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FreezerBurns
07-21-2009, 08:32 PM
Folks, does traditional golf course etiquette apply to public courses anymore? I grew up playing golf, even competitively on my high school team. Where I live now, my porch overlooks a public golf course and since I've lived here, I've witnessed the following:

1. Dudes golfing wearing no shirt and athletic shorts.
2. People driving their cart across the green.
3. People taking practice swings in the trap before hitting their ball to the next fairway over (the hole they were playing at that time) and then failing to wrake the trap after that.
4. A father golfing with his young children in the middle of a lightning storm.
5. People walking their dog on the golf course allowing their pet to defficate on the green and then leave without cleaning it up.
6. Just today, a fellow instead of walking or using a cart was using a mountain bike as golf course transportation (of course riding across the green).

Anyway, am I out of the loop? Is etiquette is no longer necessary on public courses?

Chicken Enchilada
07-21-2009, 08:38 PM
Wow! Sounds bad. I can't say I've ever witnessed anything like what you've seen. None of that would ever happen on my local course.

Shane
07-21-2009, 08:43 PM
Wow! Sounds bad. I can't say I've ever witnessed anything like what you've seen. None of that would ever happen on my local course.
+1 I'd take measures with the management to have them told to leave. Around here, they'd be told never to come back.

mmack66
07-21-2009, 08:44 PM
+1 I'd take measures with the management to have them told to leave. Around here, they'd be told never to come back.

+2. Camera time.

TimmyBoston
07-21-2009, 08:45 PM
I would call and complain to the course every time you saw any of this.

HankG
07-21-2009, 08:45 PM
http://www.lilligren.com/Redneck/images/redneck_golf_cart_2.jpg

Yeeeeehaw!

ClubmanRob
07-21-2009, 08:46 PM
Sounds par for the course. :biggrin:

I don't play golf much. I pretend to caddy for my friends that like the game though. I notice public courses attract the type of behavior that you describe much more regularly than any of the private courses I've been to. We actually walked off the course one day when a bunch of drunken servicemen set fire to a bush. Not kidding. They thought it would be funny to set fire to a bush and run away. These weren't kids fresh out of Basic either. Public courses are like Second-Run theaters/dollar movie houses- they may be nice, but you have to put up with the other people that go there.

mmack66
07-21-2009, 08:53 PM
Sounds par for the course. :biggrin:

I don't play golf much. I pretend to caddy for my friends that like the game though. I notice public courses attract the type of behavior that you describe much more regularly than any of the private courses I've been to. We actually walked off the course one day when a bunch of drunken servicemen set fire to a bush. Not kidding. They thought it would be funny to set fire to a bush and run away. These weren't kids fresh out of Basic either. Public courses are like Second-Run theaters/dollar movie houses- they may be nice, but you have to put up with the other people that go there.

I haven't been golfing for a while, but when I did, it was at public courses, and I never witnessed any of this behavior occurring. If this is now frequent behavior, I guess I haven't missed much.

gollum83
07-21-2009, 09:49 PM
Number four is etiquette related? Sounds more like a lack of common sense. "Hey, son! Let's play golf during a thunderstorm!" :out:

nikkuchan
07-22-2009, 12:30 AM
When I played golf I was so concerned about being a bother to others that if anyone was behind me I'd wait for them to play through before continuing. I fixed my divits and raked my traps. I never saw anything worse than some people just being loud.

I did swing my club at a tree during a particularly bad game once, but I apologized to the tree.

gone down south
07-22-2009, 04:19 AM
How much were the greens fees at said public course? That sounds like a cheapo "locals" course, where the rules are a little slacker. I go to a couple courses like that when I just want to hack around and get a few holes in for cheap. Dudes in jean shorts, kids smoking weed in the bushes, neighbors using the fairways to walk their dogs, for $25 I'm not complaining.

mutedsound
07-22-2009, 04:34 AM
I've got to admit...the one city owned course here I would expect to see all of that and more. The other public courses not so much. But for any other public course around here I havent had much issue with anything like this.

FreezerBurns
07-22-2009, 07:14 AM
Number four is etiquette related? Sounds more like a lack of common sense. "Hey, son! Let's play golf during a thunderstorm!" :out:

You're right, I guess I shouldn't confuse the two (golf etiquette and common sense). Anyway, as far as I know they avoided having a "shocking experience" that day, if you will. :w00t:

ClubmanRob
07-22-2009, 07:22 AM
I haven't been golfing for a while, but when I did, it was at public courses, and I never witnessed any of this behavior occurring. If this is now frequent behavior, I guess I haven't missed much.

I think demographics have a lot to do with it too. Putt-Putt doesn't allow drinking, so these guys have to go somewhere. :biggrin:

It's not just younger guys either. I see a lot of retirees hitting the greens with Budweiser T-shirts, black socks/sandals, and sweatpants. That's something you wouldn't see at a private course. Something's amiss if I am overdressed for the occasion. :bored:

Jethro1984
07-22-2009, 07:32 AM
I played college golf for 2 years and it really bring out the true meaning of the game.

That being said, now, when I play, I play on public courses and have witnessed a few....but not all.....of the actions you mentioned. It really is despicable. Dishonoring the game.

There was actually an article in today's South Florida Sun-Sentinel about the heavy increase in the use of golf carts in South Florida. I actually enjoy walking but it seems all of my friends (none of whom EVER played REAL golf (competitive)) ever want to walk.

professorchaos
07-22-2009, 07:34 AM
Does any sort of etiquette apply anywhere public anymore? Some days, depending on where I am, I feel like I live among devolved savages.

Tanksfurnutin
07-22-2009, 07:43 AM
I play on a County owned course that I only pay $27 for greens fee and have not seen any of what you describe. Granted I usually play first thing in the morning (off by 6 AM) so it is usually only us hardcore golfers at that hour. I would definitely be complaining and if that gets you nowhere I would play somewhere else.

I did yell at a couple of kids for trying to hit a swan with tee shots at the range the other day.

SpyvSpy
07-22-2009, 07:47 AM
Geez you would think people wouldn't do that kind of crap. Golf is a gentlemans sport but not everyone agrees so it looks.

tblech
07-22-2009, 08:01 AM
It is hard to compare a public course to Bushwood County Club without Judge Smails there to demand that every impropriety be admonished, yet I understand where you’re coming from. This isn't the public course with trailer court vistas either, I would assume. I've noticed things of question around public courses but nothing as bad as what you have described, although when I was last playing I did see several people walking on the course with animals. Where I work we have a guy that loves to play golf, he is a fanatic. Grew up in the Atlanta area and is the beer is wine type complete with chew wad. I have always envisioned him in cut off shorts, button down shirt, completely open with sleeves ripped off, and 9' lineman's boots playing golf while trailing a trailer for the beer...:thumbup1:

Monkeydad
07-22-2009, 08:02 AM
Wow! Sounds bad. I can't say I've ever witnessed anything like what you've seen. None of that would ever happen on my local course.

Same here. My local course will have employees running from the offices if you even turn the cart towards the fairway, threatening to ban you from the course. :lol:

kzoo1
07-22-2009, 08:06 AM
Unfortunately, what you have/are witnessing is a sign of the times. It's not just the golf course, but all of daily life.

I have a theory on why this is happening to our society:

Way back in the first half of the 20th Century, people who worked together, tended to live in the same area as their coworkers. People would get together after work, on weekend, holidays, and special occasions. Everyone on the street knew everyone else, they knew each other's kids, pets, cocktail preferences, etc. This close association kept people civil with each other, especially when you might depend on your neighbor for you job, or you provided your neighbor a business service. You had to look your neighbor in the eye.

As our society started spreading out, in the later half of last century, it became more common for coworkers to be spread out all over a given region, you no longer had to interact with your neighbor. It is not that uncommon today to not know the people on your street. Get up in the morning, hop in the car, work all day, drive home, head to the back yard and not even see a neighbor, let alone interact with them.

This, I think is one of the factors that has led to the incivility we see today, no interaction with each other, we don't depend on our neighbors like we used to, and we don't have to look each other in the eye.

Sorry for the rambling...my wife and I have been discussing this incivility lately and I have been working on some theories as to why society has devolved the way it has...

Monkeydad
07-22-2009, 08:09 AM
Unfortunately, what you have/are witnessing is a sign of the times. It's not just the golf course, but all of daily life.

I have a theory on why this is happening to our society:

Way back in the first half of the 20th Century, people who worked together, tended to live in the same area as their coworkers. People would get together after work, on weekend, holidays, and special occasions. Everyone on the street knew everyone else, they knew each other's kids, pets, cocktail preferences, etc. This close association kept people civil with each other, especially when you might depend on your neighbor for you job, or you provided your neighbor a business service. You had to look your neighbor in the eye.

As our society started spreading out, in the later half of last century, it became more common for coworkers to be spread out all over a given region, you no longer had to interact with your neighbor. It is not that uncommon today to not know the people on your street. Get up in the morning, hop in the car, work all day, drive home, head to the back yard and not even see a neighbor, let alone interact with them.

This, I think is one of the factors that has led to the incivility we see today, no interaction with each other, we don't depend on our neighbors like we used to, and we don't have to look each other in the eye.

Sorry for the rambling...my wife and I have been discussing this incivility lately and I have been working on some theories as to why society has devolved the way it has...

Cliff notes: Obama's fault. :lol:

Walter Sobchak
07-22-2009, 08:15 AM
I've been a lifelong golfer. When I was a kid I didn't have much money, but there was a local course where the owner would let me pay PEANUTS (like $50 to $75, I can't remember) for unlimited golf all year long. He let me have that cheap rate all the way up until I went to college. He gave me some tips and he instructed me on the etiquette of the game. I've always had a reverence for that etiquette and it's particularly discouraging to see the antics that take place on today's course.

There have always been folks who just go out and hack around for fun and haven't learned or been instructed the rules and etiquette, and I completely respect that. However, it's become far more widespread since the arrival of Tiger on the scene. Tiger's done a lot for golf, but it's been a drag that he has lured so many Happy Gilmores out to the fairways. Many public courses have started putting small signs at tee boxes with little 'etiquette tips' and/or 'rules tips'. I think it's a great idea. There will always be jerks who don't care, but I think many people just don't understand or haven't been properly informed of the art of the behavior associated with the game.

Monkeydad
07-22-2009, 08:26 AM
I've been a lifelong golfer. When I was a kid I didn't have much money, but there was a local course where the owner would let me pay PEANUTS (like $50 to $75, I can't remember) for unlimited golf all year long. He let me have that cheap rate all the way up until I went to college. He gave me some tips and he instructed me on the etiquette of the game. I've always had a reverence for that etiquette and it's particularly discouraging to see the antics that take place on today's course.

There have always been folks who just go out and hack around for fun and haven't learned or been instructed the rules and etiquette, and I completely respect that. However, it's become far more widespread since the arrival of Tiger on the scene. Tiger's done a lot for golf, but it's been a drag that he has lured so many Happy Gilmores out to the fairways. Many public courses have started putting small signs at tee boxes with little 'etiquette tips' and/or 'rules tips'. I think it's a great idea. There will always be jerks who don't care, but I think many people just don't understand or haven't been properly informed of the art of the behavior associated with the game.

You have a point with Tiger's popularity and the new fans he's brought to the game. For proof, all you have to do is watch a tourney on TV and listen for the morons yelling "IN THE HOOOOOOOOOOLE!" as soon as Tiger hits the ball.

FreezerBurns
07-22-2009, 08:39 AM
... Many public courses have started putting small signs at tee boxes with little 'etiquette tips' and/or 'rules tips'. I think it's a great idea. There will always be jerks who don't care, but I think many people just don't understand or haven't been properly informed of the art of the behavior associated with the game.

That is a good idea, I haven't seen that yet. Along those same lines, I think it would be a good idea to dedicate space on scorecards for a list of tips.

Edit: Whether or not people would actually follow the tips is another matter.

ClubmanRob
07-22-2009, 08:42 AM
That is a good idea, I haven't seen that yet. Along those same lines, I think it would be a good idea to dedicate space on scorecards for a list of tips.


Just like Putt Putt! :lol:

FreezerBurns
07-22-2009, 09:11 AM
Just like Putt Putt! :lol:

Hahaha! :lol: :lol: :lol: ...that's sad.

_JP_
07-22-2009, 09:13 AM
The dog walkers could actually be prosecuted on two violations: Not picking up after their dog, and also trespass because they did not pay the green fee.

The other stuff is mostly a matter of education. There was a time when the expected behaviors from someone on the golf courses was passed along by the experienced players in the group. That doesn't appear to be happening now.

Slartibartfast
07-22-2009, 09:22 AM
I play once or twice a week. I have never seen any of this.

Even at the "cheap" or "backwoods" coarses i play sometimes, there is still a greenskeeper busting his ass to keep the coarse in best shape possible.

English
07-22-2009, 09:37 AM
It is a matter of neighbourliness, civility, courteousness and etiquette.
Its about education and upbringing. It's also about getting a clip round the ear when you don't get the message.

But nobody educates the uneducated and nobody gives you a clip round the ear any more because the offender has his rights.
The sandal wearers are winning and the streets are covered in litter and graffiti.

Unfortunately, you are just seeing on the golf course the type of behaviour that has become commonplace in todays society. If it's not in a town near you yet, believe me its on the way.

The truth is, most of us are at work all day and just don't get to see the way life has become and the younger generation does not always have the same priorities as the one you were brought up to respect.

Sad.

kwk285
07-22-2009, 10:07 AM
I grew up playing country club golf. There was a dress code, golf shirt and long slacks. No shorts and jeans were allowed. To this day 30+ years later I wear that on the course.

Shoes- Tennis shoes or golf shoes only. No flip flops, sandals, or bare feet.

On course etiquette- Fix ball marks, fix divots, no talking/moving while others are swinging. Booze is for the 19th hole. No yelling across the course unless you are yelling Fore.

Over the years I have seen a lowering of standards at the different courses. I think this is due to the Tigerization for the game. Tiger is the best golfer of the last decade. He has brought a lot of money any excitement to the game. He has also brought a lot of new fans to the game. Their views of the game aren't as traditional as mine. That is their right.


I just choose to play at courses that keep the standards at the levels that I like and I play with a group of guys that hold similar views to mine.

FreezerBurns
07-22-2009, 11:21 AM
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The other stuff is mostly a matter of education. There was a time when the expected behaviors from someone on the golf courses was passed along by the experienced players in the group. That doesn't appear to be happening now.

That's probably accurate. A shame too because (at least for me), golf etiquette is part of and enhances the whole golfing experience.

scooby074
07-22-2009, 11:52 AM
Are there no marshals on this course?

My old course had 2. They traveled around on golf carts. Sat on the service paths like police looking for speeders :biggrin: Any stunts like the ones mentioned in this tread would have got you a warning first, then would get you tossed if you didnt heed.

They also kept the play moving along, by getting faster groups to play through. Although most people had the proper etiquette to let faster groups through on their own.

Kratos
07-22-2009, 12:05 PM
It's not just golf, as has been mentioned. People just don't seem to know how to conduct themselves anymore. People barely know their neighbors these days. I think it's a mix of the general decline in manners, and the expansion of the fan base from Tiger. A lot of people jumping onto the courses without a clue.

Walter Sobchak
07-22-2009, 12:27 PM
Marshals, shmarshals, I think we need to get Ouch out there with a Shillelagh!:biggrin:

Fnord5
07-22-2009, 12:39 PM
How about just drive a couple of balls at the offenders with one of your woods?:tongue_sm

Commander Quan
07-22-2009, 12:42 PM
The worst I have seen was on a busy Sunday afternoon. There was a group of 5 guys who all must have decided to go golfing for the first time in their lives that afternoon. Most of them where wearing sleeveless undershirts, and they looked like a bunch of Shriners in a parade driving their carts all over the place looking for their balls.

BEAR DEN
07-22-2009, 01:46 PM
I live in a very layed back area and I have been playing golf for 2 years now...I have never witnessed anything close to what you have described. I would complain to management and or take your business other places.

ClubmanRob
07-22-2009, 01:56 PM
The dog walkers could actually be prosecuted on two violations: Not picking up after their dog, and also trespass because they did not pay the green fee.



Now, I realize we're talking about pay-to-play public courses, but what about private/public courses such as neighborhood courses that are open to everyone in the subdivision and their guests? They may as well change the name of neighborhood courses to "dog park and teenage dope spot". In my experience the neighborhood courses are one step below public courses. They usually don't have an attendant on duty except on the weekends, and people (especially if it's anywhere near "ritzy" a neighborhood) feel it is their right, and their sworn duty, to let their dogs crap everywhere on the greens. Teens feel it's their own personal stomping ground, and don't get me started on the people that actually play there!

RazorDingo
07-22-2009, 03:42 PM
Blaming Tiger Woods for this? Come on, people.

There is one group of people you can blame for the incidents described in the first post: The management of the course.

It is up to the the people working in the pro. shop etc. to set and enforce clothing regulations. They also need to have rangers or other course personnel out making sure that joggers, bike riders, and dog walkers aren't allowed to freely wander over the course. And when there is a danger of lighting, there should be an audible siren - as well as designated places to take shelter.

I can only speculate as to why the management of this public golf course allows this sort of behavior to take place. Maybe the course receives funding from the municipality, and has had its budget cut. Whatever the reason, you should bring these violations to their attention, and demand that they address the problems.

garyg
07-22-2009, 04:20 PM
+1 on that - Tiger hasn't to my knowledge shown up drunk, wearing a T - shirt, driven on a green with the cart .. i have played golf for just about 50 years now, and have seen inconsiderate oafs during every decade .. but there do seem to be more of them now .. maybe the general dumbing down of our society, if you can read this & watch Reality TV .. go back 15 words.

professorchaos
07-22-2009, 04:58 PM
Over the years I have seen a lowering of standards at the different courses. I think this is due to the Tigerization for the game. Tiger is the best golfer of the last decade. He has brought a lot of money any excitement to the game. He has also brought a lot of new fans to the game. Their views of the game aren't as traditional as mine. That is their right.


I agree and would add that hollow back irons and enormous, easy to hit drivers have opened the game up to many players. How many would continue to play had they started with old school designs like Hogan Apex irons and real woods?

FreezerBurns
07-22-2009, 08:00 PM
I don't think anyone is blaming Tiger Woods himself for anything... From what I understand, they're blaming consumer driven companies and media for using Tiger's celebrity to commercialize the sport of golf in an effort to make money. Gentleman please correct me if I'm inaccurate when I summarize it this way: Folks see TV commercials, buy a few products endorsed by Tiger, head to the nearest course and are suddenly golfers.

ClubmanRob
07-22-2009, 08:12 PM
I don't think anyone is blaming Tiger Woods himself for anything... From what I understand, they're blaming consumer driven companies and media for using Tiger's celebrity to commercialize the sport of golf in an effort to make money. Gentleman please correct me if I'm inaccurate when I summarize it this way: Folks see TV commercials, buy a few products endorsed by Tiger, head to the nearest course and are suddenly golfers.

Same as the folks who buy Rock Band or Guitar Hero and are now suddenly "musicians".

mmack66
07-22-2009, 08:17 PM
I don't think anyone is blaming Tiger Woods himself for anything... From what I understand, they're blaming consumer driven companies and media for using Tiger's celebrity to commercialize the sport of golf in an effort to make money. Gentleman please correct me if I'm inaccurate when I summarize it this way: Folks see TV commercials, buy a few products endorsed by Tiger, head to the nearest course and are suddenly golfers.

The only Tiger Woods advertisements I ever see are for Buicks and Fusions.

FLTiger
07-22-2009, 08:21 PM
Number four is etiquette related? Sounds more like a lack of common sense. "Hey, son! Let's play golf during a thunderstorm!" :out:


I'd keep playing. I don't think the heavy stuff's gonna come down for quite a while.

:lol::lol::lol:

FreezerBurns
07-22-2009, 08:22 PM
The only Tiger Woods advertisements I ever see are for Buicks and Fusions.

You must've missed the Nike (who manufactures not only golf shoes and clothes but also clubs and balls) and Gatorade commercials.

mmack66
07-22-2009, 08:28 PM
You must've missed the Nike (who manufactures not only golf shoes and clothes but also clubs and balls) and Gatorade commercials.

I might have seen them. If I did, they must not have made much of an impression on me. Then again, most advertising doesn't. :biggrin:

FreezerBurns
07-22-2009, 09:12 PM
I might have seen them. If I did, they must not have made much of an impression on me. Then again, most advertising doesn't. :biggrin:

That is in fact quite admirable. If only everyone was like that...

Kratos
07-22-2009, 09:48 PM
Like FreezerBurns and Rob said, it's not Tiger we are blaming. It's just that he's brought a lot more attention to the game as of late. More and more people are getting into it. When I was in school, the notion of a golf team would have been laughable. Not the case now. And as has been pointed out, it's the managements fault for not taking care of their customers on this.

Walter Sobchak
07-22-2009, 09:53 PM
I don't think anyone is blaming Tiger Woods himself for anything... From what I understand, they're blaming consumer driven companies and media for using Tiger's celebrity to commercialize the sport of golf in an effort to make money. Gentleman please correct me if I'm inaccurate when I summarize it this way: Folks see TV commercials, buy a few products endorsed by Tiger, head to the nearest course and are suddenly golfers.

+1
Tiger has been made into a rock star. In the 15 or 16 years that he's been around he has changed the face of the game. He's Jordan, He's Beckham, He's Brady, He's Agassi, and then some. Nike, EA Sports, Gillette, Tag Heuer...you know the tune. He's handsome, has a Swedish model for a wife, he's the best in his sport, and he's unfathomably rich. People want to be like Tiger. He has individually brought millions of new fans to the game of golf.

Many of these new 'fans' get a hankering to play some casual golf and they don't always know what they're doing or how to act when they hit the links. Just like a bunch of people were running around swatting tennis balls willy-nilly in acid washed denim shorts after watching Agassi play a new brand of tennis. Just like millions of kids pretended to play hockey all across America in the winter of 1980. Just like me when I was running around in my sports bra after Brandy Chastain's big splash. Difference is, Tiger is basically a juggernaut. He's no flash in the pan. He's making new fans and he's keeping the ones he's already converted. Lots of these fans are playing golf. Like it or not, they have definitely diluted the etiquette pool. To what extent is debatable, but there is a clear and large jump in greens fees paid between the pre and post Tiger years.

Here are a couple of excerpts from a somewhat dated article, but one which I believe still holds true. Taken from Peter Keating of ESPN The Magazine in 2000. Not sure how apropos they are, but they're interesting nonetheless.

"Tiger Woods is the perfect earner," says Rick Burton, director of the Warsaw Sports Marketing Center at the University of Oregon. "Think of him as the offspring of Arnold Palmer and Michael Jordan."

At the same time, Woods is expanding the horizons of golf -- and the pie available for his own future earnings. He's brought so many new fans to the sport -- ratings for the final round of each of the four majors collectively jumped 56 percent the year he broke the Masters scoring record -- that TV networks are throwing money at the PGA. Prizes now total $3.2 million per event, up 87 percent since 1997. If purses keep rising even near this rate, and it's likely they will, the 125th-ranked money winner on the Tour will be making at least $500,000 within five years (last year's No. 125, Charles Raulerson, earned $327,000). That's one reason, perhaps, that Tiger hasn't engendered too much resentment among PGA players. It's hard to get mad at a guy who's lifting everybody's tax bill.

As for Tiger: Already the PGA's career earnings leader at the age of 24, he's likely to earn an amount that will make almost anyone but Bill Gates' heirs jealous. Just how much green are we talking about? Take a deep breath -- better than $6 billion. And I'm being conservative.

Jethro1984
07-23-2009, 01:46 AM
I agree and would add that hollow back irons and enormous, easy to hit drivers have opened the game up to many players. How many would continue to play had they started with old school designs like Hogan Apex irons and real woods?

I have used those Hogan Apex's. Holy lack of sweet spot Batman...those are HARD to hit clean. They'll teach you about clean contact, that's for sure.

I have a custom fit set of Cleveland TA-2's that I adore. I don't believe they make them anymore.

Monkeydad
07-23-2009, 06:43 AM
The dog walkers could actually be prosecuted on two violations: Not picking up after their dog, and also trespass because they did not pay the green fee.

The other stuff is mostly a matter of education. There was a time when the expected behaviors from someone on the golf courses was passed along by the experienced players in the group. That doesn't appear to be happening now.

Taking a dog to a place where balls will be flying by...BAD idea. My dog would go nuts. I'd never think of walking him at a course.

Monkeydad
07-23-2009, 06:44 AM
The only Tiger Woods advertisements I ever see are for Buicks and Fusions.

That's G.

Monkeydad
07-23-2009, 06:46 AM
The worst I have seen was on a busy Sunday afternoon. There was a group of 5 guys who all must have decided to go golfing for the first time in their lives that afternoon. Most of them where wearing sleeveless undershirts, and they looked like a bunch of Shriners in a parade driving their carts all over the place looking for their balls.

I can admit I'm not the greatest golfer in the world. I usually play with my wife's father and uncle and we never keep score.

When a group who can actually play comes up behind us, we let them play though and past us so we don't hold them up with our triple and quadruple bogeys.

strat1117
07-23-2009, 02:26 PM
None of that would fly on any of the decent public courses around here. Of course, we just had the US Open at my local links.

:cool2:

kwk285
07-23-2009, 03:03 PM
There are fewer and fewer people like me that take a traditional view of playing golf.

For me to be able to keep playing I need to have more people pick up the game. If there are not enough golfers out there, courses will have to close down.

I have been playing with the same group of guys for the last 10 years. We all prefer a quick round of golf( Meaning less than 4 hours). We tee off at 6 AM every Saturday. When I have played rounds late morning or early afternoon, that is when I am with groups that take a more casual view on etiquette and attire. It takes away from my enjoyment so I choice to rarely play at those times.

Walter Sobchak
07-23-2009, 06:30 PM
There are fewer and fewer people like me that take a traditional view of playing golf.

For me to be able to keep playing I need to have more people pick up the game. If there are not enough golfers out there, courses will have to close down.

I have been playing with the same group of guys for the last 10 years. We all prefer a quick round of golf( Meaning less than 4 hours). We tee off at 6 AM every Saturday. When I have played rounds late morning or early afternoon, that is when I am with groups that take a more casual view on etiquette and attire. It takes away from my enjoyment so I choice to rarely play at those times.

+1

FreezerBurns
07-26-2009, 09:18 PM
I snapped a picture today of said behavior. I'll use this in my email to the course management but I was wondering if it was bad taste to post it here. What do you all say?

mmack66
07-27-2009, 06:04 PM
I snapped a picture today of said behavior. I'll use this in my email to the course management but I was wondering if it was bad taste to post it here. What do you all say?

I don't want to see a picture of some dog dropping a deuce on a green. :biggrin:

Walter Sobchak
07-27-2009, 06:13 PM
I don't want to see a picture of some dog dropping a deuce on a green. :biggrin:

:lol::lol::lol:

gollum83
07-27-2009, 06:30 PM
I don't want to see a picture of some dog dropping a deuce on a green. :biggrin:

Well if you've ever owned a dog, it's not like its something you've never seen before. Well I'll take that back, maybe dropping it out on the course would be new... :lol:

I'm curious though. Did the offending pet's owner clean up after it, FreezerBurns? :huh:

FreezerBurns
07-29-2009, 03:30 PM
Well if you've ever owned a dog, it's not like its something you've never seen before. Well I'll take that back, maybe dropping it out on the course would be new... :lol:

I'm curious though. Did the offending pet's owner clean up after it, FreezerBurns? :huh:

They didn't clean it up at the time... Whether or not they came back later (I'm only outside long enough for a smoke break on the porch) and cleaned it up, I don't know.