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rickboone1
09-22-2009, 09:27 PM
Do you shine your own shoes? Or do you even shine your shoes?

When I was in high school all the way up until I got out of law enforcement I shined with KIWI or some other wax. Melting the wax, spit shining. This was good for those types of shoes.

I love a shined shoe. It's like a pressed shirt and a BBS face.

I don't spend as much time on my shoes now, couldn't really make THAT a hobby. But, I do shine them with this stuff I found. I like it because it is green/ safe. I'm a bit of an environmentalist.

http://quickcareproducts.com/shoecare.htm

There's a product just for leather dress shoes that you wipe on and let dry. Seems to work fairly well. I used it on my couch but it left it kind of tacky feeling. I use something else for the couch now.

Try them out. See what you think. Let me know.

What do you use now? I'm up for other suggestions too. I'd love to have a barber shop with a shoe shine in it. But, that's not around here so I have to make do with this.

Jim
09-22-2009, 09:30 PM
Why do you keep posting links to these products?

rickboone1
09-22-2009, 09:47 PM
Define "these" products.

People post what they use all day long. That's what the entire board consists of. Asking for recomnedations, suggestions and telling what we liked and don't like about our products.

There's posts for hats, colognes, creams, shoes, etc.

This is a product I use and I like. I was asking what other things people like and use. That way I can try those if I so desired. And, people can try this product if they so desired.

Same reasons others post topics. :biggrin:

Why do you ask?

The Knize
09-22-2009, 11:34 PM
FWIW seems useful to me to have the product link. Makes it clear what we are talking about. I have not used that one. I guess I like Lincoln "stain wax" paste shoe polish the best, but I find it dries out very quickly in the can. I am always tossing out cans with more than 1/2 left that have gotten dried out, so I am discouraged.

I have also been using glycerine saddle soap, but I am not sure it is good for my shoes or not.

rickboone1
09-22-2009, 11:40 PM
I agree. Too often people suggest something and I have no clue where to get it.

I think I may come across as I am selling something. Sorry, I am a salesman. It's what I do. I pitch and market products.


Anywho...yeah, the product I mentioned I saw it at our state fair a few years ago. It's all I've been using as of late.

Linclon wax! Yep! I remember that!! Couldn't think of the name of it. Gosh, may get some just to have a go at it. It has yellow letters on the can, right?

I always put a little water in the can before closing it. Mine never dried out that I can recall. But, I did use it quite often, so may not of had a chance.

And, I'd set fire to it sometimes, melting it. Ahh...the days....

I swear, I am going to start a franchise of old school barber shops that straight razor shave and shine shoes.

The Knize
09-23-2009, 12:03 AM
Yellow letters, for sure. (I have not financial interest in this product!) I have put water in the can, too. Just does not do it. I probably do not polish my shoes often enough. I have never tried the fire business. I have put a hair drier to it to heat it up and used a hair drier on the shoes after a coating of polish.

Old barber shops had a lot going for them. Hard to find a decent shoe shine these days, or a decently priced one. Used to be a professinal shine was always better than what I could do on my own.

rickboone1
09-23-2009, 12:14 AM
I agree. They truly did.

Hughies_online
09-23-2009, 01:06 AM
I polish my shoes weekly with Kiwi. Done this all the way through the army and then as a police officer. I use the normal black polish though. Never the parade gloss. I can increase the luster using the normal black polish by spit shining but can't be bothered doing this anymore. I really dislike the look of scruffy shoes and find I can get better mileage from my shoes by looking after them.

rickboone1
09-23-2009, 01:49 AM
I agree. I think it's true what people say about your shoes making an impression.

When I worked in law enforcement I shined, but dulled them. Didn't want a glossy surface to show my whereabouts if I was in the dark looking for someone. But, polish was used in order to get rid of scuffs and give them a neat and clean appearance. Now, if I was in Class A dress uniform...then it was on.

I would shine my shoes so well, then hold it up to my face and shave with the reflection.

13th Duke of Wymbourne
09-23-2009, 01:59 AM
I have used Kiwi Parade Gloss for about the last 10 years, I have tried others along the way but they have never been as good.

ambrose
09-23-2009, 02:27 AM
I like to get my boots shined I dont do it myself.

rickboone1
09-23-2009, 02:30 AM
If there were folks near me to do it, I would! Used to be able to go to the airport and have it done, but you don't even see that anymore.

Cuttingboard
09-23-2009, 06:21 AM
I have several pairs of shoes that I rotate during the work week and I'll sit down and polish a couple pairs while watching football on Saturday or Sunday afternoon. I use the Cole Haan branded shoe polish since I buy a pair of shoe trees and polish each time I buy a pair of shoes. Shoe trees are extremely important to maitaining the life of your shoes.

The Knize
09-23-2009, 09:29 AM
I polish my shoes weekly with Kiwi. Done this all the way through the army and then as a police officer. I use the normal black polish though. Never the parade gloss. I can increase the luster using the normal black polish by spit shining but can't be bothered doing this anymore. I really dislike the look of scruffy shoes and find I can get better mileage from my shoes by looking after them.

Is not using parade gloss just the look you do not like or some other reason. I think PG has a good deal of silicon in it which always worried me as to whether it ws hurting the leather, but I have heard mixed things about whether it does.

Agree re shoe trees' importances.

What are folks using for saddle soap and or lotions? Does anyone use anything else like some of those saddle preservatives? I have had mixed results?

Anyone figure out how to get rid of or minimize cracks once they are there?

Bayamontate
09-23-2009, 09:44 AM
I swear, I am going to start a franchise of old school barber shops that straight razor shave and shine shoes.

There's was place in Connecticut where you could not only get a your haircut, a shave and shoes shined but you could smoke a cigar during the whole process. Loved that place. Haven't been there in a while.

Sluggo
09-23-2009, 10:09 AM
I go to a shoe shine booth. Pay $10, and chat about sports, women, life...it is good times. And the result is far better than what I could do.

Cuttingboard
09-23-2009, 11:05 AM
What are folks using for saddle soap and or lotions? Does anyone use anything else like some of those saddle preservatives? I have had mixed results?

Anyone figure out how to get rid of or minimize cracks once they are there?

I believe saddle soap is used to clean-off dirt and old wax/polish and then followed by a wax/polish.

I remember a product called Lexol at many shoe cobblers, not sure what it does...?

Mer
09-23-2009, 11:05 AM
I've had one of these for years.

http://www.shoecaresupplies.com/product_p/236.htm

My Dad had one when I was growing up so I shined his work shoes. Purchased one for myself when I moved into my own house. Definitely makes it easier for me.

The Knize
09-23-2009, 11:16 AM
I believe saddle soap is used to clean-off dirt and old wax/polish and then followed by a wax/polish.

I remember a product called Lexol at many shoe cobblers, not sure what it does...?

There are all different kinds of saddle soaps and any number of other products out there. Have a look at a saddle shop some time! I will remember the name of one product in particular that was suggested to me and post later. Very thick stuff.

Lexol makes leather cleaners and conditioners and no telling what else. Good stuff from what I can tell. Not specific to shoes. I have seen pros use rubbing alcohol to clean off the leather and I suppose clean off polish. Other have said important to use conditioners after the shine, whereas I think most use conditioner before polish.

rickboone1
09-23-2009, 11:19 AM
Saddle soap is a conditioner more than anything. At least, that's what I've always understood. A shoe guru or leather worker may jump in and set it all straight.

Kiwi and such DOES have things in it that can in fact dry out your leather. Cause cracking. The theory is you'll keep applying. Perhaps it is done so on purpose so you keep using and buying their product. And, true you always will hear mixed things. None of my shoes have ever been hurt by polishing them.

This other stuff I use in the link, is "supposed" to have more natural and "safe" ingredients, so I don't worry as much. Even still, they'll be long gone and worn out before any of that happens.

I have just started using Shoe Trees. Really helps, especially when traveling.

Roman414
09-23-2009, 11:39 AM
I can't even remember the last time I saw a shoe shine stand. Yeah, I shine mine, the way I learned in the Navy. I enjoy doing it, it is relaxing. I use the regular KIWI polish and an old cotton tee shirt. A little water in the lid of the can (I always considered spit unsanitary), apply it to a s small area at a time, work in little circles...Takes me back to my youth. The ship is standing off some great liberty port, maybe Subic Bay, going to pull in at daybreak. You can smell the land. No one can sleep, we all have Chnnel Fever. THe lights are still on, way past taps. Our "dress canvas" (best uniforms) are brushed and pressed, everyone is sitting around shining their shoes to a mirror gloss, discussing our plans for when we hit the beach. Remembering previous visits, favorite bars, good friends, old girl friends...shining my shoes evokes those old memories. When Corfam shoes came out, imitation leather that does not require polish, a lot of sailors switched to them. Until they discovered that the material does not breath, they bake your feet on a hot parade ground or ship's deck. And in a fire they melt onto your feet! Leather is the thing for shoes, and frequent polishing keeps it in good shape forever.

Bill Smith
09-23-2009, 05:25 PM
I take good care of my shoes, shining my dress shoes up (Allen Edmonds and Cole Haan) and treating my casual footwear (deck shoes and Blundstone boots). Take care of them, they will take care you your feet.

If I see someone with unpolished dress shoes, my opinion of them drops, sort of not looking after the details.

mark the shoeshine boy
09-23-2009, 07:58 PM
i use a saddle soap after a few weeks of wearing the shoes....i hardly get mine that dirty, so i brush or wipe them off and reapply some polish, then i finish them off with a shine rag.

saddle soap can be both a conditioner and cleaner.....i used both creams and pastes and really havent noticed any difference.

i just clean em then shine em....done....next !!!!

Roman414
09-23-2009, 08:05 PM
Yeah, when you think about it, shoes are your most basic foirn of transportation. What a useful invention! And given basic care, a good pair will last forever. I have a pair of half-wellingtons I bought back in the 1970's. I put new heels on them a couple of times, clean them up with saddle soap every few years to keep the leather supple. When I sit down and put a good shine on them, the satisfaction is similar to what I get from a good shave. Makes me look good, whether I am in a suit or a pair of faded jeans. Puts a little spring in my step.

rickboone1
09-23-2009, 08:15 PM
Start posting pictures of those shined shoes!

A spit shoe shine pictorial should be put up for reference.

*** Anyone recommend a good dress shoe brand that is comfortable? I work on my feet all day on concrete floors. I need a good, comfortable shoe. I was suggested Johnson & Murphy but have yet to try them.

I've tried every insole known to man. While some help, the problem is they often are too thick and cause more displeasure and pain rather than help as my heel sticks too far out of the shoe.

Jim
09-23-2009, 09:39 PM
http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php?t=57369 (http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php?t=57369)

gaj90027
09-24-2009, 02:03 AM
Start posting pictures of those shined shoes!

A spit shoe shine pictorial should be put up for reference.

*** Anyone recommend a good dress shoe brand that is comfortable? I work on my feet all day on concrete floors. I need a good, comfortable shoe. I was suggested Johnson & Murphy but have yet to try them.

I've tried every insole known to man. While some help, the problem is they often are too thick and cause more displeasure and pain rather than help as my heel sticks too far out of the shoe.

Clarks is a great brand. They are more on the casual side of dress shoes but they are so comfortable (I have 2 pairs):

http://clarks.zappos.com/n/es/d/722668889/page/1.html

The Knize
09-24-2009, 07:59 AM
Ko Cho Line leather dressing and Chelsea leather food were the two Brit products I was thinking of. The former is definitely a saddlery product originally.

The other product made by several places is glycerine saddle soap. Easy to use. Put a nice quick shine on shoes. But I wonder if it is really good for them or not.

Also I like Dynashine liquid for edges and scuffs. Darn hard to find these days though. Most "edge treatment" seems way too thick, shiny, and slow to dry.

When I worked in a plant that had concrete floors we wore shoes that had desert boot type crepe bottoms. I assume that is what the Clarks have. Concrete is very hard on feet, back, and for some reason will give one hemroids! So it is worth figuring out so way to get some cushioning.

thebikingengineer
09-24-2009, 03:46 PM
I usually get a couple of layers of Meltonian cream on the shoe before I spit shine it using KIWI. I've never had any problems and can (eventually) get near-mirror finishes on dress shoes. Semi-frequent re-polishing plus gratuitous use of cedar shoe trees mean that I have great faith in the longevity of my shoes.

Roman414
09-24-2009, 05:23 PM
Ditto on the Dyanshine for edges and scuffs, but I haven't seen it anywhere in years.

The Knize
09-24-2009, 05:37 PM
Ditto on the Dyanshine for edges and scuffs, but I haven't seen it anywhere in years.

Yeah, isn't it weird that that has happened? I just did a tour around the net. You can still find it, so they must still make it, but there seems to be fewer places that carry it than the last time I Googled it.

Edge dressing I guess they call what I, and assume you, use it for. It was really made as an all over shoe polish n mind, and I can see how sales would go down for it for that purpose. Seems like it would be drying for leather. But is works great on edges, and regular edge dressing just seems horrible. I really was not interested in painting the edge of my soles a shiny, drippy black. I would like they to be nicely and evenly the color of my shoes though.

1OldGI
09-24-2009, 06:42 PM
I must confess my shoe shining came to an abrupt halt when I retired from the military and for a while so did my shaving for that matter :lol: My shaving came back so maybe shoe shining will come back in time too. I really don't see much of a way for shoe shining to be fun though. I also seem to have developed a mental block against black shoes. I never wear them and in fact most of the time my shoes of choice are buck oxfords, brown Doc Martens, and of course Florida Old Fart standard issue Sperry Topsiders.

Bluemidknight
09-24-2009, 06:52 PM
I must confess my shoe shining came to an abrupt halt when I retired from the military and for a while so did my shaving for that matter :lol:

I second that!

I just give a good black brushing on my work boots and call it a day.. still got those parade boots in the box, a little wet dusting and they'll still shine like a gem.. Who in their right minds want to polish shoes???? The minor scuffle mark or imperfection of the wax coating is magnify.. and it sort of sounds wrong when you go to your buddy and say "Hey man lots pop some cold ones and shine our shoes." :blink:

JdB
09-27-2009, 08:25 AM
[QUOTE=rickboone1;1489325]

I love a shined shoe. It's like a pressed shirt and a BBS face.QUOTE]

Exactly right! Shoe shining is ZEN, just like ironing and shaving!

MoreSaltThanPepper
09-27-2009, 07:10 PM
I was about to start a thread of my own when I saw this one and decided to post my rambling here.

I was letting some shoe polish dry before getting to the buffing this afternoon.

Someone I know and usually take the word of pointed out that I am the only one on our side of the office (actually, a separate building) that does anything with clothes at all.

No, I don't mean I work with nudists. Despite the fact that I --at least 60 % of the time-- am in the field for work, I brush the dust off my shoes and polish them in a meticulous order (that any old army guy would recognize) and take an iron to my clothes before work.

We're not "officially" allowed to wear jeans at work (and I don't anyway because I don't like them) but most of the guys do anyway, along with nylon hikers, various kinds of flannel shirts and the like.

I don't wear a suit or anything but I put on slacks and muted print single pocket shirts for work and about once a week, a tie. The fact that I change to field boots (also polished, by the way) and coveralls (clean and pressed) three days a week doesn't even enter my head.

The little whispering bird was right in that I am all alone in our building in doing this but I feel naked if I go out to work or a social function any other way.

Comments?

Regards,

- John

The Knize
09-27-2009, 07:42 PM
I think in the corporate world one should generally dress like one's more or less immediate superiors that seem successful.

Clothing, whether we like it or not, or mean it or not, carries a lot of symbolism. Wearing jeans, although not officially allowed, for instance, may be a statement or individuality or non-conformity or may come across that way whether meant that way or not.

So long as what you are wearing does not make you seem like you are some rigid old guy that cannot adapt, seems like you are okay or better. Your dress may be making a statement that you do not approve of the sloth you perceive around you. That may or may not be advantegeous to you. To me, hate to admit it but getting kind of old myself, what you are most likely projecting is that you are serious about your job, and that also you are dressing appropriate to your age and your background. Nothing worse that some older guy uncomfortably trying to fit in with younger folks by dressing the way they do. It does not make them appear younger!

MoreSaltThanPepper
09-28-2009, 09:23 AM
I think in the corporate world one should generally dress like one's more or less immediate superiors that seem successful.

Clothing, whether we like it or not, or mean it or not, carries a lot of symbolism. Wearing jeans, although not officially allowed, for instance, may be a statement or individuality or non-conformity or may come across that way whether meant that way or not.

Actually, I should have clarified this. The building I work in is largely comprised of people who spend some amount of time in the field, hence the jeans. Your note about dressing like your boss is valid most of the time; in this particular case, the boss is the last guy standing. My immediate boss was doing my job right up until the day I was hired, a couple of months ago and HE became the boss because his boss had left. In short, I don't know if that "rule" applies at my asylum, err, I mean employer.



So long as what you are wearing does not make you seem like you are some rigid old guy that cannot adapt, seems like you are okay or better. Your dress may be making a statement that you do not approve of the sloth you perceive around you. That may or may not be advantegeous to you. To me, hate to admit it but getting kind of old myself, what you are most likely projecting is that you are serious about your job, and that also you are dressing appropriate to your age and your background. Nothing worse that some older guy uncomfortably trying to fit in with younger folks by dressing the way they do. It does not make them appear younger!

:lol: No, it sure doesn't. I guess the point of my post is: do I dress like this because I believe I should look at least semi-professional or do I dress like this because I was trained to by what is the most old fashioned of institutions? You are correct, by the way: I do not approve of my co-workers meeting with clients while looking like they dressed by cashing a welfare cheque at the SallyAnn store.

Regards,

- John

GenErich
09-28-2009, 10:39 AM
Hi everyone! Ah, a can of kiwi....one of the best (and most masculine) smells out there. There's just something therapuetic about the routine, from the perfectly engineered can of polish to brushing your shoes and after a little elbow grease, seeing your reflection in your shoes.

My father gave me the rudimentary class when I was 17 using his military shoe-shine kit. Then, it didn't make sense to me. After a stint in the military myself, everything became clear. It's all about a sense of pride in self and accomplishment.

Shined shoes present better, and no, windex on patent leather does not count as putting a shine to your shoes! :tongue_sm But I can tell you what does work: Time and patience. Sure, you can put a Zippo to your shoe, but let us be practical for a moment...we are men, after all and what are men if not practical beings? If you put a flame to your skin, it wouldn't like it. Shoe leather is no different. Just don't do it. Any kind of heat is bad for leather. I know in our society, everyone wants instant results. I have tried all the fads while I was running amok with the Army, from placing my boots in the oven to flaming them with a zippo to using a hair dryer....all of these melt the polish to get it into the pores of the leather, but these methods dry out and damage the leather. Yeah, they work, but so does the old-fashioned t-shirt wrapped around the fingers...and the latter won't damage your shoes.

Now, what works? Allow me to give you a step by step for new shoes and your old beaters as well.

1. Clean your shoes with saddle soap following the instructions on the tin and allow them to dry completely.
2. Brush shine your shoes. This amounts to adding some polish to your shoes with either a brush or cloth and using another brush to clean off the excess polish. Do this a few times to build up a base coat. Once you have a base coat well-established, you can...
3. Spit shine. This is adding very THIN layers of polish, one over the other to attain a deep, high-gloss shine. This is where I think a lot of folks get lost. This is easy once you learn the proper way to do it. Use a very soft t shirt or cloth wrapped around your fingers and wet it with water (I keep mine in the top lid of the wax tin), then tap the surface of the polish once or twice. THAT IS IT. You don't want more polish than that. Now, apply to your shoe in a circular motion until all the swirls are gone, using a very light touch. Keep the cloth moist. When you see the swirls disappear, add more polish as per above.

If you notice the polish stripping off when you are spit shining, it means the base coat is not well established yet, the cloth is too dry, you are using too much pressure or adding too much polish at one time.

Once you have it down, it is a snap to maintain. And people notice. :001_smile

jwhite
09-28-2009, 12:07 PM
Is not using parade gloss just the look you do not like or some other reason. I think PG has a good deal of silicon in it which always worried me as to whether it ws hurting the leather, but I have heard mixed things about whether it does.

Agree re shoe trees' importances.

What are folks using for saddle soap and or lotions? Does anyone use anything else like some of those saddle preservatives? I have had mixed results?

Anyone figure out how to get rid of or minimize cracks once they are there?

I have a fair amount of leather items and if the leather really needs some love I use Wolverine leather conditioner for oil cured leather. I massage it into the leather with an old soft bristle tooth brush paying special attention to any seams or lacing, (if shoes lacing removed), let sit for a few and buff out with a clean cotton rag. I use neatsfoot oil for regular cleaning or maintenance. I wear deck shoes or loafers most of the time so that keeps them looking good as well as long wearing. I typically walk the soles trough before I have any issue with the uppers. Though credit belongs to the manufacturer as well for providing a well made shoe to start with.

The Knize
09-28-2009, 12:10 PM
<I guess the point of my post is: do I dress like this because I believe I should look at least semi-professional or do I dress like this because I was trained to by what is the most old fashioned of institutions? >

Well, I have a limited ability to "look into your soul" on this! <G> You have put too much thought into it for it to be simply habit "trained to by what is the most old fashioned of institutions." I think you want to and should "look at least semi-professional." Your question may be what passes for "semi-professional" these days. I am not exactly sure what you do, but I sure do not remember ever interacting with someone in a professional setting and thinking they were too well groomed, with is what shining one's shoes and pressing one's clothes amounts to. I myself like a tie in a business setting, so if you are trying to impress me, it would work!

dpm802
09-28-2009, 12:11 PM
I just give my shoes a quick dust-off with a horsehair brush ... when they need to be shined (about every 2~3 months,) I put them in to the shoe-store and let the cobbler do it.

My current brand of shoes is RedWing, I have two pair and will probably get a third soon. RedWing offers a life-time warranty and will give my shoes a "tune-up" any time I want, which includes new laces, cleaning, shining, and waterproofing for free.

The Knize
09-28-2009, 12:13 PM
I have a fair amount of leather items and if the leather really needs some love I use Wolverine leather conditioner for oil cured leather. I massage it into the leather with an old soft bristle tooth brush paying special attention to any seams or lacing, (if shoes lacing removed), let sit for a few and buff out with a clean cotton rag. I use neatsfoot oil for regular cleaning or maintenance. I wear deck shoes or loafers most of the time so that keeps them looking good as well as long wearing. I typically walk the soles trough before I have any issue with the uppers. Though credit belongs to the manufacturer as well for providing a well made shoe to start with.

Those sound like good tips. I am generally talking expensive dress shoes shoes here that have been through at least one set of soles already! You actually use neats foot oil and wolverine condtioner on dress shoes I take it. I sure never would have used that Ko Cho Line leather dressing on dress shoes unless someone I trusted had advised it!

jwhite
09-28-2009, 12:59 PM
Those sound like good tips. I am generally talking expensive dress shoes shoes here that have been through at least one set of soles already! You actually use neats foot oil and wolverine condtioner on dress shoes I take it. I sure never would have used that Ko Cho Line leather dressing on dress shoes unless someone I trusted had advised it!

I use neats foot oil on a cotton cloth and give a wipe down paying special attention to any scuffs than wipe off any residue after wearing my dress shoes, I usually polish before wearing them. You had mentioned small cracks for this I would use the leather conditioner as I described earlier. It will remove/dull old polish but it will do a far better job of restoring the leather than polish alone will. Let the shoes sit at least over night before polishing, and it might take a couple of polishes to rebuild a deep shine if that's what your going for, but the leather will regain much of it elasticity and should protect against further damage.

jwhite
09-28-2009, 01:09 PM
I should mention that these products can darken leather, but I have noticed no ill effects. If the shoes are all ready cracking their use is already at risk. I love these products but I would recommend that you try on a worn pair that you feel is already pretty much a loss to see the effects before risking a fine pair on my say so.