Alabama wins

[NorthALABeeKeep]

As Steely Dan once sang in a song.....They have a name for the winners in the world......They call ALABAMA the CRIMSON TIDE!!!!! Great game!! I wish I had some GOOD BBQ to celebrate!:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

[jadam318]

Ah, yes! 'Bama pulled it out. Too bad Texas fans are going to blame that on Colt McCoy's absence....:rolleyes:

[Mr. Igg]

Ah, yes! 'Bama pulled it out. Too bad Texas fans are going to blame that on Colt McCoy's absence....:rolleyes:

Great game, and congrats to 'Bama.

I've gotta ask though: In your opinion, Colt McCoy's injury seriously wasn't a factor?

--OU fan

[Mr. Igg]

PS: I'm a bit disturbed by this quote, which I hope is somehow out of context:

""That was great because it was a great change in momentum and really made the game a different game," Saban said at halftime. "It was a great hit on Colt McCoy. He's a great player, and it sort of made them change their offense."

For some reason, that strikes me as endorsing hits that injure players?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/ncaa/01/07/bcs.championship.game/index.html?eref=sihp#ixzz0bzsYUjOa

[jadam318]

Great game, and congrats to 'Bama.

I've gotta ask though: In your opinion, Colt McCoy's injury seriously wasn't a factor?

--OU fan

I'm sure it was, and I would have preferred to watch 'Bama beat Texas with Colt McCoy. However, McElroy took way more hits than McCoy did and played the whole game. Toughness is a part of the game, and I hate for a team to blame their loss on any one player. After McCoy came out, Texas receivers dropped something like 4 or 5 straight passes that hit them in the hands. Football is a team sport, and the backup QB is a part of the team.

That being said, that young kid played a terrific game after he settled down. I hope he feels good about his performance.


PS: I'm a bit disturbed by this quote, which I hope is somehow out of context:

""That was great because it was a great change in momentum and really made the game a different game," Saban said at halftime. "It was a great hit on Colt McCoy. He's a great player, and it sort of made them change their offense."

For some reason, that strikes me as endorsing hits that injure players?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/ncaa/01/07/bcs.championship.game/index.html?eref=sihp#ixzz0bzsYUjOa

This I don't know about. I do know that it was a good, clean hit. I heard Saban say after the game, being interviewed by an ESPN anchor, that he hated that McCoy had to come out of the game. That seems contradictory to the quote you have there, so I hope that what I heard is the accurate response.

[TimmyBoston]

Congrats to Alabama, it's too bad their victory will always be tainted by the absense of Colt McCoy. I hope the kid will make a full recovery, it'd be shame to see his career ended before it could really begin.

[Mr. Igg]

I'm sure it was, and I would have preferred to watch 'Bama beat Texas with Colt McCoy. However, McElroy took way more hits than McCoy did and played the whole game. Toughness is a part of the game, and I hate for a team to blame their loss on any one player. After McCoy came out, Texas receivers dropped something like 4 or 5 straight passes that hit them in the hands. Football is a team sport, and the backup QB is a part of the team.

That being said, that young kid played a terrific game after he settled down. I hope he feels good about his performance.

Yup, the TX receivers (exception: Shipley) sure didn't help the cause. (At all.)

Double yup, there's a Freshman who should wake up, watch some film, and feel pretty good about himself.


This I don't know about. I do know that it was a good, clean hit. I heard Saban say after the game, being interviewed by an ESPN anchor, that he hated that McCoy had to come out of the game. That seems contradictory to the quote you have there, so I hope that what I heard is the accurate response.

I was shocked to see that quote on CNNSI's homepage story. I agree: it was a good clean hit, and it's a shame it resulted in a knock out. I truly do hope there's something out of context here...

[Obsessed]

McElroy took way more hits than McCoy did and played the whole game. Toughness is a part of the game, and I hate for a team to blame their loss on any one player. After McCoy came out, Texas receivers dropped something like 4 or 5 straight passes that hit them in the hands. Football is a team sport, and the backup QB is a part of the team.

I really don't think toughness has anything to do with it. McCoy had an injury that physically prevented him from using his arm. I mean, if one player takes fifty hits and plays, and another takes one hit that happens to break his leg, it's not really fair to claim that the guy who took fifty hits is somehow tougher.

I agree with your larger point, however. Injuries are part of the game, and the rest of the team has to pick up the slack if they happen.

[Mr. Igg]

Congrats to Alabama, it's too bad their victory will always be tainted by the absense of Colt McCoy. I hope the kid will make a full recovery, it'd be shame to see his career ended before it could really begin.

Yep. Well said.

[spanx]

I'm in big 12 country so I was rooting for Texas, but when he went out my hopes sank.Imagine my excitement after they scored 15 unanswered points.Too bad they lost their momentum to Alabama.great job tide, congratulations on winning the championship.

[jadam318]

I really don't think toughness has anything to do with it. McCoy had an injury that physically prevented him from using his arm. I mean, if one player takes fifty hits and plays, and another takes one hit that happens to break his leg, it's not really fair to claim that the guy who took fifty hits is somehow tougher.


I think we may have different definitions of the word "tough"....

[spanx]

I think we may have different definitions of the word "tough"....

Don't worry it's ok to suggest a player is a sissy cause he got injured while another didn't.As long as it makes you feel good inside.otherwise it is a waste to say it.

[Mr_Amazing]

Nobody blames Miami's loss to Ohio State on the fact that Willis McGahee's knee exploded and he couldn't continue playing.

I think you have to give credit where it's due. Alabama played well enough to win. Texas really did a good job coming back to get within 3 near the end there. The only question I have is in regards to the end of the game. Alabama had the ball and instead of run out the clock, they scored another touchdown. Running up the score or no? I'll admit I wasn't paying too much attention to the game at that point.

[Euclid]

The only question I have is in regards to the end of the game. Alabama had the ball and instead of run out the clock, they scored another touchdown. Running up the score or no? I'll admit I wasn't paying too much attention to the game at that point.

Nah, it wasn't running the score up. Ive never really liked that term, I understand its considered unsporting but, if I cant stop you its not your fault your whipping me like a rented mule. Actually if they didn't try to score at every opportunity bama's offense would probably got their ass chewed on for a bit by their coach after the game, i know we would have regardless of the score. If you have your foot on their windpipe the only way they can get up is if you let them so don't let em.

As for colt, it sounds like he got a hell of a stinger in his shoulder. Turns whatever body part the stinger is in into jelly. Cant throw a ball with an arm made out of smuckers.

[sandmountainslim]

Ah, yes! 'Bama pulled it out. Too bad Texas fans are going to blame that on Colt McCoy's absence....:rolleyes:

They can blame it on polar caps and politics in El Salvador for all I care :thumbup: A win is a win!

Roll Tide!

Good to see someone remember Steely Dan's GOOD song rather than that moronic Trace Adkins tripe.
Wp

[Swampfox]

I again extend my congratualtions to Alabama for another national title, an undefeated season, and for giving the SEC another great year!

[FreezerBurns]

This game was the first I'd seen either team play all year. It was a good game to watch, both teams are great. I think I was most impressed by Shipley, that fellow is one helluva football player.

Congrats to Alabama on the win :thumbup1:

[tg16]

I'm sure it was, and I would have preferred to watch 'Bama beat Texas with Colt McCoy. However, McElroy took way more hits than McCoy did and played the whole game. Toughness is a part of the game, and I hate for a team to blame their loss on any one player. After McCoy came out, Texas receivers dropped something like 4 or 5 straight passes that hit them in the hands. Football is a team sport, and the backup QB is a part of the team.

That being said, that young kid played a terrific game after he settled down. I hope he feels good about his performance.



This I don't know about. I do know that it was a good, clean hit. I heard Saban say after the game, being interviewed by an ESPN anchor, that he hated that McCoy had to come out of the game. That seems contradictory to the quote you have there, so I hope that what I heard is the accurate response.

He was probably referring to the play when he talked about the "hit" earlier.

[KarthVader]

All I have to say is Roll Tide Roll!

Besides McCoy exiting the game early, this game was tremendous. I was thoroughly impressed by Shipley on the Texas squad and Ingram on the Alabama squad; two athletes we will definitely see playing on Sunday or Monday in the future.

[soapbox]

Ah, yes! 'Bama pulled it out. Too bad Texas fans are going to blame that on Colt McCoy's absence....:rolleyes:


Great game, and congrats to 'Bama.

I've gotta ask though: In your opinion, Colt McCoy's injury seriously wasn't a factor?

--OU fan

It might have been a factor, yes, though we will never know. However, injuries happen, and I don't think Texas fans would want to add an asterisk to (or give back) their victory in this year's Red River Shootout because of Sam Bradford's injury.

[gollum83]

PS: I'm a bit disturbed by this quote, which I hope is somehow out of context:

""That was great because it was a great change in momentum and really made the game a different game," Saban said at halftime. "It was a great hit on Colt McCoy. He's a great player, and it sort of made them change their offense."

For some reason, that strikes me as endorsing hits that injure players?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/ncaa/01/07/bcs.championship.game/index.html?eref=sihp#ixzz0bzsYUjOa

I hope not, but he has a point. It did change the momentum of the game, although I personally wouldn't have said it was great because when is it ever great that a player gets injured? Regardless of what he exactly meant, Texas was looking pretty darn good there up until that hit. I don't think anyone could tell you for sure if that hit on Colt McCoy cost Texas the game, but I think the game would have been a little closer. Still, all things considered it was a darn good game.


I'm sure it was, and I would have preferred to watch 'Bama beat Texas with Colt McCoy. However, McElroy took way more hits than McCoy did and played the whole game. Toughness is a part of the game, and I hate for a team to blame their loss on any one player. After McCoy came out, Texas receivers dropped something like 4 or 5 straight passes that hit them in the hands. Football is a team sport, and the backup QB is a part of the team.

That being said, that young kid played a terrific game after he settled down. I hope he feels good about his performance.

Adam, it's not about who takes the most hits. Sure taking hits is part of the game, but if a player get hit just the right way that it cause an injury doesn't make that player any more or less tough. If anything it is just unfortunate.

[Argonaut]

It might have been a factor, yes, though we will never know. However, injuries happen, and I don't think Texas fans would want to add an asterisk to (or give back) their victory in this year's Red River Shootout because of Sam Bradford's injury.

Bingo! OU lost 4 games by less than 5 points without Bradford, including the texas game, sorry there's no consolation prize for best excuse. Unless mack brown declares themselves champions anyway like he did last year for the Big 12 conference. By the way I am a Sooner fan, and pulling for a rival to win a national championship is crazy, we have to recruit against those guys. Congratulations 'Bama, hard fought well played game, except for the first and third quarters.

[Mr. Clean]

No doubt I was pulling for Texas to win last night. But they didn't and life will go on. I'm not going to blame the loss on the loss of McCoy because as it has already been stated, the back-up QB Gilbert is on the team and in a physical game like football players can be injured. Would it have been a different game had McCoy played the entire game? Of course it would. Would the final results been different? Who knows and it is a mute point.

Questioning McCoy's toughness mental or physical is outrageous though. It appeared to be a fluke play as the hit didn't look to be that hard. As he has said his arm did not hurt (no pain) but rather it is a "dead/asleep" feeling. He could grip the ball and throw the ball (reportedly playing catch with his Dad to try to overcome the sensation, or lack thereof) but he had no power nor control of direction. This guy came back for his senior year of eligibility for the chance of this game, it is inconceivable to believe that he would not do everything and anything within his control to have returned to the game.

I thought Saban was very sportsman-like in his win and Brown was likewise in defeat. I thought McCoy's post game comments showed great maturity. That Dareus was as giddy as a school girl, I assumed it might be more than a bit shy.

[Protocol]

Colt McCoy going out was a bit of a heartbreaker, but, like others have mentioned, that 's part of the game. The fact that the Longhorns only had a true freshman with 23 snaps backing up someone who is graduating and entering the draft, however, tells me that Texas was outcoached and outprepared. Great teams find a way to win.

As my coworker mentioned, "which of the four Alabama offensive touchdowns do you think Colt McCoy would have prevented?". I get that the shovel pass interception was a fluke, but if you're the #1 ranked defense, you find a way to keep the other team out of the endzone.

Credit where it is due. Alabama won because they were the better team.

[jadam318]

Adam, it's not about who takes the most hits. Sure taking hits is part of the game, but if a player get hit just the right way that it cause an injury doesn't make that player any more or less tough. If anything it is just unfortunate.

But that is also part of the game, and a player that is less prone to injury has more of a chance to contribute.

Besides that, I still don't think it's fair to blame a loss on the absence of one player. It is a team sport.

Anyway, all I'm really saying is that I hate for McCoy's injury to add an asterisk to 'Bama's win. 'Bama played hard, and they earned their 14-0 season, their SEC title, and their BCS title. I know the game would have been different if McCoy had stayed in, but teams have to be prepared for that kind of stuff. Ingram missed nearly the entire 3rd quarter due to cramps or something, and 'Bama didn't miss a beat.

[Mr. Clean]

Colt McCoy going out was a bit of a heartbreaker, but, like others have mentioned, that 's part of the game. The fact that the Longhorns only had a true freshman with 23 snaps backing up someone who is graduating and entering the draft, however, tells me that Texas was outcoached and outprepared. Great teams find a way to win.

As my coworker mentioned, "which of the four Alabama offensive touchdowns do you think Colt McCoy would have prevented?". I get that the shovel pass interception was a fluke, but if you're the #1 ranked defense, you find a way to keep the other team out of the endzone.

Credit where it is due. Alabama won because they were the better team.
Have to disagree with you on being outcoached and outprepared. Had the tables been turned and McElroy went out, Alabama would have been in a similar pickle. Their back-up for the game was also a true freshman (McCarron) who wasn't their back-up on their depth chart (red-shirt freshman Jackson).

As for your co-worker...McCoy plays on the offensive side of the ball, so it would be the rare occasion that he would be called up to stop an offensive play by the opposing team. :biggrin1: But seriously, you have to consider that with McCoy in there might not have been 4 turnovers by interception which certainly aided Alabama's scoring opportunities.

[gollum83]

But that is also part of the game, and a player that is less prone to injury has more of a chance to contribute.

Besides that, I still don't think it's fair to blame a loss on the absence of one player. It is a team sport.

Anyway, all I'm really saying is that I hate for McCoy's injury to add an asterisk to 'Bama's win. 'Bama played hard, and they earned their 14-0 season, their SEC title, and their BCS title. I know the game would have been different if McCoy had stayed in, but teams have to be prepared for that kind of stuff. Ingram missed nearly the entire 3rd quarter due to cramps or something, and 'Bama didn't miss a beat.

Is part of the game? Sure. Players have been getting injured since football, well, has been football. But sometimes all it takes to get injured is getting hit in just the right way, if you understand what I'm trying to say.

Furthermore, I never said it diminished Alabama's win in anyway. Both teams played a great game and in the end Alabama was better.

[jadam318]

Furthermore, I never said it diminished Alabama's win in anyway. Both teams played a great game and in the end Alabama was better.

Take a look at what Mr. Clean said up there. That's what I'm talking about when I say "an asterisk".


Have to disagree with you on being outcoached and outprepared. Had the tables been turned and McElroy went out, Alabama would have been in a similar pickle. Their back-up for the game was also a true freshman (McCarron) who wasn't their back-up on their depth chart (red-shirt freshman Jackson).

As for your co-worker...McCoy plays on the offensive side of the ball, so it would be the rare occasion that he would be called up to stop an offensive play by the opposing team. :biggrin1: But seriously, you have to consider that with McCoy in there might not have been 4 turnovers by interception which certainly aided Alabama's scoring opportunities.

The fact is, the tables weren't turned. Perhaps McElroy was better conditioned and less prone to injury, or perhaps 'Bama was just 'lucky'. Maybe even 'Bama would have been better prepared should their starting QB have come out of the game. Maybe Texas shouldn't have bet the farm on Colt McCoy, and maybe their receivers should have been prepared mentally to catch a ball from someone other than McCoy. How many dropped passes were there in the second quarter?

I just don't think anyone should put all the "ifs" on McCoy's absence.

Let's also not forget that 'Bama's star player (Ingram) did miss a lot of the game due to hamstring cramps. That didn't seem to affect 'Bama's game at all, so yeah. I'd say they were better prepared.

[Mr. Clean]

But that is also part of the game, and a player that is less prone to injury has more of a chance to contribute.

Besides that, I still don't think it's fair to blame a loss on the absence of one player. It is a team sport.

Anyway, all I'm really saying is that I hate for McCoy's injury to add an asterisk to 'Bama's win. 'Bama played hard, and they earned their 14-0 season, their SEC title, and their BCS title. I know the game would have been different if McCoy had stayed in, but teams have to be prepared for that kind of stuff. Ingram missed nearly the entire 3rd quarter due to cramps or something, and 'Bama didn't miss a beat.
Come on now, you don't set the career wins record at UT and most career wins in major college football by a starting QB by being injury prone. :confused1

[Mr. Clean]

Take a look at what Mr. Clean said up there. That's what I'm talking about when I say "an asterisk".



The fact is, the tables weren't turned. Perhaps McElroy was better conditioned and less prone to injury, or perhaps 'Bama was just 'lucky'. Maybe even 'Bama would have been better prepared should their starting QB have come out of the game. Maybe Texas shouldn't have bet the farm on Colt McCoy, and maybe their receivers should have been prepared mentally to catch a ball from someone other than McCoy. How many dropped passes were there in the second quarter?

I just don't think anyone should put all the "ifs" on McCoy's absence.

Let's also not forget that 'Bama's star player (Ingram) did miss a lot of the game due to hamstring cramps. That didn't seem to affect 'Bama's game at all, so yeah. I'd say they were better prepared.

What did I say that would lead anyone to believe that I thought this game deserved an asterisk?

As far as tables being turned comment, I was debating Protocol's comment that Texas was outcoached and outprepared because they had a freshman backup QB when in fact Alabama was in the same situation.

I don't know what you mean by Texas shouldn't have bet the farm on McCoy??? He was their starting QB for 4 seasons, what else do you do? Pull him and start someone else?

[jadam318]

Come on now, you don't set the career wins record at UT and most career wins in major college football by a starting QB by being injury prone. :confused1

I never said McCoy was injury prone. I was just suggesting that perhaps McElroy was less so in this game. McElroy got sacked 4 or 5 times in the first quarter and never even got up slow. I'm just sayin'.....

[gollum83]

I never said McCoy was injury prone. I was just suggesting that perhaps McElroy was less so in this game. McElroy got sacked 4 or 5 times in the first quarter and never even got up slow. I'm just sayin'.....

Yeah, but you're saying this about a guy that doesn't miss games. If you ask me, your assertion that McCoy isn't tough is unfounded.

[soapbox]

Dad just emailed me this from today's paper:

[jadam318]

Yeah, but you're saying this about a guy that doesn't miss games. If you ask me, your assertion that McCoy isn't tough is unfounded.

Bottom line: a routine hit put him out of the game, and the rest of the team wasn't prepared to deal with it.

[Mr_Amazing]

Bottom line: a routine hit put him out of the game, and the rest of the team wasn't prepared to deal with it.

Honestly, questioning a player's toughness because they got injured early in a game is ridiculous. It could have happened at any time during the season or any time during the game. By your logic, Ingram isn't tough because he got cramps, which aren't even caused by contact.

An injury can happen at any time. You don't need to be hit to twist your ankle or tear an ACL. Some of the most horrendous injuries (involving the neck/spine) have occurred on what appears to be a "routine" play. To justify a player's toughness based on the kind of hit they took is simply wrong.

In the case of McCoy, you have to look at the hit itself. He was hit with a helmet on the sweet spot of the upper arm. I think most people know about the area and how much it hurts to get hit there.

I agree that the win by Alabama shouldn't be diminished. Certainly, the Texas receivers didn't make plays they should have. That said, I think the game would have been much closer and Texas might have had a shot at winning had McCoy been able to play. Injuries are just part of the game.

[Bristlingbeardofodin]

Perhaps the Freshman QB for Texas should have had more snaps earlier in the season when Texas was playing weaker teams or clearly blowing teams out? Hard to say. Good game though.

[Swampfox]

Let's all face the facts. The real national championship game was played between Alabama and Florida.





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[jadam318]

By your logic, Ingram isn't tough because he got cramps, which aren't even caused by contact.

Agreed. Ingram could have adjusted his diet, water intake, pregame warm-ups, or something to prevent that. He didn't, so he missed a lot of the game because of it. Props to 'Bama and Ingram's backup for not losing it mentally when the trainers were checking him out on the sidelines.


An injury can happen at any time. You don't need to be hit to twist your ankle or tear an ACL. Some of the most horrendous injuries (involving the neck/spine) have occurred on what appears to be a "routine" play. To justify a player's toughness based on the kind of hit they took is simply wrong.

In the case of McCoy, you have to look at the hit itself. He was hit with a helmet on the sweet spot of the upper arm. I think most people know about the area and how much it hurts to get hit there.

So, am I wrong in thinking that a player can diminish the risk of injury through conditioning? Maybe McCoy would not have been injured if he had spent a little more time in the weight room.

If toughness has nothing to do with injury, then what is "toughness"?


I agree that the win by Alabama shouldn't be diminished. Certainly, the Texas receivers didn't make plays they should have. That said, I think the game would have been much closer and Texas might have had a shot at winning had McCoy been able to play. Injuries are just part of the game.

If you're saying that Texas had no shot at winning without McCoy, then you are diminishing Alabama's win. Furthermore, if injuries are part of the game, and everyone seems to agree that they are, then Texas should have been prepared for something like McCoy's injury. The fact is that they were not. If you want to say that Texas got beat because they weren't prepared for the necessary aspects of the game, I'm fine with that. What I'm uncomfortable with is saying that the absence of one player, when there are 10 others on the field and 11 others on the other side of the ball, caused their loss.

[jadam318]

Let's all face the facts. The real national championship game was played between Alabama and Florida.





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[Mr. Clean]

...So, am I wrong in thinking that a player can diminish the risk of injury through conditioning? Maybe McCoy would not have been injured if he had spent a little more time in the weight room.

If toughness has nothing to do with injury, then what is "toughness"?

...

It is unlikely that anyone questions the benefits of conditioning. But you seem intent on inferring that McCoy was out out of condition and injury prone. Facts point to the contrary, yet you continue.

His injury, as fluky as it was, still was evidently debilating enough that his return to the game would not have proved beneficial to the team. It had nothing to do with McCoy's toughness mental or physical. His want to could not change his can do.

[spanx]

Take a look at what Mr. Clean said up there. That's what I'm talking about when I say "an asterisk".



The fact is, the tables weren't turned. Perhaps McElroy was better conditioned and less prone to injury, or perhaps 'Bama was just 'lucky'. Maybe even 'Bama would have been better prepared should their starting QB have come out of the game. Maybe Texas shouldn't have bet the farm on Colt McCoy, and maybe their receivers should have been prepared mentally to catch a ball from someone other than McCoy. How many dropped passes were there in the second quarter?

I just don't think anyone should put all the "ifs" on McCoy's absence.

Let's also not forget that 'Bama's star player (Ingram) did miss a lot of the game due to hamstring cramps. That didn't seem to affect 'Bama's game at all, so yeah. I'd say they were better prepared.

How many yards and points did alabama get in the 3rd quarter?Ingram was out most of the quarter wasn't he?

[Mr_Amazing]

Agreed. Ingram could have adjusted his diet, water intake, pregame warm-ups, or something to prevent that. He didn't, so he missed a lot of the game because of it. Props to 'Bama and Ingram's backup for not losing it mentally when the trainers were checking him out on the sidelines.



So, am I wrong in thinking that a player can diminish the risk of injury through conditioning? Maybe McCoy would not have been injured if he had spent a little more time in the weight room.

If toughness has nothing to do with injury, then what is "toughness"?



If you're saying that Texas had no shot at winning without McCoy, then you are diminishing Alabama's win. Furthermore, if injuries are part of the game, and everyone seems to agree that they are, then Texas should have been prepared for something like McCoy's injury. The fact is that they were not. If you want to say that Texas got beat because they weren't prepared for the necessary aspects of the game, I'm fine with that. What I'm uncomfortable with is saying that the absence of one player, when there are 10 others on the field and 11 others on the other side of the ball, caused their loss.

I never said Texas had no shot without McCoy. I said they would have had a better shot with him. Though there are 11 players on the field, the most important player was hurt. Considering that McCoy has been starting for 4 years, the offense was tailored around his ability. Look at the team as a car. Each part is needed, but some parts work better than others. McCoy is a 400 horsepower v8 hemi. The backup is 125 horses of 4-banger power. The car isn't going to run the same way with the 4 cylinder engine as it would the original. That doesn't mean the car can't win a race without the original engine, but it won't be as fast to do it.

I agree Texas should have been prepared and if they didn't prepare for it, that falls on the coaches. Assuming that an injury can be prevented by simply "spending more time in the weight room" is false logic, however. The human body can only withstand so much stress in certain areas and no amount of weight lifting or fitness will prevent an injury from occurring. If McCoy puts on enough muscle to give him a 28" arm circumference, then gets hit in the same location previously stated, it won't matter because you can't strengthen that area.

http://www.greggvalentino.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=135&g2_serialNumber=1Here's a guy with enormous arms. Yet, as you can clearly see, there is an area that is physically impossible to strengthen on his upper arm just below the shoulder. Strength has nothing to do with toughness or the odds of getting injured. Some injuries are such that you cannot play with them. A running back or wide receiver likely can't play with an ACL tear. It doesn't mean they aren't tough, it simply means it is impossible to use their leg. In McCoy's case, he got a stinger in his throwing arm. The pain might have only lasted a minute or two, but the weakness associated with the injury prevents him from being able to lift his arm, bend his elbow, and grip anything. Those three things are critical to playing quarterback at any level.

The injury itself has no bearing on his toughness. That is my main disagreement.

[Mr. Clean]

How many yards and points did alabama get in the 3rd quarter?Ingram was out most of the quarter wasn't he?
Well it doesn't see that anyone wants to answer your question...I don't know how many yards Alabama gained during the 3rd Qtr, but points scored by Alabama...Zero, nil, nada.

But on that thought, that little freshman running back Richardson looked pretty good. Thunder and Lightning, I think Musburger referred to the pair.

[jadam318]

It is unlikely that anyone questions the benefits of conditioning. But you seem intent on inferring that McCoy was out out of condition and injury prone. Facts point to the contrary, yet you continue.

His injury, as fluky as it was, still was evidently debilating enough that his return to the game would not have proved beneficial to the team. It had nothing to do with McCoy's toughness mental or physical. His want to could not change his can do.

I never said McCoy wasn't tough or that he was out of shape. I'm saying he wasn't tough enough to stay in the game. Blame it on 'fluke', blame it on conditioning, blame it on whatever you want. I don't know anything about his conditioning. I was just suggesting that as a possibility. Look, I like Colt McCoy. I think he has a bright future playing football, and he plays the game hard.

Now, regardless of whether or not we agree on any of that, none of you can dispute that Texas was not prepared to deal with the absence of Colt McCoy. And we've already agreed that injuries are a part of the sport. That means that Texas, as a team, was not prepared for what transpired in this game.



I agree Texas should have been prepared and if they didn't prepare for it, that falls on the coaches. Assuming that an injury can be prevented by simply "spending more time in the weight room" is false logic, however. The human body can only withstand so much stress in certain areas and no amount of weight lifting or fitness will prevent an injury from occurring. If McCoy puts on enough muscle to give him a 28" arm circumference, then gets hit in the same location previously stated, it won't matter because you can't strengthen that area.

Just so we're clear, I know that spending more time in the weight room isn't the answer for every injury. I was just suggesting that it helps. And like I said earlier, that may have had nothing to do with McCoy's injury. I understand that. It's just a possibility.


The injury itself has no bearing on his toughness. That is my main disagreement.

That's why I asked earlier what y'all consider "toughness". I think maybe that's where we are all disagreeing. To me, someone who is tough (pertaining to football, anyway) is a player who can be physical, take hits, avoid injury, and stay in the game. And again, I'm not necessarily saying McCoy's not tough at all. I'm just saying that he wasn't tough enough to take that one hit. Maybe nobody is. Then again, maybe no other team in the nation is capable of administering so hard a hit.

Do you see what I'm saying?




Let me also throw this out here for all of us. None of this is intended as a personal attack on any of you or any player, team, coach, whatever we're talking about. The only thing I love as much as I love football is arguing football. Don't take my persistence with this as belligerence. I'm genuinely enjoying the discussion. It is impossible to portray voice inflection and other nonverbal communication via this outlet, so I just wanted to point this out before a die hard fan gets offended or something. This is just gentlemanly discussion on my part. (My voice isn't raised. :wink:)

Furthermore, I feel that both Texas and Alabama deserved to be in this game. They both had seasons they should be proud of, and we couldn't have asked for a more evenly matched title game. I really do wish McCoy wouldn't have been injured and we could have seen the exact offense that won them the Big 12 play against 'Bama for 4 quarters.

[jadam318]

How many yards and points did alabama get in the 3rd quarter? Ingram was out most of the quarter wasn't he?

Enough to win. :biggrin:

[perry]

The scoreboard is what will be remembered.

I'm happy that the Crimson Tide won. We had a picture of the Bear hanging on our wall when I grew up. I was raised to root for Alabama football because dad went to grad school there. Dad would like to know that the Crimson Tide has won again :001_smile

[spanx]

Enough to win. :biggrin:

Yep there was enough to win.All 3 of them.I was trying to argue that Ingrams injury had an impact on Alabama as well as McCoy had on Texas.The two injuries cancelled each other out pretty much cause just from a yardage standpoint it was pretty even.Texas avg yds per game was 432.this game was 276.Alabama avg yds per game was 413.this game was 263.So it does have an impact when a key player gets injured no matter which team it is.

[FLTiger]

It is a shame that McCoy was knocked out of the game in such a freakish way. He's a heck of a competitor, and he certainly didn't deserve to watch most of the game from the sidelines.

While I am not an Alabama fan (my heart belongs to the "cow college" on the Plains), I'm glad they won. Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer, savor your victory, we'll get you next year. :001_smile