UFC 101- Contains Spoilers [Archive]

andyx1205

08-09-2009, 12:24 AM

forrest griffith got embarassed. that wasnt even a hard shot he took but he laid down like he had just got punched by brock lesnar or something.

not that silva wasnt good...but that was just pathetic.

BJ Penn however...looked really good against KenFlo.

Forrest Griffin didn't "dive," he was hurt earlier by Silva's punches, and you could tell since he was wobbly. But man, Anderson Silva shut everyone up.

I want to see Anderson Silva vs Rampage, or rather Lyoto Machida.

Or best of all...

Anderson Silva vs Georges St Pierre at 185! Dan Henderson wanted a title shot on Anderson, but after he just rocked Griffin I doubt anyone in the Middleweight division can take the Spiderman.

bearbear

08-09-2009, 01:36 AM

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don't be fooled, that was a hard punch. Look at how it rattled his head. The most dangerous punch is one you don't see coming/expect. Forest ran head first into it as silva planted himself.

For forest to throw his hands up like that, something was seriously wrong, hes a tough dude. Perhaps a broken cheek or orbital bone.

I love how every show, joe rogan knocks on the pride fighters, and every show hes shut up by Anderson Silva.

I thought the pen fight was mediocre at best, and to be honest, i'm not a pen fan, this is one of the few fights he showed up in shape for, and still spent alot of time getting man handled. Points to kenny for the effort, but he just doesn't have it in him to be a champ.

I was super impressed with sotiropoulos, but a lil dissapointed at how violently he yanked on his opponents arm. That could have easily been a career ending injury had his opponent not tapped right away and resisted the movement. He was going for a break/dislocation/tear, not a submission which for the most part, pro fighters are good about using control and sticking to joint manipulations.

Leche

08-09-2009, 01:55 AM

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I love how every show, joe rogan knocks on the pride fighters

I wish Pride was still around.

scottb

08-09-2009, 03:33 AM

I don't know man....Pride had some great fights, but I've seen a couple where I thought the loser was dead.

I love a good fight, but I don't want anybody getting brain damage or such. I know it's hypocritical.

SRock

08-09-2009, 04:04 AM

How many of you guys saw his demolition of Forrest Griffin?

I never miss an MMA event! Silva was quite simply the better striker, on a whole different level. I haven't been impressed by Silva's last couple of fights, but I never doubted that he is one of the finest strikers in MMA.

forrest griffith got embarassed. that wasnt even a hard shot he took but he laid down like he had just got punched by brock lesnar or something.

not that silva wasnt good...but that was just pathetic.

BJ Penn however...looked really good against KenFlo.

Griffin was outclassed by a better striker. If Forrest was going to have half a chance he needed to wear him down and not charge straight into a barrage of punches. His performance wasn't pathetic he is just not on the same level as Silva (as far as striking is concerned).

I am not a fan of BJ Penn at all but that doesn't change the fact that he looked damn good tonight. Again on a whole different level than the his competition.

Forrest Griffin didn't "dive," he was hurt earlier by Silva's punches, and you could tell since he was wobbly. But man, Anderson Silva shut everyone up.

I want to see Anderson Silva vs Rampage, or rather Lyoto Machida.

Or best of all...

Anderson Silva vs Georges St Pierre at 185! Dan Henderson wanted a title shot on Anderson, but after he just rocked Griffin I doubt anyone in the Middleweight division can take the Spiderman.

I couldn't agree more. Griffin didn't "dive", quit or otherwise give up. He was rocked two previous times. By the time he took that jab his brain probably felt a bit like Jello. It was an earned KO brought on by the two previous "rocking" blows.

I don't know man....Pride had some great fights, but I've seen a couple where I thought the loser was dead.

I love a good fight, but I don't want anybody getting brain damage or such. I know it's hypocritical.

+1 As an amateur fighter I both agree and appreciate this sentiment! However, I always will be a huge fan of what Pride brought to MMA.

Baloosh

08-09-2009, 05:22 AM

That was a striking clinic put on by Silva. And it just goes to show you that Griffin is nowhere near the same league as Silva.

Jethro1984

08-09-2009, 05:32 AM

Didn't get to see the fight but it sure looks like Silva dished out a real doozie when Griffin went down.

Sullybob

08-09-2009, 05:39 AM

I was stunned. I didn't think Forrest was going to win the fight, but I thought it was going to go into the second or third round. I'm not really sure what Forrest's game plan was. I thought he might try to use his superior size and strength to wear Silva down.

Kratos

08-09-2009, 06:46 AM

I can't stand Joe Rogan. He always sounds like such an inimitable douchebag. And why does he bag on Pride fighters? Some of the UFC's top talent came from Pride. I guess my second line explains that.

Confuzius

08-09-2009, 06:49 AM

I'm still trying to figure out what happened to Griffin after the fight when he RAN out of the arena, broken jaw? colossal embarrassment? running from bookies?
I'm also convinced that Silva is borderline psychic or just lives his life in matrix bullet time. "very elusive" indeed!

And the fight that broke out in the croud
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SmoovD

08-09-2009, 07:23 AM

Bad night for Zuffa. The card was full of mismatched fights. Silvia looked almost as impressive as Griffin looked terrible. B.J. looked decent once he got his shot on the ground. KFlo didn't seem to have much of a game plan. The stoppage of the Hendricks/Sadollah fight was pretty bad as well. On the bright side, the early stoppage of the first Riley/Nelson fight led to last night's thrilling... eh. Nevermind.

Stay classy, Philly.

C'mon WEC, save the fight weekend, please.

thunderball

08-09-2009, 07:25 AM

I'm still trying to figure out what happened to Griffin after the fight when he RAN out of the arena, broken jaw? colossal embarrassment? running from bookies?

Griffin's camp said he dislocated his jaw and lost hearing in one ear, hence the quick departure to get it checked out. Not the best UFC event ever but some good fights...BJ looked great and Silva, well, that was just amazing. :eek: That Greek dude was on it too (can't recall his name at the moment).

northpaw

08-09-2009, 07:29 AM

They wanted a big, slow guy to follow Anderson around and make him look real good. And they're like "Forrest is a big slow guy; he takes a beating well. Get him to do it - he's stupid."

- Griffin at a book signing earlier this year

I really wanted Forrest to have a better showing, but pitting a relatively slow brawler against one of the fastest guys out there, well...

As for that fadeaway jab that ended it, it doesn't take much to knock someone out if a punch lands perfectly, especially if the opponent leans into it. Force transfer is a funny thing, and sometimes it happens way more efficiently than you'd expect - think hitting a home run without swinging hard and being a little surprised by it.

JBLAZE725

08-09-2009, 08:04 AM

I think Griffin's gameplan was horrible. Griffin is known as one of the biggest light heavyweights in the world, but absolutely NOT a knockout hitter. If he wanted to use his size advantage against Silva he would have had to take him down and make Silva work hard to defend himself with Griffins weight on him or press him against the cage, not allow separation and do the same thing there all the while controlling him and picking his shots. I don't think anyone really believed Griffin would KO Silva, his main shot to win was via decision or if Silva made a huge mistake submission. I'm all for tough, but you have to fight in a way that gives you the best chance to win and he didn't do that. Penn on the other handfought very well, paced himself so his conditioning wouldn't be a factor and while he looked better on the feet he looked amazing on the ground. I didn't think he would dominate that much once it went to the mat, but he sure did. I really believe he needs to stick to the lightweight division. He's a great fighter, but the size disadvantage he has at welterweight is too much to overcome. At lightweight he is a beast. I can't wait to see Penn versus Sanchez.

The Nid Hog

08-09-2009, 02:22 PM

don't be fooled, that was a hard punch. Look at how it rattled his head. The most dangerous punch is one you don't see coming/expect. Forest ran head first into it as silva planted himself.

For forest to throw his hands up like that, something was seriously wrong, hes a tough dude. Perhaps a broken cheek or orbital bone.

I think that you're absolutely right about that punch. Forrest moving into it just compounded the force of the strike. As far as the hands going up--I didn't think that Forrest was submitting. It looked to me like he was disoriented and thought that the ref was Silva about to mount him. I think that he was trying to defend himself.

Penn on the other hand fought very well, paced himself so his conditioning wouldn't be a factor and while he looked better on the feet he looked amazing on the ground. I didn't think he would dominate that much once it went to the mat, but he sure did.

Penn fought an excellent fight. Although I do think that he had a strategy to deal with Florian, it also seemed like he gained a lot of confidence from fighting with self-control through the first three rounds.

bearbear

08-10-2009, 01:00 AM

I wish Pride was still around.
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I think Griffin's gameplan was horrible. Griffin is known as one of the biggest light heavyweights in the world, but absolutely NOT a knockout hitter. If he wanted to use his size advantage against Silva he would have had to take him down and make Silva work hard to defend himself with Griffins weight on him or press him against the cage, not allow separation and do the same thing there all the while controlling him and picking his shots. I don't think anyone really believed Griffin would KO Silva, his main shot to win was via decision or if Silva made a huge mistake submission. I'm all for tough, but you have to fight in a way that gives you the best chance to win and he didn't do that. Penn on the other handfought very well, paced himself so his conditioning wouldn't be a factor and while he looked better on the feet he looked amazing on the ground. I didn't think he would dominate that much once it went to the mat, but he sure did. I really believe he needs to stick to the lightweight division. He's a great fighter, but the size disadvantage he has at welterweight is too much to overcome. At lightweight he is a beast. I can't wait to see Penn versus Sanchez.
i think people seem to forget that silva is a bjj blackbelt. Forest might have been able to out wrestle him, but...how long before silva tore off a limb for his efforts? I'll agree silva is dasadvantaged on the ground with long limbs, they're easy for the opponent to get alot of leverage on a joint...but there are few with the same caliber ground game, and right now, i'd say no one in his weight class (anywhere in the word) could out strike him.

jiujitsuguy

08-10-2009, 07:04 AM

I also never miss an MMA event!....Well except maybe the WEC last night....anyways!

Silva is MMA's Roy Jones Jr (a poor mans RJJ mind you but still amazing). There's talk he's vacating his 185 belt to fight at 205. which would make for tons of great match ups.

There were so many WTF moments last night.
-Kurt slapping Neer
-Andersons face when he heard the boos. That had me laughing pretty hard
-Anderson toying with Griffin
-Kenflos failed superman punch
-Someone stealing Kennys hat while on his way to the cage

Those are just some that come to mind. I'm sure there are tons more that are escaping me right now. And to think Nog vs Couture is happening in a few short weeks as well!

JBLAZE725

08-10-2009, 10:10 AM

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i think people seem to forget that silva is a bjj blackbelt. Forest might have been able to out wrestle him, but...how long before silva tore off a limb for his efforts? I'll agree silva is dasadvantaged on the ground with long limbs, they're easy for the opponent to get alot of leverage on a joint...but there are few with the same caliber ground game, and right now, i'd say no one in his weight class (anywhere in the word) could out strike him.

Silva is a BJJ black belt under the Nogueira brothers and is very dangerous on the ground, but he's most dangerous on his feet striking. In his entire UFC career the only time he was ever in real trouble was on the ground against Travis Lutter. I don't think it's due to his long limbs, I actually think those help in the ground game. I just think that, even as a black belt the ground game is still the weakest part of his game. Not weak at all, but the weakest part of his game. He seems to enjoy knocking opponents out more than submitting them so he may not train the ground as much as standing.

Kratos

08-10-2009, 10:56 AM

TimmyBoston

08-10-2009, 11:15 AM

Silva's long limbs may not be a total weakness in his ground game. They also provide more leverage for him. I'd rather keep it standing if I were him, though. Especially since he seemingly can't be touched right now.

+1, Many people think they are a BJJ advantage because of the leverage and his flexibility.

LessLemming

08-10-2009, 11:41 AM

DAAAAAAAAAAAAMNIT !!!!

Could please someone put a *spolier* warning in the headline?
No hard feelings, but here in germany UFC 101 will not be aired before next month and now I know how the superfight ends...
*smileys here are not sad enough to show what I look like now*

(not that I had already been expecting this kind of ending for the fight)

TimmyBoston

08-10-2009, 12:08 PM

Sorry about that.

Title changed.

ouch

08-10-2009, 12:41 PM

I didn't for a moment think that Forrest possesed a skill set sufficient to beat Silva, but seeing that tough kid get knocked out so cleanly was a bit surprising.

Mejnoon

08-10-2009, 01:59 PM

I called very single fight on this card with the exception of Hendricks/Sadollah.

WEC 42 was much more interesting. I didn't see Bowles doing what he did to Torres, extremely impressive performance. Dominick Cruz looked excellent also against an extremely tough opponent in Joseph Benavidez. There were a couple of questionable split decisions on the bottom of the card, but overall it was an amazing show.

I think the WEC bantamweight division is the most exciting division in the sport right now.

Mejnoon

08-10-2009, 02:10 PM

I didn't for a moment think that Forrest possesed a skill set sufficient to beat Silva, but seeing that tough kid get knocked out so cleanly was a bit surprising.

That was my reaction as well. Backing up, with his hands down...throws one crisp, clean shot perfectly placed, and thats it. It was reminiscent of some old Roy Jones Jr. knockouts.

bearbear

08-10-2009, 02:14 PM

Silva is a BJJ black belt under the Nogueira brothers and is very dangerous on the ground, but he's most dangerous on his feet striking. In his entire UFC career the only time he was ever in real trouble was on the ground against Travis Lutter. I don't think it's due to his long limbs, I actually think those help in the ground game. I just think that, even as a black belt the ground game is still the weakest part of his game. Not weak at all, but the weakest part of his game. He seems to enjoy knocking opponents out more than submitting them so he may not train the ground as much as standing. No doubt hes a striker at heart. But like a said, they don't give blackbelts in bjj to just anyone.

+1, Many people think they are a BJJ advantage because of the leverage and his flexibility.

Speaking from my own humble training exp;erience(runing 17 years in martial arts, 10 of the mma approach, including wrestling, bjj, thai etc), limbs like silvas are a disadvantage on the ground

i.e. long legs suck if you're trying to put some one in a triangle, you simply cant close it tight enough. He doesn't have a heavy musculature so the problem is compounded.

Long limbs are eaiser to grab hold of, and easier to manipulate in comparison to short, stuby, limbs where the musculature more dense per unit area. opponents with short limbs are very hard to gain leverage on, think of it in the context of an arm bar, as its like fighting a ball of muscle, versus yanking on a crowbar. It can be done on the shorter one, but with considerably more effort. Also, the close into the opponents body the point you're trying to leverage, the more they can use "body english" to resist you. many joint manipulations involve geting the point of interest, isolated from the rest of the body using your own body.

Mejnoon

08-10-2009, 02:22 PM

Speaking from my own many years of training(runing 17 years in martial arts, 10 of the mma approach, including wrestling, bjj, thai etc), limbs like silvas are a disadvantage on the ground

i.e. long legs suck if you're trying to put some one in a triangle, you simply cant close it tight enough. He doesn't have a heavy musculature so the problem is compounded.

Long limbs are eaiser to grab hold of, and easier to manipulate in comparison to short, stuby, limbs where the musculature more dense per unit area. opponents with short limbs are very hard to gain leverage on, think of it in the context of an arm bar, as its like fighting a ball of muscle, versus yanking on a crowbar. It can be done on the shorter one, but with considerably more effort. Also, the close into the opponents body the point you're trying to leverage, the more they can use "body english" to resist you.

I disagree. Long limbs can be a huge advantage on the ground once you figure out your game...particularly without the gi.

Its true that long limbs can be easier to grab and manipulate, but they offer several advantages as well.

It is easier to get a triangle with long legs because its easier to slip the arm through. Its easier to finish because of the greater leverage that can be applied. If you're not getting it tight enough its probably because you're squared up with the guy, you've got to get the right angle. Look at a guy like Nate Diaz...his legs are extremely long and his triangles are devastating. Watch the end of the Pellegrino fight if you want to see what I'm talking about...Nate has the arm through from the take down...he shifts his hips and locks it up, then starts cheering before he finishes. Watch closely how he locks it up right before he starts celebrating...then watch how he finishes without even having to pull the head down or the arm over...a short limbed guy can't do that.

Anderson Silva/Travis Lutter is another great example of a tall guy locking up a tight triangle. A guy like Travis Lutter can easily shuck off any triangle that isn't set perfectly. Cole Escovedo is a very long limbed dude who had a ridiculous streak of triangle wins a few years ago.

Arm triangles and other arm chokes are easier with long arms. Long legs allow you to use a body triangle from the back or even the guard to maintain better control and allow better leverage on chokes and other submissions.

As far as defending, long limbed guys tend to have an easier time "slipping" submissions. They tend to be able to rotate their shoulder to prevent their opponent from applying leverage while they switch position and escape.

SRock

08-11-2009, 03:26 AM

Sorry about that.

Title changed.

Great guy, that Tim!

The Nid Hog

08-11-2009, 04:22 AM

No hard feelings, but here in germany UFC 101 will not be aired before next month

You mean not until September? Wow--that means you won't get 101 until 102 has been seen here? That's brutal.

Maybe you can drown your sorrows in these UFC 101 and WEC 42 videos:

www.mmatko.com

JBLAZE725

08-11-2009, 05:58 AM

No doubt hes a striker at heart. But like a said, they don't give blackbelts in bjj to just anyone.

Speaking from my own humble training exp;erience(runing 17 years in martial arts, 10 of the mma approach, including wrestling, bjj, thai etc), limbs like silvas are a disadvantage on the ground

i.e. long legs suck if you're trying to put some one in a triangle, you simply cant close it tight enough. He doesn't have a heavy musculature so the problem is compounded.

Long limbs are eaiser to grab hold of, and easier to manipulate in comparison to short, stuby, limbs where the musculature more dense per unit area. opponents with short limbs are very hard to gain leverage on, think of it in the context of an arm bar, as its like fighting a ball of muscle, versus yanking on a crowbar. It can be done on the shorter one, but with considerably more effort. Also, the close into the opponents body the point you're trying to leverage, the more they can use "body english" to resist you. many joint manipulations involve geting the point of interest, isolated from the rest of the body using your own body.

They don't give BJJ black belts to anyone, but you have to remember it is subjective. Depending on who you train under the belt may be easier or harder to attain. Also don't forget he has fought some BJJ black belts and never been submitted including a recent win against Shogun. As far as the long limbs being a disadvantage, I think it goes both ways where they may help in some instances and may hurt in some instances, but overall I think they are an asset to a good ground game and make some moves easier to pull off. Also being able to body lock an opponent instead of just clasping your feet together while in guard or attempting a choke is extremely beneficial.

LessLemming

08-16-2009, 12:11 PM

You mean not until September? Wow--that means you won't get 101 until 102 has been seen here? That's brutal.

Actually UFC 101 aired yesterday, I was mistaken with september.
Even though I knew Griffin was gonna get it I enjoyed watching it very much.

If I ever thought a fight in the UFC was faked it was this one.
Amazing performance by Anderson, just like I anticipated.

Forrest did not see the final jab/cross coming!
You can see him trying to make that final step but goes limb,
he defenitely didn´t know where he was or what hit him.
It´s always the punches you don´t see that will put out your lights.
Not much force is needed to KO somebody,
as long as he can´t anticipate. That´s why counters are so effective
and straights often times lead to knockouts in boxing,
much more often than wild hooks.

Unfortunately there were other mismatched fights that night.
But I really liked the Sotiropoulos fight.
That was very skillful grappling right there

I just wanted to share =)

SRock

08-17-2009, 02:51 AM

If I ever thought a fight in the UFC was faked it was this one.

I never for a moment thought this was fake. Griffin was rocked a few times before he finally dropped. Having been rocked and having rocked more than one fighter I can tell you that you really have no idea just how bad/wobbly you really are. Griffin simply had his brains scrambled a little bit at a time until it was just too much. The smartest thing he could have done after having his eggs scrambled the first time would have been to try and get it to the ground and give himself time to recover.

I knew before this fight started that it was a bad match up. Silva is a phenomenal striker and Griffin rushes in like a raging bull. I suspected Silva would win, most likely by a KO but I didn't think it would be quite so quick.

LessLemming

08-17-2009, 06:38 AM

I wasn´t referring to the ko but much more to the fact that silva got hit clearly only one single time.
Griffin threw a lot of punches and everyone missed.
I mean, come on he was light heavyweight champion and can´t punch?

That was the moment I thought to myself:
How is that possible, this looks like choreography.
But we all know it was true. Silva was quick this day
and Griffin extremely slow.

Kratos

08-17-2009, 07:04 AM

The Nid Hog

08-17-2009, 02:13 PM

Besides, why in the world would you have Forrest throw the fight? Money is to be made when the favorite loses.

What the MMA hype machine does produce are fights that look to be much more even than they actually are. The promotion incessantly boosts the challenger, suggesting that every advantage held by the favorite is balanced by some ability of the underdog. So, even if you can check the disproportionate odds on a sports betting site, you'll hear the MMA pundits say that the fight is going to be close. This shouldn't come as any surprise, and it's good business for somebody like the UFC. After all, if they advertise "Anderson Silva's Bum of the Month Club," nobody is going to buy the PPV. The boosting continues on through the broadcasts because the announcers are also UFC flunkies, not independent sportscaster. If you know something about MMA, this isn't much of a problem; for the average fan, I think that it's easy to get caught up in the hype.

LessLemming

08-18-2009, 02:21 AM

Here in germany there is no such thing as a hype.
In fact if somebody speaks of sports you better not mention
"oh I like MMA" because you will have to answer to questions as
"Why? It´s so cruel! There are no rules! People get hurt! It´s barbaric"
... yeah, right, what do you like?
"well, I like pro wrestling..."
(true story -.- )

That´s why if a fight is shown in TV here all you get is:
"blabla, saturday night: UFC 101 with Anderson Silva, BJ Penn and Forest Griffin"
that´s it.

btw. I hope nobody thinks I wanted to say UFC was faked.
I just wanted to say I felt like "wow"