Help with a list of tallow soaps still being produced.

[grump]

With all of the reformulating, which soaps, still in production, still contain tallow?

Let us try to make a list:

MWF
Cella
AOS
Tabac
P.160
Palmolive Shave Stick
Irisch Moos Shave Stick
Valobra Shave Stick
Arko Shave Stick

That is just a start, when you add please copy the previously named to make the list complete.

[Trendkill]

D.R. Harris
MWF
Cella
AOS
Tabac
P.160
Palmolive Shave Stick
Irisch Moos Shave Stick
Valobra Shave Stick
Arko Shave Stick

[John Kreiner]

All the 3 Ts

[Sieges]

Isen't the Speick Stick tallow.... ?

Edit:

MWF
Cella
AOS
Tabac
P.160
Palmolive Shave Stick
Irisch Moos Shave Stick
Valobra Shave Stick
Arko Shave Stick
Speick Shave Stick

[nwman]

i would add:
la toja shave stick
prairie-creations shave soap
haslinger "honig" (honey)


With all of the reformulating, which soaps, still in production, still contain tallow?

Let us try to make a list:

MWF
Cella
AOS
Tabac
P.160
Palmolive Shave Stick
Irisch Moos Shave Stick
Valobra Shave Stick
Arko Shave Stick

That is just a start, when you add please copy the previously named to make the list complete.

[timmy]

Williams Mug Soap
la toja shave stick
prairie-creations shave soap
haslinger "honig" (honey)
Spieck Shave Stick
D.R. Harris
MWF
Cella
AOS
Tabac
P.160
Palmolive Shave Stick
Irisch Moos Shave Stick
Valobra Shave Stick
Arko Shave Stick

[Sieges]

Is La Toya tallow based?
I don't own one, so I can't check, however, it's comments in the "Reviews" sections suggests that it's veggie....

[timmy]

Is La Toya tallow based?
I don't own one, so I can't check, however, it's comments in the "Reviews" sections suggests that it's veggie....

I think your correct
http://www.theshaveden.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=10923&stc=1&d=1245680891
Im not seeing tallow or tallowate anywhere

Williams Mug Soap
prairie-creations shave soap
haslinger "honig" (honey)
Spieck Shave Stick
D.R. Harris
MWF
Cella
AOS
Tabac
P.160
Palmolive Shave Stick
Irisch Moos Shave Stick
Valobra Shave Stick
Arko Shave Stick

[Empty Words]

Williams Mug Soap
prairie-creations shave soap
haslinger "honig" (honey)
Spieck Shave Stick
D.R. Harris
MWF
Cella
AOS
Tabac
P.160
Palmolive Shave Stick
Irisch Moos Shave Stick
Valobra Shave Stick
Arko Shave Stic
My Time Bath and Body

[Scissors]

Haslinger Ringelblumen (ringelblumen)
Haslinger Sandelholz (Sandalwood)
(* * *)

So the list is now:
Williams Mug Soap
prairie-creations shave soap
Haslinger "honig" (honey)
Haslinger "ringelblumen' (marigold)
Haslinger "sandelholz" (sajdapwood)
Spieck Shave Stick
D.R. Harris
MWF
Cella
AOS
Tabac
P.160
Palmolive Shave Stick
Irisch Moos Shave Stick
Valobra Shave Stick
Arko Shave Stic
My Time Bath and Body

[SiBurning]

+ C&S
+ Olivia crema
+/- flavors & detail

Arko Shave Stick
Art of Shaving (lavender, lemon, sandalwood, unscented)
Cella, soft soap (almond)
Czech & Speake (88, Oxford & Cambridge)
D.R. Harris (almond, lavender, arlington, marlborough)
Haslinger (marigold, sage, seaweed, honey, aloe vera, sandalwood)
Irisch Moos Shave Stick (Sir Irisch Moos)
Mitchell's Wool Fat
My Time Bath and Body, shaving cream, not soap (menthol only?)
Olivia Seife (19 flavors of soft soap + Crema Sapone Cella moldable soap in almond only)
P.160 (Tipo Duro soft soap & Tipo Morbido softer soap, both in almond only)
Palmolive Shave Stick
Prairie Creations (over 30 flavors)
Spieck Shave Stick
Tabac
Valobra Shave Stick
Williams Mug Soap

[professorchaos]

All the 3 Ts

Hasn't tallow been reformulated out of the three Ts?

[SiBurning]

Hasn't tallow been reformulated out of the three Ts?

Then they should be the 3 ts. (pronounced teases)

[John Kreiner]

Hasn't tallow been reformulated out of the three Ts?

I was a little too fast on the keys:blushing: Never been too fast before what so ever:blush:

[Bruce]

If this has been treated before please let me know, but what's the issue with tallow based soaps? Is the movement away from tallow based on manufacturing issues - increased difficulty in obtaining animal fats, greater cost in production, or is it a reaction by end users to having used animal parts in contact with human body parts and the possibility thereby of sapping someone's vital purity of essence? :thumbdown The tallow based soaps/creams that I've used seem to work very well, thus my curiosity here. :thumbup:


:huh:

[riooso]

I believe that Mitchell's Wool Fat is made with lanolin I believe which although similar to Tallow is not the same. I am allergic to MWF but have no problems with tallow products but that may have to do with other things in the soap.


Later,
Richard

[SiBurning]

If this has been treated before please let me know, but what's the issue with tallow based soaps? Is the movement away from tallow based on manufacturing issues - increased difficulty in obtaining animal fats, greater cost in production, or is it a reaction by end users to having used animal parts in contact with human body parts and the possibility thereby of sapping someone's vital purity of essence? :thumbdown The tallow based soaps/creams that I've used seem to work very well, thus my curiosity here. :thumbup:


:huh:
Like likes like. :cool: Hey! Just enjoy it.

There's several threads about it. Probably in the shaving soap forum. All of your reasons, plus a lot of others cause managements to reconsider. To which I'd add the recent volatility in pricing, where first beef prices skyrocketed, then when grains became expensive last year, the price dropped precipitously because ranchers couldn't afford to feed their animals and they were dumping them on th market. Companies don't like to pay exorbitant prices, and later have to take inventory write downs.


I believe that Mitchell's Wool Fat is made with lanolin I believe which although similar to Tallow is not the same. I am allergic to MWF but have no problems with tallow products but that may have to do with other things in the soap.


Later,
Richard
Lanolin's just an additive, way down the list of ingredients. The first ingredient is still tallow.
Products Ingredients Database (http://www.theshaveden.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4780)

[kingfisher]

All the 3 Ts

Nope.

[coolbluewater]

Lanolin's just an additive, way down the list of ingredients. The first ingredient is still tallow.
Products Ingredients Database (http://www.theshaveden.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4780)

Thanks for that link.

[Dink]

Arko Shave Stick
Art of Shaving (lavender, lemon, sandalwood, unscented)
Cella, soft soap (almond)
Czech & Speake (88, Oxford & Cambridge)
D.R. Harris (almond, lavender, arlington, marlborough)
Haslinger (marigold, sage, seaweed, honey, aloe vera, sandalwood)
Irisch Moos Shave Stick (Sir Irisch Moos)
Mitchell's Wool Fat
My Time Bath and Body, shaving cream, not soap (menthol only?)
Olivia Seife (19 flavors of soft soap + Crema Sapone Cella moldable soap in almond only)
P.160 (Tipo Duro soft soap & Tipo Morbido softer soap, both in almond only)
Palmolive Shave Stick
Prairie Creations (over 30 flavors)
Spieck Shave Stick
Tabac
Valobra Shave Stick
Williams Mug Soap
Wilkinson Sword Stick


Cheers,
David

[Evbo]

Arko Shave Stick
Art of Shaving (lavender, lemon, sandalwood, unscented)
Cella, soft soap (almond)
Czech & Speake (88, Oxford & Cambridge)
D.R. Harris (almond, lavender, arlington, marlborough)
Haslinger (marigold, sage, seaweed, honey, aloe vera, sandalwood)
Irisch Moos Shave Stick (Sir Irisch Moos)
Mitchell's Wool Fat
My Time Bath and Body, shaving cream, not soap (menthol only?)
Olivia Seife (19 flavors of soft soap + Crema Sapone Cella moldable soap in almond only)
P.160 (Tipo Duro soft soap & Tipo Morbido softer soap, both in almond only)
Palmolive Shave Stick
Prairie Creations (over 30 flavors)
Spieck Shave Stick
Tabac
The Gentlemen's Quarter (shaving creams only, not soaps)
Valobra Shave Stick
Williams Mug Soap
Wilkinson Sword Stick

[professorchaos]

Then they should be the 3 ts. (pronounced teases)

:lol: You've got that right!

[fourtotheflush]

Now rate them?

[SiBurning]

Now rate them?
Not thinking too hard about this...
Czech & Speake
Art of Shaving
Valobra Shave Stick
Mitchell's Wool Fat
-- a few non-tallows go here
Irisch Moos Shave Stick
Tabac
Prairie Creations
Speick Shave Stick
-- a few non-tallows go here
D.R. Harris
-- a few non-tallows go here
P.160 Duro
-- a few others go here
-- this is like falling off a cliff
Williams Mug Soap
-- a few others go here, including one of the ts

Never tried these:
Arko Shave Stick
Cella, soft soap
The Gentlemen's Quarter shaving cream -- I gave these away thinking they were just crappy creams
Haslinger
My Time Bath and Body shaving cream -- had some, but never tried it, the menthol was too much.
Olivia Seife
Palmolive Shave Stick
Wilkinson Sword Stick

By the way, should we bother listing kent separately?

[xgunterx]

Monsavon

[ctakim]

What's the criteria for inclusion here? New formulation Penhaligon's have tallow but just as the fifth ingredient, not the first.

[Dink]

What's the criteria for inclusion here? New formulation Penhaligon's have tallow but just as the fifth ingredient, not the first.

Aren't the new Pen's all veggie based?

Cheers,
David

[SiBurning]

What's the criteria for inclusion here? New formulation Penhaligon's have tallow but just as the fifth ingredient, not the first.


Aren't the new Pen's all veggie based?

Cheers,
David
Right and right. The tallow fifth reformulation was reformulated again in Q4 2009 and the new one has no tallow at all.

No tallow, no inclusion.

[SiBurning]

I can't verify the following still have tallow
Haslinger -- looks like these are now all vegetable
Monsavon -- was this also reformulated?
Wilkinson Sword stick -- I just can't find a current ingredient list

Meanwhile I updated the wiki page for tallow based soaps (http://wiki.badgerandblade.com/index.php/List_of_Tallow_Based_Soaps) with the others.

[ctakim]

Right and right. The tallow fifth reformulation was reformulated again in Q4 2009 and the new one has no tallow at all.

No tallow, no inclusion.

That clarifies things quite at bit for me. I have compared the performance of tallow first EF with tallow fifth BB and they are very close. But I've not tried the completely new tallowless version of either (and I'm not sure I want to).

But I am pissed that I did not stock up on BB with tallow as back up. I have one reserve EF soap, but if I had known I'd have done the same for BB!!!:sad:

[ctakim]

So this soap is a goner, too. Sad, very sad...

[Dink]

I can't verify the following still have tallow
Haslinger -- looks like these are now all vegetable
Monsavon -- was this also reformulated?
Wilkinson Sword stick -- I just can't find a current ingredient list

Meanwhile I updated the wiki page for tallow based soaps (http://wiki.badgerandblade.com/index.php/List_of_Tallow_Based_Soaps) with the others.

The Wilkinson stick list Potassium Tallowate as the third ingredient and Sodium Tallowate as the sixth. My recently acquired Monsavon has tallow in it. In the wiki I think the statement about Harris soaps is a bit misleading, my Arlington stick lists Sodium Tallowate as the second ingredient, in Tabac tallow is the third ingredient.

Cheers,
David

[BroJohn]

Wilkinson ingredients:

Potassium Sterate, Sodium Sterate, Potassium Tallowate, Aqua, Sodium Tallowate, Glycerin, Sodium Cocoate, Parfum, Lanolin, Potassium Hydroxide, TetraSodium EDTA, Tetrasodium Etidronate, Sodium Hydroxide, Alpha-Isomethyl Lanone, Benzyl Salicylate, Citronellol, Geraniol, Hydroxycitronellol, Hydroxyisohexyl 3-Cyclohexene Carboxaldehyde, Limonene, linalool, CI 51319, CI 74160, CI 77891.

HTH.

-- John Gehman

[SiBurning]

The Wilkinson stick list Potassium Tallowate as the third ingredient and Sodium Tallowate as the sixth. My recently acquired Monsavon has tallow in it. In the wiki I think the statement about Harris soaps is a bit misleading, my Arlington stick lists Sodium Tallowate as the second ingredient, in Tabac tallow is the third ingredient.

Cheers,
David
I added Wilkinson and Monsavon to the tallow based soaps wiki page (http://wiki.badgerandblade.com/index.php/List_of_Tallow_Based_Soaps). That still leaves Haslinger, which is now proclaiming their products are all vegetables. The Harris entry seems correct to me, even if it might be phrased better, so I won't touch it.

[TaJ]

to know if a soap has tallow as an ingredient, does 'tallow' need to be mentioned in the list of ingredients? I'm asking because as i understand different acids can be made from tallow. For instance stearic acid can be made, for instance, from tallow, coconut oil and palm oil (and other sources).

So what if some acids which can be made from tallow are listed on a shaving soap? How do we know where it does come from? :confused1

Cheers, Tom.

[SiBurning]

to know if a soap has tallow as an ingredient, does 'tallow' need to be mentioned in the list of ingredients? I'm asking because as i understand different acids can be made from tallow. For instance stearic acid can be made, for instance, from tallow, coconut oil and palm oil (and other sources).

So what if some acids which can be made from tallow are listed on a shaving soap? How do we know where it does come from? :confused1

Cheers, Tom.

Maybe we should do a tallow vs. stearic acid showdown.

[TaJ]

Tallow is composed of (mostly?) fatty acids it seems, Stearic acid being one of them. Looked that up in wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tallow

So Tallow vs. Stearic acid is like a Martial Arts fighter vs. his own fist. :001_tt2:

When tallow is mentioned in the list of ingredients, in what form is it being put in the soap? Could it be that what's in 'tallow-based' soap is stuff being extracted from tallow (read: some of the fatty acids)?

Cheers, Tom.

[TaJ]

Anyone? What defines a tallow based soap. What is it i don't know, or what am i missing?

Cheers, Tom.

[SiBurning]

Anyone? What defines a tallow based soap. What is it i don't know, or what am i missing?

Cheers, Tom.
I don't think you're missing anything. The real point is to find soaps you like, however you define like. Putting labels on it might make it easier to group things, but things aren't so simple that you can just pick a label and like everything with the label and/or dislike everything without the label.

For me, it's anything that has the word tallow inside some bigger word. Four out of every five soaps I like mention tallow, while most of the ones I don't like don't mention it. A lot of soaps have stearic acid, but I haven't noticed that I prefer those soaps, although I haven't looked hard.

[TaJ]

Steve, we agree, there usually is no black and white. I just try to understand what is and is not a tallow based soap (to be able to know what is being talked about here). What i found out is that certain soaps are labeled differently to others. Some, for instance the QED i just received as goodie in a deal of a brush lists the ingredients broadly (for instance as 'palm'), whereas on other soaps 'palmitic acid' is listed. Maybe both mean the same source, but palmitic acid could be extracted from tallow as well. What i mean is, i myself am not able to know what really has been used.

But then, of course you're right, what counts is how it works for us. I guess i'll have to try out some of the soaps with 'tallow' in the list of ingredients to see if i like them or not. :001_smile

Cheers, Tom.