The MMA Thread [Archive] - Page 7

SRock

09-04-2010, 07:21 AM

dunno about the redirection mate,

i don't know if people got heated, what's the big deal and who gives a rats azz what i or anyone else thinks anyways. its just talk and if people get riled up with opposing views over something that in the end means nothing then blah.

problem with society is that it easily caters for the easily riled.

I'd drink to that brother. Unfortunately these days thats the nature of the beast.

Its all good.

On a totally different subject... Did you see your boy Randy Couture in The Expendables?

Total action flick for sure!

Kenno

09-04-2010, 07:31 AM

I'd drink to that brother. Unfortunately these days thats the nature of the beast.

Its all good.

On a totally different subject... Did you see your boy Randy Couture in The Expendables?

Total action flick for sure!

yeah i liked it, randy did ok, some great fight scenes and very funny moments. especially when they were in a bit of trouble and terry crews comes in to save the day with that gun, bang bang bang, lmao and so did the theatre but then the idiot tosses the gun when the building was falling around him i screamed not the gun you idiot!

stalone on letterman reckons if all the guys on set were to get it on it would be randy sitting on top of everyone chewing a chocolate bar. i reckon that's bull, it would've been toney after he ate everyone elses chocolate bar.

you seen it?

SRock

09-04-2010, 04:21 PM

yeah i liked it, randy did ok, some great fight scenes and very funny moments. especially when they were in a bit of trouble and terry crews comes in to save the day with that gun, bang bang bang, lmao and so did the theatre but then the idiot tosses the gun when the building was falling around him i screamed not the gun you idiot!

stalone on letterman reckons if all the guys on set were to get it on it would be randy sitting on top of everyone chewing a chocolate bar. i reckon that's bull, it would've been toney after he ate everyone elses chocolate bar.

you seen it?

I could see that. Except for maybe Jet Li. I think he'd certainly have a fair shake against Randy despite being the "smaller" guy. :lol:

azmark

09-09-2010, 04:42 PM

I don't follow MMA except for what my neighbor talks about. If anyone gets Fox Sports, he's fighting tonight. Eric Larkin.

TimmyBoston

09-09-2010, 08:50 PM

UFC Fight Night 15 - Next Wednesday

Nate Marquardt vs. Rousimar Palhares
Efrain Escudero vs. Charles Oliveira
Jim Miller vs. Gleison Tibau
Cole Miller vs. Ross Pearson
Yves Edwards vs. John Gunderson
Jared Hamman vs. Kyle Kingsbury
Rich Attonito vs. Rafael Natal
David Mitchell vs. Anthony Waldburger
Brian Foster vs. Forrest Petz
Tomasz Drwal vs. Dave Branch

Here's my predictions. Some of these are wild guesses.

azmark

09-10-2010, 12:39 AM

I don't follow MMA except for what my neighbor talks about. If anyone gets Fox Sports, he's fighting tonight. Eric Larkin.

Well he beat the hell out of his opponent and won by submission 2:20 in the first round. I guess the "hype" that they're giving him is staring to show.

SRock

09-10-2010, 02:26 AM

Well he beat the hell out of his opponent and won by submission 2:20 in the first round. I guess the "hype" that they're giving him is staring to show.

:cool:

UFC Fight Night 15 - Next Wednesday

Nate Marquardt vs. Rousimar Palhares
Efrain Escudero vs. Charles Oliveira
Jim Miller vs. Gleison Tibau
Cole Miller vs. Ross Pearson
Yves Edwards vs. John Gunderson
Jared Hamman vs. Kyle Kingsbury
Rich Attonito vs. Rafael Natal
David Mitchell vs. Anthony Waldburger
Brian Foster vs. Forrest Petz
Tomasz Drwal vs. Dave Branch

Here's my predictions. Some of these are wild guesses.

Nothing on this card really interests me that much. I will say that they UFC shouldn't have brought back Yves Edwards and one of my troops calls Rousimar Palhares "Lego Head" because when he has hair it looks like it just snaps on and off like Legos. That is all.

Sullybob

09-10-2010, 05:25 AM

Well he beat the hell out of his opponent and won by submission 2:20 in the first round. I guess the "hype" that they're giving him is staring to show.

I didn't see the fight, but I did some reading on him. He sounds like he is going to do very well in MMA.

:cool:

Nothing on this card really interests me that much. I will say that they UFC shouldn't have brought back Yves Edwards and one of my troops calls Rousimar Palhares "Lego Head" because when he has hair it looks like it just snaps on and off like Legos. That is all.

"Lego head" haha. My wife worked with a guy who had what we called "snap on hair"

Nate Marquardt vs. Rousimar Palhares
Efrain Escudero vs. Charles Oliveira
Jim Miller vs. Gleison Tibau
Cole Miller vs. Ross Pearson
Yves Edwards vs. John Gunderson
Jared Hamman vs. Kyle Kingsbury
Rich Attonito vs. Rafael Natal
David Mitchell vs. Anthony Waldburger
Brian Foster vs. Forrest Petz
Tomasz Drwal vs. Dave Branch

I really like Nate and I hope that he can fight his way back to another title shot.
I honestly don't know how its possible for Gleison to be a light weight. I think that his massive size advantage will help him beat Jim.
I think Cole takes Ross, just because I like Cole.

I don't know enough about the rest of the card to make any predictions other then wild guesses :001_smile

azmark

09-10-2010, 07:26 AM

I didn't see the fight, but I did some reading on him. He sounds like he is going to do very well in MMA.

He's getting a hard time because there are a lot of wrestling followers who know of him and he's getting a lot of critics. I'm sure he'll do well, he has the Bellator tournament coming up.

SmoovD

09-10-2010, 07:29 AM

I hope Nate crushes Paul Harris. If someone deserves it, he does.

TimmyBoston

09-15-2010, 10:15 AM

Any last thoughts for the card tonight?

TimmyBoston

09-15-2010, 09:01 PM

I missed the fights tonight, was Marquardt greased?

The Nid Hog

09-16-2010, 01:13 AM

I missed the fights tonight, was Marquardt greased?

I just watched an interview with Greg Jackson on Sherdog. He said that Marquardt wasn't greased.

Seriously, he said that they expected that Palhares would go for something like this and they've been training counters for the last couple of months. On top of that, Marquardt said that he warmed up pretty intensively before the fight so that he would be slippery with sweat. He was checked out after the fight and found to be clean. Does that mean that he didn't grease? No. And I was pretty amazed to see how easily he escaped (but I haven't gone back and watched it again). On the other hand, Palhares paid the price for losing his focus on the match. Flat on my back with the former King of Pancrase standing over me is not when I'd be waving to Herb Dean.

SRock

09-16-2010, 04:33 AM

SmoovD

09-16-2010, 07:35 AM

I just watched an interview with Greg Jackson on Sherdog. He said that Marquardt wasn't greased.

Seriously, he said that they expected that Palhares would go for something like this and they've been training counters for the last couple of months. On top of that, Marquardt said that he warmed up pretty intensively before the fight so that he would be slippery with sweat. He was checked out after the fight and found to be clean. Does that mean that he didn't grease? No. And I was pretty amazed to see how easily he escaped (but I haven't gone back and watched it again). On the other hand, Palhares paid the price for losing his focus on the match. Flat on my back with the former King of Pancrase standing over me is not when I'd be waving to Herb Dean.

+10

I missed the Miller/Pearson fight but caught the highlights. The result was a bit of a shock. The Miller/Tibau fight was two submission guys striking. Oliveira looked impressive against Escudero. My guess is that Escudero completely misjudged the level of competition. He looked lost.

The Nid Hog

09-17-2010, 08:16 AM

+10

I missed the Miller/Pearson fight but caught the highlights. The result was a bit of a shock. The Miller/Tibau fight was two submission guys striking. Oliveira looked impressive against Escudero. My guess is that Escudero completely misjudged the level of competition. He looked lost.

I think you have that right on Escudero. After the first round, he had a look of grim disbelief on his face, couldn't really get any kicks going and never found his range. Maybe the VCR was broken at his gym. I thought that Oliveira's finish was really exciting--it'll be interesting to see him against opponents who bring more to the cage.

SRock

09-17-2010, 05:22 PM

TimmyBoston

09-18-2010, 01:52 AM

"Lego Head" has now made a public apology and acknowledged that he simply lost to Nate.

I read the same thing today. I need to find a tape of the fight. My gut says Marquardt wasn't greased up, but its certainly possible. Hopefully he wasn't, I was pulling for him, but I don't want anyone to cheat.

SRock

09-18-2010, 02:07 AM

I read the same thing today. I need to find a tape of the fight. My gut says Marquardt wasn't greased up, but its certainly possible. Hopefully he wasn't, I was pulling for him, but I don't want anyone to cheat.

Everyone on both sides says Nate wasn't greased up. I don't think he'd need to cheat. I think this is one of those much ado about nothing's that come up from time to time. I didn't get to see the fight, but I'm going to look around online and see if I can find it.

SmoovD

09-18-2010, 04:28 PM

Everyone on both sides says Nate wasn't greased up. I don't think he'd need to cheat. I think this is one of those much ado about nothing's that come up from time to time. I didn't get to see the fight, but I'm going to look around online and see if I can find it.

Nate did slip the leg lock attempt very easily but I really doubt he was greased. He was checked before and immediately after the fight with no grease found. I think he was broke a good sweat in preparation. Good idea.

The Nid Hog

09-18-2010, 07:14 PM

Looks like UFC 123 is going to be built around guys who are scrambling to stay in the picture. Rampage v. Machida is going to be backed up with Hughes v. Penn. It's like veteran's day--should be pretty good.

TimmyBoston

09-18-2010, 08:45 PM

I wish they had given Penn a better fight than Matt Hughes. That's sad.

The Nid Hog

09-19-2010, 02:42 AM

I wish they had given Penn a better fight than Matt Hughes. That's sad.

I think it's a safe fight for the UFC. None of the up and coming competitors will have their reputations tarnished by the outcome. They can spin a good storyline around the "rematch" and they probably think that Penn will tune him up. If he doesn't, he doesn't belong in the UFC anymore. If he does, it generates some good video, regains some prestige and Hughes cashes a check.

Did you see that Sonnen popped positive for performance enhancing drugs? What a lousy conclusion to a great fight. I bet that puts the breaks on the rematch with Silva.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/CSAC-Sonnen-Positive-for-PEDs-at-UFC-117-26978

TimmyBoston

09-19-2010, 03:01 AM

Did you see that Sonnen popped positive for performance enhancing drugs? What a lousy conclusion to a great fight. I bet that puts the breaks on the rematch with Silva.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/CSAC-Sonnen-Positive-for-PEDs-at-UFC-117-26978

First I've heard of it. That really screws up the middleweight division. He'll be back, but I doubt he'll be fighting Anderson again. This really sucks, I was looking forward to that fight.

The Nid Hog

09-19-2010, 04:01 AM

SRock

09-19-2010, 04:25 AM

First I've heard of it. That really screws up the middleweight division. He'll be back, but I doubt he'll be fighting Anderson again. This really sucks, I was looking forward to that fight.

+1

Yeah, if this all proves to be true, he could be looking at a year-long suspension. At 33, he doesn't need a year of inactivity. I think we'll see him in the cage again, but probably not in contention.

Also, I was just looking at Sonnen's record. Not that this has anything to do with anything, but he was beaten by Jeremy Horn three times in two years. That's pretty crazy.

Horn has managed to beat some big competitors in his career and there are those instances where one fighter just has another's number. I mean look at Dennis Hallman. He's never lost to Matt Hughes. In fact in over 20 fights (early in Hughes career) Hallman was the only guy to beat Hughes.

The Nid Hog

09-19-2010, 04:48 AM

Horn has managed to beat some big competitors in his career and there are those instances where one fighter just has another's number. I mean look at Dennis Hallman. He's never lost to Matt Hughes. In fact in over 20 fights (early in Hughes career) Hallman was the only guy to beat Hughes.

I love Horn. In fact, I think he's awesome. I just thought that it was interesting that there was this span in Sonnen's career where he was getting tooled by Jeremy Horn every six months.

SRock

09-20-2010, 05:08 AM

What are your thoughts on Hughes/Penn 3 (http://communities.canada.com/theprovince/blogs/keyboard-kimura/archive/2010/09/15/hughes-vs-penn-3-booked-for-ufc-123.aspx)? Do we really need a rubber match?

What are everyone's pics for this weekend?

I love Horn. In fact, I think he's awesome. I just thought that it was interesting that there was this span in Sonnen's career where he was getting tooled by Jeremy Horn every six months.

I agree. Horn is one of those great MMA practitioners that doesn't always get the respect he's deserving of. My point wasn't anything negative against Jeremy Horn just that he had his number and sometimes that seems to happen between certain fighters.

Sullybob

09-20-2010, 06:04 AM

I think it's a safe fight for the UFC. None of the up and coming competitors will have their reputations tarnished by the outcome. They can spin a good storyline around the "rematch" and they probably think that Penn will tune him up. If he doesn't, he doesn't belong in the UFC anymore. If he does, it generates some good video, regains some prestige and Hughes cashes a check.

Did you see that Sonnen popped positive for performance enhancing drugs? What a lousy conclusion to a great fight. I bet that puts the breaks on the rematch with Silva.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/CSAC-Sonnen-Positive-for-PEDs-at-UFC-117-26978

I was going to post the link. I think its really sad.

What are your thoughts on Hughes/Penn 3 (http://communities.canada.com/theprovince/blogs/keyboard-kimura/archive/2010/09/15/hughes-vs-penn-3-booked-for-ufc-123.aspx)? Do we really need a rubber match?

What are everyone's pics for this weekend?

I agree. Horn is one of those great MMA practitioners that doesn't always get the respect he's deserving of. My point wasn't anything negative against Jeremy Horn just that he had his number and sometimes that seems to happen between certain fighters.

I have no desire to see a Hughes vs Penn 3. I think its a mistake for Penn to fight at middleweight. If he beats Hughes, then what? I don't see him fighting GSP again and winning.

TimmyBoston

09-20-2010, 04:40 PM

I could care less about Hughes/Penn 3. I wonder if BJ is considering a permanent move to 170.

SRock

09-21-2010, 04:10 AM

I was going to post the link. I think its really sad.

I have no desire to see a Hughes vs Penn 3. I think its a mistake for Penn to fight at middleweight. If he beats Hughes, then what? I don't see him fighting GSP again and winning.

I agree if Hughes wins they might twist it for a chance for him to get another title shot, but I don't see him dethroning GSP. If BJ wins then what? He's already proven he can't hang at 170 and not he can't hang at his natural weight either. I think BJ should refocus at 155 if he's going to be a serious contender.

I could care less about Hughes/Penn 3. I wonder if BJ is considering a permanent move to 170.

Why bother, he'd get destroyed by at least the top 4 welter weights.

Sullybob

09-21-2010, 06:07 AM

I could care less about Hughes/Penn 3. I wonder if BJ is considering a permanent move to 170.

I hope not. Like Rob said, he'd get destroyed by the top WW's.

I agree if Hughes wins they might twist it for a chance for him to get another title shot, but I don't see him dethroning GSP. If BJ wins then what? He's already proven he can't hang at 170 and not he can't hang at his natural weight either. I think BJ should refocus at 155 if he's going to be a serious contender.

Why bother, he'd get destroyed by at least the top 4 welter weights.

If Hughes wins I think it would be a mistake for him to get a title shot. I don't think that he can beat GSP or Kosheck or any of the other top 4 guys.

CB_DoubleEdge

09-21-2010, 07:14 AM

If Hughes wins I think it would be a mistake for him to get a title shot. I don't think that he can beat GSP or Kosheck or any of the other top 4 guys.

I think Hughes is on the Hall of Fame circuit now. He's still a great fighter but will never be champ again. It makes sense to give him fights that interest him or will draw fan interest.

Along that line of thought...

I think Hughes' next fight should be against the winner of Karo/Hallman.

Hallman has two wins over Hughes and I know Hughes would love to have a win over Hallman before retiring.

There isn't that kind of history with Karo but they should have met years ago. Injury and other issues kept them apart. Better late than never.

Granted, neither of those fights draws a lot of fans. But Hughes will never fight outside the UFC. They'll take care of him and offer him the fights he wants.

SRock

09-21-2010, 02:26 PM

I hope not. Like Rob said, he'd get destroyed by the top WW's.

If Hughes wins I think it would be a mistake for him to get a title shot. I don't think that he can beat GSP or Kosheck or any of the other top 4 guys.

I agree. I think this is purely a case of setting up PPV sales.

I think Hughes is on the Hall of Fame circuit now. He's still a great fighter but will never be champ again. It makes sense to give him fights that interest him or will draw fan interest.

Along that line of thought...

I think Hughes' next fight should be against the winner of Karo/Hallman.

Hallman has two wins over Hughes and I know Hughes would love to have a win over Hallman before retiring.

There isn't that kind of history with Karo but they should have met years ago. Injury and other issues kept them apart. Better late than never.

Granted, neither of those fights draws a lot of fans. But Hughes will never fight outside the UFC. They'll take care of him and offer him the fights he wants.

I can't believe we haven't seen this fight already. I figured that was the only reason the UFC signed Hallman.

The Nid Hog

09-21-2010, 02:37 PM

I've been a Penn fan for years and I'd like to see him get back on track. However, I don't see what this fight does for him. Like I said before, i see the UFC marketing strategy, but it doesn't seem to fit any long-term plan for Penn. Which might be exactly Penn's problem. If I were Penn, I wold have tried to get the UFC to bring in Aoki. I think it would sell, and it would give him a more reasonable target. If he worked out his own kinks in training, he'd be where he needs to be to remain relevant. If he decides on a permanent move up in weight, he might as well move to a new promotion too.

TimmyBoston

09-23-2010, 10:05 PM

CB_DoubleEdge

09-24-2010, 07:02 AM

Predictions for UFC 119

Frank Mir vs. Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira vs. Ryan Bader
Matt Serra vs. Chris Lytle
Evan Dunham vs. Sean Sherk
Jeremy Stephens vs. Melvin Guillard
C.B. Dollaway vs. Joe Doerksen
Matt Mitrione vs. Joey Beltran
Waylon Lowe vs. Steve Lopez
T.J. Grant vs. Julio Paulino
Mark Hunt vs. Sean McCorkle
Thiago Tavares vs. Pat Audinwood

Much like UFC 110, I think it is a shame people aren't going to order this event. The names aren't the biggest but the main event match-ups are fantastic. Folks that pass on this like they did UFC 110 and WEC 48 are going to regret it.

I can't put my finger on it exactly but I love Mark Hunt. I'm glad he is finally getting his fights. I saw a picture of him in training the other day and didn't even recognize him. I'm anxious for the weigh-ins to see if he is as thin as he appeared to be. Hopefully he puts on a show and makes it onto the Spike or PPV broadcast.

Weigh-ins are being shown live at 3pm EST.

Also, don't forget about Dream 16 tonight on HDNet. Broadcast begins at 2am EST.

CB_DoubleEdge

09-24-2010, 01:18 PM

Everyone came in on weight for UFC 119.

Hunt came in at 265. I was hoping for a fitter Hunt. The guy he is fighting looked enormous next to him.

The Nid Hog

09-25-2010, 02:26 AM

I'm looking forward to this one. It's kind of like old-timer's night. Because of that, I don't really feel like making any picks. I don't have any money on the fights and most of the fighters I like are going to get beat.

I do like Mir and think he's going to take the win, but I hope that Mirko puts on a good show. While it's been a while since he looked like the Balkan killing machine that he was in Pride, he seems like more of a regular Joe in the last couple of interviews that I've seen. I'd like to see him go out with style.

I hope that Bader has a good showing too. To be honest, I don't find him a very exciting fighter and I'd much rather see Little Nog starch him. However, since I think that he's likely to win, I hope he does it some way other than grinding from top position for three rounds.

Serra? You gotta love that guy, but I think he's going to get thrashed. Same with Sherk--the last couple years have not been kind to him and I'll be surprised if he adapts to the challenge. Plus I think that Dunham is just too good.

I'd like to see Hunt do well too. How many fights does the UFC owe him? It would be nice to see him come somewhere close to a win.

Anyway, this should be an enjoyable card. It starts here at 7:00 on Sunday night, so I'll have to dodge the results until then. Plus there's a Pride event from Nagoya for added MMA goodness.

CB_DoubleEdge

09-25-2010, 08:48 AM

I'd like to see Hunt do well too. How many fights does the UFC owe him? It would be nice to see him come somewhere close to a win.

If I remember correctly he was owed one fight. He signed a new four fight contract.

Of course he can be dumped after tonight if the UFC so chooses.

SmoovD

09-25-2010, 08:51 AM

Much like UFC 110, I think it is a shame people aren't going to order this event. The names aren't the biggest but the main event match-ups are fantastic. Folks that pass on this like they did UFC 110 and WEC 48 are going to regret it.

I can't put my finger on it exactly but I love Mark Hunt. I'm glad he is finally getting his fights. I saw a picture of him in training the other day and didn't even recognize him. I'm anxious for the weigh-ins to see if he is as thin as he appeared to be. Hopefully he puts on a show and makes it onto the Spike or PPV broadcast.

Weigh-ins are being shown live at 3pm EST.

Also, don't forget about Dream 16 tonight on HDNet. Broadcast begins at 2am EST.

Main event is nothing exciting but the undercard could be quite entertaining. The Dunham/Sherk fight and Stephens/Guillard fight both should be fun to watch. I think Bader grinds out Little Nog. The main event is strange because of the history of both fighters. Mirko is past his prime and you never really know which Mir is going to enter the ring. I will have to go with Frank.

The Nid Hog

09-25-2010, 09:11 AM

I just finished watching the regular Dream broadcast. Not very exciting. Jason Miller looked sharp against the shattered remains of what was once my favorite fighter. Ishii continued to disappoint, tossing Minowaman around for the duration of the fight as if he had never heard the word "submission." Maybe he's going to put it all together, but i think he's going to be a dud. Hansen also looked pretty good--seems comfortable with his weight cut. Despite some careless moments, Mousasi notched a fairly easy win. I missed the Aoki fight, as well as some of the featherweight matches--gotta catch them on line.

TimmyBoston

09-25-2010, 02:00 PM

If I remember correctly he was owed one fight. He signed a new four fight contract.

Of course he can be dumped after tonight if the UFC so chooses.

That's what I read too. He has to win tonight or he's dropped.

SRock

09-25-2010, 06:08 PM

I gotta get my predictions in quick before this one starts:

Frank Mir vs. Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic (Via Submission, though I'd rather see a Cro Cop KO kick)
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira vs. Ryan Bader (By decision)
Matt Serra vs. Chris Lytle (By decision)
Evan Dunham vs. Sean Sherk (Submission or possible decision)
Jeremy Stephens vs. Melvin Guillard (KO)
C.B. Dollaway vs. Joe Doerksen (Stoppage/TKO)
Matt Mitrione vs. Joey Beltran (Stoppage/TKO)
Waylon Lowe vs. Steve Lopez (Submission)
T.J. Grant vs. Julio Paulino (Decision)
Mark Hunt vs. Sean McCorkle (Not sure by what on this one)
Thiago Tavares vs. Pat Audinwood (Decision)

TimmyBoston

09-25-2010, 11:00 PM

Too many of the decisions were terrible tonight. All in all such mediocre fights. I was bored most of the night. I'm very grateful I didn't shell up a few hundred bucks to see it in person. Evan Dunham beat Sean Sherk. It was by far the best fight of the night, but Sherk lost, it was close, but he lost. I'm a Bader fan and I really really wanted to see Lil Nog lose, but I thought Minotauro won too. I also would have given the fight the fight to Jeremy Stevens 29-28. Anyone who scored that fight 30-27 Guillard was high. Yet another night for judging reform in MMA.... :001_rolle Why do they even let Cecil Peoples watch the fights, let alone judge them????

SRock

09-26-2010, 01:41 AM

OK, so lets see how I did this go around:

Frank Mir vs. Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira vs. Ryan Bader
Matt Serra vs. Chris Lytle
Evan Dunham vs. Sean Sherk
Jeremy Stephens vs. Melvin Guillard (KO)
C.B. Dollaway vs. Joe Doerksen
Matt Mitrione vs. Joey Beltran
Waylon Lowe vs. Steve Lopez
T.J. Grant vs. Julio Paulino
Mark Hunt vs. Sean McCorkle
Thiago Tavares vs. Pat Audinwood

All in all I only missed two on the entire card. I was happy to see Bader pull off the win. I thought Lil Nog would eek out a decision but I'm happy I was wrong on this one.

Too many of the decisions were terrible tonight. All in all such mediocre fights. I was bored most of the night. I'm very grateful I didn't shell up a few hundred bucks to see it in person. Evan Dunham beat Sean Sherk. It was by far the best fight of the night, but Sherk lost, it was close, but he lost. I'm a Bader fan and I really really wanted to see Lil Nog lose, but I thought Minotauro won too. I also would have given the fight the fight to Jeremy Stevens 29-28. Anyone who scored that fight 30-27 Guillard was high. Yet another night for judging reform in MMA.... :001_rolle Why do they even let Cecil Peoples watch the fights, let alone judge them????

OK, so bad judging, mediocre judging and good judging aside 90% of the card went exactly as I thought it would. I didn't like that so many went to a decision, but it happens. I called the split decision in the Guillard fight down to the judge that saw it so lopsided. I thought the Bader/Nog fight could have gone either way. To be honest I didn't see a definitive win for either of them and suspected a split decision would be the deciding factor and was shocked that it was unanimous for Bader. As far as the Sherk/Dunham fight is concerned I actually agreed with that one. The judges were smart enough to realize that Dunham wasn't going to choke out the Muscle Shark so there was no point in giving him submission attempt points when everyone (I suspect even Dunham) knew they were futile. This was another that I called a split before they announced it. I figured it could go either way, but suspected the Shark would eek out the decision. Although Dunham may have out struck Sherk. It will be interesting to see the FightMetric on this one. Mirko Cro Cop needs to retire and Frank Mir should be ashamed at how he fought that fight. They both looked like a couple of aging old cripples trying to relive their prime. Hard to believe that Mir is barely over 30.

Kenno

09-26-2010, 05:52 AM

Hard to believe that Mir is barely over 30.

i think lesnar did a number on him.

The Nid Hog

09-26-2010, 07:09 AM

Evan Dunham beat Sean Sherk. It was by far the best fight of the night, but Sherk lost, it was close, but he lost. I'm a Bader fan and I really really wanted to see Lil Nog lose, but I thought Minotauro won too.

I completely agree with you about Dunham. The only way judges could possibly score that fight for Sherk is if they live in a universe divorced from the rules of the space/time continuum as we know them. I could see giving Round 1 to Sherk, but as the fight progressed, Dunham came back from a very close call and really asserted himself. By the end of the fight, Sherk was swinging those little meat pegs of his for all he was worth, but Dunham was working him. I think that Sherk fought a noble fight and I wouldn't want to take anything from him. But you shouldn't have to kill Sherk to get the W.

I'm less convinced that Little Nog should have won, but it was another middling performance by Bader. All hype aside, I don't think he has what it takes to be a real contender in the division.

UFC 119 was a pleasant way to pass the time, but I'm glad that I didn't have to pay for the PPV let alone for a seat in the crowd. They should be grateful that FEG was able to put together an event so mediocre in every way that it makes 119 shine in comparison.

CB_DoubleEdge

09-26-2010, 01:53 PM

Sullybob

09-26-2010, 01:59 PM

I bet this guy feels like an idiot about now...

:lol::lol:
Nah, everyone makes mistakes. If it makes you feel any better I didn't see 119 because I just wasn't excited enough to go see and get up for work the next day. I felt like a fool after that event.

SRock

09-26-2010, 05:49 PM

i think lesnar did a number on him.

I don't think he's ever been quite right since his motorcycle crash either.

SRock

09-26-2010, 05:51 PM

UFC 119 was a pleasant way to pass the time, but I'm glad that I didn't have to pay for the PPV let alone for a seat in the crowd. They should be grateful that FEG was able to put together an event so mediocre in every way that it makes 119 shine in comparison.

I couldn't agree more.

TimmyBoston

09-26-2010, 09:47 PM

I don't think he's ever been quite right since his motorcycle crash either.

Bingo.

Additionally, I believe with the drastic improvement in the sport in the past 5 years he'll never again be world champ.

Sullybob

09-27-2010, 04:11 AM

Bingo.

Additionally, I believe with the drastic improvement in the sport in the past 5 years he'll never again be world champ.

I believe the same thing about Hughes.

SRock

09-27-2010, 04:22 AM

Bingo.

Additionally, I believe with the drastic improvement in the sport in the past 5 years he'll never again be world champ.

I believe the same thing about Hughes.

I agree with both of you. I also think as long as he bounces around every time he has a loss we might be able to lump BJ Penn in here as well.

Sullybob

09-27-2010, 05:32 AM

I agree with both of you. I also think as long as he bounces around every time he has a loss we might be able to lump BJ Penn in here as well.

I agree with that.

I also think BJ needs to get in a new training camp. One that holds him accountable and really pushes him.

The Nid Hog

09-27-2010, 05:54 AM

Sullybob

09-27-2010, 06:04 AM

I agree too. Unfortunately I don't think that is going to happen. That would require a degree of both humility and hunger that I don't think BJ has.

I wonder how much having a child has changed his attitude about fighting and training and his desire to continue fighting?

CB_DoubleEdge

09-27-2010, 06:37 AM

I agree too. Unfortunately I don't think that is going to happen. That would require a degree of both humility and hunger that I don't think BJ has.

BJ broke my heart when he split from Marinovich. Or perhaps more appropriately, when Marinovich dumped BJ.

I truly believe that under Marinovich BJ was unbeatable at LW.

The Nid Hog

09-27-2010, 06:40 AM

I wonder how much having a child has changed his attitude about fighting and training and his desire to continue fighting?

Good question. I don't know what it is, but there's been something off-kilter with that guy for a while now. I could see him never really getting back to form. It's a shame. I love watching him fight when he's on.

Kenno

09-27-2010, 07:19 AM

I don't think he's ever been quite right since his motorcycle crash either.

could be robbo, i also think he got lucky first time with brock, was cocky, got smashed and way overpowed next time which gave him severe doubt he could match it with lesnar and then carwin confirmed it. before brock he though he had it all to himself but the two gorillas took the jungle away from him. brock is just way too strong for him and shane way too powerful a puncher and where he never had a doubt before now he has plenty.

SRock

09-28-2010, 04:08 AM

I agree with that.

I also think BJ needs to get in a new training camp. One that holds him accountable and really pushes him.

I agree too. Unfortunately I don't think that is going to happen. That would require a degree of both humility and hunger that I don't think BJ has.

could be robbo, i also think he got lucky first time with brock, was cocky, got smashed and way overpowed next time which gave him severe doubt he could match it with lesnar and then carwin confirmed it. before brock he though he had it all to himself but the two gorillas took the jungle away from him. brock is just way too strong for him and shane way too powerful a puncher and where he never had a doubt before now he has plenty.

I agree, gents.

CB_DoubleEdge

09-28-2010, 06:30 AM

before brock he though he had it all to himself but the two gorillas took the jungle away from him.

I love that line.

SmoovD

09-30-2010, 07:05 PM

WEC 51 tonight. Anyone catching it on Versus? WEC cards are normally good and this one looks to be the same. Varner/Cerrone rematch and then Aldo/Gamburian (sp).

Aldo is a beast.

The Nid Hog

10-12-2010, 02:25 AM

Anybody watch Strikeforce this weekend? I will admit to watching it on my laptop, so I didn't have an ideal view for all the fights. However, the broadcast only froze up once, so I can't complain.

Strikeforce continues to have title fights that fall well below the level of talent that you'd find in a UFC championship bout. However, I don't think that the level is necessarily below what you'd find in a UFC broadcast--maybe even better than some of the preliminaries. Overall, I don't think that the card was that bad. I am not a huge fan of women's MMA, but Coenen looked good in her victory over Sarah Kaufman. I read that she's slated to fight again in a Golden Glory event in about a week and a half--that's pretty hardcore.

Thomson v. Cavalcante was pretty good too. I scored it for Cavalcante, but Thomson got the win after some shaky ciphering by the judges--and he called out the judges for it too. If Cavalcante had been a little more active, maybe the judges would have woken up and given it to him.

Diaz and Noons pounded each other for five rounds that went, fairly I think, to Diaz. Even so, it was not an epic victory for Diaz, who was more tentative than usual on his feet and couldn't really get the fight to the ground. Despite his insistence that he wanted to beat Noons in the standup, they really need to get somebody up there to Stockton to teach taketdowns. Supposedly Noons broke his hand and his jaw early in the fight, but he gutted it out and didn't embarrass himself. I only scored him taking one round, but there were a couple that could have gone either way.

The broadcast wasn't too bad, but Strikeforce should really use the prelims to fill in dead time between fights, like the UFC does. As it is, the pace is pretty slow. I like Frank Shamrock and Pat Miletich on the broadcast team, but I could live without Mauro Ranallo. The woman who does the backstage interviews is terrible too.

Overall, not bad. I don't feel like I wasted a couple hours of my life unnecessarily. Watching Strikeforce is like finding an old, dusty can of diet Shasta in the fridge when you're looking for a Coke. It might not be what you want, it might not even be very good, but it's better than nothing.

SRock

10-12-2010, 03:45 AM

Anybody watch Strikeforce this weekend?

Diaz and Noons pounded each other for five rounds that went, fairly I think, to Diaz. Even so, it was not an epic victory for Diaz, who was more tentative than usual on his feet and couldn't really get the fight to the ground. Despite his insistence that he wanted to beat Noons in the standup, they really need to get somebody up there to Stockton to teach taketdowns. Supposedly Noons broke his hand and his jaw early in the fight, but he gutted it out and didn't embarrass himself. I only scored him taking one round, but there were a couple that could have gone either way.

This was the only fight I saw, and I saw it the same as you. I'd give one round to Noons but overall Diaz won that fight. It wasn't epic and in the end it wasn't that entertaining either. I do agree that many of Strikeforces title fights are better than UFC pre-lims but many of their title holders/contenders would be lucky to be gate keepers in the UFC (not all but many).

The Nid Hog

10-12-2010, 11:32 AM

This was the only fight I saw, and I saw it the same as you. I'd give one round to Noons but overall Diaz won that fight. It wasn't epic and in the end it wasn't that entertaining either. I do agree that many of Strikeforces title fights are better than UFC pre-lims but many of their title holders/contenders would be lucky to be gate keepers in the UFC (not all but many).

i agree. In some ways, I like their relationship with Dream that allows fighters to compete in Japan too. Unfortunately, MMA seems to be on the decline in Japan and that doesn't bring as much to the promotion as it once would have. I think that Strikeforce could stand to have some better matchmaking, but there are some interesting fighters out there. Unfortunately, I think that most of them would probably be better if they were faced with the stiffer competition and higher expectations in the UFC. Even so, I'm glad that there is another active promotion out there. Of course, I watch all of the regional stuff on HD-NET and I even tuned in to Rio Heroes on line, so maybe my standards aren't the highest.

SRock

10-13-2010, 04:34 AM

i agree. In some ways, I like their relationship with Dream that allows fighters to compete in Japan too. Unfortunately, MMA seems to be on the decline in Japan and that doesn't bring as much to the promotion as it once would have. I think that Strikeforce could stand to have some better matchmaking, but there are some interesting fighters out there. Unfortunately, I think that most of them would probably be better if they were faced with the stiffer competition and higher expectations in the UFC. Even so, I'm glad that there is another active promotion out there. Of course, I watch all of the regional stuff on HD-NET and I even tuned in to Rio Heroes on line, so maybe my standards aren't the highest.

Actually, I'd say that makes your standards higher than most. You aren't a brand junkie. You appreciate MMA in all shapes, sizes and forms. :thumbup1:

The Nid Hog

10-13-2010, 05:05 AM

Actually, I'd say that makes your standards higher than most. You aren't a brand junkie. You appreciate MMA in all shapes, sizes and forms. :thumbup1:

I even heard it on the radio tonight! I was driving home from a meeting and AFN's AM channel was carrying the audio of a recent episode of the Ultimate Fighter. Everything came through quite clearly until it got to the fight. Since there was no play by play, the only way I could tell what was happening was by listening to GSP's instructions from the corner. Pretty interesting listen.

SRock

10-13-2010, 05:12 AM

I even heard it on the radio tonight! I was driving home from a meeting and AFN's AM channel was carrying the audio of a recent episode of the Ultimate Fighter. Everything came through quite clearly until it got to the fight. Since there was no play by play, the only way I could tell what was happening was by listening to GSP's instructions from the corner. Pretty interesting listen.

That's how I am. I watch whatever is on, Dream, Pride, UFC, Strikeforce, Belator, K-1. Heck I even watched World Combat League when it was on. I watch re-runs, DVD's and old fight greats. I can't get enough. When I'm forced to run on a dreadmill due to bad weather I do so re-watching my favorite fights.

Despite giving all of these organizations a little love I still think Mauro Ranallo is the single worst announcer in MMA. :lol:

Sullybob

10-13-2010, 05:57 AM

That's how I am. I watch whatever is on, Dream, Pride, UFC, Strikeforce, Belator, K-1. Heck I even watched World Combat League when it was on. I watch re-runs, DVD's and old fight greats. I can't get enough. When I'm forced to run on a dreadmill due to bad weather I do so re-watching my favorite fights.

Despite giving all of these organizations a little love I still think Mauro Ranallo is the single worst announcer in MMA. :lol:

I think the same thing. :lol::lol:

The Nid Hog

10-13-2010, 07:53 AM

Despite giving all of these organizations a little love I still think Mauro Ranallo is the single worst announcer in MMA. :lol:

I think the same thing. :lol::lol:

No arguments from me either. And his hair makes me crazy.

Any picks for UFC 120? I am officially not excited, but I'll watch it.

SRock

10-14-2010, 03:44 AM

No arguments from me either. And his hair makes me crazy.

Any picks for UFC 120? I am officially not excited, but I'll watch it.

That's where I stand as well. I'm looking forward to UFC 121 though! :thumbup1:

The Nid Hog

10-14-2010, 05:40 AM

SRock

10-15-2010, 04:39 AM

I'd like to see both Bisping and Hardy get knocked out, but I don't think that the MMA gods will allow that. Since I'm pretty sure that Hardy is going to starch Condit, maybe Akiyama will be able to clock Bisping early on and then pound him out. Or better yet, a flying arm bar at 1:15 in the first.

Oh man, that would make this a stellar show!

I too will be happy with an Akiyama defeat of Michael "The Queen" Bisping. A KO would be even better!

Sullybob

10-15-2010, 06:41 AM

I'd like to see both Bisping and Hardy get knocked out, but I don't think that the MMA gods will allow that. Since I'm pretty sure that Hardy is going to starch Condit, maybe Akiyama will be able to clock Bisping early on and then pound him out. Or better yet, a flying arm bar at 1:15 in the first.

I'm excited to see these fights. I'd really like to see both Bisping and Hardy KO'ed.

Oh man, that would make this a stellar show!

I too will be happy with an Akiyama defeat of Michael "The Queen" Bisping. A KO would be even better!

Or a round or two of total domination by Akiyama followed by a KO.

SRock

10-15-2010, 06:44 AM

I'm excited to see these fights. I'd really like to see both Bisping and Hardy KO'ed.

Or a round or two of total domination by Akiyama followed by a KO.

Maybe we can collectively will Bisping to a loss?

Thoughts on Hamill vs. Ortiz?

SRock

10-15-2010, 06:46 AM

Maybe we can collectively will Bisping to a loss?

Thoughts on Hamill vs. Ortiz?

BTW, Hamill the Movie?!? (http://www.hamillthemovie.com/index.php)

Sullybob

10-15-2010, 06:51 AM

Maybe we can collectively will Bisping to a loss?

Thoughts on Hamill vs. Ortiz?

I try to will Bisping to lose each time he fights. :lol:

I have several thoughts on this fight.

Ortiz hasn't fought in a while. How did his surgery go?

Tito and Matt seemed to be pretty good friends, (at least on the show) will Matt be able to fight at his full potential?

I wondered if Hamill held back when he fought Franklin because he was fighting someone he looked up to.

That said. Hamill takes it and Tito will have a really good excuse I mean reason why he couldn't fight at his full potential.

SRock

10-15-2010, 06:59 AM

I try to will Bisping to lose each time he fights. :lol:

I have several thoughts on this fight.

Ortiz hasn't fought in a while. How did his surgery go?

Tito and Matt seemed to be pretty good friends, (at least on the show) will Matt be able to fight at his full potential?

I wondered if Hamill held back when he fought Franklin because he was fighting someone he looked up to.

That said. Hamill takes it and Tito will have a really good excuse I mean reason why he couldn't fight at his full potential.

"I try to will Bisping to lose each time he fights." :lol::lol:

I agree, he'll have an excuse for sure if he loses to Hamill.

TimmyBoston

10-15-2010, 09:07 AM

I agree, he'll have an excuse for sure if he loses to Hamill.

Without a doubt.

TimmyBoston

10-16-2010, 12:52 AM

My predictions for UFC 120

Preliminary card
Light Heavyweight bout: James McSweeney vs. Fabio Maldonado
Lightweight bout: Spencer Fisher vs. Kurt Warburton
Lightweight bout: Paul Sass vs. Mark Holst
Heavyweight bout: Rob Broughton vs. Vinicius Queiroz
Light Heavyweight bout: Cyrille Diabaté vs. Alexander Gustafsson

Main card
Welterweight bout: James Wilks vs. Claude Patrick
Heavyweight bout: Cheick Kongo vs. Travis Browne
Welterweight bout: John Hathaway vs. Mike Pyle
Welterweight bout: Dan Hardy vs. Carlos Condit
Middleweight bout: Michael Bisping vs. Yoshihiro Akiyama

SRock

10-16-2010, 01:54 AM

Timmy, thanks for doing the work :lol:

I was waiting for someone to do this so I could just edit to my pics. :thumbup1:

We only see a few of these different.

My predictions for UFC 120

Preliminary card
Light Heavyweight bout: James McSweeney vs. Fabio Maldonado
Lightweight bout: Spencer Fisher vs. Kurt Warburton
Lightweight bout: Paul Sass vs. Mark Holst
Heavyweight bout: Rob Broughton vs. Vinicius Queiroz
Light Heavyweight bout: Cyrille Diabaté vs. Alexander Gustafsson

Main card
Welterweight bout: James Wilks vs. Claude Patrick
Heavyweight bout: Cheick Kongo vs. Travis Browne
Welterweight bout: John Hathaway vs. Mike Pyle
Welterweight bout: Dan Hardy vs. Carlos Condit (I'm going with Hardy, but I hope I'm wrong!)
Middleweight bout: Michael Bisping vs. Yoshihiro Akiyama (Fight Metrics argue that Akiyama can pull this one off and I hope he does)

Sullybob

10-16-2010, 07:12 AM

(Fight Metrics argue that Akiyama can pull this one off and I hope he [/B]does)

Does fight metrics give pre-fight predictions based on old fight data?

I'd like to see Akiyama win because anyone who fights Bisping is my 5th favorite fighter :lol::lol:

Preliminary card
Light Heavyweight bout: James McSweeney vs. Fabio Maldonado
Lightweight bout: Spencer Fisher vs. Kurt Warburton
Lightweight bout: Paul Sass vs. Mark Holst
Heavyweight bout: Rob Broughton vs. Vinicius Queiroz
Light Heavyweight bout: Cyrille Diabaté vs. Alexander Gustafsson

Main card
Welterweight bout: James Wilks vs. Claude Patrick
Heavyweight bout: Cheick Kongo vs. Travis Browne
Welterweight bout: John Hathaway vs. Mike Pyle
Welterweight bout: Dan Hardy vs. Carlos Condit
Middleweight bout: Michael Bisping vs. Yoshihiro Akiyama

Some of the fights I have no clue who will win.

The Nid Hog

10-16-2010, 01:59 PM

Anybody watching UFC 120 live?

SRock

10-16-2010, 04:56 PM

Does fight metrics give pre-fight predictions based on old fight data?

I'd like to see Akiyama win because anyone who fights Bisping is my 5th favorite fighter :lol::lol:

Preliminary card
Light Heavyweight bout: James McSweeney vs. Fabio Maldonado
Lightweight bout: Spencer Fisher vs. Kurt Warburton
Lightweight bout: Paul Sass vs. Mark Holst
Heavyweight bout: Rob Broughton vs. Vinicius Queiroz
Light Heavyweight bout: Cyrille Diabaté vs. Alexander Gustafsson

Main card
Welterweight bout: James Wilks vs. Claude Patrick
Heavyweight bout: Cheick Kongo vs. Travis Browne
Welterweight bout: John Hathaway vs. Mike Pyle
Welterweight bout: Dan Hardy vs. Carlos Condit
Middleweight bout: Michael Bisping vs. Yoshihiro Akiyama

Some of the fights I have no clue who will win.

No, Fight Metric doesn't do predictions. But looking at their past data Sexyama gets hit less than Bisping and inflicts more damage than Bisping meaning from a historical standpoint his offense and defense are both better than "The Queen's".

Anybody watching UFC 120 live?

It isn't airing here for another 10 hours.

Sullybob

10-16-2010, 06:05 PM

Anybody watching UFC 120 live?

I'm watching it right now.

No, Fight Metric doesn't do predictions. But looking at their past data Sexyama gets hit less than Bisping and inflicts more damage than Bisping meaning from a historical standpoint his offense and defense are both better than "The Queen's".

It isn't airing here for another 10 hours.

Interesting, thanks.

SRock

10-16-2010, 06:33 PM

I'm watching it right now.

Interesting, thanks.

No problem!

OK, this is my last stop in this thread until after I watch 120 tonight. I don't want any spoilers.

The Nid Hog

10-16-2010, 08:01 PM

It isn't airing here for another 10 hours.

What? Am I the only person in Japan who stayed up until 0430 to watch it live???

TimmyBoston

10-16-2010, 09:08 PM

Condit looks awesome.

SRock

10-16-2010, 11:04 PM

What? Am I the only person in Japan who stayed up until 0430 to watch it live???

I only have AFN TV, it doesn't air until tonight. Unfortunately I heard the results on the radio. I'm glad Condit won but disappointed that Bisping got another decision in Europe.

TimmyBoston

10-16-2010, 11:51 PM

I only have AFN TV, it doesn't air until tonight. Unfortunately I heard the results on the radio. I'm glad Condit won but disappointed that Bisping got another decision in Europe.

I think Bisping earned his decision. He's a tool, but he beat Akiyama in my opinion. The first round was close, but could have easily gone to Bisping, 2 definitely to Bisping and I'd give Bisping the 3rd as well. Akiyama didn't look good after 2 minutes into the fight. It was very sad. He's got to change up his training. He can't close the distance with his striking and he needs to use his judo.

The Nid Hog

10-17-2010, 01:51 AM

I think Bisping earned his decision. He's a tool, but he beat Akiyama in my opinion. The first round was close, but could have easily gone to Bisping, 2 definitely to Bisping and I'd give Bisping the 3rd as well. Akiyama didn't look good after 2 minutes into the fight. It was very sad. He's got to change up his training. He can't close the distance with his striking and he needs to use his judo.

You're absolutely right. Akiyama was in better shape than his last time out, but he needs to get serious if he's going to be Zuffa's point man in Asia. It wasn't clear to me that he got all that much out of training at Greg Jackson's camp. Beyond conditioning, he needs to come in with a smart plan. Instead, it looks like all he did was watch highlights of Henderson v Bisping (a very short highlight reel anyway) and climb into the cage thinking that he'd do the same thing. I think that Bisping is terribly overrated and nothing happened in the fight last night to change my mind. What's more unfortunate is that I think that a well-prepared Akiyama could have demonstrated all of that in the first round. As it is, Bisping gets the W and I have to watch him in some other headline fight next year.

I have no desire to see Bisping/Wandy II either--if Wanderlei isn't 100% when he comes back, this will be another less-than-ideal matchup that lets an active Bisping win on points. Let's see him fight the loser of the Okami/Marquart fight, then maybe Sonnen when he comes back from his suspension (what is going on with that?). After that, I look forward to seeing him headline a card at Strikeforce Ramsbottom 2013.

The Nid Hog

10-17-2010, 02:37 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2N_z4gSoRU

Just to remind us of the link between MMA and wetshaving!

SRock

10-17-2010, 03:37 AM

OK, so how close was I this go 'round?

Preliminary card
Light Heavyweight bout: James McSweeney vs. Fabio Maldonado
Lightweight bout: Spencer Fisher vs. Kurt Warburton
Lightweight bout: Paul Sass vs. Mark Holst
Heavyweight bout: Rob Broughton vs. Vinicius Queiroz
Light Heavyweight bout: Cyrille Diabaté vs. Alexander Gustafsson

Main card
Welterweight bout: James Wilks vs. Claude Patrick
Heavyweight bout: Cheick Kongo vs. Travis Browne (I was half right) :lol:
Welterweight bout: John Hathaway vs. Mike Pyle
Welterweight bout: Dan Hardy vs. Carlos Condit (I'm going with Hardy, but I hope I'm wrong!) YES, YES, YES, I was wrong!!! :w00t::w00t::w00t:
Middleweight bout: Michael Bisping vs. Yoshihiro Akiyama (Fight Metrics argue that Akiyama can pull this one off and I hope he does) Man Akiyama HAS to fix his cardio if he's going to run with the big dogs. He should have owned Bisquick.

I did terrible this go 'round! :lol: I was 50% if you count the draw as 50/50 :lol:

That's a good thing though. When my picks are this far off that usually makes for a good group of fights.

I agree, unfortunately, that Bisping actually earned this decision.

SRock

10-17-2010, 05:54 AM

Fight Metric (http://blog.fightmetric.com/2010/10/bisping-vs-akiyama-fightmetric-report.html) shows that Bisping totally dominated Akiyama in their fight.

Bisping also appeared to be much more humble than usual. That I appreciated.

Sullybob

10-17-2010, 08:36 AM

TimmyBoston

10-17-2010, 09:59 AM

TimmyBoston

10-17-2010, 11:09 AM

One other thing, Mike Pyle looked great against Hathaway. His wrestling and control was very impressive.

His fight was concrete proof that British judges are completely incompetent when judging their home country's fighters efforts, round 2 was scored 10-9 Pyle. That round should have at least been 10-8. I would have scored it 10-7. Hathaway was held completely immobile and hit in the face at will for 3 minutes. 10-9, my ass....

Sullybob

10-17-2010, 01:22 PM

Kongo belongs in K1.

I'm thinking that way too.

One other thing, Mike Pyle looked great against Hathaway. His wrestling and control was very impressive.

His fight was concrete proof that British judges are completely incompetent when judging their home country's fighters efforts, round 2 was scored 10-9 Pyle. That round should have at least been 10-8. I would have scored it 10-7. Hathaway was held completely immobile and hit in the face at will for 3 minutes. 10-9, my ass....

I was pretty surprised it wasn't scored 10-8.

SRock

10-18-2010, 05:07 AM

What did you guys think of the Kongo-Browne fight? It seems like Kongo throws a lot of low blows to me, and he loves to hold the shorts. Do you think he should have lost another point for holding Browne's shorts? I think after the ref took the point from him, he still had to pull Kongo's hand off of Browne's shorts 4 more times in addition to numerous warnings. It seems to me that if you lost a point for breaking the rules you would stop breaking them.

Carlos looked good. I thought he got rocked a couple of times by Hardy, obviously he didn't get rocked hard enough to make a difference.

I thought that Bisping just plain out worked Akiyama.

It seemed like Akiyama was stuck on one technique, his right hand. He really didn't seem to do anything different to me. I thought his conditioning looked better then it did in the Leban fight but that is about it. I was excited to hear that he is training with Greg Jackson but it didn't seem to make a much of a difference. I don't know if it will take more time to develop new habits or if he isn't very coach able during a fight.

I thought Bisping looked really good.

I think Kongo should have lost another point. As far as Akiyama goes I think his cardio is just flat out sub par for a UFC fighter. If he'd step it up he'd be a danger!

Kongo belongs in K1.

'nuff said!

One other thing, Mike Pyle looked great against Hathaway. His wrestling and control was very impressive.

His fight was concrete proof that British judges are completely incompetent when judging their home country's fighters efforts, round 2 was scored 10-9 Pyle. That round should have at least been 10-8. I would have scored it 10-7. Hathaway was held completely immobile and hit in the face at will for 3 minutes. 10-9, my ass....

You got that right!

The Nid Hog

10-19-2010, 08:15 AM

Picks for UFC 121? It'll be here before you know it.

TimmyBoston

10-19-2010, 09:08 AM

Picks for UFC 121? It'll be here before you know it.

Can't wait!

Main card
Heavyweight Championship bout: Brock Lesnar (c) vs Cain Velasquez
Welterweight bout: Jake Shields vs. Martin Kampmann
Welterweight bout: Diego Sanchez vs. Paulo Thiago
Light Heavyweight bout: Tito Ortiz vs. Matt Hamill
Heavyweight bout: Brendan Schaub vs. Gabriel Gonzaga

Preliminary card (Spike TV)
Middleweight bout: Court McGee vs. Ryan Jensen
Middleweight bout: Patrick Côté vs. Tom Lawlor

Preliminary card
Welterweight bout: Mike Guymon vs. Daniel Roberts
Lightweight bout: Sam Stout vs. Paul Taylor
Middleweight bout: Chris Camozzi vs. Dong Yi Yang
Heavyweight bout: Jon Madsen vs. Gilbert Yvel

Sullybob

10-19-2010, 10:06 AM

I'll be out of town and wont get to watch the fights. :thumbdown

Main card
Heavyweight Championship bout: Brock Lesnar vs Cain Velasquez
Welterweight bout: Jake Shields vs. Martin Kampmann
Welterweight bout: Diego Sanchez vs. Paulo Thiago
Light Heavyweight bout: Tito Ortiz vs. Matt Hamill
Heavyweight bout: Brendan Schaub vs. Gabriel Gonzaga

Preliminary card (Spike TV)
Middleweight bout: Court McGee vs. Ryan Jensen
Middleweight bout: Patrick Côté vs. Tom Lawlor

Preliminary card
Welterweight bout: Mike Guymon vs. Daniel Roberts
Lightweight bout: Sam Stout vs. Paul Taylor
Middleweight bout: Chris Camozzi vs. Dong Yi Yang
Heavyweight bout: Jon Madsen vs. Gilbert Yvel

I think that Diego moving back up to middleweight was a bad idea.

The Nid Hog

10-20-2010, 07:48 AM

Here we go!

Main card
Heavyweight Championship bout: Brock Lesnar vs Cain Velasquez
Welterweight bout: Jake Shields vs. Martin Kampmann
Welterweight bout: Diego Sanchez vs. Paulo Thiago
Light Heavyweight bout: Tito Ortiz vs. Matt Hamill
Heavyweight bout: Brendan Schaub vs. Gabriel Gonzaga

Preliminary card (Spike TV)
Middleweight bout: Court McGee vs. Ryan Jensen
Middleweight bout: Patrick Côté vs. Tom Lawlor

Preliminary card
Welterweight bout: Mike Guymon vs. Daniel Roberts
Lightweight bout: Sam Stout vs. Paul Taylor
Middleweight bout: Chris Camozzi vs. Dong Yi Yang
Heavyweight bout: Jon Madsen vs. Gilbert Yvel

TimmyBoston

10-20-2010, 09:07 AM

Love him or hate him Brock Lesnar is a HUGE draw and they build awesome cards around the guy. This is going to be a great PPV. I really hope the Sam Stout/Paul Taylor fight makes the PPV, that could be a great matchup. I'd also really like to see Jon Madsen take on Yvel.

CB_DoubleEdge

10-20-2010, 09:33 AM

I'd also really like to see Jon Madsen take on Yvel.

I don't know, man. Madsen is pretty damn boring. An injured Rothwell was able to lay on Yvel to victory. Barnett got him down and pounded on him for what seemed like forever before it was stopped. He can be taken down and controlled, but isn't easy to finish*.

Of course I'd love to see Yvel light things up with his striking. That would be fun.

*And by that I'm referring to wrestlers, not a guy like JDS.

TimmyBoston

10-20-2010, 08:39 PM

I don't know, man. Madsen is pretty damn boring. An injured Rothwell was able to lay on Yvel to victory. .

It's your standard wrestler/striker matchup. They can be boring, but they can also be great.

TimmyBoston

10-22-2010, 09:55 AM

Rob, what are your predictions for 121?

SRock

10-22-2010, 11:42 PM

For what its worth, I really want to see Brock hold on to the HW title for several years. I didn't want to see him win it initially or so soon, but he did and he's looked great for a relative rookie. At this point I'd rather see Brock decimate 2 or 3 opponents a year for a few years. Who knows, if he can do that, and because he is an enormous draw for MMA maybe he can be the catalyst that lands Fedor in the UFC.

Rob, what are your predictions for 121?

Sorry brother, been busy:

Main card
Heavyweight Championship bout: Brock Lesnar vs Cain Velasquez
Brock is the bigger, stronger and faster man. Plus, he's the better wrestler. I see Brock keeping his title.

Welterweight bout: Jake Shields vs. Martin Kampmann
I think shields will pull this one off and then get his title shot.

Welterweight bout: Diego Sanchez vs. Paulo Thiago
This one is a tough call for me. At first thought I was going to go with Diego, but it really depends on which Diego we get come fight time.

Light Heavyweight bout: Tito Ortiz vs. Matt Hamill
This fight is Hamill's to lose. The Tito of old is no more.

Heavyweight bout: Brendan Schaub vs. Gabriel Gonzaga
I see gabe pulling off a win, but much like I said about Diego it really depends on which Gonzaga shows come fight time.

Preliminary card (Spike TV)
Middleweight bout: Court McGee vs. Ryan Jensen
Middleweight bout: Patrick Côté vs. Tom Lawlor

Preliminary card
Welterweight bout: Mike Guymon vs. Daniel Roberts
Lightweight bout: Sam Stout vs. Paul Taylor
Middleweight bout: Chris Camozzi vs. Dong Yi Yang
Heavyweight bout: Jon Madsen vs. Gilbert Yvel[/QUOTE]

TimmyBoston

10-23-2010, 01:01 AM

For what its worth, I really want to see Brock hold on to the HW title for several years. I didn't want to see him win it initially or so soon, but he did and he's looked great for a relative rookie. At this point I'd rather see Brock decimate 2 or 3 opponents a year for a few years. Who knows, if he can do that, and because he is an enormous draw for MMA maybe he can be the catalyst that lands Fedor in the UFC.

Sorry brother, been busy:

Main card
Heavyweight Championship bout: Brock Lesnar vs Cain Velasquez
Brock is the bigger, stronger and faster man. Plus, he's the better wrestler. I see Brock keeping his title.

Welterweight bout: Jake Shields vs. Martin Kampmann
I think shields will pull this one off and then get his title shot.

Welterweight bout: Diego Sanchez vs. Paulo Thiago
This one is a tough call for me. At first thought I was going to go with Diego, but it really depends on which Diego we get come fight time.

Light Heavyweight bout: Tito Ortiz vs. Matt Hamill
This fight is Hamill's to lose. The Tito of old is no more.

Heavyweight bout: Brendan Schaub vs. Gabriel Gonzaga
I see gabe pulling off a win, but much like I said about Diego it really depends on which Gonzaga shows come fight time.

Preliminary card (Spike TV)
Middleweight bout: Court McGee vs. Ryan Jensen
Middleweight bout: Patrick Côté vs. Tom Lawlor

Preliminary card
Welterweight bout: Mike Guymon vs. Daniel Roberts
Lightweight bout: Sam Stout vs. Paul Taylor
Middleweight bout: Chris Camozzi vs. Dong Yi Yang
Heavyweight bout: Jon Madsen vs. Gilbert Yvel[/QUOTE]

No worries brother, I just knew you'd want to get in on this before the fight went down.:thumbup1:

SRock

10-23-2010, 08:21 AM

No worries brother, I just knew you'd want to get in on this before the fight went down.:thumbup1:

:thumbup1::thumbup1:

SRock

10-23-2010, 09:24 PM

I went 6-5 on this card. There were a couple of obvious surprises IMHO.

Ok, so my thoughts and my picks results (I'm sure more thoughts will follow after I watch the replay):

Main card
Heavyweight Championship bout: Brock Lesnar vs Cain Velasquez
Brock is the bigger, stronger and faster man. Plus, he's the better wrestler. I see Brock keeping his title.
Holy CRAP! I was wrong. Brock's initial flurry looked great, but after that it was all Cain Velasquez. Um wow...:blink::huh::blink:

Welterweight bout: Jake Shields vs. Martin Kampmann
I think shields will pull this one off and then get his title shot.
Kampmann looked good after the first round. He landed some great knees and even held his own against a superior wrestler. Shields looked like he couldn't get going fully after round 2. There were some great scrambles. A split decision didn't surprise me at all though whoever gave all three rounds to Shields was high. Right pick aside, Shields didn't look anything like a guy deserving of a title shot.

Welterweight bout: Diego Sanchez vs. Paulo Thiago
This one is a tough call for me. At first thought I was going to go with Diego, but it really depends on which Diego we get come fight time.
He may not want to be called "The Nightmare" anymore but The Nightmare was there in Rd's. 2 & 3. Paulo dominated Rd. 1 but the rest was all Diego. Diego turned out to be "The Nightmare" and I was wrong. I expected to see Rd 1 repeat a few times and Paulo win by decision, but Diego got amped up and earned the win.

Light Heavyweight bout: Tito Ortiz vs. Matt Hamill
This fight is Hamill's to lose. The Tito of old is no more.
I hate to admit it, but Tito looked pretty good in Rd. 1. He was also graceful and respectful of Hamill in defeat. That said, Hamill owned him the rest of the way. His takedowns on Tito looked great! He busted Tito up! Any time Tito takes a whoopin' is a good time! No wins since 2006, should Tito retire?

Heavyweight bout: Brendan Schaub vs. Gabriel Gonzaga
I see gabe pulling off a win, but much like I said about Diego it really depends on which Gonzaga shows come fight time. Looks like we got the confused/unmotivated Gonzaga. He was constantly backed up and seemed to be struggling just to stay in the fight. Not trying to take anything away from Schaub, he looked really good, but I don't know if it was that he was really good or Gabe was just that bad?!?

Preliminary card (Spike TV)
Middleweight bout: Court McGee vs. Ryan Jensen Court had a rough start but came back with a fury!
Middleweight bout: Patrick Côté vs. Tom Lawlor We got the heartless Cote.

Preliminary card
Welterweight bout: Mike Guymon vs. Daniel Roberts He worked his submission awesomely!
Lightweight bout: Sam Stout vs. Paul Taylor
Middleweight bout: Chris Camozzi vs. Dong Yi Yang
Heavyweight bout: Jon Madsen vs. Gilbert Yvel

SRock

10-23-2010, 09:29 PM

One other thought. While Cain is most definitely a Mexican-American he is still just that, an American. Their advertising campaign about Cain becoming the "First Mexican Heavyweight Champion" really rubs me the wrong way.

Cain was born in Salinas, CA and was raised in Yuma, Ariz.

He's an American. Another American Heavyweight Champion.

The Nid Hog

10-23-2010, 09:29 PM

Ah, that was nice!

I missed a couple of picks tonight (one that I regretted as soon as I made it), but that main event made it all worthwhile. I hope that the freakshow is over for a while now.

SRock

10-23-2010, 09:33 PM

Ah, that was nice!

I missed a couple of picks tonight (one that I regretted as soon as I made it), but that main event made it all worthwhile. I hope that the freakshow is over for a while now.

:lol::lol:

Personally I hope Brock wins 2-3 fights against top competition and then gets his next title shot. As for Cain, who's his next opponent?

Leche

10-23-2010, 09:48 PM

:lol::lol:

Personally I hope Brock wins 2-3 fights against top competition and then gets his next title shot. As for Cain, who's his next opponent?

I was glad to see Cain whop on Brock. Brock's initial onslaught expelled a lot of energy and proved to be a waste of said energy. I feel Brock is pretty one dimensional and is always looking for that pound out. Once he gets well rounded though I think he'll be on the throne again.

SRock

10-23-2010, 09:55 PM

I was glad to see Cain whop on Brock. Brock's initial onslaught expelled a lot of energy and proved to be a waste of said energy. I feel Brock is pretty one dimensional and is always looking for that pound out. Once he gets well rounded though I think he'll be on the throne again.

I agree. His primary goal is to steamroll his opponent early and then pound them into submission. His defense is very weak. I think he'll be fine at stopping takedowns but blocking punches, kicks and submissions...

He definitely needs some work. That said, I don't see Cain reigning any longer than Brock has. The HW division is simply one of those that is hard to dominate.

The Nid Hog

10-23-2010, 09:55 PM

I think that Cain's supposed to fight Junior Dos Santos next. It's harder to say with Lesnar. He won't get a second bout with Carwin right away unless Carwin loses to Roy Nelson. Maybe another fight with Mir, although I can't believe that anybody will want to pay for that. There are always a few bottom feeders in the heavyweight division, but that's not very exciting either. Stone Cold Steve Austin?

SRock

10-23-2010, 09:57 PM

The Nid Hog

10-23-2010, 10:07 PM

What about Big Nog?

That would be possible, but at this point Big Nog seems pretty much shot to me. Doesn't mean that they won't make the fight, but I don't think he has it in him.

SRock

10-23-2010, 10:38 PM

That would be possible, but at this point Big Nog seems pretty much shot to me. Doesn't mean that they won't make the fight, but I don't think he has it in him.

I agree, but maybe he'd be a good tune up fight for a former champ on the road back?

I think the same of Tito, he's just done.

The Nid Hog

10-23-2010, 10:42 PM

I agree, but maybe he'd be a good tune up fight for a former champ on the road back?

I think the same of Tito, he's just done.

Yeah, I could easily see them make the fight to give Lesnar an easy W. What a sad way for a fighter of Big Nog's stature to exit the game.

SRock

10-23-2010, 10:45 PM

Yeah, I could easily see them make the fight to give Lesnar an easy W. What a sad way for a fighter of Big Nog's stature to exit the game.

I couldn't agree more. He is definitely the oldest young man in the game. He's just had too many battles with too many beasts.

Kenno

10-24-2010, 01:47 AM

3 months ago.
i wouldn't count out cain. he has good ko power and is much faster than carwin. i think he will give brock a run for his money.

do i think he can win, yes i do, will he???? ok, yes he will.

i just think cain's a better allround fighter than carwin and has power that is not too far off either.

i knew he could do it.

every time brock gets hit he curls up into a ball, he doesn't stand and fight because he can't. you need more than just wrestling and rushing people. brock needs to learn how to punch and defend punches. carwin showed cain brocks weakness and cain learned from it and became champion of the world.

can brock learn how to punch and defend punches, can you teach an old dog new tricks? i don't think he can learn this but he can still become champ again, ufc needs brock, he's ufc's mike tyson.

congratulations cain, long live the king, at least till junior has a go, these two are the best ufc fighters as i've said all along.

SRock

10-24-2010, 02:37 AM

3 months ago.

i knew he could do it.

every time brock gets hit he curls up into a ball, he doesn't stand and fight because he can't. you need more than just wrestling and rushing people. brock needs to learn how to punch and defend punches. carwin showed cain brocks weakness and cain learned from it and became champion of the world.

can brock learn how to punch and defend punches, can you teach an old dog new tricks? i don't think he can learn this but he can still become champ again, ufc needs brock, he's ufc's mike tyson.

congratulations cain, long live the king, at least till junior has a go, these two are the best ufc fighters as i've said all along.

I agree. Brock MUST learn how to defend against strikes. If he can't do that he'll be an on again off again winner depending on the match ups.

The Nid Hog

10-24-2010, 03:01 AM

I agree. Brock MUST learn how to defend against strikes. If he can't do that he'll be an on again off again winner depending on the match ups.

That's a pretty tall order, don't you think? Sure, there's a lot of talk about Brock evolving, but the UFC is such a massive hype machine that I wouldn't put too much stock into it. Yes, he is a gifted athlete and an enormous human being. Yes he is amazingly fast for someone so massive. But now I think that we've seen what he's made of. Maybe if he retreated to the jungles of Thailand for a couple of years and devoted himself to Muay Thai, we'd see him come back with a respectable standup, but I don't think that's in the cards. He's not going to move into the Gracie compound and master jiu jitsu either. He's going to plug away and get fed a couple of fighters who his skillset matches up favorably against, maul them, and come back again. Because he's money. UFC can't afford to have him lollygagging around learning how to fight while the clock is ticking. They want to ride this money train for as long as it will run. Given the number of wrecked fighters and bottom feeders in the heavyweight division (and the supply of more outside the UFC) they can run Brock at the champion a couple of times like this. Will he take the title again? Who knows--the odds are the Cain isn't going to be champion for the rest of his life. But I don't think that Brock will match up any better with Cain in six or eight months--or even a couple of years--than he did last night.

SRock

10-24-2010, 03:40 AM

That's a pretty tall order, don't you think? Sure, there's a lot of talk about Brock evolving, but the UFC is such a massive hype machine that I wouldn't put too much stock into it. Yes, he is a gifted athlete and an enormous human being. Yes he is amazingly fast for someone so massive. But now I think that we've seen what he's made of. Maybe if he retreated to the jungles of Thailand for a couple of years and devoted himself to Muay Thai, we'd see him come back with a respectable standup, but I don't think that's in the cards. He's not going to move into the Gracie compound and master jiu jitsu either. He's going to plug away and get fed a couple of fighters who his skillset matches up favorably against, maul them, and come back again. Because he's money. UFC can't afford to have him lollygagging around learning how to fight while the clock is ticking. They want to ride this money train for as long as it will run. Given the number of wrecked fighters and bottom feeders in the heavyweight division (and the supply of more outside the UFC) they can run Brock at the champion a couple of times like this. Will he take the title again? Who knows--the odds are the Cain isn't going to be champion for the rest of his life. But I don't think that Brock will match up any better with Cain in six or eight months--or even a couple of years--than he did last night.

I agree 100%. The only hope Brock has is his amazing athleticism, but seeing how he's been at it for something like three years now, I don't see much changing either.

Kenno

10-24-2010, 05:48 AM

brock can still be champ but he will never be a good striker, his size and strength/speed will be his best asset.

gotta give it to him, in it 3 years and best some of the best? can you become world champ in any other sport in 3 years of training. sure he has a bit of wrestling 10 years ago but since then till ufc no real fighting or even while he was wrestling you can hardly call that fighting so his acheivements are very respectable not to mention his illness and time off. most other ufc/mma guys have been at it for a long time. what does that say about heavyweights in ufc, is brock so talented or is the depth not really there? i reckon a bit of both.

there are 1-4 good ufc heavyweights, cain, jds, brock and carwin with cain being the most complete and talented one, i just like jds more. thing is brock and carwin are 35yo so the younger cain and jds might be there for a long time as the elders are on the way out.

well done brock, hope to see you in the ring soon, always exciting to watch.

it's not over yet.

The Nid Hog

10-24-2010, 02:21 PM

what does that say about heavyweights in ufc, is brock so talented or is the depth not really there? i reckon a bit of both.

I think that the lack of depth in the heavyweight division is a real problem in MMA. It's not just the UFC either. Wrestlers have flocked to the lower weight classes in droves, and over the past ten years that has completely changed the face of MMA. But big men still have lots of other opportunities, even before they get to the elite level of wrestling in college. We're starting to see guys move from careers in football to MMA, and that's a start. But that is still after they've spent a lot of time building sport-specific skills as linemen or whatever, and after they've been running the clock and registering injuries for years. The real change will happen when a fair number of big athletic guys decide that they're going to wrestle so that they can go on to MMA rather than getting involved with basketball or football. It isn't going to take a lot, and the current popularity of the UFC will probably have something to say about it. But it will definitely take a while. Until then, I think that heavyweight divisions across MMA will stay like they are. Dominated by a small number of truly accomplished fighters but filled out with guys that probably would not have been in contention at lower weight classes.

SRock

10-24-2010, 10:17 PM

I think that the lack of depth in the heavyweight division is a real problem in MMA. It's not just the UFC either. Wrestlers have flocked to the lower weight classes in droves, and over the past ten years that has completely changed the face of MMA. But big men still have lots of other opportunities, even before they get to the elite level of wrestling in college. We're starting to see guys move from careers in football to MMA, and that's a start. But that is still after they've spent a lot of time building sport-specific skills as linemen or whatever, and after they've been running the clock and registering injuries for years. The real change will happen when a fair number of big athletic guys decide that they're going to wrestle so that they can go on to MMA rather than getting involved with basketball or football. It isn't going to take a lot, and the current popularity of the UFC will probably have something to say about it. But it will definitely take a while. Until then, I think that heavyweight divisions across MMA will stay like they are. Dominated by a small number of truly accomplished fighters but filled out with guys that probably would not have been in contention at lower weight classes.

I think this is precisely why the HW division is typically weak.

The Nid Hog

10-25-2010, 07:16 AM

I'm watching the replay of the fights on TV now. My live view was on my laptop, so it's nice to see everything with clarity and definition! I just noticed that Ricco Rodriquez is cornering Tito. He's dropped a lot of weight--looks pretty good. Not saying that there's a comeback in his future, but he was a real wreck for a while.

SRock

10-26-2010, 05:20 AM

Anyone read/hear about the mean mugging contest that Brock and the Undertaker had after Brock's defeat? :lol:

Sullybob

10-26-2010, 05:45 AM

Anyone read/hear about the mean mugging contest that Brock and the Undertaker had after Brock's defeat? :lol:

I heard about it. Do you think it was staged?

The Nid Hog

10-26-2010, 05:53 AM

I heard about it. Do you think it was staged?

Not staged exactly. Like, I don't think that the fight was worked and Dana put the Undertaker there to go after Brock on the way out. But Zuffa definitely spreads these guys around so that they get picked up by the cameras. If something interesting happens, all the better. But they don't want to have a brawl start up either--that's not the kind of press they need when they're trying to get into NY.

I think that there's probably something like a proximity switch installed in those guys. When one gets close to another, they start yelling and posturing. It's automatic.

Sullybob

10-26-2010, 06:31 AM

Not staged exactly. Like, I don't think that the fight was worked and Dana put the Undertaker there to go after Brock on the way out. But Zuffa definitely spreads these guys around so that they get picked up by the cameras. If something interesting happens, all the better. But they don't want to have a brawl start up either--that's not the kind of press they need when they're trying to get into NY.

I think that there's probably something like a proximity switch installed in those guys. When one gets close to another, they start yelling and posturing. It's automatic.

Pavlov's dog? :lol::lol:

SRock

10-26-2010, 06:59 PM

Leche

10-26-2010, 07:28 PM

Brock's strength is incredibly fast movement to knock down, wrestling skills to keep them pinned, and pound them out. The talented fighters that can prevent that will always win.

TimmyBoston

10-26-2010, 08:13 PM

I'm amazed no one is talking about Brock's slip. That was the turning point of the fight.

SRock

10-27-2010, 04:09 AM

I'm amazed no one is talking about Brock's slip. That was the turning point of the fight.

I'm still trying to decide if it was a slip or if he stumbled because he was already rocked.

The Nid Hog

10-27-2010, 08:16 AM

I'm amazed no one is talking about Brock's slip. That was the turning point of the fight.

Some of the dimwits on Sherdog already have that convereted to a GIF that shows him stumbling against the background of the dance floor from Saturday Night Fever. Makes him look like he's break dancing. Not in the same class as the Bisping as Redcoat meme, but a good effort nonetheless.

I watched that sequences a couple of times on TV the other night and it doesn't look (to me) like he got hit. I think he was moving too fast and shifted his weight the wrong way, losing his balance. Unfortunately for him. he lost his bearings when he got back to his feet and got clocked.

TimmyBoston

10-27-2010, 09:19 AM

I watched that sequences a couple of times on TV the other night and it doesn't look (to me) like he got hit. I think he was moving too fast and shifted his weight the wrong way, losing his balance. Unfortunately for him. he lost his bearings when he got back to his feet and got clocked.

That's exactly what I saw.

Kenno

10-28-2010, 03:02 AM

I'm still trying to decide if it was a slip or if he stumbled because he was already rocked.

+1

he was clearly punchdrunk when he got up off the ground before he tripped, the jab brock threw straight after he got up before the stumble/twist was lazy looking, he was on the back foot stunned before and the little stumble/twist was easily recoverable if he was clear headed.

i was suprised at cain's ability to easily escape brock on the ground and how cain took brock down.

SRock

10-28-2010, 03:17 AM

Some of the dimwits on Sherdog already have that convereted to a GIF that shows him stumbling against the background of the dance floor from Saturday Night Fever. Makes him look like he's break dancing. Not in the same class as the Bisping as Redcoat meme, but a good effort nonetheless.

I watched that sequences a couple of times on TV the other night and it doesn't look (to me) like he got hit. I think he was moving too fast and shifted his weight the wrong way, losing his balance. Unfortunately for him. he lost his bearings when he got back to his feet and got clocked.

That's exactly what I saw.

+1

he was clearly punchdrunk when he got up off the ground, the jab brock threw straight after was lazy looking, he was on the back foot stunned and the little stumble/twist was easily recoverable if he was clear headed.

i was suprised at cain's ability to easily escape brock on the ground and how cain took brock down.

I'm still undecided. I couldn't tell if he got hit and that led to the stumble or if he stumbled as Cain was trying to hit him. Either way it was the turning point.

Kenno

10-28-2010, 06:05 AM

I'm still undecided. I couldn't tell if he got hit and that led to the stumble or if he stumbled as Cain was trying to hit him. Either way it was the turning point.

sorry robbo i edited my original to clarify.

TimmyBoston

10-28-2010, 11:42 PM

The WEC will be no more next year.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/UFC-WEC-to-Merge-in-2011-27812

SRock

10-29-2010, 03:35 AM

The WEC will be no more next year.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/UFC-WEC-to-Merge-in-2011-27812

I'm totally OK with this. The UFC will pick up the lighter weight classes and likely the TV coverage that used to belong to the WEC.

The Nid Hog

10-29-2010, 05:29 AM

I'm totally OK with this. The UFC will pick up the lighter weight classes and likely the TV coverage that used to belong to the WEC.

The only downside I see to this is the loss of a number of free fights on regular TV. However, with the first PPV WEC event, it was clear that this was going to happen anyway.

SRock

10-29-2010, 05:48 AM

The only downside I see to this is the loss of a number of free fights on regular TV. However, with the first PPV WEC event, it was clear that this was going to happen anyway.

I hope we see the opposite. I hope they fill the existing WEC TV contracts with UFC events.

Sullybob

10-29-2010, 06:21 AM

I hope we see the opposite. I hope they fill the existing WEC TV contracts with UFC events.

I don't think that they will. The UFC is going to do more cards on the VS network but over all their will be fewer fights on free tv.

SRock

10-29-2010, 06:25 AM

I don't think that they will. The UFC is going to do more cards on the VS network but over all their will be fewer fights on free tv.

I dunno.... (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/10/25/1773573/dana-white-says-network-television-deal-coming-in-2011)

Sullybob

10-29-2010, 06:32 AM

I dunno.... (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/10/25/1773573/dana-white-says-network-television-deal-coming-in-2011)

Me either (http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-ufcwecmerger102810), its confusing.

“I’m not looking at this thing as a negative like, ‘Oh, we lost a couple of fights on Versus,’ ” White said. “It’s a positive. We’ve got the UFC on Versus. The last one we did pulled killer numbers. Now that we’ve added these other two weight classes to the UFC, everything is positive. I’m not looking at it like, ‘Oh, we lost two fights. We have to pick them up somewhere else.’ ”

TimmyBoston

10-29-2010, 09:55 AM

I'm totally OK with this. The UFC will pick up the lighter weight classes and likely the TV coverage that used to belong to the WEC.

Figured most people would be, I deliberately wrote an inflammatory sentence. :laugh:

It is too bad that fewer events overall will be on Versus, but the ratings of the stuff that is there should be higher so hopefully in time there will be more events.

Really with adding another company I'd hope they're would be quite a few more events overall.

SRock

10-29-2010, 05:31 PM

Me either (http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-ufcwecmerger102810), its confusing.

Agreed, I guess time will tell.

Figured most people would be, I deliberately wrote an inflammatory sentence. :laugh:

It is too bad that fewer events overall will be on Versus, but the ratings of the stuff that is there should be higher so hopefully in time there will be more events.

Really with adding another company I'd hope they're would be quite a few more events overall.

Agreed x2!

urr-lord

11-08-2010, 07:20 AM

i think it was last week it was announced that WEC and UFC were being merged.what do you think about this?good or bad for the sport?

urr-lord

11-08-2010, 07:26 AM

i personally think it will be a mixed bag.
bad in the short term as there will be less bouts televised,and it will cut down on the opportunities for the fighters.
in the long term it may be good .it may give other organisations a shot at larger exposure as some have a different take on the sport.
i'm not sure if i like it or not.i'm leaning towards not.

thunderball

11-14-2010, 02:28 AM

Congrats Okami. Just wanted to say that. :thumbup1:

SRock

11-14-2010, 03:25 AM

i think it was last week it was announced that WEC and UFC were being merged.what do you think about this?good or bad for the sport?

Yup, we talked about this a bit already.

i personally think it will be a mixed bag.
bad in the short term as there will be less bouts televised,and it will cut down on the opportunities for the fighters.
in the long term it may be good .it may give other organisations a shot at larger exposure as some have a different take on the sport.
i'm not sure if i like it or not.i'm leaning towards not.

Personally I think that the UFC will parlay WEC television opportunities into additional TV time for the UFC that and the added lighter weight classes should add some additional excitement to the UFC.

Congrats Okami. Just wanted to say that. :thumbup1:

I wanted Nate The Great to pull off the win. It was a close fight but you have to wonder when 1 of 3 judges scores it 30-27 Marquardt. That aside, there wasn't much on this particular PPV that interested me.

Sullybob

11-14-2010, 04:59 AM

Yup, we talked about this a bit already.

Personally I think that the UFC will parlay WEC television opportunities into additional TV time for the UFC that and the added lighter weight classes should add some additional excitement to the UFC.

I wanted Nate The Great to pull off the win. It was a close fight but you have to wonder when 1 of 3 judges scores it 30-27 Marquardt. That aside, there wasn't much on this particular PPV that interested me.

The fight was on Spike tv. I haven't watched the last two fights yet, but so far I thought the WEC card last week was much better.

Shane27

11-14-2010, 05:06 AM

I was disappointed with Okami-Marquardt...for having so much on the line, Marquardt didn't do much of anything that last round. From what I've heard, his corner was telling him he won the first two rounds so maybe he coasted...hard to say.

In the end, it was a very cautious fight. Now Siver-Winner...that was a good one!

SRock

11-15-2010, 04:59 AM

In the end, it was a very cautious fight. Now Siver-Winner...that was a good one!

I agree

Ben Askren vs. Dan Hornbuckle (Bellator) who saw it? Thoughts?

I saw a replay of this fight tonight. Askren really looked good.

Oh and so no one thinks they missed something this fight was at Bellator 22 back in June.

Sullybob

11-15-2010, 05:58 AM

I thought Nate was looking for the big right hand finish, instead of trying to force the right hand he should have been fighting. His corner kept telling him to believe in his kicks and to kick more. It just seemed like he couldn't get started.

How about Karlos Vemola and Seth Petruzelli? Karlos looked like he has lots of promise, he completely bulldozed Setth. I hope he doesn't turn out to be another Houston Alexander.

What are your picks for UFC 123?

Quinton “Rampage” Jackson vs. Lyoto Machida
B.J. Penn vs. Matt Hughes
Aaron Simpson vs. Mark Munoz
Gerald Harris vs. Maiquel Jose Falcao Goncalves
George Sotiropoulos vs. Joe Lauzon
Brian Foster vs. Matt Brown
Tyson Griffin vs. Nik Lentz
Phil Davis vs. Tim Boetsch
Edson Barboza vs. Darren Elkins
Karo Parisyan vs. Dennis Hallman
Paul Kelly vs. T.J. O’Brien

If Machida is recovered mentally from his last fight with Shogun, he takes it.

B.J. said he is getting back to more traditional training. I'm not sure what that means but I don't think its good. I still think B.J. needs to get a new camp. Honestly though, I'm not really interested in this fight. I don't see the need for a trilogy. I know they are one and one but I think B.J. needs to stay at light weight. On Saturday he said he weighed 165. Hughes cuts a lot o weight to make 170, and he has been doing it for years. Maybe he is going to try to take a page from Frankie and not cut weight for a fight.

I would like to see Karo get back on track, he can be a really exciting fighter to watch.

TimmyBoston

11-15-2010, 06:54 PM

Quinton “Rampage” Jackson vs. Lyoto Machida
B.J. Penn vs. Matt Hughes
Aaron Simpson vs. Mark Munoz
Gerald Harris vs. Maiquel Jose Falcao Goncalves
George Sotiropoulos vs. Joe Lauzon
Brian Foster vs. Matt Brown
Tyson Griffin vs. Nik Lentz
Phil Davis vs. Tim Boetsch
Edson Barboza vs. Darren Elkins
Karo Parisyan vs. Dennis Hallman
Paul Kelly vs. T.J. O’Brien

If the Penn who fought Diego Sanchez shows up, he'll take out Hughes, if the Penn of late shows up, it could go either way. Hughes lacks all of Frankie's speed so I expect BJ to look much crisper against Hughes.

I think Machida is too much for Rampage. It's another long layoff for him and he looked terrible against Rashad.

TimmyBoston

11-15-2010, 07:00 PM

Will all of the Prelim fights of UFC 123 be televised on Spike?

I hope so, because they are some damn good prelim fights, most are better than the main card.

Sullybob

11-15-2010, 07:04 PM

Will all of the Prelim fights of UFC 123 be televised on Spike?

I hope so, because they are some damn good prelim fights, most are better than the main card.

I think they are only going to televise an hours worth of fights.

TimmyBoston

11-15-2010, 08:55 PM

I think they are only going to televise an hours worth of fights.

So the same as usual. I read an article about Spike televising prelims for UFC 123.

SRock

11-16-2010, 01:23 AM

My picks for 123:

Rampage vs. The Karate Kid (Though I'd prefer a win by Rampage)
B.J. Penn vs. Matt Hughes
Aaron Simpson vs. Mark Munoz
Gerald Harris vs. Maiquel Jose Falcao Goncalves
George Sotiropoulos vs. Joe Lauzon
Brian Foster vs. Matt Brown
Tyson Griffin vs. Nik Lentz
Phil Davis vs. Tim Boetsch
Edson Barboza vs. Darren Elkins
Karo Parisyan vs. Dennis Hallman
Paul Kelly vs. T.J. O’Brien

Sullybob

11-20-2010, 05:37 PM

I just read an article where BJ says that; (http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Penn-Questions-Weightlifting-Says-Strength-Non-Issue-Against-Hughes-28297)

“I guess if I was going to put on muscle, it would be by punching the heavy bag and by wrestling bigger opponents because I really question that weightlifting strength and how functional that stuff is,” he said. “I know it’s benefited some people, but for me personally, in my own opinion, [lifting] is just something else to do to work out when you could be doing something that could help you more in the ring.

I thought it was interesting. I wonder what his conditioning is going to be like in this fight?

The Nid Hog

11-20-2010, 09:08 PM

I just read an article where BJ says that; (http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Penn-Questions-Weightlifting-Says-Strength-Non-Issue-Against-Hughes-28297)
I thought it was interesting. I wonder what his conditioning is going to be like in this fight?

Looks like we aren't going to have very much to go on!

The Nid Hog

11-20-2010, 09:39 PM

From Spike's broadcast of the undercard to the PPV, there were a lot of good fights tonight. It's too bad it had to end with another questionable judges' decision, but that didn't take the edge off a solid event.

TimmyBoston

11-20-2010, 09:57 PM

Penn looked awesome. I personally think Machida won his bout, but it was a pretty good fight.

azmark

11-20-2010, 09:58 PM

My picks for 123:

Aaron Simpson vs. Mark Munoz

What a bummer Aaron lost. He and Bader are always over my neighbors and is a cool cat.

Don Barbiere

11-20-2010, 10:32 PM

Penn looked awesome. I personally think Machida won his bout, but it was a pretty good fight.

+1 Penn was awsome,to me it looked like Machida won the fight,but i think there will be second fight!

SRock

11-20-2010, 10:42 PM

Penn looked awesome. I personally think Machida won his bout, but it was a pretty good fight.

Agreed unfortunately. I really don't like BJ, but his actions after this fight have swayed my opinion of him a little. He touched gloves more than once and was even man enough to call Hughes his idol. :thumbup1:

As far as Rampage/Machida goes I think Rampage clearly won Rd 1 and Machida clearly won rd 3. This is the unfortunate reality when you leave it in the judges hands. That said, I, like Rogan and Rampage think it was Machida's defensive/run away nature that cost him the fight. Even when there wasn't much going on in Rd 2 it looked like Rampage was on the offensive.

My picks for 123:

Rampage vs. The Karate Kid (Though I'd prefer a win by Rampage)
B.J. Penn vs. Matt Hughes
Aaron Simpson vs. Mark Munoz
Gerald Harris vs. Maiquel Jose Falcao Goncalves
George Sotiropoulos vs. Joe Lauzon
Brian Foster vs. Matt Brown
Tyson Griffin vs. Nik Lentz
Phil Davis vs. Tim Boetsch
Edson Barboza vs. Darren Elkins
Karo Parisyan vs. Dennis Hallman
Paul Kelly vs. T.J. O’Brien

I only picked two fights correctly! :eek: My worst ever! :lol:

Did BJ look great or did it happen too fast to tell? Machida is even more boring to watch than Silva.

TimmyBoston

11-20-2010, 10:52 PM

What a bummer Aaron lost. He and Bader are always over my neighbors and is a cool cat.

I scored Simpson as the winner.

azmark

11-20-2010, 10:55 PM

I scored Simpson as the winner.

Well you just made it further up my list:laugh:

TimmyBoston

11-20-2010, 10:55 PM

Quinton “Rampage” Jackson vs. Lyoto Machida
B.J. Penn vs. Matt Hughes
Aaron Simpson vs. Mark Munoz
Gerald Harris vs. Maiquel Jose Falcao Goncalves
George Sotiropoulos vs. Joe Lauzon
Brian Foster vs. Matt Brown
Tyson Griffin vs. Nik Lentz
Phil Davis vs. Tim Boetsch
Edson Barboza vs. Darren Elkins
Karo Parisyan vs. Dennis Hallman
Paul Kelly vs. T.J. O’Brien

.

For being a die hard fan, I really suck at these predictions. I've been wrong constantly lately. I got 6 out of 10 wrong.

For those of you wanting to make a buck, just bet against everything I pick, you'll be a millionaire.

Sullybob

11-21-2010, 07:48 AM

Looks like we aren't going to have very much to go on!

It was good for 21 seconds!

SRock

11-22-2010, 12:43 AM

For being a die hard fan, I really suck at these predictions. I've been wrong constantly lately. I got 6 out of 10 wrong.

For those of you wanting to make a buck, just bet against everything I pick, you'll be a millionaire.

You didn't do as bad as I did, this time! :lol:

TimmyBoston

12-05-2010, 10:57 PM

Anyone catch the Strikeforce or UFC bouts last night?

SRock

12-05-2010, 11:06 PM

Anyone catch the Strikeforce or UFC bouts last night?

I only saw the TUF finale (final fight). I was at work.

TimmyBoston

12-05-2010, 11:36 PM

TimmyBoston

12-05-2010, 11:37 PM

Also Chael Sonnen can be back fighting by March. Think he'll get Anderson after Silva beats Vitor?

SRock

12-05-2010, 11:41 PM

Do they show the fights live on AFN? Or are they time delayed?

The TUF Finale was pretty slow, but that's what I expected. In light of many, many decisions in the UFC, StrikeForce has taken a businesslike appoach, they paired up a several fighters last night that had no business fighting each other in the first place. No wonder they had several immediate knockouts. And that absolute worthless buffoon that does their announcing acts like it's shocking when someone like Robbie Lawler knocks out Matt Lindland. :001_rolle

We get them live which means its normally next morning for me. Strikefarce almost always leaves me wanting. Their matchmaking is usually crap, and you are right their announcing is the worst in the business.

Also Chael Sonnen can be back fighting by March. Think he'll get Anderson after Silva beats Vitor?

Probably so if the fights line up. If not he'll get a tune up fight until they can get it scheduled.

Sullybob

12-06-2010, 05:48 AM

Anyone catch the Strikeforce or UFC bouts last night?

I saw the TUF finale. Over all I thought the judging was pretty terrible. Nam Phan lost to Leonard Garcia. Really? I haven't looked at the fight metric yet but I didn't think Garcia won that fight at all, Leonard initially thought he lost, then later changed his mind and said he thought he won. Some of the reffing was pretty rotten too.

Some of the fights were pretty good. It seemed like a lot of the fights went to decision.

TimmyBoston

12-06-2010, 10:12 AM

Speaking of all the terrible MMA decisions lately, has anyone seen this:

http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/columns/story?id=5875187

I don't know if this will be the answer, but I'm thrilled that someone is looking into a solution to the abysmal judging that's been going on for far too long.

SmoovD

12-06-2010, 10:30 AM

I watched the TUF Finale. It was chock full of average. I doubt that I can even remember the entire televised card. Here is my take:

-Nam got jobbed by two awful judges.
-Hendricks/Story could have been so much more than the snoozefest it was.
-Bonnar's fights are only sightly better than his color commentary.
-Brookins has a chin and Johnson has nothing from his back.

Sullybob

12-06-2010, 12:36 PM

SRock

12-07-2010, 02:12 AM

The Nid Hog

12-08-2010, 10:44 AM

Also Chael Sonnen can be back fighting by March. Think he'll get Anderson after Silva beats Vitor?

I think that the timing is off now. I bet that he gets someone else as soon as the suspension clears, then Zuffa will see where things stand.

TimmyBoston

12-09-2010, 11:02 PM

SRock

12-10-2010, 01:23 AM

Predictions for UFC 124

Main card

* Welterweight Championship bout: Georges St-Pierre vs. Josh Koscheck
* Heavyweight bout: Stefan Struve vs. Sean McCorkle
* Lightweight bout: Jim Miller vs. Charles Oliveira
* Lightweight bout: Joe Stevenson vs. Mac Danzig
* Welterweight bout: Thiago Alves vs. John Howard

Spike Card

* Lightweight bout: Mark Bocek vs. Dustin Hazelett
* Middleweight bout: Joe Doerksen vs. Dan Miller

Preliminary card

* Middleweight bout: Jesse Bongfeldt vs. Rafael Natal
* Welterweight bout: Matt Riddle vs. Sean Pierson
* Welterweight bout: TJ Grant vs. Ricardo Almeida
* Lightweight bout: Pat Audinwood vs. John Makdessi

Other than Almeida, I know nothing about the guys on the prelim card. I would like to see Kos win, but I think GSP takes this in 5, 50-45. Olivera's very good, but as a long time Jim Miller fan, I've got to pull for him. He's probably the most underrated fighter in the UFC. I think Joe Daddy can handle Danzig and Struve will submit McCorkle. Alves TKO Howard.

I won't disagree with any of your predictions for this one, but this line has me worried:

I would like to see Kos win, but I think GSP takes this in 5, 50-45.

I think Koschek is one of if not the biggest DB in the UFC and quite possibly in all of MMA.

I hope GSP punches him so many times he'll look like the elephant man at the end of the fight. I hope he beats him up for 2-3 rds and then finishes him in devastating fashion.

thunderball

12-10-2010, 01:50 AM

:
I think Koschek is one of if not the biggest DB in the UFC and quite possibly in all of MMA.

I hope GSP punches him so many times he'll look like the elephant man at the end of the fight. I hope he beats him up for 2-3 rds and then finishes him in devastating fashion.

Amen brother! :thumbup:

SmoovD

12-10-2010, 04:37 AM

amen brother! :thumbup:

+1.

Sullybob

12-10-2010, 05:02 AM

Predictions for UFC 124

Main card

* Welterweight Championship bout: Georges St-Pierre vs. Josh Koscheck
* Heavyweight bout: Stefan Struve vs. Sean McCorkle
* Lightweight bout: Jim Miller vs. Charles Oliveira
* Lightweight bout: Joe Stevenson vs. Mac Danzig
* Welterweight bout: Thiago Alves vs. John Howard

Spike Card

* Lightweight bout: Mark Bocek vs. Dustin Hazelett
* Middleweight bout: Joe Doerksen vs. Dan Miller

Preliminary card

* Middleweight bout: Jesse Bongfeldt vs. Rafael Natal
* Welterweight bout: Matt Riddle vs. Sean Pierson
* Welterweight bout: TJ Grant vs. Ricardo Almeida
* Lightweight bout: Pat Audinwood vs. John Makdessi

Other than Almeida, I know nothing about the guys on the prelim card. I would like to see Kos win, but I think GSP takes this in 5, 50-45. Olivera's very good, but as a long time Jim Miller fan, I've got to pull for him. He's probably the most underrated fighter in the UFC. I think Joe Daddy can handle Danzig and Struve will submit McCorkle. Alves TKO Howard.

I like all of your picks Tim. If Joe Daddy hadn't switched camps I would have said that Mac would take him.

I won't disagree with any of your predictions for this one, but this line has me worried:

I think Koschek is one of if not the biggest DB in the UFC and quite possibly in all of MMA.

I hope GSP punches him so many times he'll look like the elephant man at the end of the fight. I hope he beats him up for 2-3 rds and then finishes him in devastating fashion.

I don't like Koschek much either, but I think he has a long way to go to reach the level of Chael Sonnen.

SmoovD

12-10-2010, 06:27 AM

I think that difference between Sonnen and Kos is Sonnen across as a "crap disturber" whereas Kos comes across as a d-nozzle. Chael trolls while Kos just is. Or that is how I see them.

Sullybob

12-10-2010, 06:30 AM

I think that difference between Sonnen and Kos is Sonnen across as a "crap disturber" whereas Kos comes across as a d-nozzle. Chael trolls while Kos just is. Or that is how I see them.

I think I understand what you mean.

Are you saying that Sonnen's attitude is an act and that Kos really is a dirt bag?

SmoovD

12-10-2010, 07:49 AM

I think I understand what you mean.

Are you saying that Sonnen's attitude is an act and that Kos really is a dirt bag?

I think Sonnen's antics are an act. Big and blustery. He sells the show. Kos acts like a muscle-head who thinks the world mimics a locker room.

TimmyBoston

12-10-2010, 03:48 PM

Heels make money in the UFC look at Lesnar. Hell, look at Toney, that buffoon got a half a mil for a 30 second fight with Couture.

I'm serous about wanting GSP to lose, he rarely fights and he's a boring figher. He's outstanding, but I'm sick of watching him grind out wins. I can say the same thing for Jon Fitch. At least Kos puts on a show. Especially with the reality shows we get so caught up in the personalities, who cares of Kos acts like a tool, if he puts on a great show in the ring. I can't say the same thing for GSP and he always seems like a class act.

SRock

12-11-2010, 04:47 AM

I decided to go ahead and make predictions for the prelims as well. Maybe I can find a bit of redemption after my terrible picks on the last card. :lol:

Predictions for UFC 124

Main card

* Welterweight Championship bout: Georges St-Pierre vs. Josh Koscheck
* Heavyweight bout: Stefan Struve vs. Sean McCorkle
* Lightweight bout: Jim Miller vs. Charles Oliveira
* Lightweight bout: Joe Stevenson vs. Mac Danzig
* Welterweight bout: Thiago Alves vs. John Howard

Spike Card

* Lightweight bout: Mark Bocek vs. Dustin Hazelett
* Middleweight bout: Joe Doerksen vs. Dan Miller

Preliminary card

* Middleweight bout: Jesse Bongfeldt vs. Rafael Natal
* Welterweight bout: Matt Riddle vs. Sean Pierson
* Welterweight bout: TJ Grant vs. Ricardo Almeida
* Lightweight bout: Pat Audinwood vs. John Makdessi

TimmyBoston

12-11-2010, 12:20 PM

The Nid Hog

12-11-2010, 03:52 PM

I think GSP is boring too, but I don't expect him to have any trouble with Kos*. I'll be very surprised if it goes the distance. I would like to see somebody make GSP fight outside of his comfort zone, but I don't think that Kos is the one to do it.

In the undercard, I'd like to see Doerksen pull out a win. Apart from his loss to Dollaway, he's been on a late-career roll and it would be nice to see him notch up another win tonight.

* When I say something like this, it usually means that GSP is going to get knocked out inside the first.

SRock

12-11-2010, 05:17 PM

You won't redeem yourself, you have the same picks as me. :lol:

:lol::lol::lol:

TimmyBoston

12-11-2010, 10:34 PM

Rob and I redeemed ourselves with most of our predictions!!! Now, why didn't I bet!!! :cursing::001_cool:

SRock

12-11-2010, 10:35 PM

Rob and I redeemed ourselves with most of our predictions!!! Now, why didn't I bet!!! :cursing::001_cool:

Yes, yes we did! :thumbup:

Sullybob

12-12-2010, 04:24 AM

Rob and I redeemed ourselves with most of our predictions!!! Now, why didn't I bet!!! :cursing::001_cool:

Maybe because, like me you have a terrible track record of calling these fights lol:

SRock

12-12-2010, 04:26 AM

Maybe because, like me you have a terrible track record of calling these fights lol:

:lol::lol:

TimmyBoston

12-12-2010, 11:13 AM

GSP performed exactly like a thought he would. Total domination, but I was so bored, I nearly fell asleep at the bar.

Jim Miller looked awesome, when is that guy going to be moved to the top tier of Lightweights, it's long overdue.

Did anyone see the look on Danzig's face when he knocked out Stephenson? He might have been the most surprised person in the arena.

SRock

12-12-2010, 05:50 PM

Did anyone see the look on Danzig's face when he knocked out Stephenson? He might have been the most surprised person in the arena.

:yesnod: I actually said that to my wife, sort of. I said, look how shocked Mac is that he actually KO'd Daddy. :lol:

The Nid Hog

12-12-2010, 06:22 PM

There were a lot of good fights on the card last night. I wasn't overly enthused in the run up, but I came away quite pleased.

However, there really is something unsatisfying about GSP, isn't there? He truly is an incredibly talented and versatile fighter, but there's just something missing. I've always thought that there was money to be made in MMA with a good jab, and GSP demonstrated that in his fight. Obviously that was the plan that GSP came into the cage with, and he executed it to a T. But not much more than that. When he was completely convinced that Koscheck was essentially blind on his right side, he started to throw the left hook too, but never with the kind of intensity he need to put Kos away. And he never committed to digging in with anything else either. Up until the end of the fight, GSP's overriding objective was to keep himself out of danger.

I can respect GSPs caution. Nobody wants to go through life punchy and I'm sure that he wants to be able to balance his own checkbook and tie his shoes when he gets older. But it makes for a dull fight. Even when GSP is throwing a lot, he and Jackson are somehow able to engineer the fight to be on the dull side. I'm sure that there's a young fighter out there somewhere with a skillset that equals GSP augmented with the overwhelming desire to take somebody out. I'm looking forward to the day when the cage door closes with the two of them inside.

TimmyBoston

12-12-2010, 07:14 PM

I'm dreading the GSP/Shields snoozefest....Thank goodness we'll get to see Shields lose....

SRock

12-12-2010, 07:16 PM

I'm dreading the GSP/Shields snoozefest....Thank goodness we'll get to see Shields lose....

:thumbup1:

TimmyBoston

12-12-2010, 09:24 PM

:thumbup1:

If Shields somehow catches GSP, I think Canada will declare war on Cesar Gracie Academy.

SRock

12-12-2010, 09:42 PM

If Shields somehow catches GSP, I think Canada will declare war on Cesar Gracie Academy.

You got that right! :lol:

SmoovD

12-16-2010, 06:07 PM

Last WEC card just about to start. It is stacked as usual.

TimmyBoston

12-16-2010, 11:26 PM

With an exam tomorrow, I missed it but I heard the bouts was awesome.

SmoovD

12-17-2010, 06:01 AM

With an exam tomorrow, I missed it but I heard the bouts was awesome.

Awesome is just about right. The Henderson/Pettis fight was in contention for fight of the year up until the last minute of round five. After that point it was a lock. The entire card was entertaining. What a way to end the promotion.

TimmyBoston

12-22-2010, 10:31 AM

I finally tracked down a video of that kick. That was sick.

SmoovD

12-22-2010, 04:09 PM

I finally tracked down a video of that kick. That was sick.

Pettis went all Matrix on him.

Sullybob

12-23-2010, 04:13 AM

I finally tracked down a video of that kick. That was sick.

That kick was sweet!

thunderball

12-28-2010, 11:08 PM

Any of you old Pride fans looking forward to Guida - Gomi, and if so, who you got? :thumbup1:

The Nid Hog

12-29-2010, 05:38 AM

Any of you old Pride fans looking forward to Guida - Gomi, and if so, who you got? :thumbup1:

I like Guida a lot. He puts on such great, energetic fights and he seems like a nice guy too. But, for once, I'd like to see one of the big-time Japanese fighters get the message and show up for the fight in a condition that would match a guy like Guida. How great would it be to see Gomi dominating the pace, stalking a fatigued Guida in the last few minutes of the third round?

Unfortunately, I think that Gomi has to get it done in the first round. Otherwise, I think he and Guida are going to go up and down, and he's going to take a lot of damage via GnP.

thunderball

12-29-2010, 05:54 AM

I like Guida a lot. He puts on such great, energetic fights and he seems like a nice guy too. But, for once, I'd like to see one of the big-time Japanese fighters get the message and show up for the fight in a condition that would match a guy like Guida. How great would it be to see Gomi dominating the pace, stalking a fatigued Guida in the last few minutes of the third round?

Unfortunately, I think that Gomi has to get it done in the first round. Otherwise, I think he and Guida are going to go up and down, and he's going to take a lot of damage via GnP.

I think you pretty much nailed it. An in-shape and serious Gomi is going to be a nightmare for Guida, but anything less than that and I think the Carpenter might grind this one out. I agree that Gomi is going to have to do some serious damage early to take this one....and oh Baby do I hope he does! :thumbup:

Sullybob

12-29-2010, 06:04 AM

I like Guida a lot. He puts on such great, energetic fights and he seems like a nice guy too. But, for once, I'd like to see one of the big-time Japanese fighters get the message and show up for the fight in a condition that would match a guy like Guida. How great would it be to see Gomi dominating the pace, stalking a fatigued Guida in the last few minutes of the third round?

Unfortunately, I think that Gomi has to get it done in the first round. Otherwise, I think he and Guida are going to go up and down, and he's going to take a lot of damage via GnP.

I agree. I would love to see Gomi show up in great condition, but I just don't think its going to happen.

TimmyBoston

12-29-2010, 09:22 AM

Guida's going to win.

Sullybob

12-29-2010, 09:25 AM

How about Leban or Stann?

If Chris is in shape he takes it.

TimmyBoston

12-29-2010, 09:29 AM

If Leben is mentally ready he'll win. He looked amazing against Akiyama. (Which is IMO is the only pick for fight of the year for 2010.)

Sullybob

12-29-2010, 09:31 AM

If Leben is mentally ready he'll win. He looked amazing against Akiyama. (Which is IMO is the only pick for fight of the year for 2010.)

That was an awesome fight.

I really like Leben, I hope he is ready for Stann.

The Nid Hog

12-30-2010, 03:57 PM

Gomi should be watching tapes of the Akiyama fight. If he has any sense of what kind of shape he needs to be in, that should clear it up. For that matter, I hope that's also the first thing that Akiyama watches every morning when he gets up.

On the other hand, Stann has been training with Jackson, hasn't he? I never really cared much for him in his WEC days, but I'd like to see him flatten Leben.

Lot's of good fights to be seen this weekend!

gixxer

12-30-2010, 04:31 PM

I think if Stann can keep moving and not get tagged he can win, but Leben throws lunchboxes from time to time.if Stann has been studying the Leben Silva fight he will see what is needed to finish him. Gomi and Guida? I love the carpenter cause he goes bonkers for 3 rounds, but sooner or later a Japanese guy has to come in that can be a real contender.

I hated Leben till he lost, then tha tgave him the reality check. I think I like him a little better now. I dunno. I know that foot stomping is legal but man I hate seeing it. Nobody else uses it as much as Leben.

Shane27

12-30-2010, 06:52 PM

I like watching Guida fight, in general you know you are going to get everything he has in the tank every time he fights...and you know he will be in shape. I think he will gnp Gomi for 3 rounds and win a decision.

I wouldn't mind seeing them toe-to-toe in the center of the ring though!

TimmyBoston

12-31-2010, 08:27 PM

If you guys haven't seen the Aoki fight from Dream, it's a hoot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eucC9i7QYiU

The Nid Hog

12-31-2010, 10:15 PM

If you guys haven't seen the Aoki fight from Dream, it's a hoot

That was such a rewarding conclusion to the fight. Aoki was up to his usual tricks in the first round, and he really got his comeuppance in the opening of the second. I watched the whole event on HDNet and it wasn't too bad.

TimmyBoston

01-01-2011, 10:11 PM

I was really pleased to see Edgar/Maynard end in a draw. I know I couldn't pick a winner.

Stann showed himself to be a real class act in victory.

TimmyBoston

01-03-2011, 06:45 PM

Am I the only one who saw the fight?

Sullybob

01-03-2011, 06:51 PM

Am I the only one who saw the fight?

I just finished watching several of them.

Stann/Leben, wow. I didn't expect that at all. It looked liked the body shots really hurt Chris.

Gomi/Guida. Guida needs to start doing Pert or Prell commercials. His hair was crazy. I wasn't sure if he wanted to dance or fight. Regardless of what he wanted to do, he looked good and it was an impressive win.

Edgar/Maynard. That has to be the best comeback fight I have ever seen. Frankie looked great, after the first round. Honestly, I was amazed at the way he came back in the second.

Leonard1

01-03-2011, 07:24 PM

May have been mentioned before - but I didn't read the whole thread.

Hulu now has the first 2 seasons of UFC-Wired up for free - not Hulu Plus. Usual Hulu short commercials, but these are whole episodes of whole fights, not just highlights.

The Nid Hog

01-04-2011, 05:50 AM

I just finished watching several of them.

Stann/Leben, wow. I didn't expect that at all. It looked liked the body shots really hurt Chris.

Gomi/Guida. Guida needs to start doing Pert or Prell commercials. His hair was crazy. I wasn't sure if he wanted to dance or fight. Regardless of what he wanted to do, he looked good and it was an impressive win.

Edgar/Maynard. That has to be the best comeback fight I have ever seen. Frankie looked great, after the first round. Honestly, I was amazed at the way he came back in the second.

Agreed. Although it was a setback that he didn't put Edgar out in the first, I thought that it said a lot about Maynard when he came back in the third. He was clearly very tired in the second and I think he had to be smart to keep from completely gassing.

What happened to Gomi? It's getting harder and harder to be a fan of Japanese MMA.

Brandon Vera's fight reminded me of an anxiety dream played out in reality. Isn't it every martial artist's nightmare to hit someone to no effect ("Is that all you got?") or to be held down like a little kid? Silva didn't just pound him--he humiliated him. Vera to Strikeforce, or does he get one more reprieve?

Sullybob

01-04-2011, 09:58 AM

Agreed. Although it was a setback that he didn't put Edgar out in the first, I thought that it said a lot about Maynard when he came back in the third. He was clearly very tired in the second and I think he had to be smart to keep from completely gassing.

What happened to Gomi? It's getting harder and harder to be a fan of Japanese MMA.

Brandon Vera's fight reminded me of an anxiety dream played out in reality. Isn't it every martial artist's nightmare to hit someone to no effect ("Is that all you got?") or to be held down like a little kid? Silva didn't just pound him--he humiliated him. Vera to Strikeforce, or does he get one more reprieve?

Joe Rogan said that Maynard hit Edgar 97 times in the first round. The amazing thing to me was that it looked like Maynard took the worse beating. I'm not even sure when Maynard got the knots on his forehead. Maynard did look great in the third. I hope they rematch soon.

I think Gomi just couldn't deal with Guida's movement. He looked like one of the kids playing that dancing video game at the mall. It seemed like Gomi defaulted to trying to knock him out with one punch.

I didn't see the Vera fight but I read about it. I think it was a nightmare. Some of the nicest things I read said that Silva beat him like a drum.

Edited to add:

I was looking at fightmetric and it shows Maynard landing 47 strikes in the first round. I must have misunderstood Rogan.

TimmyBoston

01-04-2011, 12:11 PM

Edited to add:

I was looking at fightmetric and it shows Maynard landing 47 strikes in the first round. I must have misunderstood Rogan.

Rogan was quoted in the media as saying 97. He must have gotten bad info because you heard him correctly.

SmoovD

01-04-2011, 12:39 PM

I thought the card was fairly entertaining with a few good fights. Gomi was disappointing but Guida showed great movement and really took Gomi out of his game. The Silva/Vera fight was embarassing. Probably Vera's last fight in UFC??? I was impressed by Stann taking it to Leben. Leben's brawling/bullying style normally leads to fights that favor him. When the fight really opened up it was Stann who did the damage. What is to say about the Edgar/Maynard fight? Maynard came close to a stoppage but didn't get it. I saw the 1st round 10-8 Maynard with Edgar taking the rest...although I thought the 3rd could have gone either way. 47-47 is fair but I wouldn't have had an issue if Edgar had won. The rematch should be a good one. And in the wings, Pettis gets to watch these two maul one another again.

The Nid Hog

01-22-2011, 05:07 PM

Prelims for tonight's event are being broadcast live on UFC's Facebook page. Just hit the "like" button and you'll go to it. Spike is carrying the main event later on.

The Nid Hog

01-22-2011, 08:39 PM

Pretty good card tonight, and an excellent cause. Nobody else watching?

SRock

01-22-2011, 08:46 PM

Prelims for tonight's event are being broadcast live on UFC's Facebook page. Just hit the "like" button and you'll go to it. Spike is carrying the main event later on.

I caught part of this after a conference call I was on. Overall it was a decent showing. No real game changing performances IMHO.

Oh and Guillard sounded like a bone head.

He may have had a great fight, but...

"My Uncle was a four-star Brigadier General in the US Army."

Which was he Melvin a one-star or a four-star? :lol:

SRock

01-22-2011, 08:51 PM

Pretty good card tonight, and an excellent cause. Nobody else watching?

Sorry we were posting at the same time.

This is/was for an excellent cause! :thumbup1:

TimmyBoston

01-22-2011, 10:26 PM

Fantastic cause.

Mediocre fights. Guillard looked good. Hominick looked good. Mitrione had that one in the bag before it began. Barry has to use more leg kicks. He's an idiot. I didn't think Wiman would win, but he dominated.

I hope they raised as much the first one. I wish they would do one of these at least once a year.

SRock

01-22-2011, 11:28 PM

Fantastic cause.

I hope they raised as much the first one. I wish they would do one of these at least once a year.

+1, I'd like to see them do this at least 1x per year but from different bases. Each year they should hit a different base from a different branch of service. That would be awesome.

We just had an MMA demo here on base. Five professional fighters (biggest name was Nate Quarry) came here to showcase their skills and put on a free MMA clinic. Its pretty cool how some of these guys give back. :thumbup1:

Sullybob

01-23-2011, 09:46 AM

Which was he Melvin a one-star or a four-star? :lol:

:lol::lol: I caught that too.

I thought that fights were good and the cause was better.

And Barry really needs to do more leg kicks. I think if that fight would have had another minute left he would have won by leg kicks.

Guillard looked great.

The Nid Hog

01-23-2011, 10:59 AM

:lol::lol: I caught that too.

I thought that fights were good and the cause was better.

And Barry really needs to do more leg kicks. I think if that fight would have had another minute left he would have won by leg kicks.

Guillard looked great.

I don't know what the deal is with Barry. He turned it on toward the end of the third round, but he's just not aggressive enough. He needs to be more active, improve his striking and get some killer instinct. Barring some late-career transformation, I don't think he's ever going to be able to hang with a well-rounded fighter.