Coffee Grinders & my Solis Maestro Plus

[letterk]

Seems we need a thread about coffee grinders in The Speakeasy.

To start, here's a quick review of my new Solis Maestro Plus. Quick background - I love good coffee, but have only just recently been interested in improving the quality at home. So take my comments as coming from basically a newbie. Other coffee connoisseurs, such as DJ, have much more experience than I and would be able to offer far greater advice.

My previous equipment was a basic blade grinder and a typical department store drip coffee machine. My initial goal was to be able to make espresso at home and my wish list (from talks with a board member and reading coffeegeek.com) included a Rancilio Rocky grinder and a Rancilio Silvia espresso machine. The grinder was number one on my list and I was waiting for a good deal. After reading quite a few reviews I had the Solis Maestro (standard) as a second choice.

Talking with my wife changed the plans slightly, as she really wanted to just be able to make a great pot of drip coffee, without all the skill and time required for espresso. So, while espresso is still a goal, great drip coffee has become the immediate plan, and the need for espresso quality grind is lessened.

Right before Christmas, my wife broke our blade grinder. Luckily my in-laws planned on getting me a grinder as a Christmas gift. When asked for recommendations, I suggested the Maestro ($115) as I didn't necessarily want to ask for the Rocky due to the higher price. I had my hesitations about the Maestro as I've read that there were a few shortcomings, including noise and instability from a light machine, and not a quite fine enough grind for espresso. I knew the Plus model ($150) was an improvement in both areas, but at the increased price, the Rocky wasn't that much more.

Luckily, eBay came to the rescue and this gentlemen (http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZbrower-powerQQhtZ-1) occasionally sells the Maestro Plus, factory refurbished for $115 shipped, the same price as the standard model. The grinder is drop shipped from the distributor in Portland, and includes a 6 month warranty (versus the normal year). Actually, since I purchased mine, I've seen him sell it for $105 shipped, so you may be able to get a better deal.

While I still would like to get the Rocky, I'll probably be happy I got the Maestro as having a dedicated espresso grinder seems to be recommended. So I'll need to purchase another grinder in the future. The Maestro will handle my normal drip and French press needs quite nicely. I believe it will also let me at least get started with espresso once the need arises.

So, finally, on to my brief review.

It's a very nice machine. The 4lb metal base really promotes a quality feel. It's very easy to use and cleaning seems to be easy as well.

While it takes longer than a blade grinder, the resulting grind is infinitely better than my old blade grinder. The grind is very consistent and the resulting coffee was the best made at home so far. The grind is easy to adjust and there are helpful markings for common grind size (drip, espresso, etc...) It also seems to leave very little residual grinds left in the machine with an empty bean hopper.

It's very stable and quite a bit quieter than I was expecting.

Compared to the standard model, it has 40 grind settings versus 16, and claims to be able to grind fine enough for Turkish coffee (although I have no plans to actually test that).

Another plus is that my wife thinks it looks nice, so leaving it on the counter is OK.

The timed grinding feature will probably go unused.

While not really much of a concern, I've found two things that could be improved. I find I get some grinds behind the grind catch box. Also, while it incorporates some design features to reduce static build-up, it's still there.

Overall I'm very happy with the grinder.

Do you have a favorite grinder and would you care to review it?

[sphughes]

John,

I have the same machine and love it. I did a great deal of research and for the price point, it was my choice. I think the Plus is worth the few extra pieces of coin for all the subtle improvements of the Maestro. I actually have a review of it posted on www.wholelattelove.com I took the same route you did also, I bought it from these folks (free shipping included) for ~$115.00 refurbished with a full warranty. I've had it for going on 2 years now I think with no problems.

This machine does it all for me with little or no trouble. The only thing that took me a bit was learning the right setting for the espresso grind I wanted. The first try I had to use a paper clip to break up the clump that formed in the chute. A bit of trial and error and now it is perfect. Recently I have been playing around with the grind settings for my new Vacuum Pot, and it is painless.

If I could justify buying a higher end grinder, I would in a heartbeat; but there is zero need because this Plus meets my needs. I recommend it to anyone that is in the market. Solis is well known name in the business and parts are available if you ever need them.

-Scott-

[Dinder1]

Nice review John. A consistent grind is crucial in brewing a good cup of coffee, and I am sure that you will notice a big improvement in the cup.
Now as far as keeping your coffee in the supplied hopper...I don't recommend it. The hopper on the grinder is not airtight, and relying on the timer for proper dosing just does not give you a consistent dose of ground coffee. I always measure my whole beans by volume, then I throw them in the grinder until they are all ground, switch off the grinder, and brew.
Coffees enemies are light, and air, so just store your coffee in a airtight container tucked away in a nice dark cool cupboard, and all will be good.
Enjoy the new grinder John, it should last you many years.
DJ.

[ouch]

This notion may be anathema to serious coffee gurus, but I've found a use for the cheap, crappy blade grinders: use them with your Aeropress! Unlike persnickety espresso machines, the Aeropress doesn't seem to mind a less than ideal grind, and I've had some excellent cups at work, something I had not thought possible.

[Lyrt]

This notion may be anathema to serious coffee gurus, but I've found a use for the cheap, crappy blade grinders: use them with your Aeropress! Unlike persnickety espresso machines, the Aeropress doesn't seem to mind a less than ideal grind, and I've had some excellent cups at work, something I had not thought possible.

Even with a French press and supposedly an Aeropress, a consistent grind should be crucial. The fine particles would be over-extracted while the coarser would be under-extracted. :confused:

[Dinder1]

Even with a French press and supposedly an Aeropress, a consistent grind should be crucial. The fine particles would be over-extracted while the coarser would be under-extracted. :confused:

+1
DJ.

[ouch]

Very true, but not nearly as bad a result as other methods, including lots of commercial offerings.

Eg: blade grinder + French press = yuck!:crying:

[Dinder1]

Very true, but not nearly as bad a result as other methods, including lots of commercial offerings.

Eg: blade grinder + French press = yuck!:crying:

True, blade grinders generate quite a bit of heat, which also degrades the coffee. Burr grinders turn at a much slower RPM, thus cooler coffee = lesser degradation, plus you get a much more uniform grind = a more uniform extraction.
DJ.

[GeeQue]

Since we are on the subject of grinders, is anyone familiar with this burr grinder ?
http://www.1stincoffee.com/capresso-burr-grinder.htm
I've never owned one so I'm not too savy about grinders.

[letterk]

Nice review John. A consistent grind is crucial in brewing a good cup of coffee, and I am sure that you will notice a big improvement in the cup.
Now as far as keeping your coffee in the supplied hopper...I don't recommend it. The hopper on the grinder is not airtight, and relying on the timer for proper dosing just does not give you a consistent dose of ground coffee. I always measure my whole beans by volume, then I throw them in the grinder until they are all ground, switch off the grinder, and brew.
Coffees enemies are light, and air, so just store your coffee in a airtight container tucked away in a nice dark cool cupboard, and all will be good.
Enjoy the new grinder John, it should last you many years.
DJ.

DJ, I've only used it a few times, but I do the same. I'm measure out the beans and then use them up in one sitting.

[berzerkeleyan]

How efficient would this grinder be for single servings? Are there smaller/more appropriate burr grinders for a party of one?

[Lyrt]

How efficient would this grinder be for single servings? Are there smaller/more appropriate burr grinders for a party of one?

I have a Macap M5 (http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/7046/m5piccolouc7.jpg), which is already an overkill for home use, and once you know the quantities, it is perfect for a party of one. I think the same can be said of virtually every grinder.

[HlSheppard]

Now you're talkin' Lyrt!

I've got both a Solis Maestro AND a Mini Mazzer!! LOL

:biggrin:

Overkill? Yeah, just like the 400 metric tons of shaving equipment, coffee roasting stuff, pipe tobacco and beer that I have as well....:001_tt2:

[ravkesef]

I have the Solis Maestro Plus and love it. It grinds properly for any demands I place on it--the French Press which starts off every day--coarse and even (even is the most important feature,) and perfectly fine for my espresso shots throughout the day, pulled in an Olympia-Cremina Pump. This type of machine, while it does pull an exquisite shot, is not at all forgiving of an uneven grind. The Solis does it for me.
Another excellent machine is the Capresso Infinity, which also gives me the God shots in my Olympia. If you have a pump machine that uses a pressurized portafilter, then the evenness of the grind is less of an issue.

[Lyrt]

I've got both a Solis Maestro AND a Mini Mazzer!! LOL



So I take it the Maestro is adjusted for your French press and the Mazzer for your La Spaziale?

[Dinder1]

Now you're talkin' Lyrt!

I've got both a Solis Maestro AND a Mini Mazzer!! LOL

:biggrin:

Overkill? Yeah, just like the 400 metric tons of shaving equipment, coffee roasting stuff, pipe tobacco and beer that I have as well....:001_tt2:

Same here, only I have a Mazzer Super in my combo.:eek: Talk about overkill!:lol:
DJ.

[berzerkeleyan]

I have a Macap M5 (http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/7046/m5piccolouc7.jpg), which is already an overkill for home use, and once you know the quantities, it is perfect for a party of one. I think the same can be said of virtually every grinder.

Uh...yyyyeah...that thing's bigger than my kitchen, so I'll likely pass. :biggrin:

Looks like you can do all sorts of things with that rig, not just grind coffee. Does it make waffles, too? :wink:

[Lyrt]

I just meant that if my overkill is good for one person, a Maestro (a Mazzer, a Rancilio, etc.) is likely to be too. :biggrin:

Honestly, the reason I bought an overkill was I didn’t want to bother with static electricity. And the reason I didn’t buy a Mazzer is I find it ugly.

[berzerkeleyan]

I just meant that if my overkill is good for one person, a Maestro (a Mazzer, a Rancilio, etc.) is likely to be too. :biggrin:

Understood. Thanks. :smile:

[bbqncigars]

I've got the earlier version of this grinder (http://www.chriscoffee.com/products/home/grinders/quickmillgrinder). Great for espresso in a small footprint, and it matches my Zaffiro.



Wayne

[Austin]

Thanks gents! This is a great thread.

[TickTock]

The Solis is a good grinder--I have one for drip/Aeropress for my wife so she doesn't have to fiddle with my gigantic Mazzer Super Jolly that's mine for espresso. I actually used the Solis as an espresso grinder and it was just about adequate. I got the Mazzer used from a reseller who had bought all the used grinders from Starbucks when they retooled a huge number of stores.

The burrs were dull in it so a quick replacement ($25) was called for. The new burrs are rated for 400kg of coffee before being replaced which should last me 3 or 4 decades.

The thing weighs 50 pounds and just barely fits under my cabinets--without the hopper.

All the coffee geeks I know say the grinder is by far the most important factor in decent coffee. If you go to coffeegeek.com and ask what espresso machine you should get you will instantly get quizzed about what grinder you have or what is your grinder budget.

By the way, I think the best drip coffee is manual pourover and had a Chemex pot (til I broke it) that was great. You do have to stand there and pour, but the problem with almost all automatic drip machines is that they don't get the water hot enough.

[berzerkeleyan]

By reading what all the experts on this forum have written, I ended up getting an Aeropress over the Holiday Break. It's a vast improvement over my French Press. It'd be nice to improve even further with a decent grinder. So this thread has been great. Thanks.

[rtaylor61]

I've got an Aeropress on order...can't wait for it to arrive!

Randy

[Scotto]

I have a Braun burr grinder that I bought quite a few years ago. Definitely an entry-level grinder. It was an improvement over my blade grinder (now relegated to spices :wink:) but the dust and static is unbelievable. It is like a wave of coffee dust sprays everywhere, making cleaning an absolute nightmare. It spends most of its time collecting (regular) dust in a cabinet somewhere.

[Sue]

I had a grinder and switched to a Cuisinart grinder - coffee maker about a year ago and am very happy with it. I buy one pound bags of specialty coffee which I keep sealed in my freezer and make my own blends.
Sue

[dangert]

Now you're talkin' Lyrt!
I've got both a Solis Maestro AND a Mini Mazzer!! LOL


At home I have Rancilio Rocky for espresso and Zassenhaus Turkish manual grinder for electric moka pot when I travel (also for occasional moka at home when I am in a hurry). I also have a retired Lux grinder (http://www.nemox.it/Inglese/Caffe/Lux/lux.htm) - actually the same burr set as Solis Maestro in a stainless steel package and more robust grind adjustment.

In the office I have the Solis Maestro Plus for my own use and Solis 166 for the rest of the people. The Maestro Plus is nice for a simple espresso machine (it is serving Nemox Junior), but the quality of grind is much more consistent with Rocky.

[FriscoSoxFan]

I'm not a coffee fanatic by any means, but I got my first grinder for Christmas - a cheapie B&D blade grinder. I also got a pound of Dunkin' beans to go with it.

May not sound like much to y'all, but for a Boston boy living in Texas, it is a small piece o' heaven!

[HlSheppard]

So I take it the Maestro is adjusted for your French press and the Mazzer for your La Spaziale?


LOL - EXACTLY
:yesnod:

[HlSheppard]

I have a Braun burr grinder that I bought quite a few years ago. Definitely an entry-level grinder. It was an improvement over my blade grinder (now relegated to spices :wink:) but the dust and static is unbelievable. It is like a wave of coffee dust sprays everywhere, making cleaning an absolute nightmare. It spends most of its time collecting (regular) dust in a cabinet somewhere.

Scotto -

Wet your hand and let a few drops of water fall on the whole beans. That will cure (or, at least GREATLY reduce) your static "explosions."

Those suck.:cursing:

[HlSheppard]

Sorry to hear about your experiences, ExcerciseGuy...

I've had that same "first generation" Maestro (and I beat the CRAP outta mine) with not so much as a hint of a problem. Heck - it even survived a house fire!:eek:

If you get some of those "Grindz" cleaning pellets - there's not really a reason to take apart your grinder, except to replace the burrs. Mine are still doing fine (I do mostly coarse grinding with it since getting a Rancilio Rocky, then the Mazzer Mini).

[Dinder1]

Another quick and easy cleaning method for your grinder is to throw a scoop of uncooked white rice in the grinder, grind it through and then run a few beans through to remove any residue. This method will remove any unwanted and possibly rancid oils from the burrs etc. without tearing your grinder apart. This is also extremely cost effective compared to using the Grindz product.
Good luck.
DJ.

[exerciseguy]

Sorry to hear about your experiences, ExcerciseGuy...

I've had that same "first generation" Maestro (and I beat the CRAP outta mine) with not so much as a hint of a problem. Heck - it even survived a house fire!:eek:

If you get some of those "Grindz" cleaning pellets - there's not really a reason to take apart your grinder, except to replace the burrs. Mine are still doing fine (I do mostly coarse grinding with it since getting a Rancilio Rocky, then the Mazzer Mini).

My grinder is still going strong for now, I use it everyday, sometimes twice, usually with a medium (drip) grind.

One other thing I dispise about this grinder is the static-cling, it's not the worst, but it ain't good either for the price I paid.

I never heard of "Grindz" before, I need to look into it. Thanks.

[exerciseguy]

White rice sound like it might do the trick. Thanks.

What are Grindz made of? I bet they're nothing more than fiber tablets. I assume you are supposed to discard the beans you "flush" the machine with, seems wasteful unless you have a stockpile of old nasty beans you need to get rid of.

[Rik]

Which burr grinder provides the most bang for the buck?

I'm one of those guys who uses a french press with a blade grinder and don't mind the resulting particulate laden brew - yes the beans are coarsely ground. It's second nature to give the tankard a swirl before taking a swig.

[HlSheppard]

I used rice for a long time - honestly, I'd forgotten about it. Good point!

The Grindz tablets are "proprietary" :closedeye But it just grains of some sort.


Rik - the Maestro IS the grinder with the most bang for the buck in my opinion.

[BroJohn]

Since we are on the subject of grinders, is anyone familiar with this burr grinder ?
http://www.1stincoffee.com/capresso-burr-grinder.htm
I've never owned one so I'm not too savy about grinders.

Yup, this is the one I have only the brushed chrome --the 565?. Also have a 50 year old Cory DEG.

The capresso is a terrific grinder, is the low end of the 'good' grinders. Will do a journeyman's job for Espresso, though I don't (or rarely) use it for that. For drip, and especially vac pots, you can't beat it. Recommended.

-- John Gehman

[bbqncigars]

I have followed advice in coffeegeek and used instant rice for grinder cleaning. The instant is a little 'fluffier' and will not gum up the burrs. I suspect that Grindz are a bit pricier than Uncle Ben's.:wink:



Wayne

[Limey]

Interesting thread. I have a Solis Maestro Plus Coffee Grinder along with a Rancilio Silvia Espresso Machine. I usually make my coffees on the weekends only and I have had very good luck in the three plus years I have had these machines. These are kind of middle ground machines. By that I mean they are too expensive for those not into coffee and on the flip side not the best for the real coffee connoisseurs. To me both are easy to work with and heavy duty machines that I would recommend to anyone!

[Jim]

John
Its been a few months now are you still loving your "new" grinder?

[Risky]

Very true, but not nearly as bad a result as other methods, including lots of commercial offerings.

Eg: blade grinder + French press = yuck!:crying:
I use a Starbucks Barista grinder and a Bodum Bistro Neo French press and my coffee tastes fantastic.

I don't see the logic in spending so much money on grinders and coffee making equipment.

[boboakalfb]

I use a Starbucks Barista grinder and a Bodum Bistro Neo French press and my coffee tastes fantastic.

I don't see the logic in spending so much money on grinders and coffee making equipment.

It doesn't have to be very expensive. Espresso is where the money is spent. Blade grinders are inconsistent...leaving the grind at different sizes. Therefore underextraction an overextraction occurs. I picked up a Solis Maestro and Aeropress for around $100...hands down makes much better coffee than you would get from a drip maker of the same cost. I am no expert so others may chime in.

[rikrdo]

I use a Starbucks Barista grinder and a Bodum Bistro Neo French press and my coffee tastes fantastic.

I don't see the logic in spending so much money on grinders and coffee making equipment.


Yep.
The subtle flavors one must get from using a burr grinder are lost on my palate.
Krups spice grinder used here.

[letterk]

John
Its been a few months now are you still loving your "new" grinder?

Yes. It works great and no problems at all. I've cleaned it a few times with the instant rice trick. Still looks and works like new. Once in a while I have the urge to try an upgrade, but can't justify it yet. Maybe when I get an espresso maker.

[letterk]

I use a Starbucks Barista grinder and a Bodum Bistro Neo French press and my coffee tastes fantastic.

I don't see the logic in spending so much money on grinders and coffee making equipment.

It's just like shaving. Sure you get more when you pay more (usually), but at some point the law of diminishing returns kicks in. It just depends on where you draw the line. Personally, I found a blade grinder to work terribly with my french press (I like strong coffee, but don't care for sludge). The Solis Maestro Plus made all my coffee taste better, from drip, Aeropress, and French Press. Additionally, a blade grinder won't cut it with an espresso machine.

[Scotto]

There is a price cusp somewhere around $300. If you are paying less than that, then among the options it probably doesn't matter much. Making the jump to a burr grinder in that price range will have a huge difference in your coffee (and is a must for espresso). Above that there are diminishing returns, unless you are a total nutjob about coffee, which many are.

I got a Rancilio Rocky a couple of months ago and I was blown away by the improvement in coffee, especially French Press, drip, etc. It is just so uniform that you are producing very little sludge and extracting everything perfectly. Alas, my Rocky is defective at its lowest grind settings, so I think I am going to get a Mazzer or similar high-end grinder instead.

I haven't tried the Solis, but many people like them for non-espresso preparations.

[Dinder1]

There is a price cusp somewhere around $300. If you are paying less than that, then among the options it probably doesn't matter much. Making the jump to a burr grinder in that price range will have a huge difference in your coffee (and is a must for espresso). Above that there are diminishing returns, unless you are a total nutjob about coffee, which many are.

I got a Rancilio Rocky a couple of months ago and I was blown away by the improvement in coffee, especially French Press, drip, etc. It is just so uniform that you are producing very little sludge and extracting everything perfectly. Alas, my Rocky is defective at its lowest grind settings, so I think I am going to get a Mazzer or similar high-end grinder instead.

I haven't tried the Solis, but many people like them for non-espresso preparations.

Scotto,
I highly recommend the Mazzer.:thumbup1: Beleive me you will notice a huge improvement in the grind quallity, even over a quallity grinder like the Rocky.

[Risky]

Not being funny...how fine are we talking for an espresso machine?

My grinder can grind finder than the 'espresso ground coffee' that you can buy. This thing makes beans powder.

At the end of the day, there is no use buying a fancy grinder if you are using a french press since they require you to use a coarse grind otherwise the filter clogs and it wont press. How fine a grind can you use in an aeropress? That's about the only thing I'm interested in buying.

[letterk]

Not being funny...how fine are we talking for an espresso machine?

My grinder can grind finder than the 'espresso ground coffee' that you can buy. This thing makes beans powder.

At the end of the day, there is no use buying a fancy grinder if you are using a french press since they require you to use a coarse grind otherwise the filter clogs and it wont press. How fine a grind can you use in an aeropress? That's about the only thing I'm interested in buying.

I can't comment on espresso, but it has more to do with a consistent grind. With a blade grinder, you get all sizes in your grind, from small to large. Even grinding for a short time, to get a large grind for press, you still end up with small particles that turn into sludge. A burr grinder results in a grind that is more consistent in terms of size. It's also more consistent for each use because it doesn't rely on time.

[qhsdoitall]

Not being funny...how fine are we talking for an espresso machine?

My grinder can grind finder than the 'espresso ground coffee' that you can buy. This thing makes beans powder.

At the end of the day, there is no use buying a fancy grinder if you are using a french press since they require you to use a coarse grind otherwise the filter clogs and it wont press. How fine a grind can you use in an aeropress? That's about the only thing I'm interested in buying.

You'll have a stroke trying to plunge espresso grind through an AeroPress. :biggrin:

[_JP_]

At the end of the day, there is no use buying a fancy grinder if you are using a french press since they require you to use a coarse grind otherwise the filter clogs and it wont press. How fine a grind can you use in an aeropress? That's about the only thing I'm interested in buying.


You'll have a stroke trying to plunge espresso grind through an AeroPress. :biggrin:

I have tried grinding beans down to a powder with a blade grinder and then using that in the Aeropress. It was a full 4 cup load for that batch. While I didn't get a stroke pressing it (it was so slow going through that I can't call that a stroke) I did need some extra patience while using both hands to press. When I tried the same grind for a single cup, it wasn't bad at all.

These days I grind down to a little larger than a powder. I'm really happy with the results from that.

[dangert]

I got a Rancilio Rocky a couple of months ago and I was blown away by the improvement in coffee, especially French Press, drip, etc. It is just so uniform that you are producing very little sludge and extracting everything perfectly. Alas, my Rocky is defective at its lowest grind settings, so I think I am going to get a Mazzer or similar high-end grinder instead.


I only drink espresso at home and the upgrade from Rancilio to Mazzer Mini E was a definite upgrade in quality. I am not sure I would note differences with other preparation methods.

[qhsdoitall]

I checked out the Mazzers and $495 for the cheapest one. You guys trying to give me a heart attack? :biggrin:

[Scotto]

"powder" is a relative thing. For real espresso machines that are putting out ~130psi of pressure, the coffee is the texture of talcum powder. That is very difficult to do, and to do perfectly evenly, in anything except a very good burr grinder.

[HlSheppard]

Not being funny...how fine are we talking for an espresso machine?

My grinder can grind finder than the 'espresso ground coffee' that you can buy. This thing makes beans powder.

At the end of the day, there is no use buying a fancy grinder if you are using a french press since they require you to use a coarse grind otherwise the filter clogs and it wont press. How fine a grind can you use in an aeropress? That's about the only thing I'm interested in buying.

Not that it would be good for much... But with my Mazzer, I could grind coffee as fine as powdered sugar or flour if I wanted to. I think Scotto said talcum powder... Absolutely.

The thing that a lot of folks forget at that price point is the grinder is VERY quiet (silent without beans) and basically ZERO static. As a guy who used to have coffee powder "explosions" from his cheaper grinders - that alone is worth the extra $$. The great espresso is just a fringe benefit..:biggrin:

[qhsdoitall]

So, are the Mazzer's about equal in quality with just a capacity or feature list difference?

[HlSheppard]

To what? Do you mean the different models of Mazzers? Doesn't matter to me - I could only afford the Mini! :biggrin:

The Mazzer "E" models are the Mini with electronic dosing sections (cool but WAY up the $$ ladder). The Super Jolly is full-bore commercial. A bit stronger motor with a HUGE bean capacity.

[qhsdoitall]

Sorry, I meant Mazzer products to each other. There is usually a price point in a product line where it doesn't make sense to buy something for the average consumer like me. And then again the Mazzers are above my price point for any of them at this stage of the game. I need to retire to take full advantage of one of those. :biggrin:

[Scotto]

I'm no expert, but for home use there is essentially no difference. The more expensive models have larger burrs and/or operate at different speeds to accommodate the needs of a commercial establishment. What you are paying for with Mazzer are the micrometrical adjustment of the burrs which allows hyper-tuning of the grind (for those lunatics who argue over the merits of a 32 second ristretto versus a 33 second, etc....), plus the build quality and name.

[HlSheppard]

I'm no expert, but for home use there is essentially no difference. The more expensive models have larger burrs and/or operate at different speeds to accommodate the needs of a commercial establishment. What you are paying for with Mazzer are the micrometrical adjustment of the burrs which allows hyper-tuning of the grind (for those lunatics who argue over the merits of a 32 second ristretto versus a 33 second, etc....), plus the build quality and name.

Who the hell (cough, COUGH) are you talking about???!!! :rolleyes:

(that's a 24 second ristretto, mister!) :biggrin:

[biomesh]

I love my Zassenhaus, and it helps since I am cheap! I just hope that they are going to be available again in a few months since they have been non-existent for about two years. I want a 169DG, but was lucky to get a 156MA in a small central Texas town (German heritage). The zassenhaus grinders may not be up to par with a Rocky or Mazzer Mini, but the grinds are much better than any blade grinder and work well with my french press and moka pot.

[HlSheppard]

I heard that they're going to be available again (if true, GREAT news).

They are AWESOME grinders! I'm just too damned lazy...:blushing:

[TromboneGuy]

So, a bit of a side question: I like espresso-based drinks, but I'm not about to shell out multiple hundreds of dollars for an espresso machine. Is it possible to get a decent espresso out of one of the stovetop makers such as a Bialetti? If so, I would consider buying one of those and a decent grinder.

[HlSheppard]

The short answer is no. Those pots will make a good cup of strong coffee, but they can't produce the pressure needed to make actual (real) espresso.

[biomesh]

I find the mokapot makes a bit sweeter cup since the extraction time is less than my standard (french press). If you are looking for something a bit different, but not willing to shell out the $$ on an expresso machine, then spend $20-$30 on one.

[TromboneGuy]

Thanks for the info. I may give it a try anyway - if it doesn't work I'm only out $30 or so. It'll be a while though - I just shelled out a bit for a new suit, and since I don't plan on changing size or shape much from here on out I went tailored this time.

[Arthur J Cummings]

Another quick and easy cleaning method for your grinder is to throw a scoop of uncooked white rice in the grinder, grind it through and then run a few beans through to remove any residue. This method will remove any unwanted and possibly rancid oils from the burrs etc. without tearing your grinder apart. This is also extremely cost effective compared to using the Grindz product.
Good luck.
DJ.
Damn! When will I learn . I thought I got a piece of seminal information today when I called Kitchen Aid asking about my weird acting grinder.A very efficient lady told me to dump a cup of rice through it. I did .It worked! Of course as a newbee I had to share it with everyone.I should read the post sand threads before I get all lathered up. I later saw several posts , some over a year advising of this neat little trick.
Redfaced ( not from shaving) in Mission Viejo.
Art Cummings aka connman:confused:

[jvcjbl]

Bodum Chambord French Press for me every morning with fresh ground Starbucks French Roast beans. I have a brandnew Mr. Coffee that is on the counter as a lovely decrotive piece... LOL it has seen one brewing when my parents came with their Foldgers.

[ouch]

Bodum Chambord French Press for me every morning with fresh ground Starbucks French Roast beans. I have a brandnew Mr. Coffee that is on the counter as a lovely decrotive piece... LOL it has seen one brewing when my parents came with their Foldgers.

That's funny. I have a Bodum Chambord French Press that is on the counter as a lovely decorative piece, ever since I got an Aeropress. :lol:

[jvcjbl]

That's funny. I have a Bodum Chambord French Press that is on the counter as a lovely decorative piece, ever since I got an Aeropress. :lol:

Seen that toy before... I looked at it... but my thought was a company that just makes coffee stuff probably has a better product over a company that makes frizbee golf products and random other things... but I do admit now that you showed me I will probably buy it so I can give it a good run down.

[Lynchmeister]

Seen that toy before... I looked at it... but my thought was a company that just makes coffee stuff probably has a better product over a company that makes frizbee golf products and random other things... but I do admit now that you showed me I will probably buy it so I can give it a good run down.

Famous last words...It seems like the Aeropress is more addictive than crack around these parts. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[jvcjbl]

Once I read all the bad reviews about it... I am def. sticking with my Bodum piece... not only is it better built but the results are much better from what I gathered over about 10 reviews.

[boboakalfb]

Once I read all the bad reviews about it... I am def. sticking with my Bodum piece... not only is it better built but the results are much better from what I gathered over about 10 reviews.

YMMV...but my French Press is now in the back of a cabinet somewhere not getting any attention.

[letterk]

Once I read all the bad reviews about it... I am def. sticking with my Bodum piece... not only is it better built but the results are much better from what I gathered over about 10 reviews.

What reviews? My French press hasn't been used since I got my Aeropress. The results aren't even in the same league.

[boboakalfb]

What reviews? My French press hasn't been used since I got my Aeropress. The results aren't even in the same league.

Maybe there are reviews on the Bodum site?

[jvcjbl]

Talked to some people at sweet marias coffee and they just were happy with the results... the constant leakage that is evident just isn't to my liking either. I don't have any of that with the Bodum. I don't have to buy discs and I don't have to super steep either. 10 - 20 secs is what I read on their (areo press) site because you use a finer grind. I am good with all of that... if someone would like to demonstrate or tell me where I can get one locally to prove to me otherwise... until then I agree with the 100's of reviews that the French Press Bodum is superior in everywhat... Please don't make a pissing contest out of this, this is just my $.02

[letterk]

Talked to some people at sweet marias coffee and they just were happy with the results... the constant leakage that is evident just isn't to my liking either. I don't have any of that with the Bodum. I don't have to buy discs and I don't have to super steep either. 10 - 20 secs is what I read on their (areo press) site because you use a finer grind. I am good with all of that... if someone would like to demonstrate or tell me where I can get one locally to prove to me otherwise... until then I agree with the 100's of reviews that the French Press Bodum is superior in everywhat... Please don't make a pissing contest out of this, this is just my $.02

I won't comment on design specifics, because hey, there's a lot of personal preference involved there. But for my taste buds, the resulting coffee is markedly superior from the Aeropress. No pissing match at all, just my $.02 as well. Where do you live?

[Newfie]

Here's my $0.02 worth.

I've never used (nor even seen) an Aeropress but have read very good things about them. However, with my Gaggia Espresso kit and 3 Bodum French Presses, I don't feel a need for one.

That being said, coffee beans and flavour depending on how it's made is another YMMV thing and what I like, you may or may not. I love the $6 / lb fresh roasted beans I get from a local, so feel no need to splurge on a couple of lbs of the famed Black Cat @ $13 / lb.

To each his own. Lets all tip a cup of whatever you like, made how you like it, in your favourite cup!!!

[jvcjbl]

I live down in LA (Rancho Cucamonga) if you recall. I called a local coffee shop that sells them and both the Bodum. He said in his 40 years in the Coffee experience that the Aero press makes a good cup of a coffee but the difference between the two is questionable. He said it is great for the person who wants a quick cup of joe but the Bodum is more of the "natrualist" method. Either way for $28 I am going to grab one and try it out. Thanks John

[ouch]

Talked to some people at sweet marias coffee and they just were happy with the results... the constant leakage that is evident just isn't to my liking either. I don't have any of that with the Bodum. I don't have to buy discs and I don't have to super steep either. 10 - 20 secs is what I read on their (areo press) site because you use a finer grind. I am good with all of that... if someone would like to demonstrate or tell me where I can get one locally to prove to me otherwise... until then I agree with the 100's of reviews that the French Press Bodum is superior in everywhat... Please don't make a pissing contest out of this, this is just my $.02

You wouldn't be related to jbc? :lol:

Constant leakage? Please explain yourself.
Super steep? It's the press that requires steeping.
Bad reviews? Certainly not on this site.

I used a french press for over twenty years, and have half a dozen of them. Not one has been used since I bought an Aeropress.

[jvcjbl]

Well I just got back from the store and bought my Aeropress.... I will be the first to admit while it isn't as easy to the eyes as the Bodum piece I can't comment on anything else. I will give it ago tomorrow and adjust my grinder accordingly. I will be the first to admit what I heard was wrong on here. I am not the type of person who is ashamned in being wrong. But that again, I never said anything bad about it, just what I was told, and I usually take what I was told with a grain of salt. Any grinding recommendations? I grind about the middle of the coarse realm for the Bodum. I read on some of the reviews that they recomment between a medium drip grind or a medium fine. I am open.

[Padron]

I love my Aeropress too, I have been using a pretty fine espresso grind. It does make it a little harder to depress the plunger, but works fine with just a couple scoops for a single cup. :smile:

[jvcjbl]

I drink 3 U.S. cups in my mug every morning. So I am going to have to gauge how to make that much with this setup.

[ouch]

One thing the french press has over the Aero is its ability to produce a big honkin' pot o' joe at once. The Aero makes what is effectively a coffee concentrate, that you top off with hot water, americano style.

Where the french press requires a pretty coarse grind, the aero fares better with a fairly fine grind. You'll have to play around with grinds and proportions, but in no time you'll be producing intensely concentrated, sludge free cups.

[Padron]

I drink 3 U.S. cups in my mug every morning. So I am going to have to gauge how to make that much with this setup.

I'd try 4 scoops and fill to the 4 line, really depends how strong you like it though. Keep in mind though, with a fine grind and 4 scoops pushing the plunger down can be challenging.

Enjoy, please share your thoughts after you try it out.

Neale

[johnniegold]

I boil the water in a tea kettle. I use 2 scoops and follow DJ's set up. Fill Aeropress 1/3, stir grinds for about 15 seconds, add 1/3 more water, then last 1/3 and press. I don't quite fill to the top of #2 for a smoother brew and then add water for about an 11 oz. cuppa of coffee. Love it. I watch my wife drink the coffee out of the Cuisinart every morning and I just look at her "lovingly" . :frown2:

[Padron]

I watch my wife drink the coffee out of the Cuisinart every morning and I just look at her "lovingly" . :frown2:

LOL, Too funny. Since buying our Aeropress, I now get to make my wifes coffee too :rolleyes:

I use DJ's method as well, works great :biggrin:

I still need to buy a grinder though, Great thread thanks guys :biggrin:

[johnniegold]

LOL, Too funny. Since buying our Aeropress, I know get to make my wifes coffee too :rolleyes:

I use DJ's method as well, works great :biggrin:

I still need to buy a grinder though, Great thread thanks guys :biggrin:
+ 1 on the grinder

[Dinder1]

Well I just got back from the store and bought my Aeropress.... I will be the first to admit while it isn't as easy to the eyes as the Bodum piece I can't comment on anything else. I will give it ago tomorrow and adjust my grinder accordingly. I will be the first to admit what I heard was wrong on here. I am not the type of person who is ashamned in being wrong. But that again, I never said anything bad about it, just what I was told, and I usually take what I was told with a grain of salt. Any grinding recommendations? I grind about the middle of the coarse realm for the Bodum. I read on some of the reviews that they recomment between a medium drip grind or a medium fine. I am open.

Hey Jason, as far as the proper grind goes, I would shoot for a texture that resembles the granule size of table salt, and then tweak it + or - until you find the sweet spot.
Have fun!
DJ.

[jvcjbl]

I drink my coffee fairly strong... I measured the mug I used and it takes 2.5 normal size coffee cups worth of liquid... how many scoops would you go with and how much water in the aeropress?

[ouch]

If you can give the capacity of your mug in ounces, it would be easier to estimate.

[Dinder1]

I drink my coffee fairly strong... I measured the mug I used and it takes 2.5 normal size coffee cups worth of liquid... how many scoops would you go with and how much water in the aeropress?

As far as I am concered, the Aeropress makes a really good 11oz. cup of coffee (I use 2.5 heaping scoops). I'm not sure, but you may need to do a couple of batches for your needs.

[jvcjbl]

If you can give the capacity of your mug in ounces, it would be easier to estimate.

When I head down stairs I will give the ouces raiting for my cup... all I know is that the Bodum Chambord I have now says it is a 12 cup pot and I fill it exactly 50% full with 4 scoops and it fill the cup perfectly. I thought I was drinking a half a pot, but realized that US cups are larger... lol. Shows what I know, I just know the damn stuff is mighty tasty.

[Dinder1]

If you can give the capacity of your mug in ounces, it would be easier to estimate.

I agree, for instance, when you buy a coffee pot rated at 10 cups, what does this rating really mean? Well, most manufacturers range somewhere between 4oz. to 6oz. per cup. So 11oz. could translate to almost 2.5-2.75 cups.

[jvcjbl]

Went down stairs and measured my coffee cup. It is exactly 24oz. That is 3 8oz. cups according to my measuring cup. So how much what do you suggest I put in the aeropress?

[ouch]

I'd make it in two goes of 2 heaping scoops each.

But before you try to tailor it to your specific needs, why don't you just try to make a regular cup of coffee to taste?

[jvcjbl]

I'd make it in two goes of 2 heaping scoops each.

But before you try to tailor it to your specific needs, why don't you just try to make a regular cup of coffee to taste?

I am thinking about doing that... but that is too much work when you are drug downstairs by your dog who wants to go out and go potty.

So if my math is correct and they assume 1 scoop per 5oz cup then I am looking at 4.8 scoops to take care of my 25 oz. mug according to their standards. I might try 4 scoops and fill it up to the 4 marker and top the rest off with water and see how that goes. If it is too weak, I will just make some more. I have pretty much tailored my coffee amount around this mug so I judge everything off of that. What is your feelings on my method I mentioned?

[ouch]

I've found that the less water you brew with, the smoother the cup. That's why I'd still make it in two stages- try 2 1/2 scoops each, and fill to about the top of the "2" mark. You can reuse the filter- just peel it off, dump the grinds, and reinstall.

[jvcjbl]

So fill it up to the 2 line with water and add 2.5 scoops (2 heaping I assume) and make this twice to fill my cup and then top off with water?

[ouch]

So fill it up to the 2 line with water and add 2.5 scoops (2 heaping I assume) and make this twice to fill my cup and then top off with water?

Sounds like a plan. Put the coffee in first, add water, give a quick stir with the paddle, and slowly press. Depending on the grind, pressing will fall somewhere between easy and jugular busting. It should take about 20 seconds to plunge, and you should hear a reassuring hiss for the last several seconds. The pressurized air creates a faux crema. Remove the cap, peel off the filter (if reusing- they're cheap enough to discard) and push plunger the rest of the way to eject the grounds into the trash. Repeat, then top off with hot water.

The keys to the Aeropress are the low steeping times and the ability to brew with less than boiling water.

[jvcjbl]

Seems like a lot more work than my Bodum... but if they results are as good as everyone on here atleast says then it is worth it.

[ouch]

Why do you say it's more work? Have you figured out a way to use your Bodum without adding coffee, adding water, and plunging? The Aero cleans up much faster, especially if you disassemble the screen to clean it.

[jvcjbl]

yeah I just set my grinder to my setting grind my beans dump it in and let it steep for 4 mins. Come pack... plunge it and pour my cup. While it is cooling I disassemble and clean... yeah that part blows but i don't have to fumble with discs and coffee grounds and excessive pushing... Eh... I am just oober lazy when i am half asleep in the morning

[ouch]

yeah I just set my grinder to my setting grind my beans dump it in and let it steep for 4 mins. Come pack... plunge it and pour my cup. While it is cooling I disassemble and clean... yeah that part blows but i don't have to fumble with discs and coffee grounds and excessive pushing... Eh... I am just oober lazy when i am half asleep in the morning

Ah, I now see why your Bodym is so much easier. Per your instructions, you don't add water, don't stir, and don't have to dispose of the grinds. What do you do when your old grinds reach the top of the pot?

[Must Dash]

On the slim chance that there is someone else on the planet who didn't know this, after you pour yourself an espresso and knock the used puck out, instead of putting the puck in the garbage bin, put it in the fridge. It will absorb any unwanted fragrances that are swirling around the fridge (leaving more room for your favorite beer).

By the way, my machine is a Gaggia Classic Coffee and the grinder is nameless other than a tag that says 'made in Italy'. If you are in Australia and need a supplier of great machines and coffee, try www.caffebianchi.com Great blends and you can purchase online.

When I bought the espresso machine from them a few years ago, they talked me down from an expensive toy with lovely dials and pipes to the Gaggia Classic Coffee, which was around half the price. Sadly, no longer available. It weighs around twice as much as the newer model; the Gaggia Classic. The crema that this beauty produces makes my daily espresso look like a mini version of an expertly-poured Guinness.

[boboakalfb]

snip...instead of putting the puck in the garbage bin, put it in the fridge. It will absorb any unwanted fragrances that are swirling around the fridge...snip .

I don't know if I would do that with the Aeropress puck...you will end up with a mess when the puck falls apart.

[jvcjbl]

Wish me luck gents... going to head downstairs and give this new found contraption a go for the first time. :scared:

[Austin]

You wouldn't be related to jbc? :lol:

Constant leakage? Please explain yourself.
Super steep? It's the press that requires steeping.
Bad reviews? Certainly not on this site.

I used a french press for over twenty years, and have half a dozen of them. Not one has been used since I bought an Aeropress.

:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

I too am a convert. I have used the french press for 10 years and the Aeropress is better.

[jvcjbl]

Welp... I followed the instructions Ouch gave me by making 2 seperate batches with 2 heaping scoops and water up to the 2 line. The aeropress makes coffee a lot smoother than i am used to so based on the first 3 sips I just took (still too hot for my liking right now) I seems way way way took weak. If something changes once it cools a bit I will report but I think tomorrow I am going to have to kick it up about 20 notches. I think I may make the grind a hair finer, I went on the edge of my fine settings and I am going to turn it down one more notch towards fine.

[Newfie]

On the slim chance that there is someone else on the planet who didn't know this, after you pour yourself an espresso and knock the used puck out, instead of putting the puck in the garbage bin, put it in the fridge. It will absorb any unwanted fragrances that are swirling around the fridge (leaving more room for your favorite beer). ...snip

Well Jeremy, your slim chance worked, 'cause I didn't know it!!! How long does it last before you change it?? The Bride changes boxes of Baking Soda monthly.


snip...It weighs around twice as much as the newer model; the Gaggia Classic. The crema that this beauty produces makes my daily espresso look like a mini version of an expertly-poured Guinness.

You mean like this:

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Newfie_Winger/Coffee/Shot1002.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Newfie_Winger/Coffee/Shot1003.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i108/Newfie_Winger/Coffee/Shot1004.jpg

[Must Dash]

Spot on. Same beautiful little Gaggia, same result, even the same espresso cup. How did you get into my kitchen?

As for changing the pucks in the fridge, I keep a saucer on one of the shelves, usually add a puck or two during the week and then change the whole thing once a week. Works a treat.

Cheers

Jeremy

[Arthur J Cummings]

There is a price cusp somewhere around $300. If you are paying less than that, then among the options it probably doesn't matter much. Making the jump to a burr grinder in that price range will have a huge difference in your coffee (and is a must for espresso). Above that there are diminishing returns, unless you are a total nutjob about coffee, which many are.

I got a Rancilio Rocky a couple of months ago and I was blown away by the improvement in coffee, especially French Press, drip, etc. It is just so uniform that you are producing very little sludge and extracting everything perfectly. Alas, my Rocky is defective at its lowest grind settings, so I think I am going to get a Mazzer or similar high-end grinder instead.

I haven't tried the Solis, but many people like them for non-espresso preparations.
I have a post on this in Speakeasy. As a result of your's and others recommendations I purchased a Rancilio Rocky today.. It's on it's way Thanks!

Art Cummings= connman

[Padron]

I have a post on this in Speakeasy. As a result of your's and others recommendations I purchased a Rancilio Rocky today.. It's on it's way Thanks!

Art Cummings= connman

Sweet, that looks like a very nice grinder, does anyone have the Rancilio Sylvia?

Thanks to everyone here, I have been looking at the Rancilio Sylvia / Rocky Combo, any thoughts?

[Scotto]

Sweet, that looks like a very nice grinder, does anyone have the Rancilio Sylvia?

Thanks to everyone here, I have been looking at the Rancilio Sylvia / Rocky Combo, any thoughts?

You'll find zillions of bytes of info relative to that combination on the web. Happy reading. As an owner of both machines, I can tell you the following:

(1) The conventional wisdom is correct: Silvia is indeed a persnickety little witch when it comes to grind
(2) Once mastered, Silvia can produce wicked espresso, but the learning curve is steep*
(3) Rocky didn't work well with Silvia. He is now relegated to French Press, drip, etc. grinding while my Mazzer Mini stands tall for espresso.

As usual, YMMV and all that.

*In an odd way, I like Silvia's quirks. It makes me feel manly to have bent her to my will.

[Padron]

Great info, thanks Scotto.

I have been reading quite a bit on the pair. Interesting that the Rocky wasn't working well in regards to grind for Silvia, I will be re-thinking the combo now.

Thanks :smile: