to use any pressure--. I also had no nicks or irritation. I felt after the first pass that the shave was great/very close and didn't need to go further but to test it out I did 3 passes and then usual clean up (under nose, cheekbones, sides of neck, etc) and it was much easier than before. What I can't understand is that this razor much be much lighter than a Gillette but it shaves SO much better! It's mind-boggling! This was also a G type I was shaving with, and you said it's the less aggressive of the two. This G to me has similar shaving feel as a Red Tip or open comb, you can really feel that blade on your skin and how well it's cutting. It makes you pay more attention. Great razor and they go for super cheap. It's easy to see this razor becoming a personal favorite and getting regular weekly or even daily use.

mistercitizen
06-12-2013, 09:53 AM
Great thread!! Thanks for posting this information.

Ben

retturn2blades
06-12-2013, 11:57 AM
Very nice text and pictorial on the E versus G. One thing that throws all this out the window is the Canadian version of the EverSharp/Schick injectors.

I had one from Canada and it had the head of a G but the handle of the E. Because it was made in Canada the patent numbers were off too. I posted about the Canadian oddity and none of the experts could ever nail down what model it was. Lots of speculation but no hard facts. Such is the world of razor manufacturing.

Oscroft
06-12-2013, 03:26 PM
I had one from Canada and it had the head of a G but the handle of the E.

And to complicate matters, I have a Canada one with an E head and a G handle.

RaiserLiebe
06-14-2013, 09:56 AM
Just received an amber-handled G (2 patent numbers).

From looking at pictures I had assumed that the spring would swing to the side to open the head a bit for cleaning (like the HydroMagic). Otherwise, why put the circular track around the rivet?

But now seeing it in the flesh, this doesn't seem to be the case. There is a tang that prevents side to side movement.

Is there a way to swing that spring to the side, or is it permanently in place?

Wingnut
06-14-2013, 02:13 PM
Some folks have managed to swing that spring aside, but others have ruined razors trying it. Proceed at your own risk.

morseman
06-14-2013, 03:53 PM
I have also seen razors with the lhs tang removed so that they open easily.

mjclark
11-14-2013, 09:39 AM
Just got one of those Canadian Type Es.
The box itself reveals that it predates the Gs as it says "magazine repeating razor company, niagara falls", yet it has a plastic handle with a seam.
And yes it is way more aggressive than my FaTip!

mjclark
11-14-2013, 11:30 AM
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/15/uqyhy6ez.jpg

mjclark
11-14-2013, 11:32 AM
And the box