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bluefoxicy
11-16-2009, 07:59 AM
So I hang out here friday and saturday nights, from open (I'm first in the door) to close (they kick me out sometimes).

http://www.angelsrockbarbaltimore.com/

While here I've seen:


People with holes in their head (literally)
Green hair, mohawks, double mohawks, spikes, etc
Heavy metal T-shirts
Shirtless DJ (Dr. Feelgood with the double-mohawk), bargirls with high-cut whatever the hell they're wearing on their ass
T-shirt and jeans crowd
Leather jackets
Racing-style leather jackets (black with the red stripe up the arm and over the back)
Business casual (khakis, collar shirt)
US Navy, dress uniform, with rank medal
Businessmen in full suits


Okay, I'm not getting my face pierced, I'm not dying my hair green, I'm not getting a mohawk. I'm not showing up in a friggin' suit either. I tend to go just below business casual... Jeans or khakis and a t-shirt. I've worn a Mario shirt, a Donkey Kong shirt, and a shirt that says "I don't work here" on it.

I wear these when out:

http://www.shoebuy.com/pi/newba/newba289802_9742_lg.jpg

I have walking shoes, smooth black leather:

http://cache-images.pronto.com/thumb2.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.pronto.com%2Fim ages%2Fproduction%2Fproducts%2F2e%2Fc7%2Fwissb9240 9359f60766dd452c86b5e68-1255419114_290x290.jpg&wmax=200&hmax=200&quality=80&bgcol=FFFFFF

However, the running shoes actually let me run faster (I can walk fast with the walking shoes, and then if I run I can't break top walking speed; with the running shoes... yeah, fast). I use these to get around downtown; I park a few blocks away, I run to where I'm going.

I'm thinking I'll accessorize with a Braithwaite Orpheus wallet (http://www.braithwaitewallets.com/wallets/9-orpheus), maybe wear something nicer to go with it.

The thing is I don't want to look "dressed up," I want to stay around "casual" when I'm out. I'm not sure if there's something more effective to give me a better image... I mean what can I do? Straight razor shave, some decent cologne, Land's End jeans and Land's end t-shirt, no undershirt? I guess no belt; I'd rather stick with an untucked shirt...

See this is hard. I want to look "dressed down" and go out to have fun and be very not-professional (hence no tucked shirt or whatever and no business-casual); but I want to look decent, like someone that isn't pretending he doesn't need his mommy to dress him.

Heh. A college kid trying for a look of distinction in a no-tucked-shirt, no-collar environment. Maybe the goal I'm trying to achieve doesn't exist. Then again, maybe some decent non-walmart clothes would stand out themselves; I know my Land's End khakis are the same thing as the Walmart ones, but they've got much cleaner lines and much better quality fabric and visibly people notice I'm wearing much nicer clothes.

thebikingengineer
11-16-2009, 09:13 AM
www.magnificentbastard.com

This guy knows what he's talking about. Whatever clothing you go for, get it tailored. Clothes that fit look better than clothes that don't fit.

bluefoxicy
11-16-2009, 04:43 PM
www.magnificentbastard.com

This guy knows what he's talking about. Whatever clothing you go for, get it tailored. Clothes that fit look better than clothes that don't fit.

Everything on that site looks like a joke o_O

Although yeah, the running shoes I have are wtf. Notice my other shoes.....

leighton
11-16-2009, 11:35 PM
I could be completely wrong about this, but I think shoes are a keystone of any wardrobe. Wear some nice ones and people seem to notice.

Of course, that may be because during the hot months I wear birkenstocks to classes, and after finding Last Chance I'm wearing swanky loafers sold at Nordstroms.

KarthVader
11-17-2009, 12:16 AM
As much as I believe that a person's personality is paramount, the clothes can make the man.

First, are you comfortable in your own skin and clothes?

Unfortunately, you seem like that you aren't necessarily comfortable in your clothes while at the bar and you are looking for a look that says, "I'm not a bum; I care about how I look, but I don't want to look like I tried hard."

Am I right?

With clothing, I have found that it all depends on how you carry yourself. Can you project confidence and that the clothing you are wearing belongs on you? That is key.

I can understand not wanting to wear anything biz casual, because, as you stated, you're a student. But that shouldn't stop you. When I was in college, I would experiment with clothing every weekend night I went out:

1. A witty t-shirt, dark wash jeans, street shoes (Pumas, Adidas, etc).

2. If I go to a more trendy bar: Blazer or Sport coat, button up shirt (tucked in or untucked depending on the length of the shirt), dark wash jeans and either oxford (brown or black - match your belt) shoes or street shoes.

3. The extreme: I like layering clothing, especially when it's cold out. This past weekend my outfit was as such:

White, herringbone dress shirt, with a argyle, v-neck sweater vest over it (navy blue, gray and burgundy colors), navy blue blazer with grey pencil pinstripes. Dark wash jeans and white Adidas Sambas. To top it off, I rocked a white pocket square.

I enjoy a little sophistication in my life. So, when I dress like this, I am showing a bit of my personality. I really dig some classic looks, because, they are classic and will never go out of style.

Now, I will admit I can go a bit over board in my clothing options. The most important thing is to be comfortable in your clothing. Exude confidence. The way you move and interact in your clothing with friends at the bar should not limit you but it should augment you.

If you are comfortable in a t-shirt, jeans/khakis and cross trainers, then by all means keep doing what your doing. The bar you frequent seems like a different mix of clothing styles that borders on the trendy, but is not quite there. I think you could really get away with anything.

If you are trying to impress some certain female(s) at the bar, you might need to step your game in the clothing detail. But don't go spending an arm and a leg at Express Men trying to look trendy. Always shop around for sales and discounts.

Read through this blog; he has some great clothes at a discount price.
An Affordable Wardrobe (http://anaffordablewardrobe.blogspot.com)

I hope I made some sort of sense. Experiment with different clothing options. Good luck!

thebikingengineer
11-17-2009, 03:22 AM
Everything on that site looks like a joke o_O

Although yeah, the running shoes I have are wtf. Notice my other shoes.....

Yeah, a lot of it is presented as a joke, but the guy lays down some rules in those jokes that, when followed, make you look very well-put together. His rule about no running shoes unless you're running is a good one, it's a good way to stand out as women really do notice your shoes quickly.

I think KarthVader is spot on with his suggestions. There are a few levels of dressed up to chooses from. I also follow the blog he linked, though many of the looks you'll find there are probably a bit more British Country-looking than you'll probably want at first. It's a good look, but requires some prior planning and wardrobe building.

For better suggestions, if you don't mind me asking, would you say you are skinny, normal, large, etc?

Protocol
11-17-2009, 04:16 AM
I could be completely wrong about this, but I think shoes are a keystone of any wardrobe. Wear some nice ones and people seem to notice.

Of course, that may be because during the hot months I wear birkenstocks to classes, and after finding Last Chance I'm wearing swanky loafers sold at Nordstroms.

Truth.

All too often, I witness people ruining a look with cheap or inappropriate shoes. If you're wearing a nice suit, make sure the shoes are of reasonable quality, are stylistically formal, and match the belt. It's really not complicated.

Also, never economize on what you put on your feet or your face. Just as shaving products can profoundly affect the skin that leaves a powerful first impression, there is no other item of clothing that can so profoundly affect your health (and appearance) as your shoes.

As I've harped on in other threads, always start with a closet of basics. Every man should have a pair of simple black captoes and brown loafers (and belts to match). If you've got a closet full of varying pseudo-athletic-fashion shoes or more than one pair of "trail runners" when you don't trail run, you're doing it wrong. Get the basics and look like a grown up first.

bluefoxicy
11-17-2009, 04:19 AM
For better suggestions, if you don't mind me asking, would you say you are skinny, normal, large, etc?

skinny as hell. A little fat around the midsection but that's just "my abs aren't smooth and firm," I'm not bulging out.

Barbarian
11-17-2009, 04:34 AM
skinny as hell. A little fat around the midsection but that's just "my abs aren't smooth and firm," I'm not bulging out.

Just be yourself.

If you have to put that much thought into your 'look,' to the point that you seem uncomfortable, people will pick up on that vibe.

KarthVader
11-17-2009, 01:00 PM
skinny as hell. A little fat around the midsection but that's just "my abs aren't smooth and firm," I'm not bulging out.

Wow, I wish I had your body structure. I have a barrel chest and super broad shoulders, all on a 5' 8" frame. I look like a Neanderthal. You can really do whatever you want. You're slim, so a fitted look can do wonders.

Barbarian is on the money. Like I said before, if you feel uncomfortable and are wearing something that you aren't comfortable in, you will give of an uncomfortable vibe and definitely look like you're trying to hard.

By the way, if you are interested, Van Heusen outlet stores are having a sale. I redid my winter wardrobe for about $100. It's worth a look if you have a Van Heusen near you.

Is the bar you frequent in the Power Plant bar area?

mmack66
11-17-2009, 01:11 PM
Maybe staying away from the high school t-shirts would be a good start.

bluefoxicy
11-17-2009, 01:36 PM
Is the bar you frequent in the Power Plant bar area?

yeah, it's Angel's Rock Bar.

philamac
11-17-2009, 01:41 PM
I'm thinking I'll accessorize with a Braithwaite Orpheus wallet (http://www.braithwaitewallets.com/wallets/9-orpheus), maybe wear something nicer to go with it.

The thing is I don't want to look "dressed up," I want to stay around "casual" when I'm out. I'm not sure if there's something more effective to give me a better image... I mean what can I do? Straight razor shave, some decent cologne, Land's End jeans and Land's end t-shirt, no undershirt? I guess no belt; I'd rather stick with an untucked shirt...

See this is hard. I want to look "dressed down" and go out to have fun and be very not-professional (hence no tucked shirt or whatever and no business-casual); but I want to look decent, like someone that isn't pretending he doesn't need his mommy to dress him.



If it is a relaxed, fun bar then if you overthink your clothes you might stand out a bit. It sounds like a fun place, and it looks like the sort of place where what you wear is not as important as it might be in other bars with a more poser type clientele. No one will be that interested in how you dress, so you can take it easy and have fun with your clothes.

Do what you like to do, you mention a straight shave but no one but you will know thats how you shaved, which is why I thought you were overthinking this.

KarthVader
11-17-2009, 02:54 PM
yeah, it's Angel's Rock Bar.

I'm usually in the Baltimore/DC area at least 3 times a year. I haven't been to this bar, but the Power Plant area is awesome!

leighton
11-17-2009, 03:54 PM
www.magnificentbastard.com

This guy knows what he's talking about. Whatever clothing you go for, get it tailored. Clothes that fit look better than clothes that don't fit.

After reading through most of their blog posts, I have concluded that this man or group of people definitely does know what he's talking about. It also seems that this look is exactly what your looking for. The "artful dishevelment" look.

For real "grown up" style, the ask andy forums seem to know their shit.

bluefoxicy
11-18-2009, 06:17 AM
If it is a relaxed, fun bar then if you overthink your clothes you might stand out a bit. It sounds like a fun place, and it looks like the sort of place where what you wear is not as important as it might be in other bars with a more poser type clientele. No one will be that interested in how you dress, so you can take it easy and have fun with your clothes.


Yeah that's what I'm going for though. I'm trying to fall into the same casual ranks I tend to stand in (that is, wal-mart t-shirt and wal-mart jeans or khakis); but maybe touch it up a bit with something a bit more streamlined. Like rather than driving a boring, beat-up, paint-fading sedan, I drive a boring, clean, waxed sedan.



Do what you like to do, you mention a straight shave but no one but you will know thats how you shaved, which is why I thought you were overthinking this.

I overthink my shave a lot these days. I made one with, two across, and one against with a 1904 replica open comb Merkur + feather blade last night. A glance in the mirror still showed a face of tiny black dots; and I could feel roughness against the grain. A better shave than most people I encounter in my daily life, I've recently taken notice of; but I want it smooth running my fingers against the grain.

I always shave. Like my clothes, I don't want to really change my look; I just want to upgrade it a bit. I think it shows something about you; it's also a good psychological boost to help me feel a bit more confident.


I'm usually in the Baltimore/DC area at least 3 times a year. I haven't been to this bar, but the Power Plant area is awesome!

It's on top. Nice place.


Hmmm....

http://www.landsend.com/pp/ShortSleeveTailoredFitSuperT~200182_-1.html?bcc=y&action=order_more&sku_0=::MXZ&CM_MERCH=IDX_00001__0000000008&origin=index ?

Dark denim...

http://www.landsend.com/pp/TraditionalHeavyweightDenimJeans~200988_-1.html?bcc=y&action=order_more&sku_0=::LID&CM_MERCH=IDX_00001__0000000023&origin=index

Hmm maybe. Price isn't bad either. Maybe I can find some nice riveted heavy Levis instead though....

Monkeydad
11-18-2009, 06:40 AM
Tip - don't buy this:

http://www.magnificentbastard.com/images/pics/bengals-fan.jpg

mmack66
11-18-2009, 07:04 AM
http://www.shanemhale.com/assets/blog/20091013_threewolf.jpg/threewolfmoon.jpg

scottish steve
11-18-2009, 07:26 AM
Hey Blue
As far as I can tell, you want to look good without looking like you've spent any money on clothes or giving any clue about what you do for a living. You want advice (and are spending a reasonable amount of time thinking about) how to look like you haven't spent a moment's thought on what you're wearing, but you want to just magically exude wonderfullness. I think you've succinctly defined the limits of what a wardrobe can do. I don't think you need fashion advice...... I think what you are wanting is more self-confidence and possibly a better job, woman in your life or something fulfilling. I am not trying to put you down. That kind of effortless cool whatever you wear is about the person, not the clothes...which is why I personally go for a pretty classic look a lot of the time. I know I don't have that, which is why I dress the way I know is going to "get me through" almost every social situation with reasonable confidence.

bluefoxicy
11-18-2009, 07:50 AM
Hey Blue
I think you've succinctly defined the limits of what a wardrobe can do. I don't think you need fashion advice...... I think what you are wanting is more self-confidence

I need that too. Hmm. Could be that the clothes are somewhat of a distraction, for better or worse; if I'm wearing something ridiculous or something I'm unsure of, I feel more vulnerable and unsure of myself. It could be something AWESOME, but I'm simply not sure how to portray myself if I'm in it; like if you put me in a black 2010 Camaro V8, I could drive that car (rather have an Audi S5...), but when I pull up at the bus stop next to a bunch of college girls I'm not going to have a damn clue how to look or act to make myself stand with the car, so I'll fidget and look nervous.

One thing I've considered is some people at the bar are amused at me fumbling to dance to Thriller (I can't dance in general, but I have some of THOSE moves memorized); I'd feel rather comfortable showing up in an orange leather jacket and some black polyester pants and pulling it off around halloween, because it's both in context for the season and easy for me to portray. It looks ridiculous and I'd feel dumb just wandering around like that, but I fit into it well in that situation.

On the other side, if I'm not worried about how I look, ... I don't have to worry about that, and I can feel better about myself.

Maybe you're onto something there.


http://www.shanemhale.com/assets/blog/20091013_threewolf.jpg/threewolfmoon.jpg

Holy crap I want that. I could totally wear that into Howl at the Moon!

dwnwrdishvnwrd
11-18-2009, 11:24 AM
I think what you are wanting is more self-confidence and possibly a better job, woman in your life or something fulfilling.
Now, are you saying that a better job and a woman are something that will be fulfilling? I'd have to politely disagree.

A happy, fulfilling life is something that starts within. There's no amount of money, clothing, women, shave products, etc. that can help achieve happiness. Do they help? Possibly, but only in a very small fashion. It all depends on what defines one's happiness. Lofty goals are great because achieving a goal is an awesome reward but to place those goals in the positions of being markers of happiness is unwise. What happens if you reach a goal and you're not suddenly happy? I've found that most people reach a goal, find they're not automatically happy, and then they descend into a even greater sense low self-worth only to set another goal that they think will bring happiness. The cycle starts over again and the unhappiness continues.

I will agree on the self-confidence. That is something that has always helped me out in life. I have no problem in that arena and it's noticeable. I feel comfortable in most any situation, with any group of people, in any situation because I know that everybody there is just a person. They're no different than anybody else at the most basic level. Bus stop full of college chicks? It's just a group of people waiting for the bus as far as I'm concerned. Club full of people that may be more fashionable than I am? I'm sorry but pretty and handsome are a dollar a pound and both are commodities that are in abundance so it's nothing to lust after.

Be confident in who you are and people will be confident in you as well. Be unsure of yourself as a person and it's noticeable. Be happy with you and there's nothing can take that away. I'm happy with who I am but I also know I can be better so I strive to be a better person. I use my view of a better person as my benchmark. We're our worst critics but we're also our greatest support group. How you use the criticism and support is up to you.

bluefoxicy
11-18-2009, 01:08 PM
Now, are you saying that a better job and a woman are something that will be fulfilling? I'd have to politely disagree.

A happy, fulfilling life is something that starts within. There's no amount of money, clothing, women, shave products, etc. that can help achieve happiness.

I have to agree with this whole thing. No amount of piles of women and work are going to make me happy. Although, the girls I do talk to do make my dismal life just a tad better... (these would be girls I'm not sleeping with; though I don't think that would make much if any difference).

I cannot find an all-encompassing method of existence.

My parents are complete and total losers, and I will probably spend my life fixing the damage they did. I didn't grow up with muscle cars, with anything exciting, they didn't even push me to learn any instruments. When I took interest, they tried to stop me; I mean deviation of any sort was so horrible that they did everything they could to stop me from learning to drive stick, I blew like $12000 in a year but I damn well got myself there against their resistance. They're catholic, that's pretty much it. School, dad went to the military for a few years, then marriage, ONE job, still have the same job from 30 years ago, avoided a promotion in order to stay stable. Day in, day out, same shit, waiting for retirement, still living in the world they were 30 years ago... complete, utter failure.

Despite their best efforts, I have no interest in having any kids (and I'm an only child). I've been in one relationship, that was early this year; I found I despise being attached in that way, to a violent degree. That whole situation is unmanageable. I specifically protect myself from getting raked into relationships.

I guess this leaves a gap... I go out, yeah, I like girls... but I'm not really heading out and bringing endless one-night-stands home. I don't have a particular philosophical issue with sex or multiple partners or whatever; I'm just not interested. I'll take a girl home after I get to know her, if she's interested, and only on explicit understanding of exactly what it is that's happening. If it doesn't happen... I don't really move on to the next girl, I just write them off as decent friends and keep talking to them, and things are good because they're nice girls and they smile and enjoy talking to me.

I look around me and wonder if this is completely dysfunctional. As a college-aged male I am obligated to lie, cheat, corrupt, drug (with copious amounts of alcohol), and pay girls to sleep with me. I just can't. I'm always honest, and I always want them to understand exactly who and what I am. I'm never comfortable alone with a girl I just met... I'm weird, I'll actually take a girl home just to cuddle (whoa, so much for "Art of Manliness"... but I don't care much about being "Manly" anyway, I have my fists to back me up and that's all the "man" I need).

And then I realize.

If I fell in a relationship, my life would effectively be over. Everything gets restricted. Everything. My flexibility in the world is gone, my finances get shorter, and my mistakes affect someone else in a direct way.

And if I don't have a relationship... well, my life is one piece after another of overall worthlessness. I'm actually working hard at burning out, as bright as possible, with so much stuff. More and more, getting through life always with something interesting... because, really, I have nothing.

So either I lose everything or I have nothing. Okay, we've determined that this is a waste of time to even think about.:huh:

leighton
11-18-2009, 03:49 PM
I think its manlier to have the ability to forgoe the sex and get to know the woman or write her off as too skanky.

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but...

bluefoxicy
11-18-2009, 04:15 PM
I think its manlier to have the ability to forgoe the sex and get to know the woman or write her off as too skanky.

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but...

You're probably not in the minority HERE, but you're also probably not a 20s college kid. I'm frequently in some...very odd situations, and tend to walk away from them.

Besides it's not like I'm actually trying. It's just not comfortable to me to fast track it; if you're looking for a no-name doll for the night, well, there's enough on that topic in the Astroglide thread over in the creams and shave soaps forum... me, I actually like girls, and accordingly I tend to talk and get close rather than just try to get their pants off.

Heh, a girl I know told me I'm 'dangerous' because apparently I'm a nice guy and easy to get to like; but I won't get in a relationship, so it's difficult and sometimes hurtful. I'm ... unsure what advantage that could possibly give me. Hurting someone is a major cost, and my actions should only detriment myself.

KarthVader
11-18-2009, 09:38 PM
You're probably not in the minority HERE, but you're also probably not a 20s college kid. I'm frequently in some...very odd situations, and tend to walk away from them.

Besides it's not like I'm actually trying. It's just not comfortable to me to fast track it; if you're looking for a no-name doll for the night, well, there's enough on that topic in the Astroglide thread over in the creams and shave soaps forum... me, I actually like girls, and accordingly I tend to talk and get close rather than just try to get their pants off.

Heh, a girl I know told me I'm 'dangerous' because apparently I'm a nice guy and easy to get to like; but I won't get in a relationship, so it's difficult and sometimes hurtful. I'm ... unsure what advantage that could possibly give me. Hurting someone is a major cost, and my actions should only detriment myself.

Dude, I empathize. I'm kinda the same way. I don't feel like women our age get it yet. I just figure that maybe I'm a bit more mature in my goals and wants in life. 90% of the women that are my age are still about which guy has the cool car, can buy her things and will treat her like a princess. That attitude annoys the crap out of me.

Sex has never been a big issue and people have often scoffed at me for my views. I'm sorry, but I'm just deeper than that. I've tried being shallow and I just couldn't buy into it. It's not me or my personality. If just having sex is your cup of tea, then by all means. But I'm not going to fall into line for that roller coaster.

Well, I hope you get what your looking for. Just finish school and do what makes you happy. Forget your parents, superficial friends and all that other stuff. Take care of #1 (you) and the universe will unfold as it should.

bluefoxicy
11-19-2009, 05:21 AM
Huh.

Guess maybe I'm not so weird after all.

Hmm... well I guess this isn't so bad. I'll figure something out.

FreezerBurns
11-19-2009, 07:06 AM
For you, I recommend a pair of these versatile bad boys:

http://www.getprice.com.au/images/uploadimg/878/350__1_shoes_iaec1178087.jpg

leighton
11-19-2009, 07:47 AM
I want these shoes! :drool:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Z8RVePO7MO0/SXKZxvqihVI/AAAAAAAAABU/VX4frCBlYaY/s400/puma.bmp




I would just wear a white tee and jeans with some really good looking shoes. Again, I'm pretty sure the shoes will enable you to pull this off.

Or if I wanted to dress it up, I'd throw a jacket (blazer) on top.

bluefoxicy
11-19-2009, 09:05 AM
I would just wear a white tee and jeans with some really good looking shoes. Again, I'm pretty sure the shoes will enable you to pull this off.

Or if I wanted to dress it up, I'd throw a jacket (blazer) on top.

lol jeans, button-up, and blazer...

http://www.uncrate.com/men/images/2006/09/armani-tweed-blazer.jpg

I haven't quite determined what a "blazer" technically is yet.

Man I keep finding pictures of all these hot guys. I'm envious. Any girl I look at, these damn models could talk to and walk home with in 5 minutes. :(

... oh, duh. I can copy their look and attitude, I should try that. I keep forgetting you can wear personalities like you wear hats.

leighton
11-19-2009, 10:28 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blazer

Basically its a casual suit without the pants. One sentence description.

scottish steve
11-19-2009, 10:46 AM
Interesting responses on the basis of confidence. Obviously there are many reasons and life-situations which determine your self-confidence, but in my opinion you are far more likely to feel better about yourself if you have a job you like, friends you respect and who respect you, and a healthy, loving/fun relationship. The "respect that comes from within" is a lot harder to pull off if you're eating from bins and praying you don't die of hypothermia when it rains overnight. I mean, its not revolutionary is it?

bluefoxicy
11-19-2009, 11:13 AM
Interesting responses on the basis of confidence. Obviously there are many reasons and life-situations which determine your self-confidence, but in my opinion you are far more likely to feel better about yourself if you have a job you like, friends you respect and who respect you, and a healthy, loving/fun relationship.

Interesting. I guess having more friends might make me feel less... lost... in social situations. Being in a relationship would be a disaster though.

Not being a complete loser probably helps a bit too... I should try that one day.

leighton
11-19-2009, 12:00 PM
Interesting responses on the basis of confidence. Obviously there are many reasons and life-situations which determine your self-confidence, but in my opinion you are far more likely to feel better about yourself if you have a job you like, friends you respect and who respect you, and a healthy, loving/fun relationship. The "respect that comes from within" is a lot harder to pull off if you're eating from bins and praying you don't die of hypothermia when it rains overnight. I mean, its not revolutionary is it?

I agree with the first two, but the relationship may or may not be necessary. You just have to be comfortable with your singleness or relationship with women, IMHO. Besides, you can fake that until you make it. Confidence with women is pretending your the shit and already have a chick at home waiting for you. Unless you really do... But we won't go there.

dwnwrdishvnwrd
11-20-2009, 11:47 PM
The "respect that comes from within" is a lot harder to pull off if you're eating from bins and praying you don't die of hypothermia when it rains overnight. I mean, its not revolutionary is it?

I would hope that if one were eating from bins and freezing that they wouldn't be spending their time on B&B trying to get the BBS. :001_smile

Seriously, you do bring up good points. It's a lot harder to be confident when one feels like they have nothing to be confident about. Leighton hit it right on the head though: Fake it till you make it. Nobody can tell the difference. Just don't take it to the extreme and be cocky. I have to fake an attitude all the time when I'm at work. Sometimes I come in and I'm grumpy and I don't want to have to be nice to people but I slap on a smile and I'm nice to everybody I work with and everybody I talk to and eventually that smile is no longer fake.

OP does have a point about "adopting" attitudes. Taking a cue from the way others carry themselves is a strong way to generate a response from your internal system. You see a person (not just a guy, ladies are awesome body language spe......ts) and you adopt their stance eventually you get the gist of the way that person feels. Adopt their swagger and that swagger changes the way you feel and eventually it's YOUR swagger. Take cues from TV, movies, even radio (vocalization hits a lot of buttons with people) and run with them.

Leighton: Those Pumas are freaking nice. I'm sure you'll never run into anybody that is also wearing them.