The MMA Thread

[outclass]

Chucks punching power only worked on grapplers with terrible striking, huh? Terrible strikers like Pele? Like Vitor Belfort? Like Alistair Overeem?

Or what about the 16 professional kickboxers he beat before he started fighting mma? I guess they were all terrible strikers too.:001_rolle


Pele clearly outstriked Liddell

Overeem absolutely raped Liddell on the feet for the first minutes of the fight , and than , as usual , his famous shitty gas tank went empty and he got ktfo

Vitor is a solid striker but way too inconsistent to take seriously , and he was actually robbed in that fight


Regarding those "16 professional kickboxers" you claim Chuck beat , yeah , they are obviously terrible strikers if they lost to Chuck Liddell in a striking match

[Kenno]

Who said either don't have any power? Who said either can't throw a punch?. Lmao, awesome k o power there^^ Name any good fighter who has power and can throw a punch with a record like that.
Nogueira = 1 KO in 40 fights
Couture = 0 KO in 28 fights



Perhaps you missed Nogueira dropping Couture (twice, wasn't it?)...oh wait, lemme guess, Couture's got no chin:001_rolle

Perhaps you missed Couture dropping Sylvia 30 seconds in to their fight? Oh, right, Sylvia has no chin either:001_rolle It’s much easier to drop a guy than it is to knock him out. Hardly a good reference for punching power! Randy’s been ko’d more times than he has ko’d others! Lmao, Great chin and punching power there. Plus Noggy’s a true heavyweight where Randy’s more a lightheavy.


You talk about knockout records like they're relevant...they're not. Nogueira uses his boxing defensively and to set up his take downs so he can tap guys, and Couture uses his defensively and to get to the clinch where he can dirty box or hit a knee tap or throw and gnp guys. When they land clean they don't follow with punches, they take the fight where they want it to go. If you are going to talk about boxing skills and how awesome someone’s punching/striking power and boxing are then it is very relevant! It’s not easy to knock someone out, however it’s much easier to cop a few in the head to grab an arm?


You listed a couple of guys who outboxed Nogueira (Mir, Velasquez) and 3 who absolutely did not...did you watch those fights or just check the fightfinder?. I have yet to see Noggy outbox more people than others have out boxed him. Oh yeah I forgot, he cops a few in the head to grab an arm to show how good his boxing skills are and how much awesome power he has.


You can disparage Chuck Liddell all you want, but the fact is he's one of the best punchers mma has ever seen. He's always had excellent timing, accuracy and power...and he can fight off his heels. Both of the Couture knockouts came as Randy was chasing Chuck, with his hands out trying to get to the clinch. There’s randy’s granite chin again. Randy gets knocked out more times than he knocks others out. Most of his loses are by tko or ko! What happened when Chuck the gorilla faced someone who can throw em better, he got ko’d, I always knew Evans was gonna ko him, much faster to the punch than the gorilla and had better combo’s.

[thunderball]

Strikeforce hopes: Mousasi, Aoki, Henderson. If these three win I will be digging into the cellar and cracking a bottle of the good stuff. :thumbup1:

[Kenno]

Sure, technique + speed/power/reflexes beats just technique...whats your point again?. Didn’t you say, “While hand speed and reflexes can contribute to one's success as a boxer, they don't make you a good boxer...technique does.”? Like I said before if you just look good but got no speed, power and reflexes then you’re just a show pony or a punching bag for others.




I'll say it again, Nogueira's technique is impeccable...just because he's not one of the best technical boxers, pound for pound, that the world has ever seen doesn't mean he doesn't show exemplary technique every time he fights...he does, and if you don't agree you haven't been paying attention. If you mean “boxers” as not ufc/mma but boxing, I’m not even comparing him to “boxers”, just mma/ufc. You did say he’s the best in the heavy’s and to say after 30 years of following boxing and 3 years of ufc I’m not paying attention is laughable.“Impeccable” is way over the top, eat 50 punches to grab an arm, impeccable boxing/punching?




My turn to lmao:rofl: Best boxer in the heavies? Please...at this point JDS has shown nothing to suggest he's not another Chuck Liddell...a big puncher that will eventually start getting timed and KTFO'd. I personally think he's got more potential than that, but he has yet to show it, and calling him the best boxer in the hevies in laughable. Lmao,,now who’s the one not paying attention. Just watch how noggy wins and ko’s people with his fists and then watch Junior show you how it’s done. Oh yeah what’s noggy’s ko record again, 1 .Chuck’s one of the slowest fighters/boxers in the ufc. Evans has way better boxing skills and showed Chuch for what he is, slow. Junior has speed and power chuck only has a slow right hand and plus, Junior doesn’t move around like a gorilla. To say Junior hasn't been impressive and hasn't shown his potential is a severe understatement and Noggy a great technical boxer a sever overstatement!




No, they can't be learned...they can be trained...but at the end of the day genetics is king. Some guys are born with more fast-twitch muscle fibers...thats just the way it is.. Lmao, What if he trained for 50 years but never learned? You can definitely learn how to improve your reflexes/power and speed! Genetics is not the only factor. Some say fast twitch fibres are a factor and that the reason the Caribbean runners are so fast. On the other hand Table Tennis calls for just as fast reflexes and fast twitch muscles but I’ve yet to see an African or Jamaican excel at that? Not all the sons and daughters of runners/boxers or any other sport become champions! I believe a lot has to do with the sporting culture in the country and the ability for an individual to learn. South America for it’s soccer/football, China/Asia for Table tennis, USA for its NFL/Baseball, England/Australia for its Rugby, Africans for their running, Europe for soccer and tennis.




:rofl: Its funny that you claim JDS is the best boxer in the heavies on the strength of his KO streak, but then concede that Cain, with one KO, may be better...is a little consistency too much to ask for?. lmao, I was saying Cain is a much better boxer/puncher than Noggy. It was just after I said how sloppy Noggy was, (remember he eats 50 punches to grab an arm). Why would I say Juniors the best in the heavy’s to then say Cain is better?


:For the record, the boxing Cain showed against Nogueira is was obviously cleaner than anything we've seen from JDS...thats why it was so impressive. You want to quote records? How many wins by ko and his fist does Noggy have and how many does Junior have? Cleaner than anything Junior has is a bit far fetched. A blind beat up Noggy who’s copped a lot of punches is not so much more impressive all things considered. Juniors punching/striking is just as impressive. Both Cain and Junior are the best punchers/boxers in the heavy’s with some of the best ko records. Like I said before (after the Noggy fight) I love em both, but for me Junior is the best! I have great respect for Noggy as a fighter.




You can laugh, but you can't cite a single objective reason Randy's boxing is sub-par.. Obviously you haven’t been paying attention, how many ko’s does he have again? If he knew what it takes to be a good boxer/puncher he’d have a few and he wouldn’t get knocked out by Chuck twice. Plus he’s slow, doesn’t have good power or reflexes. Man both Randy and Chuck are slow and way past their best and hardly good examples even in their prime, same goes for Noggy, due respect to em as I have nothing but respect for em, great fighters in their own right!




If you want to stay in your little bubble I can't force you:001_tt2. No worries, as far as boxing skills go you keep watching Noggy and Randy and I’ll keep watching Junior and Cain. I'll see knockouts and awesome striking while you watch Randy and Noggy cop 50 in the head to grab an arm to impress you with their boxing/striking power and 2 ko's!




When someone who studies and follows boxing says someone is a good boxer, thats exactly what they mean.. lmao. Has all this technique and still has a record of 0 wins 25 losses with no ko’s. Like I said before just because you “look good doesn’t mean you are, your just a show pony. Then again didn’t you just say above, quote” Sure, technique + speed/power/reflexes beats just technique...whats your point again?”


Tyson had "average" technique? Tyson had FANTASTIC technique until he started head hunting late in his career (right about the time he started losing). There you go again and nice try. If you care to read I put “"average" technique” after Foreman, NOT Tyson! Are you also going to claim I said Ali had (crap technique btw from your point of view) or was I referring to MARCIANO? Then I said, “Would anyone dare say “Foreman” and “Marciano” were not good boxers? Man they were world “boxing”champions! So please quote me fairly!


Speed, power and reflexes are important, but without technique they are nothing...technique is king.You can’t have it both ways, your quote,” Sure, technique + speed/power/reflexes beats just technique, unquote! From your point of view as a boxing is concerned I would much rather have fast/powerful hands and reflexes than, fires from his guard, he's got an effective jab, he moves laterally and cuts angles, his head movement is solid, he throws combos that make sense, he counters well, he rolls with punches in the pocket, he's got pretty good timing BUT can’t win a fight. No point having all this if you can’t inflict some damage, otherwise you only look good like a show pony. Anyone say Marciano or Foreman where not good boxers, they maybe didn’t look “pretty” but they were World “Boxing” Champions! All the great boxers have speed or power or good reflexes and all the pretty ones/show pony’s wish they did! If you go to your original post about why Junior is crap and Noggy is a much better boxer, I would much rather as a boxer have what Junior has than what Noggy has by a mile! 1 ko in 40 fights and eat 50 to grab an arm, great technique that.

[Kenno]

Couture's chin is weak? Go watch that head kick he ate from Gonzaga and say that again. I tend to agree, what keeps Randy going is not so much his chin but his heart and he has a big one!


That overhand against Sylvia was nothing to write home about? He put a guy with an 11" reach advantage and a notoriously hard jaw on his back 30 seconds in to the fight and its nothing to write home about?. About the only time he’s every done something like that. It’s easy to knock a guy down, (off balance, lucky punch or whatever) much harder to knock him out. How many ko’s has Randy got again, 6, no that’s about how many times he has been knocked out. If your going to establish your credentials you gotta do it more than a once.


Perhaps you are forgetting that these guys are mma fighters...boxing is one element of their game, not their entire skillset. As I said before they use their boxing defensively, and to set up their takedowns/clinch work.. No ones arguing that.


You can scoff at Nogueira's defense all you want, it just reveals that you haven't payed much attention...his chin rep was built on eating huge leather on the ground against the likes of Fedor and Bob Sapp, and getting kicked in the peanut by the likes of Crocop...not by eating an inordinate amount of punches...go rewatch some of his fights, you might be surprised;). I believe he did say Noggy’s got a good chin, I say it too, then again it’s had plenty of practice with his "great boxing skills".


Chucks punching power only worked on grapplers with terrible striking, huh? Terrible strikers like Pele? Like Vitor Belfort? Like Alistair Overeem?

Or what about the 16 professional kickboxers he beat before he started fighting mma? I guess they were all terrible strikers too.:001_rolle A lot depends on how good these kickboxers are and your opponents. Chuck is an ok striker with good power like Silva with a long reach and a decent right hand. But Chuck is slow and doesn’t have very good reflexes and Tim is a lazy azz who runs outta gas. Both Tim and Chuck also have a height advantage which helps them strike easier. When Chuck comes up against good boxers/punchers they always show him up.

[Kenno]

Wow, you guys have been busy in this thread!

Me and me mates are always carrying on like this. Something to talk and laugh about. All in good fun.

[RBE17]

What's everyone's thoughts on Faber .vs. Aldo and Cerrone .vs. Henderson? I think both fights are going to be incredible. Aldo is phenomenal and Faber really pushes the pace, but seems to be reckless at times. Cerrone and Henderson have fought before. I'm hoping Cerrone can capitalize on his experience from the first fight in order to win the title. I'm also hoping he doesn't have any problems throwing knees in the clinch like he did against Ed Ratcliff.

Anyone have an opinion on these fights? The post kind of got buried in the striking / boxing debate.

[SmoovD]

Anyone have an opinion on these fights? The post kind of got buried in the striking / boxing debate.

I think Faber is gonna get rolled by Aldo because he exposes himself too much. Hope it is a good fight though.

The Cerrone/Henderson fight? As long as they bring it like they did the first time around I am cool. Probably pulling for Cerrone, if for no other reason than a Cerrone/Henderson III match.

[RBE17]

I think Faber is gonna get rolled by Aldo because he exposes himself too much. Hope it is a good fight though.

The Cerrone/Henderson fight? As long as they bring it like they did the first time around I am cool. Probably pulling for Cerrone, if for no other reason than a Cerrone/Henderson III match.

I was watching some hypo for the Aldo/Faber fight. Aldo is so explosive and that flying knee is incredible. I remember watching him decimate Cub Swanson w/ it in the first 10 seconds of their fight. Faber had a good run and I think he will push the pace, but will expose himself, as you pointed out, in doing so.

The first Cerrone/Henderson fight was great. If Cerrone hadn't started slow, I think he would've won. I'm fine w/ either one of them being champion, as long as whoever fights Varner next destroys him.

[thunderball]

Kenno mate...you're on fire. :001_rolle

[SRock]

Strikeforce hopes: Mousasi, Aoki, Henderson. If these three win I will be digging into the cellar and cracking a bottle of the good stuff. :thumbup1:

I'd back those bets/hopes.


Me and me mates are always carrying on like this. Something to talk and laugh about. All in good fun.

:lol: As long as it stays all in good fun and nobody takes it personally!


Kenno mate...you're on fire. :001_rolle

:lol::lol: He's a very passionate boxer. We've gone back and forth like this before as well.

[Kenno]

Kenno mate...you're on fire. :001_rolle

I'm red hot!

No one dishes on Junior and gets away with it!

[Kenno]

:lol: As long as it stays all in good fun and nobody takes it personally!



:lol::lol: He's a very passionate boxer. We've gone back and forth like this before as well.

Mate, I got two mates who are karate freaks (poo) one wrestler who represented school and another 2 boxing mates (ex-amatuer fighter). When we're at the pub or at someone's home and we've had a few shandy's and this kind of stuff comes up all hell breaks lose. Plenty of times it's come to push n shove and plenty times we've told each other how many times we love each other.:a7:

Ya know Robbo, I don't know if Junior has a boxing background or whatever it doesn't matter, I love watching him, from his entrance, the throwdown challange, watchin his fists fly and the psycho moves like headbutting the octagon when he wins. I love his style! Same goes for Cain, Love watchin him too. These two guys bring it and let it fly! There are many others I like watchin and none of their styles are boxing/striking, like Lesnar, Machida, GSP, Mir, Cro Cop in his prime and Palhares.

[Kenno]

Anyone have an opinion on these fights? .

Who cares, where's Mejnoon?

[RBE17]

I care, but apparently nobody else does since I didn't offer up any critique about striking, grappling or boxing technique. I hoping for insight from the folks that actually have MMA experience as I'm a casual viewer.

[The Nid Hog]

Who cares, where's Mejnoon?

Ease up there big guy.

[The Nid Hog]

I agree with Mousasi and Hendo, but I'm not sure about Aoki. I think that all these fights are going to be decided in the stand-up.

Lawal hasn't had a chance to really show what he's got--maybe he's ready. He's strong and fast, and a heck of a wrestler. I could see him pulling off an upset if he capitalizes on a brutal takedown early on. But he could just as easy run into a couple of hard strikes on the way in. I think that Mousasi will trade on experience and versatility, and I think that he's going to end up with the win.

Sportsbook has Melendez (-145) and Aoki (+114). It's really hard to say how this is going to go. If Melendez plays Aoki's game, he's in trouble; if he punishes Aoki on his feet, I don't think that Aoki will be able to answer. I think that striking is going to make the difference and I give the edge to Melendez.

Hendo too. I think that he's going to stop a game Shields with a shot to the head from his cinder block-like fist.

[thunderball]

I agree with Mousasi and Hendo, but I'm not sure about Aoki. I think that all these fights are going to be decided in the stand-up.

Lawal hasn't had a chance to really show what he's got--maybe he's ready. He's strong and fast, and a heck of a wrestler. I could see him pulling off an upset if he capitalizes on a brutal takedown early on. But he could just as easy run into a couple of hard strikes on the way in. I think that Mousasi will trade on experience and versatility, and I think that he's going to end up with the win.

Sportsbook has Melendez (-145) and Aoki (+114). It's really hard to say how this is going to go. If Melendez plays Aoki's game, he's in trouble; if he punishes Aoki on his feet, I don't think that Aoki will be able to answer. I think that striking is going to make the difference and I give the edge to Melendez.

Hendo too. I think that he's going to stop a game Shields with a shot to the head from his cinder block-like fist.

Excellent breakdown/prognostication sir. :thumbup1:

[SRock]

I care, but apparently nobody else does since I didn't offer up any critique about striking, grappling or boxing technique. I hoping for insight from the folks that actually have MMA experience as I'm a casual viewer.

I care, I've just been too busy to really break it down. Don't get shooed away from this great discussion thread!


Ease up there big guy.

+1


I agree with Mousasi and Hendo, but I'm not sure about Aoki. I think that all these fights are going to be decided in the stand-up.

Lawal hasn't had a chance to really show what he's got--maybe he's ready. He's strong and fast, and a heck of a wrestler. I could see him pulling off an upset if he capitalizes on a brutal takedown early on. But he could just as easy run into a couple of hard strikes on the way in. I think that Mousasi will trade on experience and versatility, and I think that he's going to end up with the win.

Sportsbook has Melendez (-145) and Aoki (+114). It's really hard to say how this is going to go. If Melendez plays Aoki's game, he's in trouble; if he punishes Aoki on his feet, I don't think that Aoki will be able to answer. I think that striking is going to make the difference and I give the edge to Melendez.

Hendo too. I think that he's going to stop a game Shields with a shot to the head from his cinder block-like fist.

I agree


Excellent breakdown/prognostication sir. :thumbup1:

+1

[Kenno]

I care, but apparently nobody else does since I didn't offer up any critique about striking, grappling or boxing technique. I hoping for insight from the folks that actually have MMA experience as I'm a casual viewer.

Take my posts with 6 shots of scotch.

Mate there will always be guys here to answer your questions.

[Kenno]

Ease up there big guy.:lol:

[Kenno]

Nice to see you chime in Kenno!

Bet ya regret sayin that now?:a13:

[The Nid Hog]

Hope you gentlemen are all tuned in to Strikeforce. The opening fight is shaping up nicely!

[outclass]

What an ugly fight , on par , or possibly even worse than Anderson\Maia

[TimmyBoston]

Thoughts on the Strikeforce fights and results. ?

I was so bored, I walked out in the middle of the last fight to take my dog for a walk. Even in spite of Anderson Silva's recent worst fight ever, I thought this was a disaster.

Mousasi was deplorable, how he was so easily beaten by a vastly inferior opponent was disgraceful. Mo is a heck of a wrestler, but he has nothing else at all. It was a joke. Aoki further demonstrated how Japanese fighters on the whole are just not up to snuff with the top Americans and Brazilians today. As for Henderson/Shields, after the first two fights I don't even care. :thumbdown


I openly loathe StrikeForce, I think it's a joke, but I really looking forward to this card tonight and all it did was reinforce every negative opinion I have of the whole company.

[outclass]

Thoughts on the Strikeforce fights and results. ?

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Well , this is what I said after wathcing the Mousasi \ King Mo fight -


What an ugly fight , on par , or possibly even worse than Anderson\Maia

I think this is pretty much conclude the other two fights as well

[SRock]

Bet ya regret sayin that now?:a13:

Nah, Mate I like to see a boxers opinion on MMA. Just remember to play nice with others. :lol:


Hope you gentlemen are all tuned in to Strikeforce. The opening fight is shaping up nicely!

Watching it now....

Melendez was clearly too much for Aoki. The surprise is that it was points from GNP that likely won it for him.


What an ugly fight , on par , or possibly even worse than Anderson\Maia


Thoughts on the Strikeforce fights and results. ?

I was so bored, I walked out in the middle of the last fight to take my dog for a walk. Even in spite of Anderson Silva's recent worst fight ever, I thought this was a disaster.

Mousasi was deplorable, how he was so easily beaten by a vastly inferior opponent was disgraceful. Mo is a heck of a wrestler, but he has nothing else at all. It was a joke. Aoki further demonstrated how Japanese fighters on the whole are just not up to snuff with the top Americans and Brazilians today. As for Henderson/Shields, after the first two fights I don't even care. :thumbdown


I openly loathe StrikeForce, I think it's a joke, but I really looking forward to this card tonight and all it did was reinforce every negative opinion I have of the whole company.

The first fight was ok, but that's it ok. It wasn't a good fight for a title fight especially between two "champions".

That moron Mauro Ranallo said it was a "Brilliant Fight". I can't stand that dude, nor can I stand the terrible announcer for StrikeFarce.


Well , this is what I said after wathcing the Mousasi \ King Mo fight -



I think this is pretty much conclude the other two fights as well

Darn it! Now I know the results. I may not bother watching. I was looking forward to this card (despite not really caring for Strike Force) and I wasn't impressed with the Aoki fight and I'm not expecting much from from the remaining fights.

[SRock]

"He's teeing off on Henderson here." - Mauro Renallo

That dude needs to look for a new job. When he made that comment Shields was occasionally dropping a half hearted punch, he was far from teeing off. The second round is about to end and this hasn't been impressive at all.

[SRock]

Hendo looked like crap! He's 5-4 in his last 9 fights and 3-2 (with 2 of 3 wins by way of decision) in the UFC. He should have easily dispatched Shields who won (though he didn't really look spectacular).

Is Hendo done? Discuss

[SRock]

So the "post-fight confrontation" between Jake Shields (BTW started by Shields) and Mayhem would NEVER happen in the UFC and if it did there would be a bunch of fighters without contracts.

My wife said, "Strikeforce is so white trash." :yesnod: I have to agree that just looked totally ridiculous.

[SRock]

Mousasi was deplorable, how he was so easily beaten by a vastly inferior opponent was disgraceful. Mo is a heck of a wrestler, but he has nothing else at all. It was a joke.

Agreed, maybe Silva needs to sign with SF his shenanigans would fit right in with that crew. From its announcer to its commentators to its fighters it is simply second rate. What a terrible card. I won't be surprised if CBS cuts them loose after the trailer park shenanigans after the Hendo/Shields fight.

[Kenno]

My wife said, "Strikeforce is so white trash." lmao,

I hope she don't come on here and dis Junior, this one could give me a bit of trouble.

[thunderball]

I was wrong on all three of my predictions. That is so terrible it's kinda awesome. :blush:

[The Nid Hog]

Wow, I don't get all the Strikeforce hate. Do you guys refuse to ride in cars unless they're Bentleys? Strikeforce is just a regional promotion that suddenly got an infusion of cash and some media popularity. Why fault it for being what it is? I'll happily watch King of the Cage, Strikeforce, K-1, Dream (which I think is more high production values than good quality fights these days, although they still have some strong competitors). Heck, I even watched Rio Heroes on line with my buddies. It is what it is. The brawl at the end didn't take anything away from it for me either. I mean, I'm not watching to see these fights to see if I will allow any of the fighters to take my daughter to the prom. They're not all fine upstanding young gentlemen--and that's OK with me. As long as they fight by the rules and are penalized when they don't.

I think that the Aoki fight pointed out to a one dimensional quality of Japanese MMA that is actually popular (in Japan). You can make a career in Japan by being known for your heel hook, and the crowd loves it. On the other hand, there have always been well rounded fighters that made up for that. The problem for those guys is that I don't think they can match the conditioning of athletes who are training for UFC level competition. In the glory days of Pride, that wasn't the problem because I don't think that the US was at the level that it is now either. And lots of guys were juiced up too.

I think that the combination of the professionalization of MMA and the influence of wrestlers who set the gold standard for conditioning have changed the game forever. And the Japanese gyms have been slow to respond to that. I used to work out at a gym outside Tokyo where a lot of K-1 fighters train. Their workouts were tough--make no mistake about it. But it didn't have the organized, planned look of what you see at the top level in the UFC. And I don't think that it focused on the unbelievable levels of conditioning that you see today.

The thing is, I don't think that Aoki is really the guy to expose that. In some ways, he's a throwback to the old Gracie model. Do what it takes to get a limb, then go to work. The real test of Japanese competitiveness would be to set up a fight for a guy like Kawajiri. If he gasses or gets outworked, that would be a better guide to where Japan stands.

Mousasi was disappointing. I still don't think that Lawal has shown anything that we didn't already know about him. Gifted wrestler, tremendous athlete. Mousasi just didn't to what it took--like defending against takedowns even a little bit--to keep the fight on its feet and he didn't look like he had the strength or even the interest to work for submissions from the bottom. Up until the third round, I thought that he was waiting Lawal out, hoping for him to gas. After that, it was like he was thinking about his taxes or something. He just wasn't there. That's not the way to become the next Fedor.

Pretty much the same is true of Dan. I don't think that he's too old, but maybe too worn? He looked like a Rock 'em Sock 'em Robot in there. If you haven't played that in a while, remember that they don't have a ground game either. If he had put Shields away in the first, we probably wouldn't have found out about this yet (remember that still of Bisping dropping like a dried fish?), but it would have happened sooner or later. If the ever-unreliable MMA media is to be believed, he had a bad weight cut too. But all those issues--back injury, training, cut, etc.--point to weaknesses that he has to address. Do I think he's done? No. But he has to get healthy and stop relying on the one punch KO.

That's all I have time for now--what about you guys?

[SmoovD]

Wouldn't you just know it...I turned it off just as the Shields/Hendo fight finished so I missed the most exciting part of the night.

I found the fights to be sub-par. If SF was trying to showcase their talent they might want to reevaluate. Championship caliber fights these were not. King Mo was gassed in the second but Mousasi couldn't stop a takedown. Once on the ground Mo hadn't a clue. Not one. Mousasi had to have been either sick or injured. Even though once on the ground it was Mousasi who got the better of the ground game. Horrible fight.

Aoki is another Japanese fighter that is too one dimensional. He had no answer for Gil's strikes. I did love the right to Aoki when he was trying to crab at Gil. What the heck was Mario thinking reprimanding Gil? This was the best fight of the night, IMHO.

Hendo came out swinging- thought it was going to be an early night. Don't know if Hendo is injured (back) or just plain too old but he looked terrible. He looked stiff and tired. Shields can grapple but the guy would get pummeled in the UFC.

Ringside is always a joke at SF. Gus was his over-the-top, clueless self. If you don't know WTF is going on in the cage, please say nothing. And Mauro...well, he just like a rusty spoon being rammed into ear drum. SF announcers make me long for Goldie and Rogan. It pains me to type that.

I caught the replay of the scuffle. I have a few questions and a statement: WTH was Miller doing in the cage? Is SF done on CBS courtesy of the Gracie crew? Does anyone really think that this would have happened at a UFC event? The Diaz brothers are nothing but thugs who found a way to make some money and to keep themselves out of jail.

[The Nid Hog]

I do agree that the broadcast crew for Strikeforce is terrible. They need to fire all those guys. Michael Schiavello and Frank Trigg did a much better job with KOTC in Detroit (although I could live without Maria Kanellis). Somebody needs to get Bas behind a ringside microphone on a regular basis.

[TimmyBoston]

I do agree that the broadcast crew for Strikeforce is terrible. They need to fire all those guys. Michael Schiavello and Frank Trigg did a much better job with KOTC in Detroit (although I could live without Maria Kanellis). Somebody needs to get Bas behind a ringside microphone on a regular basis.

I totally agree. Anyone could do a better job than the morons they have now.

[Barbash]

I do agree that the broadcast crew for Strikeforce is terrible. They need to fire all those guys. Michael Schiavello and Frank Trigg did a much better job with KOTC in Detroit (although I could live without Maria Kanellis). Somebody needs to get Bas behind a ringside microphone on a regular basis.

First off totally agree with you and everyone else about how poor the broadcast crew was and typically is for SF.

I just got through watching the fights and agree with most of the comments that this was a sub par event. King was gassed with over a minute left in round one, but his take downs were impressive. I also thought Shields was done after the first round, but I give him credit for controlling the rest of the fight. Although nothing he threw while in the mount looked to have anything behind it.

The "fight" after the show was a joke! You have seen fighters in the UFC call each other out after matches, but I don't think you would ever see an all out brawl like this. Why was there so many people in the ring to begin with?

[SRock]

lmao,

I hope she don't come on here and dis Junior, this one could give me a bit of trouble.

Nah, she is neutral when it comes to JDS.


I was wrong on all three of my predictions. That is so terrible it's kinda awesome. :blush:

So was I! That rarely happens. Oh well, I'm not sure if they would have went the other way it would have mattered anyway. SF puts on such a terrible show (the production not the fighters).


I do agree that the broadcast crew for Strikeforce is terrible. They need to fire all those guys. Michael Schiavello and Frank Trigg did a much better job with KOTC in Detroit (although I could live without Maria Kanellis). Somebody needs to get Bas behind a ringside microphone on a regular basis.

Agreed, they need to clean house and bring in real professionals. Heck I think Jim Ross from the WWE would do a better job.


I totally agree. Anyone could do a better job than the morons they have now.

Agreed


The "fight" after the show was a joke! You have seen fighters in the UFC call each other out after matches, but I don't think you would ever see an all out brawl like this. Why was there so many people in the ring to begin with?

Nick Diaz and his crew got into a fight in the emergency room after he lost to Joe Riggs back in '06. Notice Diaz isn't in the UFC anymore. He had three fights after Riggs and the UFC didn't renew his contract.

[Barbash]

Heck I think Jim Ross from the WWE would do a better job.

With Jerry "The King" Lawler as the color commentator.

[SRock]

With Jerry "The King" Lawler as the color commentator.

Nah, I could do without Lawler.

Could he be trained to take on a giant like Lesnar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm6oh4wqTKg

Former 5x worlds strongest man Mariusz Pudzianowski fought and won his first and only MMA match back in December. Think he has a career in MMA?

[Soopercat]

Nah, I could do without Lawler.

Could he be trained to take on a giant like Lesnar:

qm6oh4wqTKg

Former 5x worlds strongest man Mariusz Pudzianowski fought and won his first and only MMA match back in December. Think he has a career in MMA?

I think the issue will be Nevada or any other states performance enhancing drug testing program. As for intensity he's got that and then some.

Kind regards,

[SRock]

I think the issue will be Nevada or any other states performance enhancing drug testing program. As for intensity he's got that and then some.

Kind regards,

He doesn't have the legitimate grappling background that Brock does. As far as 'roids go, Brock is making it so I suspect the former worlds strongest man could as well.

[The Nid Hog]

That guy has Dream Super Hulk Tournament written all over him.

[Kenno]

man i loved watching mariusz in the wsm, he is a very powerfull man. i think he could do very well. if he gets a hold of you he'll pick you up and do a helicopter with ya and throw ya out of the octagong!

hope he does well and he could bring in the crowds. if he trains like he did in the wsm for mma he could be dangerous. i think he's awseome strength could be a huge asset.

in his second fight he's up against tim sylvia? super mario always did aim high.

btw how come he was wearing shoes?

[Kenno]

Who said either don't have any power? Who said either can't throw a punch?

Perhaps you missed Couture dropping Sylvia 30 seconds in to their fight? Oh, right, Sylvia has no chin either:001_rolle

Perhaps you missed a washed up no training 50 year old ex boxer by the name of Ray Mercer knock Tim Silva out in 9 seconds? :lol:

Why didn't none of you guys tell me that?:lol:

[xivex]

Tim Sylvia sucks, I hate him and wish he'd retire. He's terrible, he's fat, he's ugly and he has little to no skills. Washed up! :thumbup:

[Mejnoon]

Who cares, where's Mejnoon?

Sorry fellas, been busy with work and training. Forgive me if I don't go back and restart our previous debate...I'm afraid the arguments have gotten a little circular, and I think in the best interests of this thread we should just let it die.


Perhaps you missed a washed up no training 50 year old ex boxer by the name of Ray Mercer knock Tim Silva out in 9 seconds? :lol:

Why didn't none of you guys tell me that?:lol:

You mean Olympic Gold Medalist and former Heavyweight Champion of the World Ray Mercer? Yeah, I caught that one:001_rolle

Sorry, couldn't resist...ok I'm done:lol:


Nick Diaz and his crew got into a fight in the emergency room after he lost to Joe Riggs back in '06. Notice Diaz isn't in the UFC anymore. He had three fights after Riggs and the UFC didn't renew his contract.

Thats completely incorrect...the UFC guaranteed Diaz additional fights after Gleison Tibau and he turned them down to sign with the Gracie Fighting Championships, out of loyalty to Cesar Gracie...when that promotion imploded, Pride 33 came around and he fought Gomi, then went on to other opportunities. He was never cut, and the UFC never elected not to renew his contract.

Which brings me to an interesting point. People love to hate the Diaz brothers...they're controversial characters, but I think they get far more derision than they deserve.

If you consider loyalty the better part of class they are the classiest fighters in the sport. Did you see Nate's interview after the Markham fight? The first words out of his mouth were "my brother is the best fighter in the world." Did you see Nick's interview after the Zaromskis fight? "My brother won his last fight, that was bs." Find me another example of a fighter talking about anything but themselves directly after a victory.

They're loyal to a fault, to one another and to their team...thats a quality thats all too rare in mma today. I've met Nate, and he's extremely polite and respectful in person...people I know who've met Nick say the same thing, and thats more than I can some for other fighters I've met. They value loyalty and respect above all else...is that really a bad thing? Some might call them thugs...others might call them good brothers and true friends.

Just something to think about:wink:


So the "post-fight confrontation" between Jake Shields (BTW started by Shields)

How was it started by Shields? Mayhem snuck in to the cage and slid up in Shields grill mid-interview...it wasn't a pre-planned rematch hype session, Mayhem squatted on Shields moment in an attempt to get some air time.

Mayhem knew full well he was going to incite a brawl. Get up in somebody's face like that in the street and you're liable to start a fight...why would he think it would turn out any differently doing it in a cage with the Diaz brothers? If your friend ran his mouth to a bunch of drunken frat boys or something and got beat up as a result, would you tell people he didn't start it? Of course not.


and Mayhem would NEVER happen in the UFC and if it did there would be a bunch of fighters without contracts.

My wife said, "Strikeforce is so white trash." :yesnod: I have to agree that just looked totally ridiculous.

It already happened in the UFC (UFC 45, Cabbage/Tank):wink:

This idea that the UFC is somehow "above" this sort of thing, or that Strikeforce is the one using the pro wrestling model is downright laughable.

Have we all forgotten that Dana White thrust mma in to the mainstream on the backs of a bunch of impulsive young athletes that he shoved in to a house stocked with booze and ecouraged to wile out? Have we forgotten the drunken idiocy, the destruction of property, the bodily fluids in food, that are all typical of the very vehicle which carried the UFC in to the spotlight?

Have we forgotten which promotion gave a former pro wrestler with a 2-1 record a title shot?

Have we forgotten the single most McMahon-esque publicity stunt (http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=3680&zoneid=3) ever attempted by an mma promoter?

Stop being ridiculous:001_rolle

On to the fights...

Aoki/Melendez - GREAT fight. Mad respect to Gil for dropping right in to Aoki's guard...I thought he'd back out every chance he got. Fantastic performance by Melendez...you can discount the win by saying Aoki/Japanese fighters are overrated, but you'd be making a mistake...Gil is that dude, he stacks up favorably with almost anyone in the UFC lightweight division.

Mousasi/Mo - Mo is the real deal...I've only seen a few guys in mma drive through a double like he does. Mousasi should have poured it on and tried to finish with strikes at the end of the second round rather than trying to take the back. I was also a little dissapointed to see him striking off his back so much rather than controlling Mo's wrists and trying to set something up...strikes off your back don't win fights (with the rare exception being the perfectly placed upkick a la Mousasi/Jacare), they reflect frustration.

Shields/Hendo - A few months ago, Hendo was the undisputed number 2 in the UFC MW division. A couple weeks ago, he was gonna smash Shields. Now he's washed up, done?:rolleyes: Please. Just like Melendez, Shields is that dude. Jon Fitch has called him the most underrated fighter in mma, said he'd do just fine against UFC welterweights...when is he going to get some respect? Besides getting caught in the first, Shields dominated Hendo, he didn't just beat him.

After seeing Hendo get smashed by a puffed up welterweight, anyone who doubts that the top fighters in each Strikeforce division are right up their with the top guys in the respective UFC division is in denial.

Oh, and one last thing...this event blew UFC 112 out of the water:wink2:

[TimmyBoston]

Sorry fellas, been busy with work and training. Forgive me if I don't go back and restart our previous debate...I'm afraid the arguments have gotten a little circular, and I think in the best interests of this thread we should just let it die.



You mean Olympic Gold Medalist and former Heavyweight Champion of the World Ray Mercer? Yeah, I caught that one:001_rolle

Sorry, couldn't resist...ok I'm done:lol:



Thats completely incorrect...the UFC guaranteed Diaz additional fights after Gleison Tibau and he turned them down to sign with the Gracie Fighting Championships, out of loyalty to Cesar Gracie...when that promotion imploded, Pride 33 came around and he fought Gomi, then went on to other opportunities. He was never cut, and the UFC never elected not to renew his contract.

Which brings me to an interesting point. People love to hate the Diaz brothers...they're controversial characters, but I think they get far more derision than they deserve.

If you consider loyalty the better part of class they are the classiest fighters in the sport. Did you see Nate's interview after the Markham fight? The first words out of his mouth were "my brother is the best fighter in the world." Did you see Nick's interview after the Zaromskis fight? "My brother won his last fight, that was bs." Find me another example of a fighter talking about anything but themselves directly after a victory.

They're loyal to a fault, to one another and to their team...thats a quality thats all too rare in mma today. I've met Nate, and he's extremely polite and respectful in person...people I know who've met Nick say the same thing, and thats more than I can some for other fighters I've met. They value loyalty and respect above all else...is that really a bad thing? Some might call them thugs...others might call them good brothers and true friends.

Just something to think about:wink:



How was it started by Shields? Mayhem snuck in to the cage and slid up in Shields grill mid-interview...it wasn't a pre-planned rematch hype session, Mayhem squatted on Shields moment in an attempt to get some air time.

Mayhem knew full well he was going to incite a brawl. Get up in somebody's face like that in the street and you're liable to start a fight...why would he think it would turn out any differently doing it in a cage with the Diaz brothers? If your friend ran his mouth to a bunch of drunken frat boys or something and got beat up as a result, would you tell people he didn't start it? Of course not.



It already happened in the UFC (UFC 45, Cabbage/Tank):wink:

This idea that the UFC is somehow "above" this sort of thing, or that Strikeforce is the one using the pro wrestling model is downright laughable.

Have we all forgotten that Dana White thrust mma in to the mainstream on the backs of a bunch of impulsive young athletes that he shoved in to a house stocked with booze and ecouraged to wile out? Have we forgotten the drunken idiocy, the destruction of property, the bodily fluids in food, that are all typical of the very vehicle which carried the UFC in to the spotlight?

Have we forgotten which promotion gave a former pro wrestler with a 2-1 record a title shot?

Have we forgotten the single most McMahon-esque publicity stunt (http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=3680&zoneid=3) ever attempted by an mma promoter?

Stop being ridiculous:001_rolle

On to the fights...

Aoki/Melendez - GREAT fight. Mad respect to Gil for dropping right in to Aoki's guard...I thought he'd back out every chance he got. Fantastic performance by Melendez...you can discount the win by saying Aoki/Japanese fighters are overrated, but you'd be making a mistake...Gil is that dude, he stacks up favorably with almost anyone in the UFC lightweight division.

Mousasi/Mo - Mo is the real deal...I've only seen a few guys in mma drive through a double like he does. Mousasi should have poured it on and tried to finish with strikes at the end of the second round rather than trying to take the back. I was also a little dissapointed to see him striking off his back so much rather than controlling Mo's wrists and trying to set something up...strikes off your back don't win fights (with the rare exception being the perfectly placed upkick a la Mousasi/Jacare), they reflect frustration.

Shields/Hendo - A few months ago, Hendo was the undisputed number 2 in the UFC MW division. A couple weeks ago, he was gonna smash Shields. Now he's washed up, done?:rolleyes: Please. Just like Melendez, Shields is that dude. Jon Fitch has called him the most underrated fighter in mma, said he'd do just fine against UFC welterweights...when is he going to get some respect? Besides getting caught in the first, Shields dominated Hendo, he didn't just beat him.

After seeing Hendo get smashed by a puffed up welterweight, anyone who doubts that the top fighters in each Strikeforce division are right up their with the top guys in the respective UFC division is in denial.

Oh, and one last thing...this event blew UFC 112 out of the water:wink2:

I knew it was coming and arguing about it isn't worth my time. :frown2:

[SRock]

That guy has Dream Super Hulk Tournament written all over him.

:lol::lol: Seriously he's bigger than Lesnar! That's insane. When he's shredded to near bodybuilder levels he hovers around 280 at 265 Brock looks like he could still cut up a bit.


man i loved watching mariusz in the wsm, he is a very powerfull man. i think he could do very well. if he gets a hold of you he'll pick you up and do a helicopter with ya and throw ya out of the octagong!

hope he does well and he could bring in the crowds. if he trains like he did in the wsm for mma he could be dangerous. i think he's awseome strength could be a huge asset.

in his second fight he's up against tim sylvia? super mario always did aim high.

btw how come he was wearing shoes?

I'm sure he'll bring in the crowds and I wouldn't be surprised if he destroys Sylvia.


..

Not worth debating.


I knew it was coming and arguing about it isn't worth my time. :frown2:

+1 You got that right, brother. :001_cool:

[Kenno]

You mean Olympic Gold Medalist and former Heavyweight Champion of the World Ray Mercer? Yeah, I caught that one:001_rolle

Sorry, couldn't resist...ok I'm done:lol:


I think just like your previous little mis-quotes about my posts you didn't read this one correctly either?

Perhaps you missed the "50" year old washed up way overweight ex boxer bit? lmao

[Kenno]

:lol::lol: Seriously he's bigger than Lesnar! That's insane. When he's shredded to near bodybuilder levels he hovers around 280 at 265 Brock looks like he could still cut up a bit.



I'm sure he'll bring in the crowds and I wouldn't be surprised if he destroys Sylvia.


If 50 year old Ray Mercer can Super Mario shouldn't have a problem.

After a bit more experience Mariousz and Lesnar will be something to watch.

[Soopercat]

He doesn't have the legitimate grappling background that Brock does. As far as 'roids go, Brock is making it so I suspect the former worlds strongest man could as well.

If that is the case (passing tests) then I would like to see how Alistair Overeem would do against Brock once he finish's Brett Rogers next month. Since his new found body post Pride where he fought at 185 or 205 and looked like a malnourished mutant at 6'5". In his last K1 bout he had to weight at least 275lbs, and his trainers say he still has room to grow, which I found hilarious. At 29 he has the height and technical stand up skill to cause problems for anyone, but cardio to carry that much muscle for 3-5 rounds of MMA grappling is questionable.

Kind regards,

[The Nid Hog]

I was watching Inside MMA the other day and the whole crew was cracking up every time Alistair took the screen. He's just so gigantic and getting bigger and bigger. I think that by the time he winds up getting into the cage (or the ring) with Fedor, he'll be up around 300.

Actually I agree that the Diaz brothers and the whole Gracie crew should get some more love. They're an interesting and talented group of fighters, and I think that they add a lot to MMA.

[SRock]

I was watching Inside MMA the other day and the whole crew was cracking up every time Alistair took the screen. He's just so gigantic and getting bigger and bigger. I think that by the time he winds up getting into the cage (or the ring) with Fedor, he'll be up around 300.

It is totally insane, but then again anyone can do it if they can plan/dodge testing long enough.

So does Fedor destroy a 300+lb Overeem?

[outclass]

So does Fedor destroy a 300+lb Overeem?

Steroids does not improve your chin or your heart

It will be an easy fight for Fedor

[Mejnoon]

Actually I agree that the Diaz brothers and the whole Gracie crew should get some more love. They're an interesting and talented group of fighters, and I think that they add a lot to MMA.

:thumbup1: The Diaz brothers, Shields and Melendez are perpetually underrated and with the exception of Shields, some of the most exciting fighters in the game.

Everybody knows and has seen the Diaz brothers, but if you haven't seen much of Melendez do yourself a favor and check out both Josh Thomson fights...50 minutes of some of the best mma I've ever seen. If you only watch one watch the rematch...ridiculous fight.


Steroids does not improve your chin or your heart

It will be an easy fight for Fedor

Your chin, your heart, nor your ground game. I don't understand the interest in a Fedor/Overeem match...sure, the guy has gotten bigger, but he's shown nothing to indicate he won't get thrown and submitted quickly.

Speaking of big scary guys...Mariusz is huge and incredibly powerful, but also slow and extremely awkward...Sylvia is gonna tee off on him. If he can close the distance very quickly and drag Sylvia down or something, he might win...I wouldn't count on it though.

[The Nid Hog]

It is totally insane, but then again anyone can do it if they can plan/dodge testing long enough.

So does Fedor destroy a 300+lb Overeem?

Absolutely.

[SRock]

Steroids does not improve your chin or your heart

It will be an easy fight for Fedor

I can't imagine that fighting any 300lb man is easy but I do agree that Fedor will win.


Absolutely.

Agreed

[Soopercat]

I can't imagine that fighting any 300lb man is easy but I do agree that Fedor will win.



Agreed
I don't have a prediction on Overeem/Fedor after watching Fedor struggle with Brett Rogers, could have been ring rust. After the Overeem / Rogers fight things should come into focus for both of them. Fedor is the best but Overeem has more than a punchers chance.

Kind regards,

[outclass]

Overeem / Rogers should be a fun fight to watch
I don't know who should be the favorite here to be honest

On the one hand , Overeem striking is far more technical and versatile
On the other hand , If Rogers lands one of those sloppy , freight train haymakers on that cheap cocktail glass chin of Overeem ...

[Mejnoon]

I don't have a prediction on Overeem/Fedor after watching Fedor struggle with Brett Rogers, could have been ring rust. After the Overeem / Rogers fight things should come into focus for both of them. Fedor is the best but Overeem has more than a punchers chance.

Kind regards,

Fedor struggles with everyone...right up until they're unconscious or tapping:biggrin:

Last minute WEC 48 predictions...Aldo's a bad dude, but Urijah's got something to prove, and I think he's quick enough to take Aldo down.

Jose Aldo vs. Urijah Faber
Benson Henderson vs. Donald Cerrone
Anthony Njokuani vs. Shane Roller
Antonio Banuelos vs. Scott Jorgensen

Leonard Garcia vs. Chan Sung Jung
Alex Karalexis vs. Anthony Pettis

Demetrious Johnson vs. Brad Pickett
Chad Mendes vs. Anthony Morrison
Takeya Mizugaki vs. Rani Yahya
Tyler Toner vs. Brandon Visher

[SRock]

Fedor struggles with everyone...right up until they're unconscious or tapping:biggrin:

Last minute WEC 48 predictions...Aldo's a bad dude, but Urijah's got something to prove, and I think he's quick enough to take Aldo down.

Jose Aldo vs. Urijah Faber
Benson Henderson vs. Donald Cerrone
Anthony Njokuani vs. Shane Roller
Antonio Banuelos vs. Scott Jorgensen

Leonard Garcia vs. Chan Sung Jung
Alex Karalexis vs. Anthony Pettis

Demetrious Johnson vs. Brad Pickett
Chad Mendes vs. Anthony Morrison
Takeya Mizugaki vs. Rani Yahya
Tyler Toner vs. Brandon Visher

Pretty good picks, Chris. About the only thing I might have picked differently was Karalexis.

[SmoovD]

Last night's card was excellent. I don't want to spoil so I will only report that if you haven't seen the fights....you are missing out.

[TimmyBoston]

Last night's card was excellent. I don't want to spoil so I will only report that if you haven't seen the fights....you are missing out.

It was my first WEC card I've seen, I saw it with 3 good buddies all big MMA fans and we were all bored to death. The Jorgenson fight at the beginning was really the only one we enjoyed.

[Mejnoon]

Last night's card was excellent. I don't want to spoil so I will only report that if you haven't seen the fights....you are missing out.

Fantastic card, the best I've seen in a long time...Garcia/Jung was ridiculous:thumbup:

[The Nid Hog]

I thought that WEC really put on a fantastic show last night. One compelling fight after another--and I haven't seen Garcia v. Chan yet (the one fight I missed)!


It was my first WEC card I've seen, I saw it with 3 good buddies all big MMA fans and we were all bored to death. The Jorgenson fight at the beginning was really the only one we enjoyed.

That's pretty amazing. Obviously fans have preferences for one kind of fight or another. What exactly didn't you like about WEC--or what kind of fights would you rather be watching?

[TimmyBoston]

I thought that WEC really put on a fantastic show last night. One compelling fight after another--and I haven't seen Garcia v. Chan yet (the one fight I missed)!



That's pretty amazing. Obviously fans have preferences for one kind of fight or another. What exactly didn't you like about WEC--or what kind of fights would you rather be watching?

I thought the Aldo fight was deplorable. I certainly understand the comparisons to Anderson Silva, but sadly it's the Anderson Silva of his last 3 Middleweight defenses, not the AS of his 205 fights. Jose constantly refused to put himself in harms way despite being far more talented. And the way in last round or two when Faber was on his back and he wouldn't let him get up nor would he engage only standing close enough to do nothing and try to strike him as he would get up was nothing short of shameful.

There was a fight after that one, where the guys were really swinging that looked promising, but I had to get be getting home at that point and didn't see more than a minute of that fight.

[The Nid Hog]

I thought the Aldo fight was deplorable. I certainly understand the comparisons to Anderson Silva, but sadly it's the Anderson Silva of his last 3 Middleweight defenses, not the AS of his 205 fights. Jose constantly refused to put himself in harms way despite being far more talented. And the way in last round or two when Faber was on his back and he wouldn't let him get up nor would he engage only standing close enough to do nothing and try to strike him as he would get up was nothing short of shameful.

I thought that Aldo put on a fantastic display of controlling a tremendously dangerous opponent. At one level, I guess that you could say that Aldo adopted the same kind of strategy that Matt Hughes did against Renzo. Keep the fight off the ground and damage your opponent's mobility. A wise approach to dealing with a dangerous grappler. The difference here--to me--is that Faber isn't Renzo. As Faber said in the post-fight interview, he knew how brutal Aldo's onslaught would be and he trained for it. Even so, he couldn't defend against it. I think says a lot about Aldo's ability. Faber is a always active and aggressive, but Aldo avoided his rushes and kept him from settling in at a comfortable striking range. All the while, he punished him with kicks to the legs, body and eventually the head. When Faber's mobility was so compromised that he couldn't push the takedown, Aldo was able to dictate the direction of the ground game too. The reason that he didn't let Faber up is because he was busy pounding his face with his elbows. I think that it was a tribute to just how tough Faber is that he was able to survive the crucifix in the fourth (although we knew that after the second Brown fight). Now I guess you could argue that Aldo should have pushed the pace in the fifth, but Faber is always dangerous. Aldo showed some degree of caution, but he continued to work. But, by that point, he had already broken Faber down, probably exactly as he had planned. I thought it was a heck of a fight.

[TimmyBoston]

I thought that Aldo put on a fantastic display of controlling a tremendously dangerous opponent. At one level, I guess that you could say that Aldo adopted the same kind of strategy that Matt Hughes did against Renzo. Keep the fight off the ground and damage your opponent's mobility. A wise approach to dealing with a dangerous grappler. The difference here--to me--is that Faber isn't Renzo. As Faber said in the post-fight interview, he knew how brutal Aldo's onslaught would be and he trained for it. Even so, he couldn't defend against it. I think says a lot about Aldo's ability. Faber is a always active and aggressive, but Aldo avoided his rushes and kept him from settling in at a comfortable striking range. All the while, he punished him with kicks to the legs, body and eventually the head. When Faber's mobility was so compromised that he couldn't push the takedown, Aldo was able to dictate the direction of the ground game too. The reason that he didn't let Faber up is because he was busy pounding his face with his elbows. I think that it was a tribute to just how tough Faber is that he was able to survive the crucifix in the fourth (although we knew that after the second Brown fight). Now I guess you could argue that Aldo should have pushed the pace in the fifth, but Faber is always dangerous. Aldo showed some degree of caution, but he continued to work. But, by that point, he had already broken Faber down, probably exactly as he had planned. I thought it was a heck of a fight.

Disagree with all of that, definitely in my top 5 worst fights of the year thus far. As for the crucifix, Aldo did a beautiful job setting that up and after holding it for 2 solid minutes, he couldn't finish the fight, it was pathetic. For a truly talented fighter like Aldo to fight like such a coward is one thing, but the way a lot of Ed Soares guys have become so concerned with never risking themselves and always protecting themselves, makes me not want to watch any of their fights.

[SmoovD]

Aldo dismantled Faber. And he did it in such a fashion that Faber never was able to inflict damage. It wasn't as if Faber did not try either but Aldo's defense was just too good. It would have been awesome if he would have been able to finish Faber but all in all it was a sound thrashing...of a fighter who many figured top 10 P4P. Not too shabby, IMHO.

[The Nid Hog]

Disagree with all of that, definitely in my top 5 worst fights of the year thus far. As for the crucifix, Aldo did a beautiful job setting that up and after holding it for 2 solid minutes, he couldn't finish the fight, it was pathetic. For a truly talented fighter like Aldo to fight like such a coward is one thing, but the way a lot of Ed Soares guys have become so concerned with never risking themselves and always protecting themselves, makes me not want to watch any of their fights.

Well, I can understand wanting to see the fight finished, but I don't get how hammering a guy from a crucifix is cowardly. YMMAMV.

[TimmyBoston]

Well, I can understand wanting to see the fight finished, but I don't get how hammering a guy from a crucifix is cowardly. YMMAMV.

That wasn't the cowardly part, Round 5 was, specifically when Faber was on the ground and instead of engaging him there or having the ref stand them to engage him on the feet, he was waiting to try to get a cheap shot, I would have pulled a kid out of a little league game (for the baseball equivalent naturally) for a similar display. The failing to finish him when he had a brilliantly won crucifix was downright sad.

I want to add a lot of the responsibility for my personal unhappiness with that fights belongs with Faber, he showed heart, I'll definitely give him that, his leg looked like he'd been in a motorcycle accident, but in round 2 when Aldo was really landing beginning to land the leg kicks and they were doing serious damage, he didn't change up his game plan. It obvious to any spectator from that point he was going to get destroyed and he did. I scored that fight 50-45 and I can't imagine anyone giving Faber a round. Aside from showing heart, cardio and guts to stand up to the pain, he really didn't do anything to win that fight. Against a younger, faster, and more talented opponent, he needed to change up his attack after his initial plan showed no success. Personally, I would have been happier to see him get submitted in the third after getting a takedown and see him just get sniped from long range for the next three rounds.

Nig, I think you're under the impression that I want to debate this with you, no offense but I don't. I don't mean to that sound flippant, but none of want this thread to turn into Sherdog. :smile: Personally, I'm really glad you feel like you got your money's worth, since I'm sure that PPV wasn't cheap, I'm happy you're happy with it. That's good news. :smile:

[The Nid Hog]

Nig, I think you're under the impression that I want to debate this with you, no offense but I don't. Personally, I'm really glad you feel like you got your money's worth, since I'm sure that PPV wasn't cheap, I'm happy you're happy with it. That's good news. But I have my opinion on the fight just like you have yours. I know I won't change your mind, and know why won't be swayed either. :smile:

No, I don't want to debate it at all. I was genuinely curious. I think that there was a general feeling of disappointment with the last UFC outing and Strikeforce was a mixed bag. I just thought that the guys on the WEC card stepped up and put on a pretty consistent evening of fights. I did get my money's worth 'tho--or at least what I paid for it.:wink2:

[TimmyBoston]

No, I don't want to debate it at all. I was genuinely curious. I think that there was a general feeling of disappointment with the last UFC outing and Strikeforce was a mixed bag. I just thought that the guys on the WEC card stepped up and put on a pretty consistent evening of fights. I did get my money's worth 'tho--or at least what I paid for it.:wink2:

Then we're in agreement, I got my money's worth too. I saw it for free! :lol::thumbup1:

[Mejnoon]

As for the crucifix, Aldo did a beautiful job setting that up and after holding it for 2 solid minutes, he couldn't finish the fight, it was pathetic.

Thats not really fair to Aldo. The thing about the crucifix is that while its a great control position that minimizes the opponents ability to block strikes, it essentially eliminates the ability to strike with any authority...theres just no leverage. Some refs will stop a fight quickly when a guy gets crucifixed/pitter-pattered and can't get out...some will let it go pretty much as long as the guy keeps moving. I think Rosenthal made the right call in this circumstance, particularly with a guy like Faber. It wasn't Aldo's fault.

One thing that annoys me about the crucifix is that you almost never see guys using it to set up submissions. I think they figure that if they just keep dropping strikes, no matter how weak, they'll get the stoppage...thats usually what happens. Its fairly easy to set up an americana from the crucifix, or an arm triangle...you use strikes to get the opponent to give up his free arm. Can't really blame Aldo for not doing so...he had every reason to believe the fight was going to be stopped if he kept dropping strikes.


That wasn't the cowardly part, Round 5 was, specifically when Faber was on the ground and instead of engaging him there or having the ref stand them to engage him on the feet, he was waiting to try to get a cheap shot

What do you mean by cheap shot? Since when is trying to catch a guy when he's trying to get up a cheap shot? I agree Aldo should have backed off and forced Faber stand like his corner was telling him to, but there was nothing cheap about what he did.



I want to add a lot of the responsibility for my personal unhappiness with that fights belongs with Faber, he showed heart, I'll definitely give him that, his leg looked like he'd been in a motorcycle accident, but in round 2 when Aldo was really landing beginning to land the leg kicks and they were doing serious damage, he didn't change up his game plan. It obvious to any spectator from that point he was going to get destroyed and he did. I scored that fight 50-45 and I can't imagine anyone giving Faber a round. Aside from showing heart, cardio and guts to stand up to the pain, he really didn't do anything to win that fight. Against a younger, faster, and more talented opponent, he needed to change up his attack after his initial plan showed no success. Personally, I would have been happier to see him get submitted in the third after getting a takedown and see him just get sniped from long range for the next three rounds.


I scored the first round for Faber...he was moving very well, getting in and out and landing more. When Aldo really laid in to that leg and it started affecting Urijah, he did change up his game plan, it was just too late. If you notice towards the end of the second Faber started trying to scoop the kick and turn it in to a takedown...that was the best option he had at that point, he needed a takedown desperately but he couldn't shoot with any explosiveness due to his lead leg being destroyed. He started switching stance to protect the leg, he fell to his back and tried to work leg locks...he did everything he could to get the fight to the ground. Aldo's plan was spot-on and he executed perfectly...he took away all of Urijah's tools.

[TimmyBoston]

What do you mean by cheap shot? Since when is trying to catch a guy when he's trying to get up a cheap shot? I agree Aldo should have backed off and forced Faber stand like his corner was telling him to, but there was nothing cheap about what he did.


It's been a cheap shot since man walked upright. :001_rolle

[SRock]

It's been a cheap shot since man walked upright. :001_rolle

I didn't see the fight but I read elsewhere that it looked like he was still trying to hit him while he was down (i.e.-cheap shot).

[Mejnoon]

It's been a cheap shot since man walked upright. :001_rolle


I didn't see the fight but I read elsewhere that it looked like he was still trying to hit him while he was down (i.e.-cheap shot).

We still talking about mma? :huh:

[SRock]

We still talking about mma? :huh:

:yesnod: What else would we be talking about?

[SmoovD]

I am with Chris on the Aldo trying to give Faber a cheap shot...didn't see it that way. I found fault in the ref not separating and standing the fighters but that was about it.

[TimmyBoston]

Tito Ortiz was jailed early Monday morning I believe for an alleged attack on Jenna Jameson. He's now claimed she's addicted to drugs. This could explain why he's mysteriously absent from any upcoming fights.

[The Nid Hog]

Tito Ortiz was jailed early Monday morning I believe for an alleged attack on Jenna Jameson. He's now claimed she's addicted to drugs. This could explain why he's mysteriously absent from any upcoming fights.

Jenna Jameson--on drugs???:confused1

[SRock]

Tito Ortiz was jailed early Monday morning I believe for an alleged attack on Jenna Jameson. He's now claimed she's addicted to drugs. This could explain why he's mysteriously absent from any upcoming fights.

Likely. Looks like Jenna's own Father is backing Cheato. I hope everything works out for all involved. As much as I think Tito is a DB I hate to see anything bad happen to any couple and their families.


Jenna Jameson--on drugs???:confused1

:001_tt2:


I am with Chris on the Aldo trying to give Faber a cheap shot...didn't see it that way. I found fault in the ref not separating and standing the fighters but that was about it.

I still haven't seen it. Its starting to sound more like an honest mistake than a cheap shot.

[TimmyBoston]

Machida/Shogun II coming up this weekend....Any predictions?

[Sullybob]

Machida/Shogun II coming up this weekend....Any predictions?

Thats a tough one.

Reading interviews with both fighters makes me wonder.
Machida says he isn't doing anything different, he is just training for another fight. I was kind of hoping that he was going to say that he has been training on how to defend leg kicks.
Shogun said that he has a different strategy. He last strategy seemed to work pretty well for him.

I want Machida to take it, but if the same Shogun (in shape, good plan, stick to the plan, etc.) shows up that showed up last time I think he takes it.

[The Nid Hog]

It is a tough call, isn't it? Whatever Machida and Rua are planning, they probably aren't going to share it with us before the fight. I think that they're both fighters who can rise to an occasion like this. It's going to be a good one.

[SRock]

It is a tough call, isn't it? Whatever Machida and Rua are planning, they probably aren't going to share it with us before the fight. I think that they're both fighters who can rise to an occasion like this. It's going to be a good one.

Agreed. Personally I have huge respect for Machida but for the average fan he is boring to watch. I think there is more money in it for the UFC if Shogun wins. As far as who will actually win, I think either could pull it off.

[TimmyBoston]

Agreed. Personally I have huge respect for Machida but for the average fan he is boring to watch. I think there is more money in it for the UFC if Shogun wins. As far as who will actually win, I think either could pull it off.

I want Shogun to win because I want Anderson Silva out of middleweight.

[Soopercat]

Machida/Shogun II coming up this weekend....Any predictions?
Shogun will beat him this time around, I wasn't so sure he didn't the first time. I want to see Machida fight off his back. The first fight proved that Shogun had an answer for Machida's stand up.


I want Shogun to win because I want Anderson Silva out of middleweight.
+1
I want to see this fight. Unless Shogun hospitalizes Machida it won't, "rematch/rubber match III".

Kind regards,

[xivex]

I want Shogun to win because I want Anderson Silva out of middleweight.

An excellent reason for wanting Shogun to win (among others) my friend! :001_smile

Though I am neither a Machida nor a Shogun fan (not to a huge extent at least), I'd rather see Shogun win because he is simply more exciting to watch. Machida's style is not as interesting to watch imho.

I do think if Shogun wins that there will be a rubber match, however, I'm not certain it will happen immediately. Maybe down the road a year or so.

I'm very interested in seeing the Daley v. Koscheck fight also. I would love to see Daley knock Kos out, but I'm not sure Daley is well rounded enough to handle Kos at this point in his career. Kos is a very talented fighter. But I hope Daley KO's him! :thumbup1:

[xivex]

Who wants to see Kimbo KO Matt Mitrione? Mitrione is such a DB. :thumbdown

[TimmyBoston]

Shogun will beat him this time around, I wasn't so sure he didn't the first time. I want to see Machida fight off his back. The first fight proved that Shogun had an answer for Machida's stand up.


+1
I want to see this fight. Unless Shogun hospitalizes Machida it won't, "rematch/rubber match III".

Kind regards,

If Shogun wins, you will eventually see a rubber match, but if either one wins by TKO, KO or submission there will not be an immediate rematch, or if it's a destructive decision.

[TimmyBoston]

Forrest is out of UFC 114. That sucks, I was really looking to his fight with Lil Nog. :mad3:

[SRock]

Forrest is out of UFC 114. That sucks, I was really looking to his fight with Lil Nog. :mad3:

I was to. :mad3:


Who wants to see Kimbo KO Matt Mitrione? Mitrione is such a DB. :thumbdown

Sure why not. I don't care for Kimbo but I like Matt even less.


I want Shogun to win because I want Anderson Silva out of middleweight.

:lol::lol:

I'd still like to see a Machida/Silva fight though. It would either be "Last Dragon" cool or a total snoozer!

[outclass]

Machida/Shogun II coming up this weekend....Any predictions?


I predict Machida dropping Shogun with either a left straight or left hook counter , and than finishing him with GNP

[Hogans1-Iron]

Machida have to knock Shogun early in the match.
Otherwise Shogun will tear him down with his hard low-kicks.

[SRock]

BUMP for other MMA fans/opinions!

[Barbash]

I was to. :mad3:



Sure why not. I don't care for Kimbo but I like Matt even less.



:lol::lol:

I'd still like to see a Machida/Silva fight though. It would either be "Last Dragon" cool or a total snoozer!


You didn't just make a Last Dragon refrence dd you?!?

[SRock]

You didn't just make a Last Dragon refrence dd you?!?

:yesnod:

http://www.badmovies.org/movies/lastdragon/lastdragon8.jpg

:thumbup1::thumbup1::thumbup1:

[Barbash]

:yesnod:

http://www.badmovies.org/movies/lastdragon/lastdragon8.jpg

:thumbup1::thumbup1::thumbup1:


Sho'nuff

[SRock]

Sho'nuff

At least it wasn't a lost reference! :001_cool:

[TimmyBoston]

Another fight I'm really looking forward to is Koscheck/Daley. As a Koscheck fan for me it's a win-win, if Kos wins I think he's next in line for a title shot, and if he loses he gets Dan Hardy.

[xivex]

Another fight I'm really looking forward to is Koscheck/Daley. As a Koscheck fan for me it's a win-win, if Kos wins I think he's next in line for a title shot, and if he loses he gets Dan Hardy.

Kos is probably the fav for the fight imho, but I think there's a VERY VERY good chance he goes to sleep in round 1. We shall see, it will be an excellent fight I have no doubt.

X

[Mejnoon]

The only way Machida can beat Shogun is through atrocious judging...he just doesn't have the tools. He's a point fighter that wins lame decisions and occasionally knocks out guys who get frustrated and overcommit. Shogun will beat up his legs again, and then he'll start going upstairs...Shogun by spectacular head kick knock out.

Paul Daley has gotta be the best trash talker in mma right now (see below), and he's smart to antagonize Koscheck the way he has been...bottom line, the only way Koscheck loses this fight is if he makes the incredibly foolish decision to stand with Daley. I don't think he will...he's a hothead and he's egotistical, but he's no fool...he's saying he's gonna choke Daley out in the first round, and I think thats exactly what he's gonna do.

Heres Daley on Kos, btw...hilarious :lol:


Okay, if we are doing this, let’s talk about his style. He’s not that great a wrestler. His takedowns have been stuffed by almost every opponent he’s faced. He can’t kick-box for crap, not if his life depended on it. If he tries to stand with me for even a second, I fear for his well-being. His ground and pound is crap. If he grounded and pounded me in my sleep he’d barely have enough power in his punches to wake me up. His subs are based on his strength; the technique is almost non-existent. He’s a good athlete and is strong, but I am so much stronger. I’m a different species than him. His subs just won’t work on me. Forget it, Fraggle. Knock me out? Too funny. People with glass chins shouldn’t throw stones. I don’t have a BJJ black belt, but I am sure I hit a little harder than Paulo Thiago, who almost decapitated Kos like a geek in a horror film. Thiago is a tough dude and a top contender I would love to fight, but the black and white of it is he’d never scored a knockout before he sparked Kos out and he’s not scored one since. It’s a trivia question: 'For 10 points: Name that clown with the stupid hair who is the only guy to ever get KTFO by Paulo Thiago?'"

My picks on the whole the card:

Lyoto Machida vs Mauricio Rua
Josh Koscheck vs Paul Daley
Sam Stout vs Jeremy Stephens
Kimbo Slice vs Matt Mitrione
Patrick Cote vs Alan Belcher

Joe Doerksen vs Tom Lawlor
Marcus Davis vs Jonathan Goulet
TJ Grant vs Johnny Hendricks
Tim Hague vs Joey Beltran
Yoshiyuki Yoshida vs Mike Guymon
Jason MacDonald vs John Salter

[outclass]

The only way Machida can beat Shogun is through atrocious judging...he just doesn't have the tools. He's a point fighter that wins lame decisions and occasionally knocks out guys who get frustrated and overcommit. Shogun will beat up his legs again, and then he'll start going upstairs...Shogun by spectacular head kick knock out.



Machida have the tools to beat the absolute crap out of Shogun anywhere the fight goes

Anyway , talking is cheap , if you are so confident just put your money where your mouth is
Send me a PM if you are interested

[TimmyBoston]

My picks on the whole the card:

Lyoto Machida vs Mauricio Rua
Josh Koscheck vs Paul Daley
Sam Stout vs Jeremy Stephens
Kimbo Slice vs Matt Mitrione
Patrick Cote vs Alan Belcher



I'm still not sure on Machida/Rua, but I agree on everything else, provided Koscheck doesn't be a buffoon and stand with Daley.

[Mejnoon]

Machida have the tools to beat the absolute crap out of Shogun anywhere the fight goes

Anyway , talking is cheap , if you are so confident just put your money where your mouth is
Send me a PM if you are interested

Oh? Anywhere you say? We're talking about Lyoto Machida, right? Dude that nearly got triangled by Tito Ortiz and was only saved by the bell...that guy? Just making sure you're not confused.

Oh, and I'd be glad to take your money...PM sent:wink:

[Mejnoon]

I'm still not sure on Machida/Rua, but I agree on everything else, provided Koscheck doesn't be a buffoon and stand with Daley.

Cote/Belcher is the one I'm a little on the fence about...I think its an excellent match up and should be a great fight no matter who wins. I'm picking Belcher because I think he's a little faster, a little more dynamic with his striking and a little more powerful, and I think he's more aggressive...I wouldn't be surprised to see Cote land some heavy counters and put him away though.

[SRock]

My picks on the whole the card:

Lyoto Machida vs Mauricio Rua
Josh Koscheck vs Paul Daley
Sam Stout vs Jeremy Stephens
Kimbo Slice vs Matt Mitrione
Patrick Cote vs Alan Belcher

Joe Doerksen vs Tom Lawlor
Marcus Davis vs Jonathan Goulet
TJ Grant vs Johnny Hendricks
Tim Hague vs Joey Beltran
Yoshiyuki Yoshida vs Mike Guymon
Jason MacDonald vs John Salter

Pretty solid picks. I agree that if Kos tries to stand and bang it could be Daly's fight to lose. Also, as much as it pains me to say this I think Kimbo has a chance against Mitrione. I'd still stand by the pick you have above with Matt winning but if one of these fights goes the other way it won't surprise me if its Daly or Slice that pulls it off.


Machida have the tools to beat the absolute crap out of Shogun anywhere the fight goes

Anyway , talking is cheap , if you are so confident just put your money where your mouth is
Send me a PM if you are interested

:nonod: Gentlemen this IS NOT a gambling forum. Lets allow cool heads to prevail in this thread and no betting is allowed!


I'm still not sure on Machida/Rua, but I agree on everything else, provided Koscheck doesn't be a buffoon and stand with Daley.

:yesnod:


Oh? Anywhere you say? We're talking about Lyoto Machida, right? Dude that nearly got triangled by Tito Ortiz and was only saved by the bell...that guy? Just making sure you're not confused.

Oh, and I'd be glad to take your money...PM sent:wink:

Again, see my comments above. Let this one go. Simply agree to disagree and move on. No betting allowed.

[xivex]

Go Kimbo! :lol:

[Barbash]

Anyone out there watching 113? I hate Koscheck, but Daley is now a bigger punk in my books.

[SRock]

Go Kimbo! :lol:

He definitely made Mittrione look better than he really is. I doubt it will be long before Kimbo is headed to StrikeFarce.


Anyone out there watching 113? I hate Koscheck, but Daley is now a bigger punk in my books.

:yesnod: He may actually beat Kimbo to StrikeFarce.

[SRock]

Shogun left no room for bad judging this time! KO and a new champ!

[Barbash]

Shogun left no room for bad judging this time! KO and a new champ!

I was one that thought the 1st fight could have gone to either fighter with Shogun probably deserving the win, but Shogun showed who was the better fighter tonight. He even stopped throwing before the ref stepped in.

[Mejnoon]

Again, see my comments above. Let this one go. Simply agree to disagree and move on. No betting allowed.

I apologize, won't happen again.


Shogun left no room for bad judging this time! KO and a new champ!

Guess Machida just wasn't "elusive" enough :lol:

[SRock]

I was one that thought the 1st fight could have gone to either fighter with Shogun probably deserving the win, but Shogun showed who was the better fighter tonight. He even stopped throwing before the ref stepped in.

I'm right there with ya on that one. However, I've said before that to be the champ you should have to beat the champ. When a fight is as close as their last encounter I'd prefer that the champ keep his title.


I apologize, won't happen again.



Guess Machida just wasn't "elusive" enough :lol:

No worries and :lol::lol: Maybe he thought about head movemnent but forgot to actually move it! :lol::lol:

[Mejnoon]

So the "post-fight confrontation" between Jake Shields (BTW started by Shields) and Mayhem would NEVER happen in the UFC and if it did there would be a bunch of fighters without contracts.



Does anyone really think that this would have happened at a UFC event?


The "fight" after the show was a joke! You have seen fighters in the UFC call each other out after matches, but I don't think you would ever see an all out brawl like this.

http://i44.tinypic.com/sdfkpg.jpg

:001_rolle

[SRock]

http://i44.tinypic.com/sdfkpg.jpg

:001_rolle

Still wasn't the all out brawl that we got from StrikeFarce. It was one dirt bag throwing a cheap shot. Really what will be interesting to see is how the UFC deals with it. I've no doubt Daly is going to get a suspension but to be honest I wouldn't be surprised at all if Dana gave him the boot. Could we see Daly in StrikeFarce in the near future?

[Mejnoon]

Still wasn't the all out brawl that we got from StrikeFarce. It was one dirt bag throwing a cheap shot. Really what will be interesting to see is how the UFC deals with it. I've no doubt Daly is going to get a suspension but to be honest I wouldn't be surprised at all if Dana gave him the boot. Could we see Daly in StrikeFarce in the near future?

You wanna see an all out brawl? Check out UFC 45 :001_rolle

[SRock]

You wanna see an all out brawl? Check out UFC 45 :001_rolle

Oh, I remember. That was a long time ago and the UFC has brought the sport a long way since then. Like I said it will be interesting to see how the gaming commissions and the UFC deal with Daly.

[Mejnoon]

Oh, I remember. That was a long time ago and the UFC has brought the sport a long way since then. Like I said it will be interesting to see how the gaming commissions and the UFC deal with Daly.

Oh yeah, good point...how'd they do that again? Did a reality show featuring drunken idiocy, egregious and explicitly encouraged property damage, and grown men urinating and, uhhh, "climaxing" in each other's food have anything to do with it?

You know what, my bad, you're right...the UFC is the "classy" promotion.

[Mejnoon]

Oh, and to answer your question, heres Dana on Daley:


"He's done. He's never coming back. I don't give a sh*t if he's the best 170 lb fighter in the world. He's never coming back."

[thunderball]

SHOGUN!! I haven't felt so warm and fuzzy since the Pride days...(though I do like Machida too). That was just awesome though! :thumbup1:

[TimmyBoston]

Oh, and to answer your question, heres Dana on Daley:

Looks like Rob was right all along and you were wrong!!!!!! :prrr:

[TimmyBoston]

I am pumped about Shogun winning, for the sole reason that I'm really hoping Anderson will move up to 205. :thumbup1:

[Barbash]

http://i44.tinypic.com/sdfkpg.jpg

:001_rolle

I guess your definition of an all out brawl and mine are a little different :thumbup1:

[SRock]

SHOGUN!! I haven't felt so warm and fuzzy since the Pride days...(though I do like Machida too). That was just awesome though! :thumbup1:

Agreed. I didn't think Machida would sit atop the 205's for very long. It's cool when it works, but when it doesn't it gets ugly. Shogun proved that.


Oh, and to answer your question, heres Dana on Daley:

Well, the first part of my prediction was spot on. Any guesses how long it will be before StrikeFarce signs Daly?


I guess your definition of an all out brawl and mine are a little different :thumbup1:

+1 That was a single sucker punch from a sore loser that got stopped/separated by a professional ref. Dana's comments on Daly are just further evidence that the UFC is the cream of the crop and what they are doing for the sport is head and shoulders above the rest.

[Mejnoon]

Looks like Rob was right all along and you were wrong!!!!!! :prrr:

I know you were dying to say that Timmy, but really...how was I wrong? Neither Rob nor I made any prediction about Dana's completely predictable reaction.

If you thought he would say anything different you're clueless about Dana White. One thing we should all remember is what happened the last time he said a fighter was "done" and would "never work for him again..." JT Money anybody???

The fact is that Rob's insistence that Dana's reaction somehow elevates the UFC to higher moral ground is just further proof of his bias. Coker benched Mayhem and Diaz, and I didn't hear a peep from any one of you.


I guess your definition of an all out brawl and mine are a little different :thumbup1:

Like I told Rob above, see UFC 45 if you wanna see an all out brawl.

Or just recognize the fact that what Daley did last night was entirely worse in terms of sportsmanship and how it reflects on the legitimacy of the promotion. Strikeforce has cornermen that stand up for their fighters...the UFC has chumps that can accept it when they lose.


Well, the first part of my prediction was spot on. Any guesses how long it will be before StrikeFarce signs Daly?

Once again I am forced to remind you of the sordid tale of JT Money. Don't be so ready to accept the edicts of Vince McM...I mean Dana White.

Oh, and who was it who signed Yvel again? Right.



+1 That was a single sucker punch from a sore loser that got stopped/separated by a professional ref. Dana's comments on Daly are just further evidence that the UFC is the cream of the crop and what they are doing for the sport is head and shoulders above the rest.

Vin...I mean Dana couldn't even make a statement free of expletives...his comments mean entirely nothing and are identical to the reaction such actions would garner from any promoter.

You all love to jump on Strikeforce for any little thing, but when similar things happen in the UFC you hedge and make excuses. You all got on your moral high horses about that kind of thing never happening in the UFC and were proven demonstrably wrong last night...just accept it. Stop drinking Dana's purple kool-aid fellas ;)

[xivex]

Wow, UFC 113 was decent. The Sam Stout fight was a war as expected, Kimbo lost...no surprise. I agree that Kimbo probably has maybe 1-2 fights in the UFC left before he's cut. He looked horrible. My casual viewer friend said he would not watch Kimbo again and was horribly disappointed...

Go Rua! I loved the ko. I was happy to see Rua reclaim what should have been his last time. I think he will not reign long tho. 205 is just stacked. No one has held the belt for more than a couple fights in the last couple years. Great division. What'd I'd now love to see is Anderson Silva move up to 205 and fight Rua. Probably not going to happen, but that might actually make Silva fight and not joke around during the fight. Rua would bring it to him and it would be very explosive..most likely a round 1 or round 2 KO imho.

GSP will annihilate Koscheck again. Daley is out, I agree.. Strikeforce will sign him this week. Who cares tho! Daley sucked. I was completely floored. Not that Koscheck isn't good, give him credit, but nontheless, I expected more from Daley. He just got wrestled the entire match and did jack shit. How embarassing for him. GSP's skills are far superior to Koschck and I think we'll see another "boring" GSP vs. someone else type match where GSP just takes them down and body controls them for 5 rounds and wins via decision. Not that he doesn't dominate them entirely for that 5 round stretch, but... its just plain boring. I love GSP but they need to find someone to make a more exciting match with him.

X

[Barbash]

Wow, UFC 113 was decent. The Sam Stout fight was a war as expected, Kimbo lost...no surprise. I agree that Kimbo probably has maybe 1-2 fights in the UFC left before he's cut. He looked horrible. My casual viewer friend said he would not watch Kimbo again and was horribly disappointed...

Go Rua! I loved the ko. I was happy to see Rua reclaim what should have been his last time. I think he will not reign long tho. 205 is just stacked. No one has held the belt for more than a couple fights in the last couple years. Great division. What'd I'd now love to see is Anderson Silva move up to 205 and fight Rua. Probably not going to happen, but that might actually make Silva fight and not joke around during the fight. Rua would bring it to him and it would be very explosive..most likely a round 1 or round 2 KO imho.

GSP will annihilate Koscheck again. Daley is out, I agree.. Strikeforce will sign him this week. Who cares tho! Daley sucked. I was completely floored. Not that Koscheck isn't good, give him credit, but nontheless, I expected more from Daley. He just got wrestled the entire match and did jack shit. How embarassing for him. GSP's skills are far superior to Koschck and I think we'll see another "boring" GSP vs. someone else type match where GSP just takes them down and body controls them for 5 rounds and wins via decision. Not that he doesn't dominate them entirely for that 5 round stretch, but... its just plain boring. I love GSP but they need to find someone to make a more exciting match with him.

X

Agree that the GSP vs Koscheck fight is going to be a snoor. I am more interested in watching him coach on the next TUF than watching this fight.

[xivex]

Agree that the GSP vs Koscheck fight is going to be a snoor. I am more interested in watching him coach on the next TUF than watching this fight.

Agreed! I love GSP the man, he just carries himself very well imho, is super classy and an all around world class athelete. It will be a pleasure watching him on TUF as the coach.

GSP needs to fight a super striker with impenetrable takedown defense. That would make for an excellent matchup. Other than that, our options are a striker who sucks at wrestling (or rather, is inferior to GSP in wrestling abilities)... that is Dan Hardy. We all know what happened there..boring. The other option is a wrestler which would be a snooze fest that GSP would most likely win as his wrestling is ridiculously good. There is also the possibility of GSP fighting a bad striker or someone known for their wrestling and not their standup, so he decides to forego the wrestling and stands with them. This would be more interesting to watch imho, but when GSP wins everyone will say its because the other guy's striking sucked...so its almost lose-lose for GSP. Unless he finds that unique gem that would be a superior striker with amazing takedown defense. That would be the fight to watch for. Like maybe Anderson Silva? :thumbup:

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[Mejnoon]

Wow, UFC 113 was decent. The Sam Stout fight was a war as expected, Kimbo lost...no surprise. I agree that Kimbo probably has maybe 1-2 fights in the UFC left before he's cut. He looked horrible. My casual viewer friend said he would not watch Kimbo again and was horribly disappointed...

Go Rua! I loved the ko. I was happy to see Rua reclaim what should have been his last time. I think he will not reign long tho. 205 is just stacked. No one has held the belt for more than a couple fights in the last couple years. Great division. What'd I'd now love to see is Anderson Silva move up to 205 and fight Rua. Probably not going to happen, but that might actually make Silva fight and not joke around during the fight. Rua would bring it to him and it would be very explosive..most likely a round 1 or round 2 KO imho.

GSP will annihilate Koscheck again. Daley is out, I agree.. Strikeforce will sign him this week. Who cares tho! Daley sucked. I was completely floored. Not that Koscheck isn't good, give him credit, but nontheless, I expected more from Daley. He just got wrestled the entire match and did jack shit. How embarassing for him. GSP's skills are far superior to Koschck and I think we'll see another "boring" GSP vs. someone else type match where GSP just takes them down and body controls them for 5 rounds and wins via decision. Not that he doesn't dominate them entirely for that 5 round stretch, but... its just plain boring. I love GSP but they need to find someone to make a more exciting match with him.

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Last night Dana said he's probably going to cut him right now. Its rare for a guy to be cut after 1 loss, especially a guy thats a big draw like Kimbo...I think Dana is upset about his gas tank. At this point in his career, he should be able to fight 3 5's no sweat...after making weight, thats the most basic thing a fighter has to do.

I think Koscheck is about the best match up out there for GSP right now. Their first fight was pretty good, and Koscheck has improved greatly since then. He's the only guy in the division who I think can stop GSP's takedowns, atleast some of the time...I think he took it for granted that he would be the superior wrestler the first time around and concentrated on his striking, and he won't make that mistake again...he'll sharpen up the swords and look alot better in terms of wrestling, which makes the fight fairly compelling. I'm picking GSP, but I doubt theres anyone in the UFC middleweight division who would give him a better fight (until they sign Shields that is).

The one other UFC ww I'd be interested in seeing GSP fight is Paulo Thiago. He wouldn't stop the takedowns, but I think he could threaten GSP off his back. My inclination is that GSP is just too physically dominant for Thiago to submit under most circumstances, but the fact that his jiu-jitsu is as good as it is is important for another reason...theres a pretty good chance GSP would elect to stand with him. He's shown on a couple of occasions that he's a pretty adept counter puncher, and he capitalizes when he clips a guy...I could see him landing a hot one then submitting GSP like he did to Swick.

[Barbash]

Last night Dana said he's probably going to cut him right now. Its rare for a guy to be cut after 1 loss, especially a guy thats a big draw like Kimbo...I think Dana is upset about his gas tank. At this point in his career, he should be able to fight 3 5's no sweat...after making weight, thats the most basic thing a fighter has to do.

I think Koscheck is about the best match up out there for GSP right now. Their first fight was pretty good, and Koscheck has improved greatly since then. He's the only guy in the division who I think can stop GSP's takedowns, atleast some of the time...I think he took it for granted that he would be the superior wrestler the first time around and concentrated on his striking, and he won't make that mistake again...he'll sharpen up the swords and look alot better in terms of wrestling, which makes the fight fairly compelling. I'm picking GSP, but I doubt theres anyone in the UFC middleweight division who would give him a better fight (until they sign Shields that is).

The one other UFC ww I'd be interested in seeing GSP fight is Paulo Thiago. He wouldn't stop the takedowns, but I think he could threaten GSP off his back. My inclination is that GSP is just too physically dominant for Thiago to submit under most circumstances, but the fact that his jiu-jitsu is as good as it is is important for another reason...theres a pretty good chance GSP would elect to stand with him. He's shown on a couple of occasions that he's a pretty adept counter puncher, and he capitalizes when he clips a guy...I could see him landing a hot one then submitting GSP like he did to Swick.


I agree that Koscheck is the best opponent right now for GSP and should be able to stop most of GSP's take downs, but I also wouldn't be surprised if GSP proves us wrong and takes him down time and time again.
Right now it just feels like GSP is unstoppable and could hold on to the belt for as long as he wants to. Of course I thought that going into the Serra fight and Serra showed that one good(lucky) punch can win any fight.

[xivex]

I agree that Koscheck is the best opponent right now for GSP and should be able to stop most of GSP's take downs, but I also wouldn't be surprised if GSP proves us wrong and takes him down time and time again.
Right now it just feels like GSP is unstoppable and could hold on to the belt for as long as he wants to. Of course I thought that going into the Serra fight and Serra showed that one good(lucky) punch can win any fight.


If Koscheck CAN stop GSP's famed takedowns and keep the fight standing he might actually have a shot...a very tiny one. :)

I just don't see Koscheck successfully stopping GSP's takedowns more than a couple of the times..and remember all GSP needs is one takedown and he's skilled enough to keep you there the rest of the round until the bell dings. He'll body control and GnP you and dominate the fight that way. If this happens, Koscheck loses. IMHO, the only way Kos beats GSP is with a lucky punch..as they say, he has a "puncher's chance".

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[SRock]

Kimbo is gone! (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/389714-kimbo-slice-and-paul-daley-released-by-ufc) :clap::clap::clap::clap: Right now Scott Choker (http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Coker-on-UFC-Releasing-Daley-Slice-vs-Herschel-24378) is claiming that StrikeFarce isn't "that" interested in either Daly or Slice but I'll be shocked if both don't fight in StrikeFarce within the next year or so.

Daly deserved it and the UFC exposed Kimbo for what he is...

...a better than average street fighter who isn't nearly pro caliber.

[SRock]

“I’ve had a long flight home to consider my actions and regret the mistake I made on Saturday,” Daley said in a statement published by the U.K.’s Daily Telegraph. “I would like to apologise to the UFC and the Athletic Commission for what I’ve done as well as all the fans and sponsors that support me.

“I would also like to offer my sincerest apologies to Josh Koscheck who did not deserve the cheap shot I threw. He did what he needed to do in order to win the fight and get the job done, and I foolishly reacted to the situation.

“There is no excuse for my actions and I know what I did was very unprofessional. I was immensely frustrated by a collection of things that took place throughout the fight as well as leading up to it, but I’m certainly not trying to condone or excuse my actions.

“Josh implemented his game plan perfectly taking me down and staying on top of me for the majority of the fight. I was also frustrated about him claiming (and acting like) I knee’d him in the head on the ground when it was clear for all to see in the video replay that I didn’t connect at all with the knee I threw.

“Then finally, the verbal abuse Josh hit me with in the final 30 seconds of the fight simply pushed me over the edge and my frustrations came out as I knew I’d lost the fight, was unhappy with my own performance and had then been ridiculed by my opponent to top things off.

“This is certainly no excuse for my actions; I fully deserve to be punished for what I did and hope that everyone I have disappointed can forgive my rash decision. I feel very disappointed in myself for losing my cool and hope that I am able to address my temperament and bounce back from this low point in my career.

“I feel ashamed and embarrassed by what I did and hope that together my team and I can get through this issue. It will be a long road back from where I am now to earning the trust and respect of the UFC and the MMA fans that have supported me for so long, I know I’ve let you all down but I’m determined to make it up to you all.”

So, it's ok that he threw an illegal knee to the head because he was too inept to connect?

[Barbash]

So, it's ok that he threw an illegal knee to the head because he was too inept to connect?


I watched the replay last night of the fight(I DVR'ed it) and I know Daley missed Koscheck's head with the knee, but Daley saw that Koscheck was still on the ground when he threw the knee.
I do have to give Daley some credit for taking the blame(for the most part) for his actions. Stand up move and maybe this will help him get a contract with Strikeforce. Although, I think his skills alone would have done that.

[SRock]

I watched the replay last night of the fight(I DVR'ed it) and I know Daley missed Koscheck's head with the knee, but Daley saw that Koscheck was still on the ground when he threw the knee.
I do have to give Daley some credit for taking the blame(for the most part) for his actions. Stand up move and maybe this will help him get a contract with Strikeforce. Although, I think his skills alone would have done that.

I agree if it weren't for his actions in that last fight he was MORE than qualified to fight for (and possibly dominate) in StrikeForce. My point as you reaffirmed was the fact that Kos was clearly down and Daly attempted the illegal strike. I was cracking up at all of the people (Joe Rogan included) that kept saying "he didn't connect", "he missed" or "he missed so their shouldn't be a point deducted."

My point was the action attempted not whether or not it was successful.

I do agree with you that Daly issuing that statement was a stand up move even if it was written for him by a PR person.

[thunderball]

Wow...did you guys just see the Overeem/Rogers 'fight'? That man ain't human....:scared:

[TimmyBoston]

So what's next for Arlovski?

[SRock]

Wow...did you guys just see the Overeem/Rogers 'fight'? That man ain't human....:scared:

Didn't see it but I read about it. I read that he called out Fedor, that's an awful big challenge after a two year hiatus.

[TimmyBoston]

Didn't see it but I read about it. I read that he called out Fedor, that's an awful big challenge after a two year hiatus.

I've never thought Rodgers was very good, so I wasn't surprised to see him get pounded.

But after Verdum, Overeem is the next logical opponent for Fedor. There aren't exactly a lot of opponents there. These guys always call out the top dog after a win, Alan Belcher called out Silva after beating a less than optimal Patrick Cote just coming off a 2 year hiatus.

[The Nid Hog]

Didn't see it but I read about it. I read that he called out Fedor, that's an awful big challenge after a two year hiatus.

I don't think that inactivity is really a problem for Overeem. He's been fighting--just not for Strikeforce. I saw him fight Peter Aerts last fall (K-1 GP Final 16) and he threw him around like a rag doll. Not much to be gleaned from his fight with Fujita, who has reached a Sakuraba-like level where I just don't want to see him in the ring. It'll be interesting to see what Overeem has for Fedor if this matchup materializes.

[SRock]

I don't think that inactivity is really a problem for Overeem. He's been fighting--just not for Strikeforce. I saw him fight Peter Aerts last fall (K-1 GP Final 16) and he threw him around like a rag doll. Not much to be gleaned from his fight with Fujita, who has reached a Sakuraba-like level where I just don't want to see him in the ring. It'll be interesting to see what Overeem has for Fedor if this matchup materializes.

I agree. Its always interesting to see what Fedor has for his next victim as well.

[SRock]

So what's next for Arlovski?

What about Arlovski vs. Shaq?

:lol::lol:

[TimmyBoston]

What about Arlovski vs. Shaq?

:lol::lol:

Andre Arlovski was knocked out in 8 seconds after a 300 pound man pounded him like a railroad spike into the canvas...

[SRock]

Andre Arlovski was knocked out in 8 seconds after a 300 pound man pounded him like a railroad spike into the canvas...

I know it. I think the height of his career is behind him now. Its unfortunate.

[SmoovD]

Strikeforce put on another meh card this past weekend, IMHO. I wouldn't put too much stock in the Overeem destruction of Rogers. Rogers has zero ground game. He can throw some bricks but if he doesn't or isn't able to, he doesn't have much of a chance. I like the guy but he is another attempt to market some hype. That said, Overeem is looking huge and fast. I would like to see Fedor in the cage with him. Make it so, Number One.

Arlovski's days as a Top 10 HW are done and gone. Silva's striking was sharp and his speed put Arlovski in a tough position. He wasn't going to be able to outbox Silva.

I was disappointed in Jacare's performance. Perhaps it is that I was expecting to see him do some impressive ground work on Villasenor. Didn't happen. His striking is liiking much better however. His conditioning was suspect as well.

Gracie/Randleman: Was anybody really expecting any other outcome? I was surprised the fight lasted as long as it did.

The Feijao/Britt fight was an entertaining, undercard fight. No complaints here.

Lastly- no one wants to see a Rogers/Arlovski rematch, Mr. Coker.

[Barbash]

Haven't had a chance to sit down and watch the whole card, but I was impressed with Overeem. Although I agree with SmoovD that Rogers only has a good standup game.
Overeem vs Fedor will be an interesting fight if Fedor's camp will agree to the fight. I am not saying Fedor is in any way affraid to fight Overeem, but that it will be interesting to see if Strikforce meets all his demands.

[SRock]

Strikeforce put on another meh card this past weekend, IMHO. I wouldn't put too much stock in the Overeem destruction of Rogers. Rogers has zero ground game. He can throw some bricks but if he doesn't or isn't able to, he doesn't have much of a chance. I like the guy but he is another attempt to market some hype. That said, Overeem is looking huge and fast. I would like to see Fedor in the cage with him. Make it so, Number One.

Arlovski's days as a Top 10 HW are done and gone. Silva's striking was sharp and his speed put Arlovski in a tough position. He wasn't going to be able to outbox Silva.

I was disappointed in Jacare's performance. Perhaps it is that I was expecting to see him do some impressive ground work on Villasenor. Didn't happen. His striking is liiking much better however. His conditioning was suspect as well.

Gracie/Randleman: Was anybody really expecting any other outcome? I was surprised the fight lasted as long as it did.

The Feijao/Britt fight was an entertaining, undercard fight. No complaints here.

Lastly- no one wants to see a Rogers/Arlovski rematch, Mr. Coker.

I agree 100%!!

[TimmyBoston]

Is anyone ordering the Silvia fight this weekend? I'm not even going to attempt to spell the Strongman's name, but I hope he tackles Silvia and pounds him out.

[SmoovD]

Is anyone ordering the Silvia fight this weekend? I'm not even going to attempt to spell the Strongman's name, but I hope he tackles Silvia and pounds him out.

I do not plan to buy the PPV. I watched the Polish behemoth's first fight...his leg kicks looked lethal. He looks to have been trained in the James Brown School of Martial Arts- you know, he "don't know ka-rate but he knows ca-razy". Silva has been off my radar for a bit- I have heard that he has had some bad losses. So I agree with you than Silva is in for a very rough evening.

[Barbash]

Sylvia said this about Pudzianowski(i had to cut and past his name because there was no way I would remember how to spell it):
"Buff guys are fun to beat up. They look good on the beach, that's it"

Tim hasn't looked good in any of his last fights that I have watched and I am not sure how he is going to react to the strong guy bull charging him and throwing those crazy kicks. Might be fun to watch, but I will wait until it pops up on Youtube.

[SmoovD]

The Bellator Fights are this weekend as well. As a fan of amateur wrestling I look forward to watching the progression of Ben Askren as he transitions into MMA. That dude is was a beast on the mat.

[The Nid Hog]

I'll watch the fights on line on Sunday morning--can't see paying for Tim.

[Sullybob]

I have to agree with The Nid, I just can't see paying to watch Tim. I honestly hope that he looks better in this fight then his last couple of fights. I hope he shows up in shape and ready to fight.

[TimmyBoston]

I definitely won't be paying for a Silvia fight. As much as I hate th guy, I think he'll win with this reach and jab, I think he'll keep M.......... at bay.

[SmoovD]

I definitely won't be paying for a Silvia fight. As much as I hate th guy, I think he'll win with this reach and jab, I think he'll keep M.......... at bay.

It didn't work against Mercer. I would never equate the Unspeakable One's striking with Mercer's but I don't know if Tim's jab will be enough of a deterrent to the UO onslaught. The big man must do his damage quickly or risk running out of gas. My guess is that UO will be more than happy to eat a few jabs to get a hold of the Maineiac. What he is able to do from that point is different question.

[Barbash]

Is the fight tonight(friday) or tomorrow(saturday)?

[SmoovD]

Is the fight tonight(friday) or tomorrow(saturday)?

Tonight.

[TimmyBoston]

Is the fight tonight(friday) or tomorrow(saturday)?

Edit: I just looked it up, I'm wrong. The above post is correct, the fight is tonight at 9:00 on PPV.

[Mejnoon]

It didn't work against Mercer. I would never equate the Unspeakable One's striking with Mercer's but I don't know if Tim's jab will be enough of a deterrent to the UO onslaught. The big man must do his damage quickly or risk running out of gas. My guess is that UO will be more than happy to eat a few jabs to get a hold of the Maineiac. What he is able to do from that point is different question.

Ray Mercer is an Olympic gold medalist and former HW champ...when he fought Sylvia he feinted to draw the jab, and came over the top...he'd scouted Sylvia, he knew exactly what he was going to do and had the skills and power to carry it off.

Pudzianowski is slow, has no striking skill whatsoever and is too muscle bound to maintain a proper guard or throw straight punches...Sylvia is gonna tee off on him. The athletic commission shouldn't have even approved this match up, its embarrassing.

[Monkeydad]

I'm rooting for Pudz, big fan of his from the World's Strongest Man comps.

Silvia is not what he used to be. I think people underestimate Mariusz because they assume he can't move with all of that muscle. Some of the WSM events were like cardio...he's not an immobile lump of mass.



Butterbean is "fighting" tonight too.

[Mejnoon]

I'm rooting for Pudz, big fan of his from the World's Strongest Man comps.

Silvia is not what he used to be. I think people underestimate Mariusz because they assume he can't move with all of that muscle. Some of the WSM events were like cardio...he's not an immobile lump of mass.



Butterbean is "fighting" tonight too.

Have you seen either of his fights?

[xivex]

I hate Tim Sylvia and would love to see the big ass polish strongman "retire" him. :thumbup:

[Monkeydad]

Have you seen either of his fights?

Actually yes.

I think he can overpower Silvia. His kicks are lethal. He's a brick wall, or maybe a tank.

You're underestimating his beastly strength, I think.

Plus, as me trains and fights more, his conditioning and stamina will improve.

I think you're overestimating Sylvia too...remember, he's not juicing any more.

[Mejnoon]

Actually yes.

I think he can overpower Silvia. His kicks are lethal. He's a brick wall, or maybe a tank.

You're underestimating his beastly strength, I think.

Plus, as me trains and fights more, his conditioning and stamina will improve.

I think you're overestimating Sylvia too...remember, he's not juicing any more.

His kicks are HORRIBLE, no technique whatsoever. Najman was a boxer who had never fought mma before, and I'd be willing to bet he'd never taken a kick to the leg before, he had no idea how to check them...he was reaching down trying to catch low kicks.

He sure didn't look like a brick wall, a tank, or a beast against Kawaguchi...he looked like a muscle bound guy who doesn't know how to protect his chin, throw a proper strike, move or breath.

People love to pick on Sylvia but get real...he's 25-6, with 17 (T)KO's. He went 16-0 before Mir broke his arm.

His only loss against a guy that wasn't top 10 at the time is Mercer, and if you think Pudzianowski can do what Mercer did to him I've got a few business opportunities I'd like to talk to you about.

Mariusz has absolutely no chance.

[TimmyBoston]

What I thought would happen, happened. Too bad, I was looking to see Silvia get chopped down but Marwhatshisface isn't a real fighter, he's just a man of freakish strength. If he a had a legit wrestling pedigree, he could have been dangerous, but it's highly unlikely he'll cultivate one now.

Silvia's still a joke. If he wasn't he wouldn't bother taking a fight against the likes of Wes Sims. :001_rolle

[Barbash]

Pudzianowski looked good for the first minute before he gassed, but I agree that Tim didn't show anything last night to make me think he is back(like the announcers kept saying over and over after the fight).

Was Tim talking crap to Pud the whole last minute of the 1st round? Sure looked like it.

[SmoovD]

What a joke of a fight. The only chance Pudz had was to rush Tim, get inside and get him to the mat. He gave one or two leg kicks and then completely gassed out. Sylvia looked horrible but the fact that he is actually a professional fighter made the difference. I love that Tim mouthed "I'm back" after the fight.

I enjoyed the Edwards/Campbell fight. It was easily the FOTN. The ladies made for a semi-entertaining fight as well.

Was Bas drunk last night? I know I would been if I had to work alongside the other two on the crew. I am torn whether or not the Moosin crew is worse than the Strikeforce crew. Tough call. And what was the deal with the back room reporter? She was absolutely awful. I think Bas kinda liked her though.

[SRock]

I definitely won't be paying for a Silvia fight. As much as I hate th guy, I think he'll win with this reach and jab, I think he'll keep M.......... at bay.

+1 I definitely wouldn't pay for it. Heck, I was so disinterested in this PPV that despite it airing for free here we went camping. :lol:


Ray Mercer is an Olympic gold medalist and former HW champ...when he fought Sylvia he feinted to draw the jab, and came over the top...he'd scouted Sylvia, he knew exactly what he was going to do and had the skills and power to carry it off.

Pudzianowski is slow, has no striking skill whatsoever and is too muscle bound to maintain a proper guard or throw straight punches...Sylvia is gonna tee off on him. The athletic commission shouldn't have even approved this match up, its embarrassing.

I actually agree with Chris on this. Mercer WAS a machine which means he's still better than average at his trade. Pudz is a beast of a man and I've no doubt he'd destroy Sylvia at a strong man competition but this isn't strong man, its fighting and even if Sylvia is well past his prime and off the juice he's still going to be the better fighter.


I hate Tim Sylvia and would love to see the big ass polish strongman "retire" him. :thumbup:

I don't hate Tim but I would have found it hysterical if he lost to Mariusz.


What I thought would happen, happened. Too bad, I was looking to see Silvia get chopped down but Marwhatshisface isn't a real fighter, he's just a man of freakish strength. If he a had a legit wrestling pedigree, he could have been dangerous, but it's highly unlikely he'll cultivate one now.

Silvia's still a joke. If he wasn't he wouldn't bother taking a fight against the likes of Wes Sims. :001_rolle

I agree with both points.


Pudzianowski looked good for the first minute before he gassed, but I agree that Tim didn't show anything last night to make me think he is back(like the announcers kept saying over and over after the fight).

Was Tim talking crap to Pud the whole last minute of the 1st round? Sure looked like it.

I'm getting ready to watch this fight. This sounds like the best part. :lol: Timmy, Timmy, Timmy you will be relegated to fighting has beens and wannabes the rest of your career. :lol::lol:


I am torn whether or not the Moosin crew is worse than the Strikeforce crew.

Is that even possible? :lol::lol:

[SRock]

OK, just finished the Sylvia vs. Pudzianowski freak show fight.

What a joke. Pudz is a huge dude for sure, but he was gassed after about the first 45 seconds to a minute. Not only does he need to learn to fight but he needs to seriously work on his Cardio. He looked like exactly what he is a strongman with absolutely no learned fight skills.

This fight reminded me of all of those old ignorant YouTube videos of Dumbo Slice picking on smaller, weaker dudes or in this case an educated fighter against a clueless bafoon.

Tim didn't look terrible but he did look like a guy who used to know how to fight and used to want it.

I've no doubt Pudz was the stronger man in the ring but his skill set is garbage.

"Tim Sylvia is back!" That was the highlight of the fight and the one thing that was said that definitely was more ridiculous than anything in StrikeFarce.

[TimmyBoston]

UFC 114 this weekend, Rampage/Rashad; Bisping/Miller

Picks?

I think Rampage is the better fighter, but the ring rust may have damaged Quinton's game. Still my gut with going with Jackson, especially after Rashad's pathetic 3rd round against Thiago Silva.

As for Bisping/Miller, Michael is the better fighter, but the Miller boys are tough, I definitely want Dan to win, especially with the year he's had. He's one tough dude to be fighting at all. Though unless Bisping is fighting a ruthless, evil dictator I want him to lose every time.

I'm really bummed about Forrest's injury, I was really looking forward to his bout with Lil Nog. I know nothing about Jason Brilz, but I hope it's a good fight.

[Sullybob]

I want Rashad to win. I don't know if he can. I think he is faster then Rampage but I think thats about it. If he is able to time him as well as he has timed other fighters then I think he can take him. I'm going with Rashad.

Who is my second favorite fighter? Anyone who is fighting Bisping. I don't know much about Dan, looking at his record I think that Bisping takes him.

[Barbash]

I am a big Rampage fan(not big enough to think he can play BA as well as MR. T) and hope he beats Rashad, but with the layoff I am thinking Rashad might be a step to quick for him and get his hands on Rampage.
As much as I am a Rampage fan is how much I hate Bisping. Although I do not know anything(also) about his opponent I will be routing for Miller. Bisping hasn't beaten anybody in my opinion and one of his wins against Matt Hamill was a joke. Hamill dominated the first 2 rounds of that fight and the only reason the Count got the victory was because he was in his home town. Now when Bisping ran his mouth and then got knocked out by Henderson that was a great moment. I know the hit after Bisping was on the ground could be seen as unecessary(the the ref hadn't stopped the fight) Dan was pretty pissed about being called old.

[xivex]

I hope Rashad wins because I think Rampage is just an @$$. However, I think Rampage has the advantage standing up. I think Rashad's game plan is definitely going to be take down, wrestle, body control, score points, and ground n' pound. If Rashad can do this, he will win. If it stays standing, I think Rampage will win.

Though if Rashad ignores his fight plan (unlikely) and stays standing and bangs just because he hates Rampage so much it will be awesome. Sure fireworks. (But I don't think this will be the outcome).

X

[SmoovD]

If Rampage's head is in the game; i.e., he has had a good camp, he is mentally and physically ready I believe that he can beat Evans. But it doesn't sound like this is the case. Evans will probably be able to get him down and control him enough to squeak out a decision.

I hope Miller wrecks Bisping.

[azmark]

Never really followed MMA or UFC since the days of Gracie but my neighbor is Eric Larkin (http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=11168&zoneid=13) who I guess recently go offered a pro contract. Not sure with who but not UFC since it doesn't have his weight. So I guess I'll be checking it out a little more now.

[The Nid Hog]

I hope Rampage flattens Rashad.
I hope Miller flattens Bisping.
I haven't really thought much more about this one, although it seems like the story about the little Lauzon is kind of weird. I'll have to check out the rest of the fights.

[TimmyBoston]

I've never seen such universal hatred of a fighter that Bisping has.

[Sullybob]

I've never seen such universal hatred of a fighter that Bisping has.

Its kind of strange isn't it? I don't know one person who likes him, I do know several who respect his fighting abilities.

[TimmyBoston]

Its kind of strange isn't it? I don't know one person who likes him, I do know several who respect his fighting abilities.

From what I've read he's loved in the UK but universally despised here in the US*.









*And for good reason. :thumbup1:

[SRock]

UFC 114 this weekend, Rampage/Rashad; Bisping/Miller

Picks?

I think Rampage is the better fighter, but the ring rust may have damaged Quinton's game. Still my gut with going with Jackson, especially after Rashad's pathetic 3rd round against Thiago Silva.

As for Bisping/Miller, Michael is the better fighter, but the Miller boys are tough, I definitely want Dan to win, especially with the year he's had. He's one tough dude to be fighting at all. Though unless Bisping is fighting a ruthless, evil dictator I want him to lose every time.

I'm really bummed about Forrest's injury, I was really looking forward to his bout with Lil Nog. I know nothing about Jason Brilz, but I hope it's a good fight.

A game Rampage beats Evans everytime, but ring rust is a factor for so many fighters. To be honest I don't care who wins this one.

I think Bisping is going to win but I'd love to see Miller decimate him.


Its kind of strange isn't it? I don't know one person who likes him, I do know several who respect his fighting abilities.

Its because he's a grade "A" dirt bag. The only reason he's loved in the UK is because they don't have many options.


From what I've read he's loved in the UK but universally despised here in the US*.









*And for good reason. :thumbup1:

:yesnod:

[The Nid Hog]

Watching Dream now. The opening ceremony was very trippy--I felt like I was being subject to some kind of Soviet-era brainwashing. I'd love to see one of these in person sometime.

First fight: Minowaman v. Giant Foreigner freakshow. As expected. Now that it's out of the way, the fights are pretty good...

[SmoovD]

Watching Dream now. The opening ceremony was very trippy--I felt like I was being subject to some kind of Soviet-era brainwashing. I'd love to see one of these in person sometime.

First fight: Minowaman v. Giant Foreigner freakshow. As expected. Now that it's out of the way, the fights are pretty good...

And I am at work....hope to catch a replay down the line. Enjoy.

[The Nid Hog]

And I am at work....hope to catch a replay down the line. Enjoy.

I had thought about staying up last night to watch it, but I DVR'd it instead. I made breakfast for everybody and then my kids and I sat down to watch. Beats watching reruns of Scooby-Doo anyway. I won't spoil anything since most people haven't watched it yet. With UFC tonight, this is going to be a good day for MMA!

[Mejnoon]

Watching Dream now. The opening ceremony was very trippy--I felt like I was being subject to some kind of Soviet-era brainwashing. I'd love to see one of these in person sometime.

First fight: Minowaman v. Giant Foreigner freakshow. As expected. Now that it's out of the way, the fights are pretty good...

Dream was decent...its always fun to see Nick Diaz knock off a legend and Kid knock someone out. The officiating was a little bizarre though...the ref told Sakurai to stop punching Diaz in the back of the head two or three times, then just let it go...the stoppage during the Saku/Ralek fight when Saku had the kimura was horrible...then the guy who rushed in to save Kid's opponent landed a knee to the face sliding in:eek: I was bummed to see Hansen get KO'd...I thought he was going to destroy Takaya.

Looking forward to 114 tonight...the more I think about it the more I think Rampage has got this. Rashad may be a better wrestler on paper, but I think Rampage is the better mma wrestler...he's got better hips, he's stronger, and his wrestling (slams) complement his striking rather than being his fallback skillset. Rashad has never really learned to set up his shots...he either comes in planning to trade hands or he comes in planning to wrestle, and when he does the latter he shoots from the outside. That might work on Thiago Silva, but he'll struggle to take Rampage down, and Rampage will punish him for it. He'll try to lock up a double against the fence and get elevated and slammed, or he'll shoot from the outside and get stuffed and eat uppercuts and hooks on his way out.

The only way Rashad wins this fight is if he fights a very controlled kickboxing match...he needs to use his movement and quickness, get in and get out, attack the legs and avoid a slugfest at all costs. I just don't think he's gonna do it...Machida killed his desire to strike. He's gonna try to outwrestle Rampage, and he's gonna pay for it.

I'm picking Miller over Bisping. I think he'll wrestle/gnp his way to a UD. If Bisping can stuff his takedowns he will probably pick him apart, but I don't think he can. I hope Miller stands up in his guard, lands a huge Fedor/Shogun style bomb and puts him out, but I think its more likely he'll grind out the decision.

I'm also picking Kim over Sadollah, though I like Sadollah a lot. I think Kim's positioning/ground control are too much for Amir, and I think his sub defense is solid enough that he won't get caught. The wildcard is his gas tank...he's seemed to gas out in a few of his fights, and if he does Amir may tko or sub him. Based on his last fight with TJ Grant I'm thinking he's put in the work and will come in ready to do 3 5's.

My picks on the whole card:

Rashad Evans (206) vs. Quinton Jackson (205)
Dan Miller (185) vs. Michael Bisping (186)
Jason Brilz (205) vs. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira (205)
John Hathaway (171) vs. Diego Sanchez (171)
Mike Russow (253) vs. Todd Duffee (253)

Dong Hyun Kim (171) vs. Amir Sadollah (171)
Dan Lauzon (155) vs. Efrain Escudero (156)
Waylon Lowe (155) vs. Melvin Guillard (155)
Cyrille Diabate (205) vs. Luis Cane (205)
Joe Brammer (156) vs. Aaron Riley (156)
Ryan Jensen (185) vs. Jesse Forbes (186)

[SRock]

I had thought about staying up last night to watch it, but I DVR'd it instead. I made breakfast for everybody and then my kids and I sat down to watch. Beats watching reruns of Scooby-Doo anyway. I won't spoil anything since most people haven't watched it yet. With UFC tonight, this is going to be a good day for MMA!

I'm going to try and watch this tonight. I have the UFC in about an hour and then we're going to see Iron Man 2 again. So Dream will be after. :lol:

My picks for UFC 114:

Rashad Evans (206) vs. Quinton Jackson (205) (As long as he doesn't succumb to ring rust
Dan Miller (185) vs. Michael Bisping (186) (Though I really want Bisping to lose)
Jason Brilz (205) vs. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira (205)
John Hathaway (171) vs. Diego Sanchez (171)
Mike Russow (253) vs. Todd Duffee (253)

Dong Hyun Kim (171) vs. Amir Sadollah (171) (This one could go either way)
Dan Lauzon (155) vs. Efrain Escudero (156)
Waylon Lowe (155) vs. Melvin Guillard (155)
Cyrille Diabate (205) vs. Luis Cane (205)
Joe Brammer (156) vs. Aaron Riley (156)
Ryan Jensen (185) vs. Jesse Forbes (186)

[SmoovD]

That HW fight was horrible and awesome.

[SRock]

That HW fight was horrible and awesome.

Agreed! :lol:

[SRock]

Wow, so Rampage = Ring Rust. He just couldn't get it going and when he rocked Rashad he totally failed to capitalize. He should have went for broke at that exact moment. He knew he lost the first two rounds.

I guess we'll be seeing Shogun vs. Evans.

[SRock]

Didn't do as well with this one as I have in the past. 6-5 Ouch! Though to be honest a couple of these could have gone either way pretty easily and the Duffee/Russow fight was a total shocker.

Rashad Evans (206) vs. Quinton Jackson (205) (As long as he doesn't succumb to ring rust) Looks like the Ring Rust was there.
Dan Miller (185) vs. Michael Bisping (186) (Though I really want Bisping to lose) Bummer, I really wanted Bisping to lose.
Jason Brilz (205) vs. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira (205) I called it this way, but in fairness I think Brilz won this one.
John Hathaway (171) vs. Diego Sanchez (171) I thought Diego was going to pull this off but he was outclassed by Hathaway to be sure.
Mike Russow (253) vs. Todd Duffee (253) This might have been the one big surprise of this card.

Dong Hyun Kim (171) vs. Amir Sadollah (171) (This one could go either way)
Dan Lauzon (155) vs. Efrain Escudero (156)
Waylon Lowe (155) vs. Melvin Guillard (155)
Cyrille Diabate (205) vs. Luis Cane (205)
Joe Brammer (156) vs. Aaron Riley (156)
Ryan Jensen (185) vs. Jesse Forbes (186)

[TimmyBoston]

Brilz really impressed me. He definitely deserves other good fights. I also scored that one 29-28 with him stealing round 1 and conclusively winning round 2.

I've always said Duffee was at least 75% hype. That was proven tonight. Despite that I still thought he'd win. Wow, he really blew an opportunity.

Diego lost, that always makes me happy.

Bisping won, and that was no surprise. I really blame Miller though, he only attempted 2-3 takedowns, that was dumb. He was definitely the inferior striker.

As soon as I saw Rashad take a shot very early in the first round, I changed my prediction to Rashad by decision.

And after that very boring end to what I had hoped would be a really exciting card, I thought the 150 rednecks in the bar I was in were going to tear it apart.

[SRock]

And after that very boring end to what I had hoped would be a really exciting card, I thought the 150 rednecks in the bar I was in were going to tear it apart.

Wait, rednecks in a bar in Indiana watching MMA?!? :lol::lol:

Say it ain't so!

[TimmyBoston]

Wait, rednecks in a bar in Indiana watching MMA?!? :lol::lol:

Say it ain't so!

BW3s in Anderson. It was crawling with them. :lol:


I checked FightMetric, their winner was Brilz.

http://www.fightmetric.com/fights/Nogueira-Brilz.html

[SRock]

I checked FightMetric, their winner was Brilz.

http://www.fightmetric.com/fights/Nogueira-Brilz.html

I suspected that would be the case.

[TimmyBoston]

I suspected that would be the case.

Me too, but it's always nice to have confirmation. :thumbup1:

Since we've got a few days before the next fight, I'd like to introduce a new topic here:

Judging Reform

I think the sport drastically needs it. We consistently have at least 1 of the 5 main card fights incorrectly scored. I also hate the 10 point Must system. Some rounds are draws, they need to be scored that way.

[xivex]

Rampage looked sorry. I'm glad Rashad won as Rampage (imho) looks like a complete Douchebag everytime he talks. However, in Rampage's defense his post fight interview was actually rather humble and I'm shocked he gave credit to Rashad. He did try to blame "ring rust" as the reason he sucked though, I'd suspect it was more lack of training hard and the hollywood lifestyle. Its hard to cut from 250 lbs. to 205 lbs. in a short camp (which he had).

That said, wow how could Rampage not have won the fight after he landed that huge strike in the middle of the 3rd round? I re-watched the fight again this morning to review this and counted about 2 minutes of downtime from the moment Rashad started to recover until the moment Rampage did much of anything after that.. AMAZING! He could have easily finished the fight, but seemed like he gave up (maybe he was super gassed, not sure). To me though it really really looked like all he had to do was throw a couple more punches or Ground n Pound a bit more to a ref stoppage or KO. I can't believe he just laid on him after that and didn't throw any other strikes at all. Just laid on him until rashad got up and recovered. Amazing.

I think Rampage could have won that fight if he didn't quit after the almost KO in the 3rd round.

:thumbup1:

[SRock]

Judging Reform

How would you like to see it reformed, Tim? A friend of mine once suggested that they should simply use a system like Fight Metric to determine the winner.

I'm not a big fan of the must system.

[The Nid Hog]

That said, wow how could Rampage not have won the fight after he landed that huge strike in the middle of the 3rd round? I re-watched the fight again this morning to review this and counted about 2 minutes of downtime from the moment Rashad started to recover until the moment Rampage did much of anything after that.. AMAZING! He could have easily finished the fight, but seemed like he gave up (maybe he was super gassed, not sure).

I think that you hit the nail on the head. He was gassed. I don't think that he had anything left to throw the strikes.

[xivex]

On another note, is anyone that interested in the June events? After a quick glance at the dates/cards, I don't think I'll be buying another PPV until the July 3rd event aka the "Return of Brock". Totally amped for this fight! :thumbup:

[SRock]

I think that you hit the nail on the head. He was gassed. I don't think that he had anything left to throw the strikes.

:yesnod:


On another note, is anyone that interested in the June events? After a quick glance at the dates/cards, I don't think I'll be buying another PPV until the July 3rd event aka the "Return of Brock". Totally amped for this fight! :thumbup:

I agree. The best part is there won't be a loser IMHO. I mean if Brock keeps his title, great his reign will continue, but if he loses we get Carwin who I think would make a great champ.

[MikeyAces]

I'm hoping Carwin dismembers Lesner on the 3rd. I have a hard time getting behind Lesner because he has yet to show me ANYTHING. I know some of you may think that's crazy to say, since he has been so dominant since entering the UFC, but every fight he's one has been the result of him using his monsterous size as his only weapon. He's hasn't proven himself as a high level striker, he hasn't proven that he has any sort of submission backround. He's proven to be a high level wrestler, but even a mediocre wrestler could control a fight at Lesner's size.

Don't know if I'll be tuning in for UFC 115. I'm a Chuck Liddell fan, but I'm tired of watching Rich Franklin get his backside handed to him. That's gonna be a quick fight. But I would love to see two of the undercard fights. Ben Rothwell v. Gil Yvel and Paulo Thiago v. Martin Kampmann. Also looking forward to a prelim fight, Mac Danzig v. Matt Wiman.

EDIT: Also really amped for the Krystoff Soszynski v. Stephan Bonner fight, that's gonna be a bloodbath.

[MikeyAces]

From what I've read he's loved in the UK but universally despised here in the US*.









*And for good reason. :thumbup1:

I LOVE Mike Bisping, and I'm a card carrying American. He's a well rounded fighter, he gets better every time you see him, he's ballsy, and I love how brash and cocky he is.

[SRock]

I LOVE Mike Bisping, and I'm a card carrying American. He's a well rounded fighter, he gets better every time you see him, he's ballsy, and I love how brash and cocky he is.

I think that's precisely why so many don't like him. He's too brash and cocky, has more than one win that is questionable and has been spoon fed cans for fights in the UK just to up the UFC's UK fan base.

[MikeyAces]

I think that's precisely why so many don't like him. He's too brash and cocky, has more than one win that is questionable and has been spoon fed cans for fights in the UK just to up the UFC's UK fan base.

He's got one win that I don't agree with. Matt Hamill deserved the win in their fight, interestingly enough, the british judge was the only one who scored the fight in favor of Hamill. Both american judges scored for Bisping. That's the only questionable fight I think he has though. As far as his english fights being spoon fed to him, I'd hardly say that Chris Leben, Jason Day and Dennis Kang are pushovers.

[The Nid Hog]

He's got one win that I don't agree with. Matt Hamill deserved the win in their fight, interestingly enough, the british judge was the only one who scored the fight in favor of Hamill. Both american judges scored for Bisping. That's the only questionable fight I think he has though. As far as his english fights being spoon fed to him, I'd hardly say that Chris Leben, Jason Day and Dennis Kang are pushovers.

You should email Bisping. He might comp you some tickets for his next US fight just so there's one voice with an American accent cheering for him.

[TimmyBoston]

I LOVE Mike Bisping, and I'm a card carrying American. He's a well rounded fighter, he gets better every time you see him, he's ballsy, and I love how brash and cocky he is.

He's not nearly good enough to be that brash and cocky. Dan Henderson showed that to the world and Bisping received the most embarassing and humiliating knockout in UFC history and Hendo was beaten by Jake Shields for crying out loud. And I would consider the guys you named pushovers. No one said Bisping isn't talented, he is but doesn't exactly fight top competition either. Years from now all that will be remembered of Bisping is getting his rear stomped by a nearly 40 year old man.

[MikeyAces]

You should email Bisping. He might comp you some tickets for his next US fight just so there's one voice with an American accent cheering for him.

heh, I'll wear my Wolf's Lair t shirt too!


He's not nearly good enough to be that brash and cocky. Dan Henderson showed that to the world and Bisping received the most embarassing and humiliating knockout in UFC history and Hendo was beaten by Jake Shields for crying out loud. And I would consider the guys you named pushovers. No one said Bisping isn't talented, he is but doesn't exactly fight top competition either. Years from now all that will be remembered of Bisping is getting his rear stomped by a nearly 40 year old man.

Is getting your ass kicked by an extremely decorated 40 year old who has proven he can still fight something to be ashamed of?


Maybe Bisping couldn't hang at 205, that division is just stocked with mutant freaks of nature. I expect him to dominate at 185 and have the belt within the next year though.

[TimmyBoston]

Maybe Bisping couldn't hang at 205, that division is just stocked with mutant freaks of nature. I expect him to dominate at 185 and have the belt within the next year though.

Now, I know you've lost your mind. I'm not going to bother any more. :rolleyes: Keep thinking whatever you want, no one will get through to you.

[MikeyAces]

Now, I know you've lost your mind. I'm not going to bother any more. :rolleyes: Keep thinking whatever you want, no one will get through to you.

oh give me a break! Why is it hard to believe that Bisping could dominate at 185? He's a huge 185, he could roll with anyone in that division, strike with anyone in that division. Granted Anderson Silva is the most elusive dude i've ever seen fight, it's hard to see anyone beating him right now, but it will happen eventually.

Top 5 in that division as far as I'm concerned

1)Anderson Silva
2)Mike Bisping
3)Nate Marquart
4)Wanderlei Silva
5)Kendall Grove

Wandy isn't the same fighter he was when he beat Bisping, I just don't think anyone in that division is on his level except obviously A. Silva.

[TimmyBoston]

oh give me a break! Why is it hard to believe that Bisping could dominate at 185? He's a huge 185, he could roll with anyone in that division, strike with anyone in that division. Granted Anderson Silva is the most elusive dude i've ever seen fight, it's hard to see anyone beating him right now, but it will happen eventually.

Top 5 in that division as far as I'm concerned

1)Anderson Silva
2)Mike Bisping
3)Nate Marquart
4)Wanderlei Silva
5)Kendall Grove

Wandy isn't the same fighter he was when he beat Bisping, I just don't think anyone in that division is on his level except obviously A. Silva.

Apparently, you missed my last post. Don't make me repeat it. :wink:

[SRock]

You should email Bisping. He might comp you some tickets for his next US fight just so there's one voice with an American accent cheering for him.

:lol::lol::lol:


He's got one win that I don't agree with. Matt Hamill deserved the win in their fight, interestingly enough, the british judge was the only one who scored the fight in favor of Hamill. Both american judges scored for Bisping. That's the only questionable fight I think he has though. As far as his english fights being spoon fed to him, I'd hardly say that Chris Leben, Jason Day and Dennis Kang are pushovers.

I agree Hamill got totally robbed. As far as Leben, Day and Kang are concerned none were or are likely to rise to the top anytime soon. Don't get me wrong I think Bisping is talented but the way he talks you'd think he was the immortal Bruce Lee.


He's not nearly good enough to be that brash and cocky. Dan Henderson showed that to the world and Bisping received the most embarassing and humiliating knockout in UFC history and Hendo was beaten by Jake Shields for crying out loud. And I would consider the guys you named pushovers. No one said Bisping isn't talented, he is but doesn't exactly fight top competition either. Years from now all that will be remembered of Bisping is getting his rear stomped by a nearly 40 year old man.

Exactly!

[The Nid Hog]

I've been thinking about the discussion of Bisping and his run at the belt. It could work out if the conditions are just right.

But those conditions would have to be something like an accidental nuclear exchange that destroys the US/Canada, Russia, all of continental Europe and the countries of the former Soviet Union. Then, a series of volcanic eruptions buries Brazil and Japan. At that point, yeah, I could see it. Bisping brings home the belt to the Wolf's Lair.

[SmoovD]

Bisping comes across as a grade A D-bag. Leben, Day and Kang are not exactly contenders. Leben, meh. Day has a few good wins a few years back.
Kang's last good win was probably 5 years ago.

But enough of the harshing on Bisping.

I thought last weekend's UFC card was entertaining.

Sanchez got steamrolled- which is always A-OK in my book.

The Duffee/Russow fight was painful to watch until the end.

Lil Nog's dismal effort managed to make Brilz look like a contender. I love that he took the fight on short notice but he didn't bring much to the table beyond wrestling. And a bunch of heart. I thought he won the the fight but I don't count.

The Rampage/Evans fight went as I had expected. Too many outside influences in Jackson's life for him to have a good camp. Evans made Jackson look like he was standing still. Looks like Evans/Rua...should be good.

Lastly, Sonnen would grind Bisping into the mat. :w00t:

[TimmyBoston]

It's funny after weeks of Rampage's "I'm in the best shape of my life" He's now claiming how he didn't prepare at all.

Now, I agree he is suffering from ring rust, but watching the fight, I don't know if he can beat Rashad. Now that's the Rashad of his last 2 fights, the one who actually uses his wrestling instead of thinking he's a striker. If it's a 100% Rampage, Rashad can't beat him IMO on the feet.


Any thoughts of Rashad's title shot? Despite winning 2 fights since he lost the belt, I really don't think he deserves a shot. The division is too good. I don't like seeing him get another shot so fast.

[The Nid Hog]

I have very little interest watching Rashad fighting for the title but it's going to happen. I don't think that he matches up well at all with Rua at all, but Zuffa wants it. Down the line, I imagine future rematches with Bisping, Forrest and Rampage (after A-Team II).

[TimmyBoston]

I have very little interest watching Rashad fighting for the title but it's going to happen. I don't think that he matches up well at all with Rua at all, but Zuffa wants it. Down the line, I imagine future rematches with Bisping, Forrest and Rampage (after A-Team II).

I'll watch Rashad/Hua because I watch almost every fight I can, but I'm like you, I'm not interested in it. And I don't think Rashad deserves a shot. Not right now, IMO especially with his 2 lackluster wins, he needs at least 2 more wins in a row, maybe 3, before he gets a shot. I think all the fight organizations need to stop announcing so often that the winner of such and such fight gets a shot, it has too high a probability of backfiring. All to often there is a lackluster win and the public doesn't feel the winner actually deserves that shot.

[MikeyAces]

Any thoughts of Rashad's title shot? Despite winning 2 fights since he lost the belt, I really don't think he deserves a shot. The division is too good. I don't like seeing him get another shot so fast.

There's something we can agree on, haha! Nothing against Rashad, but there are many guys in that division who deserve another shot. I'd like to see Chuck get another crack at him (after he destroys Rich Franklin.) Or why not Ryan Bader, after his knockout of Jardine in his last fight, I'd like to see him get Rashad. If Rashad can take those two out, give him Rua.

[TimmyBoston]

There's something we can agree on, haha! Nothing against Rashad, but there are many guys in that division who deserve another shot. I'd like to see Chuck get another crack at him (after he destroys Rich Franklin.) Or why not Ryan Bader, after his knockout of Jardine in his last fight, I'd like to see him get Rashad. If Rashad can take those two out, give him Rua.

Chuck is no where near what he used to be and Rashad already bashed his brains in once. His timing is too easy to pick apart at this point and his speed isn't what it used to be, Chuck can't keep up with someone like Rashad's speed and movement. I'm a Chuck fan, he did a ton to make MMA what it is and he deserves credit for that, but I'd rather see him fight bouts he can win and leave with grace rather go out getting knocked out repeatedly. Had he just been able to KO Tito again and retire, I would have been happy.

Either way, Rashad doesn't belong there, IMO. Look at Jon Fitch, he's the best welterweight in the world, other than GSP of course, he's a winning machine and when's he likely to get another one? The UFC normally takes it's time with re-shots at the title, I don't know why Rashad should be any different. Makes no sense to me.

Personally, I think the UFC thought Rampage would win and get the shot. The same thing happened when Hardy upset Mike Swick. Nearly all top 10 lists had Jackson above Rashad. It was a mistake to offer the shot before the bout.

If Rashad does keep winning he certainly deserves one, he's been fighting fairly well, boring, but pretty good, well except for Rd 3 against Thiago Silva. My issue isn't that he's getting one, it's the timing. But he's only had two fights since being dethroned. That's nowhere near enough. Kenny Florian is a spectacular lightweight and he's having to fight his way back, as he should and I'm sure he'll get back there.

The final point where we really agree, I think Bader/Rashad would be a great bout, especially after he showed solid knockout power in the Jardine fight. Rashad has become a wrestler again, I'd love to see him against another top wrestler. They both also have such thick, powerful frames, and knockout power in their hands it would be a lot of fun to watch. If Rashad loses to Rua and Bader wins his next fight, I hope they pair these two up. That fight would be an excellent stepping stone for Bader earning a title shot himself.


Honestly, if they gave a title shot to someone who doesn't deserve it yet, I'd give it to Jon Jones. I don't think he's ready yet not experienced enough, but that kid is really going to be something special. Between his crazy freakin elbows and some of the best wrestling in the division, not to mention the longest reach in the UFC, he's dang good. I was really disappointed they paired him up with a has been like the Janitor in his next fight. He deserved at least someone the caliber of Forrest Griffin or similar in my opinion, a real test of how good he can be. At least we'll see how he does against a great, but one dimensional wrestler. But I thought they figured that out with Matt Hamill. :lol:

[Sullybob]

There's something we can agree on, haha! Nothing against Rashad, but there are many guys in that division who deserve another shot. I'd like to see Chuck get another crack at him (after he destroys Rich Franklin.) Or why not Ryan Bader, after his knockout of Jardine in his last fight, I'd like to see him get Rashad. If Rashad can take those two out, give him Rua.

Chuck is one of my favorite fighters but I think Rich is going to take him. Rich will be able to time him and counter or attack.

I think that the reason Rashad gets the title shot is because if Rampage won the fight he was going to get a title shot. Almost nobody expected Rashad to win so if he beat the next contender then he should get the next shot.

[MikeyAces]

Chuck is no where near what he used to be and Rashad already bashed his brains in once. His timing is too easy to pick apart at this point and his speed isn't what it used to be, Chuck can't keep up with someone like Rashad's speed and movement. I'm a Chuck fan, he did a ton to make MMA what it is and he deserves credit for that, but I'd rather see him fight bouts he can win and leave with grace rather go out getting knocked out repeatedly. Had he just been able to KO Tito again and retire, I would have been happy.

Either way, Rashad doesn't belong there, IMO. Look at Jon Fitch, he's the best welterweight in the world, other than GSP of course, he's a winning machine and when's he likely to get another one? The UFC normally takes it's time with re-shots at the title, I don't know why Rashad should be any different. Makes no sense to me.

Personally, I think the UFC thought Rampage would win and get the shot. The same thing happened when Hardy upset Mike Swick. Nearly all top 10 lists had Jackson above Rashad. It was a mistake to offer the shot before the bout.

If Rashad does keep winning he certainly deserves one, he's been fighting fairly well, boring, but pretty good, well except for Rd 3 against Thiago Silva. My issue isn't that he's getting one, it's the timing. But he's only had two fights since being dethroned. That's nowhere near enough. Kenny Florian is a spectacular lightweight and he's having to fight his way back, as he should and I'm sure he'll get back there.

The final point where we really agree, I think Bader/Rashad would be a great bout, especially after he showed solid knockout power in the Jardine fight. Rashad has become a wrestler again, I'd love to see him against another top wrestler. They both also have such thick, powerful frames, and knockout power in their hands it would be a lot of fun to watch. If Rashad loses to Rua and Bader wins his next fight, I hope they pair these two up. That fight would be an excellent stepping stone for Bader earning a title shot himself.


Honestly, if they gave a title shot to someone who doesn't deserve it yet, I'd give it to Jon Jones. I don't think he's ready yet not experienced enough, but that kid is really going to be something special. Between his crazy freakin elbows and some of the best wrestling in the division, not to mention the longest reach in the UFC, he's dang good. I was really disappointed they paired him up with a has been like the Janitor in his next fight. He deserved at least someone the caliber of Forrest Griffin or similar in my opinion, a real test of how good he can be. At least we'll see how he does against a great, but one dimensional wrestler. But I thought they figured that out with Matt Hamill. :lol:

I totally agree about Chuck, he's not the dominant fighter he was 4 or 5 years ago, and his game plan has become increasingly predictable. There's just some sort of magic he has that lots of people love. He's going to be a threat in the UFC for atleast another year before he thinks about hanging it up, and with his contributions to the MMA world, and the fact that he's not happy about the Tito fight falling through, I could see Dana White "making it up" to him so to speak. I wouldn't be surprised to see him get a title shot if he beats Rich Franklin.

I think Jon Jones is a dude to be respected, and he's gonna be a huge factor in the future. But I don't think he has the track record to deserve a title shot, outside of Brandon Vera, who has Jon Jones beaten?


Chuck is one of my favorite fighters but I think Rich is going to take him. Rich will be able to time him and counter or attack.


I really like Rich Franklin, but in his last couple losses, including that embarrassment to Silva, he just seems fragile. Chuck will land one of those looping bombs, and even if Rich is the better fighter these days, he just seems like he'll crack.

[Sullybob]

I totally agree about Chuck, he's not the dominant fighter he was 4 or 5 years ago, and his game plan has become increasingly predictable. There's just some sort of magic he has that lots of people love. He's going to be a threat in the UFC for atleast another year before he thinks about hanging it up, and with his contributions to the MMA world, and the fact that he's not happy about the Tito fight falling through, I could see Dana White "making it up" to him so to speak. I wouldn't be surprised to see him get a title shot if he beats Rich Franklin.

I think Jon Jones is a dude to be respected, and he's gonna be a huge factor in the future. But I don't think he has the track record to deserve a title shot, outside of Brandon Vera, who has Jon Jones beaten?



I really like Rich Franklin, but in his last couple losses, including that embarrassment to Silva, he just seems fragile. Chuck will land one of those looping bombs, and even if Rich is the better fighter these days, he just seems like he'll crack.

The first or second loss to Silva? I thought that they were both pretty bad, not embarrassing just brutal. And his most recent fight with Silva was 10/20/2007 almost three years ago. I think he should have beaten Henderson and would have if not for the eye poke, speculation on my part I know.

[The Nid Hog]

For different reasons, I feel the same way about a shot for Rashad and another shot for Chuck. I'm not excited about Shogun v. Rashad, but I think that there are a lot of fights you could make out there for Rashad that would be good on the main card. Same with Chuck. I don't see him as ever having a legitimate chance at the title again, but as long as he's willing to let himself get knocked even punchier, there are fights that they can make for him that will please his fans.

Since, for obvious reasons, Machida and Rampage aren't going to get another shot for a while, I think that the most interesting fight for Rua would be Anderson Silva. But I'm not the guy making the fights so I guess we'll be getting Evans.

[MikeyAces]

The first or second loss to Silva? I thought that they were both pretty bad, not embarrassing just brutal. And his most recent fight with Silva was 10/20/2007 almost three years ago. I think he should have beaten Henderson and would have if not for the eye poke, speculation on my part I know.

The first one was bad, the second was downright embarassing. Heh, I'll agree with you on the second part, he could've beat Dan Henderson. I mean, I've counted Rich Franklin out his whole career. I remember buying my friends a round of shots during the Evan Tanner fight, because I was drunk and in a betting mood. "Tanner will destroy him you idiots!" That was the last time I ever made a bet on a fight haha. So I really wouldn't be too surprised if he comes in and knocks Chuck around. There's just something about Chuck though.

[SRock]

I've been thinking about the discussion of Bisping and his run at the belt. It could work out if the conditions are just right.

But those conditions would have to be something like an accidental nuclear exchange that destroys the US/Canada, Russia, all of continental Europe and the countries of the former Soviet Union. Then, a series of volcanic eruptions buries Brazil and Japan. At that point, yeah, I could see it. Bisping brings home the belt to the Wolf's Lair.

That or the UFC could keep booking him as a headliner on substandard cards hosted in the UK, OZ or Canada and spoon feed him a half dozen more cans and then call him "ready" for a title shot.


Bisping comes across as a grade A D-bag.

Lastly, Sonnen would grind Bisping into the mat. :w00t:

:lol::lol::lol:


It's funny after weeks of Rampage's "I'm in the best shape of my life" He's now claiming how he didn't prepare at all.

Now, I agree he is suffering from ring rust, but watching the fight, I don't know if he can beat Rashad. Now that's the Rashad of his last 2 fights, the one who actually uses his wrestling instead of thinking he's a striker. If it's a 100% Rampage, Rashad can't beat him IMO on the feet.


Any thoughts of Rashad's title shot? Despite winning 2 fights since he lost the belt, I really don't think he deserves a shot. The division is too good. I don't like seeing him get another shot so fast.

Sounds an awful lot like Tito doesn't he. I've lost more and more respect for Rashad in the past couple of years.


I have very little interest watching Rashad fighting for the title but it's going to happen. I don't think that he matches up well at all with Rua at all, but Zuffa wants it. Down the line, I imagine future rematches with Bisping, Forrest and Rampage (after A-Team II).

I'm sure you are right.


I'll watch Rashad/Hua because I watch almost every fight I can, but I'm like you, I'm not interested in it. And I don't think Rashad deserves a shot. Not right now, IMO especially with his 2 lackluster wins, he needs at least 2 more wins in a row, maybe 3, before he gets a shot. I think all the fight organizations need to stop announcing so often that the winner of such and such fight gets a shot, it has too high a probability of backfiring. All to often there is a lackluster win and the public doesn't feel the winner actually deserves that shot.

+1

[TimmyBoston]

Only a week until Liddell/Franklin.

UFC 115

Main card

* Light Heavyweight bout: Chuck Liddell vs. Rich Franklin
* Heavyweight bout: Mirko Cro Cop vs. Pat Barry
* Welterweight bout: Paulo Thiago vs. Martin Kampmann
* Heavyweight bout: Ben Rothwell vs. Gilbert Yvel
* Welterweight bout: Carlos Condit vs. Rory MacDonald

Preliminary card (Spike TV)

* Lightweight bout: Tyson Griffin vs. Evan Dunham
* Lightweight bout: Mac Danzig vs. Matt Wiman


Preliminary card

* Middleweight bout: David Loiseau vs. Mario Miranda
* Welterweight bout: James Wilks vs. Peter Sobotta
* Welterweight bout: Ricardo Funch vs. Claude Patrick
* Welterweight bout: Mike Pyle vs. Jesse Lennox



I looking forward to CroCop/Pat Barry. Neither is great, IMO, but they will stand and bang and with the lackluster fights of late, that's exactly what I want to see. Despising Thiago, Kampmann and Condit, I really could care less about the welterweight bouts despite being pretty even matchups. I'm glad to see Tyson Griffin back, I'm a fan of his. Hope he pounds Dunham.

[Sullybob]

Only a week until Liddell/Franklin.

UFC 115

Main card

* Light Heavyweight bout: Chuck Liddell vs. Rich Franklin
* Heavyweight bout: Mirko Cro Cop vs. Pat Barry
* Welterweight bout: Paulo Thiago vs. Martin Kampmann
* Heavyweight bout: Ben Rothwell vs. Gilbert Yvel
* Welterweight bout: Carlos Condit vs. Rory MacDonald

Preliminary card (Spike TV)

* Lightweight bout: Tyson Griffin vs. Evan Dunham
* Lightweight bout: Mac Danzig vs. Matt Wiman


Preliminary card

* Middleweight bout: David Loiseau vs. Mario Miranda
* Welterweight bout: James Wilks vs. Peter Sobotta
* Welterweight bout: Ricardo Funch vs. Claude Patrick
* Welterweight bout: Mike Pyle vs. Jesse Lennox



I looking forward to CroCop/Pat Barry. Neither is great, IMO, but they will stand and bang and with the lackluster fights of late, that's exactly what I want to see. Despising Thiago, Kampmann and Condit, I really could care less about the welterweight bouts despite being pretty even matchups. I'm glad to see Tyson Griffin back, I'm a fan of his. Hope he pounds Dunham.

I made my predictions bold.

I've been a fan of Rich almost as long as I've been a fan of Chucks. I just don't think Chuck has it in him anymore. I think Rich is in a bad spot too. He is a great IMO 185 pound fighter. The only problem is he has almost no chance of beating the current belt holder. I think he either needs to stop taking catch weight fights and stay at 205 or move back to 185 and be a gate keeper. I think he takes Chuck.

Mirko all the way. I would really like to see the old hungry Mirko show up but that guy might be fishing.

I'll take Martin over Thiago.

I really like Tyson and I would like to see him get on a winning streak. He is a machine.

David Loiseau is another fighter that I really like. I don't think he has been the same fighter since he fought Franklin for the belt.

[TimmyBoston]

Main card

* Light Heavyweight bout: Chuck Liddell vs. Rich Franklin
* Heavyweight bout: Mirko Cro Cop vs. Pat Barry
* Welterweight bout: Paulo Thiago vs. Martin Kampmann
* Heavyweight bout: Ben Rothwell vs. Gilbert Yvel
* Welterweight bout: Carlos Condit vs. Rory MacDonald

Preliminary card (Spike TV)

* Lightweight bout: Tyson Griffin vs. Evan Dunham
* Lightweight bout: Mac Danzig vs. Matt Wiman

These are my predictions. I'm still very unsure about the Liddell/Franklin. That one could really go either way.

[Sullybob]

Main card

* Light Heavyweight bout: Chuck Liddell vs. Rich Franklin
* Heavyweight bout: Mirko Cro Cop vs. Pat Barry
* Welterweight bout: Paulo Thiago vs. Martin Kampmann
* Heavyweight bout: Ben Rothwell vs. Gilbert Yvel
* Welterweight bout: Carlos Condit vs. Rory MacDonald

Preliminary card (Spike TV)

* Lightweight bout: Tyson Griffin vs. Evan Dunham
* Lightweight bout: Mac Danzig vs. Matt Wiman

These are my predictions. I'm still very unsure about the Liddell/Franklin. That one could really go either way.

I totally agree about the Franklin Liddell fight. Chuck doesn't have a bunch of KO's because he doesn't hit hard. It will be interesting to see what kind of motivation Chuck has to fight Rich. Chuck was eager to fight Tito. I don' think he has the same motivation to fight Rich.

[MikeyAces]

* Light Heavyweight bout: Chuck Liddell vs. Rich Franklin
* Heavyweight bout: Mirko Cro Cop vs. Pat Barry
* Welterweight bout: Paulo Thiago vs. Martin Kampmann
* Heavyweight bout: Ben Rothwell vs. Gilbert Yvel
* Welterweight bout: Carlos Condit vs. Rory MacDonald

Preliminary card (Spike TV)

* Lightweight bout: Tyson Griffin vs. Evan Dunham
* Lightweight bout: Mac Danzig vs. Matt Wiman


Preliminary card

* Middleweight bout: David Loiseau vs. Mario Miranda
* Welterweight bout: James Wilks vs. Peter Sobotta
* Welterweight bout: Ricardo Funch vs. Claude Patrick
* Welterweight bout: Mike Pyle vs. Jesse Lennox

I think the Rothwell/Gvel fight is the hardest to call. In all the prelim fights, I'm familiar with one fighter, and not the other, so I can't call a winner. This card is funny, the fights I'm most excited to see are the 2 prelims on spike, and the first two fights on the PPV.

[TimmyBoston]

Preliminary card

* Middleweight bout: David Loiseau vs. Mario Miranda
* Welterweight bout: James Wilks vs. Peter Sobotta
* Welterweight bout: Ricardo Funch vs. Claude Patrick
* Welterweight bout: Mike Pyle vs. Jesse Lennox

I think the Rothwell/Gvel fight is the hardest to call. In all the prelim fights, I'm familiar with one fighter, and not the other, so I can't call a winner. This card is funny, the fights I'm most excited to see are the 2 prelims on spike, and the first two fights on the PPV.

As for the prelims, I'd go with Louisea, Wilks, Pyle and Funch. But I know very little about most of these guys as well.

[SRock]

My predictions in bold:

* Light Heavyweight bout: Chuck Liddell vs. Rich Franklin
* Heavyweight bout: Mirko Cro Cop vs. Pat Barry
* Welterweight bout: Paulo Thiago vs. Martin Kampmann
* Heavyweight bout: Ben Rothwell vs. Gilbert Yvel
* Welterweight bout: Carlos Condit vs. Rory MacDonald

Preliminary card (Spike TV)

* Lightweight bout: Tyson Griffin vs. Evan Dunham
* Lightweight bout: Mac Danzig vs. Matt Wiman

I'm not particularly excited about any of these fights and I think the Liddell/Franklin and Cro Cop/Barry fights can go either way and I won't be surprised who wins either bout unless it is by some crazy uncharacteristic means.

[SmoovD]

Most of this upcomg card gets a thorough "meh" outta me. The headliner might have been interesting a few years back. Mirko doesn't even seem to care anymore. The Thiago/Kampmann fight should be decent but I see Thiago winning a unanmous decision. Rothwell over Yvel via GnP strikes. Condit/ MacDonald should be a good fight. I will pick McDonald by decision. I will also take Dunham by sub and Danzig by decision.

[The Nid Hog]

Main card

* Light Heavyweight bout: Chuck Liddell vs. Rich Franklin
* Heavyweight bout: Mirko Cro Cop vs. Pat Barry
* Welterweight bout: Paulo Thiago vs. Martin Kampmann
* Heavyweight bout: Ben Rothwell vs. Gilbert Yvel
* Welterweight bout: Carlos Condit vs. Rory MacDonald

Preliminary card (Spike TV)

* Lightweight bout: Tyson Griffin vs. Evan Dunham
* Lightweight bout: Mac Danzig vs. Matt Wiman

These are my predictions. I'm still very unsure about the Liddell/Franklin. That one could really go either way.

My picks are the same as yours with the exception of Danzig. I like him a lot, but I think that Wiman is going to come with a little more. Either way, I think it's going to end up with the judges. I also think Franklin is going to be ready for Liddell--look for him to end it in the second with strikes.

I was watching the most recent Dream on HDNet the other day and realized the one complaint that I have about the UFC's PPV broadcasts (other than the price). I like the fact that the Dream broadcasts, like Pride before them, maintain the pace of the live event. I wish I could pay to watch a UFC event and have it broadcast live, from the first preliminary to the final bout. I know that the producers do slot in the best prelims when time allows, filling the gaps created by short fights or making sure that a great prelim gets screened. Still, I like the natural pacing better--it's more like being there live.

[The Nid Hog]

I was just checking on line to see when the next Dream event was scheduled and I came across a new Japanese promotion called Tenkaichi. Anybody know anything about it?

[SRock]

Looks like many of us pick this card very similarly with the one or two exceptions that are likely hopeful pics and biases.

My pic of CroCop is probably just dreaming but I want a head kick KO.


I was just checking on line to see when the next Dream event was scheduled and I came across a new Japanese promotion called Tenkaichi. Anybody know anything about it?

Haven't heard of it.

[The Nid Hog]

I had a dream last night that I was watching Liddell v. Franklin on Saturday. First round: after feeling each out for a couple of minutes, Chuck uses strikes to close the gap and takes Franklin down. Stays active, beating Franklin pretty seriously. Round two goes straight to the ground and Chuck pounds him out midway through the round.

Now my conscious pick for the fight is Franklin. Is this a message from beyond?

[TimmyBoston]

I had a dream last night that I was watching Liddell v. Franklin on Saturday. First round: after feeling each out for a couple of minutes, Chuck uses strikes to close the gap and takes Franklin down. Stays active, beating Franklin pretty seriously. Round two goes straight to the ground and Chuck pounds him out midway through the round.

Now my conscious pick for the fight is Franklin. Is this a message from beyond?

Place a bet and find out.

[Barbash]

I am still on the fence about purchasing this weekend's fight, but in the end I probably will get it because I am interested to see what Franklin has left and see if he could actually make another run for the title.

I am also interested in seeing next weekend's TUF Finale. Jardine should be able to take care of Hamill, but Hamill is such a good wrestler that I wouldn't be surprised to see him pointing Jardine. The fight between McGee and McCray is interesting to me because both of them underwelmed me at points during the season, but McCray looked good in histhe Semi and like Dana said(over and over) McGee seems to be getting better with each fight and could end the match at any time with a submission. I want to see Attonito knock Yager out!

Plus, Leben is on the card and it is a Free fight.

[TimmyBoston]

I am still on the fence about purchasing this weekend's fight,

If there is a Buffalo Wild Wings near you, they show the fights for free. Saves you some cash.

[Sullybob]

If there is a Buffalo Wild Wings near you, they show the fights for free. Saves you some cash.

Or a sports bar, A couple near me show the UFC's.

[TimmyBoston]

Or a sports bar, A couple near me show the UFC's.

They show them at sports bars in my area too, but they charge usually about $10. While still cheaper than buying the PPV, that's why I specifically mentioned BW3s, they are free.

[Barbash]

They show them at sports bars in my area too, but they charge usually about $10. While still cheaper than buying the PPV, that's why I specifically mentioned BW3s, they are free.

Thanks for the heads up because there is a Buffalo Wild Wings right down the road from me and I never knew they showed the fights. The bars around me charge between $15 and $20 to get in.

[The Nid Hog]

Call before you go to see if they reserve tables or not. The bars around my house that show UFC are insanely crowded but you can beat the press by making a reservation.

[Sullybob]

They show them at sports bars in my area too, but they charge usually about $10. While still cheaper than buying the PPV, that's why I specifically mentioned BW3s, they are free.

The sports bars near me show them for free. But Like Nid mentioned below, they get insanely crowed, so you need to get there early.


Call before you go to see if they reserve tables or not. The bars around my house that show UFC are insanely crowded but you can beat the press by making a reservation.

[SRock]

Watching now....


Place a bet and find out.

Why not, I say go for it!

[Barbash]

Don't want to ruin the main event, but WOW!

[SRock]

Don't want to ruin the main event, but WOW!

Wow is right! Fight of the night! KO of the night!

Why is Joe Rogan so against Chuck? He looked great in this fight.