General Cycling Questions

[Brodirt]

I know you guys here have nothing to gain by what I purchase and I really appreciate all the help. The shop talked most highly of the Kestrel because of the components being ULTEGRA whatever that means to me, and the bike itself being carbon verses aluminum. Thoughts?

BTW I will look at the Giants too.

Specialized is great. They are very concerned with fit and comfort, but see below for more on this.

Ultegra is meaningless to you. It is the second highest (third if you count Ultegra SL) in Shimano's component line. This means is lighter weight, better materials, higher tolerances and, allegedly, longer lasting. In my experience though riders such as yourself do great with Tiagra, Sora or 105 (Shimano's lower groups) and you shouldn't concern yourself with component gruppo. Durability for a user at your level is pretty much the same regardless of the group, meaning that Ultegra and Dura-Ace (their top line) can withstand the beatings of pro racing, and with Shimano once their stuff breaks you throw it in the garbage. Its one of the reasons I dislike Shimano and only use Campagnolo. I can fix every component and replace almost every part in my Campy kit and can find parts decades old if I have too. You can't say that about Shimano. So save your money on components, buy a higher quality frame and fit and support system from a better shop and you will be ahead in the long run.


Wendy I purchased a Trek 1.5 this summer. I was looking at the 1.2 and the 1.5 and IMO there is a tremendous difference between the two. The 1.5 is much, much more comfortable. I highly recommend going with the 1.5 over the 1.2. It is well worth the difference.

Tim...what fits you best isn't what necessarily fits someone else best. I just checked out Trek's website...the 1.2 and the 1.5 have exactly the same geometry (meaning the frame is the same). The sole difference in sizing is the 1.2 has a higher angle stem, moving the handle bars a little up and a little closer to you and the 1.5 has a carbon fiber seat post. No other differences that one should feel from sitting on the bike.


The positive about the big bike brands (Specialized and Trek) is that you tend to get considerably higher components for your purchase dollars. They buy in such mass quantity that you could never build a bike for their sales price.

Actually...the opposite is true. The bigger the name bike company the lower the component you get for the money. This is because brands like Trek and Specialized have HUGE advertising budgets to support. The cost of Trek's support of three pro teams is passed on to you.

What you do get, aside from the big name associated with some guy who won a whole bunch of races, is all the R & D that pro racing trickles down to the consumer, and it is a lot. Specialized actually figured out that a more upright, more comfortable riding position, even for top pros, translates to more power over the course of an entire race. We all know most races are won at the end, so it was found to be better for a racer/rider, to be fresh and less fatigued at the end of the race rather than being in the most aero position for the entire race, or for any one given moment in the race. They took this philosophy across their entire product line and they, along with Cervelo (who still makes some pretty aggressive bikes though) have been pioneers in the weekend warrior race bike that is still comfortable enough to ride all day every day.

If you want value in your components, check out bikesdirect.com. Their model is that they buy up bankrupt storied old bike frame builder's just to have the name. They then produce bulk frames in China for pennies and buy higher end component groups in bulk to hang on these cheap frames. The components sell the bike in most cases and with direct sales and no advertising the profit margins are still very good.

For the right customer bikesdirect.com sells a great product. If you dont know exactly what you want, though, you could go incredibly wrong.

[Mysterion]

Well, this is a big subject, one I had to address frequently when I sold bikes, so here's my spiel:

Major bike companies all pick from the same parts bin; there are only so many parts from which to choose to hit a given retail price point--it's really not possible to put super-high end parts on a midline bike and still turn a profit. Smaller companies don't have to support huge advertising budgets, so they can offer a bit more for the money. More than anything, smaller companies aren't constrained by having to sell as many units--they can tailor their products for smaller niches within the market. Jamis, for instance, is a small, family-owned company. They offer great value for money, and they offer models that might not work for a huge and fairly conservative company like Trek, that has to sell far more units to stay afloat. Trek makes some really nice bikes, but they have to play it safe in their offerings. Also, things aren't always what they seem in the bike business; Giant, for instance, is a lesser-known brand name among consumers. However, they are one of the largest frame-manufacturing concerns in the world, producing frames for most of the competition. (That's why they chose the name Giant...)

Bike companies realized some time ago that most consumers just look at the rear derailleur, not the rest of the components, so many started putting a higher-end derailleur on a lower-end bike. For instance, it's not unusual these days to see a comparatively high-end Ultegra rear derailleur on a bike with mostly lower end parts. The manufacturer can then claim the bike is "Ultegra equipped," even though it lacks the better quality Ultegra brakes, hubs, etc.

To be honest, the most important parts of component choice are the most overlooked. The quality of bearing assemblies is really critical in how a bike rides over the long-haul. Many manufacturers will hide cheap stuff among the greasy bits that most consumers overlook--Cannondale, for instance, was long famous for putting the same $9 cartridge in the bottom bracket of their $2000 race bikes as they used in their $500 offerings. Not good, but most folks never knew the difference. Cheap hubs and headsets are another way to make a bike hit a lower price point, to the detriment of durability.

Wheels in general are a sticking point: Low spoke-count, ultra light wheels look great on the showroom floor, and make for a bike that feels really light when customers heft it in the shop, but some of them are really poorly engineered, with mediocre bearing quality, rims with lousy braking surfaces, and designs that overstress the spokes. Of course, many manufacturers make really nice, light wheels, but they're not always cheap. And yes, some cheap wheels are quite nice--but there's always a trade-off.

Try to get friendly with the mechanics at the shop (beer helps.) They frequently have a very different experience than the salespeople. They deal with stuff when it comes back with problems, not just when it leaves all bright and shiny. Remember that bikes come to bike shops in a box; the quality of the final assembly can have a huge impact on "how good a bike it is." Shops that sweat the details can make an entry-level bike perform well; shops that just slap 'em together can make a mess of a high-zoot machine. Little things like removing the bottom bracket cartridge and putting teflon tape on the threads can make a huge difference, but many shops don't bother. For this reason, I'm always a bit reluctant to recommend mail-order bikes to folks who lack experience, and a well-equipped home shop.

As others have said: First, make sure the bike fits properly. Then decide if it appeals on other levels--if it makes you want to get on and ride, for whatever reason. Compare it to other bikes in your range. Finally, make sure you're comfortable with the shop. If you're not, it can really turn you off the whole experience. Then get out there and ride!

[Wendy]

I misspoke the Kestrel does have Dura-Ace components. I currently do not ride more than 150 miles per week, I hope to add more but right now with little ones time is an issue. The gentlemen at the LBS said if price was not an issue that the Dura-Ace components were best.

Here is the deal on the Kestrel. The shop does not currently carry this band but will be soon. They have to do a buy in and they are buyng a lot of 10 of these exact bikes and are selling at $1900. I found online around $2700 except bikesdirect.com was about $2200.

I will try to make a trip this week to check out the Giants at another shop. I will put my final 4 with asking prices to see what everyone thinks, that is if they all feel just as comfortable.

[Mejnoon]

What's your budget?

Hadn't really thought about it...will $500 get me something decent?

[Brodirt]

Hadn't really thought about it...will $500 get me something decent?

My brother in law is on an $800 budget and there are some pretty decent bikes in there. I didn't look at the lower prices but $500 is pretty low. Its closeout time of year though, so its a good time to try and strike a deal. I'm not sure you're gonna get something good at that price point. Check out bikesdirect.com and see if anything there looks good to you.

[Wendy]

My brother is looking to buy also in the price range of $1200-$1500. He can build a bike so bikesdirect.com is an option, He has looked at the
2010 Motobecane Le Champion CF Rival any thoughts on this? We looked at some Bianchi bikes today. I am hoping to get end of season deals myself.

[Brodirt]

My brother is looking to buy also in the price range of $1200-$1500. He can build a bike so bikesdirect.com is an option, He has looked at the
2010 Motobecane Le Champion CF Rival any thoughts on this? We looked at some Bianchi bikes today. I am hoping to get end of season deals myself.

The bike assembly is really a joke. Its simple and anyone with a bit of mechanical sense can get it straight. You can manage it all with a set of allen wrenches and thread prep. A carbon bike changes things a bit because the cost of failure on torquing a bolt on a carbon frame is the frame, not the bolt, so a torque wrench helps too.

If he knows his size the Motobecane Le Champion looks like a great bike. It's aluminum so the tech is low and the welds, from China, will be...ehm....in-elegant, I don't love the wheels but they are a quality brand, and the Rival group is a bit clunky (but still better than Shimano 105, just not as good as Campy Centaur, or Athena for 2010) with the weakness being the crankset and bottom bracket, but otherwise for that money its a great deal.

[Wendy]

Thanks for your input. He and I are both impulse buyers and have had a little trouble staying out of the stores. I am waiting until I walk into a store that has a bike that says Wendy on it before I jump. Or maybe a good sale will get me :biggrin:

[Mejnoon]

My brother in law is on an $800 budget and there are some pretty decent bikes in there. I didn't look at the lower prices but $500 is pretty low. Its closeout time of year though, so its a good time to try and strike a deal. I'm not sure you're gonna get something good at that price point. Check out bikesdirect.com and see if anything there looks good to you.

I stopped by a couple of shops today. At the first, the salesman looked me over briefly and told me I needed a 54cm bike. At the second, the salesman insisted I needed a $45 fitting (credited towards the purchase of a bike of course).

Can I determine the appropriate size by measuring myself? I'm 5'9", ~155lbs, but I have very long arms relative to my height...does 54cm sound about right? Is "about right" close enough, or do I really need a proper fitting?

Thanks,

Chris

[perry]

Bought my shoes (Pearl Izumi X-Alp Seek) and pedals (Crank Brothers Candy SL) tonight, after the test ride on Tuesday. No falls tonight. I'm amazed at the difference. My legs are already sore from using more of the previously unused muscles! I probably have another fall or two in me, but I wasn't quite as unsure of myself this time. This weekend is looking busy, hope I can find time to try a 30 mile ride!

[Brodirt]

I stopped by a couple of shops today. At the first, the salesman looked me over briefly and told me I needed a 54cm bike. At the second, the salesman insisted I needed a $45 fitting (credited towards the purchase of a bike of course).

Can I determine the appropriate size by measuring myself? I'm 5'9", ~155lbs, but I have very long arms relative to my height...does 54cm sound about right? Is "about right" close enough, or do I really need a proper fitting?

Thanks,

Chris

Stay away from the shop that starts the sale with a fit pitch. The right fit comes with the bike. Its like buying shoes, they better sell you a pair that fits as part of the price.

Its hard to pick sizes out by height. You could be a 56 or a 58. My brother in law at 5'7" is between a 52 and 54. A lot depends on your leg length.

[Wendy]

I stopped by a couple of shops today. At the first, the salesman looked me over briefly and told me I needed a 54cm bike. At the second, the salesman insisted I needed a $45 fitting (credited towards the purchase of a bike of course).

Can I determine the appropriate size by measuring myself? I'm 5'9", ~155lbs, but I have very long arms relative to my height...does 54cm sound about right? Is "about right" close enough, or do I really need a proper fitting?

Thanks,

Chris

I would be all over a $45 fitting. I went to one of 5 certified bike fitters in Mo yesterday and he is outrageous. He said to do it properly (if I wanted a bike built to my specifications) it would be a 3-5 hour process. I am sure this is overkill but he is selling pretty high end stuff. Cheapest bike started at $1700.
I do not know much about biking but I know the perfect fit makes a huge difference. I did not know that until I purchased my last bike. I wanted a much larger bike but they pushed the smaller and I am so much more comfortable than in the past. Plus I fit on 52-54 in Trek and a 55 in Bianchi. I do want to clarify this was not a sales pitch on his part it was jsut casual conversation after he spent 45 minutes explaining all of the different components that come on most bikes many that he does not even carry. This shop owner seems to actually care about people being knowledgable.

[Brodirt]

I would be all over a $45 fitting. I went to one of 5 certified bike fitters in Mo yesterday and he is outrageous. He said to do it properly (if I wanted a bike built to my specifications) it would be a 3-5 hour process. I am sure this is overkill but he is selling pretty high end stuff. Cheapest bike started at $1700.
I do not know much about biking but I know the perfect fit makes a huge difference. I did not know that until I purchased my last bike. I wanted a much larger bike but they pushed the smaller and I am so much more comfortable than in the past. Plus I fit on 52-54 in Trek and a 55 in Bianchi. I do want to clarify this was not a sales pitch on his part it was jsut casual conversation after he spent 45 minutes explaining all of the different components that come on most bikes many that he does not even carry. This shop owner seems to actually care about people being knowledgable.


Sue...you're comparing apples and oranges. A bike shop fit is very basic and is used to help make a sale when the shop wants you to feel like they are doing something for you that no one else can or will. Most shops will measure you up within the limits of the adjustability of your bike purchase, thus the higher the price the more the adjustability of the bike and the more measurements. Most sales come with a basic measurement to make sure that there is nothing totally odd about your body that would make the off the rack a poor choice.

Next is a pro-fit of a bike you already have. This is where you take your bike to a bike fitter and he adjusts your seat height, tilt and setback; handlebar height; lever height and/or angle; and sets your cleats in the best place for you. This will also turn up anything wrong in what you bought and are riding...things like the wrong stem length, handle bar width, or seat size/shape. This costs between $150-$300 and can go higher in some real high end shops that use video analysis of your position. You can take this to the nth degree with your time trial bike when you do all of this in combination with a wind tunnel test where they check your coeffecient of drag and power output in each position trying to set you in the most aero position where you can still produce power. The programs they use to do this measure the outcome in seconds saved per hour! Wind tunnel testing is 400-750 an hour just for the use of the tunnel...then you gotta bring in the fitter too!

Finally you have the custom bike builder. These folks measure your body minutely and precisely not leaving an angle or joint left alone. They then interview you to ascertain the type of rider you are and what you are seeking in a custom bike and how you ride. They will apply their craft to produce you a truly hand built, custom tailored bicycle that those who own them describe as the greatest thing short of air. Obviously the service is part of the cost of the bike and they can cost as little as $3000 for the frame to as high as $10000. Guys like Richard Sachs have waiting lists years and years long. Richard makes some truly spectacular bikes that are considered amongst the greatest in the world.
http://www.richardsachs.com/nuovorichiegallery/pages/NR-FullSide.htmlhttp://www.richardsachs.com/nuovorichiegallery/images/NR-FullSide.jpg

Custom bikes are frequently reserved for those who truly have a physical anomaly that cant otherwise be overcome, or who are well heeled and want one. I personally don't see the need. I am fittable and find a value added by riding a bike with a storied racing history.

[TimmyBoston]

I stopped by a couple of shops today. At the first, the salesman looked me over briefly and told me I needed a 54cm bike. At the second, the salesman insisted I needed a $45 fitting (credited towards the purchase of a bike of course).

Can I determine the appropriate size by measuring myself? I'm 5'9", ~155lbs, but I have very long arms relative to my height...does 54cm sound about right? Is "about right" close enough, or do I really need a proper fitting?

Thanks,

Chris

I have no idea if I'm truly on the right sized bike, but I'm a 54 cm, I'm around 5'9" and my wingspan is over 6 feet. I'm pretty happy with the size of my bike.

[Mojo88]

The shop I bought my bike from is owned and operated by one person. He takes the time to ask questions and is extremely focused on getting you the proper bike and proper fit. He is "The Guy" who other shops turn to when they want their personal bikes tuned. It's not a glamorous shop with all the bells and whistles,but he knows how to put a bike together correctly.

I was in the other day when a potential customer came in and the owner started asking questions. I could tell the guy wanted a bike and wanted it now. He thought he was going to go in and get the bike at that moment and take it with him. I stood and watched for a few minutes as the owner patiently explained that he was a one man shop and it would be a few days for him to get a bike ready. I don't know the outcome ,but I would imagine he didn't wait and went to one of the chain stores to purchase a bike.

I would rather wait a couple days and get the bike sized and assembled correctly, than have to take it back numerous time to have adjustments made. I learned the hard way several years ago when we bought a bike from a chain store that had the wrong fit for my wife.

[gearguywb]

I rode for several years on "off the shelf bikes" that I thought fit. One day I thought "what the heck" and spent $150 on a fitting....best money ever spent! If you think about the number of years that you will ride a bike the cost of the fitting is so minimal, less than a high end pair of shoes (that will need to be replaced). Fit, especially on a road bike is so important, nope let me rephrase that, it is THE most important thing. You ride better, are more comfortable, can put more power to the pedals, all by achieving the correct fit.

[Wendy]

I have no idea if I'm truly on the right sized bike, but I'm a 54 cm, I'm around 5'9" and my wingspan is over 6 feet. I'm pretty happy with the size of my bike.

Funny how that works huh? They sized me up for that same Trek you are riding at 5'7" and put me on 54cm also.

[Brodirt]

Funny how that works huh? They sized me up for that same Trek you are riding at 5'7" and put me on 54cm also.

Not really. About 10-12 years ago the bike companies learned that if you made a sloping tope tube frame like this (I noticed that this is a seat mast bike, rather than a seat post bike, so that lends some different considerations to the equation as I wrote below, but seat mast bikes are almost exclusively on the top 1 or 2 models in a bike makers line so the considerations and customer are very different).

http://www.giant-bicycles.com/images/technologies/year2009/frame_compactroad.png

rather than a flat top tube bike, like this

http://www.bikely.com/i/T/Trek-2006-Trek-Madone-SSL-6.9-.1F.jpg

that they could produce less frame sizes and fit the same amount of people. In some circumstances the fit was actually better with what was now called "compact geometry." What they did was to make up the difference in ride height with seat post length.

The practice for most of the time thereafter was to sell frames in sizes xs, s, m, lg, xl. Some companies even skipped the xs altogether, and some still do, but only in the women's specific frames.

Only recently have they returned to stressing the number system, but the fact is that they are not producing a frame at every 2cm as they used to. Trek does still, and that is very admirable on their part in trying to help the consumer. None the less, with the sloping top tube on all off the shelf bikes each bike fits a much wider range of riders, and in your smaller shops they are less likely to carry multiples of each size and if you are adamant about buying an in stock unit, you might wind up on a bike not ideally suited to you.

[Mejnoon]

I have no idea if I'm truly on the right sized bike, but I'm a 54 cm, I'm around 5'9" and my wingspan is over 6 feet. I'm pretty happy with the size of my bike.

:cool:

Another question...whats the difference between a triathalon bike and a standard road bike? Is the difference big enough that I should avoid triathalon bikes for general riding?

I checked craigslist today and there are a couple of interesting bikes in my area. One is a 2003 Kintana Roo Kilo (asking $500), and the other is a Kestrel Talon (2003 frame with 2007 components, asking $1k). Are these worth looking at? I read that some people have had problems with the Kestrel cracking at the seat tube and apparently Fuji no longer honors the warranty, so thats a little concerning.

Thanks for all of the advice thus far!

Chris

[gearguywb]

The virtual top tube measurement is far more important than the traditional seat tube measurement. Seat tube measuring gives very misleading information because (as others have said) the potential for slope, and that slope can be anywhere from 2-7 degrees.

The big difference in a TT bike vs a road bike will be the geometry. Typically TT bikes use a steep seat and head tube allowing the rider to sit more "forward" on the bike and have more weight over the front wheel. TT bikes are great for what they are designed for but I would not try to use one as my main road ride.

[Mysterion]

:cool:

Another question...whats the difference between a triathalon bike and a standard road bike? Is the difference big enough that I should avoid triathalon bikes for general riding?

I checked craigslist today and there are a couple of interesting bikes in my area. One is a 2003 Kintana Roo Kilo (asking $500), and the other is a Kestrel Talon (2003 frame with 2007 components, asking $1k). Are these worth looking at? I read that some people have had problems with the Kestrel cracking at the seat tube and apparently Fuji no longer honors the warranty, so thats a little concerning.

Thanks for all of the advice thus far!

Chris
Historically, Kestrel has had problems with frame breakage; earlier (mid-late 90s,) bikes had well-known issues, particularly at the bottom bracket. One rider I know broke three in a row--all covered under warranty. That said, I've no idea of the situation with more recent production, though internet chatter suggests that Kestrels still have durability issues.

A true, dedicated tri bike isn't really a great solution for road riding. In addition to a handlebar set-up that isn't suitable, the frame angles will be far too aggressive.

[Mysterion]

...I went to one of 5 certified bike fitters in Mo yesterday and he is outrageous. He said to do it properly (if I wanted a bike built to my specifications) it would be a 3-5 hour process...
Was he including a facial and a mani/pedi in that time estimate? I'm certified in more than one fitting protocol, and have done many for full custom frames. None of them took anywhere near that long.

[Wendy]

Was he including a facial and a mani/pedi in that time estimate? I'm certified in more than one fitting protocol, and have done many for full custom frames. None of them took anywhere near that long.

I figured he had to be doing much more lip service than anything else for that amount of time. I did not question him do to my lack of knowledge. He had his machine that looked like a real bike and I just figured he keeps people on it a little longer than necessary to pay for the machine. His explanation was that he customer orders about 80% of the bikes that go out of the store.

On a side note this guy was so much more helpful than any other shop. I can actually go in a shop now and I know what they are talking about when it comes to 105, Ultegra etc. No other shop has actually taken the time to really help me.

[Brodirt]

:cool:

Another question...whats the difference between a triathalon bike and a standard road bike? Is the difference big enough that I should avoid triathalon bikes for general riding?

I checked craigslist today and there are a couple of interesting bikes in my area. One is a 2003 Kintana Roo Kilo (asking $500), and the other is a Kestrel Talon (2003 frame with 2007 components, asking $1k). Are these worth looking at? I read that some people have had problems with the Kestrel cracking at the seat tube and apparently Fuji no longer honors the warranty, so thats a little concerning.

Thanks for all of the advice thus far!

Chris

Below is the correct general answer, it doesn't need much more explanation.


The virtual top tube measurement is far more important than the traditional seat tube measurement. Seat tube measuring gives very misleading information because (as others have said) the potential for slope, and that slope can be anywhere from 2-7 degrees.

The big difference in a TT bike vs a road bike will be the geometry. Typically TT bikes use a steep seat and head tube allowing the rider to sit more "forward" on the bike and have more weight over the front wheel. TT bikes are great for what they are designed for but I would not try to use one as my main road ride.

More explanation, however, might be useful to you. The purpose of a "triathlon" bike, and a "triathlon" bike is almost, and usually completely identical to a time trial bike, is to move you forward (as described above) and lower.

The purpose of this however is not clarified above. The goal in moving you forward and lower is not only to put you in a more aerodynamic position, as it does, but is to rotate your hips forward and move your body higher over the bottom bracket of the bike. Aside from being very aerodynamic, and thus saving a ton of energy (or allowing you to go faster for the same amount of energy output), is to "save" your quadriceps muscles for the run. This, though, is the great balancing act...more aero vs more power vs saving muscles. Throw into the mix that on flat, out and back, type courses you can afford to be as aero as possible, but on a more technical course, that requires you getting out of the saddle to climb, or lots of braking and turning, being in the most aero position isn't likely ideal.

Then you throw into the mix a time trial bike and/or position where you don't care about saving your quads for the run. This tends to put you a tiny bit further back and lower than the triathlon position, but again may be dependent on the type of course. Time trials tend to be on more road type courses than do triathlons.

This, as you can see, is a very technical topic. Suffice it to say the best advice is that you wouldn't want to be riding a triathlon bike as your daily ride or only bike. I rarely use my time trial bike on the open road. I usually only ride it on a 3.5 mile loop inside a local state university with HUGE shoulders and little traffic. Its only a 5 mile ride from my house and I almost always drive the TT bike up to the college when I am riding it. I cannot recommend, regardless of price, a triathlon bike as a daily ride. Its just not safe.

[TimmyBoston]

I adjusted my seat this morning and raised it about 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch, but after my ride today my knees are absolutely killing me. Will having a seat on the high side cause knee pain?


I'm going to lower it, regardless, but I want to know what our experts here think of this phenomenon.

[Brodirt]

I adjusted my seat this morning and raised it about 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch, but after my ride today my knees are absolutely killing me. Will having a seat on the high side cause knee pain?


I'm going to lower it, regardless, but I want to know what our experts here think of this phenomenon.

Absolutely!!!! Where is the pain, in the rear of your knee in the soft area?

[Labarum]

http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/fitting.htm

http://www.cobr.co.uk/e-cobr_information/t_and_r_section/sections/terminilogy_technique/6_tips_for_fit.shtml

http://sheldonbrown.com/beginners/index.html

[TimmyBoston]

Absolutely!!!! Where is the pain, in the rear of your knee in the soft area?

I figured so. Thank goodness through all my years of football I escaped without any knee injuries so knee pain is relatively new to me. I think I was hyperextending the joint a bit (just a bit) with every pedal stroke, but after 50 miles it was really hurting. I lowered it back down and did another few slow miles tonight and I felt much better right now I feel fine. (Knock on wood.)

[Mejnoon]

Thanks to everyone for answering my noobie questions:cool:

After visiting a few shops and doing a lot of googling, I'm considering a single speed commuter type bike. I think for the kind of riding I'm anticipating (around town, relatively level, relatively short distance) and purpose (fitness), a single speed might be ideal. I've looked at the Specialized Langster ($800) as well as the SE Lager ($550) and I think I would be happy with either.

What are your thoughts on single speed bikes? Anybody have experience with the particular models I mentioned?

[Rughi]

I figured so. Thank goodness through all my years of football I escaped without any knee injuries so knee pain is relatively new to me. I think I was hyperextending the joint a bit (just a bit) with every pedal stroke, but after 50 miles it was really hurting. I lowered it back down and did another few slow miles tonight and I felt much better right now I feel fine. (Knock on wood.)

A classic telltale sign that your saddle is too high is when your hips start to rock side to side with your pedal stroke. This is often easier for your riding buddies to see than for you to spot yourself.

It sounds like you're now in micro-adjustments, where even different shoes or pedal systems might mean a bit of height adjustment, so you're almost there.

Roger

[gearguywb]

Along with hip rocking you also need to pay attention to your foot lift on the pedal. You will see a wide variation of this on different cyclists. Ride next to someone and look at their heel when the pedal goes through the 6 o'clock position. You will see a lot of cyclists riding with their heel very high in relation to the pedal location. This does a couple of things, it places more work on your quads (which then tire sooner), and it can dramatically effect your saddle height. The optimum is to have your foot flat, or very close to it, when you go through the bottom of the pedal stroke.

[Mojo88]

My son and I went for a ride tonight and it finally happened . We were going about 18 mph and out of the corner of my eye I could see a dog coming for us. I thought at the last minute he would stop,but no such luck. He went for my tire and luckily for me I caught his shoulder with my pedal on the down-stroke, fortunately I ride clip-less and it didn't throw me off . I was able to hold on and not loose my balance,and he ran away yipping. I don't know where he went as he took off in a field ,but hopefully he learned a lesson.

[SRock]

My son and I went for a ride tonight and it finally happened . We were going about 18 mph and out of the corner of my eye I could see a dog coming for us. I thought at the last minute he would stop,but no such luck. He went for my tire and luckily for me I caught his shoulder with my pedal on the down-stroke, fortunately I ride clip-less and it didn't throw me off . I was able to hold on and not loose my balance,and he ran away yipping. I don't know where he went as he took off in a field ,but hopefully he learned a lesson.

Glad to hear both you are your son are unscathed. It is unfortunate. That dog may have been injured. Truth be told it is likely the owners fault but I can't help but feel bad for the K9.

[gearguywb]

Glad to hear you came out of the incident ok. I have seen more bad wrecks because of dogs than I care to count.

Too many times I have seen a dog chase after riders and the owner stands there watching and does nothing about it.

[TimmyBoston]

Glad to hear both you are your son are unscathed. It is unfortunate. That dog may have been injured. Truth be told it is likely the owners fault but I can't help but feel bad for the K9.

That's the way I feel, I can't ever get mad at a dog, no matter what. Now a person, that's a whole other story.

[TimmyBoston]

Any advice on fall and winter weather cycling gear?

[Live2Ride]

Any advice on fall and winter weather cycling gear?

What is this "fall and winter weather" you write about?

[Rughi]

Any advice on fall and winter weather cycling gear?

In my area, fall is when it heats up after summer has ended in the Central Valley, and winter is when it feels like our cold summer again, except rainy.

Seasons are a bit screwy in the Bay Area.

Roger

[TimmyBoston]

What is this "fall and winter weather" you write about?

Ummm, cold weather. For my area, it will start dropping into the 50s soon and will be in the teens and 20s much of the winter and a good portion of that we are unlikely to have snow, so I'd like to keep riding. I don't want to gain back all the weight I've lost this summer.

[Mojo88]

Any advice on fall and winter weather cycling gear?

Pearl Izumi and Specialized make great gear for the colder months. The sizes tend to run a little small so trying them on is essential. My son bought some gear on-line and ended up returning it,as it was smaller than expected. Layering with wicking material is the way to go as you heat up quickly even in cold temperatures. The LBS also has foot gear to protect your feet when it really gets cold.I also like Under Armour when it's not too cold, the cold gear works well and is reasonably priced.
I live in northern Ohio and on Jan.1st the local club has a 20 mile ride,I don't remember the temperature this past year ,but it was too cold for me.:eek:

[Labarum]

I have just Googled "Wiggle" as an idle way to get to my favourite online bicycle shop.

http://www.wiggle.co.uk

But what's this?

http://www.wiggle.org.uk/

Bellydancing!!!

Now that I won't be doing.

[gearguywb]

Craft is another company to take a good look at for cold weather riding gear. I have had great luck with a wicking undershirt, merino wool mid weight jersey (long sleeve) and a windproof jacket that also has the option of removing the sleeves. For the lower half it is a matter of how cold do your legs get wihile working? Many times I can get by with a set of knee warmers and shoe covers. My SO legs get much colder and she prefers tights, in varying thickness depending on the temp.

[perry]

Recommendations for lighting? At the very least, I'm going to start participating in a Saturday night dinner ride that will keep me on the city streets after dark. I just have a single LED front light and 3 LED rear light right now. The rear should be ok for getting me seen, but the front one won't let me see. I've done some reading on BF, wanna see what you guys think too.

Sierra Trading Post is good for cycling stuff and they have some cooler weather stuff right now. I bought a wind breaker there the other day. Sign up for their mailing list to get coupons and deals -- don't buy without!

[TimmyBoston]

A couple days ago, I put the original saddle that came with my bike back on it. It's a very small, very thin road saddle. I don't know if it's coincidence, but I have been riding much faster. My average speed has increased a mile or two and hour and my top speed has gone up 4 or 5 mph. Can a saddle really make that much difference?

[Labarum]

Well it can't save you that much weight, but if it's so uncomfortable you spend more time standing on the pedals you could be putting more effort in.

Or does the jabbing pain it delivers to your delicate parts send you into warp drive? :biggrin:

[AngelWolf]

A couple days ago, I put the original saddle that came with my bike back on it. It's a very small, very thin road saddle. I don't know if it's coincidence, but I have been riding much faster. My average speed has increased a mile or two and hour and my top speed has gone up 4 or 5 mph. Can a saddle really make that much difference?

Sometimes when you put a new saddle on your bike, it adjusts the way you sit on the bike, so you're using less power to stay on the saddle and more in pedaling. Having a maladjusted saddle can pull quite a bit from your speed. It also affects your posture, so you may be more inclined to lean forward, decreasing wind drag.

[Brodirt]

A couple days ago, I put the original saddle that came with my bike back on it. It's a very small, very thin road saddle. I don't know if it's coincidence, but I have been riding much faster. My average speed has increased a mile or two and hour and my top speed has gone up 4 or 5 mph. Can a saddle really make that much difference?

Yes, and no. The difference is only that it is likely allowing you a better more natural pedaling motion. I recall posting somewhere here about the far greater efficiency of a minimalist saddle vs. a padded one. If you did not adjust your seat post height you are likely lower...a big change. You may have changed your fore and aft position which can also be a big change. As big as those, and regardless of position, a minimalist saddle provides a much more stable base from which to pedal and this is HUGE! Think about it like this...you are pushing a piano by yourself and you can choose a solid wood floor or a gym mat from which to anchor your feet. Which would likely yield more power transferred to the pushing motion? Furthermore, a narrower saddle might allow/cause your hip/knee/ankle alignment to move inward into a more natural motion allowing you to push more directly downward on your pedals. This is also huge.

[Mejnoon]

I wanted to post an update for everyone who gave me advice on buying a bike...

Turns out my dad had a pretty nice old lugged steel Bianchi in his garage that had fallen in to disrepair. Very few of the components are worth keeping but the frame is straight, and seemed to be about the right size and geometry for my purposes.

I took it apart and had the frame and fork sandblasted last week. I'm planning to build it as a single speed/fixed gear with a flip flop hub...it had vertical drop outs, but I was able to find a set of campy horizontal drop outs on ebay and I dropped the frame off to have them brazed on yesterday. I've started to accumulate the necessary components, and I hope to be out riding within 2 weeks!

Thanks again to everyone for all the advice...I'm very excited about this and I can't wait to get on the road. I'll post pics when the bike is all put together.

[kongjie]

Recommendations for lighting? At the very least, I'm going to start participating in a Saturday night dinner ride that will keep me on the city streets after dark. I just have a single LED front light and 3 LED rear light right now. The rear should be ok for getting me seen, but the front one won't let me see. I've done some reading on BF, wanna see what you guys think too.

I'm not necessarily recommending Serfas above all others, but they have a nice page on their web site comparing their different models. (http://www.serfas.com/picklight.asp) It's easier to differentiate the ones to make you visible as opposed to the ones that let you see the road ahead.

[Mojo88]

Tonight we went for a walk on the MUP by our house. It is a 3.1mile path that is fairly congested in the evenings. We always walk to the far right as to allow traffic (joggers, casual bikers, etc.) to pass. Most of the time it is a pleasant walk, today was the exception, a biker was hammering, probably 15 mph on the path, no helmet and worst of all he had a child seat on the back with his daughter. This is the kind of thing that confuses me, if you want to ride like that leave the kid at home and get on the street with proper gear(helmet). It's guys like this that give bikers a bad name. I told my wife that I hoped a dog would not come across and flip them both.


Think Super Troopers: "Ahhhhh biker. Im an idiot."

Seriously though, try walking, cycling or driving in Japan. Bicyclists drive wherever whenever with no assemblance of order. With traffic, against traffic, on road, off road, on the sidewalk, back and forth crossing with traffic lights, crossing at crosswalks its a catastrophe. The thing that freaks me out the most is the Japanese will ride their bike in and out of traffic (going the direction of traffic) w/out ever looking back to see if there are any cars coming.

[airplanedoc]

Put in 21 Miles this afternoon, Furthest I have gone in a while due to lack of long haul local trails. Even got a bit of a sunburn on my shoulders and arms, guess I got my Vitimin D as well.

[TimmyBoston]

I picked up this bike computer for a song the other day on bonktown

http://www.backcountryoutlet.com/outlet/CCL0003/Ciclosport-CM-215A-Bike-Computer.html

It arrived today and I am having a heck of a time trying to install. I have a road bike with a wide fork, very close to the spokes for better aerodynamics but it makes it damn near impossible to install the sensor for the bike computer. Any advice on how to get it working? The other roadies I see always have bike computers so I know it's possible to install one on a road bike, but I can't get the dang thing to pick up a signal even when it's so close it's hitting the magnetic sensor.

[Brodirt]

I picked up this bike computer for a song the other day on bonktown

http://www.backcountryoutlet.com/outlet/CCL0003/Ciclosport-CM-215A-Bike-Computer.html

It arrived today and I am having a heck of a time trying to install. I have a road bike with a wide fork, very close to the spokes for better aerodynamics but it makes it damn near impossible to install the sensor for the bike computer. Any advice on how to get it working? The other roadies I see always have bike computers so I know it's possible to install one on a road bike, but I can't get the dang thing to pick up a signal even when it's so close it's hitting the magnetic sensor.

I dont understand you description in re your fork/wheel combo...tolerances are pretty standard across the board with all front wheels being identical, all font fork spreads as well, and all brake calipers too. Are you running a very wide tire, above 25cm? What bike do you have?

I have used Ciclosport computers in the past and they are quite good, but the interpretation of the instructions is quite difficult.

Where is your problem?

[Mysterion]

First you need to establish that the sensor actually sees the magnet on the wheel. This is easy; remove the magnet from the spokes, and wave it back and forth quickly in front of the sensor, in the plane of the spoke, very close to the sensor--you're simulating the cyclical movement of the magnet past the sensor as the wheel turns. The head unit should produce a speed reading; if it doesn't, your problem isn't with magnet placement. Are all your connections tight? Contacts clean? Is the battery fully charged? Could it just be defective?

If it does give a speed reading, you know that you need to jigger the locations of your magnet and the sensor on the fork. Two suggestions; if the sensor attaches with zip ties, it may be possible to substitute longer units. Really, it's probably best to just change the magnet. The computer doesn't care if you use the magnet it came with; most bike shops should be able to supply a simple magnet that attaches to a single spoke (rather than at the junction of two spokes, as many supplied units require.) This gives you much more flexibility in sensor placement, making it easier to move the sensor to a narrower part of the fork. If you've got bladed spokes, make sure the magnet is compatible.

[TimmyBoston]

I tested the speedometer and it does work. But I can't get the dang thing mounted.

Brodirt, the fork isn't unusual, but it's very tight to the spokes, like I assume all road bikes are (mine is the only road bike I've ever been around) I can't fit the sensor on the inside of the magnet without it hitting the spokes. Do you guys have to mount the sensors on the sides of the fork? If this still doesn't make sense, I can take some pictures.

Also Brodirt, did your ciclosport's have an auto-shutoff?

[airplanedoc]

I have a mountain bike, but my sensor is mounted to the front fork with tie straps and oriented on the rear of the fork, not between the fork and spokes.

[Brodirt]

I tested the speedometer and it does work. But I can't get the dang thing mounted.

Brodirt, the fork isn't unusual, but it's very tight to the spokes, like I assume all road bikes are (mine is the only road bike I've ever been around) I can't fit the sensor on the inside of the magnet without it hitting the spokes. Do you guys have to mount the sensors on the sides of the fork? If this still doesn't make sense, I can take some pictures.

Also Brodirt, did your ciclosport's have an auto-shutoff?

I don't recall if it had auto-shutoff.

Sensor goes on front or trailing edge of fork, like this. The picture is front edge but I prefer trailing, and if you look at the pros they do as well, its the same anyway:
http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/photos/tech/vdomc1-sensor.jpg

[Wendy]

Considering buying my hubby a bike for Christmas. The LBS has a buy one get one half off. The stipulation to the sale is the bike can not be ordered and must be on the floor. My hubby is 5'10 and rides a 20in mountain bike which looks a little too big but he likes it, been riding it 5 years.
Now for a road bike I take about a 55 at 5'7 depending on brand of bike. I am looking at Specialized. I have to ride a 56 in womens or 54 in mens. With that being said my husband is always on a bike one size larger. Am I taking too big of a chance pulling the trigger on a mens 56 for him?
Also any opinions on the Specialized Tarmac Elite? I believe it was the compact.

[Labarum]

Considering buying my hubby a bike for Christmas.

O dear. Does size matter? I am afraid it does. What size do I need? Difficult!

http://sheldonbrown.com/frame-sizing.html

Is a good staring point. The bike can be very obviously the wrong size, but getting the size right for the taste and the style of a particular rider is a very particular issue.

Which is no help at all!

[Wendy]

He would not know the difference between a $700 or $2000 road bike. I am curious how much the size could really be off. My brothers 58 is too big and my bike is too small for him so I just went right in the middle. I figure there is handle bar and seat adjustments that would have to be made specific to him. I honestly think he just wants a bike to have one. He will not be an everyday rider by any means.

[Mysterion]

...Am I taking too big of a chance pulling the trigger on a mens 56 for him?...
Yes. Proper fit is everything, and this is too big a purchase to leave to chance and dead reckoning. It sounds as if your LBS is trying really hard to drum up some business during a tough time, trying to get rid of some stale inventory. That's understandable. But if it's "all sales final," then it isn't worth taking the chance. I've fit thousands of bikes, and sold quite a few gift bikes. Every shop in which I ever worked would make an exchange on a gift bike, because sizing is so individual.

All that said, if you really want to take the chance...In the roughest possible terms, someone who properly fits a 20" mountain bike will probably ride a 56 cm road bike. At 5'10", that's on the higher end of sizing--it sounds as if you're correct thinking that your husband's mountain bike is a bit big. I'm 5'10", and I ride a 54, or an 18" MTB, but I have pretty short legs for my height.

Getting a good fit on a bike is pretty individual--it's like buying shoes, or clothing, so it's hard to do it for someone else. Riding a bike that doesn't fit quite right is like running in uncomfortable shoes--you can do it, but probably not as well as you would if the fit was spot on. Great, awesome present--but see if the shop will work out an exchange if it's not quite right.

As suggested Sheldon Brown's article on sizing is a good place to start. When in doubt, turn to Sheldon...

[Wingnut]

Considering buying my hubby a bike for Christmas. The LBS has a buy one get one half off. The stipulation to the sale is the bike can not be ordered and must be on the floor. My hubby is 5'10 and rides a 20in mountain bike which looks a little too big but he likes it, been riding it 5 years.
Now for a road bike I take about a 55 at 5'7 depending on brand of bike. I am looking at Specialized. I have to ride a 56 in womens or 54 in mens. With that being said my husband is always on a bike one size larger. Am I taking too big of a chance pulling the trigger on a mens 56 for him?
Also any opinions on the Specialized Tarmac Elite? I believe it was the compact.

Hi Wendy!

This is all coming from an old-school bike mechanic/shop employee who hasn't done much riding in the last 15 years, so take it for what it's worth...

I'm 5' 11", with a 32" inseam, and when I bought my last frame (a Cinelli back in the early 80's) I got a 59 cm. I did that based on getting Fit Kitted (very precisely measured for size) when I worked at the bike shop. It has been a great fit for me.

From what you said about your husband, I'd guess a 57 or 58 cm frame might be a better fit (assuming standard geometry - all bets are off if you're thinking about a sloping top tube). Most frames can be somewhat tweaked with saddle and handlebar stem adjustments, but it'd sure be nice if it fit well right off the floor.

I can't help but think that somewhere out on the internet, there's a frame sizing program that you can plug in some basic measurements (height, inseam, sleeve length) and it would come out with recommendations on a "best fit" frame size (both seat tube and top tube) for you. Remember that, while a seat tube measurement is critical, two bikes of the same "size" may have radically different top tube and handlebar stem measurements, giving very different "cockpit" sizes. Good luck!

[Wendy]

I guess I should somehow get his arm length. I know height and inseam but not arms : )

[azmark]

I guess I should somehow get his arm length. I know height and inseam but not arms : )

you don't need his arm length. if you go to an actual bike shop they will fit him but they just need to get a frame size and the rest can be done when he is sitting on the saddle and starts spinning on a trainer.

I've been cycling and doing triathlons for a long time now and comfort is the most important thing to avoid injuries and saddle sore.

[pauls51]

you don't need his arm length. if you go to an actual bike shop they will fit him but they just need to get a frame size and the rest can be done when he is sitting on the saddle and starts spinning on a trainer.

I've been cycling and doing triathlons for a long time now and comfort is the most important thing to avoid injuries and saddle sore.

Couldn't agree more......Especially when it comes to road bikes/mountain bikes that are ridden far distances, i have learnt that comfort should be the rider's No 1 priority. A lot of people overlook getting fitted because they believe all they have to do is adjust the seat (i should know i was one of them!!!). Being fitted to the bike reduces your risk of injury and thus provides you with a far more comfortable and enjoyable ride.

In Melbourne (Oz) we have a ride day called 'Around the Bay in a Day' which starts us off in the centre of the city up along one side of the bay, onto a ferry and down the other side of the bay. (all up approx 210km). The first year i attempted it resulted in having to peddle the last 15km with one leg; my right knee decided to give up on me just before the finish line.
I was recommended by a friend to get myself fitted to the bike and the results for the following year were incredible, not only that, but i managed to wake up the next day and go to work!!! .

[azmark]

Couldn't agree more......Especially when it comes to road bikes/mountain bikes that are ridden far distances, i have learnt that comfort should be the rider's No 1 priority. A lot of people overlook getting fitted because they believe all they have to do is adjust the seat (i should know i was one of them!!!). Being fitted to the bike reduces your risk of injury and thus provides you with a far more comfortable and enjoyable ride.

In Melbourne (Oz) we have a ride day called 'Around the Bay in a Day' which starts us off in the centre of the city up along one side of the bay, onto a ferry and down the other side of the bay. (all up approx 210km). The first year i attempted it resulted in having to peddle the last 15km with one leg; my right knee decided to give up on me just before the finish line.
I was recommended by a friend to get myself fitted to the bike and the results for the following year were incredible, not only that, but i managed to wake up the next day and go to work!!! .

You also get the most power output when you're fitted because you peddle more efficiently.

[jadam318]

Hey Wendy. If it were me, instead of buying a bike and having it sitting there Christmas morning, I'd somehow give him the trip to the bike shop for a proper fitting. Does that make sense? You could give him a coupon that you made or something like that. It would take away from the shock of Christmas morning, but having the right bike will be worth it.

Or, and this idea just came to me, if the bike shop will work with you (and if you're dropping $2k on a bike they should) you could arrange to have any bike from their showroom sitting there in your living room on Christmas morning with the intention of you bringing the bike back later in exchange for a properly fitted bike. If you're working with a local shop (I've dealt with plenty) they may get as excited about you doing this for your husband as you are. Could be worth asking them about anyway.That way you could have the shock of him physically seeing the bike that morning and also be sure he gets one that fits. As has been pointed out, sometimes people like bikes that are a little bigger, smaller, etc... For my last bike (almost 2 years ago now, and a mtn. bike at that) I had to adjust every time I rode for about two months until I got it right...even after the stop fit me for it. The slightest change in geometry (which happens with different sizes) can vastly affect the handling of the bike. If it made that much difference on my all mountain rig, I would assume that it would multiply on the quicker steering road machines.


I just found this thread. I'm glad it got bumped. Can we add mountain biking to the mix? I'm a mountain biker. I have nothing against you pavement pounders, but I'll jump in if anyone has any fat tire questions.

[azmark]

fat tire questions.

Fat Tire:drool:

[Wendy]

All good suggestions. I am pulling the trigger tomorrow on my new bike and will try and work a deal with the owner to help me out on my husbands bike. I planned on buying my new bike several months ago and had not heeled properly from my rotator surgery. I actually lucked out and can pick up the shops last 2009 model for $500 off then he is throwing in pedals, fitting and a different stem to help my reach. It is snowing out now so I am hoping it will be clear so I can go tomorrow to pick up.

[jadam318]

Fat Tire:drool:

Quite true, sir, quite true. I could go for some of that about now, actually.

[jadam318]

All good suggestions. I am pulling the trigger tomorrow on my new bike and will try and work a deal with the owner to help me out on my husbands bike. I planned on buying my new bike several months ago and had not heeled properly from my rotator surgery. I actually lucked out and can pick up the shops last 2009 model for $500 off then he is throwing in pedals, fitting and a different stem to help my reach. It is snowing out now so I am hoping it will be clear so I can go tomorrow to pick up.

If you don't post pics of your new bike, I'm probably going to be upset. :biggrin:

[azmark]

All good suggestions. I am pulling the trigger tomorrow on my new bike and will try and work a deal with the owner to help me out on my husbands bike. I planned on buying my new bike several months ago and had not heeled properly from my rotator surgery. I actually lucked out and can pick up the shops last 2009 model for $500 off then he is throwing in pedals, fitting and a different stem to help my reach. It is snowing out now so I am hoping it will be clear so I can go tomorrow to pick up.

If you need cycling shoes for him let me know. I have a brand new pair that are top notch. Size 45 (10.5) US.

[Wendy]

I bought both bikes today. The owner will hold my husbands bike until Christmas so I can have for him on Christmas morning then have him come back to get the bike fit to him. I got a 55cm and the owner said about 90% of the men that are 5'9 - 5-10 leave happy on a 55cm. I am keeping my fingers crossed he can fit it good. If not I guess we swap it for something else.

[azmark]

I bought both bikes today. The owner will hold my husbands bike until Christmas so I can have for him on Christmas morning then have him come back to get the bike fit to him. I got a 55cm and the owner said about 90% of the men that are 5'9 - 5-10 leave happy on a 55cm. I am keeping my fingers crossed he can fit it good. If not I guess we swap it for something else.

:thumbup1:

We gotta see what if he can top that gift.

[Wendy]

I always win the gift giving contest : ) I like the giving though. Last year he got a new set of Golf clubs, GPS and many other little things. I have a shopping problem :blush: I figure his Birthday is in January so I can skip the B-day present this year.

[TimmyBoston]

Did my first real cold weather ride today. It was fun, the wind chill was a bit under 30. It was a nice right, it's great to have the entire trail just to yourself.

[Wendy]

So how did you stop your nose from running? I need some really good keep warm suggestions. I am picking up new bike tomorrow morning. Sorry mom I have my priorities. I only have 9 weeks until I go under the knife again.

[TimmyBoston]

So how did you stop your nose from running? I need some really good keep warm suggestions. I am picking up new bike tomorrow morning. Sorry mom I have my priorities. I only have 9 weeks until I go under the knife again.

Insulated windproof tights, good jacket, neck warmer pulled over my face, a hat under my helmet, gloves and don't forget shoe covers, they are very important. I also find that sunglasses or other glasses are very helpful to protect your eyes from the wind.

If your nose runs a lot in the cold, you'll need to really focus on staying warm, I'd get a balaclava.

I found lots of great cold weather Adidas stuff at www.nashbar.com very cheap.

[azmark]

So how did you stop your nose from running? I need some really good keep warm suggestions. I am picking up new bike tomorrow morning. Sorry mom I have my priorities. I only have 9 weeks until I go under the knife again.

Go to any sports store (Sports Authority, Dick's, or whatever you have locally) and get some Under Armor cold weather gear to wear under your riding jersey and shorts. Also, gloves! Snot in the face just comes with the territory:lol:

Also since you're in the midwest you might want to invest in an indoor trainer to hook your bike up to for those winter mornings you can't get out. They are boring, like treadmill, but will make up for lost miles.

[pauls51]

Also since you're in the midwest you might want to invest in an indoor trainer to hook your bike up to for those winter mornings you can't get out. They are boring, like treadmill, but will make up for lost miles.

To get over the boredom get yourself some cycling DVD's and set yourself up in front of the TV and before you know it you've done an hours riding (admittingly not as good as being outdoors, but not too bad either!)

[azmark]

To get over the boredom get yourself some cycling DVD's and set yourself up in front of the TV and before you know it you've done an hours riding (admittingly not as good as being outdoors, but not too bad either!)

I use to set it up in our laundry room while the dryer was running. Awesome way to build some sweat!

[vitaman]

Not so much of a question, but I was lurking around the Barber Shop and had to brag on my little one for a minute (proud dad) my 10 yr old daughter just got a 2nd place at the BMX Grand Nationals in Tulsa, OK. this past weekend. That put her 2nd overall in the nation. She rides for a team and this was their haul for the Nationals.

[azmark]

Not so much of a question, but I was lurking around the Barber Shop and had to brag on my little one for a minute (proud dad) my 10 yr old daughter just got a 2nd place at the BMX Grand Nationals in Tulsa, OK. this past weekend. That put her 2nd overall in the nation. She rides for a team and this was their pull for the Nationals.

:thumbup:

[pauls51]

Good work :001_cool:

[vitaman]

Good work :001_cool:

Thanks Paul, I'm not sure if you know her but Caroline Buchanan won women's pro on Sunday, she is from Austrailia.

[Wendy]

Any suggestions on shoe covers. I bought some a couple of months ago at Nashbar and it took me half a day to get them on. Needless to say I sent them back and used wool socks but the temp was not as cold as it is now.

[azmark]

Any suggestions on shoe covers. I bought some a couple of months ago at Nashbar and it took me half a day to get them on. Needless to say I sent them back and used wool socks but the temp was not as cold as it is now.

Any neoprene cycling shoe cover will work but I would stay away from wool socks because your shoes will smell and your feet will stay wet because the wool can not wick away the sweat like cycling socks can. Pearl Izumi makes nice gear in that arena.

[jadam318]

Not so much of a question, but I was lurking around the Barber Shop and had to brag on my little one for a minute (proud dad) my 10 yr old daughter just got a 2nd place at the BMX Grand Nationals in Tulsa, OK. this past weekend. That put her 2nd overall in the nation. She rides for a team and this was their pull for the Nationals.

Holy cow! That's impressive! :thumbup1:

I was a mountain bike guide at a youth camp in western NC for a couple of summers (we rode Tsali, which is incredible, for any of you in that area). We had this one 18 year old kid show up one week who was a nationally ranked BMX racer at the time (I think he was 2nd, he told me). The kid could flat out ride! I had been riding 3-5 times a week all summer long, and I couldn't shake him. I was used to kids falling way behind when we got to some technical stuff or when I decided to push it a little. Not this guy. The harder I rode, the closer he was to my back tire!

It is so cool to see kids put that kind of effort into something! Again, congrats to your daughter! :thumbup:

[Wendy]

Any neoprene cycling shoe cover will work but I would stay away from wool socks because your shoes will smell and your feet will stay wet because the wool can not wick away the sweat like cycling socks can. Pearl Izumi makes nice gear in that arena.

Well a woman can not have stinky feet :w00t: I guess I need to try another kind of bootie. The ones I bought were just an inexpensive Cannondale pair.

[TimmyBoston]

I've got to get a better shoe cover. I was riding today (it was about 25) and after my 2 hour 15 minute ride, I thought my toes were going to fall off. I was wearing adidas toe covers and their windproof bootie.

Any recommendations on a very warm shoe cover? I've got to get something better if I'm going to keep riding.

[azmark]

I've got to get a better shoe cover. I was riding today (it was about 25) and after my 2 hour 15 minute ride, I thought my toes were going to fall off. I was wearing adidas toe covers and their windproof bootie.

Any recommendations on a very warm shoe cover? I've got to get something better if I'm going to keep riding.

Depending on your cycling shoe. Most cycling shoes have in the $100+ range will come with carbon soles and usually have a vent underneath to allow air circulation and will also be a mesh/leather top. Mostly these are best in summer, obviously. The booties help but if it is unbearable just remember to wiggle your toes. Im use to it and it does get about a low of 50 when I ride but you may want to invest in an indoor trainer because there is a certain amount of weather you can bare.

Also, if you are going to be experience icy weather it will eat up your drive train from the moisture so be sure to be maintaining it often.

[Wendy]

I am already dreading my ride today because of how cold my feet were yesterday. It was in the 30's.

[Labarum]

I've got to get something better if I'm going to keep riding.

Yes, over-shoes and mitts on top of cloves. I have a pair of soldiers Arctic over-mitts. They have a thumb and a trigger finger on each hand, which allows for gear shifting! I have a cap to go under my helmet and I cut a strong plastic bag to shape line the inside of the helmet

Ah yes, and the other parts that get especially cold - an extra sock tucked down the front of my winter weight bib-longs.

[azmark]

I am already dreading my ride today because of how cold my feet were yesterday. It was in the 30's.

72 yesterday :thumbup:

[Labarum]

72 yesterday :thumbup:

I really have to indulge in a lot of mental gymnastics these days to make sense of temperatures expressed in Fahrenheit!

The British still commonly use feet and inches, pints and pounds, but Celsius is always used for temperature!

[pauls51]

I really have to indulge in a lot of mental gymnastics these days to make sense of temperatures expressed in Fahrenheit!

The British still commonly use feet and inches, pints and pounds, but Celsius is always used for temperature!



:lol::lol: Too true... !!! I believe the booties were one of the best inventions for those early morning frosty rides... During winter i will not ride without them!..

[Wendy]

Go to any sports store (Sports Authority, Dick's, or whatever you have locally) and get some Under Armor cold weather gear to wear under your riding jersey and shorts. Also, gloves! Snot in the face just comes with the territory:lol:

Also since you're in the midwest you might want to invest in an indoor trainer to hook your bike up to for those winter mornings you can't get out. They are boring, like treadmill, but will make up for lost miles.

My feet and hands are the real problem. I was done after about 50 minutes today. My feet felt like I only had the heel left and my fingers were in terrible pain. I need to find a better pair of gloves. I am going to hijack my husbands bike gloves. He rides his motorcycle year round and seems to stay warm.

I borrowed my brothers trainer but after reading how bad they trash your tires I am a little apprehensive to put my new bike on there. Maybe I will just stick with the fitness bike on the trainer.

[azmark]

I borrowed my brothers trainer but after reading how bad they trash your tires I am a little apprehensive to put my new bike on there. Maybe I will just stick with the fitness bike on the trainer.

I've been using trainers for years and have never had a problem with the tires. Just keep the tire light on the back when you place the tire against it and it's fine. The only thing to worry about is when you sweat on your crank and top tube of your bike. But for that just lay a towel over the top tube.

Cold weather is a challenge to all cyclists. Another good thing about a trainer is that you're able to do more strength training and plus it's safer than hitting a patch of water or ice and God forbid something happens to you or your husband. I have an extra trainer (Cycleops Fluid), just pay the shipping and you can have it. PM me if you're interested and I'll throw a bike on it and make sure it's good to go. http://www.cycle-ops.com/p-118-fluid.aspx

[TimmyBoston]

Cold weather is a challenge to all cyclists. Another good thing about a trainer is that you're able to do more strength training and plus it's safer than hitting a patch of water or ice and God forbid something happens to you or your husband. I have an extra trainer (Cycleops Fluid), just pay the shipping and you can have it. PM me if you're interested and I'll throw a bike on it and make sure it's good to go. http://www.cycle-ops.com/p-118-fluid.aspx

I am consistently amazed by the generousity of B&B members. Well done! :thumbup1:

[perry]

I just tried spinning class at the YMCA tonight for the first time. Had not been on my bike for about 2 months due to time and then not having the right clothing for the cold. Twas a pretty good workout. I need to get my cycling legs back under me and get used to the bike, but I think I liked it overall. My bike will just hang out in the garage till spring.

[maurerc]

When I go anywhere by bike, the minimum I want to carry is full rain gear, enough tools to cope with any contingency, and a spare tube. The easiest way to carry all this is in a pannier on a rear rack. Into the same pannier can go any number of water bottles--inexpensive stainless-steel water bottles that will never leak or develop odours or fungi.

[Wendy]

I've been using trainers for years and have never had a problem with the tires. Just keep the tire light on the back when you place the tire against it and it's fine. The only thing to worry about is when you sweat on your crank and top tube of your bike. But for that just lay a towel over the top tube.

Cold weather is a challenge to all cyclists. Another good thing about a trainer is that you're able to do more strength training and plus it's safer than hitting a patch of water or ice and God forbid something happens to you or your husband. I have an extra trainer (Cycleops Fluid), just pay the shipping and you can have it. PM me if you're interested and I'll throw a bike on it and make sure it's good to go. http://www.cycle-ops.com/p-118-fluid.aspx

I wish I could take you up on that but the trainer I have is borrowed and it looks like I only get it for a couple more weeks. My brother loaned it to me out of pity after my shoulder surgery. Now he is having the same shoulder surgery I had a few months back. So I will have to buy my own trainer :angry: Maybe after my husband gets his bike for Christmas it will soften the blow if I go buy my own trainer. Thank you so much for the offer though. There are truly a lot of great people on this forum.

[TimmyBoston]

Cycling in the snow? Is this possible or am I crazy? I'm not talking heavy snow. Light stuff on a bike path. I have a road bike with a 23 and a 25 all-weather tire. I want to get out and ride, but I don't want to mess up my bike or worse, my teeth. Has anyone done this? Any thoughts, recommendations?

I'm also considering getting a moderately priced mountain bike. How do those do?

[rfm2]

I wouldn't take a road bike out in snow, especially fresh snow. It's just too slick, even with treaded tires. Lots of folks ride in the winter up here in Alaska, but the trails are hard packed, and most are on mountain bikes. Skinny tires sink too much.

[Wendy]

Cycling in the snow?

Let me know how that works for ya : )

[jadam318]

Cycling in the snow? Is this possible or am I crazy? I'm not talking heavy snow. Light stuff on a bike path. I have a road bike with a 23 and a 25 all-weather tire. I want to get out and ride, but I don't want to mess up my bike or worse, my teeth. Has anyone done this? Any thoughts, recommendations?

I'm also considering getting a moderately priced mountain bike. How do those do?

Snow riding or not, I highly recommend getting a mountain bike. It'll change your life. :wink:

I saw a guy on a mt bike in Bozeman as I came through the other day. Sub zero temperatures (way sub zero, like -10 or so at that time) and well over a foot of snow on the ground. I saw him hop a curb (he was commuting, it appeared), so he must have discovered a good way to make it work. I don't know if they sell studded bike tires or not. If that doesn't exist, you could always find some very small screws to screw into the thick part of the tread. That's an off-road truck trick I learned somewhere along the way. Of course you'd want that to not be the tires you bike on in other circumstances.

Personally, I'm content keeping my bike indoors when winter feels like it does now here (-20 to -30).

[TimmyBoston]

I've been thinking about it all day and I'm really thinking getting a mountain bike is something I should do. I know about them. What do you guys and gals recommend in terms of a mountain bike? What are great bikes in some of the various price ranges? For example what can you get for $350, for $600 or for a $1000? (I'm probably leaning towards the first two of those price ranges :blushing:) The disc brakes, are they worth it? How about the rear suspension? Are there cheaper alternatives to that rear suspension? Any other general advice before I enter the quagmire of my local bike shop.

Thanks!

[SRock]

Cycling in the snow? Is this possible or am I crazy? I'm not talking heavy snow. Light stuff on a bike path. I have a road bike with a 23 and a 25 all-weather tire. I want to get out and ride, but I don't want to mess up my bike or worse, my teeth. Has anyone done this? Any thoughts, recommendations?

I'm also considering getting a moderately priced mountain bike. How do those do?

The Japanese do it all the time. They ride on studded tires and have gloves built in/attached to the handle bars. Though to be fair the tires they ride on are larger than the road tires you are riding on (but are still considerably smaller than mountain bike tires).

[jadam318]

I've been thinking about it all day and I'm really thinking getting a mountain bike is something I should do. I know about them. What do you guys and gals recommend in terms of a mountain bike? What are great bikes in some of the various price ranges? For example what can you get for $350, for $600 or for a $1000? (I'm probably leaning towards the first two of those price ranges :blushing:) The disc brakes, are they worth it? How about the rear suspension? Are there cheaper alternatives to that rear suspension? Any other general advice before I enter the quagmire of my local bike shop.

Thanks!

To stay under $600 your money would be best spent on a hard tail without disc brakes. (All of this is my opinion, by the way.) Disc brakes are worth it if you can spring for the hydraulic ones. I'm not a fan of mechanical discs. The modulation of the hydraulics is what makes disc brakes, as far as I'm concerned. The cable ones modulate much like V-brakes, they're just a little stronger. Not enough to sacrifice the extra weight and $ for me.

As for the suspension debate, that's up in the air. I ride a 2008 Giant Trance X2. I have nearly $2k wrapped up in it (sticker was $1800, I believe), and it was the lowest end, full suspension bike I was willing to buy. Granted, I'm a bit of a gear head, and I was picky with suspension geometry and component group. I ended up with a bike that I LOVE, though. I have complete faith in the Shimano LX (most of it is LX, anyway) component group. I wouldn't ride anything made to be cheaper than the LX equivalent. I've seen too many of them break 5 miles into a 10 mile trail.

My suggestion if you want to get onto a full suspension bike for cheap is to buy a used one. You'll have to keep a close eye out for pivot wear, which can be noticed through any side-to-side movement of the rear triangle, but there are some decent used ones to be had for much less than what you'd pay for a new one.

I think, however, that if you limit yourself to $600 you can get more bike for the money going for a hard tail. What the rear suspension will buy you is a little more grip for the rear. If you can handle a bike well enough you'll have no problem making a hard tail keep up with your fs riding friends. Plus, you'll out climb them every time.

[Wendy]

I too thought about a mountain bike for the cold weather but after spending a few thousand last week on bikes I could not really justify the cost. The LBS told me that their $500 & $600 bikes are not really mountain bikes that they are more suitable for trails and paths. I was looking at close to $1000 for a decent bike. Not sure how true that is but I think I will pass. :thumbdown

[jadam318]

I too thought about a mountain bike for the cold weather but after spending a few thousand last week on bikes I could not really justify the cost. The LBS told me that their $500 & $600 bikes are not really mountain bikes that they are more suitable for trails and paths. I was looking at close to $1000 for a decent bike. Not sure how true that is but I think I will pass. :thumbdown

For new bikes, that's pretty accurate, I think. $1000 should get you a solid bike at any shop, though.

[azmark]

I've been thinking about it all day and I'm really thinking getting a mountain bike is something I should do. I know about them. What do you guys and gals recommend in terms of a mountain bike? What are great bikes in some of the various price ranges? For example what can you get for $350, for $600 or for a $1000? (I'm probably leaning towards the first two of those price ranges :blushing:) The disc brakes, are they worth it? How about the rear suspension? Are there cheaper alternatives to that rear suspension? Any other general advice before I enter the quagmire of my local bike shop.

Thanks!

Im not as experienced on mountain bikes as I am road/tri bikes. I know it depends on what type of riding you'll be doing. I'm a big fan of Kuota bikes but I know Specialized has a huge array of bikes. I stick to a hard tail unless you're really into it.

[TimmyBoston]

I've decided to get an entry level mountain bike and my LBS has a great sale going on now. I've been riding my road one in light snow and it's awful. No control and my brakes totally freeze up and are useless by the end of the ride, it's dangerous.

Now I must decide between traditional brakes and disc brakes. I know the discs work better, but are heavier. Which one would you guys recommend?

[SRock]

I've decided to get an entry level mountain bike and my LBS has a great sale going on now. I've been riding my road one in light snow and it's awful. No control and my brakes totally freeze up and are useless by the end of the ride, it's dangerous.

Now I must decide between traditional brakes and disc brakes. I know the discs work better, but are heavier. Which one would you guys recommend?

To be honest I prefer the disc brakes. Mine are cable but as others have mentioned if you can get them in the price range go for the fluid.

[TimmyBoston]

To be honest I prefer the disc brakes. Mine are cable but as others have mentioned if you can get them in the price range go for the fluid.

I definitely can't afford the hydraulic ones, it will be the cable I'm just trying to get some feedback on them before I make a purchase.

[jadam318]

I definitely can't afford the hydraulic ones, it will be the cable I'm just trying to get some feedback on them before I make a purchase.

As far as snow and ice are concerned, the disc brakes (cable or hydraulic) will probably work better. With the braking surface further from the slush, you'd probably be better served with discs. On the other hand, I personally don't think cable disc brakes are worth any extra $ over a good set of V-brakes. That's a highly debatable statement, though. Let us know what you get. (Pics, man!)

[SRock]

I definitely can't afford the hydraulic ones, it will be the cable I'm just trying to get some feedback on them before I make a purchase.

I still think discs (even cable) are better. I have a GT Outpost and it has cable/discs and they are far superior to other bikes I've owned with traditional brakes.

[TimmyBoston]

It continues to get colder here. Any suggestions on any heated socks? I'm going to need some if I want to keep riding. The shoe covers just don't cut it when it's a wind chill below zero.

[TimmyBoston]

After reading a lot of online reviews it seems all those electric socks are still junk. I knew they were several years ago when they started popping up ski shops. I had hoped the technology had improved.

I'm looking at some different wool socks. I've got to find something to help keep my feet warm. It's been in the 10-15 range here lately and they feel like they are going to fall off by the end of my ride.

[jadam318]

After reading a lot of online reviews it seems all those electric socks are still junk. I knew they were several years ago when they started popping up ski shops. I had hoped the technology had improved.

I'm looking at some different wool socks. I've got to find something to help keep my feet warm. It's been in the 10-15 range here lately and they feel like they are going to fall off by the end of my ride.

I wish I had some input for you, but I don't ride in this weather. You're a bit more die-hard cyclist than I am, I guess. I would just get a trainer and park it in front of a high energy movie or some good music. :wink2:

[Labarum]

Out cycling I hit some black ice ten days ago. Broken hip. Discharged from hospital on Christmas Eve with certain modifications and upgrades. I have three screws and a high tech alloy pate I didn't have before.

All free on the British National Heath Service. I cannot praise the nursing and surgical teams enough.

Now its the few weeks on crutches and the many weeks getting back to normal.

Hey Ho.

Watch out for ice!

Happy New Year to all!

In UK we are set for the coldest winter in many a year - so much for global warming.

[azmark]

Glad to hear you're OK. Indoor trainer is the thing to do.

Also, nothing is ever free.


Out cycling I hit some black ice ten days ago. Broken hip. Discharged from hospital on Christmas Eve with certain modifications and upgrades. I have three screws and a high tech alloy pate I didn't have before.

All free on the British National Heath Service. I cannot praise the nursing and surgical teams enough.

Now its the few weeks on crutches and the many weeks getting back to normal.

Hey Ho.

Watch out for ice!

Happy New Year to all!

In UK we are set for the coldest winter in many a year - so much for global warming.

[jadam318]

Out cycling I hit some black ice ten days ago. Broken hip. Discharged from hospital on Christmas Eve with certain modifications and upgrades. I have three screws and a high tech alloy pate I didn't have before.

All free on the British National Heath Service. I cannot praise the nursing and surgical teams enough.

Now its the few weeks on crutches and the many weeks getting back to normal.

Hey Ho.

Watch out for ice!

Happy New Year to all!

In UK we are set for the coldest winter in many a year - so much for global warming.

Oh, wow. That sucks! Glad to hear you're on the way to recovery.

[Labarum]

Glad to hear you're OK. Indoor trainer is the thing to do.

Also, nothing is ever free.

Agreed, but the philosophy is "free at the point of need", yes, I have paid plety taxes over the years.

Some rollers for the bike might be one way to keep muscles working - physiotherapist permitting. But pedaling in the garage has no appeal!

[Wendy]

Need advice on a bike rack. My husband and I both have one and they are both pretty rough on the bikes. For the most part I take off form the house to ride but would like to be able to put my new bike on a rack if I want to take it with me anywhere and I would not dare doing that with my current bike rack. I am looking at a 4 or 5 bike carrier must be a hitch rack. I was going to buy the Thule 4 carrier but ran across a Saris and Yakima that look pretty good too. I did notice that Saris has an adjustable hitch size which is great considering my hubby and I have a different size hitch. Any advice would be appreciated.

[azmark]

Do you have a truck?


Need advice on a bike rack. My husband and I both have one and they are both pretty rough on the bikes. For the most part I take off form the house to ride but would like to be able to put my new bike on a rack if I want to take it with me anywhere and I would not dare doing that with my current bike rack. I am looking at a 4 or 5 bike carrier must be a hitch rack. I was going to buy the Thule 4 carrier but ran across a Saris and Yakima that look pretty good too. I did notice that Saris has an adjustable hitch size which is great considering my hubby and I have a different size hitch. Any advice would be appreciated.

[azmark]

Added a few things to BST for cycling folks.

Cycling Gear (http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php?t=125910)

[jadam318]

Added a few things to BST for cycling folks.

Cycling Gear (http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php?t=125910)

Ooh, nice! I'd pick that up if all my resources weren't wrapped up in my upcoming cross-country move. :thumbup1:

[Wendy]

Do you have a truck?

Yes, and a SUV. Both have a different size hitch.

[azmark]

Imagine a shower rod for my explanation.

I picked up these "blocks" from Rack Warehouse and instead of mounting them on the bed of the truck I purchased a collapsable (shower curtain) aluminum 2"x2" support beam. I think it was $20 and welded the blocks to it. I can take them off my truck anytime.

I had to come up with something because there was no way my wife was going to let me put bikes in the back of her Escalade.

If your husband is pretty handy he can get some good ideas and make his own set up.

There's also more stuff you might like.
http://www.rackwarehouse.com/t821.html


Yes, and a SUV. Both have a different size hitch.

[jadam318]

Imagine a shower rod for my explanation.

I picked up these "blocks" from Rack Warehouse and instead of mounting them on the bed of the truck I purchased a collapsable (shower curtain) aluminum 2"x2" support beam. I think it was $20 and welded the blocks to it. I can take them off my truck anytime.

I had to come up with something because there was no way my wife was going to let me put bikes in the back of her Escalade.

If your husband is pretty handy he can get some good ideas and make his own set up.

There's also more stuff you might like.
http://www.rackwarehouse.com/t821.html

I did the same thing using a 2X4. I just bolted them to the wood and cut the wood to fit into some perfectly sized slots that were molded into my bedliner. Things kind of worked out perfectly for me, but only by chance. I like the idea up there better. If you go that route, you'll still want to get a strap of some sort to keep the rear end of the bike from flopping around. I bent a derrailur that way.


Would something like this (http://www.ems.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3664088&emssrcid=AFF%3AGAN_k232270) work for you? That would keep fabrication to a minimum, but if you have two different sized hitches you'd still only be able to use it on one vehicle.

[bulldog]

I just spotted this thread and wanted to say hello. I'm glad to know I'm not the only bike crazy person here, but among many. My bikes are stuck in the garage with all this cold and snow (9°F today) leaving me stuck going to spin classes instead.

Best regards,
Nate.

[TimmyBoston]

I got out and did 15 miles in the snow the today and yesterday.

[azmark]

:thumbup:


I got out and did 15 miles in the snow the today and yesterday.

[SRock]

I got out and did 15 miles in the snow the today and yesterday.

Crazy Man! :lol::lol:

[TimmyBoston]

Crazy Man! :lol::lol:

It's really not that bad. That's why I bought the mountain bike. As long as you are bundled up properly it's manageable. I've been riding every day thoughout all this midwestern snow, the only really bad part is my frozen toes considering it's only been about 15 the last few days.

[SRock]

It's really not that bad. That's why I bought the mountain bike. As long as you are bundled up properly it's manageable. I've been riding every day thoughout all this midwestern snow, the only really bad part is my frozen toes considering it's only been about 15 the last few days.

I missed that you finally picked one up, what did you get? Disc brakes?

[TimmyBoston]

I missed that you finally picked one up, what did you get? Disc brakes?

I got a Trek 3700. It's about the cheapest Trek they make, no disc brakes, but the v's so far have been very good.

I picked it up on sale right before Christmas.

http://thebikeline.com/product/trek-3700-se-59341-1.htm

[SRock]

I got a Trek 3700. It's about the cheapest Trek they make, no disc brakes, but the v's so far have been very good.

I picked it up on sale right before Christmas.

http://thebikeline.com/product/trek-3700-se-59341-1.htm

:cool: That should carry you through winter and give you some off road fun when the weather is nicer.

[Mudman]

Hey cool! I had no idea that biking ad shaving went together. :thumbup:

I've been mountain biking for just under 3 years now on and off. My interests are mostly on riding Downhill. But riding XC has proven beneficial to my stamina, when riding DH types of trails. However my Intense Slopestyle SS has been a little difficult to take on longer rides- coming in just short of 40lbs.

My DH bike is an Intense M6. Sadly it doesn't see as much usage as it should- but SoCal just doesn't have enough gnarly trails to require 9'' of travel.

[jadam318]

Hey cool! I had no idea that biking ad shaving went together. :thumbup:

I've been mountain biking for just under 3 years now on and off. My interests are mostly on riding Downhill. But riding XC has proven beneficial to my stamina, when riding DH types of trails. However my Intense Slopestyle SS has been a little difficult to take on longer rides- coming in just short of 40lbs.

My DH bike is an Intense M6. Sadly it doesn't see as much usage as it should- but SoCal just doesn't have enough gnarly trails to require 9'' of travel.

Hey! Finally, another dirt lover! This place is full of road bikers, which is fine, but it is nice to run into another who prefers dirt. I've tried my hand at some mild DH, but I've never had a real DH rig nor a decent place to employ one. I don't really consider myself an XC guy, though. I ride a Giant Trance, which is really more of an all mountain/trail bike. It's a good rig, and I mostly just ride for me (no racing at this point). I don't concern myself with being the fastest to get to the top of the hill. I'm content to granny gear it to the top and then push it coming back down the other side.

Do you do any DH racing? An M6 is a pretty serious machine. When you do get to put it to use, where do you usually do that?

[jadam318]

Hey cool! I had no idea that biking ad shaving went together. :thumbup:

I've been mountain biking for just under 3 years now on and off. My interests are mostly on riding Downhill. But riding XC has proven beneficial to my stamina, when riding DH types of trails. However my Intense Slopestyle SS has been a little difficult to take on longer rides- coming in just short of 40lbs.

My DH bike is an Intense M6. Sadly it doesn't see as much usage as it should- but SoCal just doesn't have enough gnarly trails to require 9'' of travel.

Oh, hey! Welcome to B&B, by the way!!

[bulldog]

Hey cool! I had no idea that biking ad shaving went together. :thumbup:

I've been mountain biking for just under 3 years now on and off. My interests are mostly on riding Downhill. But riding XC has proven beneficial to my stamina, when riding DH types of trails. However my Intense Slopestyle SS has been a little difficult to take on longer rides- coming in just short of 40lbs.

My DH bike is an Intense M6. Sadly it doesn't see as much usage as it should- but SoCal just doesn't have enough gnarly trails to require 9'' of travel.

Nice stable.

[wilsonent]

It's really not that bad. That's why I bought the mountain bike. As long as you are bundled up properly it's manageable. I've been riding every day thoughout all this midwestern snow, the only really bad part is my frozen toes considering it's only been about 15 the last few days.

Glad to hear you are braving the elements. Just wondering, are you riding the rails to trails path in Indy?

[Mudman]

Hey! Finally, another dirt lover! This place is full of road bikers, which is fine, but it is nice to run into another who prefers dirt. I've tried my hand at some mild DH, but I've never had a real DH rig nor a decent place to employ one. I don't really consider myself an XC guy, though. I ride a Giant Trance, which is really more of an all mountain/trail bike. It's a good rig, and I mostly just ride for me (no racing at this point). I don't concern myself with being the fastest to get to the top of the hill. I'm content to granny gear it to the top and then push it coming back down the other side.

Do you do any DH racing? An M6 is a pretty serious machine. When you do get to put it to use, where do you usually do that?
I gave a go at Road biking and didn't like it much. Also hearing about all the people that get into accidents with cars- is not very helpful either. It has it's own decipline that's for sure.

The Giant trance is a great bike- and quite a few people have them as well.
I used to race a little bit in Fontana. But never did well, so I stopped. Plus it costs too much with the registration and gas used to drive out there. I'm all about having fun.

And yes, the M6 is a very SERIOUS machine. There's not much in SoCal that calls for a bike like this. But the places I shuttle are fun with it. Most of the places are in the OC and Santa Monica area.
Here's a photo of the machine.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/murda_fiziks/MTB/DSC01125.jpg

[jadam318]

I gave a go at Road biking and didn't like it much. Also hearing about all the people that get into accidents with cars- is not very helpful either. It has it's own decipline that's for sure.

The Giant trance is a great bike- and quite a few people have them as well.
I used to race a little bit in Fontana. But never did well, so I stopped. Plus it costs too much with the registration and gas used to drive out there. I'm all about having fun.

And yes, the M6 is a very SERIOUS machine. There's not much in SoCal that calls for a bike like this. But the places I shuttle are fun with it. Most of the places are in the OC and Santa Monica area.
Here's a photo of the machine.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/murda_fiziks/MTB/DSC01125.jpg

Great looking rig, man! :thumbup1: If I ever end up in a place where I can do some DH riding, I'm certainly going to get my hands on a bike and have at it. How far do you have to drive to ride?

[Mudman]

Great looking rig, man! :thumbup1: If I ever end up in a place where I can do some DH riding, I'm certainly going to get my hands on a bike and have at it. How far do you have to drive to ride?
Riding DH is a blast, quite an adrenaline rush. Specially when your doing some Freeride in between. The biggest drop I've done was only seven feet, but it was fun. I hope to step that up considerably this year.

My average drive time to meet up for a shuttle ride, is about 45-1.5hr . Wish there were some actual DH trails that were within distance.

If you do ever get to check out some DH bikes, don't rent Kona. I hate them! lol

[jadam318]

Riding DH is a blast, quite an adrenaline rush. Specially when your doing some Freeride in between. The biggest drop I've done was only seven feet, but it was fun. I hope to step that up considerably this year.

My average drive time to meet up for a shuttle ride, is about 45-1.5hr . Wish there were some actual DH trails that were within distance.

If you do ever get to check out some DH bikes, don't rent Kona. I hate them! lol

Really? I had a roommate in college who rode a Kona Stab for a while. He loved it, and it seemed to hold up well. I watched him huck a 15 ft. drop on it, and it seemed to respond pretty well. He eventually got rid of it when he got a grass roots sponsorship from Transition. :rolleyes: I traveled with him to a couple of his races. We had to drive about 5 hours from where we went to college (south Georgia) to find anything that could even remotely be called DH.

What don't you like about Kona?

[Mudman]

What don't you like about Kona?
Everything, I'm not a fan of the design and look.

I am not saying in any way shape or form that they are bad bikes. They just don't work for me. Most people I know that own a Kona- love it to death. Most of them are the XC and AM bikes though, not DH. The Stinky has a small presence among the locals as well. Mostly around here, you'll see more Giant, Intense, Specialized, Foes, Trek etc. over Kona for DH. BUT there's not much in Socal for real DH. People just like big bikes for no good reason (including myself). lol

A Kona Stab with the D.O.P.E. system works nice, but it didn't fit my style as the M6 does. If the Kona worked like I wanted- it would be in my possession right now- as it's far less the cost of an Intense.

Again, I don't think Konas are bad bikes. I just don't like them. :lol:

[Wendy]

Imagine a shower rod for my explanation.

I picked up these "blocks" from Rack Warehouse and instead of mounting them on the bed of the truck I purchased a collapsable (shower curtain) aluminum 2"x2" support beam. I think it was $20 and welded the blocks to it. I can take them off my truck anytime.

I had to come up with something because there was no way my wife was going to let me put bikes in the back of her Escalade.

If your husband is pretty handy he can get some good ideas and make his own set up.

There's also more stuff you might like.
http://www.rackwarehouse.com/t821.html

HA HA HA Handy, not my hubby. Plus it would take him 3 years to get around to it : )

[jadam318]

Everything, I'm not a fan of the design and look.

I am not saying in any way shape or form that they are bad bikes. They just don't work for me. Most people I know that own a Kona- love it to death. Most of them are the XC and AM bikes though, not DH. The Stinky has a small presence among the locals as well. Mostly around here, you'll see more Giant, Intense, Specialized, Foes, Trek etc. over Kona for DH. BUT there's not much in Socal for real DH. People just like big bikes for no good reason (including myself). lol

A Kona Stab with the D.O.P.E. system works nice, but it didn't fit my style as the M6 does. If the Kona worked like I wanted- it would be in my possession right now- as it's far less the cost of an Intense.

Again, I don't think Konas are bad bikes. I just don't like them. :lol:

I was just curious is all. I rode a Kona AM type bike before I bought my Giant, and I liked it. Then again, I had no intention of freeriding or DH-ing at the time. As a matter of fact, my Giant's 4-bar suspension feels quite similar to that Kona. I have to say, though, this Trance of mine climbs like a scalded cat for a not-so-xc bike.

I envy you a little, though. I'm about to move to coastal South Carolina. I don't see anymore mountain biking in my future than I've had in the last year. Eastern Montana doesn't have much by way of trails, either. :rolleyes:

[Mudman]

I was just curious is all. I rode a Kona AM type bike before I bought my Giant, and I liked it. Then again, I had no intention of freeriding or DH-ing at the time. As a matter of fact, my Giant's 4-bar suspension feels quite similar to that Kona. I have to say, though, this Trance of mine climbs like a scalded cat for a not-so-xc bike.

I envy you a little, though. I'm about to move to coastal South Carolina. I don't see anymore mountain biking in my future than I've had in the last year. Eastern Montana doesn't have much by way of trails, either. :rolleyes:
The newer Giants are now on a DW-link I believe. I pedaled around a DWLink Ironhorse 6point not too long ago and liked it a lot. LOL your bike certainly climbs better than my 39lbs Slopestyle. Basically a miniature DH bike, it's quite hard to really XC with. But once everything starts heading down- I am king. haha

There's always something to ride wherever you go. Some places might take longer to get to. Or you can try to find a local BMX track and train on that. It's quite a workout. I've never raced it, but watching the little kids do it is mind blowing. They can barely support the weight of their oversized helmets- yet they are so fast!

[jadam318]

The newer Giants are now on a DW-link I believe. I pedaled around a DWLink Ironhorse 6point not too long ago and liked it a lot. LOL your bike certainly climbs better than my 39lbs Slopestyle. Basically a miniature DH bike, it's quite hard to really XC with. But once everything starts heading down- I am king. haha

There's always something to ride wherever you go. Some places might take longer to get to. Or you can try to find a local BMX track and train on that. It's quite a workout. I've never raced it, but watching the little kids do it is mind blowing. They can barely support the weight of their oversized helmets- yet they are so fast!

Oh, man. I was a mountain bike guide at a youth camp in western North Carolina for a couple of summers at Tsali. This one kid showed up one week whom I later found out was a nationally ranked BMXer. He was 17 or 18, I don't remember, but I could not for the life of me shake him! I would ride as hard as I could and turn around to look at him. He'd be right on my tire.....just playing around. He was, hands down, the best rider I've ever ridden with. I was in good shape at the time, too. We had a four mile XC loop that me and a friend of mine could turn out in about 20 minutes. Like I said, I'm no racer, but that's making pretty decent time. That kid rode hard!

Anyway, I have every intention of looking for trails when I get down there. I know I can find some that are about 3 or 4 hours away, but I won't be able to do that every week. I worked for Georgia State Parks in 2008 (lived on the parks while I did it), and I got used to being able to hit a trail 100 yards from my back door. I miss that desperately.

[Mudman]

Oh, man. I was a mountain bike guide at a youth camp in western North Carolina for a couple of summers at Tsali. This one kid showed up one week whom I later found out was a nationally ranked BMXer.

BMX racers seem to do very well when switching over to MTB. They train very hard and push themselves quite a bit. So it all seems natural- plus bashing around on a rigid 20-24'' wheel bike. Then moving up to a 26'' bike with 4-10'' of travel, everything is cake.

Very few people these days ride more than twice a week. I ride twice if time permits. Most of the time it doesn't. Hope the move works out.

If you become a Roadie, then you'll have a reason to buy more Straight/DE razors! because it's mandatory to shave your legs. LOL

[jadam318]

If you become a Roadie, then you'll have a reason to buy more Straight/DE razors! because it's mandatory to shave your legs. LOL

:lol::lol: Better to be a roadie than to hang up bikes, I guess, but I don't know about all this leg shaving business. :lol:

Let's just hope I can find some trails! :eek:

[Mudman]

:lol::lol: Better to be a roadie than to hang up bikes, I guess, but I don't know about all this leg shaving business. :lol:

Let's just hope I can find some trails! :eek:

That's true.

Hope you find trails as well. I had a pleasent ride today at Turnbull Canyon with a few old high school friends. It was relaxing.

[TimmyBoston]

If you become a Roadie, then you'll have a reason to buy more Straight/DE razors! because it's mandatory to shave your legs. LOL

I'll never give up my road bike, but I'll never shave my legs either.

[airplanedoc]

but I'll never shave my legs either.

If that is a requirement, then no road bike for me.

[TimmyBoston]

Has anyone ever used a kid carrier or some other platform to tow their dog while biking?

I've seen a few people do it around here and I'd like to do the same. I don't like leaving me dog for that many hours on long rides and she'd love to go with me.

[soapbox]

If that is a requirement, then no road bike for me.

It's not a requirement, but the difference in how your legs feel is noteworthy. (no, not "girly"--at least, not after your first ride with shaved legs). I don't ride enough now to shave my legs, but it was beneficial when I was riding a lot. I'm sure there's some aerodynamic benefit, but I didn't notice anything -- rather, there was never the distraction of the wind pulling at my leg hair, and I knew that I would have less road rash if I happened to fall.

Plus, hey, an excuse to buy a Lady Gillette, perhaps? :biggrin1:

[airplanedoc]

I'm sure there's some aerodynamic benefit

It is called parasitic drag, Which is basically is drag induced by a solid object being moved thru a fluid medium.

I'm still not shaving my legs to go for a bike ride

[soapbox]

It is called parasitic drag, Which is basically is drag induced by a solid object being moved thru a fluid medium.

Sure -- I'm saying that I didn't notice any benefit compared to, say, getting down in the drops, or using an aero bar!

[airplanedoc]

I figure if you lost a race by .001 sec. You might really notice a difference, but for most of us, I agree I don't think if will make much difference.

[bulldog]

5 Real Reasons Why You Should Shave Your Legs (That Have Nothing To Do With Aerodynamics) (http://coachlevi.com/cycling/reasons-why-cyclists-shave-legs/)

May also help a triathlete get in and out of wetsuits.

My leg hairs make me look like I have a slight tan and keep me warm (:cool1:), so I'll keep 'em natural. :001_tongu

[Mysterion]

It's not a requirement, but the difference in how your legs feel is noteworthy. (no, not "girly"--at least, not after your first ride with shaved legs). I don't ride enough now to shave my legs, but it was beneficial when I was riding a lot. I'm sure there's some aerodynamic benefit, but I didn't notice anything -- rather, there was never the distraction of the wind pulling at my leg hair, and I knew that I would have less road rash if I happened to fall when I inevitably careened flesh-side down across the pavement.
ftfy

[Live2Ride]

5 Real Reasons Why You Should Shave Your Legs (That Have Nothing To Do With Aerodynamics) (http://coachlevi.com/cycling/reasons-why-cyclists-shave-legs/)



When I get home after a crash, I shave the abrasion area - it deters infection, makes bandaging easier, and I get to contemplate how I managed to wad it up.

The anti-tick defense, from the link above, is a good one for those of us who enjoy singletrack.

[azmark]

I shaved my legs (only) when I use to do Ironman races. Great for wetsuits and it made cooling off easier because sweat just ran down your legs.

Now Im all hair except for the patches where I test my str8. :lol::lol:

[TimmyBoston]

Anyone know of a good, friendly biking or triathlon forum?

[Wendy]

I myself am curious about century runs. Where to find them and if there are any particular sponsored ones that are better than the next.

[Live2Ride]

I myself am curious about century runs. Where to find them and if there are any particular sponsored ones that are better than the next.

Here's a link to a good site - but it only covers the western states. You might search this and find a similar site for your neck of the woods. Century riding is great fun - go for it!

http://www.bbcnet.com/RideCalendar/default.aspx

[Wendy]

Thanks for the info. I am making that a goal for this spring/summer.

[Live2Ride]

Thanks for the info. I am making that a goal for this spring/summer.

That's a great goal. You've probably seen this, but, if not, here's a link to Bicycling Mag's 10 week century prep:

http://www.bicycling.com/article/0,6610,s1-4-443-19050-1,00.html

The same month I got my first mountain bike, I also read their Bicycling's annual century ride article - and how to do it on a mountain bike. That was in April. In August I rode my first metric century and in September I rode my first full century. The feeling of accomplishment is incredible.

Good luck, have fun, and keep us posted...

[wilsonent]

That's a great goal. You've probably seen this, but, if not, here's a link to Bicycling Mag's 10 week century prep:

http://www.bicycling.com/article/0,6610,s1-4-443-19050-1,00.html

The same month I got my first mountain bike, I also read their Bicycling's annual century ride article - and how to do it on a mountain bike. That was in April. In August I rode my first metric century and in September I rode my first full century. The feeling of accomplishment is incredible.

Good luck, have fun, and keep us posted...

Way to go, I have yet to ride a century. Just haven't had time to put into the longer rides, but that is still a goal of mine. So far, 70miles is my longest ride.

[TimmyBoston]

Way to go, I have yet to ride a century. Just haven't had time to put into the longer rides, but that is still a goal of mine. So far, 70miles is my longest ride.

I've never done an organized century ride or a group 100 mile ride, but I did a 100 mile ride by myself last summer. I paced myself, it honestly wasn't that hard, but the amount of boredom you feel being on the bike that long and your back, it's a real pain. It's probably something I'll do once, maybe twice a season just to make sure I can do it, but unless I attempt an Ironman or something one day I doubt I'll ever do them with any regularity.

[bulldog]

Here's one in July for the truely ambitious. Your choice to do it in one or two days.
Seattle to Portland 200-miles (http://www.cascade.org/eandr/STP/)

[bulldog]

Would it be a good idea for someone to form a cycling social group? I don't know if groups have to be shaving-centric or not, but it might be easier than navigating this now-giant thread.

Just a thought,
-N.

[Doc4]

... easier than navigating this now-giant thread.

.

More shorter, specific-question threads might be the way to go for now. If we get enough interest in athletic-type threads ... :wink2:

[bulldog]

427, er, now 428 cycling posts to one thread about dogs, cars, pedals, road & mtb, and more - just might be time. I suppose the Internet has bigger and better forums for pure cycling, but it's pretty cool so many shaving crazy folks are also bike crazy.

[Steerpike]

You chaps needn't worry about the leg shaving. You don't need to shave your legs to go for a bike ride. Full stop. Nor do you need to wear strange, form fitting clothes, bizarre styrofoam headgear or shoes that attach to the pedals.

However, if you get to the point of racing, you will shave your legs, and you won't question it either. It's an important distinction between racers and casual riders. If you meet a casual rider with shaved legs, chances are he used to race. Nobody worth their salt in road racing has hairy legs.

[Live2Ride]

Way to go, I have yet to ride a century. Just haven't had time to put into the longer rides, but that is still a goal of mine. So far, 70miles is my longest ride.

Thanks! The jump from 70 miles (the actual distance for my 1st metric century) and the 103 miles of my first century was not that great. The key is to eat and drink regularly and ride within yourself - don't try to keep up with a faster group or a friend who's in better shape. Above all - have fun!

In the 19+ centuries and two 12 hour solo races I've ridden, I have experienced almost everything from total exhaustion to ecstasy - but I have never been bored on the bike - way too much great scenery to enjoy.

Of course, I never get tired of the glassy eyed look people get when they learn you rode 100 miles (or so) on a bike in one day. Their eyes glaze over and they mumble something weak like, "That's crazy."

Here are links to a couple of my favorites:

http://www.shastasummitcentury.com/

http://www.deathride.com/

Great views, extremely well supported, and experiences you will not forget.

[Wendy]

Here's one in June for the truely ambitious. Your choice to do it in one or two days.
Seattle to Portland 200-miles (http://www.cascade.org/eandr/STP/)

WOW. I wish I could do that. I could visit family at both ends. What fun. Although I would not be able to walk, or move for that matter.

[Doc4]

WOW. I wish I could do that. I could visit family at both ends. What fun. Although I would not be able to walk, or move for that matter.

... and thus need to be waited on hand and foot. :wink2:

[Wendy]

Is there anyway I can request that treatment without the 200 miles : )

[TimmyBoston]

Is there anyway I can request that treatment without the 200 miles : )

Ride your bike to the movie theatre. Watch a double feature at the movie theatre. Ride your bike home. Tell your husband you just rode 200 miles.

[TimmyBoston]

Do aerobars really make that much of a difference? And if so, can anyone recommend a decent, inexpensive set?

[Steerpike]

Do aerobars really make that much of a difference? And if so, can anyone recommend a decent, inexpensive set?

They do if you are racing in a TT. I wouldn't take them on a group ride though. To use them effectively, you put the saddle up and forward, and preferably use a saddle with a soft nose, as you'll be perched on the tip of it. If you just clip them on and use your regular position they could do more harm than good- you won't be able to breathe properly. You have to basically rotate your position forward around the axis of the bottom bracket. It makes the use of other position on the bike much less comfortable, and compromises handling somewhat.

I use these- cheap, very adjustable and weight comparable to most: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Outland-Clip-on-tri-bars_W0QQitemZ260547185032QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_sp ortsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR?hash=item3ca9d289 88#ht_630wt_941

Because changing it all over was such a palaver every Thursday for our clubs evening TT's, I'm going to do all my TT's on a fixed this year- very traditional in UK time trialling, and will probably make it better training for the road races that are my real objective.

[Doc4]

Is there anyway I can request that treatment without the 200 miles : )

Asking is easy ... it's convincing the others to actually do it for you that requires more ... :001_rolle

[tblech]

I'll get the ball rolling.

I'm starting to ride far enough where my two water bottles won't cut it. There is only one spot on the trail I ride to fill up and it's very near the beginning. Any recommendations on ways to carry more water on a road bike besides to the two slots for water bottles?

There are drinking fountains on the Monon trail if memory serves, you could plan your route accordingly to take advantage of these...

[Wendy]

Asking is easy ... it's convincing the others to actually do it for you that requires more ... :001_rolle

Heck I guess I should just be happy the 2 times a week someone else unloads the dishwasher huh? :blink:

[Doc4]

I took my bike in to the bike shop today for its annual pre-season lube & tune up ... cycling season is not that far away ... anticipation builds ... :laugh:


Heck I guess I should just be happy the 2 times a week someone else unloads the dishwasher huh? :blink:

:001_rolle Is the glass half full or the dishwasher half empty?

[Wendy]

I took my bike in to the bike shop today for its annual pre-season lube & tune up ... cycling season is not that far away ... anticipation builds ... :laugh:



:001_rolle Is the glass half full or the dishwasher half empty?

:lol::lol: I think this is a trick question.

[bulldog]

I took my bike in to the bike shop today for its annual pre-season lube & tune up ... cycling season is not that far away ... anticipation builds ...

I took my road bike out last Sunday as it got warm and dry enough to ride. I nearly pedaled the left crank right off; something else to fix. This is after getting it ready for the coming season. *sigh*

[bulldog]

I did a 10K indoor TT today. I knew I was in trouble when everyone else in my heat had their racing team jerseys on. Still, what a blast!

[TimmyBoston]

I did a 10K indoor TT today. I knew I was in trouble when everyone else in my heat had their racing team jerseys on. Still, what a blast!

How'd you do?

[bulldog]

17:22, avg mph 21.4, avg watts 272. I probably lost a few second adjusting my ipod. Also, it was my first time doing one of these beasties and probably my last - but I'll probably forget the pain part soon enough.

[Wendy]

I can get my arm about 1 foot to the side of my body or out in front of myself. Anyone think I can make my bike ride I am signed up for this weekend :cursing:

[Wendy]

Bell sweep helmet? Anyone have one? Thoughts?

[Live2Ride]

I can get my arm about 1 foot to the side of my body or out in front of myself. Anyone think I can make my bike ride I am signed up for this weekend :cursing:

Wendy, I wouldn't risk it until you get through the physical therapy and get your range of motion back. If it's a charity ride you're signed up for, you've probably already paid, so the money is going to a good cause. Summer is coming, lots of riding to do. There will be other days. Maybe go help at one of the rest stops? Get well soon!

[Wendy]

I know I should recover first. I have the bug bad and have not desire to be on my trainer.

[TimmyBoston]

I want to convert my old bike to a single speed since the gears/shifters etc are shot. Any advice on doing this? Where to get a kit? Which one? And any other information I'll need to know?

Thanks!!

[SRock]

I want to convert my old bike to a single speed since the gears/shifters etc are shot. Any advice on doing this? Where to get a kit? Which one? And any other information I'll need to know?

Thanks!!

I have an old crappy mountain bike that I considered doing this with. I'll have to follow your updates.

[TimmyBoston]

I've been going through Sheldon Brown's articles on the subject, but I still need more information.

[TimmyBoston]

http://store.trekbikes.com/jump.jsp?itemID=1527&itemType=PRODUCT&path=1,2,442,458&iProductID=1527&bShopOnline=1

Are these kind of tires worth purchasing?

I HATE changing flats. I nearly always do it wrong and it takes me about 4 days.

[azmark]

http://store.trekbikes.com/jump.jsp?itemID=1527&itemType=PRODUCT&path=1,2,442,458&iProductID=1527&bShopOnline=1

Are these kind of tires worth purchasing?

I HATE changing flats. I nearly always do it wrong and it takes me about 4 days.

I always loved Continental tires for training, Clinchers 4000. Changing a flat isn't going to get any easier between tires. It is easier if you go to tubular but it is quite an investment.

You should just practice changing it because one day it's going to be the hottest day of the year and you're going to get stuck and really be hating it. Practice on the rear.

[azmark]

Bell sweep helmet? Anyone have one? Thoughts?

As long as it compliments your attire, it's all good!:001_smile

[wilsonent]

http://store.trekbikes.com/jump.jsp?itemID=1527&itemType=PRODUCT&path=1,2,442,458&iProductID=1527&bShopOnline=1

Are these kind of tires worth purchasing?

I HATE changing flats. I nearly always do it wrong and it takes me about 4 days.

Vredestein man myself

[Wendy]

Okay I am new tho the road bike thing. Is it normal to have elbow pain from the stretch? I did have someone fit my bike to me but I am unsure if that really means anything or not. He spent a great deal of time. I am not sure if maybe my handle bars need to be tilted up a bit or if it is just getting used to it. Or possibly shoulder surgery hindering me. Any suggestions?

[azmark]

Okay I am new tho the road bike thing. Is it normal to have elbow pain from the stretch? I did have someone fit my bike to me but I am unsure if that really means anything or not. He spent a great deal of time. I am not sure if maybe my handle bars need to be tilted up a bit or if it is just getting used to it. Or possibly shoulder surgery hindering me. Any suggestions?

You're resting your weight forward too much and I'm sure injury isn't helping. Efficiency is the key to cycling correctly. Try to imagine your body centered over your crank when you ride normally. And if you're climbing, sit back in the saddle and transfer your weight to the rear wheel.

[Wendy]

Thanks, I will try to be aware of how I am positioned. I am on quite large hills.

[azmark]

Thanks, I will try to be aware of how I am positioned. I am on quite large hills.

You'll notice quite a difference since you'll be using a different muscle group.

[TimmyBoston]

Thanks, I will try to be aware of how I am positioned. I am on quite large hills.

Wendy, how are you liking your road bike compared to your hybrid?

[C Reed]

I want to convert my old bike to a single speed since the gears/shifters etc are shot. Any advice on doing this? Where to get a kit? Which one? And any other information I'll need to know?

Thanks!!

First thing you need to do is look at the rear drop outs you need ones that have some room to move the wheel back and forth, not the ones that go straight up and down. If you have the newer straight up and down kind, just give up, trust me.

List of questions you need to anwser (kind of in order)
Why am I doing this?
What Kind Of Drop Outs Do I Have?
Is My Cassette Splined, or Screw on? If Splined Campy, or Shrimano, or SRAM?
Whats my chain line, can I make it straight?
Gearing?

any other track bike riders out there?

[Wendy]

I am going to ride today. No testing your advice out today though I will have my 2yr old with me and I will be on my fitness bike, not on the road. Hopefullly I can get a good ride in tomorrow. My husband is off and he can hang with the kiddos.

[Wendy]

Wendy, how are you liking your road bike compared to your hybrid?

What a night and day difference. I am struggling a bit with the reach. I think it has more to do with my shoulder surgeries. My right shoulder is anchored down. Whatever that means :confused1. My left which I though was a bit better is apparently just as bad. 14 cross stitches to hold the rotator cuff itself intact, 3 of the 4 tendons were torn and reattaching the Labrum to the bone, not to mention the biceps being torn on both sides. I think after a few more rides I need to make some more adjustments and I will be good to go to go. I am not confident enough to ride on pavement that has gravel and stones that you can not see with a car flying by.

I have been riding the fitness bike more in the am since it is pitch black out and I do not mind trailering it to the trail. I refuse to put my Bianchi on a rack so I have to ride from the house on the road in rush hour on winding hills. I love the ride a lot better on the road but the streets are in bad shape and I can not see a darn thing, not to mention I get way to cold at 5:45am. A few days ago my brother picked me up and we trailered our bikes. I got so darn cold when we got back to the car I thought I had a hold of my bike and dropped it, my hands were so numb. :cursing:

[Wendy]

One more thing I LOVE the campy components.

[azmark]

One more thing I LOVE the campy components.

I have Record on my machines. They are truly a masterpiece:thumbup1:

Dura Ace isn't far behind but Sram has a great set that has a lot of buzz

[C Reed]

I have Record on my machines. They are truly a masterpiece:thumbup1:

Dura Ace isn't far behind but Sram has a great set that has a lot of buzz

Campy for vintage steel, SRAM for carbon. Fact.

[drøn]

Campy for vintage steel, SRAM for carbon. Fact.

shimano 600 is one of my groupsets of choice.
600 arabesque for vintage and 600 ultegra tricolore for the early nineties ride:thumbup1:

[azmark]

Campy for vintage steel, SRAM for carbon. Fact.

I just noticed there is a Super Record now. Oh man!

[Wendy]

I now can appreciate the price increase for good components. I am real happy I bucked up the extra money on my bike for better components. My hubby's bike is the exact same but different components and boy it sure makes a heck of a difference.

[azmark]

I now can appreciate the price increase for good components. I am real happy I bucked up the extra money on my bike for better components. My hubby's bike is the exact same but different components and boy it sure makes a heck of a difference.

It makes a huge difference in shifting, especially when climbing and having to switch gears.

[Wendy]

Okay gents, what am I doing wrong? I keep locking up my gears. I am not sure if I am just doing something wrong or just trying to shift between small and large ring way too fast. I have locked up my bike going uphill 3 times this week. Maybe I am trigger happy.

[C Reed]

I just noticed there is a Super Record now. Oh man!

Its an amazing groupo, if I still raced on the road I would be seriously considering it.

[C Reed]

Okay gents, what am I doing wrong? I keep locking up my gears. I am not sure if I am just doing something wrong or just trying to shift between small and large ring way too fast. I have locked up my bike going uphill 3 times this week. Maybe I am trigger happy.

can you discribe what you mean by "locking up" is it not shifting, is the chain jumping or jaming? and give me a quick rundown of the componates and how old they are.

1st step is allways clean every thing and re oil, see it that works.

[Wendy]

can you discribe what you mean by "locking up" is it not shifting, is the chain jumping or jaming? and give me a quick rundown of the componates and how old they are.

1st step is allways clean every thing and re oil, see it that works.


Here is the bike:

Model Road "C2C" VIA NIRONE 7 Alu Carbon Veloce Mix 10sp Compact
Code Y9B31
Color Celeste w/ Black
Sizes 55
Frame VIA NIRONE 7 ALU/CARBON
Fork Bianchi K-VID Carbon w/alu steerer - 1-1/8"
Headset FSA ZS4-CUSTOM
Shifters Campagnolo VELOCE
Rear Derailleur Campagnolo VELOCE
Front Derailleur Campagnolo MIRAGE
Crankset FSA GOSSAMER MegaExo Compact 50/34
Chain KMC DX10SC
Sprocket Campagnolo VELOCE 10sp 12/25
Brakes Campagnolo VELOCE
Brake Lever integrated
Rear Hub FAC Michelin RACING 28H
Front Hub FAC Michelin RACING 28H

The chain is jamming, will not shift. Day before yesterday I was trying to shift gears and the chain came off after it locked up on me. I bought this brand new in December. I had it sitting for a couple months until I healed from surgery. I just started riding it regularly a few weeks ago. I am not riding everyday some days my shoulders will not allow me too but when I do ride I am riding 18-20 a day. So very minimal miles on bike. Less than 400. Does this maybe just need fine tuned?

[C Reed]

its jamming in the rear right? sounds like you need a deraliur load adjustment.

check the cabel tension (it should not be sagging or super tight) and if its good you will see two screws on your derilier they will either be marked with an "H" and "L" or "+" and "-" they are the load screws and fine tune exactly how far the arm swings, the H/+ being the upper limit and the L/- being the lower.

Read this: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/derailer-adjustment.html and this: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gears.html

You can do it your self or take it to a reliable bike shop.

[Wendy]

its jamming in the rear right? sounds like you need a deraliur load adjustment.

check the cabel tension (it should not be sagging or super tight) and if its good you will see two screws on your derilier they will either be marked with an "H" and "L" or "+" and "-" they are the load screws and fine tune exactly how far the arm swings, the H/+ being the upper limit and the L/- being the lower.

Read this: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/derailer-adjustment.html and this: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gears.html

You can do it your self or take it to a reliable bike shop.

Heck I will take it in. That was the last requirement I had for the owner of the shop I bought it from, that deal got him 2 bike sales that day. :wink2: Thanks for the links. I will at least educated myself.

[TimmyBoston]

Heck I will take it in. That was the last requirement I had for the owner of the shop I bought it from, that deal got him 2 bike sales that day. :wink2: Thanks for the links. I will at least educated myself.

Since your bike is so new, it may still have a warranty, etc. My LBS offers free tune ups for a year.

[C Reed]

Since your bike is so new, it may still have a warranty, etc. My LBS offers free tune ups for a year.

This has been the policy of every one of the bike shops I have worked at and I've worked at a fair few from corperate types to mom and pop.

[azmark]

Good points. :thumbup:

Also, you have to know what gear is going to be even get to the climb. It's like before any race I would take a tour of the terrain to know where I plan on being and at what speed. 12-25 cassette are the all around mix and is meant for some pretty good climbing so if you hit your climb at too low of cadence you are going to have problems of the chain slipping to far or even getting caught.

If your cadence is too high or too low you are going to have problems. Practice standing for a few strokes to get your cadence to where it needs to be before shifting. Also shift on the cassette first before going down from your big ring to your small ring.


its jamming in the rear right? sounds like you need a deraliur load adjustment.

check the cabel tension (it should not be sagging or super tight) and if its good you will see two screws on your derilier they will either be marked with an "H" and "L" or "+" and "-" they are the load screws and fine tune exactly how far the arm swings, the H/+ being the upper limit and the L/- being the lower.

Read this: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/derailer-adjustment.html and this: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gears.html

You can do it your self or take it to a reliable bike shop.

[C Reed]

Today was an amazing day for bike rides! tomorrow I get to work on my girls bike all day. Holla!

[Wendy]

Good points. :thumbup:

Also, you have to know what gear is going to be even get to the climb. It's like before any race I would take a tour of the terrain to know where I plan on being and at what speed. 12-25 cassette are the all around mix and is meant for some pretty good climbing so if you hit your climb at too low of cadence you are going to have problems of the chain slipping to far or even getting caught.

If your cadence is too high or too low you are going to have problems. Practice standing for a few strokes to get your cadence to where it needs to be before shifting. Also shift on the cassette first before going down from your big ring to your small ring.

I am going to ride tomorrow, hopefully a nice long one :thumbup: My chain came off the day before yesterday and I was mad as hell. I had already climbed the hill and had been on flat ground for about 50ft. My Celeste paint is now Celeste with a dash of black. :angry: Thankfully it did not chip off my paint I would have been a little more than upset.

[TimmyBoston]

I am going to ride tomorrow, hopefully a nice long one :thumbup: My chain came off the day before yesterday and I was mad as hell. I had already climbed the hill and had been on flat ground for about 50ft. My Celeste paint is now Celeste with a dash of black. :angry: Thankfully it did not chip off my paint I would have been a little more than upset.

Wendy, I'm far from the expert here, but my bike had a break in period. It took a few hundred miles to really settle in and then I never had an issues with my chain coming off or any gears and my road bike is a lot lower level than yours. It could just take a bit of time. But still take advantage of those free check ups at the LBS, they're free after all. :001_smile

[azmark]

[QUOTE=TimmyBoston;2001063]It took a few hundred miles to really settle in

Oh you better believe cables and chains stretch. New bikes should be checked after a few hundred miles.

[C Reed]

I am going to ride tomorrow, hopefully a nice long one :thumbup: My chain came off the day before yesterday and I was mad as hell. I had already climbed the hill and had been on flat ground for about 50ft. My Celeste paint is now Celeste with a dash of black. :angry: Thankfully it did not chip off my paint I would have been a little more than upset.

I've only ever lost one chain, happened when I jumped a curb on my track bike and I found my self skidding on the pavement not being able to move the pedals or wheel, until I landed on my hip.

Also tomorrow I start working as a volunteer mechanic at a bike co-op I miss simple problems with simple solutions but I hate hippies... I will either be very happy at the end of my shift or I will have forced some one to cut off their dreads... wish me luck.

[azmark]

Also tomorrow I start working as a volunteer mechanic at a bike co-op I miss simple problems with simple solutions but I hate hippies... I will either be very happy at the end of my shift or I will have forced some one to cut off their dreads... wish me luck.

Show them a bar of soap and see them run:001_tongu

[TimmyBoston]

Also tomorrow I start working as a volunteer mechanic at a bike co-op I miss simple problems with simple solutions but I hate hippies... I will either be very happy at the end of my shift or I will have forced some one to cut off their dreads... wish me luck.

Sounds like either one of those is a win to me. :001_smile

[Wendy]

Wendy, I'm far from the expert here, but my bike had a break in period. It took a few hundred miles to really settle in and then I never had an issues with my chain coming off or any gears and my road bike is a lot lower level than yours. It could just take a bit of time. But still take advantage of those free check ups at the LBS, they're free after all. :001_smile

I am hoping that is all it was. I did take it in today and he made some minor adjustments. I did not get to ride that bike today since I had the kiddos with me. Tomorrow I will give it another shot. If it happens again the LBS said they would start from scratch and get it right.

[TimmyBoston]

I am hoping that is all it was. I did take it in today and he made some minor adjustments. I did not get to ride that bike today since I had the kiddos with me. Tomorrow I will give it another shot. If it happens again the LBS said they would start from scratch and get it right.

Hope it works out well for you Wendy and soon. :001_smile

[C Reed]

Also tomorrow I start working as a volunteer mechanic at a bike co-op I miss simple problems with simple solutions but I hate hippies... I will either be very happy at the end of my shift or I will have forced some one to cut off their dreads... wish me luck.

It went well, fixed some bikes, no stinky hippies, delt with one stupid french bike and left dirty and feelin good.

[azmark]

with one stupid french bike .....

look?

[Wendy]

My bike is fixed : ) YEAH.

Now for a question. I am curious about century rides. I received a postcard yesterday for a century ride for Leukemia & Lymphoma society. I know I could ride 100 miles on the road if it were not treacherous. Can anyone tell me from experience are these mostly side roads with major hills? The pamphlet shows nothing but people climbing hills. I can do that but no way 100 miles. I was dead Sunday after I completed 40 miles. Only 28-29 of those were hard miles with horrible hills.

[azmark]

My bike is fixed : ) YEAH.

Now for a question. I am curious about century rides. I received a postcard yesterday for a century ride for Leukemia & Lymphoma society. I know I could ride 100 miles on the road if it were not treacherous. Can anyone tell me from experience are these mostly side roads with major hills? The pamphlet shows nothing but people climbing hills. I can do that but no way 100 miles. I was dead Sunday after I completed 40 miles. Only 28-29 of those were hard miles with horrible hills.

It depends on what ride you would do. I did a ride with my wife a few years ago and it was undulating, nothing major. Personally I'd rather be climbing my rear off:001_tt2:.

Check out Competitor (http://competitor.com/). They have major races listed and some throughout the country where you can find a race near by.

[C Reed]

My bike is fixed : ) YEAH.

Now for a question. I am curious about century rides. I received a postcard yesterday for a century ride for Leukemia & Lymphoma society. I know I could ride 100 miles on the road if it were not treacherous. Can anyone tell me from experience are these mostly side roads with major hills? The pamphlet shows nothing but people climbing hills. I can do that but no way 100 miles. I was dead Sunday after I completed 40 miles. Only 28-29 of those were hard miles with horrible hills.

If your bike fits and your in shape distance shouldn't be a problem, speed and climbs on the other hand, those wear you down.

I've done a few centuries and they do vary greatly in difficulty, you should definitely expect at least one or two hard climbs and a few rolling hills, more if you live in a mountainous area. Around 30+ miles of climbing sounds right for a century.

If your not sure you can ride it, try a test ride of the rout with some one with a car near by so if you bonk you can get driven back.

Like all things on the bike the only way to know is to load up on your slow carbs, slip on your kit, jump in the saddle and ride it hard as you can and sprint for the finish like there is a pack of dogs on your heels.

When you go for it just find a pack that fits your pace and ability, get on some ones wheel and share the work, if your tired hold the back of the pack up the climbs. Riding alone is always harder then with a group so if you get dropped by your pack slow it up and catch the next one.

[azmark]

And flat rides blow. Using the same muscle group is more painful and boring. Find races with hills because you can recover on the way down. Climbing is an art that needs practice as well as fitness.

Sit back in the saddle. Stick with 12-25 cassettes. Keep knees as close together as possible. Don't sway or rock on the saddle. And most importantly is to keep a straight line, you waste more energy if yous start veering off course and then become inefficient.

[Live2Ride]

My bike is fixed : ) YEAH.

Now for a question. I am curious about century rides. I received a postcard yesterday for a century ride for Leukemia & Lymphoma society. I know I could ride 100 miles on the road if it were not treacherous. Can anyone tell me from experience are these mostly side roads with major hills? The pamphlet shows nothing but people climbing hills. I can do that but no way 100 miles. I was dead Sunday after I completed 40 miles. Only 28-29 of those were hard miles with horrible hills.

I love century rides: the challenge, scenery, travel, riding alone or with groups, meeting people along the way - it makes for a great day. Until you do it, you don't know if you can. Finishing a century is a huge rush. On a particularly difficult one a friend asked, "What are you going to do alone for 14 hours?" To which I replied, "Embrace my insanity." So, you know, take the following with a few grains of salt...

Okay, to your questions: Each organized century should have a ride profile on it's site or pamplet. You can look at the map and match it up to Google Earth to check elevation gain too. I've been on centuries that were mostly side roads and a favorite that they close highways for. Since century rides tend to be loops or out and backs, any hills you climb mean descents later.

Go to Bicycling Mag or website (I'm getting that deja vu feeling) and check out their century training plan. Follow it, and in 10-16 weeks you'll be ready (depending on your base fitness level). Good luck!

[Wendy]

I guess I need more info on the particular ride I am looking at. It is in September. I do not want to be on flat ground by any means but I can not climb 50 miles either. Heck I need to get a real seat I like on my bike before I can add distance. My tail hurts.

[C Reed]

I guess I need more info on the particular ride I am looking at. It is in September. I do not want to be on flat ground by any means but I can not climb 50 miles either. Heck I need to get a real seat I like on my bike before I can add distance. My tail hurts.

You should be more then ready by september with reasonable training.

If any part of your bike is hurting you after 40ish miles you want to fix that before you go out for 100ish or you will not be in for a fun time. I remember my first century, pain started around 50 miles at the meeting of my body and saddle, my bits went numb around the 60 mile mark, when I finished I was really relived not to find any blood in my bib shorts.

[Wendy]

I tried to really pay attention today on my route. I think I am safe saying that 45-50% of the ride is hills. So I guess 40-50% hills would not be too bad. But I could not do my route 5 times in the shape I am in now. I definitely need time.

[azmark]

I tried to really pay attention today on my route. I think I am safe saying that 45-50% of the ride is hills. So I guess 40-50% hills would not be too bad. But I could not do my route 5 times in the shape I am in now. I definitely need time.

One thing I always suggest to anyone doing any kind of cycling, triathlons, swimming or running is to have their lactic acid and heart rate tested. You can really make improvements on your training when one knows where their limits are. Just because your legs begin to burn doesn't mean that you can not continue.

Keep working at it and you'll be flying over hills.